"...get its documentation all in one place, and get my head around it."
Ever visited php.net ? the official PHP manual is one of the best manuals I've ever read. Everything is there! Well organized and easy to find. You also have user comments which are extremely helpful.
<i>"Speaking of database calls, why is there zero abstraction in PHP?"</i>
How hard is it to code your own wrapper functions to add your own level of abstraction on top of php's DB functions? Or use one of the million classes out there already created for you?
<i>"Also I think the embedded nature of PHP, while handy in simple cases, encourages people to mix up program logic and presentation. "</i>
Embedded languages like php/jsp/asp PROMOTE separation of presentation and program logic!
In addition for more complex cases, it is easy create html templates to add yet another level of abstraction to your scripts/presentation.
Ask your html designers to try importing the.pl file into their favorite html editor (dream weaver? front page?) You can say bye bye to your perl code. In the other hand, with script tags like <? ?> The editors will know not to touch those!
How about text editors that do syntax high-lighting? with <? ?> they can do syntax highlighting for both, HTML AND PHP! giving the programmer a visual of the actual separation!
So.. the embedded approach encourages people to mix up program logic with presentation? Don't think so.
And I agree with the "real job" prespective. I too work at home and my mom does exactly the same thing. "Help me out here.. , go pick up your sister from work.. , go buy this..." I can't stand it! They don't seem to comprehend it is a REAL job.:(
Not to stereotype but A lot, if not most/. users now a days are teenagers, and most of the users of those usenets back then were older professionals working on the field. They were serious about the technology and respectful about other memebers of the community.
"From: larry@extel.UUCP (larry@extel.UUCP) Subject: Re: Computer bugs in the year 2000 Newsgroups: net.bugs View this article only Date: 1985-01-24 10:05:00 PST
Another problem is that we have gotten into the habit of only using the last 2 digits of the year (look at your checkbook). Even worse is that some business software only allows a 2 character wide field for the date. Perhaps the designers did not expect their program to be in use in the year 2000 but I would not be suprised to see a considerable amount of 370 code running in the year 2000.
Just think that in a few years you will be able to refer to the year 2002 as aught-two! By the way the Websters Thesaurus also lists ought as an alternate spelling to aught."
Say what? aught-two ?? Anyone here calls it aught-two ??
Hes ensuring accurate communication is conducted. Hackers == Crackers only in pop-culture, and this is a nerd culture so the proper name for those people should be used. CRACKERS!
"One of the beautiful things about open-source products such as this, though, is that you can freely modify the source code and make your own build of the software to suit your specific needs. While many Ars readers do this, the average power-user will not, so we will skip over the build process and focus on the pre-compiled program itself."
Right off the bat you know he's just saying this out of courtesy, to say that he mentioned
one of the strenghts of OSS, and not get flamed.
In the other hand..Hopefully he undertands that being able to look at the code
and modify it to suit your needs is not the only benefit of an OSS project like this.
"Mozilla could have handled many of these problems in much the same way Opera does: by spoofing the browser identity string to impersonate another browser. This functionality isn't present in Mozilla, even though it would solve many of the incompatibilities between Mozilla and the rest of the internet."
You mean incompatiblities between lazy web designers and the web standards?.. Why should the web browser pretend to be something else and bend the standards and allow those designers to continue with the non-compliant code?
"I much prefer Windows XP's taskbar grouping, but many people see tabbed browsing as a godsend."
Ok, first of all.. we all know its not "Windows XP's". 2nd.. How in the world can you prefer the taskbar grouping over tabbed browsing? Tabbed browsing is way more efficient than having to move you mouse all the way to the bottom , click and wait for the task list to show up, and then remember which was the window you wanted.
"Unfortunately, you cannot tell it to open all new windows in new tabs, regardless of how they are generated, so you will end up with more than one Navigator window on your screen from time to time."
CTRL + click !
"A good UI is functional, adaptable and transparent. Navigator is reasonably functional, completely inflexible, and sticks out like a sore thumb."
reasonably functional - eh... way more functional than your normal browser out there. completely inflexible - hmm, no? sticks out like a sore thumb - this is actually arguable. Although I have become acustomed to the interface, I wish it was faster.
"Most of Navigator's looks are defined with "skins" and skin developers have quite a bit of control over how the browser looks."
You are contradicting yourself! see previous point.
