well, here is what everyone is missing. the government might have buckled on ms, but they buckled on aol a long time ago. so tell me, which would you rather have staring over your shoulder? for me, its microsoft. and while all of you are shaking in your boots about Microsoft Earth, you fail to remember that AOL TW is still roaming the planet, and top that with Linux, and just a better overall understanding by IT peeps when it comes to alternatives, and VOILA!
and if anyone thinks that i am being overly optimistic, just reread through the 98723897 overly pesimistic posts.
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that is complete blah blah. the only people who find themselves locked out of webpages in the future is netscape 4.x and webtv users. i just recently developed a site myself, and i used ie5 as my primary browser for testing. but guess what, it looks great in any ie browser. but wait, thats not all! it also looked perfect in netscape 6 and opera. the only browser that had a problem with it was 4.x, and i spent hours trying to get it to work. its not about more users using ie, its about less users using 4.x, which absolutely blows. as soon as that series finally dies the death it has needed for several years, you will hear a large sigh of relief from webdevs everywhere.
because only us dorks on slashdot are going to get in a discussion about this meaningless little bit of triva with the movie.
in other news, could it be that in exactly five years, the earth is in the same place in the sky as it is now, with the same side of earth pointing the same direction, and maybe in five years, k-pax is in the same place in the sky as it is now, with the same side of k-pax pointing the same direction. because you don't know k-pax's rate of rotation or revolution, you have no idea if this is valid. so why don't we agree that prot knows a lot more about it than we do, being that he knows both sides of the equation, and move on with our lives.
its interesting to see two companies trying to do the same thing, but coming from different directions.
ms is an os company for the most part, and they are now trying to force their way into owning everything using their dominance in the os market, via passport and msn.
aol is an isp, and they are, albiet slowly, pusing their way into owning everything using their dominance in the isp market, via "aol everywhere"
doesn't do it for me. it redirects to the msn search page when the domain won't resolve or something like that, but 404s come back as 404s unless you set it up not to.
also it only redirects to the msn search page because i have been too lazy to change it. you have an option where you can pick one of the major search engines instead of msn.
fyi, finale and cakewalk are not audio mixing programs. cakewalk is midi, and finale, while it may also be used for midi, is mostly for score production. i don't know about cakewalk, but i am pretty sure that finale will not be moving to linux any time soon.
and looking through the comments, i agree with whomever said macs are the way to go. i don't want to get off on a rant here, but most of the OSes have their place, and macs dominate multimedia. not only that, but osx is a bsd system, so there you have it, best of both worlds.
besides the obvious fact that it is speaking of components and not the editor itself, lets take into account how many anti-microsoft people are going to be using frontpage to make a webpage.
i mean, the odds of that happening are about the same as a slashdot editor/user actually reading the article they are commenting on.
thats bull. dreamweaver is just as robust as homesite. i agree with you that frontpage is poopy, but dw's code editor is just as nice as homesite's. maybe not out of the box, but macromedia has given you the option of adding things to make it that way. being pro-linux, i would have thought you would like this. dreamweaver allows you to add all kinds of customization, either by downloading some that are already premade or allowing you to make them yourself!
TWO...i have never, EVER, understood this facination with webdev's thinking they are only hardcore if they code in pure html. DW code in WYSIWYG is clean. Cleaner than i can code by hand, because i am prone to make a mistake. even more important, if i can click a button, fill out some boxes, and have a perfectly formatted 4x4 table in probably 5 seconds, where it would take me much longer to type all of that out by hand, why not use it? especially because i know it is going to be perfect!
when you are using php, asp, jsp, or cf, yes, you need something like homesite, although dreamweaver is right there with it. however, when you need to design, which is part of the development process, dreamweaver beats all.
besides, it really doesn't matter too much soon, since macromedia now owns homesite, so you will see dreamweaver 5 with the code editor straight from homesite. so welcome to the family!
yeah, i already play my mp3's through my stereo. i plug the aux out of my sound card into the aux in of my stereo. and there is 0 latency! and i only had to spend $2 or so at Radio Shack to get a headphone-jack-to-rca-jack converter.
