What's important is to not look at only the immediate effects, but also the total effects.
If you feel your liberty is being violated by being conscripted for jury 'duty' you might stay home.
If that happens you'll have a warrant put out for your arrest. If you feel that arrest would also violate your liberty, you might resist that arrest, perhaps with force in self-defense. If you're successful in doing so, you'll either immediately or eventually be shot, likely fatally, having your life taken as well as your liberty.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." - Thomas Jefferson
"Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master." -George Washington
It's possible to have an effective society without the violent conscription of individuals onto juries. We should do that.
I think you're talking about surgical residents there, not med students.
Yeah, I was thinking of residents on an ER rotation, for instance. I realize they pass out the papers after year 4, but it's all part of 'the schooling you have to do to be a doctor'.
They're way more open to criticism than many of the "real" scientists I've known.
A consensus of Death Ray episodes agrees that Archimedes's Death Ray leads to substantial heating, but not ignition (solar thermal generation plants, not withstanding).
I'm curious - I often turn down the heat and put on a sweater over my shirt. If I were in the house nude all the time I'd want it to be 76 degrees. Would this be expected as well in an office environment, or are naturists simply tougher than I am?
If you *din't* dream it up - then it's pretty cool. If you *did* - you should go patent it.
Well, if I did, thanks, though this comment thread can stand as prior art.:) I'm a big fan of Mercedes releasing its airbag technology into the public domain, so this would be similar.
Then consider the politics: the only way you'd make this fly would be with a global treaty requiring it
Not really. Consider that California makes some silly requirement for a car, and all 50 US states, and sometimes Canada, wind up receiving cars designed like that.
If, say, the US required this for all containers coming into its ports, that might create a new worldwide standard (as the costs of tracking non-compliant containers would become a factor).
And in this case, the costs would be passed along to all those who purchase the products, but disproportionately those wealthy individuals (the yacht owners) would benefit.
Some other tablet vendor will soon hit Apple's prices and the usability will be good enough, but the flexibility will close the deal. Apple's walled garden necessarily has a fixed size.
Make poor economic analyses of relative export labor markets? Surely with all the people in India there must be plenty of those available.
Perhaps you need to be more specific. If you produce and market Missouri clay tile, then I'd have to agree, no Indian in India can do that.
Or perhaps you have some experience with random Indians who work for a cut-rate programming shop, where an American company with an uninteresting problem can come and get generic programming labor, with an always-available supply. Hint: these aren't where the best Indians work anymore than you'd find the best Americans working for a similar outfit.
Naturists do what they do because they don't want to wear clothes, or because they think social hangups about covering up specific body parts are silly.
Modesty may be silly, but putting coverings on body parts that leak inside stuff isn't a bad idea, especially where resources are common. I don't want to sit on a conference room chair that's had naked people on it any more than I want to use somebody else's unwashed silverware in the lunchroom.
I do hope this company has bidets installed in the washroom.
Are the automatic sinking valves out there yet? I thought I read about 10 years ago about a gizmo that would be installed into a container that would have a couple radios in it. One would sense the ship's radio (or that it's been removed from the ship and not disabled). In that case, the second radio would be a transmitter beacon, to help locate the missing cargo container if it's fallen off a ship (and has sufficiently valuable contents). It would also be detectable by other ocean vessels. When the battery was about to run out on the transmitter beacon, the last thing it would do would be to blow a valve, causing the container to sink.
The additional logistics would consist of checking in and out a container when it was put on a ship, electronically registering it to the ship - not terribly hard to implement or integrate. Countries could require these valves for entry at their ports.
Yes, even raw data from a pair of F-16 viewscreens. The quality is so bad that you can't really make any reasonable inferences from it
What do you mean? If you don't know how to read an F-16 viewscreen? Why do you think the quality is bad?
And, ahem, the celebrities you refer to were not likely eyewitnesses: they didn't see the UFOs first hand. They only saw the evidence.
Not at all. Ronald Reagan spoke of his airplane being shadowed by a non-airplane craft for 40 minutes from Sacramento to Los Angeles (while he was governor). He says he and the entirety of the passengers watched it the whole time from the airplane windows.
