If 97% of the people believe that the earth is the center of the universe and that the sun revolves around the earth, then it must be correct, right? And we must persecute the one guy who thinks that the earth revolves around the sun.
The blood elves that are joining the horde are not the same ones that went through the portal with Kael'thas. They stayed behind, but now want to travel through the portal to search for more sources of magic to feed their addiction. Most likely there will be some quests that explain why they aren't allied with Kael that no one will read and later claim that fighting him as a raid boss doesn't make sense.
That's a pretty solid theme in this game. People never read a single quest or listen to NPC's, then claim the game has zero storyline or that questline X makes no sense. And as soon as something changes and they claimed they "ruined the lore". God forbid something CHANGE in the world. I mean, the Cold War was rockin' back in the 80's! Put that Berlin wall back up!
Are why men don't believe there are "real" girls on the internet. The few that are on the internet are usually completely socially maladjusted attention seekers.
You just made my argument for me. You don't trust Blizzard, so you don't give them your credit card. Only it took you half a page to say that. Further, it's hardly a "free trial" when you've already paid $50 for the box. It's more like "the first month is included in the game price".
But, thank you, I don't believe I've been legitimately able to include the word fuck so many times in a single Slashdot post by quoting the person I'm responding to.
Funny, you quoted the same thing twice, and used the word "fuck" on your own in two seperate places. Idiot.
1. As far as I can tell, not a single person who wasn't also attempting to write or use bots and cheat tools has quite over this. I have never even HEARD of someone quitting over this. In contrast, I know tons of people who are HAPPY that there is an anti-bot/cheat mechanism in place.
2. "Next time around" has only shown that more and more companies are implementing systems like this. Just look at Valve Anti-cheat and Punkbuster. Punkbuster is now a part of Quake4, Doom3, Battlefield 2, Farcry, Call of Duty, and Rainbow Six 3. Soon to be a part of every sequel to these games, too, including Call of Duty 2 and Enemey Territory: Quake Wars.
Players want anticheat clients. They want a fair game.
If you honestly don't trust Blizzard with your CC number for a free trial, why on earth would you ever trust them for a paid subscription service? Your argument makes no fucking sense. You either trust a company with your CC number, or you don't. There is no "I only trust them if I want them to charge it".
It's cat and mouse. The difference is they have massive amounts of revenue and much greater cause to continue the fight than your average cheat developer. This is unfortunately the situation that has befallen any game company that wants to have a cheat-free online game. See: Punkbuster, Valve Anti-cheat.
I think part of the reason this is getting so much attention, is because of non-players. Well I am a gamer. Games are optional software. There is nothing forcing you to play them. They are entertainment. When I play a competitive game, that I pay a monthly fee for, I like to make an agreement with the company. The agreement is that they will put forth a certain minimal amount of effort to prevent cheats. For my part of the agreement, I agree not to cheat. If it means that anonymous hashes of information stored on my computer is sent to Blizzard, so be it. If I did not agree to this, (and this is key here) I would not play the game.
I for one, applaud Blizzard on their pro-active approach to preventing cheats. There was nothing covert about this program. It was clearly stated in the EULA/TOS/Whatever you agree to whenever a new patch is released. If you are concerned about the EULA contents, read it instead of skipping over it. If you do not agree to it's contents, click decline and cancel your account.
It was quite clearly revealed, in all caps no less, in the updated EULA/TOS/whatever it is with the first patch to contain the warden. In fact it's pretty much the only capitalized section of the terms. Further, WoW doesn't make you agree to the terms every time you log in. Only when you install a patch and/or the terms are changed. So it's not like it's something you click through every time you login and learn to ignore. Plus it shows the date of the terms prominently at the top right corner. So if you see the date updated, you can know to read them for changes.
Blizzard is not trying to hide anything, and never was.
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Oh I'm sorry, I forgot that companies were supposed to let people pirate their games and not try to defend their trademarks (hey, it's not like they'd lose it!).
