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Ardour Digital Audio Workstation Now in Beta
croddy writes "The first beta of the Ardour digital audio workstation has been released. A tarball is available at the Ardour project page on Sourceforge. Packagers are currently preparing binary releases for several major Linux distributions. Ardour is a professional-grade, low-latency, multi-track digital hard disk recording and mixing application designed to replace dedicated HDR systems, and software systems such as ProTools and Samplitude. It supports audio processing plugins via LADSPA. Although it is still a beta, the years of work and dedication by the Ardour development team are very much visible in this release."
I can now FINALLY ditch windows forever!
huh?
If it really replaces the commercial tools it says it does, it would be worth dual-booting to Linux just for this one app alone.
What does it take to get an app like this to run on OSX? A recompile, or something more sinsiter, like Fink or a complete port?
If you fall off a building, go real limp, because maybe you'll look like a dummy and people will be like hey, free dummy
Not to mention it give those of us who only dabble a way to play without shelling out large amounts of cash.
Can Linux switchers get commercials like those annoying Mac ones too?
IAALS.
Time to dump far too many Windows tools...no more loosing work to the BSOD!
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Great now I can record music in my home, and publish it on the internet, and get sued by the RIAA for not paying them for the privilege of making music.
Food not Bombs is a nice platitude but it breaks down when you notice that the Bombees are usually well fed
How does Ardour compare to Audacity, another free digital audio editing program? I want to know my options before switching from proprietary Cool Edit.
Will I retire or break 10K?
Finally, I'll be able to sleep at night knowing I'm not illegally using some of the Windows based audio software.
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This is what you get for splintering the market between two toolkits (GTK and QT) - people who want to go mass market end up pushing these butt-ugly UIs from yesteryear.
It's getting to the point where I absolutely cannot wait for this to finally arrive.
My musician husband has been lusting after the ability to record music for years, and the big trouble has been that the right software has been proprietary, often requiring expensive hardware to make it work, and EXPENSIVE on its own.
To wit: Vegas from Sonic Foundry costs $700. Samplitude is about that much. ProTools? If you have to ask, you can't afford it. Sonar by Cakewalk only costs $500. (ONLY)
Unfortunately it's not production quality yet. But from the looks of the site, it looks like they are getting close to it now.
Give it a year or so and I will be able to finally wipe Windows off of the family audio computer and do it the right way...with Free as in FREEDOM software.
Knowledge is power. Knowledge shared is power multiplied.
The perfect tool for even MORE lame Korean knockoffs of American pop music.
Actually, though...the cheaper the tools, the less lure there is for artists to sign their souls over to RIAA.
Sorry for bringing up RIAA again, just because the topic happens to involve sound.
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Ardour is a professional-grade, low-latency, multi-track digital hard disk recording and mixing application
Wow, so I can actually record a hard disk with this program? What do I record it on? Another hard disk? Imagining an infinite loop of hard disks...
I almost spewed apple juice out my nose when I saw Ardour referred to as "professional-grade" and compared to Pro-Tools. Sorry, it's a nice free package and useful for light hobbyist work, but that's about it. I've been trying to migrate my studio off Windows for awhile now and nothing on Linux comes close, so I just bought Macs instead. Just getting Ardour to install was a daunting task, let alone getting it to see the soundcards I had. Yes it's still beta, but it doesn't even fair well against simple cheap tools that were available in 1997.
I like Ardour (when I actually managed to get it compiled) I have found that it will never replace my Mackie MDR 24, or my Mackie 8-bus console. I'm a knob/fader/pot turner and I like the feel of "real" equipment (I also like the way it looks, all shiney, with the lights and LED's sparkling).
I use Ardour mostly for low-level editing of tracks I record on the MDR. I can ftp into the MDR and pull the tracks out of project (they are just WAV files) and import them into Ardour. The best part about Ardour for editing is its non-destructive-ness... especially for the Mackie were if you had destructive editing... well your synch wouldn't be... um, in synch.
Now, maybe, with binary distributions coming online, we can see VST plugin capability?
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enough with the software updates, its nice yeah when something pops up that your interested in which has been the case for many myself many times I admit, but really they should be left for freshmeat.net.. wouldnt you agree?
Im sure theres many more interesting news submissions coming in than software updates..
moo
I have to cringe when I see Ardours interface. I feel the same way about Logic.
Now the killer question, is this cool tool a good replacement for Windows based products such as CoolEdit or Cakewalk's Sonar? I've been a long time user of the later since the DOS days, but have become increasingly annoyed by latency issues as a result of the operating system.
I'm not only encouraged to make the switch by tools such as Ardour, but the increasing support for MIDI & Sound cards AND if need be, tweak my Linux Kernel for real-time music, MIDI & sound performance.