"Much like IE, however, it will remember per-session cookies even after you leave a page. It will hold that cookie until you close that particular browser window. If you often use a site that uses such cookies, make sure you log out of it - Navigator will not do it for you."
Out of curiousity.. What browser deletes a cookie when you leave a site? Most cookies used for one time log-in purposes on websites will stay for the duration of the browsing session or until they expire. Why would the browser delete it!?
"Some users may like the skinning features, and be fine with having limited control over where browser elements are placed and what they look like."
If you don't like a skin, dont use it..period. Is that not control?
"There is no feature compelling enough to prompt a switch from IE 6, aside from personal taste"
Personal taste? hahahah
- IE has 100 times more security holes
- pop-ups blocking
- tabbed browsing
- Web standards compliant (Gecko)
- Awsome community support
- Very useful plug-ins support: ie: Mouse Gestures
- Mozilla actually prints pages on paper better than IE.
- etc.. etc.. etc...
I switched long ago, and not only because of personal taste! plzzz
Although he makes some valuable points, you could tell right from the start, he was always defending IE. Now, thats personal taste(interest?)
I was at Futureshop (a computer/electronics store) the other day, I saw the new IMAC with MacOS X installed on it. I had to give it a try, so I told the sales clerk to log me in so i could try it out. Oh boy.. I was drooling at the nice clean *fun* interface, (Unlike the fisherprice WinXP theme). After a few minutes of playing around with it, I found it!.. "WeeeeeeHH Command line Terminal!!!!" I screamed. At that point the sales clerk walked away.
"For a desktop machine, its better you shut it down at night anyways to save electricity."
Now a days power consumption on your desktop machines is not that much.... in the other hand.. shutting down your computer every night and bringing it back up every morning.. wears out the HD.
Ok, Yes the probabilites of it hitting us are pretty slim. And as an earlier post mentioned, they're very slim before 2060. Probabilities of it hitting us increase after 2060.
So, my question is.. with our *current* technology can we take this thing down (if it were closer than it is now ofcourse)?
Yah! wtf.... I mean.. I love Java/J2ee..... and Ive hated.NET for the longest time, but I still dont know wha the bloody thing does. And yes ive *tried* to read MS docs and other docs, but they all read as hyped/commercialized/convoluted as a pr0n pop-up and dont tell me jack!.
"Somehow I doubt this. If Spam didn't work, why do I get a hundred pieces of it every morning? Someone is buying."
I've heard that theory hundreds of times, and yes, someone idiots must be buying, but It doesnt help that you are letting know the spammers that "hey! what you're doing must be working!"..
The best resource from java, besides the sun's various documentations is http://www.jguru.com, not only do they provide tutorials for basic things like Java Exceptions, but also allow you to post questions regarding different issues like various configurations of servers like Apache tomcat, Weblogic, etc. Jguru is an excellent way to see what the real life problems are, and what solutions are there.
How can two companies apply for a patent about the same technology within such small time gap? (3 weeks). Where their research teams working in the same building? Did they go to high school together?
Not joking here... I just watched a special report on this car on CNN en Español, and the lady reporting, who was also testing out the car, kept sayin..."Oh, theres that Microsoft Sound again..." at one point she goes.. "oh, that Microsoft sound is making me nervous". These parts were not translated by the spanish narrators, but the english version could be heard in the background. I was praying it didnt mean that the car was running windows, but I was wrong:(
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"...get its documentation all in one place, and get my head around it."
.pl file into their favorite html editor (dream weaver? front page?) You can say bye bye to your perl code. In the other hand, with script tags like <? ?> The editors will know not to touch those!
Ever visited php.net ? the official PHP manual is one of the best manuals I've ever read.
Everything is there! Well organized and easy to find. You also have user comments which are extremely helpful.
<i>"Speaking of database calls, why is there zero abstraction in PHP?"</i>
How hard is it to code your own wrapper functions to add your own level of abstraction on top of php's DB functions? Or use one of the million classes out there already created for you?
<i>"Also I think the embedded nature of PHP, while handy in simple cases, encourages people to mix up program logic and presentation. "</i>
So you are telling me that you prefer:
#!/usr/bin/perl
$var="Hello World";
print "Content-type:text/html\n\n";
print "<html>\n";
print "<body>\n";
print "$var\n";
print "</body>\n";
print "</html>\n";
Over this?
