Are you insane ? Basic logic shows us that any "fair" system must balance 2 things. It cannot neglect one for the other. Which is exactly what you do.
1) it must maximize wealth creation (obviously critically important) 2) it must distribute that wealth "fairly" among a number of people, and systems (e.g. money needs to go to police as a whole too)
Obviously the way capitalism works is by making concessions (but not too large, see progressive income tax and such) on point 2 in order to have more wealth to divide. It's been by an order of magnitude more succesfull than any other system. (An american "poor" person has a 2 bedroom apartment, a car and multiple tv's and computers on average).
Capitalism accepts temporary unfairness by creating rules that WILL even out the population in the long term.
The way communism (and socialism) works is by just using violence to do everything the way "it should be done". Which obviously immediately translates to the way a certain person or small group of persons thinks it should be done. This is what you're advocating. And yes, in theory it can be done better. However we are only human, and any socialist system will fail. It may take a while, but it's fall is inevitable. Don't ask what happens if an economy collapses, you don't want to know. Perhaps consult some people who've been to Zimbabwe. Iran is also in serious danger of having it's economy "fail", so perhaps there will be lots of people to ask what happens in that case too soon.
Is a person with a personal car, a 2 bedroom apartment, and multiple tv's and computers really "poor" ? In a lot of countries such a person would be considered very wealthy. E.g. in Iran.
Hello, Iran is a dictatorship because the "supreme leader" is calling all the shots - for life. He determines who can get elected.
Imagine Bush doing the same, only candidates approved by Bush can be elected. There are 5 of them : his son, 3 nephews, and his former secretary. You can't vote for anyone else. Would you call this "democratic" ?
This, with Bush crossed out and "Khamenei" filled in, is the situation in Iran. Ahmadinejad, for example, is a "protege" of the former "supreme leader" of Iran. He is neither smart, nor capable of government.
Iran is an islamic nation, as in you get killed for showing the police you aren't a muslim - and in islam there can never be democracy. Just look it up. It's quite well documented.
Are you that stupid ? You don't just get a presidential vote you know. You get to elect local councils, district councils, you get to more-or-less choose your own police force,...
Americans have a LOT more choice than europeans.
You're just mad because the foreign policy of 300 million individuals HAS to be a compromise, and you don't like compromising. You think you can do it all better. Only, obviously, you can't. Accept the compromise.
People today don't care about politics. They've got little to gain, and little to lose.
Perhaps asking the people of teheran/pyongyang/ryadh/... how many months of pay they would give to get a real vote like the americans have would give you another answer.
Americans, especially young ones, don't care. They've got everything they want, why would you bother them with this politics thing ? Is something wrong ? Just cry until someone solves it and surely it will get solved...
You're insane. Have you read the history of "al qaeda" ? Do you even know what the word means ?
America has been at war with muslims since it's creation and the war never ceased. It's just that they fought until they were so terribly weak that they stopped being worth mentioning. As you should know as an american, they never stopped attacking. s
That choice including accepting the following phrase as "God's truth" : "all infidel are less than filthy animals for they reject the truth" (quran 8:55). And this is the very tip of the iceberg.
Anyone who makes the choice to think this is a racist and I don't like him/her. Anyone who doesn't make this choice is not a muslim (as stated directly in that same quran 33:33 I believe). And I feel completely justified in doing so.
Besides I wonder why you're being racist. I state the exact same thing as the quran, I only replace "infidels" by "muslims". Why do you allow muslims to do what you refuse for me ? Why can't I call all muslims filthy animals when they get to do the reverse ?
But you are taking extraordinary measures to protect your identity, and as you said I could find more details if I wanted to. With an ip adress I would be able to trace you, or if I got you to email to me somehow.
And this is only necessary because of the extreme precautions you take. If you search for me you'll find a whole lot more. And I do take some basic precautions.
Ahem... anyone can do that. Perhaps prison's not that easy, but torture and killing is easy. Just look up how many honor killings happen in USA these days. And those are totally unorganised muslims doing that. If a coordinated effort is made by google (with their money for example) how long do you think you'd survive ?
Every week a woman is killed by muslims in London ONLY for "disrespect". You're safe, but not *that* safe.
