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National TV Turn Off Week

beforewisdom writes "Next week (April 19th - 25th 2004) is National TV Turn Off Week in the USA. Among the many benefits claimed by tvturnoff.org is that 90% of the people who participate in a TV Turnoff Week successfully reduce the amount of television they watch permanently."

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  1. Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by grub · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I mailed that link (subscriber) to people at work and some friends. Already the replies have been:

    "Great in theory, but there's a new Friends episode on Thursday. [...]"

    [group reply to above] "Yeah, great...in theory...."

    My sister, who hasn't replied back yet, will undoubtedly mention Trading Spaces or another of those TLC shows. Another friend will complain about missing NASCAR or Monster Garage or whatever...

    How the hell can the kids have a hope at reducing viewing, or dumping TV altogether, when the adults around them come up with excuses to not give up the idiot box for just one damn week?

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    1. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by ScottGant · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We don't have a TV, but we watch Sunday night TV at my inlaws house...mainly HBO original programs like The Sopranos and Deadwood at the moment.

      So giving up TV for a week isn't really a big deal for us...

      But giving up the internet for a week? That would be hard my friend...

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    2. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by grub · · Score: 2, Interesting


      But giving up the internet for a week? That would be hard my friend...

      Yes, indeed. It's where I get most of my news and information from! (cancelled my cable TV last year)

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    3. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by lazuli42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ever since I've had my cable modem I've hardly watched television at all.

      For example, this year I have watched television for about 6 hours. About three of that was the Super Bowl (with it's totally lame ads this year, blah), and about three of that was the Academy Awards.

      Last year I probably watched about 20 hours worth of television programming.

      One reason that I don't watch television is because of all the awful advertising. It seems like for every three minutes of programming there are two minutes of commercials.

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    4. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Safety+Cap · · Score: 5, Interesting
      "Great in theory, but there's a new (insert banal show title here) episode on Thursday."
      They can always tape/Tivo it.

      Here's the scary thing: the longer you go without watching, the more all the shows REALLY SUCK when you try to start again. I once swore off TV for a month (the second week was the hardest). When the month was over, I found that all the shows were stupid, the laugh-tracks were annoying, and there were no good, original stories. Since then, I pretty much only watch Discovery/History channels with a rare forray into the SciFi channel. When we move in the next few months, I won't be taking cable with me (except the Roadrunner part).

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    5. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by q-the-impaler · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I watch TV typically because my roommate has it on. He's definitely addicted since he got laid off from his IT job. I find myself requiring more interactivity than TV, so I am a computer junkie.

      My girlfriend would argue that she would rather me be a TV junkie, because at least that is something we can do together. She would never think Slashdot was interesting, so you can guess that gaming is out of the question.

      Most people do not want to be free of TV. You have to want to not watch TV and see that your life could be better without it. So, I guess people like us will just have to deal with other people who are not quite as motivated. Temperance is something geeks end up having to learn in order to work with the rest of society.

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    6. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by crow · · Score: 4, Informative
      One reason that I don't watch television is because of all the awful advertising. It seems like for every three minutes of programming there are two minutes of commercials.


      I stopped watching commercials several years ago when we got our ReplayTV. Now on those rare occasions when live TV is on, the ads are rather startling. I also find that ads on the radio feel more intrusive now that I don't put up with them on TV.

    7. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by PhoenixFlare · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How the hell can the kids have a hope at reducing viewing, or dumping TV altogether, when the adults around them come up with excuses to not give up the idiot box for just one damn week?

      Yeah, that's a great way to get people to participate - get angry, act annoyed about the shows they watch, and call it the "idiot box".

      I don't think the lack of joy at your requests should be suprising in the least.

    8. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Psmylie · · Score: 1

      That's been pretty much my experience... my tv is currently just my video-game console's monitor these days. ABC, NBC, whatever... I never even go to that range of stations any more. Pretty much all I watch now is History channel, the various home improvement channels (because I just bought a house) and Discovery channel. And really, not that often. If you tallied up my total TV-viewing over a week (discounting games and movies) it would total about two hours, I'd guess. I blame my sudden lack of interest in television programming on Final Fantasy XI Online.