George C. Marshall (General, then Sec. State, developer of the Marshall Plan, Nobel Peace Prize winner) was tasked (before the war) with leading the recovery of a crashed vehicle in California. He wrote a top-secret memo to FDR (since de-classified) that the craft was not of any known earthly technology and presumably of interplanetary origin. FDR charged the Taskforce he created with exploiting and sharing the technology after the War was over.
This isn't a case of "these people are famous so I'll believe their interpretation of data." It's "these people have a very high level of credibility, and nothing to gain, and perhaps much to lose by their testimony." Although, I suppose that has more bearing on Reagan than Marshall, as Marshall's memo was classified so he had little personal risk. Yes, it's possible he made the whole thing up. And it's possible the released memos are part of an elaborate rouse on the part of the US government. But, to what end?
Maybe this doesn't apply to you specifically, but hearing "natural family planning" irritates me to no end.
It's highly inconsistent too. The 'rhythm method' produces millions of spontaneous abortions every year (the fertilized egg gets to the uterine lining too late, right before it sheds). Condoms, none, unless they fail.
If Catholics truly believe that life begins at conception, they should be using condoms, not the rhythm method. I'm not sure if it's an inability to reason, or tradition mixed with hypocrisy.
when we have autonomous decision making mechanisms engaging enemies, then we can talk about robotic warfare
This isn't the important metric. Remotely operated drones, when they're good enough to replace soldiers, is the real inflection point.
Either we give up war entirely before then (here's hoping) or the bar for going to war gets dramatically lowered. If we can send a robot ship to a foreign land and deploy robot troops onto the ground, then we can take over any country without risking 'our' boys' lives. When there are none of our lives at risk, the political blowback is much smaller (see also the wars fought from 15,000 feet).
Besides the political costs, the economic costs are also lowered significantly. The logistics get much easier - no housing, no food (just robotic refueling drones), no body armor, no hospitals. No raising a boy for 18 years in Iowa, putting him through school, leading him through Boy Scouts and the varsity basketball team, teaching him chemistry and Shakespeare, just to get a bullet in the head when he's 19. And then perhaps paying for his medical care for the next 60 years.
It's such a massive risk that I'd even be willing to advocate a complete halt to all DARPA research until we can stop running our Federal government like WWII was still being fought. And, yeah, I realize these same drones can go into burning buildings and earthquake collapses to pull out survivors.
Yes, I understand what you're saying - that you need to have hard results to entertain beginning the study. This isn't how science works.
My original argument was that it's worth investigating. I point out your logic errors and you get all flustered. You say that I'm making claims, when I've done no such thing, I've pointed out anomalies that pique my curiosity.
Well, that's not entirely true, I did make a claim - that the Beligan Army released hard sensor data from two separate F-16's that tracked craft that are faster and more maneuverable than anything humans know how to build, and this was almost 25 years ago. But I mentioned that already and you had no response. Too inconvenient a data set? Is this what launched you into the ad hominens? I realize that cognitive dissonance is a hard thing to overcome.
Was it a secret US government project that we can't know about? Perhaps - that certainly makes it even harder to draw conclusions. If you know that the Belgian F-16 data has already been explained away by pedestrian causes, please post, I couldn't find anything like that. But 22-ish years later, there are no signs of secret projects that have come to light that would explain the data.
I realize that it's a hard subject to approach; we have declassified government files saying that there are extraterrestrial craft that have crashed and that the government is covering them up. Are those just an elaborate con by the government? Could be, I guess - all I've claimed is that it's worth examining, and that is how science works - small bits of anomalous data are noticed, hypothesis are proposed, and the problem is researched until a conclusion can be drawn that fits and predicts the data. In that order.
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very few people mod ACs - why bother, it won't alter their karma
Uhhh, stroking another Slashdotter's karma isn't the point of moderation.
That was the date of the birth announcement.
What's important is to not look at only the immediate effects, but also the total effects.
If you feel your liberty is being violated by being conscripted for jury 'duty' you might stay home.
If that happens you'll have a warrant put out for your arrest. If you feel that arrest would also violate your liberty, you might resist that arrest, perhaps with force in self-defense. If you're successful in doing so, you'll either immediately or eventually be shot, likely fatally, having your life taken as well as your liberty.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." - Thomas Jefferson
"Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master." -George Washington
It's possible to have an effective society without the violent conscription of individuals onto juries. We should do that.
No, it's not.
