The fish will pay!
Because climate change is a hoax...
By the chinese.
Uh, but seriously, he says whatever it takes to distract. He actually says one thing and then appoints a a team of climate change deniers to the most key positions of his cabinet.
And all of this might just be intended to distract the public from his conflicts of interest.
Just my anecdotal experiences of diving 10 times, reefs were always more grey than historical pictures of the area. I try to consider myself logical, but I've always had an unfulfilled feeling when diving, and then unnerved when I see this kind of evidence of the cause. Diving is like being let in as a guest to a powerfully beautiful host called nature. It feels like my co-partiers are tearing up the place, and it doesn't feel good. I hope that enough people go diving and experience this.
Yes. He uses the classic authoritarian big lie technique.
Remember Obama's peace award from Nobel?
First black person elected in a country with so much history of racism? Yes. Please don't come back pretending that racism doesn't exist. As someone who travels and knows people overseas, Obama has also turned around the world standing of the US. We were hated for starting a horribly-unnecessary war. We lost a lot of soft power, and Obama restored a lot of it. Yes, he deserved an award for what his candidacy represented (and delivered, even if that's arguable to you).
Remember those posters of hope?
Just skip reading this one because it's who the hell cares, it's meaningless: I'm sorry, but there is nothing wrong with hope itself. If you don't follow with action, then that's a problem. But don't just blast hope.
We got:
more drones
In place of American soldiers coming back in body bags. Yes, I'm very happy with the *scaling back* of war, I want it to continue (until it's gone? Idk about that).
more invasion of privacy
Idk about that. The patriot act was a republican thing. I think Obama did scale it back. I'm sure you'll disagree, but whoever's right, I also wished he scaled it back more. But do you really think a Republican will scale it back more? Come back with evidence of Trump's handiwork and I'll believe it.
The most readily available data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics...for African-Americans it was 31.8 percent.
Sanders used 51%, but he backed up his higher number. He didn't describe it perfectly, but it was based on an apparently legitimate study (in this case, admittedly done by a left-of-center institute), and what he did and said was mostly true:
Sanders’ camp pointed us to research by the Economic Policy Institute...It’s a real statistic, but Sanders didn’t really describe it the correct way.... "real unemployment rate," a vague term that doesn’t have any official definition at BLS and wasn’t mentioned in the EPI research he was quoting...
Trump's camp couldn't (didn't want to??) come up with their source. For all we know, they just made up the number, which was different than the most widely used & respected number, and even higher than Sanders'.
So where did Trump come up with the eye-popping 59 percent? We can’t say with certainty, because Trump’s campaign, as usual, didn’t respond to our question.
"In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally," Trump wrote on Twitter. There is no evidence to support Trump's claim and PolitiFact ruled it false.
Even if they did transfer the budget, which they won't, wouldn't that still be a blow to the research? Basically shutting down one functioning large group of people, contractors, companies, equipment, buildings, administration, systems, then bring another one up from scratch? I imagine the cost to be huge, what is it?
They're doing exactly what they said they feared Trump supporters would do if he lost
They're doing nothing at all like what Trump[supporters] did before the results were even known. First of all, Trump himself claimed the election was rigged before any evidence at all surfaced. Then, his supporters claimed there has already been mass election fraud without any evidence. This was well beyond what any candidate or party has done before. No surprise the results of this were a lot of voterintimidation (funny). Note this is the first election since the Voting Rights Act has been curtailed.
My point is that one side has already gone well, well beyond the norm when it comes to claiming an election is rigged. I'm quite positive they would've done more than mostly peaceful rallies if they had lost. Now, the dems have this study, and are simply asking for more investigation. So tone down the outrage.
Bah, here's the link I meant to use, but you don't need links to get the idea: a lot of the right wants Snowden's head on a platter. http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfro...
