How about preventing people from becoming terrorists by e.g. not stealing their oil, not bombing them, not supporting their enemies with weapons, etc...
There has been terrorism since before there was oil, chump. The oil provides the funding, not the reason. So, let me get this straight: we don't bomb anyone, nor do we give anyone support (because everybody's an enemy of somebody). Do you want to go tell the army they can go home now, or can I do it? *chuckle*
Yes... how about not spying outside, but only inside clearly declared malls or other large buildings ?
PSST- You're already on camera in most malls and "other large buildings". In Europe, they have cameras everywhere. Large buildings that are not your house are considered public places. If the owners of that property don't mind surveillance, then you don't have a choice. You live in a dreamworld.
What acts of the US's drove nineteen people to carefully plan their own suicides and mass murder on that scale?
You think those people were "driven" to kill 3000 innocents? They lived here in the States! They watched TV, ate food, and practised their religion freely. They were not driven by anything we did. There's no excuse for those heinous acts. They were committed because a group of fundamentalists think that killin' 'Mericans == heaven. So we had some military bases in Saudi Arabia? No shit! It's a very volatile region of the world, controlling a huge percentage of the Earth's energy supply, of which we are its #1 consumer. Of course we're going to have bases there! That region has been a mess since before America even existed, thanks to the violent and archaic philosophies of fundamental Islam. If you're looking for someone to blame for the attacks, how about the actual people that commited the attacks?
Well, the world is a dangerous place. It's full of people who want to kill us. For placing military bases in their countries.
And the British, and the French, and each other. They worship death. Get your head out of your ass, and stop quoting what you heard around the Quad.
Put your money where your mouth is: wear a homing beacon.
Huh? Put your mouth where your money is, champ. In other words, I'm doing my part by not being a whiny bitch. As soon as you step on someone else's property, you have no right to be unmonitored. What you do in the privacy of your own home is your business, but it's unreasonable to expect that privacy in public. That's why they call it public.
It's not as if these methods will prevent a terrorist attack anyway.
So, genius, how exactly do you expect to prevent terrorist attacks, and minimize friendly casualties in the event of an urban battle, yet still not preserve the "privacy" you expect when you're walking around outside? And why do you expect it again? You know you're outside, right?
I'm glad none of you jackoffs were around when the Census was proposed. The whining would have been deafening.
Beats me. I never said they did. Who's out there buying Apache? Yet, the more web servers that run it, the better chances that consulting shops, Php programmers, and Apache admins will have to get some business. The better chances that module authors will have to make some money.
I assume - and assert - that they did it in house. Prove me wrong.
Why? Very few large, professional UNIX installations provide 100% of their own support. I very seriously doubt that they would have been granted the PO to go out and build this render farm on the assertion that they could hire a few nerds to keep their huge render farm up and running all by themselves. If they are not using a support contract of some kind, they are not as bright as I thought. Since most production shops have a support contract, including the one I work for, and most likely the one you work for, and most likely the one the other/. readers work for (assuming it's not Ma & Pa), the burden of proof is on you. Do I have to prove they bought UPSes and are running backups, too? Besides, even if they are doing it in-house, they still have to pay someone, most likely several someones, to admin all of those machines. When those someones get done with work, guess what they do? Go home and hack on OSS software.
Which benefits Linux - and therefore you and me - how exactly?
More jobs = more people choosing open source as a viable carreer alternative = more folks learning OSS = more OSS. And, unless you live in a hole and eat air, you and I both depend on jobs in order to have electricity in order to make more OSS.
Which means more usage of the type above, i.e. usage, with absolutely no evidence of contribution back to linux either directly in terms of code or indirectly in paying money to people to write it.
The more users, the more legitimacy OSS gains. The more CIOs who are ready to get checks written. Just because no one's buying the software doesn't mean no one's making money off of it. Just because they are not airlifting crates of code to Linus' house doesn't mean that no one's contibuting.
If every Microsoft user switched to linux tomorrow, how would that benefit linux?
Where would they go to get their distros? IRC? Doubtful. They'd walk into a store, and buy a shrinkwrapped distro, thereby contributing to the distro makers. They would walk into a CompUSA and demand that there be Linux pre-installed on a selection of computers. Some of them would demand application support in their companies for the new Linux desktops on everyone's desk. Some of them would demand that their favorite office apps be ported to Linux.
If you really think increasing userbase doesn't help Linux, why did you install it?
And, furthermore, who cares? It doesn't seem to me that the OSS community is slowing down at all. Maybe instead of trying to figure out how more users helps OSS, we should just realize that it simply does, and get on with our lives.
Nonsense. The basis of criminal law is "Do no harm".
Wait, so that has nothing to do with right or wrong, good or bad? Doing harm is wrong. Not doing harm is right. Call it what you want, but the purpose of law is to finalize what we already know: do what's right, don't do what's wrong.
