I found the comment interesting, though I completely disagree with it. Whats more interesting is watching Bruce respond to it. But unfortunately, you started drifting off about cults and the whole thing starts to get trollish.
BTW - I always find the "troll" tag rather interesting. The trouble is that people with honest opinions they feel that are important but obviously against the "party line" get mixed up in it. After all, a troll is an expression that is designed to instigate argument. Sometimes its hard to tell the difference between honest opinion and calculated attempt to get a negative reaction. Not that trolls don't have a place - I fully support the idea of playing Devil's Advocate to hash out an issue and challenge one's position. But when the same "ignorant" (I hesitate to use the word - its emotionally charged and a matter of perspective) opinion is expressed again and again... it gets old. And thus moderated as 'troll' burried down in to the bottom of the conversation with the other noise.
I think that anime, for most of us who read/., is a way to reach our childhood again. We all watched cartoons when we were little, and people try so hard at finding their childhood again and trying to recapture it. The success of the revamped comic versions of Transformers, G.I.Joe, Thundercats, and Battle of the Planets speaks this out.
I have to strongly disagree with this.
First, it falls in to the usual US cultural trap of labeling all animation as "cartoons for kids". While there is more than ample evidence of "kids cartoons" from the likes of Hanna Barbarra, there is plenty of adult content in other animated works. Disney's classics are wonderful artworks. And many of the unedited Warner Bros. classics are full of humor and cultural references that only an adult (with some idea of history) will likely catch. Even some of the later cartoons such as Animaniacs packed in adult references. Of course, that completely ignores animation that is entirely of an adult nature - such as Heavy Metal.
Of course - when I was a kid, I hated Transformers, G.I. Joe, and Thundercats. I wasn't overly fond of Battle of the Planets. But I loved Robotech (especially the feeling of depth during space combat scenes). I find anime interesting because of its style, concepts, and because it doesn't fall in to the trap of being "just for kids" all the time.
One final comment - nostalgia exists. I fall in to it myself. I occasionally catch The A-Team and CHiPs on TV. Sometimes I'll catch some cartoon I remember from childhood. I think I probably enjoy Space Ghost Coast to Coast partly because of its mocking 70s-era cartoons (or at least the Space Ghost series). But I've always appreciated animation and have no illusion that any current appreciation is induced by a desire to revisit my childhood.
First, whenever some story having to do with an IT company, its business practices, and ethics appears on Slashdot its almost a given there will be at least one post that can be summerized as "they're a business - they've got to make money!" It seems the entire point is that ethics has no place when profit is anywhere near the conversation. Now - I would shrug it off as a troll if it weren't for the fact that its consistant and I've met the same attitude when dealing with marketing business units (obviously outside of Slashdot).
Secondly, I used to work for a somewhat small telecom company. Actually - I worked for the ISP that had been bought out by the telecom company. It was a strange experience. As upper management slowly killed all the ISP side's business, we began to wonder where the hell they were making their money. There was an off-shore betting operation that used our satalite links - could be mob or drug money. There was the calling cards targeted at South American immigrants - but even when they played fast and loose with exactly how much actual phone call you got for your money, we weren't quite sure what the profit level was (but I was darned glad nobody knew where our operations center was - in the early days of the cards, the ISP side would field overflow call volume and I couldn't believe the number of pissed off people... one of which read off a p.o. box location and said he was heading there with a gun). So if these few successes weren't the major income, where the hell was the money coming from? It wasn't from the ISP's dwindling customer base. Then it was all clear.
Management announced another dog-and-pony show. We were to get everything prepared for a new gaggle of investors who would tour the facility. One of the business types gushed about how one of our illustrious execs had come from somewhere high in the old WorldCom foodchain and has been attracting investors who wanted to get in on the next WorldCom-like rising star. That would apparently be us. Our income - investors.
It seems our entire business plan was to attract investment dollars. Then puff up to look like a much bigger fish than we were. Hopefully, a much larger fish would see us, decide we were all fat and tasty-looking, and swallow us whole. Everyone would make huge profits. Step Three was almost a certainty.
I was amazed every day that I showed up for work and the front door wasn't closed with a chain and padlock.
I've heard some rumors recently of various groups getting their warchests assembled. Apparently there's some tasty capacity to be had once all that ugly debt gets stripped away. Just when you thought it was safe and the consolidation cycle was over [queue music].
