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Flight Simulator 2002 With 13 Monitors And 9 PCs

Ant points to Steve Ferris' site demonstrating what Ferris has done "using Wideview software, Multi Monitors and Fs2002 Panel Interior view Bitmaps. 9 PC's & 13 monitors. Server PC is a 2.0ghz AMD and has 1 Asus 4800se G4 AGP and when Motor flying 4 PCI graphic cards for the instrument panels.. All 8 Clients have AGP cards and are AMD 800 to 1.5ghz... My Ask21 Glider with 3 Asus 4800se G4 cards on the front 6 monitors, giving great downward landing view. When you sit in front, all screens line up reasonably well ... Windows XP on the 3 front PC's and 98se on the rest."

392 comments

  1. But does it run on Wine? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    No, probably not.

    1. Re:But does it run on Wine? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Flamebait? FLAMEBAIT? Come on! That was clearly meant as a joke!

    2. Re:But does it run on Wine? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hah, lets see Linux do that..............

    3. Re:But does it run on Wine? by arose · · Score: 2, Informative

      You mean Flightgear?

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  2. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 5, Funny

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  3. Holy Moly by DataPath · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Now here's a guy who loves his flight simulator!

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    1. Re:Holy Moly by VoyagerRadio · · Score: 1

      That sounds like that movie, "Brain Storm".

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    2. Re:Holy Moly by jinglecat · · Score: 0

      Can't go wrong with multiple monitors and Christopher Walken.

    3. Re:Holy Moly by the_PRODUCE_mgr · · Score: 2, Funny

      So realistic that when you crash you die in real life. Where do I sign up?

  4. thats pretty cool by ReLik · · Score: 1, Funny

    but you`d need 4heads to be able to look at all those horizontal screens, wow 4 heads, now that WOULD be impressive.

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    1. Re:thats pretty cool by Uber+Banker · · Score: 1

      But only 1 ear would allow you to hear the roar of the fans in those eh... boxes.

    2. Re:thats pretty cool by shadowbearer · · Score: 1, Funny

      It'd sound pretty realistic for a lot of small planes, then :-)

      SB

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  5. yikes... by AEton · · Score: 1, Funny

    For the price of all that hardware, it'd probably be a lot more rewarding if he'd just purchased an aircraft. (Not sure how he'd manage to snag a 747, actually)

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    1. Re:yikes... by neonstz · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      (Not sure how he'd manage to snag a 747, actually)

      He can always borrow one at an african airport.

    2. Re:yikes... by welthqa · · Score: 5, Funny

      No. Having a computer to simulate any aircraft. as well as the awesome bragging rights is and will continue to be better than anything you can ever put up, save 14+ monitors. This man is godlike and should be treated as such. Can you even imagine how much better he is than us? millions of times better. godlike, man. GODLIKE.

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    3. Re:yikes... by netsharc · · Score: 2, Informative
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    4. Re:yikes... by seanadams.com · · Score: 5, Informative

      Rough guess

      CRTs: 10 x $250 = 2500
      TFTs: 3 x $650 = 1950
      Vid cards: 13 x $250 = 3250
      PCs: 9 x $500 = 4500

      So about $15K altogether, give or take a couple K.

    5. Re:yikes... by mla_anderson · · Score: 1

      still cheaper than the real thing.

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    6. Re:yikes... by Quarters · · Score: 4, Informative

      A pilot's license will run you, on average, about $5,000.00. That can vary depending on how many hours you need before you're cleared for your checkride, but $5k is a pretty decent round estimate. That leaves $10k. Most places charge (again on average), about $80 - $85 per hour for a rental Cessna 172. Even using the $85 number that equals about 118 hours of pilot-in-command time. Figure abot 40 hrs to get the license and that means $15k will get you a real life pilot's license and about 160 hours of flight time. That's a far better value, with some tangible returns for the money invested, than a bunch of PCs that will be obsolete in 3 years and just simulated stick time.

    7. Re:yikes... by The+Clockwork+Troll · · Score: 2, Funny
      actually that was a 737 we took, and we promise we are bringing it back soon.

      we are just getting it washed for you, yes that is it, that is the tikrit.

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    8. Re:yikes... by pyrote · · Score: 1

      I can gaurantee I haven't spent that much on hardware (or the scaled down verson of those figures) but my basement is full of mediocre crap(read 800-1.5ghz comps+ monitors) like that. a visit to goodwill or the salvation army will make it happen.

      the only major investment for him was prolly the video cards and the power bill running the CRT's.

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    9. Re:yikes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      CRTs: 10 x $250 = 2500
      TFTs: 3 x $650 = 1950
      Vid cards: 13 x $250 = 3250
      PCs: 9 x $500 = 4500
      Realising you could have gotten a pilot's license thrice over for this kind of money: Priceless.
    10. Re:yikes... by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 2, Funny
      Figure abot 40 hrs to get the license and that means $15k will get you a real life pilot's license and about 160 hours of flight time. That's a far better value, with some tangible returns for the money invested, than a bunch of PCs that will be obsolete in 3 years and just simulated stick time.

      Well, you kind of forgot the part about not dying when you crash your flight simulator airplane. ;-)

    11. Re:yikes... by agent0range_ · · Score: 1

      If he has gone to such lengths, it is likely he already has his license. My father (a pilot) spends a lot of time using Flight Simulator, and I don't see anything here to suggest the author is not himself a licensed aviator.

      As for the cost, it's ridiculous to conclude that all the hardware was bought for the dedicated task of setting up his simulator. Shit, how many of us here have that much hardware lying around? Many of us could piece together something simlar from the parts scattered around our respective apartments/homes/parent's basements...

    12. Re:yikes... by Idarubicin · · Score: 1
      Not sure how he'd manage to snag a 747, actually

      I don't know about a 747, but snagging a 727 seems not to be terribly difficult.

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    13. Re:yikes... by homebru · · Score: 2, Informative

      The ASK-21 (1) sailplane shown in the sim photos is a fiberglass younger brother of the Schleicher Ka-7 (2) (proven steel tube & fabric technology).

      Although prices fluctuate during the summer soaring season, there was a Ka-7 for sale this spring (in England) with an asking price of GBP2500. Less than a third the cost of simulation.
      Both birds can be found in the USA. Price and availability vary according to present owner's situation.

      Notes:

      1. Schleicher ASK-21

      2. Schleicher Ka-7

    14. Re:yikes... by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      I think I find the non-glass cockpits to be a bit more impressive.

    15. Re:yikes... by Tacky+the+Penguin · · Score: 1

      Rough guess

      CRTs: 10 x $250 = 2500
      TFTs: 3 x $650 = 1950
      Vid cards: 13 x $250 = 3250
      PCs: 9 x $500 = 4500

      So about $15K altogether, give or take a couple K.



      For that, you might as well throw in a few more bucks and buy the damn plane.

    16. Re:yikes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you sir, and your prices should put the crack pipe down.

      i hope you read this, because you are dumbass.

    17. Re:yikes... by cscx · · Score: 1

      How's that flamebait? I thought it was pretty damn funny myself?

    18. Re:yikes... by cameldrv · · Score: 1

      Yeah but the expenses of maintaining and flying it are going to be a hell of a lot more than 2500 pounds over a few years.

    19. Re:yikes... by wazlaf · · Score: 1

      I wonder how he is able to synchronize all of the computers... Is Flight Simulator able to do that or do you need third party software?

    20. Re:yikes... by homebru · · Score: 1

      Not really. Gliders avoid most of the expense of other aircraft by not carrying onboard engines. (Most of the expense of flying is gas and engine maintenance.) Your actual fixed expenses amount to annual inspection, insurance, and hangar/tie-down fees. Partner up with one or two friends and you're looking at only a few hundred dollars a year. You'll pay more than that in rental if you're flying regularly.

      Variable expenses are basically tow/launch fees. Those are the same whether you fly your own bird or rent and are probably the biggest cost. But you only need one ten-minute tow for a flight that can last for hours. (If you're good enough.)

      And here's the best part. When you decide to sell after a few years, you'll probably be able to get your original investment back. I sold my bird after four years for 30% more than I paid.

      And, getting back on topic, no office chair (even with Homedic 10-motor vibrating massage pad) will give the same thrill as circling in a 5 m/s thermal or ... Naw, you just gotta be there.

    21. Re:yikes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet this is flamebait because the moderators have no knowledge of current affairs and hence don't know that a 747 *was* stolen from an african airport.

    22. Re:yikes... by cameldrv · · Score: 1

      Yeah I know all of that, but if you fly a lot, you'll be spending at least 800 a year in tow fees. Believe me, I do, and I haven't found a glider simulator that gives me the same dumbass grin you get from finding yourself exactly 500' below cloudbase...

    23. Re:yikes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hahaha, you remind me of my grandpa - but he died.

      And now I'm sad

  6. Uh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why don't you take some real flying lessons, and maybe buy a plane?

    1. Re:Uh by sahonen · · Score: 5, Informative

      My father's a pilot, I've seen him go plane shopping. For a 30 year old 4-seater it usually costs a bit more than a new luxury car, so they'd have to all be HD plasma displays before they'd even approach the cost of a new plane. Oh, and before you ask... A 30 year old plane is quite flyable. Heck, we have military planes that are over 50 years old and still flying into enemy air. Pilots pay much more attention to aircraft maintenance than most drivers, 'cause when your engine goes out at 7,500 feet, it's a little bit more serious than when it goes out at 0.

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    2. Re:Uh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a joke for people who own 1 monitor.

      Obviously you're a multi-monitor type of guy, or have no sense of humor.

      and p.s. I know a 30 year old plane is flyable.

    3. Re:Uh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've taken flying lessons and after about 38 hours in a Grumman Cheetah, I realised that the $200 (AUS$) per hour could be doing a lot more paying off my house.

      Sure, nothing beats actually flying (hopefully i'll get back to it at some stage), but the ongoing costs are enormous. Once this guy has got himself set up, it costs him nothing (apart from time and a few kilowatt hours of electricity) to fly across the Pacific. If I finally get my private pilots licence (about a $14k AUS investment), i've still got to rent a plane to fly. I'd still have to upgrade to IFR rating to fly anything other than fair weather during the day. I'd have to get a multi-engine endorsement to fly an even more expensive plane.

      So yes, nothing quite beats the arenaline of real flying, but this is the closest thing to it at an affordable price. That's why i'm going to invest in a decent yoke and rudders, a copy of flight sim 2004, and some other nice gadgets to make my flightsim experience all the more realistic.

    4. Re:Uh by qqtortqq · · Score: 1

      Screw the license, you don't need it. What are they gonna do, pull you over and ask for your license and plane title?

    5. Re:Uh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      and before you ask... A 30 year old plane is quite flyable.

      But after I ask it crashes to the ground?

    6. Re:Uh by The+Clockwork+Troll · · Score: 5, Funny
      Why don't you take some real flying lessons, and maybe buy a plane?
      Totally agree with your careful conclusion.

      For the same reason, although we think Halo would be fun as fuck running on 16+ monitor screens, my friends and I have opted instead to take real sniping lessons, and buy a warthog.

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    7. Re:Uh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but an AIM-9 up your arse is not unreasonable if you behave suspiciously enough. Let's just say airspace is a bit more monitored nowadays. :)

    8. Re:Uh by homebru · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are three ways to get aloft:

      1. Rent an aircraft. To do this, you'll have to show pilot's license, current medical certificate, and your log book(s). Absent these credentials, you won't be renting and the owner may take it upon himself to call the local law enforcement about "the terrorist".
      2. Buy an aircraft. The seller will want to see your credentials so he knows he isn't selling to either a suicide or "a terrorist". If he does, he's in trouble.
      3. Steal an aircraft. At least for this, you don't have to show paperwork. But you will be wanting to (at least) buy gasoline and, once the theft is discovered, every airport in the country will be watching for a plane stolen by "a terrorist".


      Without the experience gained while earning a license, and no matter how much sim time you have, your first landing will probably be spectacular enough to have someone asking to see your license. And refusal to produce your license is like refusal to take an breath-alcohol exam; automatic guilty.