<?php $var="Hello World"; ?>
<html>
<body>
<?php print "$var\n"; ?>
</body>
</html>
Embedded languages like php/jsp/asp PROMOTE separation of presentation and program logic!
In addition for more complex cases, it is easy create html templates to add yet another level of abstraction to your scripts/presentation.
Ask your html designers to try importing the
How about text editors that do syntax high-lighting? with <? ?> they can do syntax highlighting for both, HTML AND PHP! giving the programmer a visual of the actual separation!
So.. the embedded approach encourages people to mix up program logic with presentation? Don't think so.
"7,800 DVDs ought to be enough for anybody" - loconet 2002
I agree with your point of view.
.. , go pick up your sister from work .. , go buy this..." I can't stand it! They don't seem to comprehend it is a REAL job. :(
And I agree with the "real job" prespective. I too work at home and my mom does exactly the same thing. "Help me out here
If the same books/content that would be @ the library 's hard copies are online, Why would the college not be a "real accreddited college"?
What makes ebooks more respectable/better than real hard books other than personal preference?.
Age is an important factor here.
/. users now a days are teenagers, and most of the users of those usenets back then were older professionals working on the field. They were serious about the technology and respectful about other memebers of the community.
Not to stereotype but A lot, if not most
"From: larry@extel.UUCP (larry@extel.UUCP)
Subject: Re: Computer bugs in the year 2000
Newsgroups: net.bugs
View this article only
Date: 1985-01-24 10:05:00 PST
Another problem is that we have gotten into the habit of only using the
last 2 digits of the year (look at your checkbook). Even worse is that
some business software only allows a 2 character wide field for the
date. Perhaps the designers did not expect their program to be in use
in the year 2000 but I would not be suprised to see a considerable
amount of 370 code running in the year 2000.
Just think that in a few years you will be able to refer to the
year 2002 as aught-two! By the way the Websters Thesaurus also lists
ought as an alternate spelling to aught."
Say what? aught-two ?? Anyone here calls it aught-two ??
Mod parent up! , hes not trolling !.
Hes ensuring accurate communication is conducted.
Hackers == Crackers only in pop-culture, and this is a nerd culture so the proper name for those people should be used. CRACKERS!
"One of the beautiful things about open-source products such as this, though,
.. Why should the web browser pretend
.. we all know its not "Windows XP's". 2nd.. How in the world can you prefer the taskbar grouping
..period. Is that not control?
.. etc .. etc ...
is that you can freely modify the source code and make your own build of the software to
suit your specific needs. While many Ars readers do this, the average power-user will not,
so we will skip over the build process and focus on the pre-compiled program itself."
Right off the bat you know he's just saying this out of courtesy, to say that he mentioned
one of the strenghts of OSS, and not get flamed.
In the other hand..Hopefully he undertands that being able to look at the code
and modify it to suit your needs is not the only benefit of an OSS project like this.
"Mozilla could have handled many of these problems in much the same way Opera does:
by spoofing the browser identity string to impersonate another browser.
This functionality isn't present in Mozilla, even though it would solve many of the incompatibilities between
Mozilla and the rest of the internet."
You mean incompatiblities between lazy web designers and the web standards?
to be something else and bend the standards and allow those designers to continue with the non-compliant code?
"I much prefer Windows XP's taskbar grouping, but many people see tabbed browsing as a godsend."
Ok, first of all
over tabbed browsing? Tabbed browsing is way more efficient than having to move you mouse all the way to the bottom
, click and wait for the task list to show up, and then remember which was the window you wanted.
"Unfortunately, you cannot tell it to open all new windows in new tabs, regardless of how they are generated,
so you will end up with more than one Navigator window on your screen from time to time."
CTRL + click !
"A good UI is functional, adaptable and transparent. Navigator is reasonably functional,
completely inflexible, and sticks out like a sore thumb."
reasonably functional - eh... way more functional than your normal browser out there.
completely inflexible - hmm, no?
sticks out like a sore thumb - this is actually arguable. Although I have become acustomed to the interface, I wish it was faster.
"Most of Navigator's looks are defined with "skins" and skin developers have quite a bit of control
over how the browser looks."
You are contradicting yourself! see previous point.
"Much like IE, however, it will remember per-session cookies even after you leave a page.
It will hold that cookie until you close that particular browser window.