You can find plenty of people on the right that would say Obama should have gone after Snowden more aggressively. I think Obama always looked at the people and arguments of a situation, found the middle of the road, and then sided on what he thought was the right thing to do. In this case, letting the law speak for itself and not interferring looks like an easy decision to me, because it keeps a stance against treason, yet allows the perpetrator of the biggest most important state secret leak in modern history, to not be incarcerated (or tortured, etc as some crazies seem to want).
More like "Look at the results of scientific inquiry, it's right. If you don't agree, AND don't give data that refutes it, fuck you."
http://www.skepticalscience.co...
Yep. I do agree in the disdain for the wording. But given the surprise results of the election, I'd also say it just didn't seem to matter before. As a nerd who believes in science, I didn't believe that this EPA pick mattered much until I realized it was actually likely to happen. I mean, what are the odds he actually appoints Ebell? I'd say 70/30 at this point.
the real dilemma is, there are many ways the science could be wrong, but we trump that by saying, we cannot afford to wait. but i think that's a bad strategy, because the real issue is about risk.
This is like walking into the ocean, getting up to your head in high water, and then saying "no, I don't want to stop walking further out because there's risk if I stop." The people who want to act now usually want to reduce the pollution that we're releasing. Compared to the expensive and inhumane risks of climate change, there is little risk to simply slowing down the pollution.
Thanks for the condolences. For some good news, I just found out one state did something 11/8 that was not head-up-the-ass-murica stupid:
http://www.slate.com/articles/...
Based on past performance, the more slack we cut him, the more rope he has to hang everyone. So many business catastrophes, this one is the most interesting imo: http://www.esquire.com/news-po...
But the theme is usually same: media genius pumps up something until it pops. Not that the US can't do bubbles without his help, but I'm seeing yuge, really yuge ones. But anyway I'm hopeful the US will do really well for a while, then I'll sell.
> There's a man who rapes children and there's a woman who had people run a private mail server for her.
I agree that probably went too far, I'd say:
"There's a man who brags about sexual assault, waffled on the KKK, insults large groups of people he's trying to lead, takes unnecessary risks and losses often in business, uses charity donations to buy huge expensive murals of himself, breaks campaign precedent with secrecy over tax returns, and there's a woman who had people run a private mail server for her."
There's a straw donor program [cbsnews.com] that just got busted as well as a voter fraud ring in Indiana [nbcchicago.com].
Talk about straw. You're wording implies this voter fraud "ring" has been "busted", but the referenced article title even says it's an 'investigation' into voter registration fraud. Seems like a big difference between swaths of people trying to vote multiple times, and a pre-election group trying to get voters registered, and possibly individuals getting sloppy or even malicious. If the current argument is that voter fraud actually happens so infrequently that major changes to laws are too heavy-handed because it actually disenfranchises large groups of people, then this particular incident of possible voter registration fraud still doesn't have an effect on the big picture.
Completely Agree. Further, at a site where nerds discuss problems and solution, what can we do about this issue? What is the best place for us every day people to put money or time?
If Iraq was not a failed state, then isis would not have had room grow into. But more important, I remember how much the Iraq war was costing us, and how strained the military was people-wise. If no Iraq war, we would have had the troops and and political clout to do much more about the crisis in Syria as it worsened. I understand nothing is guaranteed, but the Iraq war has cost us over a trillion dollars, and thousands of American soldiers. We've made the quagmire mistake before, we knew it might turn into that, but we went in anyway, without much planning. Unforgivable.
Yup, there's the subpoena. But even before that (addressing parent now), I'd argue that the emails are more important from the Bush Administration. From the excellent Newsweek article: "when the Bush administration was ginning up support for what turned out to be a disastrous war in Iraq with false claims that the country possessed weapons of mass destruction (WMD), and, later, when it was firing U.S. attorneys for political reasons."
The Iraq war (II) and subsequent fighting is responsible for over 1 million deaths. 1 million deaths. I can't imagine how anyone can argue that it's not the most serious issue of the past 40+ years. Then there's the refugee crisis, al qaeda in Iraq (I don't care how they spell it), and the birth of isis, all stemming from this political decision.