First, *any* attachment with *any* extension will trigger the dialog...
that is complete and total bullshit. i have been using oe for years and none of the attatchments i receive trigger any sort of automatic dialog box. i have to click on the things for that to happen. and yes, that is the default setting. anyone who is automatically getting a dialog box that they are going to tune out set it up themselves, and thus deserves to get reamed. -
sean
but xml was not designed to replace databases. to store everything in an xml format is a bad idea. you store it in a database, and pass the variables into an xml document, then parse that with an xsl or xhtml. xml is a transport, not a storage. -
sean
MS has been bitched at for years by exploiting the fact that they make software for their own OS. Which means they can optimize their software for their own OS. Which is what, in part, gets them into hot water, because no one else can. So now they have shared CE and some sort of NT source if I recall correctly. Which means you can now optimize your software to run on their OS. This has nothing to do with having different flavors of Windows running around, but everything to do with having all software on equal footing, if the developer is so inclined. -
sean
I work for a contractor which provides IT to county government. i am a webdev, and the web team goes on training 3-4 times a year. the classes either consist of something they need or something we think we can impliment in the future. we also get to take a monthly "field trip" to Barnes & Noble to get any books that we might want/need. our manager also set up some online training for the entire programming department...it has a good range of classes for pretty much anything, and we can take as many as we want up until the contract runs out. we also can take them whenever we want, as long as it doesn't interfere with something pressing.
if you are looking for regular training, government is the only way to go. -
sean
you know, i'll admit right up front that i am a Microsoft fan, so maybe i can see what they are doing here a little more clearly.
TROLL!!!
They are trolling, and every person in the linux community is biting. not only that, but biting and biting for months on end. even going so far as to form a "roundtable discussion" for a response. do you actually think MS didn't know what the reaction would be? they were counting on it. they get bashed and bashed over and over and sit and take it. then they suddenly bash back, and everyone goes into a frenzy. which, to an uninformed public, looks better? more mature?
if you were a CIO, which would you want? someone who makes an okay product, and who sits and takes criticism calmly...or someone who makes a great, free product, but any time anyone says anything negative, or even just constructive, they go into a fit, stop up their ears, close their eyes and scream to the high heavens so they might not have to face the cold reality that their Godlike OS(tm) might not be as perfect as they believed. so here is some advice from a windows whore...
In that case, how can we consider Microsoft a monopoly anymore? According to you, their position is so weakened that they couldn't force anyone to do anything they wanted, and with the "advancement" of linux and the "domination" of palm, why should we the consumer be at all worried?
On a side note, linux is "advancing fast and furious" perhaps, but it is only in the SERVER field of play. MS's control of the desktop is still undenyable. And on the PDA market, the Compaq, a PocketPC device, is beating Palm in sales! And the comment about.NET? Which people? Those who read Slashdot? I work in a 80% MS environment, and let me tell you, all any of the uppers talk about is.NET. And I work for government! Talk about irony.
Don't discount MS just because your/.'ed view of the world distorts your perception of the real world. -
sean
the reason they want you to update is because they are now only blocking files they have been told to block with the new client. so actually there are more files online now than there were
of course, no one really uses napster anymore, so its sort of moot and definately overdue. -
sean
That's great if you're trying to consolidate your monopoly position, but it does absolutely no good whatsoever for the advancement of anything whatsoever.
Think about this for a second. When you drive somewhere, you get in on the left side, the wheel is in front of you, gas is on the right, brake is on the left. pretty simple. but what if the car world had many different options like the os world. you get into a friend's car (or you buy a new one) and the wheel is in the back, or the gas is on the left, or you have to get in through the trunk. okay, maybe not so bad, because that is just two variations. but now double that, and then double that. just because you can make something with infinate variations doesn't mean you should, and i think that is where most of the ms cats are coming from. -
sean
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well, here is what everyone is missing. the government might have buckled on ms, but they buckled on aol a long time ago. so tell me, which would you rather have staring over your shoulder? for me, its microsoft. and while all of you are shaking in your boots about Microsoft Earth, you fail to remember that AOL TW is still roaming the planet, and top that with Linux, and just a better overall understanding by IT peeps when it comes to alternatives, and VOILA!