Montana has no speed limits, and other traffic laws vary state to state. So, in some states, the people have actually abolished certain regulations. And parking? Who's a big fan of parking laws?
And I certainly have a right not to have my life shortened by your filthy habit via second-hand smoke.
Shortened? Really? Well, as much as I would like you to fuck off and die, I seriously doubt that you will ever be in a situation where pot smoke is concentrated enough to actually affect your life span. Get your head out of your ass.
Nor am I overly enthusiastic about you getting a case of the munchies, getting into your car in a semi-coherent state, and speeding down the road to the grocery store as a freakin' one tone missile.
Huh? DUI is already a crime, jackass.
Very young children have not gained that insight, and might actually have their lives depend on you applying your brakes in timely manner. But that would be their mistake because you have a right to get high, yes?
You don't even make sense. Everybody's lives on the road depend on everyone putting their brakes on in a timely fashion. Everything from age to cough syrup to a bad day at work can slow down your reaction times. Go on your witchhunt at a MADD meeting.
Once you are willing to sign the equivalent of a contract stating that you WILL NOT leave the confines of your own home until the effects have worn off
This would be an amazing precedent, since no other drug requires this. Including morphine. It's a plant, ass.
That goes for any drug that, when taken in sufficient quantity, impairs mental ability.
Oh yeah? Like coffee, nicotine, demoral, Tylenol PM, Red Bull, and Coca Cola? Stop being such a pussy.
The banking industry sat tight, allowed them to remain fee for a while, and then as soon as ATM use became an imprinted consumer habit, began charging for them.
We all bitched and moaned for a while, maybe used the 'cash back" feature at the supermarket, and bought a pack of gum. Soon, we just started paying the $1.50. For access to our own money. In a way that was actually cheaper
Anything is possible if your customer base is lazy enough.
They already do. Who do you think pays to get anti-pirating legislation enacted? The Industry may pay the lobbyists, but it's taxpayers who pay the Congresspersons who actually enact it, and the judges who enforce it. we may not be subsidizing their business directly, but we are in a sense providing paid security for their business model.
I just got a 450MHz G4 Cube (pre-owned, obviously).
I have used high-end workstation-class machines, both RISC and CISC, multi-GHz Intel machines, and Macs back to System 6. This Cube is without a doubt the best computer I have ever owned or used.
That having been said, I have seen Apple make some prety serious hardware and customer service mistakes. I would buy another Mac in a heartbeat, but I would wait for these systems to ship for at least six months before buying one of them. Wait until you can check Mac help forums. Find out what the problems are, if any. You don't want to spend $3000 on a computer, and have the paint chip off.
I think we lose sight of just how scared the majority of people are of computers.
You're right, but checking your email, and making word documents do not make you computer or OS savvy. I would not claim to know how to drive if I couldn't follow simple directions, and only knew how to get to four or five places. If you're not a computer user, fine. But don't claim to be one. It's maddening to those around you.
I know it's not Linux, but try MacOSX. It's expensive (to buy a machine it'll run on), but it's worth every penny. Takes you from using your computer to actually enjoying your computer.
New to UNIX, I started playing around in the command line, and was typing all kinds of crazy shit in a matter of minutes. Then, when I was done, I went back to enjoying my Mac, until the next time I decided to goof around in the CLI again. You owe it to yourself to at least go to an Apple store, or a friend's house, and check it out.
I just had to tech someone in our marketing department on how to put a fucking file in a fucking directory. Not on the command line. Not via ftp or WebDAV. A regular Windows file into a regular Windows directory.
People who claim to know how to use Windows in fact do not. They know how to use certain Windows programs. They are program-centric, not file-centric. I want to feel sorry for them, until I realize that they put "Windows use" on their resume, which was a fucking lie. Now I can hate them with a clear conscience.
Sorry for the rant, but it just happened 25 minutes ago.
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How about preventing people from becoming terrorists by e.g. not stealing their oil, not bombing them, not supporting their enemies with weapons, etc...
There has been terrorism since before there was oil, chump. The oil provides the funding, not the reason. So, let me get this straight: we don't bomb anyone, nor do we give anyone support (because everybody's an enemy of somebody). Do you want to go tell the army they can go home now, or can I do it? *chuckle*
Yes... how about not spying outside, but only inside clearly declared malls or other large buildings ?
PSST- You're already on camera in most malls and "other large buildings". In Europe, they have cameras everywhere. Large buildings that are not your house are considered public places. If the owners of that property don't mind surveillance, then you don't have a choice. You live in a dreamworld.
What acts of the US's drove nineteen people to carefully plan their own suicides and mass murder on that scale?