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    9. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Welcome back to the world of the thinking.

    10. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by identity0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How the hell can the kids have a hope at reducing viewing, or dumping TV altogether, when the adults around them come up with excuses to not give up the idiot box for just one damn week?

      Maybe they shouldn't? 99% of TV is crap - they have a higher crap rate than other media, I think - but that 1% that is good is different for different people. Choosing one week to not watch TV is pretty arbitrary, I think.

      The problem with TV is when people get bad viewing habits - that is, watching it without any particular show in mind, letting it control their schedule, or just vegging out in front of it for hours, etc. As long as people aren't doing that, I don't think turning it off is nessecary.

      As an aside, though - I had a blackout last night, with no TV, and more importantly, no internet. I went outside and talked to a group of my neighbors that had gathered, and had a pleasant conversation. It was actually a nice experience getting to know them. I think this is the kind of thing the people at TV Turnoff week are after, but realistically there is no way to force people out short of a blackout. Plus, you can socialize without sacrificing TV, if you wanted to...

    11. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Slayk · · Score: 1

      I understand that. When I went off to college this year, I found that I had very little time to watch TV...so I didn't turn it on at all. Now, when I'm bored, I can't stand to watch anything.

      Although, I did discover that I could sit down and watch Star Trek III and enjoy it...yet I'm not a Trek fan. Odd.

    12. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by mopomi · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I convinced my wife to allow me to purchase a projector for watching movies in the living room. We decided that the TV would be better placed elsewhere in the house. I purposefully did not buy a TV tuner of any sort (VCR or otherwise) for the projection system. When we moved the TV, we never reconnected it. A week later, we discontinued our cable (which had been ordered only a few months earlier). A month later, we gave the TV to my wife's parents (and they gave us their tiny one, which now resides in the office).


      Yesterday (about four months since buying the projector), my wife said, "I'm glad we don't have a TV any more. I tried watching 'Friends' last night and couldn't stand it--the commercials don't stay on one scene for more than two seconds, and everything is stupid."

      It's great having our living room back. When we want to watch movies, the wall is the center of attention, but otherwise, we use our living room for living rather than watching TV. Our son (18 months) doesn't know what TV is, and doesn't care. When we watch movies, he's more interested in the projector than the movie. . .

    13. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Bob+McCown · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Us either. We've got a TV, but all thats hooked up to it is the PS2. I love when the local cable company calls to try and sell us. "Im sorry, we dont watch TV" isnt on their little script. Gets them flubbered every time!

    14. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by liquidsin · · Score: 1

      Ignoring all that you mentioned, what stuck out the most to me was his use of the "think of the children" defense. I *hate* that.

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    15. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Porthos · · Score: 2, Funny

      Most people do not want to be free of TV. You have to want to not watch TV and see that your life could be better without it.

      That's why we never disconnect anyone over 30. Their minds simply can't handle it. -The Matrix

    16. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by AbbyNormal · · Score: 1

      Question, why do they have to because someone wants them too? GASP, what if they don't feel the same way as the study in question. Just because someone throws out a bunch of arguments/statistics against something, does not make it fact.

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    17. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I found all that out without stopping watching for a month.

      Then...ick. Work happened. All I do all day at work is watch the most boring crap on TV since there's only two channels.

    18. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Actually, that's pretty close. A show is 22 minutes long, which leaves 8 minutes for ads. That's 2.75 minutes of TV per minute of advertising. Subtract the repetitive intro, a few minutes of credits (which networks manage to sqeeze next to a large ad), and the fact that the show probably sucks anyway, and you have some quality advertising there.

    19. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Paulrothrock · · Score: 1

      There's a difference between tuning in for the three shows per week (Charmed, Good Eats, and Iron Chef), and a couple specials here and there (Iron Chef America: Battle of the Masters) and watching four hours of TV a day. There are people who sit in front of the TV from the time they get home until they go to bed. I know, my mother-in-law is one of them. They're helplessly addicted to TV, for any number of reasons.

