"I know, it sounds naive at best (from a GPL point of view), that's why we can't understand each other." Naive isn't what I was thinking in first instance. My main point, hidden in a defense against the argument that BSD allows anyone to build better code on the basis of BSD code, is that if that is truly the only reason BSD-type licenses are better, BSD-licensed code writers shouldn't have any problem with GPL co-opting of their code because the original code is still there under a BSD license for everyone to use, just as would be the case if the code was co-opted under a closed source license! In both cases, the BSD-licensed code doesn't benefit from any 'contributions' made under the new license.
The argument that in the case of a closed source license, the authors could release the code to the community afterwards, unlike the GPL case, is naive and if that's BSD authors whole argument against GPL co-opting versus closed source licensing co-opting, I think that is hypocritical.
If you truly believe anyone should be able to benefit from your BSD-licensed code there shouldn't be angry or even sad faces when that happens, under any license.
For the record: if you bring me different arguments I will reconsider my point of view but otherwise you're probably right and you won't change anyones mind, at least not mine.
To you and the GP I answer: if that would be your goal, you wouldn't use a license that allows those 'using' your code to pervert it for their own purposes making it defacto abuse!
In other words: even if you give all your world class super-duper code, there will be companies that won't use that code to make their own code better but only to create a 'look-a-like', then extend the code with their own incompatible and all too oft bad additions, then release it as if it were superior to the original and locking the market in or polluting the brand of the original.
No need to hand your enemy the bullets for your own execution, and all that.
Does the scenario sound familiar...?
A wise man once said: "Trust everyone, but cut the cards."
You mean to say even Miguel thinks we shouldn't take him seriously on OOXML?
I feel so much better now that I can go back to loving my wife and 2.99 children again. (She was due seven days ago...)
If Miguel thinks we shouldn't be taking his opinion on OOXML seriously, he shouldn't be trying to defend his rather elaborate statements on the subject, especially here on/., or make comments on trying to implement OOXML instead of criticizing it. If he's taking it seriously and tries to convince others to take it seriously, his comments will be taken seriously and he should have counted on that.
The bigger question is, why are you being an apologist for what more and more seems to be apologist?
Or it could be they are unjustly generalizing, or they could be right, of course.
Are these people considering all descenting views to be "whining" on all subjects or just on this subject? Are the 'these people' knowledgable in the field?
In other words, are you yourself generalizing?
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As you can see from my posting history, I don't do this often (can't remember to have done it at all, come to think of it), but Mod Parent Up!
"Yep thats pretty much explains why BSD is the product of choice over Linux in many of the above cases. 15 years later BSD made it into mainstream products from large manufacturers (F5, OS/X and iPhone, etc) And the companies that try to abuse Linux (Tivo, Cisco) are treated as the enemy by GPLv3. Has GPL been like GPLv3 from the get go, would Tivo or Linksys ever consider using Linux or would those be BSD products?" There, fixed that for ya.
If only the biggest and prettiest people are mating, how do you explain, well, the American South, or England? England is easily explainable, as anyone who's ever seen 'Brits' on holiday can tell you: alcohol!
"So, any future contributions by Apple will go to the GPLv2 fork... and if Apple deletes any "...or later..." clause from "their" fork, the GPLv3 version won't even be able to cross-port their changes." And vice versa... In other words: the coders won't see their brainchild hijacked, Apple has to do all the work themselves instead of relying on the community.
And I'd mod both you, and the GP, (-1, Cynical) if I could.
Fortunately, I can't. I can tell you both that for the "answer people", the idea of having made the world a little better, can be enouhg of a reward in itself. You could, of course, call it a waste of time or other resources, but there are far sillier hobbies than this. Besides, you're already participating in the fray just by replying and modding here at/.
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"(This has got to be the silliest thread I have ever seen on Slashdot!)" by complete loony (663508)
"You must be new here." Usually that remark is reserved for people with a UID smaller than the parent-UID...:D
I'm sorry I'm so late in replying. I completely agree with your idea that migraine has to do with a disturbed equilibrium in the brain, perhaps in the neurotransmitter levels. That's part of the 'unknown mechanisms' I was talking about. You're also right about the uncertainty of the blood vessels being cause or effect, that's the 'poorly understood mechanisms' that I spoke of.