This is not new. Nor is it more invasive than other methods. If you swear off ever playing a game that uses anti-cheat software, you will find you have very few games left to play. And the ones you do play, you will have to deal with jerks ruining the game for everyone else.
You don't get ANY XP from MC. Ask a 59 who's been there. Divide by 40, then add the 50% penalty for being in a raid, and you're looking at 14xp per mob.
And do you consider leveling to 50 making scarlet monestary "more accessible"? No, it makes it trivial, unchallenging, boring, and unfun.
Did you even read my post? If you can just keep doing MC and fighting mobs who are 10 levels lower (giving you massive resist and chance to hit bonuses, and stat bonuses and spell levels way beyond what was intended for the dungeon) and keep dropping better items than level appropriate dungeons, then that's a problem for the game. No one will have any incentive to do harder dugeons for lesser rewards.
Could you provide an example of this? Just name the level 70 dungeon, and one of the level 75 superior drops.
I said "currently". I never said this couldn't change. I never said their item level model wouldn't change. I just said according to the current system.
So what will change when the level cap is raised? Nothing.
That was part of my point. It's an arbitrary and artificial change. People who are raiders who are level 60 will reach 70 in under a month. It's a roadbump. It's trivial. There was no reason to increase it. Not only was there no reason, it breaks the logic of their current end game model. That was the whole point of my post.
As for the people who completed quests as level 60 without getting a nudge in their XP bar...so?
That was a trivial complaint, but still part of the argument that it shouldn't be raised.
My post was to inform people of the various issues with raising the level cap, and why I and some others with the information we have now believe it's a mistake.
Uh, if the game isn't supposed to start at 60 then how come all the raid content requires level 60? How come they are adding more raid content? How come there will be a ton of level 70 raid dungeons after the expansion comes out? It seems like you people who play from 1-60 and then quit the next day are the ones playing the wrong game. WoW was even advertised and hyped up as the MMO that started when you reached max level.
No I don't hard grind my characters to 60. I enjoy doing quests and instances and the process of leveling up. But I do it with the goal of that character participating in the end game content. My characters are intended to go to raids, to do battlegrounds, to complete quests to get gear and gain access to areas and to craft end game items and gather end game crafting resources.
You might have fun getting to 60 and quitting, that's fine. But I seriously doubt the players who do that are the ones Blizzard is banking their business model on. They want and need people who stay on after reaching max level and want to participate in the raid game. And FYI you don't need to devote 40 hrs a week to raid in WoW. Usually 8 a week is more than enough, as long as your guild's schedule matches with your free time.
Basically, leveling to 70 will be a short term hassle. Most 60's who already have raid gear will reach it in a week or three. But it's a hassle we were told was a remnant of older MMO's. Something we wouldn't have to deal with anymore.
The reason for the complaint is valid, and it has to do with their existing itemization system.
Currently, the best items in the game are required level 60 epic items. By being epic quality over superior quality, the amount of stats available on the item is increased by a certain amount. Up until 60, the "item level" is usually 5 levels above the "required level" to equip the item. After 60, however, you see item levels as high as 83 on drops from Nefarian, currently the hardest boss in the game. So logically, if you're level 70, Molten Core and Blackwing Lair, currently the hardest dungeons, will actually be extremely easy. Additionally, the rewards from this dungeon will be item level 76-83 epics. Your average blue drop from a level 70 5 man dungeon will be an item level 75 superior item. This means an easier, lower level dungeon, will have vastly more powerful rewards. This is why people like myself were confident that the level cap wouldn't be raised, and are disappointed it was.
Before WoW came out, Blizzard said they wanted to move away from the level grind treadmill. They wanted getting to level 60 to be the start of the game, not the end. Raising the level cap goes against this. It reintroduces the treadmill people thought they were done with. Additionally, it completely breaks the current balance of the talent point system (Presence of mind + Arcane power + Pyroblast anyone? Not to mention Deathwish + Mortal Strike + Flurry. Or for you shaman haters out there, nature's swiftness, improved windfury, clearcasting, and fully buffed shocks).