      Smart mouth works right up to the point of endangering the lives of others. Past that point, there are real, not simulated, consequences.

    9. Re:Uh by thx2001r · · Score: 1

      When you crash in Flight Simulator, you don't die.

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    10. Re:Uh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      when your engine goes out at 7,500 feet, it's a little bit more serious than when it goes out at 0.

      Yeah, but it still sucks to be stranded when the tide comes in.

    11. Re:Uh by mnemonic_ · · Score: 1

      50 year old military aircraft? B-52's which have had nearly every part in them replaced since the 1950's don't really count as being 50 years old.

    12. Re:Uh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the natural selection rule! Pilots who don't care about the maintenance, do not live too long. Thus, on the average, only the pilots who care about the maintenance survive, which, in return, increases the life expectancy of the planes :)

    13. Re:Uh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I seriously doubt the airframe has been replaced; hence, 50 year old planes.

    14. Re:Uh by Rick+the+Red · · Score: 1
      1) Halo will only play on up to 4 screens. You can try "16+" but it won't work. Which is too damn bad; 16 screens would be nice with 16 players.

      2) Let me know when you find a warthog dealership; I'd like one, too.

      3) The only sniping lessons I've ever got from paintball is when I was sniped. Who's your teacher?

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    15. Re:Uh by standsolid · · Score: 1

      For the same reason, although we think Halo would be fun as fuck running on 16+ monitor screens, my friends and I have opted instead to take real sniping lessons, and buy a warthog.

      i assume you mean the puma

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    16. Re:Uh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is there anymore makeup animals you'd like to talk about son? Sergeant, I want you to poison his next meal.

    17. Re:Uh by phliar · · Score: 1
      when your engine goes out at 7,500 feet...
      I wouldn't sweat too much if my engine went out at 7,500 AGL (above the ground) -- you should always have a landing site picked out, and from 7,500 you have quite a large area to choose from. A glide ratio of 10:1 is a reasonable assumption for a non-sailplane, so from 7,500 you can glide 15 miles. (However there are some situations -- like losing one engine of a twin on take-off -- that can be quite exciting.)

      I'd worry more about the other systems on the airplane: for example, the vacuum pump. It's quite common to fly in weather (IMC, Instrument Meteorological Conditions) with vacuum-driven AI (attitude indicator, the artificial horizon) and one engine-driven vacuum pump. If that pump fails (not uncommon) in IMC, well... it's something pilots do practice (it's called "partial panel") but practicing is one thing, actually flying a partial-panel approach in the clouds when it's dark and bumpy is another. (I hope I never have to do that.) Redundancy is what you pay for. Dual electrical systems, dual vacuum pumps (or preferably no vacuum-driven instruments), HSI instead of AI, approach-certified GPS (preferably two), and now glass cockpits and laser-ring gyros instead of the mechanical ones -- that's what runs into serious money. Avionics can cost as much (or more) than the engine or the airframe.

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  7. When you sit in front... by dynoman7 · · Score: 4, Funny

    When you sit in front, all screens line up reasonably well ...

    WHERE ELSE ARE YOU GOING TO SIT?!?!

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    1. Re:When you sit in front... by qqtortqq · · Score: 1

      Maybe he has monitors set up as side windows?

    2. Re:When you sit in front... by KingDaveRa · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'd like to know where the in-flight movie is. Is there a monitor behind his seat with it on?

    3. Re:When you sit in front... by Idarubicin · · Score: 1
      A crash reduces
      Your expensive computer
      To a simple stone.

      You know, your sig haiku takes on a whole new meaning in this context...

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  8. That'll do wonders for pr0n by kaltkalt · · Score: 5, Funny

    seriously...wow.

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    1. Re:That'll do wonders for pr0n by SN74S181 · · Score: 2, Funny

      One of the best things about pornography is that it takes so many slope-foreheads out of the gene pool.

    2. Re:That'll do wonders for pr0n by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bukkake videos will suddenly become more interesting. Imagine being in the middle of a circle jerk. eek

    3. Re:That'll do wonders for pr0n by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Imagine being in the middle of a circle jerk.
      We're on Slashdot. We don't have to imagine.
    4. Re:That'll do wonders for pr0n by JDWTopGuy · · Score: 1

      A pr0n joke posted only 5 minutes after the story was. That's the efficiency of slashdot forya.

      What the heck: Imagine a MOSIX or beowulf cluster of these using the evil bit to transmit "all your base are belong to us" in soviet russia!

      seriously...wow.

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    5. Re:That'll do wonders for pr0n by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1
      Wow. Imagine a beowulf cluster of porn in Soviet Union being watched by YOU!

    6. Re:That'll do wonders for pr0n by JDWTopGuy · · Score: 1

      OK, now what?

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    7. Re:That'll do wonders for pr0n by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Uh ok, here is something funny.

      Hopefully he will discover the unified field theory soon.

      Nothing like a lyrical explanation of the Entropy and the second law of thermodynamics( listen to the second verse in the song for the deffinition).

      Great now can I join your friends list for the jokes in your journal?

    8. Re:That'll do wonders for pr0n by JDWTopGuy · · Score: 1

      :-) Oh boy, another fan! I should probably think of something funny to add to the journal now...

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    9. Re:That'll do wonders for pr0n by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1
      My sig should help with the jokes there. :-)

      How about......

      "Perl actually stands for the Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister) but don't tell anyone I said that" - Perl manpages

      "At one time, we joked about selling this to the Soviets to set their computer science progress back 20 or more years.......We stopped when we got a clean compile on the following syntax:

      for(;P("\n"),R-;P("|"))for(e=C;e-;P("_"+(*u++/8) %2 ))P("| "+(*u/4)%2
      " -Dennis Ritchie joking about the creation of C as a sick April fools joke

      "Never stick an electrical appliance down your pants " -Tim Allen

      "A dog will look up to you, a cat will look down on you, but a pig will look at you right in the eyes" -Winston Churchill

      That is my contribution to your journal.

    10. Re:That'll do wonders for pr0n by JDWTopGuy · · Score: 1

      Just added it, thanks!

      Now I suppose we should stop clogging this thread with offtopic comments, so please reply to the journal entry if you'd like to write anything. Thanks!

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    11. Re:That'll do wonders for pr0n by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oooh... someone tried to be witty...

    12. Re:That'll do wonders for pr0n by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Imagine being in the middle of a circle jerk.
      We're on Slashdot. We don't have to imagine.

      One of the few funny things I've ever read on Slashdot, and of course it's not modded as such.

    13. Re:That'll do wonders for pr0n by Zork+the+Almighty · · Score: 1

      I would have modded it as such, it's fucking hilarious.

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  9. Flight simulator har har by rkz · · Score: 5, Funny

    Flight simulator my arse, hes only saying that because of his wife!!! the real reason is his DVD porn collection!

  10. Realism by sk3tch · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...incredible crash realism thanks to our friend Windows 98. :)

    1. Re:Realism by msgmonkey · · Score: 4, Funny

      Probably sounds like a plane too with all those Case/CPU fans :)

    2. Re:Realism by Fishead · · Score: 1

      "Windows XP on the 3 front pc's and 98se on the rest"

      I was wondering about the licensing costs associated with the operating systems. Hopefully he is running legit copies, but at over a hundred bucks a piece, that is almost a thousand bucks for OS's alone! Combine that with the fact that the EULA for MS Flight Sim probably says something about the number of pc's it can be installed on... Don't you love OSS?

    3. Re:Realism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      most PCs come with bundled windows at a cost of 60 bucks to the OEM

    4. Re:Realism by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      OMG OMG OMG

      You so funny, long time!

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    5. Re:Realism by JDWTopGuy · · Score: 3, Funny

      When he gets tired of this setup, that can be his next project: an ultralite plane made from computer cases and using case/CPU fans for power.

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    6. Re:Realism by *xpenguin* · · Score: 1

      Don't you love OSS?

      With OSS, this would never be possible.

  11. Go for realism? by secolactico · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nice, nice. But, isn't that seatbelt on the chair taking things a bit too far?

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    1. Re:Go for realism? by msgmonkey · · Score: 4, Funny

      Thats for his own safety, just incase all those monitors come crashing down on him :)

    2. Re:Go for realism? by BladeMelbourne · · Score: 3, Funny

      After increasing the GAMMA Correction, I saw his speakers under the lower/center monitor. They look rather small, and their seperation is not good for locating other aircraft by listening to where the sound is coming from.

      If he wants extra realism, he should have a 4 speaker system FL + FR + BL + BR with a sub-woofer to annoy the neighbours at 3AM.

      For the price of all those monitors, I would rather purchase a 23" CRT, if I had the money.

    3. Re:Go for realism? by Unoriginal+Nick · · Score: 4, Funny
      After increasing the GAMMA Correction, I saw his speakers under the lower/center monitor. They look rather small, and their seperation is not good for locating other aircraft by listening to where the sound is coming from.

      Uh, those are rudder pedals, not speakers. ;-)

    4. Re:Go for realism? by null-sRc · · Score: 1

      hey, if i was playing infront of that many monitors, the motion sickness would make me fall out of my chair..

      were it not for the seatbealt of couse.. :D

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    5. Re:Go for realism? by localghost · · Score: 1

      That's a joystick, actually.

    6. Re:Go for realism? by Jad+LaFields · · Score: 1

      Really? It sure looks like a seatbelt/harness to me.

      Do joysticks regularly come with wide belts to strap them down nowadays? =)

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    7. Re:Go for realism? by Surak · · Score: 1

      Well, you don't want him to get pulled over do you? :)

    8. Re:Go for realism? by GR1NCH · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure those 'seatbelt straps' are just the straps he used to 'tie' the joystick to the chair.

    9. Re:Go for realism? by mog · · Score: 5, Funny

      I fail to see how being strapped down below 13 falling monitors adds to your safety.

    10. Re:Go for realism? by Dylan+Zimmerman · · Score: 1

      You think that a seatbelt is too much? I've used a flight sim where the entire physical interface is the cockpit of an F-16 that was decommissioned. It has the original stick along with all of the gauges, meters, and displays that go inside the cockpit. They all work and interface flawlessly with the sim software. I really wish that I could find a computer joystick that simulated the one inside an F-16 well, but all of the computer joysticks that I can find move WAY too much. A real F-16's stick moves perhaps three degrees in any given direction as opposed to the Sidewinder, which moves more like 30. Sticks like that take a lot of practice to use effectively, but they work very well once you're used to them.

      As if that's not expensive enough, the software end of the sim that I'm talking about is run by no less than seven 42U racks full of SGI computers. The display is a set of three high-resolution projection monitors that give you about an 85 degree field of view. Theyâ(TM)re about 4 feet tall and perhaps six feet away. The only real problem is that things look a little odd when moving from one display to another.

      I really don't want to think about how much this thing costs to run, let alone how much it cost to build.

    11. Re:Go for realism? by Ralgha · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A real general aviation airplane is loud. Very loud. My headset has roughly 50dB of noise attunation, and it's still not quiet.
      Obviously you're not going to be able to locate another airplane by the sound of it, you won't even hear it at all.
      You don't need a good sound system to simulate flying, just a speaker that can survive producing really loud sound.

    12. Re:Go for realism? by dougmc · · Score: 1
      A real general aviation airplane is loud. Very loud.
      Yes it is.

      However, in the picture given, this guy is simulating a glider. They're relatively quiet. :)

      (He also says `My Ask21' ... so maybe he already owns a plane -- an Ask21 glider.)

    13. Re:Go for realism? by Ralgha · · Score: 1

      Good point, but I'd be very surprised if that was the only thing he flew with that sim.

    14. Re:Go for realism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice, nice. But, isn't that seatbelt on the chair taking things a bit too far?

      It's not a seatbelt. He's tied the joystick in position, and also extended it a bit.

    15. Re:Go for realism? by schroet · · Score: 1

      Well at least it's OSHA compliant.

