Thanks for the compliment. Sometimes I make a mistake and create a highly mangled analogy. But this time I was spot on, and my analogy was hardly mangled at all, or as you say, "poorly" mangled. Thanks again.
One of several issues with it would be that your example is a direct cause n effect. person X uses 15h of internet. person X gains 15kg. Now if you could work into your analogy the fact that the internet usage causes all people to get fat
In a socialist society, everyone shares the cost of healthcare. So, if I get fat, YOU are going to pay.
The problem with Kyoto is that many in the US saw it as unfair. Imagine if someone did a study that showed that internet usage was linked to obesity. So they want to pass a law that curbs internet use. Under this law, slashdot users, who are on the internet 15 hours a day, they need to cut their usage down to 5 hours. But meanwhile people who spend their time on ebay and click on banner adds, so they only spend 4 hours a day online, they don't have to cut down at all. And even worse, your little brother, who hasn't been using the internet only because he was too young, he isn't under any restriction at all. He's just hitting the age where he's going to start using the internet even more than you, but the law wont make him give up anything.
rather the focus should be on people writing web applications with security low on their priority list.
I agree, and I think that the reason there are people writing web applications and not thinking about security is that web apps are still thought of by businesses as "pretty things to attract customers" rather than, "part of our network"
Pretty things are low on the list of priorities for managers, so they hire some kid to make their website.
I can't say that I've *ever* seen PHP or Perl or ASP code that looked like someone put some thought into it. Even things like indentation. Most of the code I've seen it actually looks like the coder just hit return at random times. And if they aren't making an effort to make their code readable and maintainable, then they probably aren't making an effort to make it secure.
Oh well, this is just the way things are. I really believe that if it weren't for building codes business owners would hire people off the street to construct their office buildings. "they are just slapping bricks together, what's the big deal?? Why should I pay an archetect big bucks for this? I'll get a high-school kid who will give me an office building in a week for $20."
If they are using something like hotmail, then maybe just disallow hotmail. Nobody with a brain uses it anymore anyway.
If they are using gmail, then maybe google would be nice enough to start a service where you could report addresses that bots are using. The great thing about google requiring invites is that google now has this neat chain of responsibility. If they see a pattern where all of the addresses created by invites from a certain person's account have been used as bots, then they could delete all those accounts and all the accounts they invited. That would seriously screw the spammers.
Wow! I've never seen such obvious revisionist history. This is actually kind of scarry.
I have a "earth science" book from a public school that I picked up at a garage sale. It was published in the '70s and I bought it specifically because it had a whole chapter on the comming ice age and I thought that was amusing.
I thought that everyone knew that back in the '70s everyone was worried about an ice age. I just took that for granted (because it's true! Everyone did think that!) You are the first denier that I've ever seen and I am literally in shock.
No other living thing can have a significant effect on the planet and environment.
oh the arrogance of the environmentalists!
It is now widely accepted that the first single-celled life that had the ability to make energy from sunlight (the ancestors to modern plants) were so successful, and pumped so much O2 into the atmosphere, that the temperature dropped significantly, plunging the whole planet into an ice age.
This was the first great mass extinction and the worst one ever - killing 90% of all species alive at that time. The Earth remained locked in ice and nearly lifeless, on the brink of sterilization, until CO2 from volcanoes built up in the atmosphere and counteracted all the O2.
Thus, the first species to "pollute" the atmosphere was not humans, but single-celled plants. The first species to cause harmful climate change was not humans, but single-celled plants.
Now that I've put you in your place, let me just say that I definitely thing that we humans should take care of our planet. I just get irritated when I hear what I feel is sensationalism and emotional arguments.
yes, because the FBI has people standing by to prosecute a guy who defaces a web form.
A server where I work (not one of mine) was hacked once. The guy put an IRC bot on it. We logged in to the channel pretending to be the bot and when the hacker came along, we got his handle. Much like the parent's story, knowing his handle eventually lead us to his university email account. We provided all this to the FBI - and nothing happened.
Well, given that we are a social species, and given that for the last few 10's of millions of years of our history we have lived in groups, I would actually expect some kind of relationship between "good wishes from a group" and general health. I would actually expect this sort of thing to evolve as a way of encouraging social behaviour and group membership.
What is the problem that you have with trying to study it? I actually think that you are closing your mind to something that is entirely possible and well within the realm of science. They aren't studying "god" they are studying "what effect does belief in god have on a sick person."
but at the same time, where is the spirit NASA used to have?
