If there are any SCO shareholders out there why are you letting your CEO risk YOUR money in what seems to be a the actions of a deluded lunatic.
Yes folks it's YOUR money not his and ultimately as shareholders you have the right to tell him to stop behaving like idiot and concentrate on competing by improving the product, not the legal team.
If you don't and IBM stamp SCO into the ground it's YOUR money that HE wasted trying to take on IBM and believe it, after this Linux will go on to kill off SCO as distributors turn away from the mess that's left.
DO IT NOW! Mail the CEO. Tell him your pissed off with him gambling your money, better still, tell him to resign and let someone more else have a go. It can't get much worse than it already is.
I can't help but wonder what kind of ace SCO is holding in reserve
I can't wait to see what kind of ace IBM have in their huge patent library. If SCO claim they didn't know their own code was in their own version of Linux they may have overlooked IBM code being there as well
a) grabbed loads of headlines as an easy for newbies distro
b) publicly humiliated Microsoft in court over it's name
c) Is available, pre-installed at Walmart, one of the USA's largest retailers and hence has a very wide market exposure.
This singled out attack is obviously preadatory against MS's percieved no. 1 threat. A blanket discount on all Linux distros would water it down a bit but still are the desktop monopoly and have to be taimed somehow.
Sadly, Bush's administration and the Anti-trust verdict in particular compound the situation by artificially propping MS up. Just because Windows is widely used doesn't mean it's the best and it's arguable that MS didn't get where it is by being the best run company in the world but by all the others being even worse at the time the market was forming. A prime example is Commodore who basically stopped developing the Amiga for some weird reason and assumed that people would carry on buying it.
I bet computers would be a damn site more impressive than they are now if the same amount of money had been poured into the Amiga as has PC development
Unilever reckon they are going to save 66 million a year by switching to Linux. If every company that owns sufficient machines threatened the switch leading MS to discount massively it could crash their share price leading shareholders to dump MS shares.
OK everyone 1,2,3, announce the switch to Linux.
Lets wipe the smile of Gates' face and see if we can induce a heart attack on Steve Ballmer
To alcohol! The cause of... and solution to all of life's problems! --- Homer Simpson
Ultimately, the fact that they are a monopoly is what defines the strategy as bad. For free market capitalism to work you have to have a level playing field. If you are going to allow a monopoly to exist, you may as well nationalise the whole lot and have done with it.
The bloat in Microsoft is only possible because they have 95% of the desktop market sewn up. If (when) Linux hits the desktop in the same way it has the servers, MS are going to have to increase the efficiency of their operation e.g. redundancies and longer hours.
I for one cannot believe that MS put 5 billion a year into development unless of course it went into designing better blue screens and Teletubbie land backdrops.
Funnily enough I went to see my MP about ageism in the employment market and his response was "there's no point, it would be impossible to enforce a law against that".
When I replied "What, in the same way that it's impossible to enforce laws against sexism and racism" he had little to say, well bugger all to say actually. You see the problem is we old farts (I'm 38) are obviously too over the hill to learn anything new, or is it that we're just not a politically correct enough minority even though older peoplke are the fastest growing section of the population.
My kneejerk reaction, the same one anyone else over 30 would have, is that the guy is a buffoon
I'd have preferred fuckwit or shit-for-brains personally but maybe that's what 3 years of job rejections does for you
A blanket price cut to $50 for everyone is not the same as a price cut for Lindows users. If M$ were to drop the base price of XP to $50 for all users that would be a sign of M$ reacting to competition in the marketplace by costing XP at the price that it's worth.
Giving discounts only to Lindows users is a sign that they're sights are on Lindows and killing it is the number 1 priority and their only intention.
There's still the question of whether discounting for one distributor breaks anti-trust. I can feel all those blind eyes turning at the DoJ already.