    16. Re:Go for realism? by shadowbearer · · Score: 1

      That's why one pipes it thru a 100watt/channel stereo :-)

      (Neighbors: WTF are you doing over there, running a lawnmower?)

      SB

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    17. Re:Go for realism? by dougmc · · Score: 1
      Good point, but I'd be very surprised if that was the only thing he flew with that sim.
      It's not. There's pictures of other planes (the cockpit view anyways) on the site. He seems to like the commercial jets -- probably because their cockpits are very excessive :)

      It may be the one he flies the most, however. There's just something ... elegant about a glider.

      (personally, I like my R/C planes, and yes, several are gliders.)

    18. Re:Go for realism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah and that empty bottle of JB under the chair - way too far

    19. Re:Go for realism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know an instructor that wounldn't think so. He was in the habit of simulatoring circutl breaker failures where you can't reach.

    20. Re:Go for realism? by Genda · · Score: 1

      There's an airbag in his pants!

    21. Re:Go for realism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, he's just pleased to see you.

    22. Re:Go for realism? by smeenz · · Score: 1

      I thought it was there to secure his joystick for those times when he's really yanking it hard to one side.

      Joystick (n). Computing peripheral used by consenting adults.

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  13. Not sure how he'd manage to snag a 747 by dynoman7 · · Score: 3, Funny

    ebay

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    1. Re:Not sure how he'd manage to snag a 747 by pyrote · · Score: 1

      It's only a model.

      Shhhhhh....

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    2. Re:Not sure how he'd manage to snag a 747 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anonymous Cowards: Admitting that your Karma is too low to speak your mind as yourself.

      Right on!

  14. huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    13 monitors... not one is blue.

  15. IMAX by sahonen · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Now all we need is flight simulator in an IMAX dome. Now THAT would rock. Though the hardware to do that many pixels would prolly be more expensive than lessons, and an IMAX theater prolly goes for more than the $50/hr a plane usually costs.

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    1. Re:IMAX by Jad+LaFields · · Score: 1

      That would be awesome. OT, but I recently saw the Matrix in IMAX, front row seat... I thought the sound system was going to shake me out of my seat.

      Now if one could just BUY an IMAX dome... now I have another reason to want to become rich =)

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    2. Re:IMAX by thx2001r · · Score: 1

      How about using this one?

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    3. Re:IMAX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know where you rent planes, but I have never seen one go for less than $76/hr and that's just a Cessna 152. Hell, you won't find anything with two engines for under $150/hr that I have seen.

  16. speakers by Frostalicious · · Score: 4, Funny


    Cool, but where are his speakers?

    1. Re:speakers by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      Aren't you supposed to line up the tweeters more of less with the ears of the listener?

    2. Re:speakers by Frostalicious · · Score: 1

      Aren't you supposed to line up the tweeters more of less with the ears of the listener?

      You are right. After I took this picture, I turned the speakers upside down to give a soundstage in front of me.

    3. Re:speakers by grasshoppah · · Score: 1

      Man I hope those are shielded a) so his monitor will survive b) so that he may still be able to father children

    4. Re:speakers by bob65 · · Score: 1

      uhhh are those magnetically shielded?

    5. Re:speakers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But on the bright side, he may not be able to father children.

    6. Re:speakers by Frostalicious · · Score: 1

      Yes they are shielded. But the amp wasn't so I had to move it. My sperm count appears unaffected.

    7. Re:speakers by ralphclark · · Score: 1

      Right but have you considered the damage these speakers must surely be doing to your inner ear?

    8. Re:speakers by Frostalicious · · Score: 1

      Right but have you considered the damage these speakers must surely be doing to your inner ear?

      You are assuming a lot. Ear damage is related to dB levels, pitch and duration of exposure. It is unrelated to size of speaker. I can listen safely simply by not turning them up too much.

    9. Re:speakers by ralphclark · · Score: 1

      I would have thought that speakers of that size must be designed to dissipate at least 150W. If you drive them at much lower levels, surely you won't get anything like a linear frequency response. Wouldn't you be better off with smaller speakers for close listening?

    10. Re:speakers by Frostalicious · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure of the wattage rating, I would guess around 250W. Wattage ratings are almost meaningless anyways. A high end 60 watt class A amp will out drive some 500 watt sparkomatic garbage amp.

      The speakers sound fine at all reasonable sound levels. Good speakers pretty much require this ability, as music is not constant volume. That being said, they do indeed sound better in a bigger room at a greater listening distance. I'm not sure of the precise reasons for this. I suspect the angular difference from my head to the tweeters/midrange/woofer has something to do with it.

      However, my current apartment does not permit me to place the speakers more effectively. Fortunately, I am moving and will commit a 12x12 bedroom into a computer room, and can then better place the speakers.

  17. There's a flaw in the simulation by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Funny

    With all them PCs running under his desk, the guy must be wondering why he still hears the wind roars when his plane is parked.

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    1. Re:There's a flaw in the simulation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      They're AMD's too, so the room always feels like a burning plane wreck.

  18. So... by Spoticus · · Score: 5, Funny

    when the win98 machines BSOD in succession, do the wings fall off?

    1. Re:So... by SN74S181 · · Score: 1

      Win98 machines can't "BSOD" because the blue 'hex dump' screen that represents a BSOD (which contains debug information that is useful in figuring out why the crash happened) is an NT-only feature.

      People who talk about Windows 98 "BSOD's" discredit themselves.

    2. Re:So... by BlueRibbon · · Score: 1

      I don't thing you're right.
      Blue Screen Of Death applies to Win98, or haven't you seen that blue screen with explorer.exe error, that makes you restart?
      Altough, I do believe that the original designation for BSOD came from the NT systems.

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    3. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're so WRONG it's not even funny. BSOD's have existed at least since Windows 3.0, it's just that they got the hex dump look in Windows NT. FYI, a WinDOS BSOD looks like this and not like this, which is an NT BSOD.

    4. Re:So... by The+Clockwork+Troll · · Score: 1
      People who talk about Windows 98 "BSOD's" discredit themselves.
      The helpful screens in Win9x that pop up to tell you about unresponsive applications, VxD driver failures, etc. might as well count as BSoDs because they are blue and invariably spell impending doom anyway.
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    5. Re:So... by shadowbearer · · Score: 1

      Damnation, I wasn't sure about this, so I went googling for it, and found this.

      You're right.

      SB

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    6. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Why do all these lame Windows = crash (har har)

      jokes keep getting modded up? Think of a new fucking joke people - and moderators HELLO!

      Yeah Windows sucks and Linux cures cancer and all sorts of shit but these lame ass jokes ARENT FUNNY any more. Especially when we're talking about an old ass technology like Win 98. Who cares about Win 98 any more? God Dammit! Lets rip on Windows 3.1 or DOS 2.0 while were at it. You fucks.

    7. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      and invariably spell impending doom anyway.

      Not true...

      1. copy files off CD
      2. press eject halfway through
      3. re-inject CD and press enter


      Completely harmless blue screen. Win9x had a lot of them. It more often led to a lack of trust in stability than any real lack of stability (Oh no! I saw a blue screen, that's the BSoD! I need to reboot!). This is barring any actual hardware issues or system misconfiguration, of course. Those invariably spell impending doom.
    8. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Think of a new fucking joke people - and moderators HELLO!

      You must not have been here for "Step 3: Profit!".

      Lets rip on Windows 3.1 or DOS 2.0 while were at it.

      Sure, right after I re-arrange this blind persons furniture and tell some hydrocephalic kid his head's going to grow until it explodes.

  19. Mirror by spydir31 · · Score: 2, Informative

    expecting this to get slashdotted,
    here's my mirror.
    contains large images, please don't kill me needlessly

  20. Hot Dog by Scot+Seese · · Score: 4, Funny

    ..I've always wondered what it feels like to be a hotdog inside a microwave oven.. There's a guy that knows!

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    1. Re:Hot Dog by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1
      "I've always wondered what it feels like to be a hotdog inside a microwave oven"

      Ouch. I sure would not.

      Go stick a hot dog in your microwave without poking holes in it to get a basic idea.

    2. Re:Hot Dog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can someone please explain what's interesting about the parent post? Are you guys on crack?

  21. Ahh it burns, the pain! by Alystair · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That room must be great for loosing a few pounds, you know, like in a sauna? My room only has 4 machines in it with 2 displays and it's a hot house....

  22. Heaven by deathcow · · Score: 1

    Looks awesome. I've tried flying touch-n-gos in those Flight Simulators, and having only straight ahead views makes it impossible to judge when to start your turns. Switching between views sucks.

  23. Gah! by drudd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    *wipes drool off of floor*

    Does anyone remember battletech? It was kind of like an arcade, but just with the one game, a Mech type battle simulator, complete with cockpit, joystick, and multiple screens for views just like this. I remember playing at the Navy Pier in Chicago many years ago....

    It's amazing how much multiple screens increases the realism. You look left, right, and there's still more game!

    Doug

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    1. Re:Gah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "Dave and Busters" in the local Great Mall (Milpitas, California) has a battletech simulator up and running. Not quite as high-poly as some of the other games there, but it's interesting for the immersion factor if nothing else.

    2. Re:Gah! by el-spectre · · Score: 1

      The Bave and Busters in Ontario, CA has a battletech rig still. I played last night and they told me that a new version is arriving next week.

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    3. Re:Gah! by qqtortqq · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, I never got a chance to try this, but Wolfenstien 3D had a mode that would allow you to hook up 2 other computers to your main one using a serial cable, and have the slave computers display "left" and "right". The idea was to position the computers so you could look left and right into them. I don't know anyone who ever tried this, but im very suprised that this never was an option in games after Wolfenstien.

    4. Re:Gah! by zedmelon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The D&B in Denver (south side) has battletech as well.

      I'm not surprised to hear it's an old game; if it was a one-screen setup, it would be junk, but get in those pods, close the door, and you're right about immersion factor. With several friends it can be fun--almost worth the massive credits cost to your game card. With inter-cockpit coms, it would really be a blast.

      I found the actual gameplay extremely frustrating, and the jackass attendant wouldn't show me how to get it out of beginner mode with its crappy unidirectional look/fire/run.

      "Well, that's something you just don't do until you've played 20 times or so."

      I didn't know I'd be shooting my own foot by telling him this had been my first game. *smacks forehead* He gave me the impression that the skill level was set in the same computer he used to put our names above our pods.

      I wouldn't have played again except for advice from a veteran standing around waiting for his buddies. He gave us a few pointers and told me how to set the machine to let me walk and fire in separate directions.

      There are about seven jillion controls inside the pods, and in expert mode, you have to worry about locational damage and keep track of things like coolant, oil pressure, losing this weapon or that system, conserving ammo, etc. You gotta make more cash than I do... Jeez.

      Expert Man even said he'd be leaving it set on medium.

      "I've only been playing 2 or 3 times a month lately, so I've been keeping it on intermediate."
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    5. Re:Gah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever notice how the Great Mall of Milpitas is actually only a shopping center simulator itself?

    6. Re:Gah! by jericho4.0 · · Score: 1

      IIRC, you could do that with Doom (the original) also.

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    7. Re:Gah! by Zebbers · · Score: 1

      remember? its still around. just played a round last month at Dave&Busters in cleveland :)

      its fun watching the replays of you kicking your friends ass

    8. Re:Gah! by Cedric+C.+Girouard · · Score: 1
      Does anyone remember battletech? It was kind of like an arcade, but just with the one game, a Mech type battle simulator, complete with cockpit, joystick, and multiple screens for views just like this. I remember playing at the Navy Pier in Chicago many years ago....
      It's amazing how much multiple screens increases the realism. You look left, right, and there's still more game!


      Please, do not remind me. We had a Virtual World center with 16 "pods" linked up. I painfully remember the 10,000$ I spent there in one year. And I probably have all the score sheets to prove it. Multiple display, network play, and a great game. THAT is addiction at it's best.

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    9. Re:Gah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a nightmare simulator during Christmas.

