Oops... the terrorists are not the poor people. You will find that just about every terrorist has at least a university education. Case in point : the 9/11 bombers. These were NOT poor people.
The londen bombers... again... these were rich individuals.
Ow cool. Great idea. Proportionality. Let's look closer at what the more recent enemies of america did, what they consider "appropriate" violence.
Let's react with "appropriate" violence, I find this a great idea. What violence is appropriate ? Let's see what the different people of this world think is appropriate :
muslims : blowing up random unrelated citizens, murder out entire villages, pillage burn and rape, as dictated by the quran iraqi baathi's : hanging anyone with an even slightly dissenting opinion, if necessary killing tens of thousands at once with nerve gas afghani's : drag any women that can read (or *gasp* tries to teach another women to read) around the town by her hair then shoot her hezbollah : randomly firing rockets into a foreign population, bombing people that are perceived as a threat syrians : killing of hundreds of thousands of people, because they are immigrants and tried to stop the police from murdering them Americans, Israeli, Europeans, Australians,... i.e. "the west" : starting up a police force of reasonable people that have as their main purpose preventing violence from escalating
Tell me, who is right about what is "appropriate" an what is not ? Are the muslims right ? Is the quran correct about what is proportional ? The entire premise of proportionality is something that is a central part of the new testament, of Jesus' life, I do hope you realise that. Proportionality is not a valid principle in the arab world, not even in the highest courts in supposedly "moderate" nations :
As you would probably say. RESPECT others' culture and religion. ESPECIALLY in a war. Do NOT attempt to predict their reactions by christian standards. It's dumb, incorrect, foolish and disrespectful. Withouth accepting the violent, mass-murdering basis of muslim culture (as evidenced by the life of the paedophile prophet himself) you will never ever remain peaceful with a muslim for a reasonable amount of time. Either you accept muslims, including mass-murders, violently enforced religious discrimination, subjugation of women, and tribal nepotism trumping all other affiliations, or you don't.
"They" won't stop if america retreats. On the contrary, their attacks will intensify, as can be clearly evidenced by the situation in somalia.
"The west" is NOT an army, it's NOT a geographic location, it's NOT a people, it's NOT a religion, it's an idea. It is capitalism, equality, democracy, enforced secularity, religious individualism and, most importantly, the absolute rule of law. It is worth fighting for. It is worth dying for.
Let's take some guidance on the meaning of jihad from the Quran, shall we, I think this can be considered authorative.
"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the infidels wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war; but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and pay Zakat, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft- forgiving, Most Merciful." (Quran 9:5)
Then I guess we do not need to send the police when someone is torturing your wife/daughter/mother ? After all that would be using VIOLENCE (oh no !) to create peace. "Obviously" that would not work. Except... obviously... it would work. Ah hm. How about that ?
You are very correct that the ends are met by the means. They are NOT identical to the means. At all. If history teaches us anything, it is that violence is REQUIRED to create peace in a violent situation.
Why don't you doublecheck. Ask a muslim about "the lord jesus christ" and you will hear that what you just said is non-sense.
They believe that the bible lies about Jesus, for example they do not believe at all in the son of god. They also do not believe in the authority of the ten commandments (the muslim commandment to kill infidels, one of the "5 pillars of islam", for example, trumps the ten commandments)
Obviously this "fact" is clear without any references at all. After all, we all know that the US, one of the few free societies (you don't think it's free ? Try visiting Egypt or Morocco or Turkey and see, and let's not mention other muslim countries like Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan, that you really shouldn't visit).
So the US is "evil", and funds every terrorist on the planet, obviously. Euhm no, this is not obvious. If you want to make this point you're gonna need proof, and something more reliable than www.conspiracylunatics.org. So where is it ? Let's see your proof.
Everything you state is forbidden by some religion or another. So perhaps this will help by making people less dependant on idiotic religions ( http://thereligionofpeace.com/ ) and more on knowledge.
Think again. Obviously looking at an actual live video feed in the iraqi capital will reveal a quite normal life, with markets, loads of people... Doesn't sound like a civil war at _all_ actually.
No, actually it doesn't. Are you perhaps a democrat ?