If you have to talk politics, and sorry - this is a binary choice at the presidential level, you have to bring up the death of a *million* people. And then remember this email thing really came from a political witch hunt, costing tax payers millions of dollars. About a few broken laws and a handful of documents? If Hillary directly shot the 4 Benghazi victims herself, that would be comparable to less than an hour of American soldiers dying in the worst Iraq fighting. But she didn't. She was running a big organization and she (and more so others) made a mistake, for which she's examined and answered plenty already, and changes have been made to hopefully prevent the mistakes in the future.
Where's the Iraq War marathon hearings? How much did who profit from them?
tldr Your friends may not have experienced any really negative consequences, or possibly even known anyone that has.
I do agree with you, but I'll play devil's advocate a little. I've cleaned out malware from an older family member repeatedly. They eventually got their email hacked. They changed their password, and the problem was fixed. I explained that email could have been used to get into other accounts. So, they change the pw for their bank sites. But everything else just doesn't matter to them. And they never actually saw any other consequences. I've pleaded with them and made some headway on better practices, but it was such a battle because the consequences were so light, and the only time I've ever seen serious consequences from security issues was at work, but my work is IT. If our friends don't deal with IT, they just really seldom experience any serious problems. Identity stolen? 5 minute call to credit cards. I hear about worse outcomes, but I actually don't know anyone this has happened to.
Slashdot Mirror
The fish will pay!
Because climate change is a hoax...
By the chinese.
Uh, but seriously, he says whatever it takes to distract. He actually says one thing and then appoints a a team of climate change deniers to the most key positions of his cabinet.
And all of this might just be intended to distract the public from his conflicts of interest.
Just my anecdotal experiences of diving 10 times, reefs were always more grey than historical pictures of the area. I try to consider myself logical, but I've always had an unfulfilled feeling when diving, and then unnerved when I see this kind of evidence of the cause. Diving is like being let in as a guest to a powerfully beautiful host called nature. It feels like my co-partiers are tearing up the place, and it doesn't feel good. I hope that enough people go diving and experience this.
Far less truthful in politics than anyone else?
Yes. He uses the classic authoritarian big lie technique.
Remember Obama's peace award from Nobel? First black person elected in a country with so much history of racism? Yes. Please don't come back pretending that racism doesn't exist. As someone who travels and knows people overseas, Obama has also turned around the world standing of the US. We were hated for starting a horribly-unnecessary war. We lost a lot of soft power, and Obama restored a lot of it. Yes, he deserved an award for what his candidacy represented (and delivered, even if that's arguable to you).
Remember those posters of hope?
Just skip reading this one because it's who the hell cares, it's meaningless: I'm sorry, but there is nothing wrong with hope itself. If you don't follow with action, then that's a problem. But don't just blast hope.
We got: more drones
In place of American soldiers coming back in body bags. Yes, I'm very happy with the *scaling back* of war, I want it to continue (until it's gone? Idk about that).
more invasion of privacy
Idk about that. The patriot act was a republican thing. I think Obama did scale it back. I'm sure you'll disagree, but whoever's right, I also wished he scaled it back more. But do you really think a Republican will scale it back more? Come back with evidence of Trump's handiwork and I'll believe it.
more attacks on journalists
Are you kidding? Trump attacks journalists more than any politician I've ever seen.
more corruption in the DNC
That you know of. If the RNC were hacked, we could compare apples.
The most readily available data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics...for African-Americans it was 31.8 percent.
Sanders used 51%, but he backed up his higher number. He didn't describe it perfectly, but it was based on an apparently legitimate study (in this case, admittedly done by a left-of-center institute), and what he did and said was mostly true:
Sanders’ camp pointed us to research by the Economic Policy Institute...It’s a real statistic, but Sanders didn’t really describe it the correct way.... "real unemployment rate," a vague term that doesn’t have any official definition at BLS and wasn’t mentioned in the EPI research he was quoting...