    10. Re:Gah! by RabidMonkey · · Score: 1

      I was there a while ago and didn't notice it .. where was it?

      That place is so damned expensive, but has fun games....

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    11. Re:Gah! by Wolfrider · · Score: 1

      --I played the Navy Pier Battletech as well... Most fun interactive-computing experience I ever had. They ran on Apple computers, IIRC - and that was probably 7 or 8 years ago.

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    12. Re:Gah! by el-spectre · · Score: 1

      Way in the back,it's hard to give directions in that building, but there are like 8 pods, just ask for directions.

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    13. Re:Gah! by GlassUser · · Score: 1

      Up to version 1.2. I don't believe it was available in the most popular, 1.666

    14. Re:Gah! by Mork29 · · Score: 1

      They moved it from North Piere to Dave and Buster in Chicago about 5 years ago. It was still there as of 3 years ago, although I can't say it's current state today. That was amazing though. You could always hook up a setup like this guy and buy MechWarrior 4, which has better graphics and gameplay anyways. That "arcade" version was hurt by a lack of jumpjets. Oh yea, and if your curious, the originaly retail per pod, was about 30k, although I'm sure that's dropped alot!

  24. So how much... by SharpFang · · Score: 1, Interesting

    ...does that "expensive equipment" cost? I gues Al Quaida didn't need anything more sophisticated. And I wonder when this kind of software and hardware gets banned by the government because it may be used by terrorists?

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    1. Re:So how much... by ipjohnson · · Score: 1

      Actually if they buy the add on 747 package for the cockpit and FMC you only would need one machine and its more than real enough. rembere they didn't have to land only bank it through some turns and maintain an altitude.

    2. Re:So how much... by Suicide · · Score: 1

      In other news, box cutters get banned because they might be used by terrorists. So do shoelaces, after being used as a strangulation weapon. How far is too far? Can you ever ban everything that might be used for wrongdoing, and would you even want to try?

    3. Re:So how much... by mnemonic_ · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Al Qaeda probably doesn't even need a simulator. Flying is easier than most people think-- people with no flying experience have landed aircraft under the coaching of another. Flying into a building does not require as much precision.

    4. Re:So how much... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eh, that is so wrong. Experiments have shown that very few people manage to land aircrafts under the coaching of another. And that is probably on their lucky day too.

    5. Re:So how much... by smeenz · · Score: 1

      It's not the flying per se that's difficult, it's the knowing-what-to-do-immediately-when-something-goes -wrong, that a trained pilot has in his head.

      It's not hard to drive a formula one racing car either, or to fly to the moon, but both require a far bit of preparation and training.

  25. Now, for an even better screen by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 1

    Separate all the screen tubes from their plastic casings, line them up together, then weld the tube edges together with a blowtorch. You might need to degauss all the screens when you're done.

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    1. Re:Now, for an even better screen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Blowtorch ? Real tinkerers such as this gentleman use DUCT-TAPE ! And no degauss needed ;)

    2. Re:Now, for an even better screen by GlassUser · · Score: 1

      I bet you could get away with deguassing only one, after they were welded together. :)

  26. Addition by Scot+Seese · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Addition: He could have purchased a low-hour used ultralight for what he paid for this setup.

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    1. Re:Addition by shadowbearer · · Score: 1

      and they are much, much cheaper to fly, and wonderfully responsive besides (note, it's been ten years since I flew one, I'd bet the newer ones are even more fun :-)

      SB

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    2. Re:Addition by llauren · · Score: 1

      Actually, wouldn't three video projectors have done the same job, with more immersion and at a cheaper price?

      • ~llaurén
  27. Re:Wow! by SharpFang · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Doh, you've never seen a BSOD on a telebeam? The kind that displays commercials on walls of buildings? THAT is some neat M$ commercial!

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  28. Re:Wow! by Loosewire · · Score: 0, Troll

    you mean they actually run those things on M$ - ahahhaha i would at least use MAC if not Linux.

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  29. Need some flat panel displays by j0e_average · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Nine PCs and 13 monitors???? He must have one hell of an electric bill, not to mention that that room probably heat up to 103 with the a/c going full tilt.

  30. I hope his chair rotates slowly by sprior · · Score: 2, Funny

    So he'll get an even tan from all those displays...

    1. Re:I hope his chair rotates slowly by vudufixit · · Score: 1


      Tan he may be, but the poor guy may suffer from sterilization - all that radiation!

    2. Re:I hope his chair rotates slowly by MadChicken · · Score: 1

      It's not sterilization you need to worry about, it's the mutant children.

      But then again...

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  31. sound? by dubbreak · · Score: 1

    Does he only have one sound card?
    Like, "come on" you need at least 16 speakers to make the sound as realistic as the image..

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    1. Re:sound? by t_allardyce · · Score: 1

      how about all the noise from the computers?

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  32. may have been cheaper... by EvilGecko123 · · Score: 0

    to go with one of these babys

  33. Seriously though, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can monitor radiation damage the skin (on anything else) in any way?

    1. Re:Seriously though, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you actually spending that much time in front of your computer that you have to ask that question?

      Here's an idea: go outside and do something for a while, like squish some spinning flower fireworks with pliers then light them (away from your face and hands). Then come back and continue your slashdot posting.

  34. But... by SharpFang · · Score: 1, Funny

    You can seriously crash a RL airplane once, with a lot of luck twice. And with this one you can crash over and over!

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    1. Re:But... by Graff · · Score: 5, Funny
      You can seriously crash a RL airplane once, with a lot of luck twice. And with this one you can crash over and over!

      Especially since most of those computers are running Windows 98...
  35. Stale news ? by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Check out this page and look at the date on the bottom photo : does that look like a 1 1/3 year old news or is it just me ?

    Way to go /. ...

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    1. Re:Stale news ? by mnemonic_ · · Score: 1

      Yes, it is old. I saw similar photos 2 years ago.

    2. Re:Stale news ? by shadowbearer · · Score: 1

      Welcome to /. :))))))))

      SB

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  36. This guy needs a 19" rack... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a KVM, and some LCD panels to cut down on the space & heat.

    I count 9 keyboards - maybe some of them are for extra controls/buttons, but I doubt all nine are.

    He could also use a custom LCD arm solution from these guys.

    1. Re:This guy needs a 19" rack... by Oaktree_b · · Score: 1

      Hell, couldn't we all benefit from a nice 19" rack? Sorry, couldn't resist :)

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    2. Re:This guy needs a 19" rack... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hell, couldn't we all benefit from a nice 19" rack? Sorry, couldn't resist :)

      19" is pretty small. I prefer at least 35".

    3. Re:This guy needs a 19" rack... by Oaktree_b · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you're right, 35DD or so. But this is Slashdot, so I was being realistic, 19" is about as big as any nerd can hope for.

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  37. As a sailplane pilot... by InsaneCreator · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...I can tell you, that all flight simulators are missing two most important instruments - a piece of string and your butt. No, seriously. You don't look at instruments at all, you just check the piece of string stuck to the outside of the canopy to see if you are not flying slightly sideways. And when you find lifting air currents, you feel you're being pushed into the seat, even before instruments register anything. Other that that, you just enjoy the view (and fly in circles a lot :) ).

    1. Re:As a sailplane pilot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > ...I can tell you, that all flight simulators are missing two most important instruments - a piece of string and your butt.

      Take another look at that photo of the ASK 21 setup - look at the base of the canopy, and there's a yawstring indicating a slideslip :-).

    2. Re:As a sailplane pilot... by homer_ca · · Score: 1

      Yup, it's called a yaw string, and people have made FS sailplane models that have them (here).

      Now if you want to simulate G forces, that's when it gets expensive, with hydraulic rigs and all. You think the power and noise of 9 AMD PC's is bad, try running some hydraulic pumps.

    3. Re:As a sailplane pilot... by sakusha · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There was a story on /. a while ago about how to simulate the G forces. Some scientists were experimenting with external vestibular stimulation, they used electromagnetic transducers mounted like headphones behind your ears. It was intended for physical therapy for people with balance disorders. Eventually they should able to induce any vestibular sensation like rising/falling, being at an angle or upside down, spinning, etc. and it could be developed into an bionic replacement for damaged sense of balance.
      Of course this got on /. because some geek fantasizes about hooking this up to Quake. Anyone who wants to wire their nervous system directly to a PC game is totally insane.

    4. Re:As a sailplane pilot... by Ralgha · · Score: 1

      Yes, but power pilots don't have the string, they have the turn-coordinator, and under IFR, we ignore all physical sensation. :-)

    5. Re:As a sailplane pilot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah theremalling is fun huh. :) Next thing would be trying to simulate a really bumpy ridge flight. That would be cool. :)

    6. Re:As a sailplane pilot... by floydigus · · Score: 1

      If he wasn't dead set on dicking around with monitors he could probably afford to find out.

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    7. Re:As a sailplane pilot... by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      Kind of reminds me of some of the current military research being done into new GUIs for flying....supposed to give you more of a "feel" for flying when you look at your instruments as opposed to just numbers. Someone posted screenshots on here once and I thought it looked like it was out of Macross.....if anybody knows what I'm talking about, please post the link again. It was fascinating stuff. Really looked like it would make flying more intuitive because you could look at visual readouts..and kind of know if things "looked" right.

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    8. Re:As a sailplane pilot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am so totally in....

  38. Typical bloatware... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    A wel known defense company has a full blown flight simulator (commercial grade, for development work and UI prototyping, workload analsys ets) written in C which runs on _two_ five year old computers - one to handle the flight model, one to generate the visuals. Plenty of eye candy projected onto a dome via 4 BFO projectors.

    2 second hand SGI boxes fast enough to run it would cost you about $800 now, and give you a much more realistic and pretty experience. I wonder what his set up cost?

  39. Old... by TrancePhreak · · Score: 1

    BLEH, I saw this like last year or smth. Maybe a different setup, but definetly the same idea.

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    1. Re:Old... by RedWolves2 · · Score: 1

      Yes this has definitely been covered a long time ago.

  40. That's nothing! by Dark+Lord+Seth · · Score: 1

    fov 360

    Tada!

  41. Windows Licenses by FunkSoulBrother · · Score: 1

    who here thinks this guy actually owns 9 Windows licensces?

    1. Re:Windows Licenses by Oaktree_b · · Score: 1

      SHHH, don't want the gobberment to get all DCMA on his ass...

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    2. Re:Windows Licenses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      who here thinks this guy actually owns 9 Windows licensces?

      It's quite possible. It's difficult to buy a PC without windows in the first place.

      Also, there are plenty of legal, legitimate used retail copies of windows 98 around - these can be bought quite cheap.

    3. Re:Windows Licenses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Eh... not a single machine in my house has a valid Windows licence. Hell, even the ProLiant the school unloaded on me had netware on it.

      Real geeks build their computers. And parts alone rarely come with copies of Windows.

    4. Re:Windows Licenses by BlueRibbon · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why wouldn't he?
      After all, he does have the money to afford all that hardware!

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  42. Almost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    None of the planes/jets in MSFS2002 use a flight stick, they all have yokes.

  43. I wonder if using WidevieW for other games.... by antdude · · Score: 3, Interesting

    like Battlefield 1942, RTCW, etc. would be possible. :)

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  44. Well done! by edbarrett · · Score: 1

    Let me be the first to say that's an amazing piece of work.

    Of course, I wouldn't be, if he was running FlightGear on a beowulf cluster. People would be falling all over themselves to congratulate him then. But there you are.

  45. Removing the Gaps Between the Monitors by barureddy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How would one go about removing the gaps between the monitors?

    The display is great, but The gaps between the monitors is not very attractive and could be destracting.

    1. Re:Removing the Gaps Between the Monitors by ocelotbob · · Score: 1

      Usually by taking them out of their chassis and converting them to open frame monitors. with this type of setup, it'll be a bit of a challenge getting the requisite framework to hold all the monitors, but it's definnitely possible.

