"But now, as we move into the next phase of the Internet, it's time to pick one overall strategy and stick to it. If OS continues on its lovably factioned way, it risks losing its important role in the future of the Internet."
Here read: ".NET is coming out, should there be Linux support?". This article was not about leadership for Open Source, it's about supporting M$ technologies - and this arguement has already happened with all the other Ximian/Mono articles that came out before this one. ( = 'bandwagon' + 'missed')
"Can O'Reilly, Stallman, and others agree on one approach and convince others to follow it"
Short answer: 'no'. It being Open Source, some people may want to work on supporting stufflikethis(tm), other mights not - but there should never be anyone standing up and saying 'Open Source should/should not support this project, and any work done to provide this support is valid/invalid.'
At the end of the day, it's going to be a bigger audience than this who decides whether it was worthwhile or useful.
Agree with the above entirely. But what amazes me more (and on a regular basis) is how working in an academic department with people who are supposedly at the height of the intellectual ladder expect electricity to reach their equipment THROUGH THE AIR!!!
These are the people who are teaching the managers and directors of the country's largest companies, but don't yet grasp the concept of POWER and ON.
<rant mode off>
My other favorites are;
- "my disk won't come out of the floppy drive" because it's already out
- "my e-mail won't go to my friend" "do you know their e-mail address?" "their what?"
- "my floppy drive is broken, it's really stiff inserting a disk" - walk across building to see user inserting disk upside-down, but pushing real hard anyway
- "my computer can't see my CDROM" "are you sure you've put the CDROM in the computer?" "yes of course I am. I can see it right here sitting on this tray thingy"
- "my mouse has run out of space on the mouse mat and my hand keeps banging against the filing cabinet" "have you tried picking up the mouse?" user picks up mouse and puts down again in same place.
All above true, but I've only been in tech support for three years - the next thirty are going to be a hoot!
Better than surround lights would be a Surround DigiScents system. Then I could emulate at work the comfort of my own bedroom; empty coffee cups through the left sniffer, musty old mouse mat from the centre sniffer, the two right sniffers would tell me there's some cold pizza somewhere in my unmade bed, and my rear-left would recreate that homely smell of the pile of socks in the corner.
The CCTV revolution HAS changed crime here in England. Walking down the main high street surrounded by other people is even safer than before!!! - big deal. It's just moved the crime elsewhere.
This is a bit basic, but I was messing about with stuff from the Red Hat Rawhide folder and screwed up my install - back into 'doze and restored the root partition from a Ghost image made a few weeks before (yes it was ext2). I stored all the images on the Samba server in the next room, so it wasn't a completely Windows solution;-)
Ghost came with my CD re-writer, but it's cheap enough on it's own and worthwhile if you're on a dual-boot system.
They say there's a howto for everything and everyone - I haven't found the one which will explain women yet - but I did find this one a while ago: From DOS/Windows to Linux HowTo. It probably answers your question, but there should be more exposure for documents like this rather than idiots & programmers as mentioned.
How many people do you know that have had Linux as their very FIRST OS? (not saying that's a bad thing)
And I had a similar problem. I have an Abit BP6 with two o/c'ed Celerons. When it came to a gfx card I chose the ATI Rage Fury Pro VIVO 32mb (Rage128Pro chipset). I can't say I've tried the 3D in Linux - but everything is really sweet elsewhere. Xwindows is fast and more importantly - very reliable image (no disappearing icons or wierd colors). Like the question says, SMP with the latest XFree86 (4+) this card is GOOD!
but they're still employing humans. And humans are prone to doing sensible things despite 'company policy' saying differently. That's why we used to hear of statistics of Linux being used in companies which didn't know about it - 'cos people made decisions for themselves and installed it anyway.
Microsoft is no different. I know an ex-Microsoft employee, and he'll gladly talk about when his team was using Linux in their office - he'll show more interest in Linux than many other techies - I guest that's what experience will do for you;-)
'What Dreams May Come' was one of those other movies 3d rendered using Linux systems. I don't care what system they used to make that film - even if they'd done it on paid-for NT machines, that movie is still a crime.
All those 'outsiders' who claim that Linux comes in too many varieties will use the fact that linux software comes in different packages as 'evidence' that Linux is splitting the way the old 'nix did.