and if anyone thinks that i am being overly optimistic, just reread through the 98723897 overly pesimistic posts.
that is complete blah blah. the only people who find themselves locked out of webpages in the future is netscape 4.x and webtv users. i just recently developed a site myself, and i used ie5 as my primary browser for testing. but guess what, it looks great in any ie browser. but wait, thats not all! it also looked perfect in netscape 6 and opera. the only browser that had a problem with it was 4.x, and i spent hours trying to get it to work. its not about more users using ie, its about less users using 4.x, which absolutely blows. as soon as that series finally dies the death it has needed for several years, you will hear a large sigh of relief from webdevs everywhere.
because only us dorks on slashdot are going to get in a discussion about this meaningless little bit of triva with the movie.
in other news, could it be that in exactly five years, the earth is in the same place in the sky as it is now, with the same side of earth pointing the same direction, and maybe in five years, k-pax is in the same place in the sky as it is now, with the same side of k-pax pointing the same direction. because you don't know k-pax's rate of rotation or revolution, you have no idea if this is valid. so why don't we agree that prot knows a lot more about it than we do, being that he knows both sides of the equation, and move on with our lives.
its interesting to see two companies trying to do the same thing, but coming from different directions.
ms is an os company for the most part, and they are now trying to force their way into owning everything using their dominance in the os market, via passport and msn.
aol is an isp, and they are, albiet slowly, pusing their way into owning everything using their dominance in the isp market, via "aol everywhere"
so, which would you rather have?
doesn't do it for me. it redirects to the msn search page when the domain won't resolve or something like that, but 404s come back as 404s unless you set it up not to.
also it only redirects to the msn search page because i have been too lazy to change it. you have an option where you can pick one of the major search engines instead of msn.
fyi, finale and cakewalk are not audio mixing programs. cakewalk is midi, and finale, while it may also be used for midi, is mostly for score production. i don't know about cakewalk, but i am pretty sure that finale will not be moving to linux any time soon.
and looking through the comments, i agree with whomever said macs are the way to go. i don't want to get off on a rant here, but most of the OSes have their place, and macs dominate multimedia. not only that, but osx is a bsd system, so there you have it, best of both worlds.
besides the obvious fact that it is speaking of components and not the editor itself, lets take into account how many anti-microsoft people are going to be using frontpage to make a webpage.
i mean, the odds of that happening are about the same as a slashdot editor/user actually reading the article they are commenting on.
thats bull. dreamweaver is just as robust as homesite. i agree with you that frontpage is poopy, but dw's code editor is just as nice as homesite's. maybe not out of the box, but macromedia has given you the option of adding things to make it that way. being pro-linux, i would have thought you would like this. dreamweaver allows you to add all kinds of customization, either by downloading some that are already premade or allowing you to make them yourself!
TWO...i have never, EVER, understood this facination with webdev's thinking they are only hardcore if they code in pure html. DW code in WYSIWYG is clean. Cleaner than i can code by hand, because i am prone to make a mistake. even more important, if i can click a button, fill out some boxes, and have a perfectly formatted 4x4 table in probably 5 seconds, where it would take me much longer to type all of that out by hand, why not use it? especially because i know it is going to be perfect!
when you are using php, asp, jsp, or cf, yes, you need something like homesite, although dreamweaver is right there with it. however, when you need to design, which is part of the development process, dreamweaver beats all.
besides, it really doesn't matter too much soon, since macromedia now owns homesite, so you will see dreamweaver 5 with the code editor straight from homesite. so welcome to the family!
don't forget the fact that aol is foaming at the mouth for Yahoo! Check it:
i s?STRING=aoltimewarneryahoo.com&STRING=Search
http://www.networksolutions.com/cgi-bin/whois/who
Forget Microsoft. Fear AOL.
yeah, i already play my mp3's through my stereo. i plug the aux out of my sound card into the aux in of my stereo. and there is 0 latency! and i only had to spend $2 or so at Radio Shack to get a headphone-jack-to-rca-jack converter.