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    2. Re:Removing the Gaps Between the Monitors by t_allardyce · · Score: 1

      Well in this case its more realistic - ie the spacers between the windows ;) but yeah he could have used a projector or two with only 1 or 2 computers for a fraction of the cost... but then that wouldnt be a slashdot story.

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    3. Re:Removing the Gaps Between the Monitors by cybermace5 · · Score: 1

      Uh, not really. Noticed how tube size vs. viewable image is usually different? The tube itself is wider than what shows through the bezel.

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    4. Re:Removing the Gaps Between the Monitors by thx2001r · · Score: 1

      Use three LCD overlapping projectors instead on a panoramic projection screen. Probably cheaper than buying all those monitors!

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    5. Re:Removing the Gaps Between the Monitors by jonbrewer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How would one go about removing the gaps between the monitors?
      Use projectors instead. Or just pretend the gaps are structural pillars between the windows.

    6. Re:Removing the Gaps Between the Monitors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe you can get these fresnel lenses that sit a distance from your monitor and enlarge the image. Also seeing how they have narrow frames that would help reduce the gap.

      Also you could try a cave like the one at unversity of illinois or at virginia tech the VT cave with four projected walls to make a 10 x 10 cube with stereo imaging and a motion platform. However you couldn't really run the popular sims anymore. :)

    7. Re:Removing the Gaps Between the Monitors by thebigmacd · · Score: 1

      Did you even read the parent post? The parent to your post said to make the monitors open-frame. ie: by removing the bezel.

    8. Re:Removing the Gaps Between the Monitors by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      Did you even read the parent post? The parent to your post said the tube is bigger than what shows through the bezel, i.e. you won't get a whole lot less border even with the plastic removed. (This assumes CRT)

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    9. Re:Removing the Gaps Between the Monitors by timeOday · · Score: 1
      I wonder if you could do something with mirrors?

      Others suggested projectors. This is also done, there is special software used in planetariums to properly crop and distort the images fed to a large handful of projectors. The point is that the planetiarium can show video on the ceiling instead of just points of light or slides.

    10. Re:Removing the Gaps Between the Monitors by thebigmacd · · Score: 1

      You arent making any sense. If you remove the plastic, which IS the bezel last time I checked, then obviously the part behind the bezel is now revealed. You instantly can see the entire face of the tube, which really reduces the space between viewable areas of the monitors.

    11. Re:Removing the Gaps Between the Monitors by thebigmacd · · Score: 1

      Edit: I know what you are saying, but have you not noticed that you can extend the scan area beyond the borders of the bezel? That's what I am saying...you remove the bezel, expand the screen even until it wraps around the corners of the face if you have that capability. Instant tiny-border, albeit with distortion from the wrapping at the edges.

    12. Re:Removing the Gaps Between the Monitors by cybermace5 · · Score: 1

      I've noticed that you can extend the scan outside the borders OF THE PHOSPHOR SURFACE, which means that you can't see any more than what you see through the plastic bezel.

      Trust me, the monitor manufacturers don't throw away a single millimeter of diagonal measurement. Neither do they put useless phosphor compounds outside the normal viewing surface.

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    13. Re:Removing the Gaps Between the Monitors by mnemonic_ · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Some fresnel lenses should do the trick. The monitors with the attached lens boxes could be spaced and angled to make the edges of the lens boxes adjacent.

    14. Re:Removing the Gaps Between the Monitors by thebigmacd · · Score: 1

      Funny how I can extend the borders of my scan area about 1 inch beyond the bezel all around, and when I look closely I can see that there is phosphorus lit up as far as I can see inside. No clipping.

    15. Re:Removing the Gaps Between the Monitors by cybermace5 · · Score: 1

      I've never seen a monitor that could do that. It must be really old or a shadow mask monitor, I wouldn't know anything about shadow mask because I can't stand anything less sharp than a Trinitron or Diamondtron tube.

      Feel free to rip apart some monitors and try it. I doubt you'll ever get more than 1/8th inch past the bezel, but hey you'll get posted on Slashdot if you succeed.

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    16. Re:Removing the Gaps Between the Monitors by thebigmacd · · Score: 1

      I use a fairly new PiXiE monitor which is Trinitron equivalent.

  46. dB Hell. by achilstone · · Score: 4, Funny

    How can he stand the noise?

    What with all those psu, cpu, video and case fans blowing it must sound like a jet taking ...oh wait.

  47. Re:Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Last year I've seen one of those during reboot - running on win 3.11!
    Ah. 80.49.74.98 - IP of an "info booth" outside my school. Judging by the requesters on the screen, somebody's hacked it already...

    (please, if modding down, mark as offtopic, not troll)

  48. Licensing ... by BillsPetMonkey · · Score: 5, Funny

    Windows XP on the 3 front pc's and 98se on the rest

    That's a total of 13 licenses needed. Are you inviting the BSA into your home or is 13 your lucky number?

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    1. Re:Licensing ... by cybermace5 · · Score: 1

      Actually, nine licenses.

      And no, you didn't even have to read the article to find that out. Just the Slashdot blurb would have been fine. ;-)

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    2. Re:Licensing ... by crowke · · Score: 1

      Unless he has a per-screen licensing scheme :-D

    3. Re:Licensing ... by mufasio · · Score: 1

      Actually you didn't even need to go that far. The headline of the Slashdot blurb says that he used 9 pcs ;)

    4. Re:Licensing ... by cybermace5 · · Score: 1

      SHUT UP!!!!

      Don't you EVER do that again!

      Giving ideas to Microsoft, sheesh. I hope you learned your lesson.

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    5. Re:Licensing ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you inviting the BSA into your home

      <LostBoys> Never invite the BSA into your home, you silly boy. It renders you powerless.</LostBoys>

  49. MS product activation by dtfinch · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Notice that only 3 of the computers are running XP. I suspect that he installed it 3 times and couldn't get it activated the 4th time. This reminds me of an article interviewing some Microsoft executive regarding their product activation, which was new and contraversial at the time, where they said that they did not intend for it to prevent casual copying, because that would hurt regular customers, but rather they would only disable a product key after several hundred installs.

    One of my bosses is a pilot on the side. Our current and previous offices have both been adjacent to an airport.

    1. Re:MS product activation by eht · · Score: 1

      Or maybe he's honest and buys a copy for each of his machines and for some reason has extra Win98 licenses, maybe his company was throwing them away and sold them to him cheap.

    2. Re:MS product activation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nah... probably just uses XP activator to "activate" the "extra" copies of XP. doesn't everyone? :)

    3. Re:MS product activation by BrainInAJar · · Score: 1

      Heh... buying 3 Windows liscences. That's silly, there're cracks all over the internet. Hell, other than tech support, I don't even see the point of buying *1* windows liscence.

    4. Re:MS product activation by smeenz · · Score: 1

      Doesn't Microsoft's EULA spefically prohibit the resale of Microsoft liences ?

  50. Heat Output? by EuroChild · · Score: 1

    According to my calculations, having 9 AMD's running in that small room would bake the "pilot" in his own juices...

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    1. Re:Heat Output? by DMDx86 · · Score: 1

      Calculations? Please share.

    2. Re:Heat Output? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Calculations? Please share.

      How about plain ole' common sense? 1 computer is enough to make a noticable difference in a small room (12' x 12'). At one point I had 3 computers running in a small room and it was enough to make the room very stuffy and downright intollerable without a fan blowing straight on me. (No I'm not fat. I'm 5'6" and weigh 115 lbs.) So based on that, I can only imagine what having 9 computers would be like. You would need a dedicated window A/C unit just for that one room in addition to your central air.

    3. Re:Heat Output? by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1
      Calculations? Please share.

      Effin = 9
      AMD = Hot
      9AMD = EffinHot

      QED.

    4. Re:Heat Output? by EuroChild · · Score: 1

      Sorry, dude, just a wise-crack.

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  51. projectors would be better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really - I'd rather have three projectors, front and two sides, than that.

    The monitors on the sides are way too small in the vertical dimension to be convincing.

  52. Not that bad by Stonent1 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Compared to the multi-screen Air Traffic Control systems that are commercially available. Screens
    Assembled

    Some of the smaller models such as what are used at the FAA Academy use 3 27" displays. Of course the resolution is different. The big screens use $15,000 projectors and custom mounting hardware. And commercially available 3D image generation systems. But you can scale it down to a p4 and a Geforce card per screen.

    1. Re:Not that bad by pongo000 · · Score: 1

      Back in my day at the Academy, we used our imagination and carried airplanes in our hands around an actual 3-D model of some airport which name I've long forgotten. I had my first runway incursion at the Academy.

      The FAA has come a long way, technology-wise. Too bad their people skills haven't kept pace.

    2. Re:Not that bad by Stonent1 · · Score: 1

      Well the military base that got a few of the simulators had a chalk board with a model of the base silkscreened on it and had magnetic planes that could be moved around.

  53. Noise by Seidoger · · Score: 1

    With all the noise his Athlon-equiped computers make, it must feel like being in a real airplane ;-)

  54. The real bitch... by AvantLegion · · Score: 1
    ... is that in a couple of years, all the processing hardware would have to be replaced in order to power the next flight sim.

    The CRTs can stay, but everyone else gotta go!

  55. Re:My friend has got this guy beat. by tomstdenis · · Score: 0

    Hey no common, flight sims are remarkebly like flying for real. I mean after two hours in Flight Sim'95 I was a pro.... :-)

    Yes, I am kidding and I have flown a real plane [though, not by myself] before.

    And yes, mr. troll who seems to like to reply to all my messages, I am a latent homosexual asshat and I'd like to get your phone number so we can share some "feelings".

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  56. Other flight simulators by nuggz · · Score: 1

    What about the other ones
    Flightgear comes to mind, and being open source there should be the capacity to do this too.

    1. Re:Other flight simulators by SN74S181 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There are probably more third party commercial vendors supplying addons for Microsoft Flight Simulator than there are thrid party commercial software vendors for all of Linux.

  57. Wow! by chadma · · Score: 1

    I think I just felt a tear in my pants.

  58. Seriously by lpret · · Score: 1
    I know the parent is trying to be funny, but this is the first thing I wondered about. I mean, we place so much value on the visual aspect, but was any thought put into the audio aspect of flying? That is something that I've recently been paying attention to in games and I've been impressed with the attention to detail.

    This guy would just have to get a nice sound card and some great headphones, since pilots use headphones...but then he'd be able to hear the props or the jets.

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    1. Re:Seriously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously dude... Cessnas and 747's don't sound all that cool. Who the hell plays Flight Simulator for the 'audio aspect'?

    2. Re:Seriously by Ralgha · · Score: 1

      I posted a response about airplane noise already, here's the short version. Inside a general aviation airplane it is LOUD. It's not nice loud, it's not beautiful loud, it's not pretty loud, it's obnoxious, invading, fatiguing, LOUD. Trust me, you do not want to accuratly simulate it.

    3. Re:Seriously by Max+Threshold · · Score: 1

      He doesn't need sound... he's simulating a glider! :o)

    4. Re:Seriously by timeOday · · Score: 2, Funny
      Naw, he just fires his lawnmower up in the living room.

      All the large and small planes I've heard didn't have very interesting noises. More like annoying in fact.

  59. TERRORIST! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting


    the guy is obviously a terrorist, sick Homeland on him NOW!

  60. Mmmm, radiation.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He failed the mention the added bonus of the nice glow you receive after a few hours in the virtual cockpit.

    I'd hate to see this guy's electric bill....

  61. So? X-Plane does this natively by dustoffx · · Score: 5, Informative

    X-plane does this sort of thing natively using TCP/IP,
    costs less, and has a more accurate flight model.

    Other info at theX-plane UDP networking information site.
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    1. Re:So? X-Plane does this natively by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Right on,

      As you've probably already read in X-plane you can do just about anything you want with it's abilities with UDP out, including using the UDP data to drive a motion platform. Also with some freeware out there you can make a screen dedicated to the panel without having to segement the view.

