You really think evolution has resulted in infants that need to 'queue' their own breathing from their mothers?
I meant "cue" - different word, different meaning.
First, we're talking about a narrow window when breathing shifts from autonomic to semi-conscious control.
Second, there would be no selective pressure against such a glitch. Babies of that age simply weren't left alone. Look at any foraging society now - Mom carries the baby on her back or in a sling. Babies who were left out of sight and hearing from Mom were dragged off and eaten.
What - you think that Australopithecines invented the crib and baby room? Crikey!
What Ironica said. I wasn't suggesting "aural therapy" so much as a stimulus-response mechanism. Twenty years ago, one of my Anthro professors (teaching a course in cross-cultural childrearing practices) suggested that for children with SIDS, there was a glitch in the transfer of breathing from autonomic control to semi-conscious control, and these children might under the right circumstances forget to breathe. He further suggested, based on cross-cultural studies showing a lower incidence of SIDS in cultures where infants were kept in the parent's room, that the sound of Mom's breathing might cue these infants to breathe themselves.
Also, no impugning of your parenting skills was intended.
There is controversy over co-sleeping, as it appears to increase risks if the parent is passed out drunk or a smoker. Otherwise, there is good evidence that it decreases the incidence of SIDS. There is much more agreement that sleeping near your child (Same room, in a bassinet next to the bed) decreases the risk of SIDS.
Notice what else the recommendations are aimed at? The crib itself. If a baby needs a little prompting to remember to breathe, maybe hearing/feeling its parents breathe provides that prompting?
If you look at the statistics, the "in their own bed" recommendation only applies if the parent is drunk or drugged out.
You mean, like not putting the baby in a cage in another room, where it can't queue its own breathing off of its mother's? They don't call it "crib death" for no reason.
Well, I've received an invitation to Intertel, and depending on which IQ test you prefer, I qualify for the Triple 9 Society, but not Prometheus. So, from the eyrie of my formidable intellect, I judge BeeBeard to be the more articulate, thoughtful poster.
Smart people who don't realize that intelligence is only one dimension of a well rounded person - who are arrogant about their intelligence - truly are stupid.
Speaking of arrogance, I'm 43, my BMI is 20, my body fat is 10% and my resting pulse is under 50bpm. So Pthththththt!
white (of which English 83.6%, Scottish 8.6%, Welsh 4.9%, Northern Irish 2.9%) 92.1%, black 2%, Indian 1.8%, Pakistani 1.3%, mixed 1.2%, other 1.6% (2001 census)
Hmmm... Seems like since 1991 the proportion of blacks actually dropped by 0.1%
My other point was, as far as the BNP is concerned, they're all wogs.
As far as "have a look outside from time to time", if you're looking for something, you'll probably see it. When it comes to population statistics, anecdotal evidence is worse than no evidence at all.
Okay, someone with first-hand knowledge. I used to live relatively close to Moss Side, but that was years ago. Since the police are considering this a mistaken identity case, do you think it likely that his shooters were members of gangs that were competing with the black gangs in Moss Side - that is, Asian or Indian or Muslim gangs?
I have a ton of relatives in Manchester and Salford, but the last time I was there was '93. I'm curious what things are like there now.
The articles suggest it's gang related. They don't suggest the ethnicity of the gang members. Manchester is 6% black, 8% Indian and Pakistani, 4% Asian and 82% white. There are black, Asian, Indian and Muslim gangs all fighting turf wars, although a Glamorgan University study showed that most gang members in the UK are actually white.
You may have read the article, but you read into it your own biases based on the US inner city gang problem.
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Linux is *not* user friendly, and until it is linux will stay with >1% marketshare.
So when Linux becomes user friendly, its market share will drop below one percent? Careful with the pointy end of that operator.
Point two... screw it - I'm even lazier than the parent troller.
Walking might not be so bad, but it's hard to keep the monitor level and type that way. I already get 10 - 15 hours of intense exercise a week, so I'm planning on equipping my new office with a chaise lounge, wireless keyboard, and a nice pillow to elevate my feet.
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You really think evolution has resulted in infants that need to 'queue' their own breathing from their mothers?
I meant "cue" - different word, different meaning.
First, we're talking about a narrow window when breathing shifts from autonomic to semi-conscious control.
Second, there would be no selective pressure against such a glitch. Babies of that age simply weren't left alone. Look at any foraging society now - Mom carries the baby on her back or in a sling. Babies who were left out of sight and hearing from Mom were dragged off and eaten.
What - you think that Australopithecines invented the crib and baby room? Crikey!