Trump's camp couldn't (didn't want to??) come up with their source. For all we know, they just made up the number, which was different than the most widely used & respected number, and even higher than Sanders'.
So where did Trump come up with the eye-popping 59 percent? We can’t say with certainty, because Trump’s campaign, as usual, didn’t respond to our question.
"In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally," Trump wrote on Twitter. There is no evidence to support Trump's claim and PolitiFact ruled it false.
https://www.nasa.gov/pdf/1968m... [nasa.gov]
Mission I: To Understand and Protect Our Home Planet
Mission II: To Explore the Universe and Search for Life
Mission III: To Inspire the Next Generation of Explorers
Even if they did transfer the budget, which they won't, wouldn't that still be a blow to the research? Basically shutting down one functioning large group of people, contractors, companies, equipment, buildings, administration, systems, then bring another one up from scratch? I imagine the cost to be huge, what is it?
They're doing exactly what they said they feared Trump supporters would do if he lost
They're doing nothing at all like what Trump[supporters] did before the results were even known. First of all, Trump himself claimed the election was rigged before any evidence at all surfaced. Then, his supporters claimed there has already been mass election fraud without any evidence. This was well beyond what any candidate or party has done before. No surprise the results of this were a lot of voter intimidation (funny). Note this is the first election since the Voting Rights Act has been curtailed.
My point is that one side has already gone well, well beyond the norm when it comes to claiming an election is rigged. I'm quite positive they would've done more than mostly peaceful rallies if they had lost. Now, the dems have this study, and are simply asking for more investigation. So tone down the outrage.
Bah, here's the link I meant to use, but you don't need links to get the idea: a lot of the right wants Snowden's head on a platter.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfro...
You can find plenty of people on the right that would say Obama should have gone after Snowden more aggressively. I think Obama always looked at the people and arguments of a situation, found the middle of the road, and then sided on what he thought was the right thing to do. In this case, letting the law speak for itself and not interferring looks like an easy decision to me, because it keeps a stance against treason, yet allows the perpetrator of the biggest most important state secret leak in modern history, to not be incarcerated (or tortured, etc as some crazies seem to want).
More like "Look at the results of scientific inquiry, it's right. If you don't agree, AND don't give data that refutes it, fuck you." http://www.skepticalscience.co...
Yep. I do agree in the disdain for the wording. But given the surprise results of the election, I'd also say it just didn't seem to matter before. As a nerd who believes in science, I didn't believe that this EPA pick mattered much until I realized it was actually likely to happen. I mean, what are the odds he actually appoints Ebell? I'd say 70/30 at this point.
Yep https://www.scientificamerican...
This is reminding me of how marijuana was outlawed.
the real dilemma is, there are many ways the science could be wrong, but we trump that by saying, we cannot afford to wait. but i think that's a bad strategy, because the real issue is about risk.
This is like walking into the ocean, getting up to your head in high water, and then saying "no, I don't want to stop walking further out because there's risk if I stop." The people who want to act now usually want to reduce the pollution that we're releasing. Compared to the expensive and inhumane risks of climate change, there is little risk to simply slowing down the pollution.
The ice core samples have a typical resolution of hundred of years ... combining with sediment analysis can narrow it down further
"hundred of years" -- really? we're talking about global warming since 1880 or so, surely hundred(s) of years is still too vague?
What are you talking about? Did you not see the "can narrow it down further" part?
Thanks for the condolences. For some good news, I just found out one state did something 11/8 that was not head-up-the-ass-murica stupid: http://www.slate.com/articles/...
Because Congress was never going to get it done. Not saying "because of the Republicans"... well, yes I am.
http://time.com/3741085/net-ne...
https://techcrunch.com/2015/04...
Based on past performance, the more slack we cut him, the more rope he has to hang everyone. So many business catastrophes, this one is the most interesting imo:
http://www.esquire.com/news-po...