Where did you get the impression that the Antitrust verdict was designed to tame the beast? Bush, like Blair in the UK is certainly singing to the tune of big business and fairness, ethics and honesty don't seem to be part of the formula
The funniest one's gotta be the British government. They were sold the line that kitting the UK gov out with Windows would get them a £100 million discount over the first three years with a kick back when other governemts bought the same system making the British Government ( a public body that ethically should not directly involve itself in the workings of individual businesses) a Microsoft Business Partner.
So far no other government's bought it so no kickback, it runs on Passport which the EU declared violates European Data Protection law and once MS is installed end to end you can see the discount evaporating.
Gullible, I'll bet. At the beginning the gov. ripped out Linux servers that had been in place for years running UK Online, a system that had received many international awards for excellence and replaced it with MS stuff that only worked with IE5 and has been pilloried for being a bad deal for end users, badly designedand over complicated to navigate.
Apparently, MS donated £11 million to UK aids charities around this time and in exchange for this was paid £15 million for a crap system. Funnily enough this leaves the charities £4 million worse off than if the gov. had donated the money straight to them.
Of course to suggest that the government was forming partnerships based on the desire of the prime minister to be seen with rich and famous people would be terribly cynical.
If you can make your software so superior that it justifies the cost people will pay for it whatever platform it runs on. Just 'cos you write something to run on Linux doesn't mean it has to be free. Check out the dual personal/educational vs for profit licence at www.dansguardian.org.
Better product than any proprietry filter I've tried so I use it at home. If I put it in the office I'll happily pay and not pirate.
Reminds me of a Tom Sharpe book based in South Africa where all the different security agencies are sending out agents to infiltrate groups like the ANC. Turns out that all the terrorist groups are comprised of members of the security services that are carrying out bigger and more devastating atrocites to convince the other members of the groups that they are commited to each others causes.
Anyway, Just think what the eastern block could've done with Echelon. It's a strange quirk of human nature that when scientists invent or discover amazing things the first thing politicians do is inject funds to find out how many people you can with it.
I may or not be a fag (cigarette in the UK - target your audience properly) but at least I'm not an anonymous coward.
If you cant see what is going on in your and my countries I recommend you remove your head your head from your arse and look around you. You get a much clearer view that way.
BTW My dad lost a lot of friends in the 6 years of WW2 while he and they alternated between dropping bombs on people and dragging corpses out of the sea (RAF coastal command) and the thought that he and all the other service people that surrendered the best years of their lives went through that only to see the freedom that they fought for go down the toilet PISSES ME OFF!!!!
The fact that there are a lot of people who follow like sheep, allowing those who wield power for no reasons other than greed and self interest to get away with it depresses me.
Which are you, sheep or person. It's not me that defiles the memory of their sacrifice, look in the mirror for that one if you let the Bush's and Blairs of this world cut back on our liberty in the name of freedom.
tells the terrorists that they are winning. If any government re-orders its society to the point where no citizen (or subject) feels they can express their opinions without every e-mail or phone call they made in the last 7 years being hauled out and used against them you may as well surrender now.
Like most 60s kids I was raised to believe that the Soviet Union and particularly E. Germany were evil because the state monitored the phone calls of and spied on anyone who dared to say anything out of line with the government view. Now I find I'm part of an active demonstration of how it can be done better with technology. I 'spose you don't tend to get dragged off without being charged and tortured/interrogated without a lawyer but...... Oh yeah, they can do that now as well.
Sorry to all those who died in WW2, Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan etc. it was all for nothing. Shame that innit?
Are these morons serious?
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"In general, nations with the lowest piracy rates had the largest IT sectors".
Of course this'll happen. In poor countries a PC may cost a months to a years wages. By the time you add licences for Win98/XP, MS Office and all the other packages you have have to buy to make windows useful a lot of people or companies in those countries will be bankrupted.
Simplest way out if they wanna run Windows - spend the money on the hardware and Pirate It!
In the affluent west (i.e. where the strongest IT sectors are) people don't generally have to sell their camel/cow/goat/wife/children to get a copy of the latest bloated pile of bollocks from Redmond.