Strong logic there. It's forced labor, under threat of caging or death.
Your turn.
Cool, thanks!
youporn.com would disagree with you there. They're even advertising that HTML5 video works over AirPlay.
Ah, I didn't realize that there were any jumping on the HTML5 bandwagon. Good news for all (except perhaps Adobe).
I think you're talking about surgical residents there, not med students.
Yeah, I was thinking of residents on an ER rotation, for instance. I realize they pass out the papers after year 4, but it's all part of 'the schooling you have to do to be a doctor'.
Yeah, I'd like to watch all of the MythBusters episodes, but I'm reluctant to invest 40 minutes to learn 12 minutes' worth of information.
What's Adam's uid here anyway?
He had Obama on his show in the Fall. Think that campaign PR was free?
They're way more open to criticism than many of the "real" scientists I've known.
A consensus of Death Ray episodes agrees that Archimedes's Death Ray leads to substantial heating, but not ignition (solar thermal generation plants, not withstanding).
Jury duty is a form of conscription (aka slavery). He's just kicking it up a notch.
... Jesus Christ hacked Christianity out of Judaism.
I though it was more of a merge of Judaism and Buddhism, with some questionable conflict resolution choices.
Trouble is, there's never a The Truth v2.
Also, when it gets cold, they put on a sweater.
I'm curious - I often turn down the heat and put on a sweater over my shirt. If I were in the house nude all the time I'd want it to be 76 degrees. Would this be expected as well in an office environment, or are naturists simply tougher than I am?
If you *din't* dream it up - then it's pretty cool. If you *did* - you should go patent it.
Well, if I did, thanks, though this comment thread can stand as prior art. :) I'm a big fan of Mercedes releasing its airbag technology into the public domain, so this would be similar.
Then consider the politics: the only way you'd make this fly would be with a global treaty requiring it
Not really. Consider that California makes some silly requirement for a car, and all 50 US states, and sometimes Canada, wind up receiving cars designed like that.
If, say, the US required this for all containers coming into its ports, that might create a new worldwide standard (as the costs of tracking non-compliant containers would become a factor).
And in this case, the costs would be passed along to all those who purchase the products, but disproportionately those wealthy individuals (the yacht owners) would benefit.
Seriously, nobody gets hazed like med students do. They'll do surgery on 2 hours sleep.
Clearly that system needs to change, but they'd be lucky to have the problems that somebody who runs lab bench tests all day long does.
Some other tablet vendor will soon hit Apple's prices and the usability will be good enough, but the flexibility will close the deal. Apple's walled garden necessarily has a fixed size.
If you can find an Indian who does what I do
Make poor economic analyses of relative export labor markets? Surely with all the people in India there must be plenty of those available.
Perhaps you need to be more specific. If you produce and market Missouri clay tile, then I'd have to agree, no Indian in India can do that.
Or perhaps you have some experience with random Indians who work for a cut-rate programming shop, where an American company with an uninteresting problem can come and get generic programming labor, with an always-available supply. Hint: these aren't where the best Indians work anymore than you'd find the best Americans working for a similar outfit.
I run an architecture firm entirely on Linux.
Say, how do you deal with the municipalities that insist on having drawings submitted as AutoCAD files?
Naturists do what they do because they don't want to wear clothes, or because they think social hangups about covering up specific body parts are silly.
Modesty may be silly, but putting coverings on body parts that leak inside stuff isn't a bad idea, especially where resources are common. I don't want to sit on a conference room chair that's had naked people on it any more than I want to use somebody else's unwashed silverware in the lunchroom.
I do hope this company has bidets installed in the washroom.
Are the automatic sinking valves out there yet? I thought I read about 10 years ago about a gizmo that would be installed into a container that would have a couple radios in it. One would sense the ship's radio (or that it's been removed from the ship and not disabled). In that case, the second radio would be a transmitter beacon, to help locate the missing cargo container if it's fallen off a ship (and has sufficiently valuable contents). It would also be detectable by other ocean vessels. When the battery was about to run out on the transmitter beacon, the last thing it would do would be to blow a valve, causing the container to sink.
The additional logistics would consist of checking in and out a container when it was put on a ship, electronically registering it to the ship - not terribly hard to implement or integrate. Countries could require these valves for entry at their ports.
