"it simply states that you are a better programmer than anyone who uses HN whose code you've seen, which suggests that either you've not seen vary much code or you're in no position to judge the quality of other people's code."
It could also be that people that use HN are worse programmers, like he says. He never said HN was bad, he said programmers that use HN are bad.
Why is this modded interesting? It's just the same old myths again. The speed in games is not influenced much by the language that the high level logic is written in.
"Tell me again how filing a bug and being patient with Opensource is somehow different yet better than filing a bug and being patient with closed source?"
Like I have said, with opensource you have other options, including paying anyone to fix the bug for you. Also the majority (if not all?) of closed source programs do not have a bug tracking system (publically available) anywhere that is anywhere near as good as bugzilla.
I don't know where you got "Think bugs get fixed faster with Opensource" from. I don't recall saying that.
"To a non-coder, it really makes no difference where the source came from- open or closed, the source is useless. They're at the mercy of the same people."
This is so wrong, that you have to be trolling, surely? The whole point, the fundamental point, of open source and free software is that you are not at the mercy of anyone specific. You can pay any coder you want to fix the bugs that annoy you.
There's not too much difference. Jabber can be used as a fairly awesome MQ system.
Btw, I'm a kde developer, and currently looking at using kopete as a generic message queueing system for games (and other uses). We've also been discussing even running rendezvous/zeroconf over kopete.
"I'd rather be down the pub with my friends than fixing somebody else's bugs."
We all have our hobbies. Personally I'd rather be coding with my friends than getting drunk, but each to their own.
"If I'm at work it's going to piss my boss off if I have to fix somebody else's bug instead of doing the job that I'm paid to do."
Sounds like a bad boss. I've spent way too much time working around small bugs in software (Lotus Notes in my case) when it would have taken me a lot less time to have just fixed the bug directly.
You are trolling. Despite the harsh tone of the AC, they are correct. If you want to fix bugs, either learn to code, pay someone else to fix them. If you want a bug fixed, then file a bug and be patient.
This is still far better options then you have with closed source. All you can do there is be patient.
Please read the posts before getting angry.
The top level post said:
"but when was the last time you saw a bunch of desperate couch potatos try to put $80 mil together for medical research, space exploration, or charitable distribution?" (emphasis mine).
The anon coward pointed out the tsunami disaster for this.
Having said that, I don't really see the need to become 'better' at this. Most of what MS says is debunked easily enough, and the coders just keep on coding. I'm not sure I see the benefits in trying to fight MS in their own arena (PR etc).
(Btw, I'm assuming by "Open source movement" you mean just the people who verbably defend it and that side, rather than the coding side. That 'not proactive' etc is to do with the PR side.)
It's very dangerous to read patents because while infringing on a patent is bad, infringing on a patent knowingly is double as bad (literally - I seem to remember double damages?). If it can be shown that you even glanced at the patent, whether you thought it applied or not, you are in trouble.
"Constantly badmouthing Linux, thus keeping Linux in the mind of decision makers"
Agreed - first thing I was told about marketing was to never mention a competitor. That's why ads always say "leading brand" even if they could use the company name without being sued for slander. (At least in the UK - i heard American ads do mention competitors?)
It's all well and good except when you have a feedback loop where the more tolerant you are, the worse the input gets as users get more and more sloppy. I don't want a 'tolerant' xhtml parser for instance. Otherwise we end up with the stupidity of html again.
How about the Open Source community just not immediately trusting gifts given?
There seems to be this view that if someone offers a gift, then being suspicious of their motives is bad.
Slashdot commentators are very bad at analogies, so I won't break that tradition with this one:
Various charities, such as greenpeace etc, are very wary about companies wanting to talk to them and/or give them gifts. Because often the companies then turn around and claim they are 'working with' greenpeace etc, without actually doing anything.
Have you seen the BBC program "Power of Nightmares"? I watched it and downloaded the bittorrent of it. I think kuro5hin mentioned it. But anyway, it mentions what you talk about it.
Oh come on, what effects? I have never seen evidence of terrorism being the slightest bit of threat to the UK or America. Sure it kills a few people, but so do cars. It doesn't threaten the country/state at all.
Similiar thing here. I got a first in my computer degree, but my phd is engineering (I've just started the second year now). I'm currently trying to study for a physics degree as well (Open university is great)
I also did a coding competition thing, but for Barclays Bank. They put us up in nice hotels with free drinks and gave us all ipaqs (nice ones too).
But they made some bad judgements. Stuff like repeatedly emphasising that you don't need to be the brightest, in fact they take on 2.1 and 2.2 grade students. While this is great, it's not quite what you say to recruit the guys that won the coding competition... Also while they had linux servers, they downplayed them heavily and talked about the windows machines. ( I got the feeling the management didn't actually know they had linux machines).
But what annoyed me most.. is they told us this story about how one of the security guards saw smoke coming from the servers in the server farm. He hit the emergency stop, which turned off all the machines. Turned out it was just dust. but they fired the poor guy. I asked what measures they put in place to stop that happening again, and they said uh none.
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Your logic is faulty, both reading and writing.
"it simply states that you are a better programmer than anyone who uses HN whose code you've seen, which suggests that either you've not seen vary much code or you're in no position to judge the quality of other people's code."
It could also be that people that use HN are worse programmers, like he says. He never said HN was bad, he said programmers that use HN are bad.