"they will be left to lives of extreme poverty and misery"
bzzzt... wrong... see your recent history Germany Japan South Korea... I always heard people describe them to be places of "extreme openness and friendly people" just after WWII. So your assertion that (real) occupation will lead to misery is wrong.
"what would it take for me to stay out of the middle east"
Well very simple... this counter has to stop going up : http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ Hate preachers in mosques should go home (so Saudi Arabia... in case you were wondering)
"People that disagree with you face the same choice that people who disagree with Islamic extremists face: either let you do want you want even though it is disagreeable or kill you"
See answer to previous question... anyone who isn't openly attacking me is quite safe
"But I guess that's your world view: you're not changing your opinion and the insurgents aren't changing their opinion so the only way to resolve the issue is for one side or the other to be killed. What's interesting to me is that it's not actually the difference of opinion that's the problem. It's the fact that you both believe in killing each other to resolve the difference of opinion. Does it matter is people are Muslim? Not really. Does it it matter is the USA is involved in the Middle East? Not really. The problem is that you both believe that the only way to resolve the disagreement is to kill each other. Of course, by believing that, you make it true."
*kuch* let's take your situation... you vs a terrorist... you are all about peace, you are unarmed because "arms might make the other guy fire" and the terrorist hates you because you do not follow their exact strain of islam... you know the situation that iraqi academics found themselves in... he's armed to the teeth... weapons knives... he's been taught since birth that you are satan and you will kill him when he gives you the slightest chance... and then you die (obviously)
Does it matter if people are muslim ? YES, obviously. Islam is about rules. Here's an excerpt from muslim rules, you know, observance of these rules makes you a muslim, non-observance makes you a non-muslim :
"A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate. If he penetrates and the child is harmed then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however would not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl's sister."
As codified in Sharia law.
Allowing these things in America, is that a good idea ?
Mohamed was a pedophile, and a racist mass-murderer. Repeating his behavior is the purpose of islam. Ask any muslim.
See Aisha and Khaybar stories of the quran. You know, READ the quran... as any muslim will tell you is a good thing. Do keep a puke bag nearby though.
I see. If you truly believe the statement you just made, please explain why Japan is a stable nation-state with no obvious animosity towards the US (quite the reverse) these days.
Why will "they" not torture and butcher civilians ? Quite simply because "they" will no longer be in power, and reasonable people will have taken their place, SLOWLY (as in over 20-30-40 years) taking over the function of the occupying force. As happened in Japan and Germany.
So simply put. Why will "they" believe it is wrong to butcher civilians ? Because they BELIEVE it is wrong to butcher civilians. The islamists, the muslims, do not believe it is wrong to butcher civilians (as evidenced a hundred times over by stuff like 9/11 and dozens of other incidents), so they NEED to be replaced. Allowing hundreds of thousands of people to die, as america has done in iraq, because americans are afraid to kill a single innocent is madness, and completely immoral.
You need to look at the result. The end result is more important than the process that got you there.
As everybody is so fond of saying, the current "let's tie the soldier's hands behind their back" is not working. Obviously they need to be cut loose. Cutting the soldiers loose will not stoop the us to the level of the terrorists, on the contrary.
People just need to realise one very simple thing. Terrorists fight out of blind islamic conviction. They cannot be reasoned with. They will not stop given ANY arguments, as they only "follow" the quran.
So either : 1. let the terrorists run amok, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people 2. strike back against the terrorists, including hunting them down, which will kill innocent people, but not thousands
There is no third option (Except maybe forcing the iraqi's do 2. for us, and they will be forced to do this anyway to stabilize iraq). Obviously the left is going to choose option 1, because then they have no-one to critisize. No-one who will listen anyway. Only... hundreds of thousands will die. For no good reason. At all.
Actually if you were to look at history, you'd find that it would definitely stop them quite quickly. Illustrations abound, even in recent history, even in the last few months.