These execs do things because they don't think they'll get caught, therefore the length of prison sentence is not a factor.
I think its fair to say that these execs either don't think they'll get caught or they manage to convince themselves that what they're doing isn't something they would be prosecuted for. It is almost certain that stiffer penalties would not eliminate future crimes - when has it ever? But that's not the point.
Hundreds of families have had their current and future plans destroyed by these few people's actions. Once caught, they "spend more time at home with family" at their several-milllion dollar residence (or out fishing with son on an undoubtedly expensive boat - both are paraphrased from a local Houston newspaper). If these guys do get nabbed, I really don't care much about jail time. But they sure as hell shouldn't have the rest of their financial lives intact after having destroyed so many other's.
Ultimately, the reason people at this level supposedly justify their income is the level of responsibility they command. They are expected to keep track of a large number of issues and make propper decissions based on these factors. Not everyone can do it - fine. But when you screw up at that level, you should pay. Dearly. That's why you make the big bucks.
Great. Not only will we have the usual series of people hunting for hidden meaning in "crop circle" patterns... but we'll have another group hunting for hidden Mickeys.
It's not as if people are in control of how other people use their religion to manipulate people.
Certainly. But the followers of any religion DO have the ability to decide whether they will follow their religious leaders. Too many ignorant followers of ALL religions allow themselves to be lead down dark paths - even those contrary to their own supposed beliefs.
Less you get the wrong idea, I'm not questioning the validity of Islam. I mention it because, like Christianity, it is one of the the world's most pervasive religions. I also include it because Islam is indirectly responsible for the PATRIOT act (this isn't a reaction to the actions of militant Wiccans).
Allow me to restate my point - all religions have aspects of instability. It is a condition of humanity. After all, religion is a device of our own creation. Even if the basis of those religions came from divine intervention / inspiration, it is still recorded by the hand of man.
Oh, how cruel. You have cut me deeply with a comical stereotype penned in an anonymous hand. How will I ever recover from this "truth" that I have been forced to confront?
All you have to do is say "Microsoft Zealot" and one or two of the turkeys will puff up and come charging out of whatever recesses they hide in.
Is it that ignorant people allow their religions to be hijacked for dubious goals? Or am I ignorant to believe that Islamic faith is just as susceptible as Christianity?
Personally I think that some of Christianities beliefs are quite unstable, especially when it comes to trying to match the end of times with current political and world events. (I am actually worried that some people are trying to force a match)
Hummanity is unstable - its not just the Christian religion. Religions tend to have mechanisms in place that lend themselves to becoming, ultimately, destructive tools. Since its kind of on-topic... look no further than the various Islamic faiths for another example.
For being a real security expert you need extremely broad scientific knowledge and not just a long list of memorized UNIX commands. And these dudes don't have this knowledge at all, e.g. I would be surprised if one of them knows the Riemannian Zeta function at all.
You said it! Why, just the other day I was busy building a ruleset for a new firewall and I had a coworker give it a look.
"Hey! You forgot the 'Riemannian Zeta function'", he noted.
Talk about a professional faus paux - that changed my entire ruleset. I knew then was the time to lock my screen and go get a coke from the break room. If I forgot such a mainstay to information security, I obviously needed a break.
The odd thing is that I was using the "Riemannian Zeta function" to harden a server that was going on the DMZ just that morning. And its also prominently featured in many of our infosec policies and best practices documentation - some of which I helped write. Hell - many arguments over infrastructure issues with the rest of the IT department has been solved by getting everyone in conference room and hashing out a zeta function on the whiteboard. I mean... sure, you still have a few dissenters. But its hard to maintain a rational stance in the face of pure mathmatics.
"Zealot" is one of those really interesting words. There is, of course, a standard dictionary term for the word. However, it does nothing to address the emotional charge behind the word. And it doesn't address how indivudals sometimes play fast and loose with that definition.
I like to think I am not a "Linux Zealot". I am an enthusiast - I choose Linux solutions over Microsoft whenever possible. I distrust Microsoft personally and professionally. But I am more than willing to accept other solutions (I do enjoy Solaris, FreeBSD, and find OS X interesting). I will accept valid criticism of Linux - and there are more than a few points worthy of a critical eye. And I do still run Windows (and Microsoft software) when the situation dictates it.
