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Will Trump Protect America's IT Workers From H-1B Visa Abuses? (cio.com.au)
Monday president-elect Donald Trump sent "the strongest signal yet that the H-1B visa program is going get real scrutiny once he takes office," according to CIO.
Slashdot reader OverTheGeicoE summarizes their report:
President-elect Donald Trump released a video message outlining his policy plans for his first 100 days in office. At 1 minute, 56 seconds into the message, he states that he will direct the Department of Labor to investigate "all abuses of the visa programs that undercut the American worker." During his presidential campaign, Trump was critical of the H-1B visa program that has been widely criticized for displacing U.S. high-technology workers. "Companies are importing low-wage workers on H-1B visas to take jobs from young college-trained Americans," said Trump at an Ohio rally. At other rallies, Trump invited former IT workers from Disney who had been forced to train their H-1B replacements to speak.
"What he didn't say was that he was going to close the door to skilled immigrants," one tech entrepreneur told CNN Money -- although Trump's selection for attorney general has called the shortage of qualified American tech workers "a hoax".
"What he didn't say was that he was going to close the door to skilled immigrants," one tech entrepreneur told CNN Money -- although Trump's selection for attorney general has called the shortage of qualified American tech workers "a hoax".
As with all things Trump, you'll never know until he does it. The best "advice" I saw was to ignore the mouth in front of the man.
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Go to the transition website. Use the feature to submit an idea and tell them about H1B abuse. I did. Probably does nothing. Couldn't hurt. Tell them if your company is doing it. Name names and give numbers. I did. Probably does nothing. Couldn't hurt.
Remember folks, in many cases companies will simply offshore the work if they don't perceive American labor as the most cost-effective option.
In some cases, the most cost-effective option is to cancel the project and use the money for something elsez
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Look at who he is stocking his cabinet with... If you think he is going to do anything to protect workers, you drank too much of the koolaid.
Now it's just abuses? Didn't he promise to eliminate it entirely?
Which is it?
Isn't H1B - importing a skilled foreign worker - actually better for us as Americans than simply hiring someone in another country and having them work in that country? It's more or less the same for the multinational, but if the worker is in that the US they spend money here and pay US taxes.
The fantasy is that by getting rid of H1B more Americans will be employed. This seems pretty naive.
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the same as a book, as a poem, a music. I hope it will be written again by authors who understand our mentality, culture, who know our history. Sure it is cheaper to use armies of programmers from parts which are just emerging from the Middle Ages. That is how we get what we have by now.
Despite the things you expect him to fuck up, he will probably do some beneficial things, too... with an eye towards beneficial is in the eye of the beholder.
Geeesh! Are there no wives tales left?
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It seems that he is turning into a politician really fast. By February, they will have him reeled in.
The most common usage I see in Seattle is through contracting firms. Usually Indian 'mom and pop' ones that already have their green card running several H1B 'spots'. If you are an immigrant, you pay in to them for the opportunity to be hired for a job through their company. So you get to live in the US and go on interviews till someone hires you, then you pay that time off by getting shit pay while they charge 5 or 6 times more than they pay you. Consulting and contract companies should never be allocated H1B.
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Four years ago, I wrote a sort-of tongue-in-cheek story for Kuro5hin.org (RIP) titled "Humanity's Second-Best Hope" [1]. I pointed out that the Democratic president had failed to deliver on the Change he had promised, and shared my faint hope that maybe Mitt Romney was a "political gladiator" who'd flip on the plutocracy once he was elected.
[1] http://www.TaxiWars.org/humanitys-second-best-hope/
Alas, Mitt Romney was no gladiator.
At some point in this election cycle, I noticed dilbert cartoonist Scott Adams' blog. On August 13, 2015 Scott had a post about Donald Trump titled "Clown Genius" [2]:
[2] http://blog.dilbert.com/post/126589300371/clown-genius
For the entire election cycle, the political media promoted Hillary Clinton as the presidential heir-apparent, as if she was The Chosen One. Usually the plutocracy runs a Chosen candidate against a backup - someone who, even if fickle voters decided to not select the Chosen candidate, would still be useful to them.
Donald Trump was not a backup candidate. He was give free coverage during the primaries because he was considered a clown-candidate that wouldn't be taken seriously, it was an easy story, and because it was thought that The Chosen One could beat him. This was covered in one of the Wikileaks emails...
Donald Trump is the Gladiator that Mitt Romney was not. I'm optimistic.
