3com 3c905's and 3c509's have a tendency to choke/act weird/not work at all under Mandrake 8/8.1/8.2. Better off with a $10 dlink or netgear card with the realtek chipset.
You must have some hardware issues that are agp related or something else. I've had a geforce2 mx for months now and have used all of the nvidia drivers on mandrake (even through 4 beta releases of 8.2) and never had ONE freeze. Don't spread FUD based on your personal experience with shite/buggered hardware.
Buy a radeon 8500 and try playing quake3 or anything else 3d in linux. Impossible.
Buy an Nvidia Geforce whatever or a lowly tnt. You'll be playing in 5 minutes or less.
Which one would you buy? It's obvious. Even though ATI provides a little community support, they don't personally work on the drivers and release them. Closed source, open source, the point is that ATI support SUCKS compared to Nvidia. All the DRI people say Radeon 8500 3d support sometime but it's taking a long, long time. I'll stick with Nvidia, a company I know and trust and can count on to supply me with high quality drivers.
My friend's pc is identical to mine with two exceptions: his is all scsi and runs XP. Mine runs mandrake 8.2. When we download and watch movies at the office, he always wants me to launch it in Mplayer because the playback is much cleaner and reliable. Mediaplayer will puke on the codec from time to time and give a nice 'blork' in the audio stream to boot. Mplayer never does this and is easier to skip around in during playback.
Mplayer needs to get popular on windows, it's not like it has much competition anyway.
What a homo..look what this guy said about stopping by the filming of Jay and SB Strike Back:
As I walked closer, I was passing by Shannon Elizabeth (all kinds of cute), Jason Mewes, Dwight Ewel, Joey Lauren Adams (looks great in person by the way), Brian O'Halloran, Jeff Anderson, Renee Humphrey (sweet), Walt Flannagan (almost as sexy as Mewes)
At first I had to remember this was a GUY writing this article, made me think twice.
They'll survive but their power supplies will be melted into a block of unrecognizable plastic.
Oh wait, you said after WWIII.
I loved my old commie but many times found myself overcome by a strong desire to choke the fool who designed the power supply. An epoxy-filled, non-repairable power supply is just wrong. The replacement power supplies from CMD and others weighed about 95% less and were fused, so if something went wrong, unscrew the cover, replace the fuse, power on.
Moderators, this isn't meant to be a funny comment, it's serious. There have been dozens of incredible demos over the years that demonstrate the power and flexibility of the c64. I can't count the number of times I've seen something previously thought impossible with graphics or sound on the c64. Hidden vectors, fullscreen demos without overlapping border sprite cheating, 10x or faster SID songs, there seems to be no limit.
C64 machine language can bring out the best. We didn't see the absolute best Playstation 1 games until Sony released the source to the psx and everyone was able to code ML/Assembly on it to get every last drop of performance out of it.
"the 10% decrease in music sales in 2001 was caused mostly by crappy bands playing the same shit you heard in 2000. No innovation or new styles were introduced which was believed to have led to the decline. The Celine Dion cd was also alleged to be a major contributor"
..I posted a link to www.winfirst.com. I wired their data center here in Dallas where they're running contracts to get fiber to downtown and some north dallas (along I75) locations. They used to have walkout maps showing where they were researching and potential neighborhood maps, after a redesign of their site they're gone. Anyway hit that site and get educated, these people will be a real competitor once their network is in place.
Life expectancies have risen for many reasons, genetics being the least of these. More people are well fed (in first world societies), well cared for, and generally just living better. Most of the plagues have already come and gone. Life expectancies in 3rd world countries have continued to remain low. Now are you trying to say that the first world people are evolving while the third world people aren't? That's absurd.
Just because you take heart medication to keep your blood pressure down has no bearing on whether or not your children will be susceptible to heart disease based on the genes you pass to them. A ridiculous claim at best.
Individual or not, our species is not evolving very quickly at all. Depending on what school of thought you subscribe to, the human tribe is hundreds of thousands of years old or possible much, much older. The only way to force the hand of evolution is genetic engineering. If 'corrected' gene sets start showing up in impregnated women then we can say a few people are evolving. Society and the human population at large remains the same.