Some would still label me as "zealot". Which is fine, because although its not as much a catch phrase as "Linux Zealot"... there are Microsoft Zealots too. And they're becoming more common in this forum.
Slashdot's bias against MS is one of the reasons I began frequenting this site. In many ways, it was a reaction to the blatent possitive MS spin that was evident in most tech publications (and still is even though its become more popular to be critical of Microsoft).
Granted - it gets out of hand. Microsoft sometimes gets bashed when theres no reason to. Which is silly. MS offers more than enough reasons otherwise... despite what the Microsoft Zealots claim.
Just a side note, if anyone ever came up with a virus that was as devastating to apache as code red was to IIS, I think Linux would be doomed. If you expect something to fail (Microsoft products) then you don't care too much when they do. But if a product is touted as being absolutely secure and stable (Linux/Apache) then when it does screw up big, it will probably be it's death. The higher up you are, the further you have to fall.
Tnere has to be some fundimental shifts in the environment for this to happen. You see - Linux (and Solaris) have had their own worms around the same time period as Code Red. They could have been just as devistating - but they weren't. They died quickly and went away.
Of course - that's not to say it can't happen to Linux in the future. Some changes that would have to take place would include:
1) An increase in un-administered machines (which is possible as more Linux machines go in to service and are promptly forgotten about or appropriate support stuff aren't also put in place).
2) More distributions installing services by default without user knowledge (which most distros seem fairly resistant to doing - but not all).
3) Patches that become as devistating as the security threat they attempt to mitigate (I've yet to see this and would think that any organization that constantly produced dangerous patches / replacement packages would find their user base fleeing to another distribution).
With Proxomitron, your browser can identify itself as "Space Bison", one of the built-in options, or anything you choose. I choose to take out the serial number.
That's especially cool.
Don't get me wrong - Proxomitron looks like a really cool piece of software. And yea, Windows users probably need this kind of thing even more considering the silliness going on in their environment. But for the most part, this just isn't for me.
It gets old, Slashdot people saying they don't run Windows. I posted a link to an article on my web site, and lots of Slashdot people visited. Most were running IE and Windows. Other people have mentioned this also.
There will be a day when almost everyone runs Linux, but that day is not here yet. I can't yet sell Linux to my customers because it is a little too technical yet.
I believe Slashdot itself has a statistics page (forget where it is) that breaks down browser identifications that hit the site - and the vast majority is, in fact, IE. It makes sense - Windows is going to be in most environments no matter what your personal preference is.
I personally prefer Linux. I run it on my desktop and my laptop. But I do still run Windows when needed (dual boot or vmware). And I work with Windows when customers need it. Of course, at the same time, I've been able to sell Linux solutions more and more often when Linux makes sense. Granted - I've yet to run in to a good oportunity to sell it as a desktop solution for a customer (although a lot of them find it interesting to see it on my laptop).
I'm inclined to think that it does... and you are one of them.;)
Well. Let me rephrase that a bit. It takes a different kind of person to look at a game, imagine changing things... and then doing it and producing a playable game.
AND privoxy does a pretty decent job at filtering Flash ads. I don't mind ads in general... in fact, I've been slowly easing up privoxy's default config to allow for more ad banners. But I do hate Flash, user tracking, stupid java tricks, blinking ad banners... and other such marketing shennanigans.
There's a scene in the semi-historical movie Pirates of Silicon Valley between the fictionalized Jobs and Gates. Gates visits a rather piturbed Jobs who had recently discovered Microsoft has been developing its own GUI environment. It ends with:
JOBS: We're better than you are. We have better stuff!
GATES: You don't realize, Steve... that doesn't matter!
I can imagine a sequel called Revolitionaries of Silicon Valley. There will be a scene between a famous Microsoft representative (Bill? Ballmer? Maybe one of the senior PR/Spin/Advertising execs) and someone from the Linux camp (Torvalds? ESR? Maybe one of the Linux business developers). It will be at the upcoming LinuxWorld Expo, set in a hotel suite rented for the Microsoft booth staff. It'll go something like:
Microsoft: We're better than you are! We have better marketing!
Of course it does. It just happens to be the very same outlook that led a few people to look at a rack of games and pick out "Adventure Construction Set" instead of "Final Fantasy."