Do you have any idea what you say. How exactly do you think the muslims behave ? Fortunately, the quran provides prescribed behavior for soldiers in these cases. So we only have to behave better than islamic terrorists' behavior, described in the quran. That would mean behaving better than :
1. raiding entire villages with superior power killing everyone and anyone we find until the street goes quiet 2. collect all remaining adult (older than 8 or so) men, have them dig their own grave in the center of the town, then shoot them, make the survivors close the graves and dig another trench... repeat... (for an illustration on video of this... there ARE videos of the armenian genocide) 3. distribute all surviving women among the soldiers (double the allotment of a normal soldier to any commander that commands more than 10 people) to use "any way they see fit" 4. leave the raped women and children to die in the desert if the soldiers doesn't marry them, then occupy their houses and shoot any that dare return (which is VERY unlikely to happen because of the desert sun)
See "khaybar" in the quran.
I think we can manage to behave a LOT better than the islamists by killing anyone that even raises a finger to the soldiers without thinking twice and we'd STILL have the moral high ground.
Now let's hear from you about how to make terrorists follow the geneva conventions, and for example NOT hide in the general population (which would destroy them immediately), not kidnap non-combatants, not kidnap any iraqi, not attack women, not throwing acid in people's faces,...
So... let's have it. Let's just post a notice on the local mosque "american army will face off with the terrorists, please meat us tomorrow on the meadow".
After all, this is the ONLY way to wage war allowed by the geneva convention. If any party declares not to follow the geneva convention (as both the shia's and the sunni's have done), the other party (that would be america) is no longer bound to protect the opponent's citizens, and can shoot anyone they like for any reason whatsoever.
So... let's have it. How do you force the muslim terrorists (islamofascists,...) to follow the geneva conventions ? That would obviously imply no longer having women wear the burqa, which can be directly verified.
That america will retain the lead, and even improve it.
I realize America's science is not progressing at the rate academics would like. However, this is happening everywhere, and it's a LOT worse over here. Trust me, a LOT.
Lots of material is being dropped from the curriculum. Phd positions are not getting filled. And everything is made easier in name of "everybody being equal", everybody "needs" equal access to university (and somehow access does not mean "a chance to try" but actual graduation), and the only way to do that is dropping the level of education by a lot.
Math is being dropped like a stone in every subject. Numerical analysis... algebra... computational theory... everything is disappearing from exact science curricula. This cannot be a good thing.
As long as it has a programming language included, and a course on how to use it (Basic has lots of open courses available... and I kinda don't think C++ would be very appropriate:-p)
As you very well know in Bosnia BOTH parties were mass-murdering. As you say yourself, muslims were involved, and not just as victims.
These are all massacres motivated by islam from recent history (last 30-40 years) :
Turkish Armenian Genocide on christians : 1 Syrian Genocide on palestinians : 2 (which was, btw, not unprovoked, as palestinians definitely started this) Iraqi Genocide of the kurds : 3 Iraqi Genocide of the druze : 4 Iraqi Genocide on christians : 5 (there are more, much more in iraq, so I'm adding 3) : 8 The lebanese "revolution" (where hezbollah commited at least 5-10 genocides, one on american troops, also the PLO commited 2 times crimes that definitely qualify, in retaliation the christians also massacred a number of muslims) : 13 Afghanistan massacre : 14 Second afghani massacre led by current head of taliban : 15 Iran massacres during islamic revolution (2 of them that we know of) : 17 Iraq : Shiite massacres against Sunni's 5 incidents (and counting) : 22 Iraq : Sunni massacres (mostly against mahdi army supporters or soldiers) : 7 incidents (and counting) : 29
Ok started... finished. Any questions ? Note that for most of these massacres statements from the leaders are available that establish undeniably that they did it for islam. Here's one of the often quoted justifications, straight from the book of the paedophile prophet :
"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Infidels wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war; but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and pay Zakat, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft- forgiving, Most Merciful." (Quran 9:5)
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Oops ... the terrorists are not the poor people. You will find that just about every terrorist has at least a university education. Case in point : the 9/11 bombers. These were NOT poor people.
... again ... these were rich individuals.
The londen bombers
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Ow cool. Great idea. Proportionality. Let's look closer at what the more recent enemies of america did, what they consider "appropriate" violence.
