Look, it's not like I'm going off what I saw secondhand on some tv documentary, ferchrissake, I saw them working on it firsthand. Sure they cut back and forth to closeups of models. Has nobody ever heard of editing? The primary explosion sequence is 100% CG. Now go read the damn T2 FAQ: http://www.solo.net/~jnice/page/faqlist/tfaq 5.html [5.8]..."4-Ward Productions, who did the nuclear nightmare sequence, brought in Electric Image to model the Los Angeles skyline and blow it into particles. In fact, the good folks at EI developed their Mr. Nitro plug-in (now part of their standard package) for the film." Sheesh! Some people would dispute me if I was James Cameron.
Contrary to the reviewer's statement, that nuclear explosion scene just after Sarah screams through a chain link fence was computer rendered. It is well known that the nuclear explosion scene was created using Electric Image on a Mac. There are only two film images that ever gave me nightmares. The first one was the T1 image of metal terminators' feet crunching down on human skulls. The second was the T2 nuke scene in LA.
My former web services provider locked me out of my website due to a business dispute over their refusal to repair (or even acknowledge) bugs in their proprietary front-end. After the lockout, they maliciously kept the site up, hoping to spread confusion amongst web searchers about where my current site is located. Web searches were diverted from my lowly independent site to the same content on their highly-rated site, diverting my audience to the old dead site. I had a backup of the site, so I only sought to have the old site deleted. The provider had repeatedly agreed to remove the site but they never did, they were lying to me. I could easily have hacked into the site and deleted it myself, but that would have been illegal. Fortunately I posted copyright notices on each page I wrote before I lost control of the site. I filed a DMCA complaint with the upstream provider, demanding removal of my copyrighted content or else they must disconnect the server from the net. I just followed the instructions on the www.chillingeffects.org site (which ironically is an anti-DMCA site with the best information on how to use the law). I just whipped together a nice PDF copied from a successful DMCA complaint by Dow Chemical. The upstream ISP was in the process of pulling the plug on the web provider's primary server when the assholes at the provider finally realized they better relinquish control of my site, and they caved in and deleted the site. Victory for the little guy! To respond to a separate reply to my message, you're bringing up a strawman to mention Elcomsoft. All you've proven is that there are bad lawmen, not that the DMCA is a bad law. Elcomsoft is a spamware seller and they all belong in a Gulag at hard labor, not Club Fed.
I just used the DMCA to get back control of my personal website from the ISP that was holding it hostage. Without the DMCA, I would have had to fight in district courts over copyrights, it would have taken me months and many bucks spent on shyster lawyers. But a single DMCA affadavit and bam, my personal work is back under my control.
The local cable TV system in Dubuque Iowa did an experiment with Intellivision, back in the day. Intellivision users could get a special cable adapter and play other users across the cable net. This was the first networked multiuser video game system in the world. The system also offered text chat. It was a short-lived experiment, IIRC it only lasted a year or two, then Group W Cable discovered it wasn't making any money on it, so they pulled the plug. Still, it was an awesome precedent.
He cherry-picked the complaints that he could flame over spelling, while ignoring valid criticisms. He'd have done better to acknowledge the legitimate criticism. If he doesn't, how can we consider his own remarks to be legitimate criticism?
This is what really gets my goat sometimes. Calling him a "known troll" and saying "his credibility" is zero does not address his points.
Yeah right. That's why Mr. Haxial responds to his critics by calling them trolls and criticising their spelling instead of dealing with the actual accusations. I guess that's the best he could do to defend his position.
old piece of shit Wintel machines, as corporations retire old underpowered CPUs from desktops. The only good use for old Wintel hardware is light-duty file or web servers running Linux, corporations don't run old OSes in new mass deployments. But corporations tend not to run flaky old hardware in mission critical server deployments either. On the other hand, I just upgraded my ancient Mac G3/400 server to MacOS X Server 10.26, it runs great. Try that with an old PeeCee box of equivalent age. On the other other hand, corporations will always be buying new state-of-the-art machines and software. The battle is for the NEWLY deployed machines. Linux hasn't got a chance.