Well, I understand what you're getting at, but I just want to point out that the Cassini mission to Saturn was at least as important scientifically as Voyager's flyby. Cassini has already returned many hundreds of times more data about just Saturn, than both Voyagers returned from all the planets combined.
When you and I were born, no human being in the history of our species had ever seen the surface of Titan. Now, thanks to Cassini (and the lander which I cannot spell), we have.
Don't you think that's amazing? Don't you think that is in the highest spirit of NASA?
And what about the many Mars rovers and orbiters? I think you need to step back and think about how totally cool it is that we have machine rolling around on an alien planet.
And what about the Galileo mission to Jupiter? I know that one had some problems but still, it was cool.
And we have the New Horizons mission on its way to Pluto. Think about how cool that is! No human being today can tell you what the surface of Pluto looks like. Aren't you curious? I am! One day soon, thanks to NASA, we'll know.
And one day (unless congress cancels it) we'll have the ion-engine powered JIMO mission to orbit Europa. How cool is that??
Please don't sell NASA short. In the Apollo days, NASA's budget was like 1% of the GDP. It was like what we're spending in Iraq. All that, just going to NASA! Their budget hasn't gone up with inflation, it's gone way down.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but people are in constant contact with Voyager. This headline makes it sound like nobody has heard from Voyager in years, but the truth is, they never lost it.
This is just a story about how some amatures managed to find it. I mean, that's cool. Don't get me wrong. Congrats to those guys. But don't play it up to be more than that.
If we return to the oft-used balloon analogy, imagine that the universe is two dimensional and laid out on the surface of a large balloon. The balloon (space time) is expanding. Anything that has mass is like a piece of tape stuck to the balloon. The tape resists the expansion of the balloon, creating the two-dimensional equivalent of the other oft-used analogy, a depression made by a bowling ball on a trampoline.
That depression, that resistance to the expansion of space time, is what we perceive as gravity. Mass "causes" gravity by resisting the expansion of space time.
You're the only one who thinks it's a marketing strategy. Everyone else understands that google pages are hosted on servers, and servers need bandwidth and storage space, and therefore googlepages is open to as many people as they can handle at any one time.
If google did it your way, if they just opened it to everyone, then they'd be slashdotted within minutes, and then you'd be back here posting a comment along the lines of "google sucks b/c they are slashdotted. wtf. they should no bettar!!!111"
basically, you are going to complain no matter what.
I see that you're joking, but just in case someone else comes along and doesn't understand, I'll say this very clearly, there is no way to get information from one place to another faster than the speed of light. Sure, you can point a laser at a far away wall and move the laser up and down rapidly. ok, so you have a spot that is moving faster than light. So what? The information - the movement of your hand, still propagates to the wall at the speed of light.
From the article: "One of the things I'm most proud about in Tron is there are no guns in the movie -- it's a killer Frisbee!" he said. "I mean, try to make an action adventure movie without a gun. I dare you."
So, those aren't gun turrets on the tanks? I guess those are love turrets, and they fire love and happiness.
I own a domain that is similar enough to an ISP that I get about one errant email a month. I wont change the domain name though for reasons that you wont care about.
Anyway, I have a standard response that I send back to people letting them know that they mistyped the addresses. In about two years of this, only 3 or 4 times has anyone bothered to thank me for letting them know they screwed up.
And one time, some idiot actually replied to my message and kept talking as if he was talking to his friend! Talk about dense.
Well for one thing, they are designing it from the ground up to be safer than PHP. I actually do like PHP but damn, it's so easy to shoot yourself in the foot! I think I'm a good programmer. I constantly think about things like SQL injection. I read all the PHP documentation about the mail() function, but sure enough, I opened myself up to being a spam relay. I don't know if I was hit, but I had code out there that was vulnerable.
Slashdot Mirror
Poorly mangled analogy.
Thanks for the compliment. Sometimes I make a mistake and create a highly mangled analogy. But this time I was spot on, and my analogy was hardly mangled at all, or as you say, "poorly" mangled. Thanks again.
One of several issues with it would be that your example is a direct cause n effect.
person X uses 15h of internet. person X gains 15kg. Now if you could work into your analogy the fact that the internet usage causes all people to get fat
In a socialist society, everyone shares the cost of healthcare. So, if I get fat, YOU are going to pay.