But the theme is usually same: media genius pumps up something until it pops. Not that the US can't do bubbles without his help, but I'm seeing yuge, really yuge ones. But anyway I'm hopeful the US will do really well for a while, then I'll sell.
> There's a man who rapes children and there's a woman who had people run a private mail server for her.
I agree that probably went too far, I'd say: "There's a man who brags about sexual assault, waffled on the KKK, insults large groups of people he's trying to lead, takes unnecessary risks and losses often in business, uses charity donations to buy huge expensive murals of himself, breaks campaign precedent with secrecy over tax returns, and there's a woman who had people run a private mail server for her."
Mark troll if you want, it's all still true.
Talk about straw. You're wording implies this voter fraud "ring" has been "busted", but the referenced article title even says it's an 'investigation' into voter registration fraud. Seems like a big difference between swaths of people trying to vote multiple times, and a pre-election group trying to get voters registered, and possibly individuals getting sloppy or even malicious. If the current argument is that voter fraud actually happens so infrequently that major changes to laws are too heavy-handed because it actually disenfranchises large groups of people, then this particular incident of possible voter registration fraud still doesn't have an effect on the big picture.
Completely Agree. Further, at a site where nerds discuss problems and solution, what can we do about this issue? What is the best place for us every day people to put money or time?
If Iraq was not a failed state, then isis would not have had room grow into. But more important, I remember how much the Iraq war was costing us, and how strained the military was people-wise. If no Iraq war, we would have had the troops and and political clout to do much more about the crisis in Syria as it worsened. I understand nothing is guaranteed, but the Iraq war has cost us over a trillion dollars, and thousands of American soldiers. We've made the quagmire mistake before, we knew it might turn into that, but we went in anyway, without much planning. Unforgivable.
Yup, there's the subpoena. But even before that (addressing parent now), I'd argue that the emails are more important from the Bush Administration. From the excellent Newsweek article: "when the Bush administration was ginning up support for what turned out to be a disastrous war in Iraq with false claims that the country possessed weapons of mass destruction (WMD), and, later, when it was firing U.S. attorneys for political reasons."
The Iraq war (II) and subsequent fighting is responsible for over 1 million deaths. 1 million deaths. I can't imagine how anyone can argue that it's not the most serious issue of the past 40+ years. Then there's the refugee crisis, al qaeda in Iraq (I don't care how they spell it), and the birth of isis, all stemming from this political decision.
If you have to talk politics, and sorry - this is a binary choice at the presidential level, you have to bring up the death of a *million* people. And then remember this email thing really came from a political witch hunt, costing tax payers millions of dollars. About a few broken laws and a handful of documents? If Hillary directly shot the 4 Benghazi victims herself, that would be comparable to less than an hour of American soldiers dying in the worst Iraq fighting. But she didn't. She was running a big organization and she (and more so others) made a mistake, for which she's examined and answered plenty already, and changes have been made to hopefully prevent the mistakes in the future.
Where's the Iraq War marathon hearings? How much did who profit from them?
tldr Your friends may not have experienced any really negative consequences, or possibly even known anyone that has.
I do agree with you, but I'll play devil's advocate a little. I've cleaned out malware from an older family member repeatedly. They eventually got their email hacked. They changed their password, and the problem was fixed. I explained that email could have been used to get into other accounts. So, they change the pw for their bank sites. But everything else just doesn't matter to them. And they never actually saw any other consequences. I've pleaded with them and made some headway on better practices, but it was such a battle because the consequences were so light, and the only time I've ever seen serious consequences from security issues was at work, but my work is IT. If our friends don't deal with IT, they just really seldom experience any serious problems. Identity stolen? 5 minute call to credit cards. I hear about worse outcomes, but I actually don't know anyone this has happened to.
Slashdot is back, it's the Year of the Slashdot!
J/K. Seriously, thanks swilden.