There was a story on/. a while ago about how to simulate the G forces. Some scientists were experimenting with external vestibular stimulation, they used electromagnetic transducers mounted like headphones behind your ears. It was intended for physical therapy for people with balance disorders. Eventually they should able to induce any vestibular sensation like rising/falling, being at an angle or upside down, spinning, etc. and it could be developed into an bionic replacement for damaged sense of balance. Of course this got on/. because some geek fantasizes about hooking this up to Quake. Anyone who wants to wire their nervous system directly to a PC game is totally insane.
I'm not bitching at the crappy job, I'm just informing you that it isn't even close to a real cylindrical projection , like he claims it is. Go study your projective geometry before you whine about things outside your limited expertise.
And yes, I've done better, with less equipment too. That's what I WAS DESCRIBING.
The skull scan is definitely NOT a cylindrical projection, the irregularities at the top of the skull in the assembled image make it obvious. Notice he posed the skull in the final image so you couldn't see the sloppy job he did as it appears on the top. A better cylindrical map would have taken, say, 360 slit scans of one row of vertical pixels taken 1 degree apart, then lined them all up. This would have smoothed out the errors. He only did 8 scans and that ain't enough.
This NYT article is so much bullshit. The "consortium" is nothing more than an attempt to PREVENT new technologies. I know for a fact because a friend of mine has developed and patented a laser projector for digital cinema, and has been illegally harassed and hounded by all the other big manufacturers, to the point where she's completely unable to get anyone to even consider using her system. Her patented laser projector can produce images with 4000 line resolution, way beyond anything Texas Instruments can produce, and since it uses lasers, it has "infinite focus," that is, you can project it on irregular surfaces and it's in focus at all points. It has no limits on image size, you could project a movie-quality image on the side of a mountain if you had powerful enough lasers. It truly is an imagesetter for motion pictures, at least an order of magnitude improvement over anything that's even in development. And it's been ready to ship for 2 years. But thanks to the activities of entrenched business interests, represented by the Consortium, her business is being strangled, and she's now fighting a legal battle she is financially inequipped to fight. Through legal trickery and collusion with secret partners, her competitors managed to steal her $350k prototype right out of the development facility, and she's desperately fighting to get it back before they reverse-engineer it. It's multibillionaire theater owners and film/video technologists vs. the individual inventor, and billions of dollars are at stake. It sucks. Bad.
One Piece At A Time, by Johnny Cash
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Well, I left Kentucky back in '49 An' went to Detroit workin' on a 'sembly line The first year they had me puttin' wheels on cadillacs
Every day I'd watch them beauties roll by And sometimes I'd hang my head and cry 'Cause I always wanted me one that was long and black.
One day I devised myself a plan That should be the envy of most any man I'd sneak it out of there in a lunchbox in my hand Now gettin' caught meant gettin' fired But I figured I'd have it all by the time I retired I'd have me a car worth at least a hundred grand.
CHORUS: I'd get it one piece at a time, and it wouldn't cost me a dime You'll know it's me when I come through your town I'm gonna ride around in style, I'm gonna drive everybody wild 'Cause I'll have the only one there is a round.
So the very next day when I punched in With my big lunchbox and with help from my friends I left that day with a lunch box full of gears Now, I never considered myself a thief GM wouldn't miss just one little piece Especially if I strung it out over several years.
The first day I got me a fuel pump And the next day I got me an engine and a trunk Then I got me a transmission and all of the chrome The little things I could get in my big lunchbox Like nuts, an' bolts, and all four shocks But the big stuff we snuck out in my buddy's mobile home.
Now, up to now my plan went all right 'Til we tried to put it all together one night And that's when we noticed that something was definitely wrong.
The transmission was a '53, and the motor turned out to be a '73 And when we tried to put in the bolts all the holes were gone.