There is still nearly zero evolution no matter which way you look at it. People are just healthier, have easier lives and aren't dying young from things medicine has solved (or should I say 'patched' since it's not solved at the genetic level, i.e. people are always susceptible to polio pre-vaccination). When people are born immune to polio, immune to AIDS, immune to Hepatitus, etc. etc. then you can say we are evolving.
I can't believe people are still reading this thread...
Anyway, here's the definition of evolution:
Biology. Change in the genetic composition of a population during successive generations, as a result of natural selection acting on the genetic variation among individuals, and resulting in the development of new species.
Now in a broader scheme, a non-biological focus, it can mean this:
A gradual process in which something changes into a different and usually more complex or better form.
However, using medicinal, cybernetic or other enhancements still does NOT change the underlying genetics, hence, from a biological standpoint, zero evolution. If you're talking gene therapy, it still doesn't apply because it's a short term fix...the genes you pass on to your offspring won't have your 'patches' applied.
To summarize, man made change isn't evolution because 1. it isn't permanent and 2. it isn't passed on to your offspring. This may change in the future but for now I stand by my original statement.
Well and then you have dragons known as mandrakes as well. The french are wacky, who knows what they originally intended..but the top hat and gloves they've used suggests Mandrake the Magician, along with the magic wand.
So true. If you start out with a crappy system you can expect lots of problems with kernels, hardware support, or anything else with ANY distro. My box has been upgraded 3 times since I started with Mandrake 6.5 and I've never had one problem with Mandrake or any other OS on this box.
I guess you missed the previous posts or your is old. Someone posted a quote from Mandrake's site mentioning their cashflow peril. Basically what happened to them last year was a disaster due to bad management. They refer to them as 'the old management' which leads me to believe they already cut the cancer out. Now they can get on with what they do best, making a good distro and charging a reasonable amount of money for it while keeping it all free (as in speech).
Easy installation on a wide variety of machines, support for alot of newer hardware as well as old machines.
Many filesystems to choose from.
Good desktop integration. Apps span all desktops so if you use Gnome, KDE, Enlightenment, Blackbox, or whatever, you always have the same menu synced up so all your apps are a click away.
Nice pentium optimizations for all packages. Redhat is stuck on i386 packages while mandrake has been i586 for years. This results in a 10-50% speed increase depending on the app, including the Advanced Extranet version of Apache, an excellent server that Mandrake ships with.
Mandrake tries to keep newbies from making stupid mistakes. You have to install rpms as root. KDE has a red desktop and almost no icons if you login as root. This discourages newbies from using a root desktop where it's easy to do lots of damage. Telnet server is not installed by default, you have to urpmi telnet to get it to install. That's good for security, and ssh is a default part of the install if you pick the server packages.
Fully customizable install. You can have a system install anywhere from 85 megs all the way to 2+ gigs. It depends on what you want. Also the installer knows what rpms depend on others so if you choose to remove packages from the install list it'll tell you what other packages depend on it so you won't end up with a broken system on your first install.
Up to date libraries and programs. Mandrake has been on the bleeding-edge as far as this goes for years. While some other distros are a pain in the ass to get the newest whatever running on, usually with Mandrake it's easy since all the libs are new.
Easy to update DURING INSTALL or post-install. During the install if you choose a mirror it'll hit the internet and get new packages for you. This was a brilliant move for mandrake because as bugs are found and squashed in 8.2, they can be added to this update list. Showstoppers can be squashed before you even boot into your fresh mandrake install for the first time. Post install updating is even easier, just open rpmdrake and click mandrake update. That's all it takes.
There are tons of more benefits but these are really the ones that shine IMHO.
Give 8.2 a try. Bloat depends on YOU, not the distro. If you install in expert mode and pick every single package listed, yeah, it's gonna get bloated quick. OTOH if you select minimal install you can get a working system on as little as 85 megs.
