Ah, so what we need is a complex, hard to use interface that makes every computer user require months of training... Great idea, if you're in the computer training field.
Again, you are proving my point, people hate Microsoft becuase they made using computers easier, while still being successful.
Most people want to send email, play games and visit websites at home. Great news, Windows does that for you. It might not be the best system out there, but it does the job and it does it well. It's not super expensive and lots of vendors offer software for it.
As for work, you can thank Lotus for totally screwing up the spreadsheet market when GUI's became popular. And you can thank Wordperfect for screwing up the word processing market. Microsoft had Excel and Word, no one used it, now everyone does. Why? Because they were BETTER PRODUCTS. Wordperfect and Lotus were pushing DOS applications well into the Windows 3.1 market, by the Windows 95 release, they were fading fast. When they finally got a clue, their Windows versions were too little, too late. Lotus and WP had a choice to develop for Windows, they didn't, they lost out.
Microsoft bent over backwards to give developers the tools to develop for their platform, they still do. That's why games usually come out for Windows first. (This is changing, Sony isn't just sitting around doing nothing all day)
As for Netscape, it was a buggy piece of crap by version 4, there was no excuse for a release that poor. Netscape killed itself.
And lastly, as for the Luna interface, big deal, change it if you don't like it. It's designed to be easy on the eyes and easy to learn, it does a darn good job in both those fields.
You know, you throw Gates' name around over and over and over, yet, he actually produced a product that people wanted and needed.
It's time to wake up, Bill Gates is not Microsoft, not anymore, not for several years now. You hate Microsoft as a company, that's obvious, but can you name one time where Gates himself did something to hurt people? He was one of the people who made computers pretty much available to the general public. He's even going to give away most of his fortune, yeah, that's a horrible person there.
Don't you ever forget, Windows got the Internet out of the little Telnet, Gopher and FTP land that it used to be and made it one of the most valuable resources created, ever. Not UNIX, not Linux, not the Mac, and not even the Amiga, it was Windows, now get over it. Don't think for a second that joe user would use the Internet if it was still all UNIX. It would have remained a "computer geek" thing, and that's it.
And that sums up why people hate Windows, Microsoft, and Bill Gates, it turned the computer industry into something that everyone could use, not just the computer elite.
It might be stupid, but it still shouldn't crash. This isn't a physical device, the software should know when it's operating out of its boundries and limit the user accordingly.
Just to clarify, win32, posix and os/2 are not kernel archetictures, they are API's for the kernel. (There's a document somewhere I read about 6 years ago that explains it better)
x86, alpha etc are the platform archetictures. At the moment, x86 is the only one in use since Alpha, MIPS and PPC seem to be non-viable, at least to Microsoft, but I expect to see some new ones as time goes on.
My point was that.net should be a native API in the next rev of Windows..net on Win32 will only be around until the older Windows revisions become obsolete.
The true reason behind the.net push is to create a bunch of easy to use high level languages to compile down to basically the same code, then let that code run on Win32 platforms and Win64 platforms without making changes.
When the 32 to 64 bit switch starts, the.net apps will be ready to go. The win32 apps will require a translation layer.
Combine that with the fact that the Windows (NT/XP) kernel already supports multiple architectures, win32, posix and os/2 are the 3 common ones. I'm willing to bet that.net will show up in the kernel in the next version of Windows.
No, it's Erik Njorl, son of Frothgar, brother of Hangnor at the home of Thorvald Nlodvisson, the son of Gudleif, half brother of Thorgier, the priest of Ljosa water, who took to wife Thurunn, the mother of Thorkel Braggart, the slayer of Cudround the powerful, who knew Howal, son of Geernon, son of Erik from Valdalesc, son of Arval Gristlebeard, son of Harken, who killed Bjortguaard in Sochnadale in Norway over Cudreed, daughter of Thorkel Long, the son of Kettle-Trout, the half son of Harviyoun Half-troll, father of Ingbare the Brave, who with Isenbert of Gottenberg the daughter of Hangbard the Fierce...
Rounding is a perfect example of this, 17% or 16.66666666666%? The average person doesn't care about.666666 and so the answer is 17. 0% of all primes are even, or is it.0000000(infinity)1%?
Add on the ability for anyone with a camera cell phone to send messages and pictures up to the security system as well, think of all the possibilities!
I don't see why Microsoft can't just run win32 and this new api together, that's part of the kernel. (Remember, Win16, Win32, OS/2 and Posix support were done this way)
I'm curious, when you say the "Journaling filesystem" of NT 3.5 that no one used, I'm assuming you mean NTFS. You might remember it, it's the file system that was installed by default.
I was deploying Windows NT 3.1 and 3.5x systems for several years, and worked with dozens of others who were doing the same thing, we all went directly for NTFS for all of our data storage. Maybe you're thinking HPFS?
Please, feel free to quote your source of information on the lack of use of that non-working file system.
Re:NEWSFLASH, NTFS is a journaling filesystem!