So we drilled it out so that it would fit And with a little bit of help with an adaptor kit We had that engine runnin' just like a song Now the headlight' was another sight We had two on the left and one on the right But when we pulled out the switch all three of 'em come on.
The back end looked kinda funny too But we put it together and when we got thru Well, that's when we noticed that we only had one tail-fin About that time my wife walked out And I could see in her eyes that she had her doubts But she opened the door and said "Honey, take me for a spin."
So we drove up town just to get the tags And I headed her right on down main drag I could hear everybody laughin' for blocks around But up there at the court house they didn't laugh 'Cause to type it up it took the whole staff And when they got through the title weighed sixty pounds.
CHORUS: I got it one piece at a time, and it didn't cost me a dime You'll know it's me when I come through your town I'm gonna ride around in style, I'm gonna drive everybody wild 'Cause I'll have the only one there is around.
(Spoken) Ugh! Yow, RED RYDER this is the COTTON MOUTH in the PSYCHO-BILLY CADILLAC Come on
Huh, This is the COTTON MOUTH and negatory on the cost of this mow-chine there RED RYDER, you might say I went right up to the factory and picked it up, it's cheaper that way Ugh!, what model is it?
Well, It's a '49, '50, '51, '52, '53, '54, '55, '56 '57, '58' 59' automobile It's a '60, '61, '62, '63, '64, '65, '66, '67 '68, '69, '70 automobile. --------------- P.S. The slashcode lameness filter should be modified so it doesn't flag song lyrics as too few characters per line. I'm writing this long, irrelevant sentence to kick up the chr/line average above the lameness limit. It doesn't seem to do much to the average, but maybe this additional sentence will do it. Apologies to Johnny Cash for mangling his liyric punctuation. Damn you Taco! Goddammit, I've added line after line and the average is still to low, WTF is it with this lameness filter? It's lame. Dont' bother reading this, it's just irrelevant filler. And this is even more irrelevant filler. Is this how a lameness filter is supposed to work, in a totally lame way? Goddammit, now I'm getting really pissed, I keep checking and I'm still below the char/line limit. Couldn't lameness be indexed to karma so good posters don't have to mangle a short, succinct message with a load of BS to get past the lameness filter?
We're not talking about SCANS here, brainiac, we're talking about rendering. Even so, the current movie scan standard is well above your 2k scan. I have it written down somewhere, but nobody cares because the standard was obsolete when it was created. In an ideal world, nobody should have to render beyond the target rez. But in the Real World, you always have to oversample.
Human creativity has thus far always been able to far exceed our wildest technological dreams.
Bullshit. Bullshit bullshit bullshit.
I've worked with Academy Award winning animators and effects people, and their #1 continual complaint is that their clients have no imagination. They whine that they get asked to do the same effects over and over, because the director saw some effect somewhere else and wants to copy it.
If there really was one gram of creativity anywhere in the movie world, Jackson would write an original script instead of adapting an existing work. Creativity is such boring work, it's easier to copy.
Forget plot, character development, staging, etc. Who needs that crap when you have a couple of thousand cheap microprocessors? Gimme a fucking break. The Matrix sequel was a flop despite massive improvements in rendering. So will the next Rings movie. They've forgotten they're STORYTELLERS, not architects, generals, etc. Remember LOTR is a story that sold MILLIONS of copies with no special effects other than a nondescript painting on the cover of the book.
Back when I was a young'n, we had these things called JOBS. We had to walk 5 miles through 6 foot snowdrifts just to get to work, then labored until we were exhausted. And we LIKED it!
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Look, it's not like I'm going off what I saw secondhand on some tv documentary, ferchrissake, I saw them working on it firsthand. Sure they cut back and forth to closeups of models. Has nobody ever heard of editing? The primary explosion sequence is 100% CG. Now go read the damn T2 FAQ:q 5.html
http://www.solo.net/~jnice/page/faqlist/tfa
[5.8]..."4-Ward Productions, who did the nuclear nightmare sequence, brought in Electric Image to model the Los Angeles skyline and blow it into particles. In fact, the good folks at EI developed their Mr. Nitro plug-in (now part of their standard package) for the film."