      If you (the post) like to fly gliders I would recomend X-plane because it creates ridge lift and makes theremals very realisticly. Trust me after flying gliders in theremals for real and then comparing real theremals to the ones in X-plane, they seem very accurate.

    2. Re:So? X-Plane does this natively by Vess+V. · · Score: 1

      Has anyone figured out how to kill the mouseclick delay? Looks like it would make a great tinkertoy game, but the interface is absolutely unusable for any longer than it takes to select a plane, an airport, weather, and go.

  62. Re:Wow! by Loosewire · · Score: 1

    (please, if modding down, mark as offtopic, not troll) exactly, and even further (to the person who marked me as a troll) why try to styfle the natural evolution of the conversation it went
    13 monitors for flight sim -->13 monitors bluescreeninging --> blue screening info boards--> laughing at idiots running info boards on M$--> commenting on info boards runing windows 3.11 why is any of that offtopic.Any people who only wanted to see the 13 monitors for flish sim bit could have stopped reading when it went to 13 monitors bluescreening.

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  63. I'd Imagine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It would take a Beowulf cluster to run one of these things.

  64. Dr Evil Would Be Proud by FrankDrebin · · Score: 1

    He's got a frikkin' chair with a frikkin' joystick.

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  65. And this is special HOW? by gspr · · Score: 1

    "9 PC's & 13 monitors. Server PC is a 2.0ghz AMD and has 1 Asus 4800se G4 AGP and when Motor flying 4 PCI graphic cards for the instrument panels.. All 8 Clients have AGP cards and are AMD 800 to 1.5ghz... My Ask21 Glider with 3 Asus 4800se G4 cards on the front 6 monitors, giving great downward landing view."

    Why is that special? Isn't that just the system requirements for Fs2002? Seems to be to me at any rate...

  66. You are really, really gay by Trollmotron · · Score: 0, Troll

    The title says it all. Stop being gay immediately and you'll find that life is not always filled with enema-raping and vomiting semen up after all-night sex-and-alcohol orgies with your local Linux Users' Group. There's a lot more life has to offer than waking up next to two naked, bearded college students covered in feces.

    Once more, we come back to Linux. Obviously the gateway OS has led you to a sinister life of faggotry and cock-lust that has spun out of control. I mean, a man should not have to wear a pad to save his underpants from his bleeding asshole, and anything that leads a man to such depravity is surely evil! Chuck those 386s down a coal-mine shaft and be done with it! I cannot stress this enough; I just hope you listen!

    Whew. Well, I hope you smarten up and follow my advice. It's the only way. And it all begins with the non-use of Linux. The sooner you make this change the sooner you will see your life turn around. I wish you luck in the next few weeks and months.

  67. Waiting for Swimming Pool Simulator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's see, what do F1 and F2 do again?

  68. I'd be REALLY impressed by DasBub · · Score: 2, Interesting

    if he put some imagination into it and spent some of the Huge Wads of Cash on a few lcd projectors and fashioned some curved projection screens...

    I mean, come on... It's hard to get excited about a field of vision one foot tall and 8 or 9 feet wide, plastic monitor edges chopping it up every so often.

    1. Re:I'd be REALLY impressed by NeMon'ess · · Score: 1

      how much for a decent projector? $2000? the bulbs cost about 400 and have to be replaced every year. no thank you. This rig is much cheaper, and has superior horizontal resolution.

    2. Re:I'd be REALLY impressed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      projectors are becomming cheaper and cheaper and bulbtime goes up and up lets take the X1 (infocus) as a example

      cost for 3 (create a 350" screen)
      4x$899

      bulb life 3000 hours cost at $290 thats 10cents
      per screen 30cents per 3 screens per hour.

      now 3000 hours say he plays 3 hours each day that means 1000 days or allmost 3 years. So say $300 a year running cost, now i bet allmost all people on this site spend more on gadgets than $300 a year.

      $300/year running cost for a 9meters wide screen
      doesn't sound bad too me (who is now running a 3 meters screen)

      Daniel.

  69. Wideview-Like for regular use? by aspjunkie · · Score: 1

    Is there any software that would do this for just any computer program, not Flight Simulator in Particular? I can think of some mildy cool applications of this, like networked multi-monitor stuff?

    Anyone?

  70. Ladies and Gentleman, THIS IS CINERAMA! by dpbsmith · · Score: 1

    Or, at least, a distant relative of the Waller Gunnery Trainer, which used five movie projectors. (Waller, who invented this system, went on to create Cinerama. Cinerama used three synchronized projectors to produce a wraparound widescreen experience).

  71. WideView sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I've set up WideView on my network of 3 computers and I think it sucks. Each machine is running an independent copy of MS FS2002 (which of course means you technically require 3 licenses). Since each machine is running it's own copy of the Flight Sim, it makes things real funky and is a real pain to get it all setup just right.

    For example, if you set the weather conditions as cloudy and raining on your primary machine, your other machines wont just automatically receive that information without some additional configuration. It's a total hack of a project and uses an ungodly amount of network resources.

    Buy a Matrox Parhelia card and wait for FS2004, due out in about a month, so you can play using some decent resolutions since FS2002 only supports up to 1920x480 (which is 640x480 per screen)

    1. Re:WideView sucks by Chris+Johnson · · Score: 1
      ...because of course there is no flight simulator but Microsoft Flight Simulator, right kids?

      Buy more microsoft software! Buy more microsoft hardware! Buy mod chips for microsoft hardware!

      Slashdot's weird, man. What happened?

    2. Re:WideView sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...because of course there is no flight simulator but Microsoft Flight Simulator, right kids?

      What does this have to do with WideView sucking? Oh... you're a just a confused Linux zealot. Nevermind, that explains it.

  72. 40 hours is the FAA MINIMUM by Beatlebum · · Score: 4, Informative

    The average length of time taken to get a PPSEL (Private Pilot Single Engine Land) is around 70 hours. I got mine in 72. The FAA requires at least 40 hours of training. Most beginner pilots focus on the number 40, but soon realise that 40 is a pipe dream. If you're lucky you will solo in about 15 hours. At 40 hours you will have good allround experience and will be ready to plan the require 2 short and 1 long cross-country flights. If you're really good you will be ready for the check-ride at 60.

    1. Re:40 hours is the FAA MINIMUM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got mine in 40.3 - 70 is average only if you aren't paying attention. Consider that a military pilot can do basic acro, is instrument qualified, and can fly a jet in that amount of time.

    2. Re:40 hours is the FAA MINIMUM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I just finished my PP-ASEL checkride last week. 43.3 hours total time. Solo'd at 11.5 hours



      Using a Part 141 syllabus really helps to move things along.

    3. Re:40 hours is the FAA MINIMUM by Beatlebum · · Score: 1

      We're not talking about the top 0.1% of pilots. What part of AVERAGE don't you understand?

      I could have passed my check-ride at 40 hours, however, I was more interested in becoming a safe pilot then a quickie pilot.

    4. Re:40 hours is the FAA MINIMUM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some schools let you do it in 35 hrs. The average for students that fly once a week or more offen is about 40 hours.

    5. Re:40 hours is the FAA MINIMUM by Fletcher360 · · Score: 1

      I've heard the 70 hours figure over the years and it keeps edging up over time. I never undestood it though. Did my private pilot checkride at 41.5 hours at at a cost of around $4500. And with all the usual caveats, Flight Simulator was helpful for learning navigation and instruments.

    6. Re:40 hours is the FAA MINIMUM by Quarters · · Score: 1

      Solo'd at 12 and got cleared for my checkride at 42.3. 40hr hours is as accurate a number as any---as long as the person is committed to getting their license.

    7. Re:40 hours is the FAA MINIMUM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry guys,

      but I got my PPL SEL in a little over 40 hrs (need to check my logbook but maybe 45 including spin training on a 150 - voluntary).

      Total cost was a little bit over 3500 (66$/hrs)including the cassetes you need to hear to pass the written. Oral was piece of cake.

      After I flew with a chartered Archer 181 Eastcost - Westcoast and back over the Rockies.

      I have survived, not only because I had a good instructor but that was huge part of it :-))

      That was a little bit over 3500$ again. But it was worth the experience and this was back in 1998.

      And I am a foreigner so.....

    8. Re:40 hours is the FAA MINIMUM by Fletcher360 · · Score: 1

      Exactly...committment to the process probably the key determinant...I just treated it like grad school ;)

  73. Wow...just....WOW. by A_Non_Moose · · Score: 1

    Initial reaction was literally "Oh, Geez" (/sound of awe, hold the shock).

    Of course the pr0n reference was already taken, but wouldn't that joy stick get in the way of...errr...forget I asked.

    Heh, "Is that a fligh stick between your legs or... oh, wait, nevermind.

    /droooooolll

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  74. *IF* you read the site, the cost is WAY less by noahbagels · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I actually read this site just yesterday - He's using far cheaper gear.

    10 CRTs (currently my company is selling off surplus for $50 a piece) = $500

    TFTs - currently, 17" CRTs are about $400 = $1200 He said that they are mostly cheap-o video cards such as the nVidia GF4MX = $40 each ==> $520

    PCs - most are of the 800mhz variety - can be had for $200/piece at an auction. --> $1800

    Price Total: $4020.

    Now, I don't know where this guy lives, but my Private Pilot Certificate PP-ASEL cost me approx $8000 in the SF-Bay Area.


    I love flying - read: LOVE flying - nothing comes close.
    However, let this guy have his kicks... if he got deals on the gear, it's only 33% more expensive than your high performance gaming PC setup listed on arstechnica and other hobbyist sites.

    At least it's better and far cooler than having neon fans and powered liquid coolant systems overclocking by 10% to get 500,000 fps in quake.


    1. Re:*IF* you read the site, the cost is WAY less by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      don't mean to troll here, but *ahem* winxp*3 + win98*6 and you've got more than $1000 on software there....

      unless he got them *cheap* as well.

    2. Re:*IF* you read the site, the cost is WAY less by noahbagels · · Score: 2, Funny

      hey Anonymous Coward, but you *are* a TROLL.

      1. Most auction computers come with the operating system.

      2. Do you really think someone went out and *purchased* 6 new licenses to Win98?

      3. Ok Ok - I guess I just took the TROLL BAIT. Crawl back in your hole.

    3. Re:*IF* you read the site, the cost is WAY less by Idaho · · Score: 1

      Now, I don't know where this guy lives, but my Private Pilot Certificate PP-ASEL cost me approx $8000 in the SF-Bay Area.

      I guess the .nl domain name is a bit of a dead giveaway, ain't it :P

      Chello is the ISP of one of the big cable providers in the Netherlands (UPC), known for its utterly bad service, unreachable helpdesk and administrative problems (their administration was a *mess* after a lot of mergers/buyouts of small local cable companies); although if it works, it's OK - as long as nothing breaks you get decent speed for a decent price.

      The site is on his 'personal homepage' at the providers server. I'd guess he will have a nice message in his mailbox by now about bandwidth usage :P

      That said, I have no clue what it costs to get a Private Pilot Certificate around here :P

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  75. uh oh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone better chek to make sure this guy has bothered learning how to land with his super MS fligh simulator setup :O

  76. Yeah but... by tjstork · · Score: 1


    Do you really want a guy who wires up 20 computers to make a virtual view to actually fly a real airplane?

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    1. Re:Yeah but... by 24-bit+Voxel · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Betcha didn't know the your fancy 3D card and just about all modern computer graphics in general are a direct result of an Navy (ARPA) project with the University of Utah to create... you guessed it, a simulation machine that gives pilots a virtual view so that they have some training before flying. So they could get used to it before they actually flew a real airplane.

      Some basic background: Here

      Ever heard of a phong shader? I belive Phong himself was involved in this project at one point. PDF on Phong at Utah

      Vox

    2. Re:Yeah but... by 24-bit+Voxel · · Score: 1

      oops, pdf is incorrect. disregard.

  77. To quote "Styx".... by dochood · · Score: 1

    "I've got too much... time on my hands, and it's ticking away with my SANITY!"