What's even worse is that the wankers at the BSA hold their audience in such contempt that they try pathetic rouses like this.
Well I did mean normal for Win98 not computers in general.
Having said that I do get the odd app keeling over in Linux. Early mozilla was quirky but 1.3 seems to be stable. Apart from that no complaints really. Mandrake 9.1 managed to pick and prep every bit of hardware including my Philips webcam (normally a pain) so I've no complaints.
The day I have to change the tyres, frame and engine on my Honda in order to use a different brand of spark plug I'll start complaining. Until then my bike and car are very satisfactory thanks.
I've been working in computers for years (and using them since 1981)to the point of setting jumpers and DIPs on all peripherals back in the days when DOS was modern and have servers running in Universites and Biotech companies across europe. I know how to set up a PC and have never had a problem with any other Windows game MS or otherwise.
Ohhhh so very out of date I must remember to take advice from such luninaries as your good self who obviously know everything.
BTW before this I'd been running 98SE for a long time with no problems other the odd blue screen (normal really). CFS3 didn't want to work with the machine from the start and despite spending a significantly costly amount of time on the phone to MS they didn't manage to find anything that'd cause it to lock up either.
The point that was being made was that even MS games fall over occasionally due to whatever hardware/software clashes may exist deep within the machine so the original posters claim that any OS that doesn't boot and run a game at the click of an icon is crap obviously comes from someone with so little brain and actual knowledge on the subject that they should shut up and find some books to read.
I run Windows for games and Linux for work. I just can't break the AOE II Habit but christmas saw the arrival of Combat Flight Sim 3 (another gaming weakness is CFS).
Usual thing, stick disk in, autorun brings up the GUI and on it goes. Install finished, run game, machine locks solid. Reboot. Read docs, disable virus checker and firewall (after disconnecting from net) machine still locks.
Get latest drivers for vid card, no change. Get latest drivers for every component in PC
No different.
Ponce around in Bios changing various settings after spending a fair amount of time talking to helpful Irish guy at Microsoft game support.
Go into msconfig and disable as much as poss with no change.
Dump Win98 and go for 2000. No change. Dump Vid card and replace with one from office PC. No change.
Change motherboard with borrowed one and use video card from office.
It works!! Only took my whole weekend up cost me the price of a 64MB GeForce2 MX400 and an A-Bit KG-7.
Simple as that. Thank god you can just click on an icon and let Windows take care of it for you.
I still find the main block to selling Linux into commercial companies is Office. I can't bullshit people with "OO.org is 100% Office compatible" because unless your a multi-billion $ monopoly you can't lie to people and have them come back.
Open M$Office file formats to competitiors and the M$ stranglehold will start to fall apart.
The topic of conversation should be more about how seemingly intelligent people in the US gov and EU comp. commision are apparently blind to the grip that M$Office exerts over the market place.
To finish, I have several clients who have been all ready for Linux until I told them OO.org was about 95% likely to open a.doc file without graphics, frames or tables having moved an inch in any direction. 95% is not enough for people who have thousands of docs going back to ther year dot and don't have time to spend shuffling misplaced logos and the like.
COME ON EU FORCE M$ OFFICE INTO A COMPETETIVE ENVIRONMENT! Then maybe we'll see how value added the 95% of functions that no-one uses really are.
If you install Mandrake in Expert mode you're given the choice of "Normal", "High", "Higher" or "Paranoid" security with Paranoid switching everything off by default and running routine checks and security tests as it goes.
Slashdot Mirror
It's only dangerous if it isn't true. Given the list of former cases........
Mr Gates, I wondered when you'd start posting on slashdot.
If there are any SCO shareholders out there why are you letting your CEO risk YOUR money in what seems to be a the actions of a deluded lunatic.
Yes folks it's YOUR money not his and ultimately as shareholders you have the right to tell him to stop behaving like idiot and concentrate on competing by improving the product, not the legal team.