More recently, Scott Adams has pointed out that the people who are most freaked out by The Donald's victory are those who didn't see it coming - who believed the echo chambers' pronouncements that Hillary Clinton had basically won the election before a single vote had been cast. In one of the recent New York Times articles, Mr. Trump said that he "wants to do a good job". It's a huge undertaking to fill these 4000 positions - what matters most is not the individual appointees, but the guidance provided from the elected candidate at the top.
Hard to say for sure since Trump himself probably doesn't know but I found this quote interesting:
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"Bruce Josten, the chief lobbyist at the United States Chamber of Commerce, said he had already been in communication with members of Mr. Trump's transition team, as the chamber pushes its priorities like securing approval for the Keystone Pipeline, the oil pipeline project blocked by the Obama administration, or reopening more federal lands to oil and gas exploration."
"The chamber already knows there are certain items Mr. Trump has said he will not support, like the current versions of trade deals with Asia or comprehensive changes in the nation's immigration laws, which the chamber pushed during Mr. Obama's tenure. But there are aspects of each of these plans, like increasing the number of visas for highly skilled foreign workers, that Mr. Josten said he expects Mr. Trump to endorse.
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/11/us/politics/lobbyists-trump.html
The H1B visa workers help foster profits for the top mangers of the companies that employ them. Donald Trump's policies are _all_ aimed at putting power and money in the hands of the wealthy. It should be trivial, as the president and with a Rep8ublican congress, to "reduce H1B visas" for his supporting voters but leave in large loopholes to protect their broad corporate use.
When some brown man comes to "steal" some redneck farmer's job, liberals are all "that's okay, gotta help him, tear down the wall on Mexican border, open the borders, no human is illegal". But when some other brown man comes to "steal" THEIR hipster techie job, suddenly it's "H1Bs need more scrutiny".
And please cut the crap about how you're only doing it for their own good, and that all you want is that they have all the same protections as you do, minimum wage, etc. Only a very small minority of the immigrants can compete for your job with skill, you know that, all they can compete with you on is price - and you want to take that ability from them. Now please say again how is being sacked and deported good for them.
"Will Trump Protect America's IT Workers From H-1B Visa Abuses?"
No.
Next "story", please....
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What do you think Trump will do? What do you think Trump might do? What do you think might happen?
The best way to predict the future is to wait for it.
But you blue collar schmucks will get nothing.
Just distribute it by salary, top down. The highest paid gets the visa fist. Go down until all visas are distributed.
If somehow salry-based distribution does not work, limit the number of simultaneois application to just one. The most common and blatant abuse is to have 500 shell firms each file applications for the same workers. Each worker gets ten or twenty applications from different shells. Make it illegal.
Yep. If he gets out of line the GOP congress will impeach him on any one of his many real scandals resulting in Mike Pence as president.
There are split teams: An American team as well as an Indian team. We've been doing this since the late nineties. And over the years, the ratio of American/Indian work has steadily fell.
It boosts the ROI of the product. And that's what's gonna continue to happen. As companies like mine continue to send more and more work that is getting more and more complicated, the Indians are getting better and better and I dare say that in most instances they are just a good as Americans now.
Don't forget, quite a few who went to school and worked over here went back home and opened up shop. So, my point is that offshoring has come to the point where American work can be off-shored without compromises.
Not that I'm cheering for you folks to get it right, but if you import actual skill and limit the lower-tier stuff / abusers, then you've got a sensible policy that helps to build opportunities for domestic workers while harnessing global talent to build companies.
I didn't vote for him but I have to wonder... what if he does a good job? What if he was actually able to do better than previous presidents?
I think the man is very vain. He is 70 years old. But a righteous legacy would be something he might sell his soul for.
He does know business and money. But it's real estate. Which means construction and turnover. Other rich don't necessarily like him because he doesn't care about keeping them rich. He is anti PAC. He has committed that his own cabinet won't be able to turn around and take insider jobs at companies. He is politically and financially not a friend to the rich.
I compare him to Nixon whom was also both very smart and naive about certain things. While Reagan wanted to outspend Russia in the cold war. Nixon wanted to steer China toward a liberal Fascism by marrying them to money and markets. (Kind of similar to how old kingdoms would arrange marriage [hostages] and guests so that there were personal ties of interest to both.) But China isn't spending western money. It's more like they are trying to bankrupt western nations.
Back on topic: Trump seems to support a more protectionist economy with an eye at least toward balancing trade. So it makes sense for him to be anti loop hole H1B. EVERYONE knows it's about cheaper tech workers to keep down tech salaries. I can only wish he would audit American companies and well known brands and show how they cheated the system and for how much. But he will use that instead as bargaining power; maybe shame a couple known companies in the beginning.