... i.e. "the west" : starting up a police force of reasonable people that have as their main purpose preventing violence from escalating
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Let's react with "appropriate" violence, I find this a great idea. What violence is appropriate ? Let's see what the different people of this world think is appropriate :
muslims : blowing up random unrelated citizens, murder out entire villages, pillage burn and rape, as dictated by the quran
iraqi baathi's : hanging anyone with an even slightly dissenting opinion, if necessary killing tens of thousands at once with nerve gas
afghani's : drag any women that can read (or *gasp* tries to teach another women to read) around the town by her hair then shoot her
hezbollah : randomly firing rockets into a foreign population, bombing people that are perceived as a threat
syrians : killing of hundreds of thousands of people, because they are immigrants and tried to stop the police from murdering them
Americans, Israeli, Europeans, Australians,
Tell me, who is right about what is "appropriate" an what is not ? Are the muslims right ? Is the quran correct about what is proportional ? The entire premise of proportionality is something that is a central part of the new testament, of Jesus' life, I do hope you realise that. Proportionality is not a valid principle in the arab world, not even in the highest courts in supposedly "moderate" nations :
http://www.sandmonkey.org/2006/12/17/todays-bahai
As you would probably say. RESPECT others' culture and religion. ESPECIALLY in a war. Do NOT attempt to predict their reactions by christian standards. It's dumb, incorrect, foolish and disrespectful. Withouth accepting the violent, mass-murdering basis of muslim culture (as evidenced by the life of the paedophile prophet himself) you will never ever remain peaceful with a muslim for a reasonable amount of time. Either you accept muslims, including mass-murders, violently enforced religious discrimination, subjugation of women, and tribal nepotism trumping all other affiliations, or you don't.
"They" won't stop if america retreats. On the contrary, their attacks will intensify, as can be clearly evidenced by the situation in somalia.
"The west" is NOT an army, it's NOT a geographic location, it's NOT a people, it's NOT a religion, it's an idea. It is capitalism, equality, democracy, enforced secularity, religious individualism and, most importantly, the absolute rule of law. It is worth fighting for. It is worth dying for.
Let's take some guidance on the meaning of jihad from the Quran, shall we, I think this can be considered authorative.
"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the infidels wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war; but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and pay Zakat, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft- forgiving, Most Merciful." (Quran 9:5)
Interpret that one "peacefully".
Then I guess we do not need to send the police when someone is torturing your wife/daughter/mother ? After all that would be using VIOLENCE (oh no !) to create peace. "Obviously" that would not work. Except ... obviously ... it would work. Ah hm. How about that ?
You are very correct that the ends are met by the means. They are NOT identical to the means. At all. If history teaches us anything, it is that violence is REQUIRED to create peace in a violent situation.
By simply requiring multiple people to present coherent stories you've just eliminated the unreliability of torture.
No two people will make up the same story, and even if they agree beforehand, they'll disagree on too many points.
Hmm you are indeed right. Jihad is only a "duty", not a "pillar", however there have been numerous attempts to make it one.
Why don't you doublecheck. Ask a muslim about "the lord jesus christ" and you will hear that what you just said is non-sense.
They believe that the bible lies about Jesus, for example they do not believe at all in the son of god. They also do not believe in the authority of the ten commandments (the muslim commandment to kill infidels, one of the "5 pillars of islam", for example, trumps the ten commandments)
CHECK YOUR FACTS
Obviously this "fact" is clear without any references at all. After all, we all know that the US, one of the few free societies (you don't think it's free ? Try visiting Egypt or Morocco or Turkey and see, and let's not mention other muslim countries like Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan, that you really shouldn't visit).
So the US is "evil", and funds every terrorist on the planet, obviously. Euhm no, this is not obvious. If you want to make this point you're gonna need proof, and something more reliable than www.conspiracylunatics.org. So where is it ? Let's see your proof.
Everything you state is forbidden by some religion or another. So perhaps this will help by making people less dependant on idiotic religions ( http://thereligionofpeace.com/ ) and more on knowledge.
Dead people do NOT sign these petitions ... but they do have a strong tendency to die AFTER it was asked of them
This is a webcam ... making it lie would be kinda hard (VERY hard), even for a journalist.
I have to agree that there *is* a problem. However, look at our newspapers.
... you'd find public transportation is operational.
You'd say it's a full-scale battlefield (especially "sadr city") with corpses everywhere, no functioning city etc.
In reality
NOT ...
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... Doesn't sound like a civil war at _all_ actually.
....