The problem with Kyoto is that many in the US saw it as unfair. Imagine if someone did a study that showed that internet usage was linked to obesity. So they want to pass a law that curbs internet use. Under this law, slashdot users, who are on the internet 15 hours a day, they need to cut their usage down to 5 hours. But meanwhile people who spend their time on ebay and click on banner adds, so they only spend 4 hours a day online, they don't have to cut down at all. And even worse, your little brother, who hasn't been using the internet only because he was too young, he isn't under any restriction at all. He's just hitting the age where he's going to start using the internet even more than you, but the law wont make him give up anything.
Does any of that sound fair?
rather the focus should be on people writing web applications with security low on their priority list.
I agree, and I think that the reason there are people writing web applications and not thinking about security is that web apps are still thought of by businesses as "pretty things to attract customers" rather than, "part of our network"
Pretty things are low on the list of priorities for managers, so they hire some kid to make their website.
I can't say that I've *ever* seen PHP or Perl or ASP code that looked like someone put some thought into it. Even things like indentation. Most of the code I've seen it actually looks like the coder just hit return at random times. And if they aren't making an effort to make their code readable and maintainable, then they probably aren't making an effort to make it secure.
Oh well, this is just the way things are. I really believe that if it weren't for building codes business owners would hire people off the street to construct their office buildings. "they are just slapping bricks together, what's the big deal?? Why should I pay an archetect big bucks for this? I'll get a high-school kid who will give me an office building in a week for $20."
as opposed to a mindless Linux fanboy who hijacks popular acronyms for their obscure stuff and expects everyone to follow.
You come across as ignorant. Fanboy is a Ferocious, Abhorrant Nutball, Bringer of Obscurity and Yearning
god, everyone knows that.
If they are using something like hotmail, then maybe just disallow hotmail. Nobody with a brain uses it anymore anyway.
If they are using gmail, then maybe google would be nice enough to start a service where you could report addresses that bots are using. The great thing about google requiring invites is that google now has this neat chain of responsibility. If they see a pattern where all of the addresses created by invites from a certain person's account have been used as bots, then they could delete all those accounts and all the accounts they invited. That would seriously screw the spammers.
Did you read the post??
even though you must enter the visual confirmation code code (the picture with letters/numbers)
sounds to me like he's already using captcha
No they didn't.
Wow! I've never seen such obvious revisionist history. This is actually kind of scarry.
I have a "earth science" book from a public school that I picked up at a garage sale. It was published in the '70s and I bought it specifically because it had a whole chapter on the comming ice age and I thought that was amusing.
I thought that everyone knew that back in the '70s everyone was worried about an ice age. I just took that for granted (because it's true! Everyone did think that!) You are the first denier that I've ever seen and I am literally in shock.
No other living thing can have a significant effect on the planet and environment.
oh the arrogance of the environmentalists!
It is now widely accepted that the first single-celled life that had the ability to make energy from sunlight (the ancestors to modern plants) were so successful, and pumped so much O2 into the atmosphere, that the temperature dropped significantly, plunging the whole planet into an ice age.
This was the first great mass extinction and the worst one ever - killing 90% of all species alive at that time. The Earth remained locked in ice and nearly lifeless, on the brink of sterilization, until CO2 from volcanoes built up in the atmosphere and counteracted all the O2.
Thus, the first species to "pollute" the atmosphere was not humans, but single-celled plants. The first species to cause harmful climate change was not humans, but single-celled plants.
Now that I've put you in your place, let me just say that I definitely thing that we humans should take care of our planet. I just get irritated when I hear what I feel is sensationalism and emotional arguments.
yes, because the FBI has people standing by to prosecute a guy who defaces a web form.
A server where I work (not one of mine) was hacked once. The guy put an IRC bot on it. We logged in to the channel pretending to be the bot and when the hacker came along, we got his handle. Much like the parent's story, knowing his handle eventually lead us to his university email account. We provided all this to the FBI - and nothing happened.
Obviously you haven't looked up the meaning of the word amateur in the dictionary in a while.
Duh! I know exactly what amateur means, and also what asian means and what group means. I've been on the internets for a long time.
What is the point of this study?
Well, given that we are a social species, and given that for the last few 10's of millions of years of our history we have lived in groups, I would actually expect some kind of relationship between "good wishes from a group" and general health. I would actually expect this sort of thing to evolve as a way of encouraging social behaviour and group membership.
What is the problem that you have with trying to study it? I actually think that you are closing your mind to something that is entirely possible and well within the realm of science. They aren't studying "god" they are studying "what effect does belief in god have on a sick person."
but at the same time, where is the spirit NASA used to have?