What would be really cool would be a package format that was both compressed, but also capable of installing itself in the 'right place' on any distro.
Even RPM confuses me. I see separate Mandrake, SuSE and RedHat packages being distributed for some software.
They should plan it properly and put loads of things in one big mission. They could send up one big shuttle which could go round the Earth a couple of times, pause at the Hubble to perform a quick upgrade (they were on 486's before), drop off a couple of astronuts at one of the space stations, release a couple of satelites so they can get MTV in Etheopia and the Antarctic and then head out to the second star on the right for the long-overdue Mars mission. Another attempt at the huge beach ball with a rover in it... might work this time.
I seem to remember a story right here on/. just a couple of weeks ago laughing at people who fell for a major scam supposedly involving concerts over the net in full-screen video.
Is this another case of technology proving people wrong as soon as their words have been spoken?
If anyone is looking for a good book that goes back to those wonderful days of black-and-green block graphics video games, can I recommend 'Joystick Nation' by J.C.Herz. There's also a chapter arguing why Doom was possibly the best video game ever, though you don't need MAME for that!
You don't need to know what language to teach them, you need to know how to motivate them to learn more. You can give them the most complex language there is, but as long as they have a goal to reach with it - and they really want it - they'll learn it.
This kind of software is a Good Thing because it encourages people to try out new OS's for free - and actually get something out of them.
StarOffice is a good example. Anyone can replace a standard Win95, Office 97 machine at home with a RedHat disk and a cover CD with SO5.1 on it. Great. They then get exposure to a new system, new alternatives and a new way of working.
But what happens when somebody in the IT department decides that everyone in the building needs this setup? Hello support contract. Now you're tied to Sun rather than Microsoft, and you're paying for it. Sounds like commercial software to me.
If there aren't enough GOOD AND FREE alternatives to Free-beer software, like you suggest, it could take the public-perception of Linux to be just as commercial as 'doze.
Also as a person who studies at and works for a university, I'd like to think my University would have stood up to this kind of abuse. Yes, official looking letters can be threatening at first - but I'd have liked to seen them take it further, especially here in the UK where this hasn't been legally tested (Demon Internet issue known and understood - thank you).
As the content was supposedly only a spoof version of DeCSS, that only leaves a link that could be remotely contentious. A whole page removed because of a free-speech link? This is getting crazy.
Fight this - make more DeCSS 'spoofs' and put the links everywhere. ISP's will start to question this for themselves eventually, especially if they're asked to remove dozens of pages rather than one single one - they will bow to the user at the end of the day.
Although this processor is being compared with the Celeron (apart from the cache improvements), the article doesn't say whether I can pull the Intel Celerons out of my dual Socket 370 motherboard and put juicy AMD ones in it's place.
Last time AMD went onto Slot A instead of Slot 1, and 'introduced' a whole new range of motherboards into the market. If this chip is aimed at the cost-effective end of the market, how would a motherboard upgrade (at the same time) be justified?
"the United States leans towards a free-for-all Wild West where you can buy handguns out of vending machines"
I represent a major gun manufacturing company, and would like to discuss your idea for gun vending machines.
Having discussed this matter with our lawyers, we would like to purchase the rights to this concept and start manufacturing gun vending machines immediately.
Our research has shown an increase in demand for purchasing guns quickly and easily from general public areas. We were already in discussions with WalMart and think this idea would ideally suit the needs of our client. Following this we would like to branch out into cafes, hospitals and high schools.
Our aim is to provide a new high level of hardware quality to the average Joe on the streets, with easy-access and Rapid-Refill(TM) services.
If you have any objections to the name "Wild West Wending" (or "WWW" for short) please mention this in your reply.
*
If you didn't realise this wasn't for real after the subject heading, please leave America NOW.
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"But now, as we move into the next phase of the Internet, it's time to pick one overall strategy and stick to it. If OS continues on its lovably factioned way, it risks losing its important role in the future of the Internet."
Here read: ".NET is coming out, should there be Linux support?". This article was not about leadership for Open Source, it's about supporting M$ technologies - and this arguement has already happened with all the other Ximian/Mono articles that came out before this one. ( = 'bandwagon' + 'missed')
"Can O'Reilly, Stallman, and others agree on one approach and convince others to follow it"
Short answer: 'no'. It being Open Source, some people may want to work on supporting stufflikethis(tm), other mights not - but there should never be anyone standing up and saying 'Open Source should/should not support this project, and any work done to provide this support is valid/invalid.'