I think shamming companies on public TV will be a major theme for him. He does understand the PR game and how that would affect their stock prices in the short run. I expect an across the board minimum tax for businesses at least in the low double digits with phase ins and tax breaks for those that move/build facilities for manufacturing here. So there will definitely be a boom in construction and real estate which is generally good for the middle class.
Tech wages are falling like a rock. There are no jobs in tech! We must do something about the millions of poor tech workers who are being paid very low six figures and have unemployment rates of 3-4%! Please, Trump, end this victimization of our tech industry by high skilled visa programs!
I thought his catchphrase was "You're fired" - not "You're hired" ...
I don't think that many people are not aware of the severity of education in some nations. The first motivation is dire poverty. Students and families see and fear the stark and deadly poverty around them and the demands on a student are unworldly. They must learn at a much higher level to survive in those educational systems. The effect is that we get some unusually brilliant and dedicated scholars from those nations. The very best thing we can do is build a brain drain so that these scholars are super attracted to working in the US. Doing this can keep the US at the top of computer design and programming. Restricting the procuring of these folks will damage the future of our nation. My advice to US students is consider your education a war zone and inch forward with every bit of energy that your sould can devote to advanced learning and high credentials.
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and he took $900k in cash from a guy that runs one of the biggest H1-B farms in America during his campaign. So I'm guessing that would be a 'no'.
Trump is walking back every promise he's made except the ones that are give aways to the 1%ers. What scares me most is thinking whats going to happen in year 3 when his approval ratings are single digits and he's up for reelection. War. War's gonna happen. A nasty war with some nation we're sure we can win against.
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that's all. H1-B is the most abused. It's the one they use to replace entry level jobs with. It's also the easiest to attack since the abuses are so obvious.
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1. Restrict changing jobs for the Indian style "consulting" companies.
2. Make job advertisement where american and non-american are applying something more than a formality. Right now public advertisement is merely a formality.
3. Many of the jobs do not deduct all taxes (such as SS tax). Fix that
That being said, H1B immigration is not the most pressing issue, in my view, while many people in IT industry are not about to agree.
The real issue are low skill workers across the industries, irrespective of their immigration status. H1B laws will do very little to change that.
that the grifter who's been cheating people for 70s years and who doesn't pay his contractors is gonna keep on doing what he's been doing.
But it's a moot point anyway. His cabinet picks alone are all other completely corrupt, completely incompetent or both. Whatever he wants to do doesn't matter. The important decisions will be made for him to the benefit of the 1% and the detriment of the rest of us.
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working 50+ hours a week for just enough money to get by (like my brother). Yeah, there's some guys making good money still. Most don't, and even those guys are making less money in the wake of the H1-Bs.
If everything were hunky-dory we'd be looking at a president Hilary. It's because so many folks don't have the tech jobs they were promised when manufacturing got shipped to Mexico that they didn't bother coming out to vote for her.
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Yep. If he gets out of line the GOP congress will impeach him on any one of his many real scandals resulting in Mike Pence as president.
Not sure what delusions you have but impeaching their own president would be an ever bigger scandal for the GOP and be a months long circus show so unless it's proven that he takes orders direct from Putin it'd never happen. And even then they'd probably bury their heads in the sand and claim it's a fabrication. A million to one odds that won't happen.
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They're looking at it, that it's very important, really important - and he can't believe what his people are finding. But in the end he'll let businesses do whatever they want.
A more humane approach to foreign trade issues across the board (both labor trade and trade of goods) would be to require equality of labor pay. In the past, we didn't have the big data skills to make this practical. I think we now do.
Basically, if you offshore labor, import labor, or import goods, simply require that the workers involved in providing the labor or creating the goods (at all levels of the vertical chain required to create the goods, i.e. all the way down to the raw material mining) get at least 95% of the going pay rate for Americans performing the same tasks.
This is not at all like a tariff which never helps to cure the underlying problems.
In one fell swoop, this would restore the competitiveness of our workers for our own jobs and tell the people (not the governments) of the other countries that they have equal value to all other people. Awesome.
The irate liberals are going to re-design our election system, within a matter of days, to ensure that the results of this election are reversed and a liberal is president instead.
US tech job total ~ 6.5 million, H1-B annual cap = 65K, that's 0.1% per annum. If you think that's having any kind of measurable impact on job prospects for American workers you're delusional.
50 years every langauge known to man. 5 years in house software. All because they just want to pick up an h1b. Something really should be done.
22 years? You are an old timer and you started when there were more opportunities and when it was so much easier to get into this field. Today, without a BS from a good school you're going nowhere out of school.
