I used to be in his boat, we were repeatedly told by the IT VP that (a) the machines belonged to individual departments who dictated policies to IT, and (b) we were forbidden from restricting the users' account permissions in any way.
Competance starts with management, and it usually ends there too.
Citizen Kane is just a movie, as is Gone With the Wind, as were all those films that Turner and whoever else wanted to colorize and alter. They are also part of our culture.
Some of us enjoy them and would like to continue doing so without you and your gloomy band of whiners coming along to piss in the pool.
Some of us might want to be able to pass on and share our cultural history with the generations that follow us.
I love the original movies too. I've watched them more times than I can count and can recite my favorite lines, but it's not my religion.
Who said anything about it being anyone's religion?
I cannot relate to you whiners who consider these films to be some cornerstone of your existence.
Ah, so you're a Star Trek fan then? =P They aren't a cornerstone of existence, they were pretty influential to some kids tho, that is for certain. So you're saying you aren't bothered when art and culture is distorted? What say we update the Mona Lisa? She should have shown some teeth anyway. (Just an example, not comparing the 2 works)
The basic fact of the matter is that a film, book, sculpture, song, painting, whathaveyou, is supposed to be a work of artistic endeavor. When it is released to the public it becomes a part of the cultural landscape. It belongs to all of us at that point.
If he wants constant re-edits, thinks it isn't finished, fine, let him do it. So he starts to look like the Microsoft of film-making what do I care. But in the process he IS destroying a part of our cultural heritage.
I do seem to remember metal Tonka trucks and watching alot of Saturday morning cartoons. Remember when the Bugs Bunny Road-Runner show was an hour and a half long, and had some silly cartoon violence? Guess all that had to end after the adults saw that the streets were littered with the bodies of kids who'd done each other in with anvils and huge falling rocks and the like.
I don't know of any generation that has had more of it's childhood culture altered like this, forgotten is one thing, but altered and diluted?
Why for the love of whatever god you pray to, if any, do you feel the constant desire to further destroy this set of films?
Ok, so maybe it wasn't the best acting or the best special effects or whathaveyou, but for the love of god, man, it was an amazing thing at the time which had an amazing effect on a great number of people!
It put my cousin on the road do his job at NASA, it put me into an Aerospace Engineering program!
There's is nothing to be gained by all this revisionist history other than to make you look like a complete money-grubbing idiot!
Greedo shoots first? WTF?!?!?! Next step is walkie-talkies instead of balsters, that's just fantastic.
Please just stop trashing my and many other's childhoods, and please just go away. You've done enough damage. Nearly everyone who used to love you now curses your name, and the once great ILM is a sad shadow of its former glory.
Begone foul demon.
As much as it pains me, I have no choice but to conclude that you are nothing but a no talent, monyey-grubbing hack, with nothing more to give that destructive remakes of great films. So just bite me, you won't see another dollar of mine.
They are't scared of neighborhood watches either. The local neighborhood watch in my old neighborhood was robbed at gunpoint TWICE, despite having walkie-talkies, celphones and 2 dogs. They were predictable, unobservant and clueless.
Get the local PD to TRAIN any neigborhood watches, otherwise they just turn out to be victims.
Still think the university has no say over what you have in your dorm?
I really don't care. They have ZERO right to tell me what I can't do in the property they DON'T own, manage, or lease to me. So basically they don't have a case, they DON'T own the apartments in question.
Maybe I'm just crazy here, but isn't that their blasted job?! They are chosen to represent us in the government, if I want someone who can't be bothered I could just write in one of my neighbors!
Any elected rep who either misses votes without good reason or doesn't get him/herself informed about WHAT exactly they are voting on needs to be open to class action lawsuits by those they represent, because they have obviously violated their agreement with their constituants.
I for one am all over this, please please please let the operational state of my crappy ISP's routers determine whether or not I can get any work done!
"Sorry boss, I can't get that report to you cuz some part of the internet's down."
...because your gear can be replaced. Chances are if you are living in student housing all your stuff is covered under your parent's home-owners insurance. If you're renting off campus, drop the $100-200 a year for renters insurance. Worth the peace of mind.