Sheesh! Some people would dispute me if I was James Cameron.
Contrary to the reviewer's statement, that nuclear explosion scene just after Sarah screams through a chain link fence was computer rendered. It is well known that the nuclear explosion scene was created using Electric Image on a Mac.
There are only two film images that ever gave me nightmares. The first one was the T1 image of metal terminators' feet crunching down on human skulls. The second was the T2 nuke scene in LA.
By your argument, murder should be legal because people can be framed and imprisoned for murders they did not commit.
You're an idiot.
My former web services provider locked me out of my website due to a business dispute over their refusal to repair (or even acknowledge) bugs in their proprietary front-end. After the lockout, they maliciously kept the site up, hoping to spread confusion amongst web searchers about where my current site is located. Web searches were diverted from my lowly independent site to the same content on their highly-rated site, diverting my audience to the old dead site. I had a backup of the site, so I only sought to have the old site deleted. The provider had repeatedly agreed to remove the site but they never did, they were lying to me. I could easily have hacked into the site and deleted it myself, but that would have been illegal.
Fortunately I posted copyright notices on each page I wrote before I lost control of the site. I filed a DMCA complaint with the upstream provider, demanding removal of my copyrighted content or else they must disconnect the server from the net. I just followed the instructions on the www.chillingeffects.org site (which ironically is an anti-DMCA site with the best information on how to use the law). I just whipped together a nice PDF copied from a successful DMCA complaint by Dow Chemical. The upstream ISP was in the process of pulling the plug on the web provider's primary server when the assholes at the provider finally realized they better relinquish control of my site, and they caved in and deleted the site. Victory for the little guy!
To respond to a separate reply to my message, you're bringing up a strawman to mention Elcomsoft. All you've proven is that there are bad lawmen, not that the DMCA is a bad law. Elcomsoft is a spamware seller and they all belong in a Gulag at hard labor, not Club Fed.
I just used the DMCA to get back control of my personal website from the ISP that was holding it hostage. Without the DMCA, I would have had to fight in district courts over copyrights, it would have taken me months and many bucks spent on shyster lawyers. But a single DMCA affadavit and bam, my personal work is back under my control.
I must need new eyeglasses, I could've sworn that headline said "methadone-fueled."
You are correct, it was the PlayCable system.
The local cable TV system in Dubuque Iowa did an experiment with Intellivision, back in the day. Intellivision users could get a special cable adapter and play other users across the cable net. This was the first networked multiuser video game system in the world. The system also offered text chat. It was a short-lived experiment, IIRC it only lasted a year or two, then Group W Cable discovered it wasn't making any money on it, so they pulled the plug. Still, it was an awesome precedent.
Man are you way behind the times. I can do that even with my dual 1Ghz G4.
And you know this to be true because of ... what?
He cherry-picked the complaints that he could flame over spelling, while ignoring valid criticisms. He'd have done better to acknowledge the legitimate criticism. If he doesn't, how can we consider his own remarks to be legitimate criticism?
Yeah right. That's why Mr. Haxial responds to his critics by calling them trolls and criticising their spelling instead of dealing with the actual accusations. I guess that's the best he could do to defend his position.
old piece of shit Wintel machines, as corporations retire old underpowered CPUs from desktops. The only good use for old Wintel hardware is light-duty file or web servers running Linux, corporations don't run old OSes in new mass deployments. But corporations tend not to run flaky old hardware in mission critical server deployments either. On the other hand, I just upgraded my ancient Mac G3/400 server to MacOS X Server 10.26, it runs great. Try that with an old PeeCee box of equivalent age.
On the other other hand, corporations will always be buying new state-of-the-art machines and software. The battle is for the NEWLY deployed machines. Linux hasn't got a chance.