There's nothing wrong with support or test - IF you like it. But I HATE it. It's boring and monotonous. There's no room for advancement, either. The development group will have nothing to do with any of us transferring. ALL of their new people are recruited from tech. Also the pay sucks too. The devs get 20K more a year.
I've done some of my own projects to try to show I can do more and nobody cares. It only counts if you've done it on the job.
I just hope I can win the lotto and someday do what I want. I REALLY hate work.
The H1B visa program is an excellent choice as a bell weather of what a Trump administration can be expected to do for the average person. Around tax time next year (April 15th) is about 90 days in office. Set a reminder folks. "April 15th. Look around and see what the H1B visa abuse situation is. TRUMP Promise."
Will he keep it or will he break it? I don't know. I have my thoughts but I will have them settled one way or the other by May.
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
Generally politicians don't pay much attention to the content of individual messages, but they do count the number of messages from constituents on each side of an issue. If they receive 1,000 messages urging them to support a bill and 10,000 in opposition, they notice that.
Obviously they also notice if the 12 Wall Street banks who finance 30% of their campaign costs want them to take one side or the other.
Of course, Trump isn't a standard politician. Who knows what he'll do. For example, he's not dependent on large donors like 99% of politicians are. With billions in his own bank account, he's free to tell any potential donor to suck it.
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This should be very easy to prove because US workers are being REPLACED by H1 workers. US workers are training H1 to take thier jobs so they are clearly being used as cheap replacement workers not what H1 was designed to do.
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While the Midwest isn't typically impacted as hard by H-1B activity. I'd certainly like to see the President overhaul the whole program and tighten it way down. I don't need it to go away, what I would like to see is for H-1B to be MORE EXPENSIVE than training someone locally. It should be an expensive option that you use when you don't have time to build the skill set locally.
However, I am from Missouri. You really have to Show Me, for me to believe.
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If a firm brings in even ONE H1-B worker, it affects EVERYBODY in the firm; it sends the message: "you can be replaced, and we're willing to use cheap foreign workers regardless of culture, skills, etc". This singular act suppresses the inclinations of all the other employees to ask for better pay or benefits and thus helps suppress the labor costs across the board. When this happens at multiple companies within an industry (as has happened in US tech) it actually affects the "prevailing wage" computations which affect the rates every company in the entire industry is willing to offer employees. In this way, just a handful of H1-B visa holders can affect the wages and benefits of many thousands of Americans.
The companies that hire the most H1-B workers are already multinationals and a lack of H1-B talent is not going to result in the hiring of more US citizens. The effect of a reduction in H1-B talent will lead to more projects being staffed at offshore locations, and the US will lose more jobs as the program managers, human relations and IT staff that supported those H1-B workers will suddenly become unnecessary. Losing those managerial and support jobs will hurt the US economy enough that certain technology boomtowns in the US are likely headed for a recession even if we get a temporary boost of bluecollar jobs from infrastructure projects.
I'm not hoping for Trump to save my job. I'm hoping he eliminates yours.
Putting the Trump factor to one side for a minute there is a simple option that we use here in New Zealand, minimum pay.
To be eligible to work in NZ as a skilled worker your pay must be typical for a person in the industry, or you work visa will no be renewed. It stops employers importing staff for economic reasons. It is not easy to get a work visa for NZ, so employers only go down that path when there is a genuine shortage of local candidates. While it may be possible to game the system I doubt it happening here because it is such a small market.
I travel to the US quite often for work and I have thought it would be nice to do a couple of years OE there, but can't see me wanting to live there long term. If I was to work in the USA I would expect to be paid the same as a local with the same skills, I'm not cheap labor and I am not looking to displace an existing employee. If Trump wants a simple fix then set the minimum pay for an HB1 worker to say $100K. Given the size of the HB1 market there I suspect you would need to back that up with an audit system so people don't claim they are paying more that the really are via bonded employment or mandatory fees etc. I guess you could back that up with a blacklist blocking the HB1 system for an employer or employment agency caught trying to game the system.
After all the times Trump went broke and got help to restart, you think he doesn't owe a few favours?
Ron White said it best, there's no fixing stupid, stupid is forever.
So...opening up more federal lands to oil and gas (a deal, Mr. Trump...go crazy) will make saving coal's ass easier?
Josten may have no clue how to deal with Trump: the lobbyists have not fared well so far in the transition (see: Chris Christie and cronies).
I expect that Josten is wet-dreaming about what the Chamber of Commerce would like without facing the reality that Trump will do whatever he damned well pleases because he can.
Would you care to be a bit more specific? I don't know of any time that Trump was anywhere near broke, and I've followed his career for 25 years.