Remember, your laptop can be replaced pretty easily, a whole semester's worth of work can't.
Aye, I think we'd have quite a good evening over a few beers at the local. Ironic that my original post was modded a troll =P
people as a whole are fairly easy to manipulate
I don't know about easy, but it can be done
Do some checking into the early workings of Nazi-ism in pre-war Germany, especially the writings of Himmler (what a bastard). Unfortunately he was real accurate when he speculated that if there was a percieved danger and a group to blame, you can easily lead a nation to war. Scary stuff.
You sir, get a tip of the hat *tips hat*. I rarely get a decent debate these days.
That said...
I'm not certain how well the "tribal" concept of laboring for the groups benefit scales into both this modern age and the size of the poplous. Imagine for a moment how much and how vastly different the types of labor go into making a car, or for that matter even something simple like a wrench. Such a system would require a vast overhaul in ours and possibly the world's economy as well I think.
"if I make something, should I not benefit in proportion to the value of what I have created?"
Ignoring wages for the moment, it used to be the case that it was common for employees to recieve bonuses or profit sharing and even stock in the company, stock that actually paid dividends (heaven forbid). The point being, the business does well, the employees reap that reward. Or at least that used to be the way it was. Now execs just rape the company and move on to the next high paying victim.
In this light, what this guy did with his chalk is perfect, as most people would not consider that vandalism, and it got him enormous publicity and probably a lot of popular sympathy and support.
I think the bicycle guy was doing a fantastic thing with his tactics. Creative and effective. The fact that he was being reported on by the news crew was testament to the effective ness of getting the attention he wanted for his message. Now the powers that be have probably stepped in it big-time with his arrest.
But that is equivalent to abolishing corporate property. What you would have is not corporate property, it would be personal property owned jointly by the owners of the corporation. I agree completely that this is the immediate goal we should be working toward. After that, we can go further if possible, but right now, corporations need to be held accountable in a real way for their actions, otherwise we're in big trouble.
Merely a change in the definition of corporation from a single lawful entity to what you describe above. I fail to see the need for these corporate citizens. And yes, corporations (and their officers) need to be held accountable, very accountable.
I'm just urging you to have more respect for the opinions of others, that's all.
I do have respect for the opinions of others. But respect is earned, and an opinion blindly held without any examination or forethought is a dangerous thing. *Insert fanatic group here* is a fine example. The very fact that you are able to carry on a reasonable and cogent debate is reason enough to view YOUR opinions with more weight than someone who just shouts "anyone but Bush" or whatever, but can't support his/her argument.
Well, if you really want to get down to brass tacks, the greatest threat to our freedom is corporate power.
I hear you there, this multinational megacorp thing scares the crap out of me. Just the things I hear about at the Olympic with advertising is a good example and sickens me.
However, corporate power is rooted, partly at least, in deeply elitist attitudes and contempt for the opinions of the "unwashed masses," or the "bewildered herd," as they are sometimes called. This attitude is the cause of much trouble in the world, and I oppose it whenever possible.
I would tend to think that corporate power is more rooted in maintaining the status quo and simple manipulative greed. Make or take whatever advantage you can find or manufacture so long as you can add a dollar to the coffers. I don't believe that any corporation would pay enough attention to any "common man's" opinion to even be bothered to view it with contempt. And you must remember that people as a whole are fairly easy to manipulate, and far too often those who don't know any better are taken advantage of. Opinions are commonplace, educated opinions are what we need more of.
"I suppose that's your idea of a proportional response, is it? Do you shoot kids who play on your lawn too?"
Simply for emphasis. If anyone were to attempt anything like that, there _would_ be a confrontation, the outcome of which is left to the protester. Playing =! vandalism.
OK, kidding aside, you make some valid points, so I'll address them.
I appreciate that.
Though I don't recognize the legitimacy of private property,
How? This I just don't understand. So you what, leave your home unlocked and the keys in your car? If I create something is it not mine?
particularly corporate property
Still confusing, but I must say that I highly disagree with corporations being treated as people with respect to the law.
(if it was me, I would have spray-painted the message on Starbucks windows),
As much as I hate Starbucks, the only person you hurt there is the poor shlubs who work there, the corporate office won't care.