If you don't and IBM stamp SCO into the ground it's YOUR money that HE wasted trying to take on IBM and believe it, after this Linux will go on to kill off SCO as distributors turn away from the mess that's left.
DO IT NOW! Mail the CEO. Tell him your pissed off with him gambling your money, better still, tell him to resign and let someone more else have a go. It can't get much worse than it already is.
I can't help but wonder what kind of ace SCO is holding in reserve
I can't wait to see what kind of ace IBM have in their huge patent library. If SCO claim they didn't know their own code was in their own version of Linux they may have overlooked IBM code being there as well
From what I read it's called OpenOffice.org because there's already a product called OpenOffice.
Not wanting a copyright/ trademark battle in court seems fairly sensible to me.
Also, Lindows is under attack because it has:
a) grabbed loads of headlines as an easy for newbies distro
b) publicly humiliated Microsoft in court over it's name
c) Is available, pre-installed at Walmart, one of the USA's largest retailers and hence has a very wide market exposure.
This singled out attack is obviously preadatory against MS's percieved no. 1 threat. A blanket discount on all Linux distros would water it down a bit but still are the desktop monopoly and have to be taimed somehow.
Sadly, Bush's administration and the Anti-trust verdict in particular compound the situation by artificially propping MS up. Just because Windows is widely used doesn't mean it's the best and it's arguable that MS didn't get where it is by being the best run company in the world but by all the others being even worse at the time the market was forming. A prime example is Commodore who basically stopped developing the Amiga for some weird reason and assumed that people would carry on buying it.
I bet computers would be a damn site more impressive than they are now if the same amount of money had been poured into the Amiga as has PC development
Unilever reckon they are going to save 66 million a year by switching to Linux. If every company that owns sufficient machines threatened the switch leading MS to discount massively it could crash their share price leading shareholders to dump MS shares.
OK everyone 1,2,3, announce the switch to Linux.
Lets wipe the smile of Gates' face and see if we can induce a heart attack on Steve Ballmer
To alcohol! The cause of... and solution to all of life's problems!
--- Homer Simpson
Ultimately, the fact that they are a monopoly is what defines the strategy as bad. For free market capitalism to work you have to have a level playing field. If you are going to allow a monopoly to exist, you may as well nationalise the whole lot and have done with it.
The bloat in Microsoft is only possible because they have 95% of the desktop market sewn up. If (when) Linux hits the desktop in the same way it has the servers, MS are going to have to increase the efficiency of their operation e.g. redundancies and longer hours.
I for one cannot believe that MS put 5 billion a year into development unless of course it went into designing better blue screens and Teletubbie land backdrops.
Funnily enough I went to see my MP about ageism in the employment market and his response was "there's no point, it would be impossible to enforce a law against that".
When I replied "What, in the same way that it's impossible to enforce laws against sexism and racism" he had little to say, well bugger all to say actually.
You see the problem is we old farts (I'm 38) are obviously too over the hill to learn anything new, or is it that we're just not a politically correct enough minority even though older peoplke are the fastest growing section of the population.
My kneejerk reaction, the same one anyone else over 30 would have, is that the guy is a buffoon
I'd have preferred fuckwit or shit-for-brains personally but maybe that's what 3 years of job rejections does for you
A blanket price cut to $50 for everyone is not the same as a price cut for Lindows users. If M$ were to drop the base price of XP to $50 for all users that would be a sign of M$ reacting to competition in the marketplace by costing XP at the price that it's worth.
Giving discounts only to Lindows users is a sign that they're sights are on Lindows and killing it is the number 1 priority and their only intention.
There's still the question of whether discounting for one distributor breaks anti-trust. I can feel all those blind eyes turning at the DoJ already.
Where did you get the impression that the Antitrust verdict was designed to tame the beast? Bush, like Blair in the UK is certainly singing to the tune of big business and fairness, ethics and honesty don't seem to be part of the formula
The funniest one's gotta be the British government. They were sold the line that kitting the UK gov out with Windows would get them a £100 million discount over the first three years with a kick back when other governemts bought the same system making the British Government ( a public body that ethically should not directly involve itself in the workings of individual businesses) a Microsoft Business Partner.