I own a thousand dollars of stock in Google, a few hundred of Autozone, and about 20 other companies. If Autozone goes bankrupt, I'm out the few hundred I invested.
Trump has a couple billion in total, a few million in this hotel, a few million in a casino over here, a million in a golf course, hundreds of investments. When one of the companies goes bankrupt, he's out a couple million -and still has 2,000 million left.
Not sure what delusions you have but impeaching their own president would be an ever bigger scandal for the GOP
He's not really theirs, either. They didn't want Trump to be their candidate. They didn't fight it as hard as the Democrats, though. For once, their laziness pays off, eh? With the taste of ashes.
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As they have depressed the market for native techies, it follows they've depressed the desire of people to enter that job market, so they *will* see a shortage of candidates now.
because impeaching someone for actual crimes is a scandal ....
and you call him delusional?
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
What many people don't understand is that bankruptcy is a perfectly valid and often necessary legal strategy for a company to take. Bankruptcy often does not mean a company is out of business, you have several steps before that, often a simple restructuring of debt can result and make the company profitable again.
People think of bankruptcy as an easy way to get out of massive debt but bankruptcy courts loathe making such final decision as do the banks, in most cases you end up being forced to refinance all your debts in longer term loans or your assets get sold.
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To be perfectly honest, it's ridiculous to claim Trump is lying when he says he wants to bring jobs back to America, just because you can show where some of his buildings were constructed using Chinese steel.
This is clearly a guy who wasn't ever micro-managing every little detail of each building project he invested in. I'm sure some of the sub-contractors who performed some of the necessary work on his buildings hired illegal labor without Trump ever being made aware of it, too.
You might have more of an argument that especially once running for office, he should have had the foresight to source U.S. manufacturers for his name-brand products. (If you buy a "Trump for President" ball cap and it says it's made in China on the label -- that means he had somebody on his staff call a place that advertised a good price on embroidered caps and ordered, without making the effort to check on that first. Not the smartest move ... but still, probably not anything he had direct say in.)
I have no idea how his Presidency will turn out, and I didn't vote for the guy either. But I've *never* seen so much news coverage over EVERY SINGLE person he so much as considers for a position someplace on his cabinet. There are obviously a whole lot of people in the media and press looking for any excuse to criticize him on any misstep he makes, even months before he actually takes office and does anything.
Even if he stops skilled immigrants. Tech work does not need to be in the US. It is portable. Anyway, the biggest fear is among the low end techworker in the US. And their jobs can easily be outsourced which is already happening.
What is wrong with you!!!!
Are you a majority shareholder of Autozone? Do you run Autozone?
You followed Trump's career for 25 years and you compare your stock investment to Trump's Atlantic City casino bankruptcy???
A better comparison to Trump's bankruptcy is Elizabeth Holmes's Theranos.
Donald Trump doesn't even know the basic concepts behind a blind trust, and unfortunately for us, his supporters are just as blind.
They really need to make it a mix of the current lottery system (to give anyone a chance) and a more-you-pay-the-more you get system (helps companies who need actual skill and not just warm bodies. My company has dozens of H1Bs, hundreds of offshore contractors and refuses to hire any local talent, including low cost college grads. They would rather may Accenture, TCS & Infosys $150/hr for what amounts to slave labor for years instead of hiring a single college grad for under $40/hr.
There is no reason to have an H1B program other than to keep skilled grads from school. It absolutely should not be made available except on an individual basis, it should basically just be a work visa that the person can take with him or her to the company of their choosing, so that supply and demand is put to work instead of large corporations bogarting all the workers for cheap. It should not be expensive either. In all fairness they should be divvied up by state and pro-rated by population. Silicon Valley and other tech centers don't deserve any more than say Atlanta or Podunk, Utah. It just needs to be made fair, to keep corps from abusing it for cheap labor, 90% of the problem would be fixed if it was issues to an individual and not to the companies.
Problem is that a lot of students know that if they go into CS or IS/IT fields, they will be having to fight with the H-1Bs for what scraps are left over from the offshoring companies.
The problem is that US students are basically fucked when it comes to STEM majors. Engineering is tough, but we need more engineers, not people who have went through a training regimen that weeded out 95% of candidates. Weeding people out is important if one needs hardcore soldiers or snipers, but not core professions that are critically needed. For example, during my undergrad times, the profs used a T-score system, and not percentages. This means that if everyone scored a 100, you scored a 99, you flunked the test.