Stuff I could find : Age 21 Single You live in Missouri (male, not that there was much doubt)
Your yahoo messenger address Somewhat interested in buddhism it seems (though it's not a "real" intrest it seems) A lot of messageboards you post at, and a lot of posts (save the wildlife, something about "natural health", gardener's corner,...)
This post is also somewhat revealing "Years ago I was an amateur dancer, having taken some dance classes in college, danced in different dances, and worked on other dance performances. Several years ago I had a bad accident and the first thing I thought of for physical therapy was dance, so I talked with a friend who taught dance including the ones I took and she recommended I take ballet saying it would help with my coordination and endurance. As it was I didn't have the endurance to take the class. The last tyme I went to class, as usual, I stayed there after ballet and watched the Jazz class and I realized that while I could recall the steps for Jazz, I couldn't recall them for ballet, there would of been no way I would of had the energy for jazz. As for watching, like myself I've known others who feel so much better and/or motivated after watching a dance performance.
And no I wasn't an art or dance major, my major was computer engineering."
A detailed search on google will reveal WAY too much info on people. Certainly more than you'd want released to just anyone.
More than this... laws will not change this fact... this sucks. If google can build databases of people le, why can't the US govt ? At least US govt has this freedom of info act. Google obeys only the laws they truly have to.
Outlawing google also seems like a stupid thing to do.
He just makes the point that we can't have it both ways. We can't have a searchable internet and the privacy standards of 1960. It just doesn't compute.
"A true socialist believes in universal healthcare, a minimum wage that you can support a family on, maximum working week, state funded education for everyone, unions (not US style unions), equality, taxing the rich to support the poor."
You've just described most democrat initiatives actually. I do read the news you know. I mean do you just blatantly and knowingly lie here, or what am I supposed to think ?
So no worries right ? After all they're socialists. Using the governments power to mandate good behavior is very un-social right ? And forcing centrally made decisions upon everyone in the country is very unlike the democrats, right ? Oh wait...
Don't worry democrats won't let you down (*cough*)
You know I actually live here. So you can tell me as much as you like how "At the very least I don't expect either police or prosecution to throw due process out the window". I know better. Sure in easy normal cases (ie not involving manifestations, sports events, or anything controversial, or anything involving too much money, or anything involving the queen) this may be mostly true. But there are MANY exceptions. And let's not go ANYWHERE near religion, especially the one where a prophet asks people to hit women and generally be racists towards anyone else, not that "reformed" people are much better, but they are better, and they're still monsters.
So please... don't tell me how dutch people always follow due process. They don't. And you and I both know it. They have a big idea about themselves being perfect, as you so aptly illustrate, in claiming their perfection. They are, however, not perfect at all.
That said, nothing beats a vacation with a few dutchies, a barbecue, lots of open space, and a few bicycles.
Come on, surely you are capable of deeper thought than this
Freedom is a duty, not a right. It is a duty to use violence to protect others when people interfere with their freedom. Only this can guarantee your own freedom. So stealing is obviously in opposition with freedom, while ownership is not.
So you see freedom is in fact a very, very "restrictive" law. It forces your hand in many situations to do something. Without these actions however, that are now mostly taken for granted, there would be no freedom. If you think that there is freedom in a lawless region, just go to somalia. There is nothing even remotely resembling law in that country currently. Nobody will come after you if you steal, nobody guards the sees, and things like banks hire their own thugs. Why don't you go over and see just how "free" you are in Mogadishu.
Unprecedented in the US, yes. Just about anywhere else, no. China, morocco, iran, Russia and the Netherlands are all 4 running much worse programs. (like constant monitoring for keywords for example).
And we're not even going to "really" oppressive countries like north korea or pakistan.
This difference between catholics and protestants does in NO way constitute a difference in the interpretation of the bible. 99.9% of the difference is basically "who runs the church ?". The bible doesn't help since it explicitly states that NOONE runs the church. Even the vatican itself claims only to be a source of advice, not an organization to run governments.
They do not differ in interpretation of canon law, just in who is the judge and what organizational decisions have been made.
Same for anglican church btw.