      Your best bet isn't to turn off the TV entirely for your kids, but to teach them to watch TV selectively. Let them pick three hours per week that they get to watch, or make it a family thing. (Sesame Street is on at 7PM in my area, so a lot of parents watch it with their kids before they go to sleep.) Don't let them be babysat by the One-Eyed Shitbox and they won't get addicted. I love my shows, and so does my fiance. But we don't watch any other TV shows because we have too much to do, and we like it that way.

      Giving up TV for a week won't help anyone except the addicted. It will just make me miss shows I've been waiting for weeks to see.

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    20. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by CatPieMan · · Score: 1

      I think the main point of turning off the TV is to promote excercise, getting outside, and/or reading. The problem with some of these is, at least in the DC area (where I am) it is looking like it is going to be raining for part of next week (maybe all, hey, it rained most of this week too), which effectivly kills the getting outside part (and most of the excercise that kids would otherwise get, as very few kids go to a gym).

      I know, for me at least, I find that I watch less TV when the weather is nicer outside, even if I'm not out in it. Although, I did just discover a dark room down the street from me, which is now eating up a lot of time.

      In short, I don't think it is as simple as just 'turning off the tv'. What about news? What about people in the gym, many morning gym people like to watch the news, or a morning news show (Good Morning America, the Today Show, etc) while on the treadmill. Sure, you could turn it off, but often it isn't just you in the gym, or not your decision.

      That's my opinion, although I will still try to cut out most of my TV next week anyway.

      -CPM

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    21. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Ssbe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But giving up the internet for a week? That would be hard my friend...

      Hard? Try impossible. How else would I keep in contact with all my friends and family? Pay my bills? Keep up with the news? ... etc. And that's just personal uses. I'm sure my boss wouldn't be to happy about me not working on any of my projects all week because I couldn't use the internet to store and transfer important files. Just my 2 cents.

    22. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by madman101 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I thought there already was a campaign to get everyone to turn off their TV's??? It's called "reality tv"...

    23. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How the hell can the kids have a hope at reducing viewing, or dumping TV altogether, when the adults around them come up with excuses to not give up the idiot box for just one damn week?

      Why do you care?
    24. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      We know you don't watch TV Sir, but that's because you're not hooked up to the magic that is cable television. Imagine, sir, a wonderful portal into a universe of different worlds, where you can find over one hundred different experiences available, twenty four hours a day, seven days a week. That's what cable brings you: the freedom to let go, to leave your reality and experience another, and not merely another but your choice of reality.

      So, with that in mind, what's it going to take to put you in our Premium Lifestyles cable package, with 200 channels including HBO and Cinemax?

    25. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by krumms · · Score: 2, Funny

      Since then, I pretty much only watch Discovery/History channels with a rare forray into the SciFi channel.

      Holy shit ... beware, everyone - not watching T.V. for a month may turn you into a no-life nature nerd like my father.

    26. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh. I don't want to turn off my TV for a week. You might have some special agenda you're trying to further, but I don't. Wednesday night I plan to watch Angel on the WB, and Monday through Friday, I plan to watch Angel on TNT.

      Losers like you perpetuating stupid crusades against non-problems are the reason nobody listens to the tech crowd when something real comes along.

    27. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Sorry, but the Stanley Cup Playoffs are going on. And I'm not a basketball fan, but a lot of folks will be watching the NBA playoffs that start this weekend.



      Oh wait ... I forgot ... this is slashdot, and geeks don't like sports.


    28. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 4, Funny

      Not watching TV has had the opposite effect on me. I haven't had cable or broadcast in my house for a year now. Whenever I go over to a friend's house, I am completely enthralled by the production value that they can put into every advertisement now.

      OMG!@~! It's TIGER WOODS AGIN!

      Holy crap! That charbroiled quarter pounder looks DELICIOUS!

      I'd say I felt like a kid again, but I was way more jaded when I was a kid.

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    29. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay, if you don't want to do cold turkey next week, how about this half-step?

      No channel surfing.

      That is, everytime you reach for the controls you decide what channel you want to watch. On completion of the program you either turn off the TV or select the next channel you had already decided to watch. Don't use the up/down button.

      See if this is more sustainable for the one week.

      -cmh

    30. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by h4rm0ny · · Score: 5, Funny


      A quote from my father:
      This internet thing is killing the art of watching television.

      (I don't have one either).