I would say that here in the US, if you want to succeed, you need a profession that isn't offshorable. A master plumber or HVAC person may not make as much, but doesn't have to worry about getting fired every 1.5-3 years as one does in IT. An electrician may have to go around and do stuff, but they still have work regardless of the economy, and 120VAC is 120VAC, and they don't have to re-learn their trade every six months.
For professional jobs, there is always law and finance. There is no such thing as an unemployed J. D. Pass the bar, you have a new Mercedes every three years and a meal ticket for life.
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so much news coverage over EVERY SINGLE person he so much as considers for a position because the people he's wanting to appoint are mostly WAY out there. Blatant racists, anti-Semitics, anti-education, etc. He's gathering up all the "outsiders" for these positions...there is a reason their "outsiders". Look at Betsy DeVos, Steve Bannon, Jeff Sessions, Mark Jamison, etc. These picks are people who hate the current system and will dismantle it all, and turn it over to whatever corp will pay the most. Many of them are already considered on the fringe of the fringe, and will quickly destroy everything they can. Say goodbye to clean air, clean water, public schools, net neutrality, woman's rights, workplace safety, and most of the other ideals that make the US a "modern civilized nation". Say hello to nation-wide "stop and frisk", "papers please", corporate monopolies, massive funding for "Christian" charter schools, and a trade war with China.
Great choice we have...a Gilded Age on steroids with Trump or a Christian Taliban under Pence.
H1B will stay around because Trump really doesn't care. Those People who are affected by it didn't vote for him anyway. The people running the corporations that use the outsourcing companies that run most of the H1Bs mostly did vote for Trump, or at least didn't work hard against him. They really don't mind having a real estate developer sleazeball for President.
Excellent view on the subject of Trump in general: Garrison Keillor in the WashPost. We're now getting a glimpse of how things will be in his choices for the Cabinet, but the full impact will take a while to develop. Unfortunately for Garrison's viewpoint, a lot of the people who did vote for him as "change" will not notice or care about the consequences - they'll blame their continued lack of meaningful employment on minorities, immigrants, and Democrats, not necessarily in that order. And the H1Bs will stay and expand; Congress is bought and paid for and will ensure that.
What many people don't understand is that bankruptcy is a perfectly valid and often necessary legal strategy for a company to take.
No, everyone understands that it's legal, and therefore considered valid. Everyone also understands that when you go bankrupt it means that without government interference, you would go out of business like the failure that you are. Trump is known for his many corporate bankruptcies. If he were forced to make good on the promises of the corporations with his name on them, he would be way beyond bankrupt. His finances would be a hole straight through the planet, not merely a smoking one.
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I hope he does do it, and reforms the H1-Bs to make American grads more competitive. What many of you don't know is H1Bs live under constant threat they'll have to leave the country. Asking for a raise? Fuck off you're not going anywhere anyway. Want to go to another job due to abuse? Better hope your current employer doesn't know you're looking, if they lay you off you have to leave the country within a week. This depresses wages for both H1Bs and for US workers. Let H1Bs move freely between employers and let them stay in the country for up to 6 months. Wages for everyone on the lower end of the job market will go up.
> Are you a majority shareholder of Autozone? Do you run Autozone?
Trump didn't put up the majority of the money for any of the casinos either. For Trump Plaza, Harrah's paid all of the construction costs, $220 million, and operated the casino. Trump had put up something like $13 million to buy the land. Trump did get half the profits, but all he could lose was the $13 million.
For most of his properties, banks put up the money. Just like I only lose my $500 investment if Autozone goes under, Trump only stood to lose his investment, in most cases. A couple of times he personally guaranteed a small percentage of the loans, but that was the exception rather than the rule.
He was 50% owner of the Empire State Building and guess how much he exposure he and his companies had? $0. He didn't put in one cent, had nothing to lose. The owner GAVE him a 50% interest so that he would use his expertise in New York real estate to make it profitable.