Now I just need to find an equivalent to Dave Phillips' "Sound & Midi Software for Linux" page for Video editing & DVD production.
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The de facto standard for this kind of work is ProTools. Despite any grass-roots campaigns against it, it is the most commonly used DAW application out there.
OSS packages, while great and useful, are not going to be able to compete with ProTools in the near future. ProTools (not LE, not FE, the real version) comes with custom external DSP hardware. The external DSPs and related hardware are used for to process software plugins as well as simple tasks like ADC/DAC of signals. Until the OSS community can provide both equivalent hardware and software support for it, there will be no competition between packages like this one and ProTools, as they are in entirely different classes.
All that being said, I'm really happy someone is working on it, and that I'll probably use this or similiar package, but not for the same things I'd use ProTools for.
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ardour will interface with any multi-channel pro-grade interface you throw at it (assuming it is ALSA supported).
it was written with this interface (among others) in mind:
RME Hammerfall DSP
which is cheaper than a digidesign 888. compare the specs :-)
Now I just need to get my sound card working under Linux!
Digidesign 888 is mostly a AD/DA convertor box, it would hook into a RME 2496 through the ADAT port. I don't think their is a digidesign equivalent to the RME 2496.
Any idea how this runs on slower hardware and consumer grade sound cards? The "requirements" didn't list processor power.
After about three years of testing Ardour it's great to see the beta release. I own a small commercial recording studio and am really looking forward to running Ardour and other linux applications fulltime. There's still work to be done but it's getting very close.
Ardour is a jackd client. Jackd enables hardware and software port routing. So, application_a:output_N can be routed to application_b:input_N and on and on to the extent of your computing capabilities.
In addition to routing, jackd also has transport syncronization functionality. The transport api is in beta but it's being actively developed. Earlier this morning I tested DM-24(digital mixer) MMC play instructions to Ardour(jack transport master) to Alsaplayer(jack transport slave) and Ardour-mtc:out to DM-24 for sync between Ardour and the mixing consol.
In the middle of that chain I've got JAMin which is a jack client audio mastering application
So, I hit play(dm-24) Ardour engages transport, Alsaplayer engages transport and sends its output to JAMin which in turn sends its output to Ardour where the mastered product is recorded. This is incredible stuff.
My hat is off to the linux audio developer and user community.
Next on the agenda, call my protools pals and invite them over for beer. :)
anyone knows how to get that soundcard to run with alsa? i shelled out some money for it, and like to use it again
What do you mean "lack of good music recording/processing software on Linux" ? It's built in the OS for crying out loud :
/dev/dsp > my_music.raw /dev/dsp
Recording : cat
Processing : dd if=my_music.wav of=my_shorter_music.raw bs=1k count=10
Playing : cat my_shorter_music.raw >
Just try to do that on Windows!
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
An article obviously written by someone who has no idea what protools is all about.
The whole point of protools is that you have plugins that take advantage of DSP chips in the Digidesign hardware to offload that type of work from the CPU.
This type of software has about 10 years to come before it's even close to the capabilities that software like protools, cubase sx, ableton live, and any other modern peice of audio related software.
Do I sound pissed? Yeah, I've tried to use Linux audio software. If you're a geek with a garage band, I guess this is for you.
It would seem the biggest problem here is lack of driver support for a wide range of pro-audio sound cards and interfaces. Looking at the ALSA supported hardware page (which this workstation utilizes), most of the pro hardware hasn't been verified to work well.
I think the other major downside is the lack of VST plug-in support. Most every major digital audio software workstation like ProTools and Nuendo take advantage of the large array of VST plug-ins available for things like effects processing. I don't think you'll see a lot of pro audio guys contemplate switching over until VST support is added (in Ardour's defense, VST support is tricky because a lot of them are platform-specific due to bad design).
However, I salute them for their work and hope that Ardour matures into a great package.
Imagine when high-quality digital recording facilities are available at low cost to those that want to use them. The RIAA will have lost its hammerlock on both side of the music supply chain. Suddenly the arguments that say the RIAA are screwing the artists start to have a lot more validity: the artists will be able to create works and distribute them easily in return for a fair price.
Even if some other proprietary system is the standard, I hope artists sieze this opportunity. (If only so I can see the RIAA swallow their collective tongue.)
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I've been doing audio production work for a couple years using Windows 2000, Nuendo, Amplitube, This incredible $139 gadget, using only this inexpensive audio card. I don't get blue screens of death, my hardware is fully supported, etc. I run a second HD with Red Hat 9 (and incidentally, the awesome Ximian Desktop), and I can't even get my sound card to work. I love Linux, but no serious musician will be using the penguin for audio production for at least a few more years.