Let's not forget the thousands of level 60 characters who have killed million of mobs and done a hundred or so quests (with XP rewards as high as 10k) without getting even a nudge on their XP bar.
I'm not saying it won't work out, because if anyone can make it work it's probably Blizzard. It's just from where I'm standing now, raising the level cap goes against what they've implied in the past and looks like a mistake.
With ad blocking becoming ever more popular among users, why do you block ads?
I block ads because they are intrusive and interfere with my ability to read or enjoy websites.
And with what?
Firefox's popup blocker, and the almighty hosts file.
Do you view internet ads as different from say, TV ads?
I skip those, too, when I can, on things I have recorded on DVR. I used to see them as opportunities to use the restroom or grab a snack, but now I have a pause button. Often pausing to use the restroom or grab a drink enables me to skip some ads in the future. My time is controlled by me, and not by the television. This is a Good Thing.
What about in a magazine? Do you not buy a magazine because it has too many?
Yes. In fact, I've stopped reading magazines for the most part. 90% of the information they contain can be obtained through websites a month before that. And for the 10% that's "exclusive", it becomes accessible before the page even hits the stands, usually. If not almost immediately after.
As far as I'm concerned, it's a dead medium. I do read the newspaper occasionally.
Or, more likely, you simply saw a file with the extension ".gif" and came up with your own pronounciation.
Let's just say there's a 50% chance you selected "gif" instead of "jif". That means you are incorrectly identifying 50% of the people you encounter as "non-newbies".
Attempting to identify "newbies" by how they pronounce words that 99% of people first encounter in text form only, and are unlikely to even say aloud to other people until they had already read it to themselves in their head one way a hundred thousand times is rather stupid.
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If 97% of the people believe that the earth is the center of the universe and that the sun revolves around the earth, then it must be correct, right? And we must persecute the one guy who thinks that the earth revolves around the sun.
Nintendo has been "dying" since the PSX was released. They'll probably keep on "dying" for the next 10 years. *shrug*
The blood elves that are joining the horde are not the same ones that went through the portal with Kael'thas. They stayed behind, but now want to travel through the portal to search for more sources of magic to feed their addiction. Most likely there will be some quests that explain why they aren't allied with Kael that no one will read and later claim that fighting him as a raid boss doesn't make sense.
That's a pretty solid theme in this game. People never read a single quest or listen to NPC's, then claim the game has zero storyline or that questline X makes no sense. And as soon as something changes and they claimed they "ruined the lore". God forbid something CHANGE in the world. I mean, the Cold War was rockin' back in the 80's! Put that Berlin wall back up!
No, that's where the fun starts.
Are why men don't believe there are "real" girls on the internet. The few that are on the internet are usually completely socially maladjusted attention seekers.
Just like the men secretly know themselves to be.
Dude, that's one hell of a double-standard you've got there.
Not really, most girls have the same standard. Why do you think there are so many jokes about people who post on slashdot being virgins?
You just made my argument for me. You don't trust Blizzard, so you don't give them your credit card. Only it took you half a page to say that. Further, it's hardly a "free trial" when you've already paid $50 for the box. It's more like "the first month is included in the game price".
But, thank you, I don't believe I've been legitimately able to include the word fuck so many times in a single Slashdot post by quoting the person I'm responding to.
Funny, you quoted the same thing twice, and used the word "fuck" on your own in two seperate places. Idiot.
Every time you install a patch it posts both the original, game release agreement, as well as the most recent agreement.
Have fun not playing computer games.
Then shut the hell up. You already made your statement in this debate by not buying the game(s). Most people do not agree with you. Deal with it.
1. As far as I can tell, not a single person who wasn't also attempting to write or use bots and cheat tools has quite over this. I have never even HEARD of someone quitting over this. In contrast, I know tons of people who are HAPPY that there is an anti-bot/cheat mechanism in place.