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    31. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by dustmote · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I feel like I go both ways on that one. On the one hand, I hate most TV now that I don't have it myself, because it very quickly becomes inane and a timewaster, but at the same time, it's really difficult for me to ignore one when they're on. I think I'm pretty susceptible to a flickering screen designed to make me pay attention. That's why I almost never turn them on - it bothers me that I have such a hard time blocking them out. I like my life without television. With television, I don't even notice my life for hours at a time. Bleah.

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    32. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by NDPTAL85 · · Score: 1

      And why would we want kids to reduce or give up TV altogether in the first place?

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    33. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      Not owning a TV stops being cool the moment you feel you need to tell people you don't own a TV.

    34. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by stwrtpj · · Score: 1
      Here's the scary thing: the longer you go without watching, the more all the shows REALLY SUCK when you try to start again.

      Man, you said it. I don't even get as far as turning the TV on anymore. Just the ads on the radio for these shows make me want to puke.

      For me, it was getting married that did it. I used to be a huge TV watcher, but then I met a woman who was just the opposite. The euphoria of love + marriage cushioned the withdrawal nicely, though I made one exception. No way was I giving up Babylon 5. Hell, I got HER hooked on it, and she agrees with me to this day that it was probably the last intelligent thing put on TV since.

      I really hope this push to get cable companies to offer a la carte programming goes through. I'd take only VH1 Classic (for my 80's music buff wife) and History Channel (for me).

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    35. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Lord+Kano · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As a child I watched almost nothing but educational programs. As an adult I continue to watch lots of educational programs.

      You speak of TV as if it's inherently bad. It's not.

      I suppose that as the number of available channels has increased the signal to noise ratio has gotten much worse, but there is still a lot of good programming out there.

      LK

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    36. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by HybridJeff · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly, why watch TV. Just download the shows you cant miss and watch them on your computer.

    37. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by bahwi · · Score: 1

      It's taken me almost two years to get back into South Park!

      THE HORROR! THE HORROR!

    38. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by danielems · · Score: 1

      Our church, Sojourn, is encouraging people to make April "Kill Your TV Month", while encouraging people to spend time cultivating beauty (reading, painting, going to the park, writing music).

      Many people in our church are making exceptions, too. "I just got started watching Alias" or "Saturday Night Live had Janet Jackson!" After the first two nights, I noticed a huge difference in the way I communicated with my wife and daughter. I also noticed that I suddenly had time to do things, when I would have complained about being too busy before.

      I encourage everyone to try turning off the tube for a week. You'll thank yourself (now does that sound like a parent, or what?)

    39. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Alkaiser · · Score: 1

      It's hopeless wehn you time the damn thing so poorly.

      This event coincides with:

      The NBA Playoffs.
      The NHL Playoffs.
      Opening of MLB season.

      Yeah...I see this happening. I watch maybe 4 hours of TV a month normally. I'd participate in this if it weren't in the middle of the one month of TV I cared about. Check the schedule next year, geniuses.

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    40. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by zymurgy_cat · · Score: 4, Interesting

      One reason that I don't watch television is because of all the awful advertising. It seems like for every three minutes of programming there are two minutes of commercials.

      One of the best channels on TV is Noggin. From 6 am to 6 pm, it's kids' programming with no commericials. Instead, they have songs, little games, or "mini-shows" between the major programs. (They run advertising the other 12 hours when they're programming for older kids.)

      This, of course, has conditioned my kids to be adverse to advertising. One day, we let my older son stay up to watch some animated show on another channel. Everytime a commericial came on, he kept asking if the show was over. We had to explain what the commericials were. He seemed to become thoroughly unimpressed with the idea of someone interrupting his show with other stuff.

      On a side note, I think Noggin is a great example of how you can make something in TV/cable/satellite that people would actually be willing to pay good money for. The only reason I have my existing level of cable service is because of Noggin. If they didn't have it, I'd have almost nothing beyond the basic/extended package.

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    41. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Im in the same boat with my daughter and she asked the same question about her show being over. I found the best thing todo is buy kids shows on DVD. That why they can tell you what they want to watch and no commercials. Some disney DVD advertise for disney movies but I normally just turn the video input to a blank one for a minute and let it load.