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While I'm all for competition, doesn't having multiple file systems turn some projects into a nightmare?
For example, you will need Nortons for file system X and Nortons for file system Y and Nortons for file system Z. So, which one does Symantec pick in this case? And once Joe User figures out that his favorite utilities don't work, which file system will he want to use?
Having too many choices in what is considered a low-level system function will hurt the market, not help it.
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Why does the average joe user, need several different journaling file systems for a desktop OS?
The percentage of utilization problem is easily solved by forwarding your spam, porn and mp3 collection thru the patch servers and using Quake, instead of Windows Update to install them.
Windows Millennium Edition Windows eXPerience Windows 2000 Server Windows 2003 Server
Office gets a random character generator or something.
And 'Visual Studio.NET XP 2003 v2.0 Enterprise Special Value Edition for ISVs Featuring Visual C++ 8.0 Based on NT Technology' is due any week now, but they need a bigger box to fit the name.
Yes and no. A CLI server that can be fully administrated by say, an XP box (with a full GUI) is not a bad idea.
It might reduce resources.
Honestly, I don't think it will reduce as much as people think it will, the shell, when logged out and idle pretty much gets paged out and ignored. Granted, there are still some resources being allocated, the question is, how much power does a screen refresh take, what about that login dialog box?
I would pay $150 in a minute for a card that had the same features as the old EMS and XMS memory cards to use as a RAM disk or paged memory. (Running i815, 512mb limit sucks when debugging. A large RAM drive with my pagefile on it would overcome the 512mb limit)
If Slashdot (and your browser) eats your reply once, not a problem, twice, maybe a problem (Hey, I got a timeout twice!), three times...well you look foolish...especially when they ALL SHOW UP 20 MINS LATER.
Slashdot Mirror
Ah, so what we need is a complex, hard to use interface that makes every computer user require months of training... Great idea, if you're in the computer training field.
Again, you are proving my point, people hate Microsoft becuase they made using computers easier, while still being successful.
Most people want to send email, play games and visit websites at home. Great news, Windows does that for you. It might not be the best system out there, but it does the job and it does it well. It's not super expensive and lots of vendors offer software for it.
As for work, you can thank Lotus for totally screwing up the spreadsheet market when GUI's became popular. And you can thank Wordperfect for screwing up the word processing market. Microsoft had Excel and Word, no one used it, now everyone does. Why? Because they were BETTER PRODUCTS. Wordperfect and Lotus were pushing DOS applications well into the Windows 3.1 market, by the Windows 95 release, they were fading fast. When they finally got a clue, their Windows versions were too little, too late. Lotus and WP had a choice to develop for Windows, they didn't, they lost out.
Microsoft bent over backwards to give developers the tools to develop for their platform, they still do. That's why games usually come out for Windows first. (This is changing, Sony isn't just sitting around doing nothing all day)
As for Netscape, it was a buggy piece of crap by version 4, there was no excuse for a release that poor. Netscape killed itself.
And lastly, as for the Luna interface, big deal, change it if you don't like it. It's designed to be easy on the eyes and easy to learn, it does a darn good job in both those fields.
You know, you throw Gates' name around over and over and over, yet, he actually produced a product that people wanted and needed.
It's time to wake up, Bill Gates is not Microsoft, not anymore, not for several years now. You hate Microsoft as a company, that's obvious, but can you name one time where Gates himself did something to hurt people? He was one of the people who made computers pretty much available to the general public. He's even going to give away most of his fortune, yeah, that's a horrible person there.
Don't you ever forget, Windows got the Internet out of the little Telnet, Gopher and FTP land that it used to be and made it one of the most valuable resources created, ever. Not UNIX, not Linux, not the Mac, and not even the Amiga, it was Windows, now get over it. Don't think for a second that joe user would use the Internet if it was still all UNIX. It would have remained a "computer geek" thing, and that's it.
And that sums up why people hate Windows, Microsoft, and Bill Gates, it turned the computer industry into something that everyone could use, not just the computer elite.
It might be stupid, but it still shouldn't crash. This isn't a physical device, the software should know when it's operating out of its boundries and limit the user accordingly.
Just to clarify, win32, posix and os/2 are not kernel archetictures, they are API's for the kernel. (There's a document somewhere I read about 6 years ago that explains it better)
.net should be a native API in the next rev of Windows. .net on Win32 will only be around until the older Windows revisions become obsolete.
x86, alpha etc are the platform archetictures. At the moment, x86 is the only one in use since Alpha, MIPS and PPC seem to be non-viable, at least to Microsoft, but I expect to see some new ones as time goes on.
My point was that
Actually, it is fixing the OS. Win32 is not the OS, despite what people think, it's just the most common API.
We're all missing the real point of .net
.net push is to create a bunch of easy to use high level languages to compile down to basically the same code, then let that code run on Win32 platforms and Win64 platforms without making changes.
.net apps will be ready to go. The win32 apps will require a translation layer.