FWIW there's a rumour that Tracktion, (a bit of a cult audio/midi sequencer amongst some audio circles) is also getting ported over to Linux in the next couple of months. My money's on this as a more serious contender for the linux audio throne, but I don't know if it'll be open source (probably not actually, as it's a commercial app on Windows + Mac).. anyways, it's a cool bit of software that's worth checking out anyway. www.tracktion.com IIRC
Does anyone have suggestions for making a setup similar to Ardour, but with MIDI recording and editing?
Looking at the Ardour page, this looks outstanding if all of your inputs are waveforms! Personally, though, I've been looking to set up a small studio that can do the types of things Ardour can with waveform audio (although, i could be satisfied with 8 or so channels). However, I'd also like to be able to capture & edit MIDI tracks along with the audio, since I use both a digital piano and drum kit.
Any and all recommendations would be great, regardless of OS and potential required hardware... Cost is of course an issue, but if the system is good enough, a reasonable investment may be worth it.
As a music producer it will be great to have an alternative to the Windows aps such as Sonar, Cubase and Nuendo. I never quite felt that Windows was friendly enough to fully accomodate professional music production. I'm not sure is Linux is more real time audio friendly and condusive to low latency (Sub 10 ms) audio. Any opinions on this?
Seriously, I hope this works as well as described. Although their is an uphill battle agains mind share (ProTools is truly the DeFacto standard in real studies) there is ALSO the fact that Musicians are also a contraty bunch indeed. They are more likely to use "something different", a.k.a. Linux, than almost any other group, just out of a desire to truly "think outside of the box" and "*f the man!. Suggestion to the Authors: for this to work the designers of Ardour should focus, focus, focus on the user interface, leaving GewGaws behind. I've recorded with computers for over 10 years, have a full studio, blah blah. What do I mainly use?... Cakewalk Guitar Tracks, a $50 program. Why? because the interface is beautiful and EASY to use. Looks just like a multitrack recorder, an analogue device designed for ease of use. After 27 beers, nobody wants to page through 17 menus to start a recording, they just want to capture the sound. Anyway, good luck to them, I look forward to it.
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The difference in quality (if there is difference) comes from the experience the engineers have in designing audio processing. Most audiosoftware programmers I know lack (or used to lack =) that experience, but they are rapidly catching up and are starting to give the firms a good competition.
"Can Linux switchers get commercials like those annoying Mac ones too?"
No, you have to make them yourselves... for free...
I was thinking about workarounds for the RIAA, there are alot of decent bands out there. What if they just did cover songs of current popular msuic anonymously and released them on the P2P. My copyright is a little fuzzy but I belive they can do live performances and they are definutly not allowed to profit from it. But what if someone records their garage playings, masters the tracks and releases them. Who gets the C&D now? Granted musicians spend hundreds of hours to produce a track but it can't be nearly as hard when you have a baseline of what you want it to sound like.
protools (and others) run at 96 khz with big iron (Solid State Logic etc) running at 192khz.
Sigh - nice effort though. I guess the custom DSP's make a lot of difference. But i guess if you can mate this thing to a decent sound card then 96khz should be do-able..
For patent infringement and have to remove the source from the net?
Get it while you can!
...what if you don't know JACK?
Aww, poo baby, having to spend a couple grand on equipment to make money. What IS the world coming to? Oh wait, let's leave Musician Reality and enter Real World Reality.
Tools for automotive mechanics can cost thousands of dollars, and that's not including the computerized tools now practically required for most vehicles made since 1995 or so.
IT people spend housands of dollars on equipment, references like the Nutshell books, training, education, certification, and software.
Carpenters need vehicles, labourers, lots of tools, state license...don't forget the good ones have spend considerable time in an apprenticeship...then there's laying down the money for materials not knowing if you'll get paid...not to mention all the overhead of starting a new business...
Doctors spend HUNDREDS of thousands of dollars on education- then there's the intern period where you make shit $ for unbelievable hours. Then there's joining a practice, all THAT equipment(you think YOUR equipment is expensive?), malpractice insurance...oh, and your student loans.
Fact is that any profession requires money to aquire the knowledge, experience, and tools necessary to do the job; that's why those professionals make MONEY using those TOOLS, why their SERVICES are VALUED and people PAY what we real world people like to call MONEY for those SERVICES.
While I agree this free software package is great, you need to get your(or your husband's) artist-head out of the proverbial socialist-poet-filled coffeeshop and into reality- because one free software package is not going to turn your home office into a recording studio. You're forgetting about sound deadening, a nice recording microphone, mixers, wiring, maybe even electrical work(helloooo ground loop hum!)...
Please help metamoderate.
I found it interesting how much these guys seem to like Dual AMD machines.
Not that is really suprises me, they are an "cheap" way to get really good performance. Whoever, they referred to them quite a few times in their promo material.