      My goal in life is to block as many AD's as humanly possible. I might write a book on how hard it is :-)

    42. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Golias · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Pardon me for threadjacking an early section of the posts, but I see the general trend here is for people to proclaim that TV is, at best, a harmless vice. I would like to take this opportunity to proclaim that I love television.

      Sure, a lot of it is crap, but if you apply Sturgeon's Law, TV holds its own in its obligation to provide 5% non-cruddy content. Setting aside prime-time gems like "Alias" and the ill-fated "Firefly", several of the late-night talk shows (Letterman, Kilborn, and O'Brien) provide relaxing, disposable laugh-filled entertainment on a nightly basis.

      Then there's the wonder of Japanese TV, especially anime, made available at more reasonable priced than ever thanks to the rise of DVD and cable re-broadcasts. "Last Exile" is a science fiction series which shames George Lucas's best work, let alone his recent disappointments.

      So, if anything, I plan on watching even more TV next week, to pick up the slack from those of you who are taking a break.

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    43. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by jokell82 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But giving up the internet for a week? That would be hard my friend...

      I used to think so, too. But a few months ago I went without the internet for about 2 weeks. It was great. Sure I didn't have much contact with my friends at other schools, but I did a lot more reading and I was outside a lot more. Granted I was kinda behind on the news, and a few friends thought I had died, but in all it was a good two weeks.

      Of course now I've gone back to being online quite a bit, but going without the Internet isn't as hard as some people might think. (geez, I sound like an addict)

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    44. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by NDPTAL85 · · Score: 1

      Yes but would you want to socialize EVERY NIGHT?

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    45. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by dcsmith · · Score: 1
      I'm willing to bet that the decline in TV watching following a week of abstinence gradually goes away. Kind of like dieting, losing weight, and gradually slipping back into your old bad habits. I know that's how it worked for me.

      I spent three weeks in Africa a few years ago - no TV, barely phone service, and that only occasionally so the 'net was right out. After I got back, I realized that I had been feeding my mind a hell of a lot of visual junk food, and my TV viewing dropped off drastically. Two years later, I was pretty much back to where I had started from.

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    46. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by HeyLaughingBoy · · Score: 1
      The problem with TV is when people get bad viewing habits

      And that's exactly the reason these turn off TV things don't work: the people who just use it to veg out won't turn it off, and the people who don't mind turning it off, well... don't care that much about it anyway.

      On an average night (unless Penn&Teller's "Bullshit" is on, or we're watching a movie) we actually pay real attention to the TV for only about an hour. Could I go a whole week without ever turning it on? Yes, but what would be the point? And I think a lot of people feel pretty much the same way.

      As far as the impact of TV on my 3 y.o. son: unless I'm really tired and need to rest, he's lucky if he watches more than 1/2 hour of kids shows a day. I'd rather have him drawing or playing than zombified in front of a TV. We've already decided he's not getting his own TV until he's old enough to get a job and buy one himself!
    47. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by UnanimousCoward · · Score: 1

      Before dishing out the disdain, I wonder how many /.ers would consent to going offline for a week. Yeah, yeah, I know, you need to be online for your occupation, but the point of the no-TV thing is the amount of wasted time and addiction is inherent in TV-watching. So, during that week, how about not surfing 'time-wasting' sites? And, BTW, that includes PR0N :-)

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    48. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Friends? What the Friendly Noise W#$&%@$%@$

      I would undestand if 24h (FOX) is on.

    49. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ditto. Why pay for a TV when you can get the best series as DivX (usually DVD rips) from edonkey without the commercials?

    50. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No no, there's a medium with a more than 99% crap rate.

      They call it rap music.

    51. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by NDPTAL85 · · Score: 1

      So what exactly does your family do in the hours between dinner and night time at home?

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    52. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Golias · · Score: 1

      And yes, I'm aware of the irony of my post extolling the virtues of TV while containing so many spelling errors, so there's no need to point it out. TV probably does make me too lazy to hit the "Preview" button and spell-check... but then again it could be that I just don't care enough.

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    53. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by najay · · Score: 1

      I let slashdot do the thinking for me.