See :
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2006/11/ap-is-b
Do you think something like this stops them from falsifying news ?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061129/ap_on_re_mi_e
Think again. Obviously looking at an actual live video feed in the iraqi capital will reveal a quite normal life, with markets, loads of people
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/bagCam.html
hmmmmm
"That sounds a lot like Republicans in the USA."
... wrong ... see your recent history Germany Japan South Korea ... I always heard people describe them to be places of "extreme openness and friendly people" just after WWII. So your assertion that (real) occupation will lead to misery is wrong.
... this counter has to stop going up : http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ ... in case you were wondering)
... anyone who isn't openly attacking me is quite safe
... you vs a terrorist ... you are all about peace, you are unarmed because "arms might make the other guy fire" and the terrorist hates you because you do not follow their exact strain of islam ... you know the situation that iraqi academics found themselves in ... he's armed to the teeth ... weapons knives ... he's been taught since birth that you are satan and you will kill him when he gives you the slightest chance ... and then you die (obviously)
... as any muslim will tell you is a good thing. Do keep a puke bag nearby though.
No, actually it doesn't. Are you perhaps a democrat ?
"they will be left to lives of extreme poverty and misery"
bzzzt
"what would it take for me to stay out of the middle east"
Well very simple
Hate preachers in mosques should go home (so Saudi Arabia
"People that disagree with you face the same choice that people who disagree with Islamic extremists face: either let you do want you want even though it is disagreeable or kill you"
See answer to previous question
"But I guess that's your world view: you're not changing your opinion and the insurgents aren't changing their opinion so the only way to resolve the issue is for one side or the other to be killed. What's interesting to me is that it's not actually the difference of opinion that's the problem. It's the fact that you both believe in killing each other to resolve the difference of opinion. Does it matter is people are Muslim? Not really. Does it it matter is the USA is involved in the Middle East? Not really. The problem is that you both believe that the only way to resolve the disagreement is to kill each other. Of course, by believing that, you make it true."
*kuch* let's take your situation
Does it matter if people are muslim ? YES, obviously. Islam is about rules. Here's an excerpt from muslim rules, you know, observance of these rules makes you a muslim, non-observance makes you a non-muslim :
"A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate. If he penetrates and the child is harmed then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however would not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl's sister."
As codified in Sharia law.
Allowing these things in America, is that a good idea ?
Mohamed was a pedophile, and a racist mass-murderer. Repeating his behavior is the purpose of islam. Ask any muslim.
See Aisha and Khaybar stories of the quran. You know, READ the quran
I see. If you truly believe the statement you just made, please explain why Japan is a stable nation-state with no obvious animosity towards the US (quite the reverse) these days.
Why will "they" not torture and butcher civilians ? Quite simply because "they" will no longer be in power, and reasonable people will have taken their place, SLOWLY (as in over 20-30-40 years) taking over the function of the occupying force. As happened in Japan and Germany.
So simply put. Why will "they" believe it is wrong to butcher civilians ? Because they BELIEVE it is wrong to butcher civilians. The islamists, the muslims, do not believe it is wrong to butcher civilians (as evidenced a hundred times over by stuff like 9/11 and dozens of other incidents), so they NEED to be replaced. Allowing hundreds of thousands of people to die, as america has done in iraq, because americans are afraid to kill a single innocent is madness, and completely immoral.
You need to look at the result. The end result is more important than the process that got you there.
... hundreds of thousands will die. For no good reason. At all.
As everybody is so fond of saying, the current "let's tie the soldier's hands behind their back" is not working. Obviously they need to be cut loose. Cutting the soldiers loose will not stoop the us to the level of the terrorists, on the contrary.
People just need to realise one very simple thing. Terrorists fight out of blind islamic conviction. They cannot be reasoned with. They will not stop given ANY arguments, as they only "follow" the quran.
So either :
1. let the terrorists run amok, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people
2. strike back against the terrorists, including hunting them down, which will kill innocent people, but not thousands
There is no third option (Except maybe forcing the iraqi's do 2. for us, and they will be forced to do this anyway to stabilize iraq). Obviously the left is going to choose option 1, because then they have no-one to critisize. No-one who will listen anyway. Only
Actually if you were to look at history, you'd find that it would definitely stop them quite quickly. Illustrations abound, even in recent history, even in the last few months.