Well, I understand what you're getting at, but I just want to point out that the Cassini mission to Saturn was at least as important scientifically as Voyager's flyby. Cassini has already returned many hundreds of times more data about just Saturn, than both Voyagers returned from all the planets combined.
When you and I were born, no human being in the history of our species had ever seen the surface of Titan. Now, thanks to Cassini (and the lander which I cannot spell), we have.
Don't you think that's amazing? Don't you think that is in the highest spirit of NASA?
And what about the many Mars rovers and orbiters? I think you need to step back and think about how totally cool it is that we have machine rolling around on an alien planet.
And what about the Galileo mission to Jupiter? I know that one had some problems but still, it was cool.
And we have the New Horizons mission on its way to Pluto. Think about how cool that is! No human being today can tell you what the surface of Pluto looks like. Aren't you curious? I am! One day soon, thanks to NASA, we'll know.
And one day (unless congress cancels it) we'll have the ion-engine powered JIMO mission to orbit Europa. How cool is that??
Please don't sell NASA short. In the Apollo days, NASA's budget was like 1% of the GDP. It was like what we're spending in Iraq. All that, just going to NASA! Their budget hasn't gone up with inflation, it's gone way down.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but people are in constant contact with Voyager. This headline makes it sound like nobody has heard from Voyager in years, but the truth is, they never lost it.
This is just a story about how some amatures managed to find it. I mean, that's cool. Don't get me wrong. Congrats to those guys. But don't play it up to be more than that.
Does that mean that if space time stopped expanding, gravity wouldn't exist any more?
That is implied by my analogy, which was just pulled out of my ass and may or may not bear any resemblance to reality.
If we return to the oft-used balloon analogy, imagine that the universe is two dimensional and laid out on the surface of a large balloon. The balloon (space time) is expanding. Anything that has mass is like a piece of tape stuck to the balloon. The tape resists the expansion of the balloon, creating the two-dimensional equivalent of the other oft-used analogy, a depression made by a bowling ball on a trampoline.
That depression, that resistance to the expansion of space time, is what we perceive as gravity. Mass "causes" gravity by resisting the expansion of space time.
Well actually, the headline says 1m pounds, so wouldn't that be 1 milli-pound?
You're the only one who thinks it's a marketing strategy. Everyone else understands that google pages are hosted on servers, and servers need bandwidth and storage space, and therefore googlepages is open to as many people as they can handle at any one time.
If google did it your way, if they just opened it to everyone, then they'd be slashdotted within minutes, and then you'd be back here posting a comment along the lines of "google sucks b/c they are slashdotted. wtf. they should no bettar!!!111"
basically, you are going to complain no matter what.
Look, I'm at work, you can expect me to read the posts that I'm replying to let alone read the articles!
I see that you're joking, but just in case someone else comes along and doesn't understand, I'll say this very clearly, there is no way to get information from one place to another faster than the speed of light. Sure, you can point a laser at a far away wall and move the laser up and down rapidly. ok, so you have a spot that is moving faster than light. So what? The information - the movement of your hand, still propagates to the wall at the speed of light.
You can't get past that.
will be going many order of magnitude faster than light when it reaches mars.
um, no.
From the article: "One of the things I'm most proud about in Tron is there are no guns in the movie -- it's a killer Frisbee!" he said. "I mean, try to make an action adventure movie without a gun. I dare you."
So, those aren't gun turrets on the tanks? I guess those are love turrets, and they fire love and happiness.
I own a domain that is similar enough to an ISP that I get about one errant email a month. I wont change the domain name though for reasons that you wont care about.
Anyway, I have a standard response that I send back to people letting them know that they mistyped the addresses. In about two years of this, only 3 or 4 times has anyone bothered to thank me for letting them know they screwed up.
And one time, some idiot actually replied to my message and kept talking as if he was talking to his friend! Talk about dense.
What can it do that PHP or Perl/Mason can't?
Well for one thing, they are designing it from the ground up to be safer than PHP. I actually do like PHP but damn, it's so easy to shoot yourself in the foot! I think I'm a good programmer. I constantly think about things like SQL injection. I read all the PHP documentation about the mail() function, but sure enough, I opened myself up to being a spam relay. I don't know if I was hit, but I had code out there that was vulnerable.
But I followed the docs!!
There is some irony in calling someone else a coward while posting as an Anonymous Coward.
It is totally appalling. You should write to them and demand a full refund!