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Doesn't this need to be tested out by having a Geeks in Space Reunion Special?
VST is THE standard for effects and software instruments. Yes, Apple has their Audio Units thing and M$ has DirectX, but the wealth of effects and softsynths available in VST (including hundreds of free ones) makes VST support a must-have for a pro quality tool.
Ardour looks promising, but without VST support its usefulness and appeal is extremely limited. And it's nice that it's free and runs on Linux, but there are $99 programs available for Windows that do much more.
Even though I've come to detest Avid, the Digi side still works well. They're arrogant, but have a right to be. There's nothing that works better and is more standard in the audio industry than ProTools. Where's the TDM support? If you guys editing in Cool Edit had any clues you'd be screaming for this feature. Go to a studio running a recent incarnation of ProTools HD and spend some time editing in it. You'll have gear lust until you have a system of your own.
First, when creating a DAW, you adapt your hardware for the platform. Linux does have semi-pro and professional audio solutions. The hardware isn't the issue.
Now, you still might be right that real audio production in Linux is a few years off. The kernel patches are a bit of a pain still, from what I understand, not to mention that the plugin support isn't there. However, Linux has a viable future in the audio/video editing arena if some commercial (not necessarily proprietary) vendors come in.
(Why do we need those pesky businesses, by the way? Because those businesses have money to hire engineers who may not be as altruistic as the rest of us, not to mention pay for the use of patents in the field...)
There are stand alone DAW solutions under $1000 and even well proportioned upgrades for under $2000! Korg has the D-1200 and the D-1600 that can record at least 12 tracks, mix them, add effects and burn the disk all in one. Same with Roland, Yamaha, Fostex, Zoom and even Akai.
For computer based solutions MOTU makes the 828 and the 896 with all balanced inputs and software for under $1500. Compare the price of that vs. recording in a cheap studio and you'll save a bunch of money in the long run.
And people PLEASE, and Audigy sound card is not a professional audio interface.
that it is almost completely useless and destined to fail miserably if it tries to compete with pro-tools. I get a kick out of even trying to imagine any engineer trying to use this in a production environment, even 5 years from now. It's a buggy-ass toy...
Please support VST or Audio Unit plugins; there's no use to a DAW without a modern plugin format...
All of our Destroy FX plugins are available with source, contrary to what the FAQ says.
Although some of the posts make it sound that Ardour is much more powerful than Audacity, that have stupidly not used the industry standard VST plugin format. That means that the hundreds of freely availably VST plugins written for Cubase and Logic won't run on this.
Audacity, however, "Notepad" that it is, supports this standard, allowing for a wide range of choices.
It's always like this with Open Source: Defendants claim it fits all the needs of today's proprietary solutions users and attackers come with the "immature and ugly" argument.
Of course Ardour is far away from being "pro" as in ProTools or Solid State Logic, but hey, might be a good solution for home recordings, demos and stuff.
Thing is, to make it real, Ardour should get at least better than Sonar, and better means not only having the same or more features (which it is already close to, as I've had my eye on this project for a while) but also being extremely easy to setup and use.
If I want to get Sonar working on my PC I only need to hit the "Next" button a couple of times. And this is usually the hard part when it comes to Linux projects, always suffering from (lack of) standardization.
Plus, and that is the big point to make me not migrate my little home studio to Ardour, software price is not a big deal. I still need a good sound card (mine is a Delta44, cost me $300 a couple of years ago), guitars (acoustic, electric, bass), drums and microphones (I use a Zoom RT-123 for drum sequencing, but if you use a real drum kit you'll find yourself spending a lot more on microphones), amplifier (mine is an Alesis - 100W) and good speakers (JBL Monitor1 for instance).
This ends all up costing $3k or so, making the price tag on the software not significant compared to ease of use.
Just my 2 cents.
One of the nice things about Sonar is the (with the addon) ability to take a midi track made up of soundfonts and render it to a wav for a final mix.
That seems to be about the only major thing I would consider missing (the VST plugin "almost-support" was a surprise. Wonder if they could get DirectX plugin support via wine or something as well.)
What about a revolving door? Sounds like another cat/buttered toast invention in the works.
Seriously, back on topic(?). It seems they forgot about Alsihad.
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This is Open source software! Participate! Download the stinking tarball, roll it out onto a spare Linux PC, and lend a hand!
Don't you guys get it?! WE write the software. If you can't code, test it and report back bugs.
Having a hand in its development will give you a better sense of where it needs to go and what it can really do. Keep your protools, it's a good program. With your help, however, you can make this many times better, and a few dollars cheaper. ;>
'nuff said...
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I remember there was a group of guys about 10 years ago at Steinberg that were working on the Cubase port to Unix specifically the SGI. What ever happed to this adventurous project? Anyone have an idea? Ondo are you out there???