So far no other government's bought it so no kickback, it runs on Passport which the EU declared violates European Data Protection law and once MS is installed end to end you can see the discount evaporating.
Gullible, I'll bet. At the beginning the gov. ripped out Linux servers that had been in place for years running UK Online, a system that had received many international awards for excellence and replaced it with MS stuff that only worked with IE5 and has been pilloried for being a bad deal for end users, badly designedand over complicated to navigate.
Apparently, MS donated £11 million to UK aids charities around this time and in exchange for this was paid £15 million for a crap system. Funnily enough this leaves the charities £4 million worse off than if the gov. had donated the money straight to them.
Of course to suggest that the government was forming partnerships based on the desire of the prime minister to be seen with rich and famous people would be terribly cynical.
Simple,
If you can make your software so superior that it justifies the cost people will pay for it whatever platform it runs on. Just 'cos you write something to run on Linux doesn't mean it has to be free. Check out the dual personal/educational vs for profit licence at www.dansguardian.org.
Better product than any proprietry filter I've tried so I use it at home. If I put it in the office I'll happily pay and not pirate.
Hehe,
;-)
Reminds me of a Tom Sharpe book based in South Africa where all the different security agencies are sending out agents to infiltrate groups like the ANC. Turns out that all the terrorist groups are comprised of members of the security services that are carrying out bigger and more devastating atrocites to convince the other members of the groups that they are commited to each others causes.
Anyway, Just think what the eastern block could've done with Echelon. It's a strange quirk of human nature that when scientists invent or discover amazing things the first thing politicians do is inject funds to find out how many people you can with it.
That's life
I may or not be a fag (cigarette in the UK - target your audience properly) but at least I'm not an anonymous coward.
If you cant see what is going on in your and my countries I recommend you remove your head your head from your arse and look around you. You get a much clearer view that way.
BTW My dad lost a lot of friends in the 6 years of WW2 while he and they alternated between dropping bombs on people and dragging corpses out of the sea (RAF coastal command) and the thought that he and all the other service people that surrendered the best years of their lives went through that only to see the freedom that they fought for go down the toilet PISSES ME OFF!!!!
The fact that there are a lot of people who follow like sheep, allowing those who wield power for no reasons other than greed and self interest to get away with it depresses me.
Which are you, sheep or person. It's not me that defiles the memory of their sacrifice, look in the mirror for that one if you let the Bush's and Blairs of this world cut back on our liberty in the name of freedom.
tells the terrorists that they are winning. If any government re-orders its society to the point where no citizen (or subject) feels they can express their opinions without every e-mail or phone call they made in the last 7 years being hauled out and used against them you may as well surrender now.
Like most 60s kids I was raised to believe that the Soviet Union and particularly E. Germany were evil because the state monitored the phone calls of and spied on anyone who dared to say anything out of line with the government view. Now I find I'm part of an active demonstration of how it can be done better with technology. I 'spose you don't tend to get dragged off without being charged and tortured/interrogated without a lawyer but...... Oh yeah, they can do that now as well.
Sorry to all those who died in WW2, Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan etc. it was all for nothing. Shame that innit?
"In general, nations with the lowest piracy rates had the largest IT sectors".
Of course this'll happen. In poor countries a PC may cost a months to a years wages. By the time you add licences for Win98/XP, MS Office and all the other packages you have have to buy to make windows useful a lot of people or companies in those countries will be bankrupted.
Simplest way out if they wanna run Windows - spend the money on the hardware and Pirate It!
In the affluent west (i.e. where the strongest IT sectors are) people don't generally have to sell their camel/cow/goat/wife/children to get a copy of the latest bloated pile of bollocks from Redmond.
What's even worse is that the wankers at the BSA hold their audience in such contempt that they try pathetic rouses like this.