The Disney's case is an obvious one, but there are non-obvious. I used to work in a group where not only the manager can't lead, he also got a sleazy buddy advising him. Due to attrition, we decided to get a new college grade to fill the position. We interviewed a bunch of NCGs and came down to two guys who have similar experience and GPA. One guy is a citizen worked his way through college and we liked him a lot. The other guy is from India and he needs H1B visa. We recommended the first guy since we can get him right the way while the other guy needed time to process paperwork. The manager overrode us and he tried to rack his brain figuring out how to justify it. While I was working, I over heard them discuss this problem. The reason my manager felt he wanted the Indian applicant is because he felt "foreign" workers will work harder and while the native worker won't. I don't know how he got that impression. My manager's sleazy buddy suggested that while the group is using C/C++, the India applicant happen to list Ruby while the other applicant did not. So the workaround is to tell HR and Legal that this group is looking to use Ruby and the India applicant has an "unique" qualifying skill that the other applicants we interviewed did not have. Even though we don't need ruby and switching to the language will require rewrite of everything, your average HR and legal couldn't tell the difference. So the manager put that as justification and actually got the hire. We ended up hating the new hire. Truthfully, he wasn't bad it just the way he got in really pissed everyone off. I felt it was a red flag so I decided to leave. Later I found out that everyone also decided to leave so we band together and basically do just enough to get by and under the name of "training" dump all the crap work to the poor new hire so we can look for new jobs. Eventually most of us left before end of the year. I was one of the few that was able to leave quickly. Later I was told as people are started to leave, the HR even asked my manager why people are leaving and ask him to start a retention program. During staff meeting, he even ask everyone to give him inputs and he stress his "open door" policy. However, no one trusted him nor does anyone cared and key people keep on leaving while the new hire just couldn't keep up. I don't know what happen to the manager and his sleazy buddy, but I doubt anyone cared.
I don't know if Trump can pull this off. I seriously doubt it since there are just so many ways to skirt around the regulation it's hard to detect the abuse.
Well, he campaigned on promises to "drain the swamp" and eliminate a lot of government regulation. As far as I'm concerned, the public school system needs a good dismantling. Go to a voucher system and promote charter schools as options. The teacher's union is one of the most corrupt unions out there today too. If all of that is "fringe" thinking - I'm down with the fringes on that. Common core standards were foisted upon the nation's schools without any consideration for the students caught in the middle of the changes, or the parents who couldn't even teach their own kids that system. And districts get Board of Education candidates elected disingenuously with the "Apple ballots" they pass around at election time, with their "slate" of candidates falsely promoted as "the people the teachers themselves actually want on the board". They OFTEN don't.
But at least a number of the rumored picks are well known names of people who aren't considered that radical (or even friends of many conservatives), so I'd say your categorizing Trump as only wanting "outsiders" is incorrect. Ben Bernake, for example, or Jonathan Gray (a Democrat!).
That is what people fail to understand though, it's fine for a company to go bankrupt, that's WHY we have LLC's, otherwise nobody would be starting businesses. You want Trump to personally finance a random failed venture? Why?
From another perspective: if banks would have to accept bankruptcies as total losses, again, they wouldn't fund ANYTHING. Bankruptcies are methods to get away from crushing debt and into a recovery, it's a mechanism to avoid banks from turning into loansharks. The alternative is that banks have full control over companies and their assets.
If all businesses were run in this unicorn farts and rainbows feel-good world of yours where everyone would pay back what they owed even if they failed, nobody would have anything, we wouldn't have any businesses.
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No ... the only thing that matters is some kind of ratty conspiracy theory connection between politifact and Democrats. Add a gratuitous slur on mrs. Clinton (nevermind that several investigative committees failed to come up with paydirt).
Nah, typical Trump supporters don't deal with facts. Too much hassle. Makes their poor little minds tired and confused.
Much better go with something that sounds good and writes quick. Like a hint at conspiracy. Saves time, thinking, and effort. Great!
That is what people fail to understand though, it's fine for a company to go bankrupt, that's WHY we have LLC's, otherwise nobody would be starting businesses.
Wait, I thought the people with money were the job creators! I thought they made money, and then they reinvested it into more business ventures, creating jobs! Now you're telling me that The People are the Job Creators, because we make bankruptcy possible. I guess that means we should be getting full employment for our forbearance, right?
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There is nothing wrong with more H1B visas being given to those who are truly rock-star level performers. That doesn't mean more have to go to normal IT-Dept slugs, either.
Trump said he want to jail Hillary!
He's reneging on that promise even before he starts.
Why would we vote Trump if he's not gonna jail Hillary? This is bullshit!
We Indians are British trained crooks. We put 4 or 5 Indian HB1 in one room, but charge the customer for 5 rooms, we get them one car, but charge 5 cars and so on, Out initial low cost does not include these hidden costs and thus the US guys think we are cheap. We also have no respect for selling trade secrets, our work has to be reworked by the functionally illiterate Americans. You donâ(TM)t forget that there is no free lunch at all. But, your lobbyists are out friends. We pay them bribes
But they use it for investments abroad. Guys, donâ(TM)t complain, you elect crooks, than what can you expect? One you guys exported 20% of your production to us, now we give you 80% shit back. Donâ(TM)t cry, get educated, learn to add, multiply, subtract and write decent English. You can laugh at our accent, but you too have one hundred varieties. Your leaders â" most of them are corrupt so live with them. Your forefathers never thought that their great great⦠children will be crooks and did not have an amendment to protect USA from political corruption. Your country used the tax money to invent things and expected your local development of products to sell abroad. But the companies which got the patents sold every thing to China without paying anything for the R&D cost for the USA. Pure greed is part of USA and it has joined the world at last.