    (Okay, I admit! I'm jealous!)

    dochood

  78. Doom-era Monitor fun by kremvax · · Score: 1

    When I was a boy...
    Well, back in college,
    You could sync 3 computers running doom and get the same fine looking effect.

    These kids today with their 15 monitors, and their automatic weapons and such....

    Kremvax

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  79. The competition for MSFS 2K2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Although made by MS, MSFS2K2 is actually a fairly polished and easy to use program.

    On the other hand, I much prefer Fly2, which in comparison, is a pain in the ass, unpolished, and hard to get running properly - BUT, has far (and I mean far) superior out of the box airplanes. It's realistic enough to use the real checklists from the real planes for startup/shutdown procedures, where MSFS2K2 planes are a long ways from that. (There are some extra-cost commercial planes for MS which are close to the Fly2 planes in quality, but still lack some things, imho).

    Still, MSFS2K2 has killed off pretty much all the competition now. Fly2 is no longer developed, neither is the Flight Unlimited series. :-(

    Much as with operating systems, it is now a mono-sim world, or pretty close. There are a few stragglers left - xplane I guess? But basically the competition is gone, despite having in some ways a superior product.

  80. Re:Wow! by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1
    I think I just felt a tear in my pants.

    If I were in your pants I'd cry too.

  81. All those screens but still using KB?!?!? by Ledfoot · · Score: 1

    Ok, only a complete idiot would spend all that time and money building a great display setup like that, but still be using just a simple JS, KB and mouse to control the plane. If you want realism, get some realistic flight controls. At LEAST a throttle and rudder pedal setup!

    Not to mention, you could cut the number of computers needed in half if you used dual head video cards (like I'm doing with my GeForce 4 Ti.. 1 monitor hooked to the normal analog connection, 1 to the DVI-I connection through a convertor.. Works GREAT!)

    Still, good idea... HAve fun with that brain tumor!

  82. Look at all of them mice and keyboards! by bitserve · · Score: 1

    You'd think that if he can afford all of those monitors and a setup like that, that he could at least buy a KVM data switch.

  83. We must wonder... by yanbusa · · Score: 1

    Why one has not(atleast to my knowing) used this principle in watching DVD's. Anyone seen or tired this?

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  84. Monitor layout by Cowclops · · Score: 1

    I wonder if there is a specific reason why he didn't make the circle tighter and go for a full 180 degree view. That way, you could set it up so you could look 90 degrees to the left and get a true left view, instead of "almost left." It seems as if you'd just have to turn each monitor in at a slightly greater angle, but is there another optical issue that I'm missing out on?

  85. Health Issue by oktokie · · Score: 1

    hem....doesn't CRT monitors blast radiation?

    I wonder what is the effect of multimple crt being directed to a single human can have...

    1. Re:Health Issue by mnemonic_ · · Score: 1

      I've kind of delegated the "CRT's emit significant harmful radiation" into the "exagerrated/myth" category of supposed dangers in our world. But that's just me.

  86. 15K on a pilot's licence ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    ... means you're still $35k or so from being close to a real flight in a 737; and you'll still have a ways to go for a 747/777. $15K just means you can fly as an amateur while still forking out for rental time and fuel because you still don't have a plane. And in three years this fellow's computers will be obsolete but still able to do the same job as now so what's the diff?

    Sorry, but credit where credit's due; this is a nice set up and way cheaper alternative to the real thing.

  87. Imagine... by beaverfever · · Score: 1

    I've been away for a while - are people still cracking those 'beowulf cluster of these' jokes? If so, I want in on this one.

  88. 13 monitorsm AND THE CRAPPY SEAT!` by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I own two thunderseats, with sidepods,

    please lord, if he was on the east coast, I'd donate one...

    let someone on the west coast open their hearts./..

  89. Kind of a dumb thought, by NeuroManson · · Score: 1

    But why didn't he just invest in a good positional sensing VR helmet instead? 13 monitors (new) has to have cost him close to $1500, and another $3000-$4000 for the computers. There has to be a helmet that is about the same price.

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  90. Al Qaeda training? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Surprised no one mentioned... :)

  91. A few hours. . . by Eric+Damron · · Score: 1

    ... in front of that many monitors and you can kiss your future family good-bye!

    Oh well, we have an over-population problem anyway...

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  92. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With the amount of money this guy must have spent on hardware he could have easily afforded flight school - not to mention a down payment on a Cessna.

  93. OK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope i didn't post this too late but... For those that have some knowledge regarding the following question please reply: in your opinion (feel free to state why) - what is the BEST more realistic / complex flight sim out there? ... and is it on kazaa? :)

  94. Flight Sim Copy Illegal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Even with such an elaborate setup and an obviously hardcore fan ... I'd bet he has copied CDs from his friend!

  95. Battle tech at Navy Pier...Sweet! by omarKhayyam · · Score: 1

    Boy do I ever remember battletech. I had a birthday party there back in middle school, and it was amazing. I think we had all 8 or so machines filled, and it so added to the realism and fun being in enclosed in those cockpits with all the screens and buttons and lights...so sweet. Though I can't remember, was that stuff at Navy Pier or North Pier?

    1. Re:Battle tech at Navy Pier...Sweet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      North Pier - Chicago

  96. Re:My friend has got this guy beat. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So.... Your place or mine?

  97. Re: Still have my... by justMichael · · Score: 1

    Virtual World member card...

    gonna have to round up the gang and kick some a..

  98. IS that Candadian? by mrklin · · Score: 1

    because those hardware only cost about half as much in US.

  99. Buy a real plane!! by psyconaut · · Score: 1

    For God's sake...if you're prepapred to spend that sort of money on hardware and that amount of time putting it all together, do the right thing and just buy a frickin' plane!

    -psy

  100. Fan noise by baxissimo · · Score: 1

    Heck, with all those PCs lined up on the floor it I bet it sounds pretty much like an airplane engine in there even without speakers.

    1. Re:Fan noise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, I just thought of something. It's probably pretty loud because of all the computers in the room. It might almost sound like he's really flying inside an airplane!

  101. I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder how often he grabs the wrong mouse...

  102. Re:TERRORIST! by shadowbearer · · Score: 3, Funny

    Terrorist training at camp of your choice: Free if you're a fanatic

    Pilot training: ~$5000

    Simulator cost (monitors, PCs, etc) ~$15000

    Getting to fly planes into buildings over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over

    PRICELESS

    *ducks*

    SB

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  103. Where's the cupholder by superpulpsicle · · Score: 1

    No pilot can fly without a cupholder.

    And a microphone to warn the neighbors of any turbulance every 5 seconds.

  104. Emergency Landings by rf0 · · Score: 1

    What happens if he has a BSOD? Is there a parachute?

    Rus

  105. Time by cameldrv · · Score: 1

    Most people can only soar on the weekends, in good weather, when the tow pilot is out, durring the day, when the towplane and glider have had their annuals and everything is in working order, when the thermals are popping. Then, if you want to go x-c, you have to have a crew, a trailer, and a truck. Then you have to watch out for boulder-strewn fields because it's important that you bring it in in one piece. Granted, you aren't going to get the shit-eating grin of soaring for real, but there are advantages.

  106. Nah by cameldrv · · Score: 1

    With a couple hours of instruction, any idiot can land a small airplane if you don't care about landing on the numbers. A license is the easiest thing in the world to forge -- it's just a piece of paper. You could run one off on any laser printer. A logbook isn't much harder. You'll want fake instructor and examiner signoffs, but they probably won't check the numbers, and a lot of those guys write illegibly anyhow, so in a lot of ways it's easier than faking a driver's license.

    1. Re:Nah by nelsonal · · Score: 1

      I think the authorities assume that anyone who is willing to expend all the cash requireed for a rental or purchased plane is probably willing to spend a little time and money to earn a license. You are right they are pretty rediculously easy to forge, Larry Ellison brought this up when he was pusing for that big government database back in 2001.

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    2. Re:Nah by Chanc_Gorkon · · Score: 1

      With one exception dude.....the paper it's on. I have a FCC license (Ham) and it's on a slightly different type of paper. It's got a pattern I have never seen. PLUS you'd need a valid FRN(or whatever the FAA uses) and to add to that, if your even the least bit shady (limited flight logs and your license is over 20 years old) you will be watched closely by ATC and the tower. Trying to fool anyone in these areas is stupid and not worth it. Try it and you will be labled a terrorist.

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  107. Maide Maide by floydman · · Score: 1

    Sim1 calling controls

    Sim1 calling controls

    Blue screen

    Blue screen

    shhhhhhhtttttt

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  108. This guy by jrivar59 · · Score: 1

    Is seriously in need of a KVM, he could clear up all that desk space easy.

  109. In the U.S. maybe...but what about Europe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    The link is from the Netherlands (Holland).

    I somehow doubt it would be anywhere near those prices to fly a real airplane anywhere in Europe, or the rest of the world for that matter. We actually pay the asking price for our oil, instead of invading and taking!

    The setup just looks "plane" fantastic.

    1. Re:In the U.S. maybe...but what about Europe? by smccrory · · Score: 1

      Sigh - I've gotta get this off my chest - sorry that it's OT...

      If the price they ask is for your safety and security, I bet you'll pay that too.

      Sorry AC, I'm not impressed with Holland's recent track record of letting other countries be the security lightning rod of the world while you guys enjoy relative anonymity. Our soldiers over there are fully aware of what they're risking their lives (and sometimes dying) for, and it sure as heck isn't oil. I'd bet that Americans (I'm one of them) would be glad to pay $10 a gallon if it meant safety and security. But with Hussein and the likes receiving those payments, it funds oppression and the support of terrorism (or didn't you see the images of torture chambers in every town and a population afraid to speak). Hey, if you want to feel like you're doing the right thing for the world, get off your armchair and invent better fuel cells, photovoltaics, safer nuclear disposal technologies, or better yet a way to reconcile Islamic Fundamentalism with Western Socio-Capitalism. I'll be the first to hand a Nobel medal on your neck if you do.

      Anyway, fuel is the cheapest part of flying general aviation aircraft. Of the $55/hr I spend on my club's Cessna 152, only $18 of that is fuel, while the other $37 goes to insurance, maintenance, bank payments and registration fees. Following your argument, the U.S. should be invading machnine parts suppliers and insurance underwriters...
      Scott

  110. Doing it right. by Animats · · Score: 1
    The cool way to do this would be to build a big wraparound screen, put a wide-angle lens on a projector, and use it to fill your peripheral vision. Then use a second projector to give you a high-res image in front of you. Point a webcam at all of this and write a program to display alignment patterns and get everything lined up.

    Projectors are down to about $2K each; it's not out of reach to do this any more.

  111. I have 3 letters for this guy by Tommy_S · · Score: 1

    KVM

  112. Great, for a B-29 by pjt48108 · · Score: 1

    What aircraft has 12+ windows in the cockpit?

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  113. Why can't a case-modder do this? by nobodyman · · Score: 1

    Don't get me wrong -- this set up looks freaking awesome. However, the only pet-peeve is the gap between the monitors. With flight similator it's not as glaring because pilots have kindof a similar visibility.

    However, couldn't you do much better if you decided to take some LCD monitors out of their casing? Don't LCD panels have a lot less unused space on the side? I'm surprised more case modders haven't done this for a poor mans widescreen.

  114. if DumbMarketingGuy=DumbHypocriticalGuy then parry by zedmelon · · Score: 1
    parry(){
    DumbHypocriticalGuy...

    And I suppose since you're so very concerned about our world's problems, that you're doing your part by scanning slashdot and reading all the articles whose headlines hint at possibly divulging solutions, right?

    This particular article was a great place to start.

    I just find all this techno-wankery that slashdot likes to promote is somewhat distasteful. I like to think that one day, Americans will wake up from their orgy of self-centered consumerism (of which this over-specced PC is just one example) and see the wider world out there.

    You're right. Anyone reading or posting to this article is truly distasteful.

    Its not about having a fast PC, its all about what you are like as a human being, relating to other human beings as equals.