I believe the choices at that time would have been Adventure Contruction Set or Ultima III (or perhapse II - my timeline might be a bit askew). But you make an excellent point... AND highlight the origional question.
First, in this post, Dr_LHA made an interesting observation about the computer industry. Back in those days, the home computer was still commonly an early adopter / computer hobbiest's device. Construction Set software would have appealed to that type. Just as it would appeal to someone who reaches for the Construction Set instead of the pre-made adventure game (or buys both!).
But then... while you can find the latest installment of Final Fantasy on the shelf, where's the newest Adventure Construction Kit? That's the question.
Of course - people have already pointed out Neverwinter Nights. Its not Adventure Construction Set, no. But it does play on the same concept. It appeals to someone who would have reached for both Ultima and ACS. And its the first attempt to apply the amazing series of events set in motion by Quake to the graphical MUD environment (look out UO and Everquest - and yes MUD Purists, I know how much more advanced so many text MUDs are to UO and Everquest).
I think it doesn't take very much to be able to look at Quake and think "wouldn't it be cool if...". If you get an idea that you really care about, you can probably do it.
One of the key elements to the Construction Kit series was a very simple interface that could be used to generate very impressive (for its time) stand-alone works.
I've never worked on or tweaked a mod so my impressions may be far from the truth. However, I was under the impression that creating a mod took a certain degree of coding talent (without getting in to exactly what degree of talent was displayed by your favorite / most despised mod). If creating a mod is much easier than basic (or not-so-basic) coding, then I would find it easier to accept the argument that the mod scene sits in the same category as the old Construction Set series.
I haven't looked at it recently... but a rather cynical friend of mine points out that there seems to be a large number of PvP-style modules being created. The comment: "Oh look. Lets take an advanced roleplaying-targeted environment... and turn it in to Quake".
Of course, I maintain that given time... really cool stuff will start to surface. If the EULA hasn't stifled people's creativity and willingness to develop in that environment.
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I found the comment interesting, though I completely disagree with it. Whats more interesting is watching Bruce respond to it. But unfortunately, you started drifting off about cults and the whole thing starts to get trollish.
BTW - I always find the "troll" tag rather interesting. The trouble is that people with honest opinions they feel that are important but obviously against the "party line" get mixed up in it. After all, a troll is an expression that is designed to instigate argument. Sometimes its hard to tell the difference between honest opinion and calculated attempt to get a negative reaction. Not that trolls don't have a place - I fully support the idea of playing Devil's Advocate to hash out an issue and challenge one's position. But when the same "ignorant" (I hesitate to use the word - its emotionally charged and a matter of perspective) opinion is expressed again and again... it gets old. And thus moderated as 'troll' burried down in to the bottom of the conversation with the other noise.
First, it falls in to the usual US cultural trap of labeling all animation as "cartoons for kids". While there is more than ample evidence of "kids cartoons" from the likes of Hanna Barbarra, there is plenty of adult content in other animated works. Disney's classics are wonderful artworks. And many of the unedited Warner Bros. classics are full of humor and cultural references that only an adult (with some idea of history) will likely catch. Even some of the later cartoons such as Animaniacs packed in adult references. Of course, that completely ignores animation that is entirely of an adult nature - such as Heavy Metal.
Of course - when I was a kid, I hated Transformers, G.I. Joe, and Thundercats. I wasn't overly fond of Battle of the Planets. But I loved Robotech (especially the feeling of depth during space combat scenes). I find anime interesting because of its style, concepts, and because it doesn't fall in to the trap of being "just for kids" all the time.
One final comment - nostalgia exists. I fall in to it myself. I occasionally catch The A-Team and CHiPs on TV. Sometimes I'll catch some cartoon I remember from childhood. I think I probably enjoy Space Ghost Coast to Coast partly because of its mocking 70s-era cartoons (or at least the Space Ghost series). But I've always appreciated animation and have no illusion that any current appreciation is induced by a desire to revisit my childhood.
While I appreciate the points... the specific term used was "eliminate", not "reduce".
I'd like to offer two observations.
First, whenever some story having to do with an IT company, its business practices, and ethics appears on Slashdot its almost a given there will be at least one post that can be summerized as "they're a business - they've got to make money!" It seems the entire point is that ethics has no place when profit is anywhere near the conversation. Now - I would shrug it off as a troll if it weren't for the fact that its consistant and I've met the same attitude when dealing with marketing business units (obviously outside of Slashdot).