I do recognize the value of labor, so this is a legitimate point.
But not material property? Which is often the result of labor?
However, it's simply a matter of relative value.
Very loaded statment. Relative value could be anything. Britney Spears has ZERO value to me, but appears to carry some value with others.
At this point, denouncing the Bush admin is more important than the labor it takes to repaint a building or whatever.
Tell that to the poor kid who won't get his nickle raise at Starbucks because so much budget had to go into repainting graphiti.
Now, we can argue tactics if you want,
And we are =P
you can say this is not an effective means of denouncing the administration and you may be right.
My opinion of anyone who acts in such a manner would be fairly low. And as a concequence, there may be damage to the reputation of the ideal that any protester wishes to advance, if they use such tactics. Respect is earned.
However, in terms of moral justification, I say sacrificing the paint job on a few buildings is a small price to pay to spread an anti-Bush message.
But who's paying, and who is drawing the line? Spraypaint, window breaking? What else? Remeber there are people who think dynomiting a clinic or shooting a doctor is an appropriate response to the abortion issue, which to some is far more important that Bush/Kerry.
If you want the guy to do the work to repaint afterward, I think that would be fair.
Fair is approaching the property owner in advance to solicit his help with your cause. Its just basic manners.
Actually, this is a common misconception. The word "civil" in this case refers to disobedience to "civil authority," not to being polite or respectful or anything like that. Civil disobedience is often what some would consider "uncivil" in the sense of being rude or socially inappropriate.
I was actually thinking more along the lines of civil as in civilized, of or part of a civilization. Something that won't last if people continue to not be able to get along in a peaceful fashion. Civil authority yes, but only because we are civilized.
As for books, I would recommend "The Disposessed" by Ursula K. LeGuin, and "Ishmael" by Daniel Quinn.
I'll have to check those out, thankfully my new job leaves me enough time to get back into reading =P
I addressed this earlier. I think it would indeed be better to accomplish a dual purpose, by breaking an immoral law at the same time. For that purpose, I would recommend defacing only corporate property, as I definitely think the laws protecting corporate "personhood" are immoral and should be abolished,
Agreed who-heartedly as far as corporate personhood is concerned. But defacing corporate property will only trickle down to either higher prices or lower wages for the employees. Being a threat to someo
First, downloading has (at this point) been ruled as legal.
Second, if that's the case. Any RIAA droid can hop on Kazaa, hunt for an artist they represent, then hit "more from same user". If the number of results (files of "their" artists) exceeds a certain number (30-40 files no big deal, 10K files? different story), then I guess they phone the hounds.
They have to file the suit as a John Doe until such time as the real identity of "SwapMaster237" or whatever is determined.
I'm no laywer but wouldn't this all fall under the discovery process? Determining the true ID and all? I'm pretty curious how the whole process works.
I'm kindof tired of being lumped in with the "anybody but Bush" crowd.
More correctly I'm with the "anybody but a poli-fucking-tician" crowd.
Untrustworthy, lying, scheming, self-agrandizing SOB's the lot of them.
I mean really, my choices are a "c" student and someone who can't be bothered to show up to work?
Cripes! This is supposed to be the greatest country on earth and THIS?!!? is the best we can come up with??? I'd rather vote for the guy who runs the corner store.
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Anyone looking for a fixer-upper about 200 feet from the Chesapeake Bay?
High ground here I come!
So how exactly would this apply to minors? What if the buyer is under the legal age to enter into such an agreement or contract?
I used to be in his boat, we were repeatedly told by the IT VP that (a) the machines belonged to individual departments who dictated policies to IT, and (b) we were forbidden from restricting the users' account permissions in any way.
Competance starts with management, and it usually ends there too.
They're movies, for fuck's sake.
Citizen Kane is just a movie, as is Gone With the Wind, as were all those films that Turner and whoever else wanted to colorize and alter. They are also part of our culture.
Some of us enjoy them and would like to continue doing so without you and your gloomy band of whiners coming along to piss in the pool.
Some of us might want to be able to pass on and share our cultural history with the generations that follow us.
I love the original movies too. I've watched them more times than I can count and can recite my favorite lines, but it's not my religion.