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The more people talk about Dual AMD machines, the more prople will talk about Dual AMD machines. Mention AMD in a conversation today! Help defeat the Intel spin-factory.
I want to delete my account but Slashdot doesn't allow it.
I think there is a lot of potential for professional-grade installations using something like Ardour. The tool itself is open-source and it runs on an open-source OS. Don't think it runs fast enough? Reconfigure your kernel by removing all the junk you don't use. Go through the startup scripts, turning off services and daemons you don't need. Switch to one of the more real-time oriented versions of Linux. Hack the source code, optimize the drivers, add your own features.
Okay, realistically, I'm not going to do this. I will plunk on my guitar in my basement, make a couple of mediocre tracks, and move on with my life.
But's what's stopping you from doing this? Or a technically savvy sound studio owner? Or, cooler than that, you could make a product by combining a rack mounted PC, a custom-configured version of Linux, a custom-configured version of Ardour, and the testing and support that would be needed. Of course, the GPL would require you to make the source code available. But that's okay. You get paid for your expertise without taking anything away from those who provided the expertise to build Ardour or Linux.
Whew, ranting a bit. Sorry. But I am excited by the possibilities.
> The external DSPs and related hardware are used for to process
> software plugins as well as simple tasks like ADC/DAC of signals
If all you're using external DSP hardware for is as co-processors to run software on, you're fighting a losing battle--CPUs performance is increasing so quickly that you're barely done with the DSP hardware design before the next generation CPU comes out and obviates the need for it. Basically the only long-term justification for external hardware is for high-quality interfacing to the real world. Anything else is just vendor tie-in, kind of like a large expensive security dongle. I assume ProTools is an old established company, so five or ten years ago their external co-processors might very well have been required. But just the fact that they are "external DSPs" makes them in no way inherently better--if anything, worse, since you add communications latency. Remember when encoding/decoding MPEG video required actual hardware cards?
Well, I COULD spend my time testing, tracking bugs, and coding simply because the tool is open source...
...But what I'd rather be doing with my spare time is making music.
Ask me again when the product can deal with midi tracks as well as waves. Until then, it is NOT professional.
Are you insane? That's like saying GIMP will replace Photoshop. Neither of them are even close to being in the same leage.
It's hyperbole like that that HURTS Open Source.
Try telling a real professional that this thing is near to replacing ProTools and you will be laughed off the planet.
Get a grip. It (like gimp) might make a nice cheap alternative for the garage band or bedroom recording artist, but it's got about a decade more work to go to approach what ProTools does TODAY.
Advertise it for what it is, don't make completely uninformed comments like this will be a free replacement for ProTools. My ghod.
Contrary to popular belief, coding is not all free blow-jobs and beer. Those things cost MONEY!
Yes, not only do I need plugins support (VST and or DX) ... but unfortunately I also need support for my Aardvark Direct Pro Q10 and 24/96 audio interface hardware, for which there exists no ALSA support whatsoever :-( :-( :-(
Meanwhile I stick with my Sonar 2.2XL and use DX plugins/instruments and Cakewalk's "VST Adapter" VST-to-DX converter and run on the Windows XP operating system.
Just a quick correction for those who've hit the Samplitude link listed. Sek'd doesn't own it anymore. It's now produced by Magix.
They have a site dedicated to Samplitude and Sequoia at samplitude.com
While I am looking forward to Ardour getting close to a real release, I must say that Audacity is a great program. I've been trying unsuccessfully to install Ardour on Slackware for literally YEARS. However, I've NEVER had a problem installing Audacity.
In fact I frequently used it to record demos of my band last year. Audacity is very stable and simple to use. It's goal is to be a multi-track recorder and it accomplishes that.
As a musician and a linux user, I can tell you that as nice as direct writing/reading files is, you need something a tad more powerful for low latency multi-track recording (including eq's and effects). I'm going to order a new digi I/O board soon to try out this cool piece of sw.
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I've worked with PC's and Proaudio professionally (but separately) for almost 10 years, and for the money and ease of use I really like the Roland VS series Digital Studio Workstations. Nice feature set, portable, just plug in your mics, edit, mixdown, and master to CD.
Sorry that was the wrong one, I meant this: http://www.ubergeek.tv/switchlinux/ it's hilarious
ProTools Free is a limited cut down version of ProTools, and it's not available for Linux. Linux has greater stability than Windows in many cases. I have doot boot Linux/WinME and WinME crashes frequently, even in audio apps. Not spending horrible amounts of money on software for recording frees up money for gear, food, etc. An open source recording studio puts you under no obligation to ProTools. Also, if you read the features section on the page, there are advantages to Ardour over Pro-Tools. "Freeing up developers" for other open source projects? What would you have them make? Linux toaster ovens? I'm very greatful to anyone who works on Linux/opensource audio apps.