Just as the difference between sunni and shi'a is a difference about "who runs islam ?". You probably don't know their answers, so let me give them to you. Sunni : loosely coupled "church". Boss is basically the regime of saudi arabia in cooperation with 4 islamic universities (cairo and three others). Shi'a answer to who runs islam is a hierarchical system, with an Iraqi ayatollah (who is a nice guy btw) on top. The iranian government "partially" disputes this, because it considers itself part of this hierarchy and refuses to listen in a number of ways to this guy (guess what, mostly on, let's call it "foreign policy").
Note that both sects are together 99,9% of muslim, and both "sects" (islam as a whole is a sect, by any reasonable definition) support "imposing" sharia. Authority cannot come from humans, so democracy is evil, again for both sects.
No it's like saying that the bible speaks for all Christians. And it does, obviously. Sharia is defined in the quran, and that book, obviously, speaks for all muslims.
And yes, it *is* muslim law that "all non-muslims are lower than animals". Why don't you ask your muslim friends why that is in the quran, why allah dictated that, if it's not true according to them ?
Muslims are no different from the rest of us you know, the large majority is stupid. And yes that also means that you could be one of those idiots throwing stones at women who haven't even spoken at their trial. The only thing that takes is muslim parents.
E.g. "a muslim court does not respect the rights of the defense"... this means that muslim courts convict persons that they've never even seen, and then send a small army to kill that person.
This is just a simple fact, like "the sky is blue", anyone can look it up and verify wether this is true.
Islam is not a religion, it is a political ideology, and it's racist (it states, bluntly, that all non-muslims are worth less than animals (koran 8:55)).
Perhaps you'd like to go over and try your luck ? One would hope this would make you come to your senses, but I fear that would be slightly too much to ask.
Of people's attempts to silence others. After all, if we weren't, we'd have to go after a hell of a lot of muslims urgently. And they do a lot more silencing than even the kremlin.
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Are you insane ? Basic logic shows us that any "fair" system must balance 2 things. It cannot neglect one for the other. Which is exactly what you do.
1) it must maximize wealth creation (obviously critically important)
2) it must distribute that wealth "fairly" among a number of people, and systems (e.g. money needs to go to police as a whole too)
Obviously the way capitalism works is by making concessions (but not too large, see progressive income tax and such) on point 2 in order to have more wealth to divide. It's been by an order of magnitude more succesfull than any other system. (An american "poor" person has a 2 bedroom apartment, a car and multiple tv's and computers on average).
Capitalism accepts temporary unfairness by creating rules that WILL even out the population in the long term.
The way communism (and socialism) works is by just using violence to do everything the way "it should be done". Which obviously immediately translates to the way a certain person or small group of persons thinks it should be done. This is what you're advocating. And yes, in theory it can be done better. However we are only human, and any socialist system will fail. It may take a while, but it's fall is inevitable. Don't ask what happens if an economy collapses, you don't want to know. Perhaps consult some people who've been to Zimbabwe. Iran is also in serious danger of having it's economy "fail", so perhaps there will be lots of people to ask what happens in that case too soon.
Is a person with a personal car, a 2 bedroom apartment, and multiple tv's and computers really "poor" ? In a lot of countries such a person would be considered very wealthy. E.g. in Iran.
Don't worry Bush(itler) is the cause of all problems. So let's just kill all college kids and that will prevent Bush from hiring new interns !
Hello, Iran is a dictatorship because the "supreme leader" is calling all the shots - for life. He determines who can get elected.
Imagine Bush doing the same, only candidates approved by Bush can be elected. There are 5 of them : his son, 3 nephews, and his former secretary. You can't vote for anyone else. Would you call this "democratic" ?
This, with Bush crossed out and "Khamenei" filled in, is the situation in Iran. Ahmadinejad, for example, is a "protege" of the former "supreme leader" of Iran. He is neither smart, nor capable of government.
Iran is an islamic nation, as in you get killed for showing the police you aren't a muslim - and in islam there can never be democracy. Just look it up. It's quite well documented.
Iran does not have free elections. It's a theocracy for a reason. You're misinformed in the extreme.
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Ask yourself this question : do Iranians get to elect anyone they want, like US ? Or
Are you that stupid ? You don't just get a presidential vote you know. You get to elect local councils, district councils, you get to more-or-less choose your own police force, ...
Americans have a LOT more choice than europeans.