Functionalities is plural sir. Urpmi is almost identical to apt-get with the exception of the rebuild from source, just like the previous person said. That's one function, not many. So an accurate rephrasing of your statement would be "Well then Mandrake urpmi does not provide the exact same functions as apt wouldn't you say?" or better yet, "Well then Mandrake urpmi is missing a single feature that apt-get has, which is rebuilding a source rpm."
The previous poster said you were trolling with apt because 95% of 'Debian is better than x because' arguments involve apt-get. The fact remains that urpmi is comparable to apt-get.
Anyone ever wrestle with a rackmount Compaq Proliant 5000? I recently got one with nt4 preinstalled (no known admin password) with 3 gb raid drives. I thought I'd give the newest Mandrake a shot.
It wouldn't boot from the cd, which didn't surprise me because it's so damn old. I did however make a cd install boot disk, which came up instantly and hit the cdrom. About the only thing that went wrong in the install was it not detecting the full amount of ram. Again, no shocker here due to the age and strangeness of the hardware.
Overall it was a flawless install. The compaq raid card was fully supported, along with every other device in the machine. The installer knew it was smp-capable so gave me the option to install the smp kernel even though there's only one cpu in it now.
I still can't believe that something so new installed on something so old. Url to it is http://openloop.by-a.com, nothing there but it's up.
Where's the humor in this, oh crack smoking moderators with a +5 funny rating? This is serious. I use mdk8.2 on more than a few servers. From stability to security Mandrake has it down.
Know any other desktop-friendly distros that don't want you to be root in a window manager or don't install telnet server by default because it's a security risk?
Once all the BS from the Microsoft lawsuit-o-rama is finished, maybe OEM's will have the freedom to offer their customers an alternative to the monopoly. I'm sure you read about what happened to Dell for offering Redhat on some machines, no other vendor wants to deal with that sort of backlash from M$.
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3com 3c905's and 3c509's have a tendency to choke/act weird/not work at all under Mandrake 8/8.1/8.2. Better off with a $10 dlink or netgear card with the realtek chipset.
You must have some hardware issues that are agp related or something else. I've had a geforce2 mx for months now and have used all of the nvidia drivers on mandrake (even through 4 beta releases of 8.2) and never had ONE freeze. Don't spread FUD based on your personal experience with shite/buggered hardware.
Yeah that'll take a whole 6 minutes out of your day ;P
All I have to say is this:
Buy a radeon 8500 and try playing quake3 or anything else 3d in linux. Impossible.
Buy an Nvidia Geforce whatever or a lowly tnt. You'll be playing in 5 minutes or less.
Which one would you buy? It's obvious. Even though ATI provides a little community support, they don't personally work on the drivers and release them. Closed source, open source, the point is that ATI support SUCKS compared to Nvidia. All the DRI people say Radeon 8500 3d support sometime but it's taking a long, long time. I'll stick with Nvidia, a company I know and trust and can count on to supply me with high quality drivers.
Yeah, screw the founding fathers. What did they know anyway, people act like they built the foundation for america or something. Retards.
My friend's pc is identical to mine with two exceptions: his is all scsi and runs XP. Mine runs mandrake 8.2. When we download and watch movies at the office, he always wants me to launch it in Mplayer because the playback is much cleaner and reliable. Mediaplayer will puke on the codec from time to time and give a nice 'blork' in the audio stream to boot. Mplayer never does this and is easier to skip around in during playback.
Mplayer needs to get popular on windows, it's not like it has much competition anyway.
What a homo..look what this guy said about stopping by the filming of Jay and SB Strike Back:
As I walked closer, I was passing by Shannon Elizabeth (all kinds of cute), Jason Mewes, Dwight Ewel, Joey Lauren Adams (looks great in person by the way), Brian O'Halloran, Jeff Anderson, Renee Humphrey (sweet), Walt Flannagan (almost as sexy as Mewes)
At first I had to remember this was a GUY writing this article, made me think twice.
They'll survive but their power supplies will be melted into a block of unrecognizable plastic.
Oh wait, you said after WWIII.