I wish I had a deeper understanding of the bio-chemistry involved, like you seem to have. It's a very interesting field of science and one that I'm directly affected by.
I'm hoping it won't take deep genetic research to find out what is causing the sensitivity for this disturbed balance, though, because that'll be quite a while. Perhaps some medical researcher will get a blinding flash of insight one day. One can hope.
To add insult to injury, when the status of this 'RFE' only very recently changed (January 16th 2007), IT WAS TARGETED FOR THE NEXT RELEASE. In other words it'll be another 18 months.
And the first person who tells me I should use a 32-bit browser anyway, I'm going to strangle with Java-code.
Excuse me for losing my cool there, I've been waiting for it to magically apear in every point release of V5 and then in Java 6. Even if this is 'non-trivial', Sun should get their collective heads out of their assess and just do it. There's no telling how many people and projects are being held up by this.
If you have a few minutes, please get an account at SDN and vote for this particular RFE. I'd like the vote to go up to about a thousand at least. Perhaps that'll get them out of snooze-mode.:/
"...and the Sony Ericsson T616 was by far the worst phone I have ever used." I'm not going to argue with that, mostly since I've never owned a SE phone and won't buy one, as part of my boycott.
SE phones are, however, currently quite popular and I'm not arrogant enough to disagree with a large number of obviously satisfied customers. I do think that this is more a result of the symbiosis between Ericsson en Sony than of Sony's doing, though.
Anyway, you can boycott Sony for any reason you like, as long as you do;).
First of all, let me express my sympathy. I too have suffered from migraines and occaisionally still do. I also used preventatitive medication and had all sorts of nasty side-effects. When I used propanolol, an old-school blood-pressure medication from the 'beta-blocker' category, I had the same side-effects as you did, and then some.
The blood-pressure medication I'm currently on, micardis (telmisartan), is of a completely different class: the angiotensine2-antagonists. Yes there are side-effects but I find them quite tolerable compared to the frequent severe migraines I had. Ymmv.
On the Imitrex I can say that I have found 'triptans', the category of medication Imitrex is in, to work quite well for me. Not everyone has had the same experience but I've never before heard someone describe the medication making an attack more severe. If you haven't, recently, perhaps you could consult a neurologist and try some of the newer variants in its class? Depending on where you live, you could also try to get some marinol or the more naturally occuring variants. In the latter case I would advise getting a vaporiser or using it as a tea. In doesn't take the pain away but it curbs nausea and allows you to cope far easier with the pain.
Other than that, I can only hope for the both of us that medical science will find out what is really happening and perhaps tackle the chain of events that lead to attacks at a much lower level.
Others have already responded to the wholly unscientific nature of the literature you reference so I'll stick to the facts and logic here: the fact that a therapy used to work and is becoming less effective do not mean the underlying mechanism is not at work. The underlying mechanism has, in my opinion, been proven through scientific means and methods. The fact that perhaps agravating factors are at play does not matter in this respect. Point in case: the fact that bacteria become resistant to anti-biotics doesn't mean that the way the anti-biotics work is now suddenly invalidated.
Next you jump to hypertension, something that I did not address at first. What I addressed, is the observation that many people who use hypertension medication also see a marked drop in frequence of their migraine attacks. This has nothing to do with the effectiveness of hypertension medication for its original intended purpose. I'm also not addressing the fact that Big Farma is reaping the benefit of 'recycling' existing medication for new purposes, nor the fact that Big Farma is profit-driven and not health-benefit driven. None of it matters to this subject.
I agree with you that people can do a lot more for their own health by actively changing their pattern of living. That doesn't mean that scientific research isn't needed or even useless. It is one of the few means the human race has to 'get ahead in the world'. It also doesn't mean that the research isn't necesary for the good of sick people. Even if bad health is largely preventable, there will always be sick people who need medication.
As I think our points of view on this matter are very incompatible and as I'm not inclined to move in your direction, I'll consider this the end of our exchange of views on the subject.