Secondly, I used to work for a somewhat small telecom company. Actually - I worked for the ISP that had been bought out by the telecom company. It was a strange experience. As upper management slowly killed all the ISP side's business, we began to wonder where the hell they were making their money. There was an off-shore betting operation that used our satalite links - could be mob or drug money. There was the calling cards targeted at South American immigrants - but even when they played fast and loose with exactly how much actual phone call you got for your money, we weren't quite sure what the profit level was (but I was darned glad nobody knew where our operations center was - in the early days of the cards, the ISP side would field overflow call volume and I couldn't believe the number of pissed off people... one of which read off a p.o. box location and said he was heading there with a gun). So if these few successes weren't the major income, where the hell was the money coming from? It wasn't from the ISP's dwindling customer base. Then it was all clear.
Management announced another dog-and-pony show. We were to get everything prepared for a new gaggle of investors who would tour the facility. One of the business types gushed about how one of our illustrious execs had come from somewhere high in the old WorldCom foodchain and has been attracting investors who wanted to get in on the next WorldCom-like rising star. That would apparently be us. Our income - investors.
It seems our entire business plan was to attract investment dollars. Then puff up to look like a much bigger fish than we were. Hopefully, a much larger fish would see us, decide we were all fat and tasty-looking, and swallow us whole. Everyone would make huge profits. Step Three was almost a certainty.
I was amazed every day that I showed up for work and the front door wasn't closed with a chain and padlock.
I've heard some rumors recently of various groups getting their warchests assembled. Apparently there's some tasty capacity to be had once all that ugly debt gets stripped away. Just when you thought it was safe and the consolidation cycle was over [queue music].
Hundreds of families have had their current and future plans destroyed by these few people's actions. Once caught, they "spend more time at home with family" at their several-milllion dollar residence (or out fishing with son on an undoubtedly expensive boat - both are paraphrased from a local Houston newspaper). If these guys do get nabbed, I really don't care much about jail time. But they sure as hell shouldn't have the rest of their financial lives intact after having destroyed so many other's.
Ultimately, the reason people at this level supposedly justify their income is the level of responsibility they command. They are expected to keep track of a large number of issues and make propper decissions based on these factors. Not everyone can do it - fine. But when you screw up at that level, you should pay. Dearly. That's why you make the big bucks.
Great. Not only will we have the usual series of people hunting for hidden meaning in "crop circle" patterns... but we'll have another group hunting for hidden Mickeys.
Less you get the wrong idea, I'm not questioning the validity of Islam. I mention it because, like Christianity, it is one of the the world's most pervasive religions. I also include it because Islam is indirectly responsible for the PATRIOT act (this isn't a reaction to the actions of militant Wiccans).
Allow me to restate my point - all religions have aspects of instability. It is a condition of humanity. After all, religion is a device of our own creation. Even if the basis of those religions came from divine intervention / inspiration, it is still recorded by the hand of man.
Oh, how cruel. You have cut me deeply with a comical stereotype penned in an anonymous hand. How will I ever recover from this "truth" that I have been forced to confront?
All you have to do is say "Microsoft Zealot" and one or two of the turkeys will puff up and come charging out of whatever recesses they hide in.
Is it that ignorant people allow their religions to be hijacked for dubious goals? Or am I ignorant to believe that Islamic faith is just as susceptible as Christianity?
One one of my off days I would have asked if the guy works on commission, and if so, please go get another salesperson for me to talk to. ;)
"Hey! You forgot the 'Riemannian Zeta function'", he noted.
Talk about a professional faus paux - that changed my entire ruleset. I knew then was the time to lock my screen and go get a coke from the break room. If I forgot such a mainstay to information security, I obviously needed a break.
The odd thing is that I was using the "Riemannian Zeta function" to harden a server that was going on the DMZ just that morning. And its also prominently featured in many of our infosec policies and best practices documentation - some of which I helped write. Hell - many arguments over infrastructure issues with the rest of the IT department has been solved by getting everyone in conference room and hashing out a zeta function on the whiteboard. I mean... sure, you still have a few dissenters. But its hard to maintain a rational stance in the face of pure mathmatics.