At the end of the day, it's going to be a bigger audience than this who decides whether it was worthwhile or useful.
Linux 2.4.7? I can beat that... I'm running on Linux 7.1!
So there!
(for those of you who don't know I'm joking - one of us needs help)
Agree with the above entirely. But what amazes me more (and on a regular basis) is how working in an academic department with people who are supposedly at the height of the intellectual ladder expect electricity to reach their equipment THROUGH THE AIR!!!
These are the people who are teaching the managers and directors of the country's largest companies, but don't yet grasp the concept of POWER and ON.
<rant mode off>
My other favorites are;
- "my disk won't come out of the floppy drive" because it's already out
- "my e-mail won't go to my friend" "do you know their e-mail address?" "their what?"
- "my floppy drive is broken, it's really stiff inserting a disk" - walk across building to see user inserting disk upside-down, but pushing real hard anyway
- "my computer can't see my CDROM" "are you sure you've put the CDROM in the computer?" "yes of course I am. I can see it right here sitting on this tray thingy"
- "my mouse has run out of space on the mouse mat and my hand keeps banging against the filing cabinet" "have you tried picking up the mouse?" user picks up mouse and puts down again in same place.
All above true, but I've only been in tech support for three years - the next thirty are going to be a hoot!
You might get a dropped packet!
Better than surround lights would be a Surround DigiScents system. Then I could emulate at work the comfort of my own bedroom; empty coffee cups through the left sniffer, musty old mouse mat from the centre sniffer, the two right sniffers would tell me there's some cold pizza somewhere in my unmade bed, and my rear-left would recreate that homely smell of the pile of socks in the corner.
The CCTV revolution HAS changed crime here in England. Walking down the main high street surrounded by other people is even safer than before!!! - big deal. It's just moved the crime elsewhere.
This is a bit basic, but I was messing about with stuff from the Red Hat Rawhide folder and screwed up my install - back into 'doze and restored the root partition from a Ghost image made a few weeks before (yes it was ext2). I stored all the images on the Samba server in the next room, so it wasn't a completely Windows solution ;-)
Ghost came with my CD re-writer, but it's cheap enough on it's own and worthwhile if you're on a dual-boot system.
They say there's a howto for everything and everyone - I haven't found the one which will explain women yet - but I did find this one a while ago: From DOS/Windows to Linux HowTo. It probably answers your question, but there should be more exposure for documents like this rather than idiots & programmers as mentioned.
How many people do you know that have had Linux as their very FIRST OS? (not saying that's a bad thing)
And I had a similar problem. I have an Abit BP6 with two o/c'ed Celerons. When it came to a gfx card I chose the ATI Rage Fury Pro VIVO 32mb (Rage128Pro chipset). I can't say I've tried the 3D in Linux - but everything is really sweet elsewhere. Xwindows is fast and more importantly - very reliable image (no disappearing icons or wierd colors). Like the question says, SMP with the latest XFree86 (4+) this card is GOOD!
It's also an excellent price atm.
"including plans to provide game software for rival makers' consoles"
So it looks like the original story about Sega and Nintendo 'teaming up' could have been right first time - sorta.
but they're still employing humans. And humans are prone to doing sensible things despite 'company policy' saying differently. That's why we used to hear of statistics of Linux being used in companies which didn't know about it - 'cos people made decisions for themselves and installed it anyway.
;-)
Microsoft is no different. I know an ex-Microsoft employee, and he'll gladly talk about when his team was using Linux in their office - he'll show more interest in Linux than many other techies - I guest that's what experience will do for you
\\//MJG.
'What Dreams May Come' was one of those other movies 3d rendered using Linux systems. I don't care what system they used to make that film - even if they'd done it on paid-for NT machines, that movie is still a crime.
but I still can't believe that the company that owns Netscape uses the browser of the other monopoly as the main browser of their 'internet packages'.
It's like making all GMC (=Vauxhall in UK) workers drive Ford's.
All those 'outsiders' who claim that Linux comes in too many varieties will use the fact that linux software comes in different packages as 'evidence' that Linux is splitting the way the old 'nix did.