You're just mad because the foreign policy of 300 million individuals HAS to be a compromise, and you don't like compromising. You think you can do it all better. Only, obviously, you can't. Accept the compromise.
People today don't care about politics. They've got little to gain, and little to lose.
...
Perhaps asking the people of teheran/pyongyang/ryadh/... how many months of pay they would give to get a real vote like the americans have would give you another answer.
Americans, especially young ones, don't care. They've got everything they want, why would you bother them with this politics thing ? Is something wrong ? Just cry until someone solves it and surely it will get solved
You're insane. Have you read the history of "al qaeda" ? Do you even know what the word means ?
America has been at war with muslims since it's creation and the war never ceased. It's just that they fought until they were so terribly weak that they stopped being worth mentioning. As you should know as an american, they never stopped attacking. s
Are muslims a race ? Anyone is muslim by choice.
That choice including accepting the following phrase as "God's truth" : "all infidel are less than filthy animals for they reject the truth" (quran 8:55). And this is the very tip of the iceberg.
Anyone who makes the choice to think this is a racist and I don't like him/her. Anyone who doesn't make this choice is not a muslim (as stated directly in that same quran 33:33 I believe). And I feel completely justified in doing so.
Besides I wonder why you're being racist. I state the exact same thing as the quran, I only replace "infidels" by "muslims". Why do you allow muslims to do what you refuse for me ? Why can't I call all muslims filthy animals when they get to do the reverse ?
But you are taking extraordinary measures to protect your identity, and as you said I could find more details if I wanted to. With an ip adress I would be able to trace you, or if I got you to email to me somehow.
And this is only necessary because of the extreme precautions you take. If you search for me you'll find a whole lot more. And I do take some basic precautions.
*ahem* you're 44 according to your yahoo profile and perhaps missouri is not the most accurate of guesses
But still.
Ahem ... anyone can do that. Perhaps prison's not that easy, but torture and killing is easy. Just look up how many honor killings happen in USA these days. And those are totally unorganised muslims doing that. If a coordinated effort is made by google (with their money for example) how long do you think you'd survive ?
Every week a woman is killed by muslims in London ONLY for "disrespect". You're safe, but not *that* safe.
Stuff I could find :
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Age 21
Single
You live in Missouri
(male, not that there was much doubt)
Your yahoo messenger address
Somewhat interested in buddhism it seems (though it's not a "real" intrest it seems)
A lot of messageboards you post at, and a lot of posts (save the wildlife, something about "natural health", gardener's corner,
This post is also somewhat revealing "Years ago I was an amateur dancer, having taken some dance classes in college, danced in different dances, and worked on other dance performances. Several years ago I had a bad accident and the first thing I thought of for physical therapy was dance, so I talked with a friend who taught dance including the ones I took and she recommended I take ballet saying it would help with my coordination and endurance. As it was I didn't have the endurance to take the class. The last tyme I went to class, as usual, I stayed there after ballet and watched the Jazz class and I realized that while I could recall the steps for Jazz, I couldn't recall them for ballet, there would of been no way I would of had the energy for jazz. As for watching, like myself I've known others who feel so much better and/or motivated after watching a dance performance.
And no I wasn't an art or dance major, my major was computer engineering."
So how close am I ?
A detailed search on google will reveal WAY too much info on people. Certainly more than you'd want released to just anyone.
... laws will not change this fact ... this sucks. If google can build databases of people le, why can't the US govt ? At least US govt has this freedom of info act. Google obeys only the laws they truly have to.
More than this
Outlawing google also seems like a stupid thing to do.
He just makes the point that we can't have it both ways. We can't have a searchable internet and the privacy standards of 1960. It just doesn't compute.
"A true socialist believes in universal healthcare, a minimum wage that you can support a family on, maximum working week, state funded education for everyone, unions (not US style unions), equality, taxing the rich to support the poor."
You've just described most democrat initiatives actually. I do read the news you know. I mean do you just blatantly and knowingly lie here, or what am I supposed to think ?
So no worries right ? After all they're socialists. Using the governments power to mandate good behavior is very un-social right ? And forcing centrally made decisions upon everyone in the country is very unlike the democrats, right ? Oh wait ...