You think those people were "driven" to kill 3000 innocents? They lived here in the States! They watched TV, ate food, and practised their religion freely. They were not driven by anything we did. There's no excuse for those heinous acts. They were committed because a group of fundamentalists think that killin' 'Mericans == heaven. So we had some military bases in Saudi Arabia? No shit! It's a very volatile region of the world, controlling a huge percentage of the Earth's energy supply, of which we are its #1 consumer. Of course we're going to have bases there! That region has been a mess since before America even existed, thanks to the violent and archaic philosophies of fundamental Islam. If you're looking for someone to blame for the attacks, how about the actual people that commited the attacks?
Well, the world is a dangerous place. It's full of people who want to kill us. For placing military bases in their countries.
And the British, and the French, and each other. They worship death. Get your head out of your ass, and stop quoting what you heard around the Quad.
Put your money where your mouth is: wear a homing beacon.
Huh? Put your mouth where your money is, champ. In other words, I'm doing my part by not being a whiny bitch. As soon as you step on someone else's property, you have no right to be unmonitored. What you do in the privacy of your own home is your business, but it's unreasonable to expect that privacy in public. That's why they call it public.
It's not as if these methods will prevent a terrorist attack anyway.
Hey, you're the expert. *snort*
"Oh, my privacy! My privacy!"
So, genius, how exactly do you expect to prevent terrorist attacks, and minimize friendly casualties in the event of an urban battle, yet still not preserve the "privacy" you expect when you're walking around outside? And why do you expect it again? You know you're outside, right?
I'm glad none of you jackoffs were around when the Census was proposed. The whining would have been deafening.
What commercial application did they buy?
/. readers work for (assuming it's not Ma & Pa), the burden of proof is on you. Do I have to prove they bought UPSes and are running backups, too? Besides, even if they are doing it in-house, they still have to pay someone, most likely several someones, to admin all of those machines. When those someones get done with work, guess what they do? Go home and hack on OSS software.
Beats me. I never said they did. Who's out there buying Apache? Yet, the more web servers that run it, the better chances that consulting shops, Php programmers, and Apache admins will have to get some business. The better chances that module authors will have to make some money.
I assume - and assert - that they did it in house. Prove me wrong.
Why? Very few large, professional UNIX installations provide 100% of their own support. I very seriously doubt that they would have been granted the PO to go out and build this render farm on the assertion that they could hire a few nerds to keep their huge render farm up and running all by themselves. If they are not using a support contract of some kind, they are not as bright as I thought. Since most production shops have a support contract, including the one I work for, and most likely the one you work for, and most likely the one the other
Which benefits Linux - and therefore you and me - how exactly?
More jobs = more people choosing open source as a viable carreer alternative = more folks learning OSS = more OSS. And, unless you live in a hole and eat air, you and I both depend on jobs in order to have electricity in order to make more OSS.
Which means more usage of the type above, i.e. usage, with absolutely no evidence of contribution back to linux either directly in terms of code or indirectly in paying money to people to write it.
The more users, the more legitimacy OSS gains. The more CIOs who are ready to get checks written. Just because no one's buying the software doesn't mean no one's making money off of it. Just because they are not airlifting crates of code to Linus' house doesn't mean that no one's contibuting.
If every Microsoft user switched to linux tomorrow, how would that benefit linux?
Where would they go to get their distros? IRC? Doubtful. They'd walk into a store, and buy a shrinkwrapped distro, thereby contributing to the distro makers. They would walk into a CompUSA and demand that there be Linux pre-installed on a selection of computers. Some of them would demand application support in their companies for the new Linux desktops on everyone's desk. Some of them would demand that their favorite office apps be ported to Linux.
If you really think increasing userbase doesn't help Linux, why did you install it?
And, furthermore, who cares? It doesn't seem to me that the OSS community is slowing down at all. Maybe instead of trying to figure out how more users helps OSS, we should just realize that it simply does, and get on with our lives.
What does a multi-million dollar installation in the entertainment industry do to help Linux?
It means another customer for content production applications on Linux, to help ensure that these applications will continue to be produced
It means another support contract for Red Hat or whoever is going to be supporting the render farm
It means another job for a Linux sysadmin
It means more customers making sure that whatever hardware/software they buy works on Linux
It means more publicity for your favorite OS
Nonsense. The basis of criminal law is "Do no harm".
Wait, so that has nothing to do with right or wrong, good or bad? Doing harm is wrong. Not doing harm is right. Call it what you want, but the purpose of law is to finalize what we already know: do what's right, don't do what's wrong.
Here here!
Montana has no speed limits, and other traffic laws vary state to state. So, in some states, the people have actually abolished certain regulations. And parking? Who's a big fan of parking laws?
However, the gov't we have today tries to enforce it's own morals onto other people.