It is very well known that there isn't a single 'cause' for migraines. What remains uncertain is what mechanism is causing the migraines. We already know that there are a multitude of triggers for migraine. What isn't understood is the how these triggers then all cause the arteries in the head to do something very painful, as well as cause neurological and systemic effects.
For your information, caffeïne withdrawal isn't considered migraine, as isn't a hangover. All three are considered 'vascular type head-aches', though. Changes in caffeïne intake (both up and down) can, however, cause migraines in people who are already prone to have migraines. The difference in symptomps is negligable, though.
(You seem to have been influenced by this: http://www.batnet.com/spencer/theory.html article but it isn't scientific in setup and says so right of the bat, pun intended.:) As the article states, there is no scientific study to differentiate the types more precisely so I'll have to go on experience on this one.)
To me, it seems ever more likely that there is a underlying vascular disorder. More specifically and completely unscientifically, I suspect there is a problem in how neurotransmitters interact with vascular linings.
Anyway, I'm also very interested in the 'hole in the heart' idea that is being kicked around and as soon as there have been more trials I'll be sure to look in to it. For now, bloodpressure medication has all but eliminated my migraines so I have time.
Fortunately (for me) I was referring to the part where the discovery of a bacterium as a cause, was a radical new insight that met loads of scepticism in the scientific an medical community. As it turns out, it did change a lot in the treatment of ulcers. The fact that treatment now is becoming more and more ineffective does nothing to diminish the discovery that a whole new mechanism is the main cause for Gastric Ulcers!
The rest of your rant may or may not be accurate but nothing you say takes away from the fact that this research might mean a lot to the field. I want to see this new research carried forward until it is either proven or disproven and consequences are taken.
I'm already doing this as much as I can. It's surprisingly difficult, though. You have to keep an eye out all the time to prevent one from buying stuff from one of the many Sony subsidiaries: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Sony_subsidi aries.
Good luck to you on your 'quest'. Sony hasn't made anything half-decent in a long time and if they have a competitive product in a certain market (*cough*mobile phones*cough*) they're either making it with another company and/or in a field with incompetent competitors.
Now to convince Joe Consumer that the glory days of Sony are long gone.;)
And so the 'blame' for the lack of revenue will be moved from 'the Internet' to ePaper. The only reason people still buy hard-copies is because screens are still woefully inadequate to read large amounts of text comfortably. Once that hurdle is gone, hard-copies will disappear like snow in the sun.
I'm hoping it'll be sooner, rather than later. Anything to help against deforrestation is a plus in my book, for content-publishers, however, it must be their worst nightmare...
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The argument that in the case of a closed source license, the authors could release the code to the community afterwards, unlike the GPL case, is naive and if that's BSD authors whole argument against GPL co-opting versus closed source licensing co-opting, I think that is hypocritical.
If you truly believe anyone should be able to benefit from your BSD-licensed code there shouldn't be angry or even sad faces when that happens, under any license.
For the record: if you bring me different arguments I will reconsider my point of view but otherwise you're probably right and you won't change anyones mind, at least not mine.
To you and the GP I answer: if that would be your goal, you wouldn't use a license that allows those 'using' your code to pervert it for their own purposes making it defacto abuse!
In other words: even if you give all your world class super-duper code, there will be companies that won't use that code to make their own code better but only to create a 'look-a-like', then extend the code with their own incompatible and all too oft bad additions, then release it as if it were superior to the original and locking the market in or polluting the brand of the original.
No need to hand your enemy the bullets for your own execution, and all that.
Does the scenario sound familiar...?
A wise man once said: "Trust everyone, but cut the cards."
You mean to say even Miguel thinks we shouldn't take him seriously on OOXML?
/., or make comments on trying to implement OOXML instead of criticizing it. If he's taking it seriously and tries to convince others to take it seriously, his comments will be taken seriously and he should have counted on that.
I feel so much better now that I can go back to loving my wife and 2.99 children again. (She was due seven days ago...)
If Miguel thinks we shouldn't be taking his opinion on OOXML seriously, he shouldn't be trying to defend his rather elaborate statements on the subject, especially here on
The bigger question is, why are you being an apologist for what more and more seems to be apologist?
