1. Some proof that they outsourced to India? 2. Its getting to the point where a tech company that does not outsource in some way is becoming the exception.
> the right to travel freely is enjoyed by all citizens. As the primary purpose of driving is to travel from one point to another, it must therefore be a right.
You have the right to travel, but it doesn't specify the method of travel.
Does that mean I have a right to drive your car? By denying me the ability to use your property, are you denying me my right to travel?
In the first sentence you are saying that space of code doesn't matter, its efficency. In the second sentence you are equating space of code to efficiency.
>His previous column on iPods was intriguing as well. Anyone read that?
Why wouldn't cellphones be a better modern-day katana? You can customize/detail them more so they are more uniquely special items. In fact, considering they give you almost instantanous communications around the world, they would be more "magical" than iPods.
Um.. its not Windows, its DOS. And I was half-joking, so don't get all wound-up.
>If that makes the user interface better then who cares whether it's innovative?
You are barking up the wrong tree. I was just replying someone else who said it was "innovative". You are arguing if its "good" or not. Two different things.
>Yes, Sun had this first but Windows does not have this feature, period
My point is that its not a "Linux Innovation".
>What crappy stuff are you refering to? Lack of ActiveX??
Lack of major third party support? Real Player? QuickTime 6.X? The point is that you can't say Mozilla = Linux, so any innovation in Mozilla isn't a Linux innovation.
>We are talking full desktop environment here, Fine; http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/
>we are comparing Linux to Windows, not Unix
No we are talking about "Linux innovation" vs. "Windows innovation". If Unix (in general) had it before Linux was even created, then how can it be a Linux innovation?
>You're assuming that somebody who has the same degree as you do will know exactly the same as you.
From my original post: "...for someone to at least feel that he could... "
I am not saying that he could do the same job at the same level of quality, just that he will go to the manager and say "Sure I can do his job." and then fuddle his way through for the next several months. And at a fraction of what they were paying, thats good enough for the manager/company.
>If your job is so valuable that it takes a few days to train someone to be as competent as you
Quick, name a job that doesn't take a few days for someone to at least feel that he could take over your job given that you have the same academic education?
>It's the company's own responsibility to make sure they don't break the law. Heard of "due diligence"?
But in asking a professional opinion from a professional consultant and getting you to sign to certain conditions they are performing their due diligence.
Then why wouldn't you sign something to that effect?
>What I'm saying is that I'm not responsible for any copyright infringement perpetrated by other people if I use/recommend their software.
The have that put in. Also, if you recommend Linux knowing that SCO says they have a claim, aren't you responsible for the result of your suggestion if SCO is successful?
>It is my opinion that any contracter sufficiently clued in to actually install a Linux system is also sufficiently clued in to say:
More clued in than with Linux they are clued in to their own personal well-being.
The contractor wouldn't even say that to the Austraian govnm becuase they wouldn't care (they are already safe.)
The contractor would have to really believe that SCO would NEVER get close to winning any legal judgement in the courts. Not a 100% certainty. They would also risk paying a lawyer to defend themselves. Why risk anything?
HP Compaq big enough for you? http://h71016.www7.hp.com/dstore/MiddleFrame .asp?p age=config&ProductLineId=429&FamilyId=1602&BaseID= 9124&jumpid=ex_r2910_frooglesmb/desktops
What next? Complaining that you can't buy a Linux computer with wood panelling sold by a elderly man with a Scottish accent?
>He seems to be a man of his word and put his money where his mouth was - which you have to respect, whether you agreed with him or not, and is more than you can say about MSFT.
And so what conclusions can we draw when we see MS advertisment banners here?
>where are these magical computer sellers that will sell me a PC without windows.
http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=linux+pc
Did you even try to look?
> it's called having the cource and not compiling in that option through the extremely easy configure system it has.
Exactly how many steps do you need to go through? What complicated command lines do I have to type in and run? What do I do when I get a "seg fault" or something about missing symbolic something?
Do you think this is something that a new user can do?
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>the web is pull content. I am not having content forced down my throat.
You can always change the channel.
>TV watching has no social interaction while actively doing it.
The social interaction comes after watching tv. In the average office the common topic of conversation is the final show of The Apprentice.
Do you think that any article on slashdot will ever be something you can talk over the watercooler?
Now imagine how much better your life would be if you stop using the Internet.
1. Some proof that they outsourced to India?
2. Its getting to the point where a tech company that does not outsource in some way is becoming the exception.
> the right to travel freely is enjoyed by all citizens. As the primary purpose of driving is to travel from one point to another, it must therefore be a right.
You have the right to travel, but it doesn't specify the method of travel.
Does that mean I have a right to drive your car? By denying me the ability to use your property, are you denying me my right to travel?
Huh?
In the first sentence you are saying that space of code doesn't matter, its efficency. In the second sentence you are equating space of code to efficiency.
>whats the point?
Downloading super impressive ads quickly?
>His previous column on iPods was intriguing as well. Anyone read that?
Why wouldn't cellphones be a better modern-day katana? You can customize/detail them more so they are more uniquely special items. In fact, considering they give you almost instantanous communications around the world, they would be more "magical" than iPods.
>games and gamers aren't quite,
When you watch tv, turn on the radio to a low sound level.
Even if you have the tv up loud, its still annoying.
(Not to mention using the computer for non-gaming stuff)
>you compare Windows boot floppies with LiveCDs?!
Um.. its not Windows, its DOS. And I was half-joking, so don't get all wound-up.