See "somalia" and what's happening over there.
Do you have any idea what you say. How exactly do you think the muslims behave ? Fortunately, the quran provides prescribed behavior for soldiers in these cases. So we only have to behave better than islamic terrorists' behavior, described in the quran. That would mean behaving better than :
... repeat ... (for an illustration on video of this ... there ARE videos of the armenian genocide)
1. raiding entire villages with superior power killing everyone and anyone we find until the street goes quiet
2. collect all remaining adult (older than 8 or so) men, have them dig their own grave in the center of the town, then shoot them, make the survivors close the graves and dig another trench
3. distribute all surviving women among the soldiers (double the allotment of a normal soldier to any commander that commands more than 10 people) to use "any way they see fit"
4. leave the raped women and children to die in the desert if the soldiers doesn't marry them, then occupy their houses and shoot any that dare return (which is VERY unlikely to happen because of the desert sun)
See "khaybar" in the quran.
I think we can manage to behave a LOT better than the islamists by killing anyone that even raises a finger to the soldiers without thinking twice and we'd STILL have the moral high ground.
Obviously ... they do ... have you checked the US budget lately ?
Now let's hear from you about how to make terrorists follow the geneva conventions, and for example NOT hide in the general population (which would destroy them immediately), not kidnap non-combatants, not kidnap any iraqi, not attack women, not throwing acid in people's faces, ...
... let's have it. Let's just post a notice on the local mosque "american army will face off with the terrorists, please meat us tomorrow on the meadow".
... let's have it. How do you force the muslim terrorists (islamofascists, ...) to follow the geneva conventions ? That would obviously imply no longer having women wear the burqa, which can be directly verified.
So
After all, this is the ONLY way to wage war allowed by the geneva convention. If any party declares not to follow the geneva convention (as both the shia's and the sunni's have done), the other party (that would be america) is no longer bound to protect the opponent's citizens, and can shoot anyone they like for any reason whatsoever.
So
You seem to have missed that I am european, not american.
That america will retain the lead, and even improve it.
... algebra ... computational theory ... everything is disappearing from exact science curricula. This cannot be a good thing.
I realize America's science is not progressing at the rate academics would like. However, this is happening everywhere, and it's a LOT worse over here. Trust me, a LOT.
Lots of material is being dropped from the curriculum. Phd positions are not getting filled. And everything is made easier in name of "everybody being equal", everybody "needs" equal access to university (and somehow access does not mean "a chance to try" but actual graduation), and the only way to do that is dropping the level of education by a lot.
Math is being dropped like a stone in every subject. Numerical analysis
As long as it has a programming language included, and a course on how to use it (Basic has lots of open courses available ... and I kinda don't think C++ would be very appropriate :-p)
As you very well know in Bosnia BOTH parties were mass-murdering. As you say yourself, muslims were involved, and not just as victims.
... finished. Any questions ? Note that for most of these massacres statements from the leaders are available that establish undeniably that they did it for islam. Here's one of the often quoted justifications, straight from the book of the paedophile prophet :
These are all massacres motivated by islam from recent history (last 30-40 years) :
Turkish Armenian Genocide on christians : 1
Syrian Genocide on palestinians : 2 (which was, btw, not unprovoked, as palestinians definitely started this)
Iraqi Genocide of the kurds : 3
Iraqi Genocide of the druze : 4
Iraqi Genocide on christians : 5
(there are more, much more in iraq, so I'm adding 3) : 8
The lebanese "revolution" (where hezbollah commited at least 5-10 genocides, one on american troops, also the PLO commited 2 times crimes that definitely qualify, in retaliation the christians also massacred a number of muslims) : 13
Afghanistan massacre : 14
Second afghani massacre led by current head of taliban : 15
Iran massacres during islamic revolution (2 of them that we know of) : 17
Iraq : Shiite massacres against Sunni's 5 incidents (and counting) : 22
Iraq : Sunni massacres (mostly against mahdi army supporters or soldiers) : 7 incidents (and counting) : 29
Ok started
"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Infidels wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war; but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and pay Zakat, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft- forgiving, Most Merciful." (Quran 9:5)