    54. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Trifthen · · Score: 1

      Why should we? I watch South Park and The Daily Show - everything else is basically background noise while I code, browse the web, or even read a book. Between video games, the internet, my rather hard to break reading habit, and many other different distractions, TV is just one of many ways I have to waste my time. ^_^

      I already watch far less TV than in times past, so why should I participate in some pointless crap like this? You say it's an excuse, but I say "Who the fuck cares?" Ok, so I didn't watch TV for a week, and that accomplished what, exactly? Look at the statistics that have been reported on Slashdot multiple times recently a time or two. TV viewership has already been severly curtailed recently simply due to competition with other forms of media. So, what's the point?

      So I guess even your friends are wrong: it's not a good idea, even in theory. Maybe it was, once upon a time, but times change.

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    55. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry.. Your posting here pretty much ensures you're going to be a no-life something nerd.

    56. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Argnoth · · Score: 1, Insightful
      She would never think Slashdot was interesting, so you can guess that gaming is out of the question.

      Just because she isn't into slashdot doesn't always mean that she wouldn't be into gaming, my wife isn't too big on slashdot, programming, or even computers, but she sure does love to play computer games and our gamecube. So what I'm really just trying to say is that's an incorrect generalization.
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    57. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1

      What kind of gaming? Pen-and-paper RPGs can be played by just about anyone, so long as everyone has enough tolerance for the least-talented player.

    58. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by vwjeff · · Score: 1

      But giving up the internet for a week? That would be hard my friend.

      You make a great point. I have cable TV however my viewing habits have changed over the past few years. There are only a select few programs I watch. The rest of the time I am on my computer.

      I like to seek information and entertainment on my own. I believe this is why I spend more time on my computer than watching TV.

    59. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Tal0n · · Score: 1

      Bittorrent

    60. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Halfbaked+Plan · · Score: 1

      What about the news? Does it cease to happen if we don't watch it point-by-point as it happens? Henry Thoreau recorded some interesting thoughts on 'the news' in his essay Walden.

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    61. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by uvasmith · · Score: 2, Informative

      Temperance is something geeks end up having to learn in order to work with the rest of society.

      Temperance refers to avoiding excess and is often used with respect to drinking and other vices, though is not limited to them. I think you meant tolerance.

    62. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by flewp · · Score: 1

      Hard? Try impossible. How else would I keep in contact with all my friends and family? Pay my bills? Keep up with the news?

      Phone, pen and paper, postal service, tv. There you go!

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    63. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by egarland · · Score: 1

      That's funny, I've noticed the same thing. Since I got my ReplayTV I'm getting really annoyed with NPR's stupid blurbs at the beginning and end of every show. It's advertizing, plain and simple. If they would just spend less money, they wouldn't need to advertize so much and they could put more programming in an hour. When I'm watching live TV I can get to about the second commercial and then I can't take it anymore. It starts to really annoy me.

      I've become very sensitive to adds. I like that, I like not being bombarded with adds. I've even started buying shows on DVD.

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    64. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by rtaylor · · Score: 1

      I've gone nearly 4 years without TV aside from the occasional DVD rental. The 1st to 3rd years when I was at my parents I would watch the movie channel almost constantly. Now I've given that up as well.

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    65. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "One reason that I don't watch television is because of all the awful advertising. It seems like for every three minutes of programming there are two minutes of commercials."

      this is exactly why i had to give up TV... i overdosed on advertising.

      for the last time, i dont want a cel phone, an SUV, viagra, pepsi, mcdonalds, or any of that crap.

      what i want is some entertainment, and thats getting awful hard to find in this age of "reality" shows.

      the same problem has driven me away from commercial radio. sure NPR has ads too, but they generally keep them pretty tasteful & unobtrusive.

    66. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by killjoe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      SMACK.

      How dare you leave off the daily show with John Stewart. The funniest show on TV.

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    67. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by mopomi · · Score: 1

      We read. After our son goes to bed, we will browse the web, look at dream houses for sale, whatever--spend time with each other, talking about life, our day, etc. . .