Who said anything about it being anyone's religion?
I cannot relate to you whiners who consider these films to be some cornerstone of your existence.
Ah, so you're a Star Trek fan then? =P They aren't a cornerstone of existence, they were pretty influential to some kids tho, that is for certain. So you're saying you aren't bothered when art and culture is distorted? What say we update the Mona Lisa? She should have shown some teeth anyway. (Just an example, not comparing the 2 works)
The basic fact of the matter is that a film, book, sculpture, song, painting, whathaveyou, is supposed to be a work of artistic endeavor. When it is released to the public it becomes a part of the cultural landscape. It belongs to all of us at that point.
If he wants constant re-edits, thinks it isn't finished, fine, let him do it. So he starts to look like the Microsoft of film-making what do I care. But in the process he IS destroying a part of our cultural heritage.
How about we start revising history next?
" I think that if he wants to go back and make the movie he really wanted, go for it."
So why doesn't he do that? Instead of stupid bandaid editing and sub-par computer animation, why doesn't he just remake the entire damn film?
It's not like no one ever remakes a movie. But then movies shouldn't have version numbers like software. How many versions are we up to now?
I do seem to remember metal Tonka trucks and watching alot of Saturday morning cartoons. Remember when the Bugs Bunny Road-Runner show was an hour and a half long, and had some silly cartoon violence? Guess all that had to end after the adults saw that the streets were littered with the bodies of kids who'd done each other in with anvils and huge falling rocks and the like.
I don't know of any generation that has had more of it's childhood culture altered like this, forgotten is one thing, but altered and diluted?
Dear George,
Piss the hell off.
Why for the love of whatever god you pray to, if any, do you feel the constant desire to further destroy this set of films?
Ok, so maybe it wasn't the best acting or the best special effects or whathaveyou, but for the love of god, man, it was an amazing thing at the time which had an amazing effect on a great number of people!
It put my cousin on the road do his job at NASA, it put me into an Aerospace Engineering program!
There's is nothing to be gained by all this revisionist history other than to make you look like a complete money-grubbing idiot!
Greedo shoots first? WTF?!?!?! Next step is walkie-talkies instead of balsters, that's just fantastic.
Please just stop trashing my and many other's childhoods, and please just go away. You've done enough damage. Nearly everyone who used to love you now curses your name, and the once great ILM is a sad shadow of its former glory.
Begone foul demon.
As much as it pains me, I have no choice but to conclude that you are nothing but a no talent, monyey-grubbing hack, with nothing more to give that destructive remakes of great films. So just bite me, you won't see another dollar of mine.
Bastard.
This isn't a troll, it's a heart-felt responce.
Considering I said "weapon" and not "gun" or "firearm" you've obviously read too much into my reply.
Weapons are everywhere, check your kitchen or your basement one day.
Which would you prefer your assailant use: an aluminum baseball bat, a butcher knife, or a gun?
It's likely he could get the first 2 in your home, further from you than your gun would usually be.
Better to have a weapon and never need it, than to be lacking one when you really do need it.
They are't scared of neighborhood watches either. The local neighborhood watch in my old neighborhood was robbed at gunpoint TWICE, despite having walkie-talkies, celphones and 2 dogs. They were predictable, unobservant and clueless.
Get the local PD to TRAIN any neigborhood watches, otherwise they just turn out to be victims.
Still think the university has no say over what you have in your dorm?
I really don't care. They have ZERO right to tell me what I can't do in the property they DON'T own, manage, or lease to me. So basically they don't have a case, they DON'T own the apartments in question.
Maybe I'm just crazy here, but isn't that their blasted job?! They are chosen to represent us in the government, if I want someone who can't be bothered I could just write in one of my neighbors!
Any elected rep who either misses votes without good reason or doesn't get him/herself informed about WHAT exactly they are voting on needs to be open to class action lawsuits by those they represent, because they have obviously violated their agreement with their constituants.
screen doors
LOL! sign me up! Boy do I smell "class action lawsuit" just written all over this baby!
I for one am all over this, please please please let the operational state of my crappy ISP's routers determine whether or not I can get any work done!