>If that makes the user interface better then who cares whether it's innovative?
You are barking up the wrong tree. I was just replying someone else who said it was "innovative". You are arguing if its "good" or not. Two different things.
>Yes, Sun had this first but Windows does not have this feature, period
My point is that its not a "Linux Innovation".
>What crappy stuff are you refering to? Lack of ActiveX??
Lack of major third party support? Real Player? QuickTime 6.X?
The point is that you can't say Mozilla = Linux, so any innovation in Mozilla isn't a Linux innovation.
>We are talking full desktop environment here,
Fine;
http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/
>we are comparing Linux to Windows, not Unix
No we are talking about "Linux innovation" vs. "Windows innovation". If Unix (in general) had it before Linux was even created, then how can it be a Linux innovation?
>Highlight text and middle-click to copy
/SYS
Middle clicking is an innovation? Didn't Sun/really old graphical Unix have this years ago?
>Tabbed internet browsers (Comparing to IE)
Is a browser part of Linux (OS)? If you claim innovation there, do you also take the blame for the crappy stuff too? Or is this one sided?
>Live bootable CDs that don't require installation (If there are MS equivalents, please point them out)
Floppy disk formated with
>Truly separate user environments
Again, is this innovation or something that Unix had already?
Every new release of a Linux distribution gets closer and closer to the latest Windows OS.
Its a communication tool.
So anyone who needs to communicate about how the project does/should/"this is how our castle in the sky and the kitchen sink" works.
>I'm happy that *I* have a decent desktop environment and operating system
:)
In other words, you, as a user, think that Linux is attractive. Isn't that exactly what "you don't care about"?
>Free software is about an exchange.
No its not. Its about coding being free. If I was suppose to do X hours of community service, they could have put it in to the license.
>The people who bang on about "Linux isn't ready for the desktop" are generally Windows users
I am posting this from RedHat 9/Mozilla Firebird 0.7. Linux isn't ready for the desktop.
>I'm just slightly drunk and bad tempered at the moment.
I'm always like that.
>Linux has been desktop-ready since 1991, it's just that the majority of users haven't been ready for it.
Thats a great attitude. "Its not confusing, you just don't understand it."
Do you also think that the mouse is a lazy's mans crutch?
Users are where they want to be. Software is the part that needs to go to the users, not the other way around.
>You're assuming that somebody who has the same degree as you do will know exactly the same as you.
From my original post: "...for someone to at least feel that he could... "
I am not saying that he could do the same job at the same level of quality, just that he will go to the manager and say "Sure I can do his job." and then fuddle his way through for the next several months. And at a fraction of what they were paying, thats good enough for the manager/company.
>Worry when you *arent* asked, because it means management doesnt think you know anything valuable.
When they laid you off, the already have come to that conclusion.
In one of the cases in the story;
>She says the training took about two months.
>If your job is so valuable that it takes a few days to train someone to be as competent as you
Quick, name a job that doesn't take a few days for someone to at least feel that he could take over your job given that you have the same academic education?
>It's the company's own responsibility to make sure they don't break the law. Heard of "due diligence"?
But in asking a professional opinion from a professional consultant and getting you to sign to certain conditions they are performing their due diligence.
>That's not what I'm doing.
Then why wouldn't you sign something to that effect?
>What I'm saying is that I'm not responsible for any copyright infringement perpetrated by other people if I use/recommend their software.
The have that put in. Also, if you recommend Linux knowing that SCO says they have a claim, aren't you responsible for the result of your suggestion if SCO is successful?
>I'm an independent contractor too (albeit in the UK) and I've seen things like this in potential contracts, along with all kinds of other nastyness
This isn't nastyness, its just common sense. What are you doing passing on something that you shouldn't (copyright infringment,etc) to you client?
>It is my opinion that any contracter sufficiently clued in to actually install a Linux system is also sufficiently clued in to say:
More clued in than with Linux they are clued in to their own personal well-being.
The contractor wouldn't even say that to the Austraian govnm becuase they wouldn't care (they are already safe.)
The contractor would have to really believe that SCO would NEVER get close to winning any legal judgement in the courts. Not a 100% certainty. They would also risk paying a lawyer to defend themselves. Why risk anything?
No, its bad news.
Its says to contractors "Don't advise anyone to choose OpenSource. You could cost you big $ and major legal hassels".
And if you don't think that government doesn't listen to contractors, you have no idea how they work.
"How should I know that was the wrong decision, the high-paid consultant said it was correct and here is all the supporting documentation!"
> they know the big guys
e .asp?p age=config&ProductLineId=429&FamilyId=1602&BaseID= 9124&jumpid=ex_r2910_frooglesmb/desktops
HP Compaq big enough for you?
http://h71016.www7.hp.com/dstore/MiddleFram
What next? Complaining that you can't buy a Linux computer with wood panelling sold by a elderly man with a Scottish accent?
>He seems to be a man of his word and put his money where his mouth was - which you have to respect, whether you agreed with him or not, and is more than you can say about MSFT.
And so what conclusions can we draw when we see MS advertisment banners here?
>where are these magical computer sellers that will sell me a PC without windows.
http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=linux+pc
Did you even try to look?
> it's called having the cource and not compiling in that option through the extremely easy configure system it has.
Exactly how many steps do you need to go through? What complicated command lines do I have to type in and run? What do I do when I get a "seg fault" or something about missing symbolic something?
Do you think this is something that a new user can do?