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"Although it is still a beta, the years of work and dedication by the Ardour development team are very much visible in this release."
Paul Davis wrote 99% of the Ardour code, he even recently claimed this on the Ardour website. I'm sorry, I've worked on many teams, this does not constitute a team.
Ardour is a wonderful piece of philanthropy, but as an example of the open source development model is it a failure. For those of you that don't know; Paul Davis was employee #2 at Amazon.com, he cashed in his millions and then devoted the last 4+ years of his life to the development of Ardour. What a very generous gift. Unfortunately, if this is what is required to create a niche program of Ardour's caliber, then the economic side of the open source development model has some serious issues. We already knew this, but it is an important point to always remember.
The last time I tried outputting to the sound card directly like that, it nearly killed my stereo... If you don't send just the right sound sample (isn't it something like signed 8kHz, 8-bit mono?), it comes out of the sound card in a terrible screech. The Linux kernel gods may have improved upon this since the last time I tried it, but I imagine it would be impossible to really improve on it unless they only supported playing sound samples with headers.
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It would be a big plus if this could support Buzz machines.
You will see that the author of this project (also the author of JACK, probably the most important recent addition to Linux for professional audio work, IMHO) has put a lot of thought into the limitations of similar tools on other OS's, including Protools/Nuendo/Cubase/Logic and some of the audio protocols which have been built around this design concept like VST, ReWire, etc.
So after all of the bitching on this list about making Linux tools _better_ than their MS/Apple counterparts, rather than just reinventing the wheel (see OpenOffice vs MSoffice), it seems a bit hasty to be judging the power of this new app on the basis of its feature-for-feature likeness to other tools.
I hope Ardour will get folks to take another look at Linux for music making. Linux has a very unique (and every growing) toolkit that allows musicians to do things they can't do anywhere else, and Ardour/JACK is an important addition.
what the hell does this mean????
"...a professional-level product free of charge."
Isn't that what Linux is?
I've used it over 2 years ago and it worked fine then. Not only did it work fine, it kicked ass up and down the block.
1) Use alsa (free)
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2) Use 4Front's $45 (total) driver.
The great thing about #2 is that after paying you can call up this engineer guy to help you out with this and that. For a whole year. He's a nice fellow.
The $45 is incl. in the price of the $300 card for Windows. So it's not much to ask for the Linux side.
It doesn't come stock in RedHat because people don't just buy computers from Dell with an Envy24-based card in them. Let's be realistic.
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How about supporting other plug-in formats, not just LADSPA? Pro Tools for me is nothing without plug-ins (besides it's transparent easy-to-use interface). I suspect that Audiosuite and RTAS are proprietary, but surely VST is an open standard? A lot of people have bought 3rd party plug-ins, and it would make the app that much stronger if it supported them.
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Sounds like (he!) someone should come out with a Knoppix (DAW) distribution for musicians. Everything included and tuned for their requirements. And portable to boot (he!).
Hmm, with everybody talking about Linux audio tools, I suppose this is my opportunity to plug GNUsound. GNUsound is now in version 0.6, and it's developing very well. If you need a fast, straightforward sound editor, you will want to give it a try.
"A theme is just like applying makeup to an ugly mug.
If the interface is bad, no amount of skinning is going to change the interface."
And with the insightful comment of a Slashdot poster. The entire cosmetic surgery industry implodes, taking Michael Jackson's nose with it.
And that explains why there are no Free games worth a shit compared to the evil proprietary closed source games?
So you think the game of chess isn't "worth a shit"? Or do you claim that Free chess bots have not progressed adequately, that you can consistently beat GNU Chess on its hardest level?
The hardest thing about making a Free game isn't the coding but rather the fact that graphic artists and music composers typically make a larger contribution to modern video games than coders make, and most artists and composers have not yet warmed up to the Free mindset.
And why MS Office still is light-years ahead of the open-source office suites?
Other than the ability to read its own proprietary document format, what does Microsoft Office have that OpenOffice.org lacks?
And why closed-evil Apple has brought UNIX to usability in a few years, that the might free hackers couldn't in 30?
Apple manufactures and sells computer hardware. Hardware cannot be duplicated as easily as software. Apple can make its hardware uniform and shift effort from debugging device drivers to UI research.
Will I retire or break 10K?
sure it's a step up from making mods on linex, but as a professional musican solutions like this are a joke, linux doesn't even have drivers for my frikkin sound card (16 in 16 out, 96Khz 32bit, digital IO, digital ADAT), much less access to the *hundreds* of professional plugins that are available (and I rely on to replace 3 racks of hardware), without those, you're just screwing around on a rich man's 4 track... sure I could use hardware instead of the plugins, but why dump 40g on equipment just to run some tinkertoy solution that doesn't even match the stuff I worked with 10 years ago..
penguins cool and all, but I have work to do
No, for playback everything mixes to stereo. Out of curiosity, what do you use this for?