"Sorry boss, I can't get that report to you cuz some part of the internet's down."
Tee hee!
I wonder about incoming calls tho....
Imagine being on the plane, and one of your idiot friends phones in a bomb threat to you from a payphone.
How about: "We just started taxiing in, I'll see you in 5 minutes?"
That should be fun for Nextels, I usually get 30-40 seconds of "Please hold while the subsciber is located" as it is, I can't imagine adding aircraft.
I prefer stairing out the window myself....
/Rod
*ring*
911 Operator: "Emergency Services, how can I halp you?"
Me: "MY GOD! There's something on the wing!!!"
...because your gear can be replaced. Chances are if you are living in student housing all your stuff is covered under your parent's home-owners insurance. If you're renting off campus, drop the $100-200 a year for renters insurance. Worth the peace of mind.
Remember, your laptop can be replaced pretty easily, a whole semester's worth of work can't.
Aye, I think we'd have quite a good evening over a few beers at the local. Ironic that my original post was modded a troll =P
people as a whole are fairly easy to manipulate
I don't know about easy, but it can be done
Do some checking into the early workings of Nazi-ism in pre-war Germany, especially the writings of Himmler (what a bastard). Unfortunately he was real accurate when he speculated that if there was a percieved danger and a group to blame, you can easily lead a nation to war. Scary stuff.
-St0rmShad0w, resident of occupied north america
You sir, get a tip of the hat *tips hat*. I rarely get a decent debate these days.
That said...
I'm not certain how well the "tribal" concept of laboring for the groups benefit scales into both this modern age and the size of the poplous. Imagine for a moment how much and how vastly different the types of labor go into making a car, or for that matter even something simple like a wrench. Such a system would require a vast overhaul in ours and possibly the world's economy as well I think.
"if I make something, should I not benefit in proportion to the value of what I have created?"
Ignoring wages for the moment, it used to be the case that it was common for employees to recieve bonuses or profit sharing and even stock in the company, stock that actually paid dividends (heaven forbid). The point being, the business does well, the employees reap that reward. Or at least that used to be the way it was. Now execs just rape the company and move on to the next high paying victim.
In this light, what this guy did with his chalk is perfect, as most people would not consider that vandalism, and it got him enormous publicity and probably a lot of popular sympathy and support.
I think the bicycle guy was doing a fantastic thing with his tactics. Creative and effective. The fact that he was being reported on by the news crew was testament to the effective ness of getting the attention he wanted for his message. Now the powers that be have probably stepped in it big-time with his arrest.
But that is equivalent to abolishing corporate property. What you would have is not corporate property, it would be personal property owned jointly by the owners of the corporation. I agree completely that this is the immediate goal we should be working toward. After that, we can go further if possible, but right now, corporations need to be held accountable in a real way for their actions, otherwise we're in big trouble.
Merely a change in the definition of corporation from a single lawful entity to what you describe above. I fail to see the need for these corporate citizens. And yes, corporations (and their officers) need to be held accountable, very accountable.
I'm just urging you to have more respect for the opinions of others, that's all.
I do have respect for the opinions of others. But respect is earned, and an opinion blindly held without any examination or forethought is a dangerous thing. *Insert fanatic group here* is a fine example. The very fact that you are able to carry on a reasonable and cogent debate is reason enough to view YOUR opinions with more weight than someone who just shouts "anyone but Bush" or whatever, but can't support his/her argument.
Well, if you really want to get down to brass tacks, the greatest threat to our freedom is corporate power.
I hear you there, this multinational megacorp thing scares the crap out of me. Just the things I hear about at the Olympic with advertising is a good example and sickens me.
However, corporate power is rooted, partly at least, in deeply elitist attitudes and contempt for the opinions of the "unwashed masses," or the "bewildered herd," as they are sometimes called. This attitude is the cause of much trouble in the world, and I oppose it whenever possible.
I would tend to think that corporate power is more rooted in maintaining the status quo and simple manipulative greed. Make or take whatever advantage you can find or manufacture so long as you can add a dollar to the coffers. I don't believe that any corporation would pay enough attention to any "common man's" opinion to even be bothered to view it with contempt. And you must remember that people as a whole are fairly easy to manipulate, and far too often those who don't know any better are taken advantage of. Opinions are commonplace, educated opinions are what we need more of.