Miguel,
I'm not trolling when I ask you: have you read the OOXML proposal or parts of it?
If you have, do you believe the content is a standard? in the light of the comments from various organizations?
If you have not read the OOXML proposal, on who's authority do you base your positive comments?
(Although, I'm betting she would absolutely love the job of helping send spammers to jail...)
Or it could be they are unjustly generalizing, or they could be right, of course.
Are these people considering all descenting views to be "whining" on all subjects or just on this subject? Are the 'these people' knowledgable in the field?
In other words, are you yourself generalizing?
As you can see from my posting history, I don't do this often (can't remember to have done it at all, come to think of it), but Mod Parent Up!
(It's funny, laugh, dammit!
A proud day indeed!
And I'd mod both you, and the GP, (-1, Cynical) if I could.
/.
:)
Fortunately, I can't. I can tell you both that for the "answer people", the idea of having made the world a little better, can be enouhg of a reward in itself. You could, of course, call it a waste of time or other resources, but there are far sillier hobbies than this. Besides, you're already participating in the fray just by replying and modding here at
Joke's on you, both.
All meant in good fun, so I hope you had some!
/. so there you have it.
Oh, I don't think 'seniority' means much here on
Bye!
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I'm sorry I'm so late in replying. I completely agree with your idea that migraine has to do with a disturbed equilibrium in the brain, perhaps in the neurotransmitter levels. That's part of the 'unknown mechanisms' I was talking about. You're also right about the uncertainty of the blood vessels being cause or effect, that's the 'poorly understood mechanisms' that I spoke of.
I wish I had a deeper understanding of the bio-chemistry involved, like you seem to have. It's a very interesting field of science and one that I'm directly affected by.
I'm hoping it won't take deep genetic research to find out what is causing the sensitivity for this disturbed balance, though, because that'll be quite a while. Perhaps some medical researcher will get a blinding flash of insight one day. One can hope.
Lets get the facts right, here. It's not a bug-report, it's an RFE, a Request for Enhancement.
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AND IT'S BLOODY FOUR YEARS OLD!!!
See for your self: http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_i
To add insult to injury, when the status of this 'RFE' only very recently changed (January 16th 2007), IT WAS TARGETED FOR THE NEXT RELEASE. In other words it'll be another 18 months.
And the first person who tells me I should use a 32-bit browser anyway, I'm going to strangle with Java-code.
Excuse me for losing my cool there, I've been waiting for it to magically apear in every point release of V5 and then in Java 6. Even if this is 'non-trivial', Sun should get their collective heads out of their assess and just do it. There's no telling how many people and projects are being held up by this.
If you have a few minutes, please get an account at SDN and vote for this particular RFE. I'd like the vote to go up to about a thousand at least. Perhaps that'll get them out of snooze-mode.
It would allow you to run away from the person with the box-cutter. Now please go sell your apples and oranges elsewhere.
SE phones are, however, currently quite popular and I'm not arrogant enough to disagree with a large number of obviously satisfied customers. I do think that this is more a result of the symbiosis between Ericsson en Sony than of Sony's doing, though.
Anyway, you can boycott Sony for any reason you like, as long as you do
First of all, let me express my sympathy. I too have suffered from migraines and occaisionally still do. I also used preventatitive medication and had all sorts of nasty side-effects. When I used propanolol, an old-school blood-pressure medication from the 'beta-blocker' category, I had the same side-effects as you did, and then some.
The blood-pressure medication I'm currently on, micardis (telmisartan), is of a completely different class: the angiotensine2-antagonists. Yes there are side-effects but I find them quite tolerable compared to the frequent severe migraines I had. Ymmv.
On the Imitrex I can say that I have found 'triptans', the category of medication Imitrex is in, to work quite well for me. Not everyone has had the same experience but I've never before heard someone describe the medication making an attack more severe. If you haven't, recently, perhaps you could consult a neurologist and try some of the newer variants in its class? Depending on where you live, you could also try to get some marinol or the more naturally occuring variants. In the latter case I would advise getting a vaporiser or using it as a tea. In doesn't take the pain away but it curbs nausea and allows you to cope far easier with the pain.