.net will show up in the kernel in the next version of Windows.
The true reason behind the
When the 32 to 64 bit switch starts, the
Combine that with the fact that the Windows (NT/XP) kernel already supports multiple architectures, win32, posix and os/2 are the 3 common ones. I'm willing to bet that
one = "1 or 2 times I've had to reboot XP due to a crash" (in about 10 months)
two = "XP and IE are very stable."
I would say those statements work very well together, since there was no mention of why XP crashed. (Buggy card driver maybe?)
if (one && two) generic_troll_post();
No, it's Erik Njorl, son of Frothgar, brother of Hangnor at the home of Thorvald Nlodvisson, the son of Gudleif, half brother of Thorgier, the priest of Ljosa water, who took to wife Thurunn, the mother of Thorkel Braggart, the slayer of Cudround the powerful, who knew Howal, son of Geernon, son of Erik from Valdalesc, son of Arval Gristlebeard, son of Harken, who killed Bjortguaard in Sochnadale in Norway over Cudreed, daughter of Thorkel Long, the son of Kettle-Trout, the half son of Harviyoun Half-troll, father of Ingbare the Brave, who with Isenbert of Gottenberg the daughter of Hangbard the Fierce...
Or do I have the wrong Islandic saga again?
No no no...it's:
Who is the boss of you?
ME! I am the boss of you!
The true meaning of the post finally hit me.
.666666 and so the answer is 17. 0% of all primes are even, or is it .0000000(infinity)1%?
All statistics can be "off" and still be valid.
Rounding is a perfect example of this, 17% or 16.66666666666%? The average person doesn't care about
Or, it could all be a bad joke.
But what if the last statistic was incorrect on purpose? Then it all makes sense!
Well, not really, but it might be the opener of a comedy routine, or a +5 funny.
Add on the ability for anyone with a camera cell phone to send messages and pictures up to the security system as well, think of all the possibilities!
I don't see why Microsoft can't just run win32 and this new api together, that's part of the kernel. (Remember, Win16, Win32, OS/2 and Posix support were done this way)
I'm curious, when you say the "Journaling filesystem" of NT 3.5 that no one used, I'm assuming you mean NTFS. You might remember it, it's the file system that was installed by default.
I was deploying Windows NT 3.1 and 3.5x systems for several years, and worked with dozens of others who were doing the same thing, we all went directly for NTFS for all of our data storage. Maybe you're thinking HPFS?
Please, feel free to quote your source of information on the lack of use of that non-working file system.
While I'm all for competition, doesn't having multiple file systems turn some projects into a nightmare?
For example, you will need Nortons for file system X and Nortons for file system Y and Nortons for file system Z. So, which one does Symantec pick in this case? And once Joe User figures out that his favorite utilities don't work, which file system will he want to use?
Having too many choices in what is considered a low-level system function will hurt the market, not help it.
Why does the average joe user, need several different journaling file systems for a desktop OS?
The percentage of utilization problem is easily solved by forwarding your spam, porn and mp3 collection thru the patch servers and using Quake, instead of Windows Update to install them.
But did he crosspost his farewell?
The new rule is:
.NET XP 2003 v2.0 Enterprise Special Value Edition for ISVs Featuring Visual C++ 8.0 Based on NT Technology' is due any week now, but they need a bigger box to fit the name.
Servers get numbers
Workstations get Letters
Windows Millennium Edition
Windows eXPerience
Windows 2000 Server
Windows 2003 Server
Office gets a random character generator or something.
And 'Visual Studio
Yes and no. A CLI server that can be fully administrated by say, an XP box (with a full GUI) is not a bad idea.
It might reduce resources.
Honestly, I don't think it will reduce as much as people think it will, the shell, when logged out and idle pretty much gets paged out and ignored. Granted, there are still some resources being allocated, the question is, how much power does a screen refresh take, what about that login dialog box?
I would pay $150 in a minute for a card that had the same features as the old EMS and XMS memory cards to use as a RAM disk or paged memory. (Running i815, 512mb limit sucks when debugging. A large RAM drive with my pagefile on it would overcome the 512mb limit)
'Access-method-independent exchange using a communication primitive'
How about something simple like xmodem over an x.25 and dial-up network, like Compuserve.
If Slashdot (and your browser) eats your reply once, not a problem, twice, maybe a problem (Hey, I got a timeout twice!), three times...well you look foolish...especially when they ALL SHOW UP 20 MINS LATER.
If the time decreases to get from point a to point b then aren't you speeding up, not slowing down?
If it takes 15 mins to walk to the store, but you do it in 10, you most likely ran part of the way.
If it takes 365 days to go in a circle around the sun, but now it takes 364, your speed increased.
If the time decreases to get from point a to point b then aren't you speeding up, not slowing down?
If it takes 15 mins to walk to the store, but you do it in 10, you most likely ran part of the way.
If it takes 365 days to go in a circle around the sun, but now it takes 364, your speed increased.