I loved my old commie but many times found myself overcome by a strong desire to choke the fool who designed the power supply. An epoxy-filled, non-repairable power supply is just wrong. The replacement power supplies from CMD and others weighed about 95% less and were fused, so if something went wrong, unscrew the cover, replace the fuse, power on.
2003 Kissed a girl for the first time, computer now sits in dusty corner.
Moderators, this isn't meant to be a funny comment, it's serious. There have been dozens of incredible demos over the years that demonstrate the power and flexibility of the c64. I can't count the number of times I've seen something previously thought impossible with graphics or sound on the c64. Hidden vectors, fullscreen demos without overlapping border sprite cheating, 10x or faster SID songs, there seems to be no limit.
C64 machine language can bring out the best. We didn't see the absolute best Playstation 1 games until Sony released the source to the psx and everyone was able to code ML/Assembly on it to get every last drop of performance out of it.
It's already available in San Diego or Sacramento from www.winfirst.com..the mods haven't seen my post at the bottom yet I guess.
"the 10% decrease in music sales in 2001 was caused mostly by crappy bands playing the same shit you heard in 2000. No innovation or new styles were introduced which was believed to have led to the decline. The Celine Dion cd was also alleged to be a major contributor"
..I posted a link to www.winfirst.com. I wired their data center here in Dallas where they're running contracts to get fiber to downtown and some north dallas (along I75) locations. They used to have walkout maps showing where they were researching and potential neighborhood maps, after a redesign of their site they're gone. Anyway hit that site and get educated, these people will be a real competitor once their network is in place.
Life expectancies have risen for many reasons, genetics being the least of these. More people are well fed (in first world societies), well cared for, and generally just living better. Most of the plagues have already come and gone. Life expectancies in 3rd world countries have continued to remain low. Now are you trying to say that the first world people are evolving while the third world people aren't? That's absurd.
Just because you take heart medication to keep your blood pressure down has no bearing on whether or not your children will be susceptible to heart disease based on the genes you pass to them. A ridiculous claim at best.
Individual or not, our species is not evolving very quickly at all. Depending on what school of thought you subscribe to, the human tribe is hundreds of thousands of years old or possible much, much older. The only way to force the hand of evolution is genetic engineering. If 'corrected' gene sets start showing up in impregnated women then we can say a few people are evolving. Society and the human population at large remains the same.
There is still nearly zero evolution no matter which way you look at it. People are just healthier, have easier lives and aren't dying young from things medicine has solved (or should I say 'patched' since it's not solved at the genetic level, i.e. people are always susceptible to polio pre-vaccination). When people are born immune to polio, immune to AIDS, immune to Hepatitus, etc. etc. then you can say we are evolving.
I can't believe people are still reading this thread...
Anyway, here's the definition of evolution:
Biology.
Change in the genetic composition of a population during successive generations, as a result of natural selection acting on the genetic variation among individuals, and resulting in the development of new species.
Now in a broader scheme, a non-biological focus, it can mean this:
A gradual process in which something changes into a different and usually more complex or better form.
However, using medicinal, cybernetic or other enhancements still does NOT change the underlying genetics, hence, from a biological standpoint, zero evolution. If you're talking gene therapy, it still doesn't apply because it's a short term fix...the genes you pass on to your offspring won't have your 'patches' applied.
To summarize, man made change isn't evolution because 1. it isn't permanent and 2. it isn't passed on to your offspring. This may change in the future but for now I stand by my original statement.
Well and then you have dragons known as mandrakes as well. The french are wacky, who knows what they originally intended..but the top hat and gloves they've used suggests Mandrake the Magician, along with the magic wand.
So true. If you start out with a crappy system you can expect lots of problems with kernels, hardware support, or anything else with ANY distro. My box has been upgraded 3 times since I started with Mandrake 6.5 and I've never had one problem with Mandrake or any other OS on this box.
I guess you missed the previous posts or your is old. Someone posted a quote from Mandrake's site mentioning their cashflow peril. Basically what happened to them last year was a disaster due to bad management. They refer to them as 'the old management' which leads me to believe they already cut the cancer out. Now they can get on with what they do best, making a good distro and charging a reasonable amount of money for it while keeping it all free (as in speech).