Other than that, I can only hope for the both of us that medical science will find out what is really happening and perhaps tackle the chain of events that lead to attacks at a much lower level.
Others have already responded to the wholly unscientific nature of the literature you reference so I'll stick to the facts and logic here: the fact that a therapy used to work and is becoming less effective do not mean the underlying mechanism is not at work. The underlying mechanism has, in my opinion, been proven through scientific means and methods. The fact that perhaps agravating factors are at play does not matter in this respect. Point in case: the fact that bacteria become resistant to anti-biotics doesn't mean that the way the anti-biotics work is now suddenly invalidated.
Next you jump to hypertension, something that I did not address at first. What I addressed, is the observation that many people who use hypertension medication also see a marked drop in frequence of their migraine attacks. This has nothing to do with the effectiveness of hypertension medication for its original intended purpose. I'm also not addressing the fact that Big Farma is reaping the benefit of 'recycling' existing medication for new purposes, nor the fact that Big Farma is profit-driven and not health-benefit driven. None of it matters to this subject.
I agree with you that people can do a lot more for their own health by actively changing their pattern of living. That doesn't mean that scientific research isn't needed or even useless. It is one of the few means the human race has to 'get ahead in the world'. It also doesn't mean that the research isn't necesary for the good of sick people. Even if bad health is largely preventable, there will always be sick people who need medication.
As I think our points of view on this matter are very incompatible and as I'm not inclined to move in your direction, I'll consider this the end of our exchange of views on the subject.
It is very well known that there isn't a single 'cause' for migraines. What remains uncertain is what mechanism is causing the migraines. We already know that there are a multitude of triggers for migraine. What isn't understood is the how these triggers then all cause the arteries in the head to do something very painful, as well as cause neurological and systemic effects.
:) As the article states, there is no scientific study to differentiate the types more precisely so I'll have to go on experience on this one.)
For your information, caffeïne withdrawal isn't considered migraine, as isn't a hangover. All three are considered 'vascular type head-aches', though. Changes in caffeïne intake (both up and down) can, however, cause migraines in people who are already prone to have migraines. The difference in symptomps is negligable, though.
(You seem to have been influenced by this: http://www.batnet.com/spencer/theory.html article but it isn't scientific in setup and says so right of the bat, pun intended.
To me, it seems ever more likely that there is a underlying vascular disorder. More specifically and completely unscientifically, I suspect there is a problem in how neurotransmitters interact with vascular linings.
Anyway, I'm also very interested in the 'hole in the heart' idea that is being kicked around and as soon as there have been more trials I'll be sure to look in to it. For now, bloodpressure medication has all but eliminated my migraines so I have time.
Fortunately (for me) I was referring to the part where the discovery of a bacterium as a cause, was a radical new insight that met loads of scepticism in the scientific an medical community. As it turns out, it did change a lot in the treatment of ulcers. The fact that treatment now is becoming more and more ineffective does nothing to diminish the discovery that a whole new mechanism is the main cause for Gastric Ulcers!
The rest of your rant may or may not be accurate but nothing you say takes away from the fact that this research might mean a lot to the field. I want to see this new research carried forward until it is either proven or disproven and consequences are taken.
I'm already doing this as much as I can. It's surprisingly difficult, though. You have to keep an eye out all the time to prevent one from buying stuff from one of the many Sony subsidiaries: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Sony_subsidi aries.
;)
Good luck to you on your 'quest'. Sony hasn't made anything half-decent in a long time and if they have a competitive product in a certain market (*cough*mobile phones*cough*) they're either making it with another company and/or in a field with incompetent competitors.
Now to convince Joe Consumer that the glory days of Sony are long gone.
And so the 'blame' for the lack of revenue will be moved from 'the Internet' to ePaper. The only reason people still buy hard-copies is because screens are still woefully inadequate to read large amounts of text comfortably. Once that hurdle is gone, hard-copies will disappear like snow in the sun.
I'm hoping it'll be sooner, rather than later. Anything to help against deforrestation is a plus in my book, for content-publishers, however, it must be their worst nightmare...