Hehe
Well I did mean normal for Win98 not computers in general.
Having said that I do get the odd app keeling over in Linux. Early mozilla was quirky but 1.3 seems to be stable. Apart from that no complaints really. Mandrake 9.1 managed to pick and prep every bit of hardware including my Philips webcam (normally a pain) so I've no complaints.
I don't tend to keep up with the latest windows driver releases because 99% of the time I'm running Linux
The day I have to change the tyres, frame and engine on my Honda in order to use a different brand of spark plug I'll start complaining. Until then my bike and car are very satisfactory thanks.
Oh yeah, sorry forgot. MS don't make errors do they that's why you never see any bug patches or service packs for Windows.
I've been working in computers for years (and using them since 1981)to the point of setting jumpers and DIPs on all peripherals back in the days when DOS was modern and have servers running in Universites and Biotech companies across europe. I know how to set up a PC and have never had a problem with any other Windows game MS or otherwise.
Spec of Original Machine:
ABit KT-7
Athon 1200
512MB PC133 SD-RAM
SB-Live 1024
Elsa Gladiac 511 Geforce 2 MX400
Adaptec UW SCSI Card
Yam SCSI Rewriter
Twin ATA100 Maxtor Hard Disks
Ohhhh so very out of date I must remember to take advice from such luninaries as your good self who obviously know everything.
BTW before this I'd been running 98SE for a long time with no problems other the odd blue screen (normal really). CFS3 didn't want to work with the machine from the start and despite spending a significantly costly amount of time on the phone to MS they didn't manage to find anything that'd cause it to lock up either.
The point that was being made was that even MS games fall over occasionally due to whatever hardware/software clashes may exist deep within the machine so the original posters claim that any OS that doesn't boot and run a game at the click of an icon is crap obviously comes from someone with so little brain and actual knowledge on the subject that they should shut up and find some books to read.
I run Windows for games and Linux for work. I just can't break the AOE II Habit but christmas saw the arrival of Combat Flight Sim 3 (another gaming weakness is CFS).
Usual thing, stick disk in, autorun brings up the GUI and on it goes. Install finished, run game, machine locks solid. Reboot. Read docs, disable virus checker and firewall (after disconnecting from net) machine still locks.
Get latest drivers for vid card, no change.
Get latest drivers for every component in PC
No different.
Ponce around in Bios changing various settings after spending a fair amount of time talking to helpful Irish guy at Microsoft game support.
Go into msconfig and disable as much as poss with no change.
Dump Win98 and go for 2000. No change.
Dump Vid card and replace with one from office PC.
No change.
Change motherboard with borrowed one and use video card from office.
It works!! Only took my whole weekend up cost me the price of a 64MB GeForce2 MX400 and an A-Bit KG-7.
Simple as that. Thank god you can just click on an icon and let Windows take care of it for you.
I still find the main block to selling Linux into commercial companies is Office. I can't bullshit people with "OO.org is 100% Office compatible" because unless your a multi-billion $ monopoly you can't lie to people and have them come back.
.doc file without graphics, frames or tables having moved an inch in any direction. 95% is not enough for people who have thousands of docs going back to ther year dot and don't have time to spend shuffling misplaced logos and the like.
/bill/gates
Open M$Office file formats to competitiors and the M$ stranglehold will start to fall apart.
The topic of conversation should be more about how seemingly intelligent people in the US gov and EU comp. commision are apparently blind to the grip that M$Office exerts over the market place.
To finish, I have several clients who have been all ready for Linux until I told them OO.org was about 95% likely to open a
COME ON EU FORCE M$ OFFICE INTO A COMPETETIVE ENVIRONMENT! Then maybe we'll see how value added the 95% of functions that no-one uses really are.
grep -i concept-of-ethics-or-morality
If you install Mandrake in Expert mode you're given the choice of "Normal", "High", "Higher" or "Paranoid" security with Paranoid switching everything off by default and running routine checks and security tests as it goes.