2. "Next time around" has only shown that more and more companies are implementing systems like this. Just look at Valve Anti-cheat and Punkbuster. Punkbuster is now a part of Quake4, Doom3, Battlefield 2, Farcry, Call of Duty, and Rainbow Six 3. Soon to be a part of every sequel to these games, too, including Call of Duty 2 and Enemey Territory: Quake Wars.
Players want anticheat clients. They want a fair game.
If you honestly don't trust Blizzard with your CC number for a free trial, why on earth would you ever trust them for a paid subscription service? Your argument makes no fucking sense. You either trust a company with your CC number, or you don't. There is no "I only trust them if I want them to charge it".
It's cat and mouse. The difference is they have massive amounts of revenue and much greater cause to continue the fight than your average cheat developer. This is unfortunately the situation that has befallen any game company that wants to have a cheat-free online game. See: Punkbuster, Valve Anti-cheat.
I think part of the reason this is getting so much attention, is because of non-players. Well I am a gamer. Games are optional software. There is nothing forcing you to play them. They are entertainment. When I play a competitive game, that I pay a monthly fee for, I like to make an agreement with the company. The agreement is that they will put forth a certain minimal amount of effort to prevent cheats. For my part of the agreement, I agree not to cheat. If it means that anonymous hashes of information stored on my computer is sent to Blizzard, so be it. If I did not agree to this, (and this is key here) I would not play the game.
I for one, applaud Blizzard on their pro-active approach to preventing cheats. There was nothing covert about this program. It was clearly stated in the EULA/TOS/Whatever you agree to whenever a new patch is released. If you are concerned about the EULA contents, read it instead of skipping over it. If you do not agree to it's contents, click decline and cancel your account.
Simple.
It was quite clearly revealed, in all caps no less, in the updated EULA/TOS/whatever it is with the first patch to contain the warden. In fact it's pretty much the only capitalized section of the terms. Further, WoW doesn't make you agree to the terms every time you log in. Only when you install a patch and/or the terms are changed. So it's not like it's something you click through every time you login and learn to ignore. Plus it shows the date of the terms prominently at the top right corner. So if you see the date updated, you can know to read them for changes.
Blizzard is not trying to hide anything, and never was.
Oh I'm sorry, I forgot that companies were supposed to let people pirate their games and not try to defend their trademarks (hey, it's not like they'd lose it!).
This is not new. Nor is it more invasive than other methods. If you swear off ever playing a game that uses anti-cheat software, you will find you have very few games left to play. And the ones you do play, you will have to deal with jerks ruining the game for everyone else.
You don't get ANY XP from MC. Ask a 59 who's been there. Divide by 40, then add the 50% penalty for being in a raid, and you're looking at 14xp per mob.
And do you consider leveling to 50 making scarlet monestary "more accessible"? No, it makes it trivial, unchallenging, boring, and unfun.
Did you even read my post? If you can just keep doing MC and fighting mobs who are 10 levels lower (giving you massive resist and chance to hit bonuses, and stat bonuses and spell levels way beyond what was intended for the dungeon) and keep dropping better items than level appropriate dungeons, then that's a problem for the game. No one will have any incentive to do harder dugeons for lesser rewards.
Could you provide an example of this? Just name the level 70 dungeon, and one of the level 75 superior drops.
I said "currently". I never said this couldn't change. I never said their item level model wouldn't change. I just said according to the current system.
So what will change when the level cap is raised? Nothing.
That was part of my point. It's an arbitrary and artificial change. People who are raiders who are level 60 will reach 70 in under a month. It's a roadbump. It's trivial. There was no reason to increase it. Not only was there no reason, it breaks the logic of their current end game model. That was the whole point of my post.
As for the people who completed quests as level 60 without getting a nudge in their XP bar...so?
That was a trivial complaint, but still part of the argument that it shouldn't be raised.
My post was to inform people of the various issues with raising the level cap, and why I and some others with the information we have now believe it's a mistake.
Uh, if the game isn't supposed to start at 60 then how come all the raid content requires level 60? How come they are adding more raid content? How come there will be a ton of level 70 raid dungeons after the expansion comes out? It seems like you people who play from 1-60 and then quit the next day are the ones playing the wrong game. WoW was even advertised and hyped up as the MMO that started when you reached max level.