"I suppose that's your idea of a proportional response, is it? Do you shoot kids who play on your lawn too?"
Simply for emphasis. If anyone were to attempt anything like that, there _would_ be a confrontation, the outcome of which is left to the protester. Playing =! vandalism.
OK, kidding aside, you make some valid points, so I'll address them.
I appreciate that.
Though I don't recognize the legitimacy of private property,
How? This I just don't understand. So you what, leave your home unlocked and the keys in your car? If I create something is it not mine?
particularly corporate property
Still confusing, but I must say that I highly disagree with corporations being treated as people with respect to the law.
(if it was me, I would have spray-painted the message on Starbucks windows),
As much as I hate Starbucks, the only person you hurt there is the poor shlubs who work there, the corporate office won't care.
I do recognize the value of labor, so this is a legitimate point.
But not material property? Which is often the result of labor?
However, it's simply a matter of relative value.
Very loaded statment. Relative value could be anything. Britney Spears has ZERO value to me, but appears to carry some value with others.
At this point, denouncing the Bush admin is more important than the labor it takes to repaint a building or whatever.
Tell that to the poor kid who won't get his nickle raise at Starbucks because so much budget had to go into repainting graphiti.
Now, we can argue tactics if you want,
And we are =P
you can say this is not an effective means of denouncing the administration and you may be right.
My opinion of anyone who acts in such a manner would be fairly low. And as a concequence, there may be damage to the reputation of the ideal that any protester wishes to advance, if they use such tactics. Respect is earned.
However, in terms of moral justification, I say sacrificing the paint job on a few buildings is a small price to pay to spread an anti-Bush message.
But who's paying, and who is drawing the line? Spraypaint, window breaking? What else? Remeber there are people who think dynomiting a clinic or shooting a doctor is an appropriate response to the abortion issue, which to some is far more important that Bush/Kerry.
If you want the guy to do the work to repaint afterward, I think that would be fair.
Fair is approaching the property owner in advance to solicit his help with your cause. Its just basic manners.
Actually, this is a common misconception. The word "civil" in this case refers to disobedience to "civil authority," not to being polite or respectful or anything like that. Civil disobedience is often what some would consider "uncivil" in the sense of being rude or socially inappropriate.
I was actually thinking more along the lines of civil as in civilized, of or part of a civilization. Something that won't last if people continue to not be able to get along in a peaceful fashion. Civil authority yes, but only because we are civilized.
As for books, I would recommend "The Disposessed" by Ursula K. LeGuin, and "Ishmael" by Daniel Quinn.
I'll have to check those out, thankfully my new job leaves me enough time to get back into reading =P
I addressed this earlier. I think it would indeed be better to accomplish a dual purpose, by breaking an immoral law at the same time. For that purpose, I would recommend defacing only corporate property, as I definitely think the laws protecting corporate "personhood" are immoral and should be abolished,
Agreed who-heartedly as far as corporate personhood is concerned. But defacing corporate property will only trickle down to either higher prices or lower wages for the employees. Being a threat to someo
First, downloading has (at this point) been ruled as legal.
Second, if that's the case. Any RIAA droid can hop on Kazaa, hunt for an artist they represent, then hit "more from same user". If the number of results (files of "their" artists) exceeds a certain number (30-40 files no big deal, 10K files? different story), then I guess they phone the hounds.
They have to file the suit as a John Doe until such time as the real identity of "SwapMaster237" or whatever is determined.
I'm no laywer but wouldn't this all fall under the discovery process? Determining the true ID and all? I'm pretty curious how the whole process works.
I'm kindof tired of being lumped in with the "anybody but Bush" crowd.
More correctly I'm with the "anybody but a poli-fucking-tician" crowd.
Untrustworthy, lying, scheming, self-agrandizing SOB's the lot of them.
I mean really, my choices are a "c" student and someone who can't be bothered to show up to work?
Cripes! This is supposed to be the greatest country on earth and THIS?!!? is the best we can come up with??? I'd rather vote for the guy who runs the corner store.