Why is this modded interesting? It's just the same old myths again.
The speed in games is not influenced much by the language that the high level logic is written in.
"Tell me again how filing a bug and being patient with Opensource is somehow different yet better than filing a bug and being patient with closed source?"
Like I have said, with opensource you have other options, including paying anyone to fix the bug for you. Also the majority (if not all?) of closed source programs do not have a bug tracking system (publically available) anywhere that is anywhere near as good as bugzilla.
I don't know where you got "Think bugs get fixed faster with Opensource" from. I don't recall saying that.
"To a non-coder, it really makes no difference where the source came from- open or closed, the source is useless. They're at the mercy of the same people."
This is so wrong, that you have to be trolling, surely? The whole point, the fundamental point, of open source and free software is that you are not at the mercy of anyone specific. You can pay any coder you want to fix the bugs that annoy you.
Why did I associate going to the pub with getting drunk? Oh no idea, what a crazy thought ;)
There's not too much difference.
Jabber can be used as a fairly awesome MQ system.
Btw, I'm a kde developer, and currently looking at using kopete as a generic message queueing system for games (and other uses). We've also been discussing even running rendezvous/zeroconf over kopete.
"I'd rather be down the pub with my friends than fixing somebody else's bugs."
We all have our hobbies. Personally I'd rather be coding with my friends than getting drunk, but each to their own.
"If I'm at work it's going to piss my boss off if I have to fix somebody else's bug instead of doing the job that I'm paid to do."
Sounds like a bad boss. I've spent way too much time working around small bugs in software (Lotus Notes in my case) when it would have taken me a lot less time to have just fixed the bug directly.
You are trolling. Despite the harsh tone of the AC, they are correct. If you want to fix bugs, either learn to code, pay someone else to fix them. If you want a bug fixed, then file a bug and be patient.
This is still far better options then you have with closed source. All you can do there is be patient.
Please read the posts before getting angry.
The top level post said:
"but when was the last time you saw a bunch of desperate couch potatos try to put $80 mil together for medical research, space exploration, or charitable distribution?" (emphasis mine).
The anon coward pointed out the tsunami disaster for this.
I hope you do write up more on this.
Having said that, I don't really see the need to become 'better' at this. Most of what MS says is debunked easily enough, and the coders just keep on coding. I'm not sure I see the benefits in trying to fight MS in their own arena (PR etc).
(Btw, I'm assuming by "Open source movement" you mean just the people who verbably defend it and that side, rather than the coding side. That 'not proactive' etc is to do with the PR side.)
Bah, I bet you're gonna say their story that "Bin Laden filmmaker sues Michael Moore" isn't true either.
It's very dangerous to read patents because while infringing on a patent is bad, infringing on a patent knowingly is double as bad (literally - I seem to remember double damages?). If it can be shown that you even glanced at the patent, whether you thought it applied or not, you are in trouble.
"Constantly badmouthing Linux, thus keeping Linux in the mind of decision makers"
Agreed - first thing I was told about marketing was to never mention a competitor. That's why ads always say "leading brand" even if they could use the company name without being sued for slander. (At least in the UK - i heard American ads do mention competitors?)
It was meant for general user input.
It's all well and good except when you have a feedback loop where the more tolerant you are, the worse the input gets as users get more and more sloppy.
I don't want a 'tolerant' xhtml parser for instance. Otherwise we end up with the stupidity of html again.
You still don't understand quite how it works.
Read up on it please.
Heh, this sounds just like real politics. Unfortunately there are people like you in real life too.
well that cleared it up......
While I would agree normally, I think you do need that strict a definition for something like a word processing format.
I thought the latter was apple?
FUD is a bad for both sides. Microsoft don't have any kind of history of using patents badly.
How about the Open Source community just not immediately trusting gifts given?
There seems to be this view that if someone offers a gift, then being suspicious of their motives is bad.
Slashdot commentators are very bad at analogies, so I won't break that tradition with this one:
Various charities, such as greenpeace etc, are very wary about companies wanting to talk to them and/or give them gifts. Because often the companies then turn around and claim they are 'working with' greenpeace etc, without actually doing anything.
Have you seen the BBC program "Power of Nightmares"? I watched it and downloaded the bittorrent of it. I think kuro5hin mentioned it.
But anyway, it mentions what you talk about it.
Oh come on, what effects? I have never seen evidence of terrorism being the slightest bit of threat to the UK or America. Sure it kills a few people, but so do cars. It doesn't threaten the country/state at all.
Similiar thing here.
I got a first in my computer degree, but my phd is engineering (I've just started the second year now). I'm currently trying to study for a physics degree as well (Open university is great)
I also did a coding competition thing, but for Barclays Bank. They put us up in nice hotels with free drinks and gave us all ipaqs (nice ones too).
But they made some bad judgements. Stuff like repeatedly emphasising that you don't need to be the brightest, in fact they take on 2.1 and 2.2 grade students. While this is great, it's not quite what you say to recruit the guys that won the coding competition... Also while they had linux servers, they downplayed them heavily and talked about the windows machines. ( I got the feeling the management didn't actually know they had linux machines).
But what annoyed me most.. is they told us this story about how one of the security guards saw smoke coming from the servers in the server farm. He hit the emergency stop, which turned off all the machines. Turned out it was just dust. but they fired the poor guy. I asked what measures they put in place to stop that happening again, and they said uh none.
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