What Ironica said. I wasn't suggesting "aural therapy" so much as a stimulus-response mechanism. Twenty years ago, one of my Anthro professors (teaching a course in cross-cultural childrearing practices) suggested that for children with SIDS, there was a glitch in the transfer of breathing from autonomic control to semi-conscious control, and these children might under the right circumstances forget to breathe. He further suggested, based on cross-cultural studies showing a lower incidence of SIDS in cultures where infants were kept in the parent's room, that the sound of Mom's breathing might cue these infants to breathe themselves.
Also, no impugning of your parenting skills was intended.
Well, Here for starters.
google on "co-sleeping" sids
There is controversy over co-sleeping, as it appears to increase risks if the parent is passed out drunk or a smoker. Otherwise, there is good evidence that it decreases the incidence of SIDS. There is much more agreement that sleeping near your child (Same room, in a bassinet next to the bed) decreases the risk of SIDS.
There's plenty of evidence to support this. However, unlike the evidence that you're an asshole, it's not a certainty.
Notice what else the recommendations are aimed at? The crib itself. If a baby needs a little prompting to remember to breathe, maybe hearing/feeling its parents breathe provides that prompting?
If you look at the statistics, the "in their own bed" recommendation only applies if the parent is drunk or drugged out.
s/queue/cue
Slashdot needs an "edit comment" feature.
You mean, like not putting the baby in a cage in another room, where it can't queue its own breathing off of its mother's? They don't call it "crib death" for no reason.
This brings me back to the halcyon days of alt.flame, before The Great AOL Invasion of '94.
Please forgive me for interrupting you two. Do continue - your Mensan mating dance fairly crackles with homoerotic tension!
Well, I've received an invitation to Intertel, and depending on which IQ test you prefer, I qualify for the Triple 9 Society, but not Prometheus. So, from the eyrie of my formidable intellect, I judge BeeBeard to be the more articulate, thoughtful poster.
Smart people who don't realize that intelligence is only one dimension of a well rounded person - who are arrogant about their intelligence - truly are stupid.
Speaking of arrogance, I'm 43, my BMI is 20, my body fat is 10% and my resting pulse is under 50bpm. So Pthththththt!
From the CIA World Fact Book:
white (of which English 83.6%, Scottish 8.6%, Welsh 4.9%, Northern Irish 2.9%) 92.1%, black 2%, Indian 1.8%, Pakistani 1.3%, mixed 1.2%, other 1.6% (2001 census)
Hmmm... Seems like since 1991 the proportion of blacks actually dropped by 0.1%
My other point was, as far as the BNP is concerned, they're all wogs.
As far as "have a look outside from time to time", if you're looking for something, you'll probably see it. When it comes to population statistics, anecdotal evidence is worse than no evidence at all.
Okay, someone with first-hand knowledge. I used to live relatively close to Moss Side, but that was years ago. Since the police are considering this a mistaken identity case, do you think it likely that his shooters were members of gangs that were competing with the black gangs in Moss Side - that is, Asian or Indian or Muslim gangs?
I have a ton of relatives in Manchester and Salford, but the last time I was there was '93. I'm curious what things are like there now.
This one. You know, the one where 2% of the population is black?
Now, if you're a member of the BNP then you're too stupid to understand this, but black != Indian or Asian or Pakistani.
Was that the Fleet of Worlds that just zoomed past?
The articles suggest it's gang related. They don't suggest the ethnicity of the gang members. Manchester is 6% black, 8% Indian and Pakistani, 4% Asian and 82% white. There are black, Asian, Indian and Muslim gangs all fighting turf wars, although a Glamorgan University study showed that most gang members in the UK are actually white.
You may have read the article, but you read into it your own biases based on the US inner city gang problem.
Gang != black, especially in the UK where blacks are a tiny minority.
DON'T COLLECT PERSONAL INFORMATION, STUPID!
Sheesh!
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Wait a sec... Yes! Yes you can!
Linux is *not* user friendly, and until it is linux will stay with >1% marketshare.
So when Linux becomes user friendly, its market share will drop below one percent? Careful with the pointy end of that operator.
Point two... screw it - I'm even lazier than the parent troller.
Seriously, plug in the iPod and open AmaroK.
I saw "Apple Partners with Fnord"
Walking might not be so bad, but it's hard to keep the monitor level and type that way. I already get 10 - 15 hours of intense exercise a week, so I'm planning on equipping my new office with a chaise lounge, wireless keyboard, and a nice pillow to elevate my feet.
about the soi-disant distinction between nerds, geeks and dweebs.
Your local credit union.
Who in hell works 9 to 5. If you take an hour lunch, that's 35 hours a week. Slacker.
s/expenctancies/expectancies
s/ethologies/ethnologies
I'll go shoot myself now.