Mandrake advantages:
Easy installation on a wide variety of machines, support for alot of newer hardware as well as old machines.
Many filesystems to choose from.
Good desktop integration. Apps span all desktops so if you use Gnome, KDE, Enlightenment, Blackbox, or whatever, you always have the same menu synced up so all your apps are a click away.
Nice pentium optimizations for all packages. Redhat is stuck on i386 packages while mandrake has been i586 for years. This results in a 10-50% speed increase depending on the app, including the Advanced Extranet version of Apache, an excellent server that Mandrake ships with.
Mandrake tries to keep newbies from making stupid mistakes. You have to install rpms as root. KDE has a red desktop and almost no icons if you login as root. This discourages newbies from using a root desktop where it's easy to do lots of damage. Telnet server is not installed by default, you have to urpmi telnet to get it to install. That's good for security, and ssh is a default part of the install if you pick the server packages.
Fully customizable install. You can have a system install anywhere from 85 megs all the way to 2+ gigs. It depends on what you want. Also the installer knows what rpms depend on others so if you choose to remove packages from the install list it'll tell you what other packages depend on it so you won't end up with a broken system on your first install.
Up to date libraries and programs. Mandrake has been on the bleeding-edge as far as this goes for years. While some other distros are a pain in the ass to get the newest whatever running on, usually with Mandrake it's easy since all the libs are new.
Easy to update DURING INSTALL or post-install. During the install if you choose a mirror it'll hit the internet and get new packages for you. This was a brilliant move for mandrake because as bugs are found and squashed in 8.2, they can be added to this update list. Showstoppers can be squashed before you even boot into your fresh mandrake install for the first time. Post install updating is even easier, just open rpmdrake and click mandrake update. That's all it takes.
There are tons of more benefits but these are really the ones that shine IMHO.
Give 8.2 a try. Bloat depends on YOU, not the distro. If you install in expert mode and pick every single package listed, yeah, it's gonna get bloated quick. OTOH if you select minimal install you can get a working system on as little as 85 megs.
Functionalities is plural sir. Urpmi is almost identical to apt-get with the exception of the rebuild from source, just like the previous person said. That's one function, not many. So an accurate rephrasing of your statement would be "Well then Mandrake urpmi does not provide the exact same functions as apt wouldn't you say?" or better yet, "Well then Mandrake urpmi is missing a single feature that apt-get has, which is rebuilding a source rpm."
The previous poster said you were trolling with apt because 95% of 'Debian is better than x because' arguments involve apt-get. The fact remains that urpmi is comparable to apt-get.
Anyone ever wrestle with a rackmount Compaq Proliant 5000? I recently got one with nt4 preinstalled (no known admin password) with 3 gb raid drives. I thought I'd give the newest Mandrake a shot.
It wouldn't boot from the cd, which didn't surprise me because it's so damn old. I did however make a cd install boot disk, which came up instantly and hit the cdrom. About the only thing that went wrong in the install was it not detecting the full amount of ram. Again, no shocker here due to the age and strangeness of the hardware.
Overall it was a flawless install. The compaq raid card was fully supported, along with every other device in the machine. The installer knew it was smp-capable so gave me the option to install the smp kernel even though there's only one cpu in it now.
I still can't believe that something so new installed on something so old. Url to it is http://openloop.by-a.com, nothing there but it's up.
Where's the humor in this, oh crack smoking moderators with a +5 funny rating? This is serious. I use mdk8.2 on more than a few servers. From stability to security Mandrake has it down.
Know any other desktop-friendly distros that don't want you to be root in a window manager or don't install telnet server by default because it's a security risk?
That bears zero relation to the distro. They use magic wands and stars everywhere in reference to Mandrake the Magician. Hit google sometime.
Once all the BS from the Microsoft lawsuit-o-rama is finished, maybe OEM's will have the freedom to offer their customers an alternative to the monopoly. I'm sure you read about what happened to Dell for offering Redhat on some machines, no other vendor wants to deal with that sort of backlash from M$.