Or, did I just dream that one up?
Yes, even raw data from a pair of F-16 viewscreens. The quality is so bad that you can't really make any reasonable inferences from it
What do you mean? If you don't know how to read an F-16 viewscreen? Why do you think the quality is bad?
And, ahem, the celebrities you refer to were not likely eyewitnesses: they didn't see the UFOs first hand. They only saw the evidence.
Not at all. Ronald Reagan spoke of his airplane being shadowed by a non-airplane craft for 40 minutes from Sacramento to Los Angeles (while he was governor). He says he and the entirety of the passengers watched it the whole time from the airplane windows.
George C. Marshall (General, then Sec. State, developer of the Marshall Plan, Nobel Peace Prize winner) was tasked (before the war) with leading the recovery of a crashed vehicle in California. He wrote a top-secret memo to FDR (since de-classified) that the craft was not of any known earthly technology and presumably of interplanetary origin. FDR charged the Taskforce he created with exploiting and sharing the technology after the War was over.
This isn't a case of "these people are famous so I'll believe their interpretation of data." It's "these people have a very high level of credibility, and nothing to gain, and perhaps much to lose by their testimony." Although, I suppose that has more bearing on Reagan than Marshall, as Marshall's memo was classified so he had little personal risk. Yes, it's possible he made the whole thing up. And it's possible the released memos are part of an elaborate rouse on the part of the US government. But, to what end?
Maybe this doesn't apply to you specifically, but hearing "natural family planning" irritates me to no end.
It's highly inconsistent too. The 'rhythm method' produces millions of spontaneous abortions every year (the fertilized egg gets to the uterine lining too late, right before it sheds). Condoms, none, unless they fail.
If Catholics truly believe that life begins at conception, they should be using condoms, not the rhythm method. I'm not sure if it's an inability to reason, or tradition mixed with hypocrisy.
when we have autonomous decision making mechanisms engaging enemies, then we can talk about robotic warfare
This isn't the important metric. Remotely operated drones, when they're good enough to replace soldiers, is the real inflection point.
Either we give up war entirely before then (here's hoping) or the bar for going to war gets dramatically lowered. If we can send a robot ship to a foreign land and deploy robot troops onto the ground, then we can take over any country without risking 'our' boys' lives. When there are none of our lives at risk, the political blowback is much smaller (see also the wars fought from 15,000 feet).
Besides the political costs, the economic costs are also lowered significantly. The logistics get much easier - no housing, no food (just robotic refueling drones), no body armor, no hospitals. No raising a boy for 18 years in Iowa, putting him through school, leading him through Boy Scouts and the varsity basketball team, teaching him chemistry and Shakespeare, just to get a bullet in the head when he's 19. And then perhaps paying for his medical care for the next 60 years.
It's such a massive risk that I'd even be willing to advocate a complete halt to all DARPA research until we can stop running our Federal government like WWII was still being fought. And, yeah, I realize these same drones can go into burning buildings and earthquake collapses to pull out survivors.
Yes, I understand what you're saying - that you need to have hard results to entertain beginning the study. This isn't how science works.
My original argument was that it's worth investigating. I point out your logic errors and you get all flustered. You say that I'm making claims, when I've done no such thing, I've pointed out anomalies that pique my curiosity.
Well, that's not entirely true, I did make a claim - that the Beligan Army released hard sensor data from two separate F-16's that tracked craft that are faster and more maneuverable than anything humans know how to build, and this was almost 25 years ago. But I mentioned that already and you had no response. Too inconvenient a data set? Is this what launched you into the ad hominens? I realize that cognitive dissonance is a hard thing to overcome.
Was it a secret US government project that we can't know about? Perhaps - that certainly makes it even harder to draw conclusions. If you know that the Belgian F-16 data has already been explained away by pedestrian causes, please post, I couldn't find anything like that. But 22-ish years later, there are no signs of secret projects that have come to light that would explain the data.
I realize that it's a hard subject to approach; we have declassified government files saying that there are extraterrestrial craft that have crashed and that the government is covering them up. Are those just an elaborate con by the government? Could be, I guess - all I've claimed is that it's worth examining, and that is how science works - small bits of anomalous data are noticed, hypothesis are proposed, and the problem is researched until a conclusion can be drawn that fits and predicts the data. In that order.