Yes-- by simply moving from "no coal" governmental policy to "all domestic sources" (including clean coal)-- January will remove Obama's boot from the throats of American energy producers Rather than put the government's thumb on the market (taxes/regulations on "bad" energy, and subsidies on "good" energy), you'll see natural competition once again-- and when solar/green tech matures, it will naturally (as opposed to governmentally) replace them... because of inherent value to the consumer.
Working with large numbers of mainly Indians here in the USA under H-1b visas, I can tell you this will have huge impact of development teams. One Indian friend said of H-1b procedures at US immigration, "they don't even ask you if you plan to stay, they just wave you through.." When cheap seats can no longer be brought here, many development jobs will simply leave the US altogether.
This. So much this. If they could offshore it they would.
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This made me laugh - he won't because he thinks those pesky educated types are dirty Democrats and should be replaced by people who will do what they are told under threat of deportation.
He is not your saviour.
He sees you as his enemy.
While you were asleep he released a tax return for one of those years.
It's news because the choices are so weird. A General who was fired? How many Generals have ever been fired since the Civil War? Five? Ten?
Not direct but Putin does tell the Russian banks that Trump owes money to what to do.
However the reason Trump had to resort to Russian banks in the first place is because he has a history of not doing what he is asked by the banks he owes money to. Trump will probably just fuck them over too, just like the other banks, subcontractors business partners and so on.
So there you go - silver lining!
He may not be working for the USA but he's probably not going to work for Russia either!
No matter what Trump wants to do, Republican senators and representatives need to vote on law changes.
Anyone who doesn't get this needs to go back to school.
It sounds like a ridiculous hoax but it is true. The US gives away 50000 green cards every year. The lottery tickets are free and, if selected, you only need to have a high school degree and a clean criminal record in order to qualify. It is a stupid system that has got to go.
I'd like to see the numbers for how many actually become naturalized citizens, because I've worked with a fair number of them and that is the opposite of the narrative I've heard first hand.
Probably have an "innovation" where the H1B visas will be sold on QVC under some sort of Trump Branding.
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Fuck no.
The Carney Barker always tells the rubes whatever they want to hear to get them in the tent.
Once they are in he leaves with the money.
The same thing will happen with the Trump Administration.
Trump will do what is in his best interests. In this case I believe he will almost certainly follow up on his claim to "fix" the H1b abuses. Why?
4 Reasons:
1) It literally has zero negative impact on his own business holdings
2) He ran (and won) on bringing American jobs back
3) If he wants to win those "Blue" states on re-election like California this is the way to do it. Same idea except white collar VS blue
4) It give the middle finger to all those IT CEO's that bad mouthed him in the past election
Seem pretty straight forward to me. As for other republicans trying to block him, I don't think it will work, as some other had mentioned, he pretty much got elected without a lot of republican support to begin with and I don't think he would even blink before throwing a few republic opponents under the bus and fast if only as simply a statement of who is boss...
As to how fair or draconian the actual policy will be or even how effective it is remains to be scene...
Doing so will increase costs for businesses who have an IT department, which is pretty much every business except the very small trader. What he will do is cut visas in places where there's no demand for more workers, hence no increase in costs. Until there is demand in that area, in which case they will be allowed in again.
You'd have to be truly naive to think he would. It's easy to determine what he will do; just look at what will make shareholders the most money. Bringing in foreign workers and cutting US jobs will improve the bottom line, so that's what will be done.
Trump will do only when there is a big ruckus. He paraded Disney folks because it gained enough traction. There are many more companies where Indian Desi managers harbor "soft spots" for fellow countrymen - when merit is 2nd priority. No wonder the efficiency of the corporations are about 23%
Trump does not know what IT does - he seems to think his 10-year-old is a qualified cybersecurity expert - he does not know what an H1-B is, and he thinks a Visa is that piece of black stainless steel in his wallet that he uses when he can't get out of paying for something.
So, no, he most likely won't.
95% nominal or PPP?
Purchasing Power Parity. Basically, being able to afford a nearly equivalent lifestyle if it is available in the area and a fair translation of our equivalent worker's lifestyle if not.
I realize this comment is a couple days old, but read the news. We know exactly what Trump is gonna do, and he is 100% in bed with his large donors.