    Again, you're right. And I'm sure you're a fabulous human being to know, since you have such hardened principles that would never allow you to try to simultaneously mingle with and discredit a group of people.

    Is it any wonder slashdot readers seem to have so much trouble getting laid, when they are all obessed with PC hardware and flight simulators ?

    Well, as long as you're into treating us as equals, I'm sure you get laid several times daily, probably by condescending to your dozens dates like this.

    Man, these things bother me too, but just like you, I have things to get done and obligations to fulfill. I've stopped in a suit and tie to help push a car out of an intersection, and I've waited an extra minute to help elderly women through the door at the mall, but I'm too selfish to volunteer at the soup kitchen. I love my comfort too much to join the Peace Core.

    In between all the things I claim take up all my time, sometimes I like to relax. Just like you, one of the ways I'll do that is reading slashdot. I know I could do more, and I should. Right now, my son is asleep, my girlfriend is out with her friends, and I could be doing so much more with my time, but I'm watching the Man Show.

    I hope you'll reconsider once you read this, but I doubt you'll ever see this post, because you're too philanthropic, and right now you're spending the money you were saving for next month's Internet access on the children.

    }

    Let this guy have his 13 monitors. No, it won't cure hunger or cancer, but it's still an accomplishment.

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  115. Teamwork, people! by Baloo+Ursidae · · Score: 1

    We need to get the guy who did the Xinerama-like Flight Sim setup together with this guy, and then we'll be getting somewhere.

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  116. Except that X-plane looks like garbage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    compared to this

  117. No one told Steve by Marquis_of_fire · · Score: 1

    Hey, I went and emailed Steve. No one told him that he made it onto Slashdot. What is the point of all of this adoration if no one is going to tell him about it?

    1. Re:No one told Steve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What other reason would you post something to slashdot? to melt his server.

  118. ok...my 64k question by Archfeld · · Score: 1

    WHY 98 on some of the boxes ?

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  119. Only 10 years to catch up, not bad. by gerardrj · · Score: 1

    About 10 years ago I was running multiple monitors in an "immersion" configuration for a flight sim. Granted, I only had 4 monitors, not 13, but then I only used one machine. A Mac Quadra 900. The sim was F/A-18 Hornet. No special software or configuration was necessary. More displays would have simply required more NuBus graphics cards and displays.
    Of course, when I exited the sim, all four displays belonged to one machine and displayed one contiguous desktop area, and any game that was properly written supported the multi display.

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  120. Re:Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seth Fucklestein your mother is here say hi

  121. Yeah, And by spacefrog · · Score: 1

    I think Grand Theft Auto would be a heck of a lot of fun on 16+ screens.... Based upon that "careful conclusion" I should be out carjacking and pimping.... Wait, that does sound like fun.

  122. Sunburn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm just curious how long it takes to get a screenburn when you have all those screens pointing at you...

  123. Improvements: better bangs per buck by maroberts · · Score: 1

    I think he could have got a better system at a similar cost by spending more on video and less on CPU systems. 3 or 4 projectors or lcd/plasma screens would have given him a similar viewing angle with less joints.
    He could've had
    1) Front
    2) Left
    3) Right
    4) Front down (for landing)
    Another idea (not sure how good it is) would be to use those Matrox multi-head video cards or similar.

    Also what I want to know is why he doesn't have a KVM switch to avoid the need for 9 keyboards and mice?

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    1. Re:Improvements: better bangs per buck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have been thinking about this for a while it for a 9meters wide (354") in a angle/curve design. You would need someting like

      3 infocus X1 projectors at $899
      3 pc's or one with 3 outputs
      alot of wood to make the screen
      white/gray paint

      The nice thing about it is that the 3 screens
      can be used all at once or just the middle for
      movies (still a 106" wide screen). or use the middle for a game and the others for pc etc etc.

      Total cost will not be that high but every 3000 hours you would need new bulbs (about $900 per 3)

      Daniel.

  124. For what that Setup Costs by GnarlyNome · · Score: 2, Funny

    You could take flying lessons (it's easer than the Linux Command line

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    1. Re:For what that Setup Costs by Captain+Ed · · Score: 0

      I'm a 20,000 hour pilot, and I've seen Simulators go from the old Link Trainer of the 1950's, to these modern marvels. To keep proficiency, airline pilots attend simulators every six months, for a 4 hour session. Generally, I hated them, and I think I speak for most. No "G" sensation at all, and the check pilot can produce emergency's at the flip of a switch. Landings are not at all realistic. They are good for approaches, and training. I remember one evening in Kansas City in the B-747 simulator, where both of we checked pilots had done very well in the first period, and the check pilot was a real old gentleman. At break time, he took us to a bar around the corner, and we had 2 beers each, then back to the box. We flew the same program for the last 2 hours as we did for the first, and then compared the readouts. No question about it, the two beers had a profound negative effect on our flying.

    2. Re:For what that Setup Costs by GnarlyNome · · Score: 1

      Well i'm just a puddle jumper Pilot (Kitfox V ) and the only time that I was ever on a simulator was when a friend snuck me out to Moffett Field and let me fly the P3 Simulator (He operated it) It was very Realistic (scared the hell out of me)

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    3. Re:For what that Setup Costs by Captain+Ed · · Score: 0

      Gnarly - I was stationed @NAS Moffett 1955-57. Great duty for a Queens boy! I flew the F2H-3 Banshee in VF-152 a night and all weather interceptor squadron, and we deployed aboard the USS WASP for about 8 months. That was a real experience. Everything in life seemed tame and simple after that.

    4. Re:For what that Setup Costs by GnarlyNome · · Score: 1

      After Rick put a toranado on the runway whil I was flying the sim every thing now is no problem mon

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  125. Motorgliders are nice by GnarlyNome · · Score: 1

    a fourner RF-4 can be snagged for about 25K (TradeaPlane)

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  126. Not So by GnarlyNome · · Score: 1

    there is an old saying "Nothing is as useless as Altitude above you or Runway behind you"

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  127. That's For by GnarlyNome · · Score: 1

    when you consume numerous Adult Beverages

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  128. Imagine a... by shfted! · · Score: 1

    Beowulf cluster of these!

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  129. Why not do it for real? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With the cash for all that gear, he could have got through flight school and be doing it for real.

  130. Instrument training by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am an instrument rated pilot and personally have a simulator with quite a bit of high quality hardware from Prcision Flight Control Systems. It doesn't come cheap, but if you consider that you need around 300 hours to qualify for instrument rating and that depending on your abilities it might take you between 40-60 hours of training to be proficient enough not to get a "pink slip" on your check ride, a good simulator gives you hundreds of hours of instrument flying to practice all procedures. Heck, it even lets you go to that airport you've never been to before you even actually land there. See, when you are in the clouds your perceived sensations are worth nothing, they might even get you killed! that's when flying becomes more like a simulator and you are glued to that instrument panel. Who knows, it might even have saved the lives of John F. Kennedy junior and company if he had had a few hours of instrumen training.
    Cheers.

  131. I always wanted to do this on a discovery flight by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    You've all seen those ads......"take a discovery flight for $35 and see if you would want to be a pilot" bla bla bla....... Well, from what I hear, they take you up and let you have the controls. OK, here's what I wanted to do.....get on one, play up the fact that I've run MS flight simulator for years, and these controls look JUST LIKE what is on my computer. After we get up and the instructor gives me the controls (so to speak)......put the plane in a shallow dive, then ask the instructor....."hey, where's the ctrl-alt-del key so I can reboot this thing, it's in a dive and I don't want to crash" LOL

  132. I think I fried my brain just reading the blurb! by fwr · · Score: 1

    Now, no disrespect to non native English speakers, but I almost went into convulsions just trying to read the blurb here on slashdot. I think there should be a warning for native speaking people, much like the warning you get on some recent games for people with epilepsy. Something like "clicking on this link has been shown to cause severe mental and physical reactions due to the subtle, unintentional, grammatical errors that act much like a 'logic bomb' in intelligent homo sapiens. Proceed at your own risk."

  133. Other games with multi-mon support? by stuartkahler · · Score: 1

    Does anyone know of other recent games that you can run multiple monitors with? FPS games are more my thing.

  134. a mpeg would be nice, how much did it cost? by jago25_98 · · Score: 1

    isn't a real glider cheaper ;)

    well, perhaps the winch / toe plane isn't

  135. Bad Pilot? by jedi_gras · · Score: 1

    He's probably a bad pilot...so this setup makes it much safer for him.

    Also, what if this guy was handicapped in someway that made it impossible for him to fly in a real airplane? Or what if he was scared of heights? Those are all possibilities...

    Though...I'm agreeing with everyone else and going with the virtual pr0n idea too.

  136. better value than a pilots liscence by miketauraso · · Score: 1

    Usually with a pilot's liscence you can only fly small private prop planes. This is cool, but a bit limited.

    With a simulator like this he can get any airplane he can think of, and if he installs X-plane he can fly any airplane he can design as well.

    • 5-8K for a pilot's liscence and a cessna
    • 4k for every plane in the world and more
    I think he got a great value
  137. No one has mentioned the obvious... by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 1

    Perhaps the guy can't fly a real airplane; did anyone think of that?

    His vision might not be correctable to within 20/20.

    He may have a physical impairment that prevents him from flying (maybe a bad ticker).

    He may live somewhere that is far away from the nearest airport that offers lessons.

    Maybe the airports that do offer lessons don't fly the airplanes (gliders) that he wants to fly.

    Maybe he has acrophobia.

    Perhaps he doesn't have enough money to get a license - or fly as many hours as he wants even if he does. Aircraft rental is expensive - and I would hazzard a guess that the price has gone up since 911 - as well as the difficulty in getting approved in the first place.

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  138. FS by Vivieus · · Score: 1

    Saw a similar setup before; a few screens shorter though.

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  139. Yes, but where do you take off from (Meigs)? by jsight · · Score: 1

    Yes, but from where shall he take off, now that Meigs Field (CGX) has been all carved up by the Evil Mayou Daley, and his goons?

  140. May want move all those boxes away from yer nads by vuud · · Score: 2, Funny

    I cannot imagine the fields that are pulsing through this guys body. We should start a pool on tumors... Where he gets one first...

  141. Re:Remember it, I wrote it! by Milo_Mindbender · · Score: 1

    I remeber Battletech, I wrote the darned thing (or a goodsized piece of it anyway) I was the Chief Engineer at the company that made the games and simulators.

    A good portion of the company was swallowed by Microsoft in '97 to become the MechWarrior development team but what's left of the original company (Virtual World Entertaniment) continues to operate quite a few sites.

    True, it's not as nice looking as today's games but considering that the hardware hasn't been updated since '95 I'd expect that. What's really surprising is that this game has been in continuous play since 1990! How many games hold people's interest for that long?

    I understand they are going through a hardware/software upgrade right now.

    For some time I've been interested in starting up a new company to do something like this but haven't found anyone interested in putting up the money.

    There's more info on the BattleTech cockpits on my website (which is a mess right now, look here and also here). And don't forget about Red Planet, the less popular (but in many people's opinion) more exciting second game we had.

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  142. ASK-21 and Ka-7 by phliar · · Score: 1
    The ASK-21 (1) sailplane shown in the sim photos is a fiberglass younger brother of the Schleicher Ka-7 (2) (proven steel tube & fabric technology).
    Well, fiberglass-gelcoat is also a proven technology, we've been doing it for half a century!

    The ASK-21 is larger and heavier than the Ka-7, and of course it has better performance. I have flown both -- my first glider solo was in an ASK-21, but I last flew a Ka-7 about 21 years ago so my memory may be faulty. In any case, I don't see any way to call an ASK-21 the "younger brother" of the Ka-7!

    In the US (and elsewhere, I suspect), the easiest way to get into soaring is to join a club. No need to buy a glider before you know that you're actually going to like it, and before you know what kind of flying you want to do. Most people would buy a single-seat glider, because it will perform better than a two-seat glider (just about all of which are trainers). However it's hard to take your mother for a joy-ride in a single-seater!

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