What would be really cool would be a package format that was both compressed, but also capable of installing itself in the 'right place' on any distro.
Even RPM confuses me. I see separate Mandrake, SuSE and RedHat packages being distributed for some software.
They should plan it properly and put loads of things in one big mission. They could send up one big shuttle which could go round the Earth a couple of times, pause at the Hubble to perform a quick upgrade (they were on 486's before), drop off a couple of astronuts at one of the space stations, release a couple of satelites so they can get MTV in Etheopia and the Antarctic and then head out to the second star on the right for the long-overdue Mars mission. Another attempt at the huge beach ball with a rover in it... might work this time.
That's it, dead simple, load's of money saved.
I seem to remember a story right here on /. just a couple of weeks ago laughing at people who fell for a major scam supposedly involving concerts over the net in full-screen video.
Is this another case of technology proving people wrong as soon as their words have been spoken?
It's probably been delayed to give Microsoft time to finish porting Windows to it...
hang on, I've just thought about that comment. It isn't really that funny.
If anyone is looking for a good book that goes back to those wonderful days of black-and-green block graphics video games, can I recommend 'Joystick Nation' by J.C.Herz. There's also a chapter arguing why Doom was possibly the best video game ever, though you don't need MAME for that!
\\//MJG.
I suppose it's called a P4 to compete with the G4 - wow, this is going to have so many Apple customers confused... NOT.
Of course it's a stupid comment - it's a stupid name.
what keys do I use, or can I just use my force-feedback wheel?
You don't need to know what language to teach them, you need to know how to motivate them to learn more. You can give them the most complex language there is, but as long as they have a goal to reach with it - and they really want it - they'll learn it.
\\//MJG.
This kind of software is a Good Thing because it encourages people to try out new OS's for free - and actually get something out of them.
StarOffice is a good example. Anyone can replace a standard Win95, Office 97 machine at home with a RedHat disk and a cover CD with SO5.1 on it. Great. They then get exposure to a new system, new alternatives and a new way of working.
But what happens when somebody in the IT department decides that everyone in the building needs this setup? Hello support contract. Now you're tied to Sun rather than Microsoft, and you're paying for it. Sounds like commercial software to me.
If there aren't enough GOOD AND FREE alternatives to Free-beer software, like you suggest, it could take the public-perception of Linux to be just as commercial as 'doze.
Also as a person who studies at and works for a university, I'd like to think my University would have stood up to this kind of abuse. Yes, official looking letters can be threatening at first - but I'd have liked to seen them take it further, especially here in the UK where this hasn't been legally tested (Demon Internet issue known and understood - thank you).
As the content was supposedly only a spoof version of DeCSS, that only leaves a link that could be remotely contentious. A whole page removed because of a free-speech link? This is getting crazy.
Fight this - make more DeCSS 'spoofs' and put the links everywhere. ISP's will start to question this for themselves eventually, especially if they're asked to remove dozens of pages rather than one single one - they will bow to the user at the end of the day.
Although this processor is being compared with the Celeron (apart from the cache improvements), the article doesn't say whether I can pull the Intel Celerons out of my dual Socket 370 motherboard and put juicy AMD ones in it's place.
Last time AMD went onto Slot A instead of Slot 1, and 'introduced' a whole new range of motherboards into the market. If this chip is aimed at the cost-effective end of the market, how would a motherboard upgrade (at the same time) be justified?
"the United States leans towards a free-for-all Wild West where you can buy handguns out of vending machines"
I represent a major gun manufacturing company, and would like to discuss your idea for gun vending machines.
Having discussed this matter with our lawyers, we would like to purchase the rights to this concept and start manufacturing gun vending machines immediately.
Our research has shown an increase in demand for purchasing guns quickly and easily from general public areas. We were already in discussions with WalMart and think this idea would ideally suit the needs of our client. Following this we would like to branch out into cafes, hospitals and high schools.
Our aim is to provide a new high level of hardware quality to the average Joe on the streets, with easy-access and Rapid-Refill(TM) services.
If you have any objections to the name "Wild West Wending" (or "WWW" for short) please mention this in your reply.
*
If you didn't realise this wasn't for real after the subject heading, please leave America NOW.