First, *any* attachment with *any* extension will trigger the dialog...
that is complete and total bullshit. i have been using oe for years and none of the attatchments i receive trigger any sort of automatic dialog box. i have to click on the things for that to happen. and yes, that is the default setting. anyone who is automatically getting a dialog box that they are going to tune out set it up themselves, and thus deserves to get reamed.
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sean
but xml was not designed to replace databases. to store everything in an xml format is a bad idea. you store it in a database, and pass the variables into an xml document, then parse that with an xsl or xhtml. xml is a transport, not a storage.
-
sean
MS has been bitched at for years by exploiting the fact that they make software for their own OS. Which means they can optimize their software for their own OS. Which is what, in part, gets them into hot water, because no one else can. So now they have shared CE and some sort of NT source if I recall correctly. Which means you can now optimize your software to run on their OS. This has nothing to do with having different flavors of Windows running around, but everything to do with having all software on equal footing, if the developer is so inclined.
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sean
works wonders...really
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sean
I work for a contractor which provides IT to county government. i am a webdev, and the web team goes on training 3-4 times a year. the classes either consist of something they need or something we think we can impliment in the future. we also get to take a monthly "field trip" to Barnes & Noble to get any books that we might want/need. our manager also set up some online training for the entire programming department...it has a good range of classes for pretty much anything, and we can take as many as we want up until the contract runs out. we also can take them whenever we want, as long as it doesn't interfere with something pressing.
if you are looking for regular training, government is the only way to go.
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sean
you know, i'll admit right up front that i am a Microsoft fan, so maybe i can see what they are doing here a little more clearly.
TROLL!!!
They are trolling, and every person in the linux community is biting. not only that, but biting and biting for months on end. even going so far as to form a "roundtable discussion" for a response. do you actually think MS didn't know what the reaction would be? they were counting on it. they get bashed and bashed over and over and sit and take it. then they suddenly bash back, and everyone goes into a frenzy. which, to an uninformed public, looks better? more mature?
if you were a CIO, which would you want? someone who makes an okay product, and who sits and takes criticism calmly...or someone who makes a great, free product, but any time anyone says anything negative, or even just constructive, they go into a fit, stop up their ears, close their eyes and scream to the high heavens so they might not have to face the cold reality that their Godlike OS(tm) might not be as perfect as they believed. so here is some advice from a windows whore...
STOP TAKING THE BAIT!!!!!!
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sean
In that case, how can we consider Microsoft a monopoly anymore? According to you, their position is so weakened that they couldn't force anyone to do anything they wanted, and with the "advancement" of linux and the "domination" of palm, why should we the consumer be at all worried?
.NET? Which people? Those who read Slashdot? I work in a 80% MS environment, and let me tell you, all any of the uppers talk about is .NET. And I work for government! Talk about irony.
/.'ed view of the world distorts your perception of the real world.
On a side note, linux is "advancing fast and furious" perhaps, but it is only in the SERVER field of play. MS's control of the desktop is still undenyable. And on the PDA market, the Compaq, a PocketPC device, is beating Palm in sales! And the comment about
Don't discount MS just because your
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sean
the reason they want you to update is because they are now only blocking files they have been told to block with the new client. so actually there are more files online now than there were
of course, no one really uses napster anymore, so its sort of moot and definately overdue.
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sean
what happened to the woman that quit?
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sean
That's great if you're trying to consolidate your monopoly position, but it does absolutely no good whatsoever for the advancement of anything whatsoever.
Think about this for a second. When you drive somewhere, you get in on the left side, the wheel is in front of you, gas is on the right, brake is on the left. pretty simple. but what if the car world had many different options like the os world. you get into a friend's car (or you buy a new one) and the wheel is in the back, or the gas is on the left, or you have to get in through the trunk. okay, maybe not so bad, because that is just two variations. but now double that, and then double that. just because you can make something with infinate variations doesn't mean you should, and i think that is where most of the ms cats are coming from.
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sean
What is your name?
What is your quest?
What is the average airspeed of an unladden swallow?
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sean