That's the whole purpose of the body of law. To put what's "right" and "wrong" into a book, so that it's written down somewhere.
You are a fucking moron. Hey, here's why:
You said:
And I certainly have a right not to have my life shortened by your filthy habit via second-hand smoke.
Shortened? Really? Well, as much as I would like you to fuck off and die, I seriously doubt that you will ever be in a situation where pot smoke is concentrated enough to actually affect your life span. Get your head out of your ass.
Nor am I overly enthusiastic about you getting a case of the munchies, getting into your car in a semi-coherent state, and speeding down the road to the grocery store as a freakin' one tone missile.
Huh? DUI is already a crime, jackass.
Very young children have not gained that insight, and might actually have their lives depend on you applying your brakes in timely manner. But that would be their mistake because you have a right to get high, yes?
You don't even make sense. Everybody's lives on the road depend on everyone putting their brakes on in a timely fashion. Everything from age to cough syrup to a bad day at work can slow down your reaction times. Go on your witchhunt at a MADD meeting.
Once you are willing to sign the equivalent of a contract stating that you WILL NOT leave the confines of your own home until the effects have worn off
This would be an amazing precedent, since no other drug requires this. Including morphine. It's a plant, ass.
That goes for any drug that, when taken in sufficient quantity, impairs mental ability.
Oh yeah? Like coffee, nicotine, demoral, Tylenol PM, Red Bull, and Coca Cola? Stop being such a pussy.
Amazing that not one, but TWO moderators would waste mod points on this comment. Way to improve the s/n ratio, idiots!
I was correcting my spelling, crackhead.
well it would certainly have to be recompiled for OSX as it's only available as source right now :-)
Whoops!
Sinister, duh.
If it really replaces the commercial tools it says it does, it would be worth dual-booting to Linux just for this one app alone.
What does it take to get an app like this to run on OSX? A recompile, or something more sinsiter, like Fink or a complete port?
I can take my phone number with me so I don't have to give a new number out to 700 different people
When are they going to start doing this for POTS lines? Everytime I move from one side of Dallas to the other, my phone number changes!
Remember when ATMs were free?
The banking industry sat tight, allowed them to remain fee for a while, and then as soon as ATM use became an imprinted consumer habit, began charging for them.
We all bitched and moaned for a while, maybe used the 'cash back" feature at the supermarket, and bought a pack of gum. Soon, we just started paying the $1.50. For access to our own money. In a way that was actually cheaper
Anything is possible if your customer base is lazy enough.
They already do. Who do you think pays to get anti-pirating legislation enacted? The Industry may pay the lobbyists, but it's taxpayers who pay the Congresspersons who actually enact it, and the judges who enforce it. we may not be subsidizing their business directly, but we are in a sense providing paid security for their business model.
I just got a 450MHz G4 Cube (pre-owned, obviously).
I have used high-end workstation-class machines, both RISC and CISC, multi-GHz Intel machines, and Macs back to System 6. This Cube is without a doubt the best computer I have ever owned or used.
That having been said, I have seen Apple make some prety serious hardware and customer service mistakes. I would buy another Mac in a heartbeat, but I would wait for these systems to ship for at least six months before buying one of them. Wait until you can check Mac help forums. Find out what the problems are, if any. You don't want to spend $3000 on a computer, and have the paint chip off.
Meanwhile open source has been the source for many of the ideas in Billy boys speech
Including the thousands of open relays spammers use.
I think we lose sight of just how scared the majority of people are of computers.
You're right, but checking your email, and making word documents do not make you computer or OS savvy. I would not claim to know how to drive if I couldn't follow simple directions, and only knew how to get to four or five places. If you're not a computer user, fine. But don't claim to be one. It's maddening to those around you.
Sad that a teacher couldn't even click on a link.
I know it's not Linux, but try MacOSX. It's expensive (to buy a machine it'll run on), but it's worth every penny. Takes you from using your computer to actually enjoying your computer.
New to UNIX, I started playing around in the command line, and was typing all kinds of crazy shit in a matter of minutes. Then, when I was done, I went back to enjoying my Mac, until the next time I decided to goof around in the CLI again. You owe it to yourself to at least go to an Apple store, or a friend's house, and check it out.
"That stuff is for sysadmins and support people"
Amen. Ever watch a race car driver change a tire?
Dude, relax.
I just had to tech someone in our marketing department on how to put a fucking file in a fucking directory. Not on the command line. Not via ftp or WebDAV. A regular Windows file into a regular Windows directory.
People who claim to know how to use Windows in fact do not. They know how to use certain Windows programs. They are program-centric, not file-centric. I want to feel sorry for them, until I realize that they put "Windows use" on their resume, which was a fucking lie. Now I can hate them with a clear conscience.
Sorry for the rant, but it just happened 25 minutes ago.