"Zealot" is one of those really interesting words. There is, of course, a standard dictionary term for the word. However, it does nothing to address the emotional charge behind the word. And it doesn't address how indivudals sometimes play fast and loose with that definition.
I like to think I am not a "Linux Zealot". I am an enthusiast - I choose Linux solutions over Microsoft whenever possible. I distrust Microsoft personally and professionally. But I am more than willing to accept other solutions (I do enjoy Solaris, FreeBSD, and find OS X interesting). I will accept valid criticism of Linux - and there are more than a few points worthy of a critical eye. And I do still run Windows (and Microsoft software) when the situation dictates it.
Some would still label me as "zealot". Which is fine, because although its not as much a catch phrase as "Linux Zealot"... there are Microsoft Zealots too. And they're becoming more common in this forum.
Slashdot's bias against MS is one of the reasons I began frequenting this site. In many ways, it was a reaction to the blatent possitive MS spin that was evident in most tech publications (and still is even though its become more popular to be critical of Microsoft).
Granted - it gets out of hand. Microsoft sometimes gets bashed when theres no reason to. Which is silly. MS offers more than enough reasons otherwise... despite what the Microsoft Zealots claim.
Of course - that's not to say it can't happen to Linux in the future. Some changes that would have to take place would include:
1) An increase in un-administered machines (which is possible as more Linux machines go in to service and are promptly forgotten about or appropriate support stuff aren't also put in place).
2) More distributions installing services by default without user knowledge (which most distros seem fairly resistant to doing - but not all).
3) Patches that become as devistating as the security threat they attempt to mitigate (I've yet to see this and would think that any organization that constantly produced dangerous patches / replacement packages would find their user base fleeing to another distribution).
Don't get me wrong - Proxomitron looks like a really cool piece of software. And yea, Windows users probably need this kind of thing even more considering the silliness going on in their environment. But for the most part, this just isn't for me. I believe Slashdot itself has a statistics page (forget where it is) that breaks down browser identifications that hit the site - and the vast majority is, in fact, IE. It makes sense - Windows is going to be in most environments no matter what your personal preference is.
I personally prefer Linux. I run it on my desktop and my laptop. But I do still run Windows when needed (dual boot or vmware). And I work with Windows when customers need it. Of course, at the same time, I've been able to sell Linux solutions more and more often when Linux makes sense. Granted - I've yet to run in to a good oportunity to sell it as a desktop solution for a customer (although a lot of them find it interesting to see it on my laptop).
...sees all, filters all... if you're running Windows. But hey, Windows users need good filtering too. =)
Obviously words like "semi-historical" and "fictionalized" escape you.
I'm inclined to think that it does... and you are one of them. ;)
Well. Let me rephrase that a bit. It takes a different kind of person to look at a game, imagine changing things... and then doing it and producing a playable game.
AND privoxy does a pretty decent job at filtering Flash ads. I don't mind ads in general... in fact, I've been slowly easing up privoxy's default config to allow for more ad banners. But I do hate Flash, user tracking, stupid java tricks, blinking ad banners... and other such marketing shennanigans.
First, in this post, Dr_LHA made an interesting observation about the computer industry. Back in those days, the home computer was still commonly an early adopter / computer hobbiest's device. Construction Set software would have appealed to that type. Just as it would appeal to someone who reaches for the Construction Set instead of the pre-made adventure game (or buys both!).
But then... while you can find the latest installment of Final Fantasy on the shelf, where's the newest Adventure Construction Kit? That's the question.
Of course - people have already pointed out Neverwinter Nights. Its not Adventure Construction Set, no. But it does play on the same concept. It appeals to someone who would have reached for both Ultima and ACS. And its the first attempt to apply the amazing series of events set in motion by Quake to the graphical MUD environment (look out UO and Everquest - and yes MUD Purists, I know how much more advanced so many text MUDs are to UO and Everquest).
I've never worked on or tweaked a mod so my impressions may be far from the truth. However, I was under the impression that creating a mod took a certain degree of coding talent (without getting in to exactly what degree of talent was displayed by your favorite / most despised mod). If creating a mod is much easier than basic (or not-so-basic) coding, then I would find it easier to accept the argument that the mod scene sits in the same category as the old Construction Set series.
Of course, I maintain that given time... really cool stuff will start to surface. If the EULA hasn't stifled people's creativity and willingness to develop in that environment.