There was a story on /. a while ago about how to simulate the G forces. Some scientists were experimenting with external vestibular stimulation, they used electromagnetic transducers mounted like headphones behind your ears. It was intended for physical therapy for people with balance disorders. Eventually they should able to induce any vestibular sensation like rising/falling, being at an angle or upside down, spinning, etc. and it could be developed into an bionic replacement for damaged sense of balance. /. because some geek fantasizes about hooking this up to Quake. Anyone who wants to wire their nervous system directly to a PC game is totally insane.
Of course this got on
I'm not bitching at the crappy job, I'm just informing you that it isn't even close to a real cylindrical projection , like he claims it is. Go study your projective geometry before you whine about things outside your limited expertise.
.sig, "Loser" was accurate.
And yes, I've done better, with less equipment too. That's what I WAS DESCRIBING.
Well, at least your
The skull scan is definitely NOT a cylindrical projection, the irregularities at the top of the skull in the assembled image make it obvious. Notice he posed the skull in the final image so you couldn't see the sloppy job he did as it appears on the top.
A better cylindrical map would have taken, say, 360 slit scans of one row of vertical pixels taken 1 degree apart, then lined them all up. This would have smoothed out the errors. He only did 8 scans and that ain't enough.
This NYT article is so much bullshit. The "consortium" is nothing more than an attempt to PREVENT new technologies. I know for a fact because a friend of mine has developed and patented a laser projector for digital cinema, and has been illegally harassed and hounded by all the other big manufacturers, to the point where she's completely unable to get anyone to even consider using her system. Her patented laser projector can produce images with 4000 line resolution, way beyond anything Texas Instruments can produce, and since it uses lasers, it has "infinite focus," that is, you can project it on irregular surfaces and it's in focus at all points. It has no limits on image size, you could project a movie-quality image on the side of a mountain if you had powerful enough lasers. It truly is an imagesetter for motion pictures, at least an order of magnitude improvement over anything that's even in development. And it's been ready to ship for 2 years.
But thanks to the activities of entrenched business interests, represented by the Consortium, her business is being strangled, and she's now fighting a legal battle she is financially inequipped to fight. Through legal trickery and collusion with secret partners, her competitors managed to steal her $350k prototype right out of the development facility, and she's desperately fighting to get it back before they reverse-engineer it. It's multibillionaire theater owners and film/video technologists vs. the individual inventor, and billions of dollars are at stake. It sucks. Bad.
Well, I left Kentucky back in '49
An' went to Detroit workin' on a 'sembly line
The first year they had me puttin' wheels on cadillacs
Every day I'd watch them beauties roll by
And sometimes I'd hang my head and cry
'Cause I always wanted me one that was long and black.
One day I devised myself a plan
That should be the envy of most any man
I'd sneak it out of there in a lunchbox in my hand
Now gettin' caught meant gettin' fired
But I figured I'd have it all by the time I retired
I'd have me a car worth at least a hundred grand.
CHORUS: I'd get it one piece at a time, and it wouldn't cost me a dime
You'll know it's me when I come through your town
I'm gonna ride around in style, I'm gonna drive everybody wild
'Cause I'll have the only one there is a round.
So the very next day when I punched in
With my big lunchbox and with help from my friends
I left that day with a lunch box full of gears
Now, I never considered myself a thief
GM wouldn't miss just one little piece
Especially if I strung it out over several years.
The first day I got me a fuel pump
And the next day I got me an engine and a trunk
Then I got me a transmission and all of the chrome
The little things I could get in my big lunchbox
Like nuts, an' bolts, and all four shocks
But the big stuff we snuck out in my buddy's mobile home.
Now, up to now my plan went all right
'Til we tried to put it all together one night
And that's when we noticed that something was definitely wrong.
The transmission was a '53, and the motor turned out to be a '73
And when we tried to put in the bolts all the holes were gone.