One popular surround-sound system has three speakers in front, two speakers in back, and one subwoofer for bass enhancement.
Will I retire or break 10K?
when waz the last time you read about a program that became mature, that was finish. no one ever finish software! always with the new stuff but debugging it, making it usable, making reliable is hard work, isn't it?
children - attention deficit children are everywhere
Hello, I can't wait to watch my karma drop to bad after posting this because it's off topic or something... but I have tried all day to compile this downloading dozens of libraries... I'm stumped at this: checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E checking for flex... no checking for lex... no checking for flex... ${SHELL} /home/dczx/TMR/ardour-0.9beta1/libs/gtkmm/missing --run flex
checking for yywrap in -lfl... no
checking for yywrap in -ll... no
checking lex output file root... configure: error: cannot find output from ${SHELL} /home/dczx/TMR/ardour-0.9beta1/libs/gtkmm/missing --run flex; giving up
configure: error: /bin/sh './configure' failed for gtkmm
configure: error: /bin/sh './configure' failed for libs
[root@localhost ardour-0.9beta1]#
since there's no support forum I could find, does anyone have any ideas? thanks
You are complaining about the lack of childish stupid video games in linux, then tell someone else to get out of their parents basement? Here's a clue, many adults have grown out of video game addiction, or never got it in the first place, reserving their time and effort and money for things that are more important. I actually like the fact that linux is shy on "games" as it shows some maturity and forethought and priorities. No matter how "cool" video games might appear to pre teens and some others,they appear that way to people with little life experience yet,and they fall into the "big time professional wrestling" aspects of society and software, ie, sorta lame and childish to most normal adults. Fun once in a while to kill the odd half hour, but nothing you should design your life around or make into some major important hobby or interest. Perhaps you need to get a life not based on virtual reality, the real world has real adventures for you should you choose to enter it. They are a LOT more exciting and fun than "video games", try it sometime.
This kind of trolling has been boring for a long time. If you think ProTools is miles above Ardour, please say what it does that Ardour doesn't.
To all,
The author of Ardour also produced a program call Quasidomo.
I am trying to locate the program, which is supposed to be housed at "www.quasidomo.org".
However, that "quasidomo.org" is for sale.
And I've tried to search the Net for places where I can download Quasidomo but have yet to find it.
If you know where that Quasidomo program is located now, would you mind telling me, please ?
Thank you !
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
There are plenty of bands out there living on Ramen for whom cost is indeed an issue. Of course, many people will illegally copy commercial software, but that doesn't mean cost isn't an issue.
Between the various commercial Windows studio applications I've used (yes, in a real studio with ADATs, etc.), none of the interfaces have been the same. The interfaces have also changed between releases for the same product.
On top of that, most of them attempt to immitate real-world console interfaces. Jakob Nielson would point out that this is not necessarily the ideal user interface, since computers are different from the real world. I'd like to see someone really try to evaluate an incredibly efficient interface without being constrained by trying to copy the real world (vi the studio app?) Pros are perfectly willing to learn vast amounts of information and adapt to a "weird" interface if it allows them to do their job better (think of accountants and WP5.1). Turning knobs with a mouse _can't_ be the best way.
Failing that, control stations are currently available that provide a real-world console interface to your studio software. Support for these should be a high priority.
WMBC freeform/independent online radio.
A program needs to ioctl() to tell the sound card what sample type they are sending it before any writes. Obviously, cat or dd doesn't know how to do this.
No one listen to ths trilobite. He is a liar. A band groupie. A talentless waif.
Oh, another music poser. Another loser who has no publically available music. You are a loser hobbyist and a sucky musician. And you LIE.
NO PROOF. NO MUSIC. KNOW NOTHING.
Of course, there's not alot of material I can point you to for verification, but that's what makes it fun.
Yes, mp3.com is so selective. Hehehehe. And you couldn't even make the cut there. HAHAHAHAHA. BWAHAHAHAHAH. heehehe.
why cant mister super duper right hand man to the millionaire boss afford a new cheap sound card?
sounds like you are a liar. cant afford an audigy2? hahahaha. thats rich. but you work with millions of dollars of "KIT" and know the boss personally and he is a millionare and its a small non-public company but you get none of the money i see.
mailroom employees usually get enough to be able to afford an audigy2 platinum. i guess you are the contract nightly floor cleaner hahahahaha. hahahahahah. HAHAHAHAHHAHA.
heh.
No, fuckwad, I have a family to support and alot of expenses your live-at-home-with-mama ass will never know.
Can I bum a sig? I left mine at the office.