No I don't hard grind my characters to 60. I enjoy doing quests and instances and the process of leveling up. But I do it with the goal of that character participating in the end game content. My characters are intended to go to raids, to do battlegrounds, to complete quests to get gear and gain access to areas and to craft end game items and gather end game crafting resources.
You might have fun getting to 60 and quitting, that's fine. But I seriously doubt the players who do that are the ones Blizzard is banking their business model on. They want and need people who stay on after reaching max level and want to participate in the raid game. And FYI you don't need to devote 40 hrs a week to raid in WoW. Usually 8 a week is more than enough, as long as your guild's schedule matches with your free time.
Basically, leveling to 70 will be a short term hassle. Most 60's who already have raid gear will reach it in a week or three. But it's a hassle we were told was a remnant of older MMO's. Something we wouldn't have to deal with anymore.
The reason for the complaint is valid, and it has to do with their existing itemization system.
Currently, the best items in the game are required level 60 epic items. By being epic quality over superior quality, the amount of stats available on the item is increased by a certain amount. Up until 60, the "item level" is usually 5 levels above the "required level" to equip the item. After 60, however, you see item levels as high as 83 on drops from Nefarian, currently the hardest boss in the game. So logically, if you're level 70, Molten Core and Blackwing Lair, currently the hardest dungeons, will actually be extremely easy. Additionally, the rewards from this dungeon will be item level 76-83 epics. Your average blue drop from a level 70 5 man dungeon will be an item level 75 superior item. This means an easier, lower level dungeon, will have vastly more powerful rewards. This is why people like myself were confident that the level cap wouldn't be raised, and are disappointed it was.
Before WoW came out, Blizzard said they wanted to move away from the level grind treadmill. They wanted getting to level 60 to be the start of the game, not the end. Raising the level cap goes against this. It reintroduces the treadmill people thought they were done with. Additionally, it completely breaks the current balance of the talent point system (Presence of mind + Arcane power + Pyroblast anyone? Not to mention Deathwish + Mortal Strike + Flurry. Or for you shaman haters out there, nature's swiftness, improved windfury, clearcasting, and fully buffed shocks).
Let's not forget the thousands of level 60 characters who have killed million of mobs and done a hundred or so quests (with XP rewards as high as 10k) without getting even a nudge on their XP bar.
I'm not saying it won't work out, because if anyone can make it work it's probably Blizzard. It's just from where I'm standing now, raising the level cap goes against what they've implied in the past and looks like a mistake.
Soylent cola.
With ad blocking becoming ever more popular among users, why do you block ads?
I block ads because they are intrusive and interfere with my ability to read or enjoy websites.
And with what?
Firefox's popup blocker, and the almighty hosts file.
Do you view internet ads as different from say, TV ads?
I skip those, too, when I can, on things I have recorded on DVR. I used to see them as opportunities to use the restroom or grab a snack, but now I have a pause button. Often pausing to use the restroom or grab a drink enables me to skip some ads in the future. My time is controlled by me, and not by the television. This is a Good Thing.
What about in a magazine? Do you not buy a magazine because it has too many?
Yes. In fact, I've stopped reading magazines for the most part. 90% of the information they contain can be obtained through websites a month before that. And for the 10% that's "exclusive", it becomes accessible before the page even hits the stands, usually. If not almost immediately after.
As far as I'm concerned, it's a dead medium. I do read the newspaper occasionally.
Or, more likely, you simply saw a file with the extension ".gif" and came up with your own pronounciation.
Let's just say there's a 50% chance you selected "gif" instead of "jif". That means you are incorrectly identifying 50% of the people you encounter as "non-newbies".
Attempting to identify "newbies" by how they pronounce words that 99% of people first encounter in text form only, and are unlikely to even say aloud to other people until they had already read it to themselves in their head one way a hundred thousand times is rather stupid.