If you often use a site that uses such cookies, make sure you log out of it - Navigator will not do it for you."
Out of curiousity.. What browser deletes a cookie when you leave a site? Most cookies used for one time log-in purposes
on websites will stay for the duration of the browsing session or until they expire. Why would the browser delete it!?
"Some users may like the skinning features, and be fine with having limited control over
where browser elements are placed and what they look like."
If you don't like a skin, dont use it
"There is no feature compelling enough to prompt a switch from IE 6, aside from personal taste"
Personal taste? hahahah
- IE has 100 times more security holes
- pop-ups blocking
- tabbed browsing
- Web standards compliant (Gecko)
- Awsome community support
- Very useful plug-ins support: ie: Mouse Gestures
- Mozilla actually prints pages on paper better than IE.
- etc
I switched long ago, and not only because of personal taste! plzzz
Although he makes some valuable points, you could tell right from the start, he was always defending IE. Now, thats personal taste(interest?)
after clicking on riaa link...
HTTP Error 403
403.9 Access Forbidden: Too many users are connected
This error can be caused if the Web server is busy and cannot process your request due to heavy traffic. Please try to connect again later.
Please contact the Web server's administrator if the problem persists.
Here are the testing kits direct links..
Linux
Solaris
HP-Unix
Cicso Router (nix)
Cisco Router (win)
Win2k/NT
Totally agree with you.
I was at Futureshop (a computer/electronics store) the other day, I saw the new IMAC with MacOS X installed on it. I had to give it a try, so I told the sales clerk to log me in so i could try it out.
Oh boy.. I was drooling at the nice clean *fun* interface, (Unlike the fisherprice WinXP theme). After a few minutes of playing around with it, I found it!.. "WeeeeeeHH Command line Terminal!!!!" I screamed. At that point the sales clerk walked away.
"For a desktop machine, its better you shut it down at night anyways to save electricity."
.... in the other hand.. shutting down your computer every night and bringing it back up every morning.. wears out the HD.
Now a days power consumption on your desktop machines is not that much
I wouldnt give WinXP C+.. Id give Win2k C+ and WinXP C
Ok, Yes the probabilites of it hitting us are pretty slim. And as an earlier post mentioned, they're very slim before 2060. Probabilities of it hitting us increase after 2060.
.. with our *current* technology can we take this thing down (if it were closer than it is now ofcourse)?
So, my question is
"VOYAGER 1 is currently more than 7.7 billion miles from Earth, and Voyager 2 is at a distance of more than 6 billion miles."
Yah! wtf .... I mean .. I love Java/J2ee ..... and Ive hated .NET for the longest time, but I still dont know wha the bloody thing does. And yes ive *tried* to read MS docs and other docs, but they all read as hyped/commercialized/convoluted as a pr0n pop-up and dont tell me jack!.
"... then take off across the room and explode on impact with the opposite wall. "
Or your head!!!..
"Somehow I doubt this. If Spam didn't work, why do I get a hundred pieces of it every morning? Someone is buying."
..
I've heard that theory hundreds of times, and yes, someone idiots must be buying, but It doesnt help that you are letting know the spammers that "hey! what you're doing must be working!"
Secure * Windows ? is that not an Oxymoron?
The best resource from java, besides the sun's various documentations is http://www.jguru.com, not only do they provide tutorials for basic things like Java Exceptions, but also allow you to post questions regarding different issues like various configurations of servers like Apache tomcat, Weblogic, etc. Jguru is an excellent way to see what the real life problems are, and what solutions are there.
Hey .. why dont u post some of the log entries ...to see for the first time how a webserver sees the /. effect :)
How can two companies apply for a patent about the same technology within such small time gap? (3 weeks). Where their research teams working in the same building? Did they go to high school together?
"* Powered by Crusoe 0.13 micron TM5800 processor at up to 1GHz"
What would be the equivelant of that 1GHz TM5800 processor in the X86 world?
Yall know that those airbags are not going to be your traditional ~WHITE~ colored airbags ..hehe
Not joking here... ..."Oh, theres that Microsoft Sound again ..." at one point she goes.. "oh, that Microsoft sound is making me nervous". These parts were not translated by the spanish narrators, but the english version could be heard in the background. I was praying it didnt mean that the car was running windows, but I was wrong :(
I just watched a special report on this car on CNN en Español, and the lady reporting, who was also testing out the car, kept sayin