Don't worry democrats won't let you down (*cough*)
You know I actually live here. So you can tell me as much as you like how "At the very least I don't expect either police or prosecution to throw due process out the window". I know better. Sure in easy normal cases (ie not involving manifestations, sports events, or anything controversial, or anything involving too much money, or anything involving the queen) this may be mostly true. But there are MANY exceptions. And let's not go ANYWHERE near religion, especially the one where a prophet asks people to hit women and generally be racists towards anyone else, not that "reformed" people are much better, but they are better, and they're still monsters.
So please ... don't tell me how dutch people always follow due process. They don't. And you and I both know it. They have a big idea about themselves being perfect, as you so aptly illustrate, in claiming their perfection. They are, however, not perfect at all.
That said, nothing beats a vacation with a few dutchies, a barbecue, lots of open space, and a few bicycles.
Come on, surely you are capable of deeper thought than this
Freedom is a duty, not a right. It is a duty to use violence to protect others when people interfere with their freedom. Only this can guarantee your own freedom. So stealing is obviously in opposition with freedom, while ownership is not.
So you see freedom is in fact a very, very "restrictive" law. It forces your hand in many situations to do something. Without these actions however, that are now mostly taken for granted, there would be no freedom. If you think that there is freedom in a lawless region, just go to somalia. There is nothing even remotely resembling law in that country currently. Nobody will come after you if you steal, nobody guards the sees, and things like banks hire their own thugs. Why don't you go over and see just how "free" you are in Mogadishu.
Unprecedented in the US, yes. Just about anywhere else, no. China, morocco, iran, Russia and the Netherlands are all 4 running much worse programs. (like constant monitoring for keywords for example).
And we're not even going to "really" oppressive countries like north korea or pakistan.
If you speak dutch, read http://www.onderwereldblog.nl/?page_id=64 for example.
This difference between catholics and protestants does in NO way constitute a difference in the interpretation of the bible. 99.9% of the difference is basically "who runs the church ?". The bible doesn't help since it explicitly states that NOONE runs the church. Even the vatican itself claims only to be a source of advice, not an organization to run governments.
They do not differ in interpretation of canon law, just in who is the judge and what organizational decisions have been made.
Same for anglican church btw.
Just as the difference between sunni and shi'a is a difference about "who runs islam ?". You probably don't know their answers, so let me give them to you. Sunni : loosely coupled "church". Boss is basically the regime of saudi arabia in cooperation with 4 islamic universities (cairo and three others). Shi'a answer to who runs islam is a hierarchical system, with an Iraqi ayatollah (who is a nice guy btw) on top. The iranian government "partially" disputes this, because it considers itself part of this hierarchy and refuses to listen in a number of ways to this guy (guess what, mostly on, let's call it "foreign policy").
Note that both sects are together 99,9% of muslim, and both "sects" (islam as a whole is a sect, by any reasonable definition) support "imposing" sharia. Authority cannot come from humans, so democracy is evil, again for both sects.
Why don't you inform yourself ?
No it's like saying that the bible speaks for all Christians. And it does, obviously. Sharia is defined in the quran, and that book, obviously, speaks for all muslims.
And yes, it *is* muslim law that "all non-muslims are lower than animals". Why don't you ask your muslim friends why that is in the quran, why allah dictated that, if it's not true according to them ?
Muslims are no different from the rest of us you know, the large majority is stupid. And yes that also means that you could be one of those idiots throwing stones at women who haven't even spoken at their trial. The only thing that takes is muslim parents.
It is not, it is quite well defined actually.
... this means that muslim courts convict persons that they've never even seen, and then send a small army to kill that person.
E.g. "a muslim court does not respect the rights of the defense"
This is just a simple fact, like "the sky is blue", anyone can look it up and verify wether this is true.
Islam is not a religion, it is a political ideology, and it's racist (it states, bluntly, that all non-muslims are worth less than animals (koran 8:55)).
Allow me to reply with a verdict of a muslim court :
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE130692005
Perhaps you'd like to go over and try your luck ? One would hope this would make you come to your senses, but I fear that would be slightly too much to ask.
Of people's attempts to silence others. After all, if we weren't, we'd have to go after a hell of a lot of muslims urgently. And they do a lot more silencing than even the kremlin.
I'm kidding, but I'm sure you will find a few comments who aren't.
What would the future look like. I mean come on, can't you guess ?
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