BTW my recording card is a Delta 44, my gaming card is a SBL Platinum 5.1. Not the latest, but does what I need. Would probably do well for those pre-pubescent gay .RMs you like to "stream" to as well.
Can I bum a sig? I left mine at the office.
you do not have a family. a pet rock collection and imaginary "friends" doesnt count. nor do animals.
i do not live at home, jackass. ive been out of the gates longer than you've been pretending to "play music." are you in the special olympics for making fucking retarded noises because whenever i read your crap, i read it with a retards slur and drone - it fits so nicely.
so, about now its late and your fat white trash mother is rappig on the floor and sending dust off the 2x4's in your basement abode, go to bed you little shit! she is still pissde she caught you fucking a dog the other day.
yep. cant afford shit. and all your "posessions." i own the moon and 2 Boeing 777's. Did you know that. I can give you a link to the website, thus proving I have two 777's.
yeah, and the sky is red. you lie like a fucking rug, coming here to strut your stuff. but its all hot air and FUCKING BULLSHIT. BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHHAHAHA bullshit artiste!
your assumption i get off streaming music is of course WRONG. all your pseudopsychological crap is bullshit. hahahaha. so far off the mark.
tah tah twerp.
what a fuckin n00bie n00b lewzer. freakish newbie asshole. wat a little fucking slashbot fucking nerd you are. supressed little fag - lil faggit bitch.
newb faggot bitch.
Can I bum a sig? I left mine at the office.
Well, its very appropriate to make mongoloid noises when reading you verbal eructations. It has nothing to do with your insinuation of retardation - its the same thing that causes one to call to an animal such as a dog (a good metaphor for you in this case, my apologies to the Dog-kind) by using primitive commands to beckon it. Here, pooch. Here boy? Girl? Cant tell with you.
You seem to be fixated on pedophilia... Curious. You may want consider your suppressed urges and do something about them in psychotherapy. Death threats, sociopathic tendencies, suppressed homosexuality, a feeling of inadequacy, veiled references to pedophilia. Man, you must be one real-life winner. Christ. And this fantasy about being a worthwhile musician and a claiming to be head of family. Heh. Im snickering my my chair. Heh. You are a fucking classic.
I don't know about you, but when I call to a pet, I do it with a very clear and authoritative voice, not unlike the one I use with other lower life forms like you. If you use guttural or distorted voices when speaking to the animals, it probably says something about you. It also probably scares the hell out of the animals. All the better. If they knew what's good for them, they started running as soon as they saw you.
You do owe the dog-kind apologies, but you know the real reason why. You are not only fixated on the pre-pubescent, you are an animal fetishist as well. You have combined the two and will only mate with underage dogs. Ah well, your mum's been of age for almost two years and she's fair game since your dad, I mean older brother moved out, but she's a special case.
Can I bum a sig? I left mine at the office.
Dude: You such so fucking ugly, that you have to tie a steak around your neck to get dogs to play with you. But what I was alluding to was for Fido, I would say, "here boy, cmon" (not you AlphaSys, you're not a dog, they are a lot smarter). For you I would say naah, hey, nyah, mushnyah argh psbbt. Your retarded ass might understand that as "Stop fingerpainting with your feces."
Now you are adding incest, to death threats and pedophilia and bestiality. Nice guy. Real class act. Your personal problems mustbe deep to think of such coloful tihngs. I suppose its easy to be colorful when speaking from personal experience or fantasy.
Now make sure to wipe off those keys before you go to bed. Fuckin freak.
You're the wulf-kind for certain. Weren't you the one who told us two comments ago how long you'd been "out of the gate"... you can deny your true self only so long before your own language will give you away.
It is so entertaining how you can flip from asinine vulgarity to holier-than-thou in an instant. I guess you have to be inventive if you are the only one who will listen. Are you sure you're not also a latent appliance fetishist? That would limit you to underage robot dogs...
Can I bum a sig? I left mine at the office.
You dont know what out of the gate means because you live at home - you and your sociopathic other selves. Now as far as out of the closet goes, that's something you have to come to terms with and do. It holdsyou back, it really does.
Ive caught you lying here. Embellishing. Etcetera. And you come up with vitriolic attacks to cover the fact I have exposed you for you who are. A fraud. A doll put in the box to die.
Oh, but I'm not murderous when I'm vulgar like you.
You are the ultimate loser. Ultimate. The final chapter in loserdom.
Liar. Fraud. Doppleganger. Sociopath.
you deleted the fucking comment in your journal.
REVISIONIST. you fucking rewrote the past. you have no decency you fucking liar fraud whitewashing propagandist fucking liar.
fucking this is bullshit know nothing fraud shark. fucking liar.
FRAUD LIE CHEAT STEAL fraud lie cheat steal.