So we drilled it out so that it would fit
And with a little bit of help with an adaptor kit
We had that engine runnin' just like a song
Now the headlight' was another sight
We had two on the left and one on the right
But when we pulled out the switch all three of 'em come on.
The back end looked kinda funny too
But we put it together and when we got thru
Well, that's when we noticed that we only had one tail-fin
About that time my wife walked out
And I could see in her eyes that she had her doubts
But she opened the door and said "Honey, take me for a spin."
So we drove up town just to get the tags
And I headed her right on down main drag
I could hear everybody laughin' for blocks around
But up there at the court house they didn't laugh
'Cause to type it up it took the whole staff
And when they got through the title weighed sixty pounds.
CHORUS: I got it one piece at a time, and it didn't cost me a dime
You'll know it's me when I come through your town
I'm gonna ride around in style, I'm gonna drive everybody wild
'Cause I'll have the only one there is around.
(Spoken) Ugh! Yow, RED RYDER this is the COTTON MOUTH in the PSYCHO-BILLY CADILLAC Come on
Huh, This is the COTTON MOUTH and negatory on the cost of this mow-chine there RED RYDER, you might say I went right up to the factory and picked it up, it's cheaper that way
Ugh!, what model is it?
Well, It's a '49, '50, '51, '52, '53, '54, '55, '56 '57, '58' 59' automobile
It's a '60, '61, '62, '63, '64, '65, '66, '67 '68, '69, '70 automobile.
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P.S. The slashcode lameness filter should be modified so it doesn't flag song lyrics as too few characters per line. I'm writing this long, irrelevant sentence to kick up the chr/line average above the lameness limit. It doesn't seem to do much to the average, but maybe this additional sentence will do it. Apologies to Johnny Cash for mangling his liyric punctuation. Damn you Taco! Goddammit, I've added line after line and the average is still to low, WTF is it with this lameness filter? It's lame. Dont' bother reading this, it's just irrelevant filler. And this is even more irrelevant filler. Is this how a lameness filter is supposed to work, in a totally lame way? Goddammit, now I'm getting really pissed, I keep checking and I'm still below the char/line limit. Couldn't lameness be indexed to karma so good posters don't have to mangle a short, succinct message with a load of BS to get past the lameness filter?
We're not talking about SCANS here, brainiac, we're talking about rendering. Even so, the current movie scan standard is well above your 2k scan. I have it written down somewhere, but nobody cares because the standard was obsolete when it was created.
In an ideal world, nobody should have to render beyond the target rez. But in the Real World, you always have to oversample.
You are wrong. Standard film rez is 4096x3072, usually rendered at least 4x for oversampling antialiasing. The original remarks were correct.
With that much money, you can buy a gram of ANYTHING.
Bullshit. Bullshit bullshit bullshit.
I've worked with Academy Award winning animators and effects people, and their #1 continual complaint is that their clients have no imagination. They whine that they get asked to do the same effects over and over, because the director saw some effect somewhere else and wants to copy it.
If there really was one gram of creativity anywhere in the movie world, Jackson would write an original script instead of adapting an existing work. Creativity is such boring work, it's easier to copy.
Forget plot, character development, staging, etc. Who needs that crap when you have a couple of thousand cheap microprocessors?
Gimme a fucking break. The Matrix sequel was a flop despite massive improvements in rendering. So will the next Rings movie. They've forgotten they're STORYTELLERS, not architects, generals, etc.
Remember LOTR is a story that sold MILLIONS of copies with no special effects other than a nondescript painting on the cover of the book.
FYI, the Mead article I referred to was written well after her studies in Samoa. The observations centered around Tahiti, not Samoa.
Back when I was a young'n, we had these things called JOBS. We had to walk 5 miles through 6 foot snowdrifts just to get to work, then labored until we were exhausted. And we LIKED it!
Margaret Mead made similar observations about the introduction of TV in Micronesian Islands, back in the 1960s.