    68. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by jandrese · · Score: 1

      Who gets paper versions of their bills anymore? Even my Mom pays online now. Still, most bills can wait a week if you're turning off the net, and you can just send the funds for the mortgage a week early if you happen to cross a month boundry.

      Not reading my email at work for a week would probably not go over very well though, plus it would take me another week to catch up afterward. Ugh.

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    69. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by SurgeonGeneral · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You want to know whats wrong with television?
      Fine.
      Here it is:

      A television screen works by scanning a picture onto a matrix of "dots", and a standard TV has 512 of these dots. At no time is there every a picture displayed on the screen, but rather each dot is sequentially scanned many times per second. The senses are able to correlate that data very quickly and form a picture. This is based on the Gestalt principle, which says that elements that are similar and congruent will be brought together.

      The funny thing is, the way the picture is displayed seems to hypnotize people. Scientific studies have shown that, within about 10 seconds of watching TV, the brain slips out of alpha waves and into beta waves (like you're sleeping). The right half of the brain (the logical half) literally shuts off, and the TV engages the left, emotional half. This basically shortcircuits normal, rational thought, allowing for the television to establish subtle emotional reactions and attach them to whatever they wish, normally a product, maybe a politician, always an ideology.

      In social psychology there is an effect known by the Elaborative Likelihood Model. This states : "persuasion can take either a central or a peripheral route. The central route requirs a person to think critically about the argument ... at issue is the acutal substance of the argument, not its emotinal or superficial appeal. The peripheral route refers to attempts in which the change in the brain is associated with positive stimuli - like a sports star or musician - that actually have nothing to do with the substace."

      Seeing as television naturally turns off the central route, advertisers literally have an interface into your brain. Famous adman Tony Schwartz said the key to advertising on television is striking "the resonant chord", meaning to get you to buy a product, or think about it next time you're shopping, you just have to hit that one key, attach that one emotion, and the sale is made. Adbusters has created a slogan based on this effect : "The product is you". Advertisers basically pay for the opportunity to strike that chord. You're emotions and ideals get really fucked up in the process.

      It can be insidious. Product placement is a very real concern, because as you are in your "relaxing, disposable, laugh-filled" mood when watching Letterman, its very easy to make you think things you normally wouldnt, and have you make associations that are invalid. People like you are the perfect consumer, the perfect pawn, the perfect mark, because you have no idea what you are getting into when you flick on the idiot box.

      I'll leave you with this quote, from a very wise man whose name escapes me at the moment :

      "Be very careful with what you put into your head, because you'll never, ever get it out."

      .

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    70. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by SurgeonGeneral · · Score: 4, Informative

      By the by, that quote is from "Psychology : The Science of Behavior" by Niel Carlson et. al. which I just so happened to have beside me because of my psych exam this morning.

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    71. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by starm_ · · Score: 1

      without commercials!

    72. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by ragnar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your point on the laugh track is well taken. I have been tv free for several years and recently watched an episode of "friends" at a hotel. The laugh track was terribly distracting and jumped right out at me. I can't help but think most people watch the whole show and never notice.

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    73. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by m0smithslash · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I used to agree with the "at least its something we do together", but not anymore. Watching TV is NOT a group activity. Just try starting a conversation with someone watching the "brain sucker". Watching TV is at best a number of individuals watching something, but there is certainly no togetherness involved. Just like when you come on a wreck on the freeway, everyone is watching, but they are not "bonding" in any way.

      So why would the girlfriend want to watch TV with you? A couple of reasons. First, she knows she is wasting time, but if she is doing it "with" ( in the same room ) you, then she is not wasting time, but spending it with you. Its kind of romantic in a completely lame way. But if you aren't wasting time with her, but are wasting time on games, then you are both just wasting time because there is no togetherness. See how much sense it makes? What you need to do is remeber that relationships are 50-50. So, if you are going to waste time in a together sort of way watching the boob tube, then she should waste an equal amount of time doing something you enjoy, be it games, slashdot, whatever. It will strengthen the relationship, plus non-TV time wasting often allows the couple to communicate (about the game, slashdot postings like this one, etc).

      Second, there is the female need to remake her man. If you are watching tv she likes, then you will be influenced to come in closer contact with your feminine side. So the guys on Friends and Will and Grace can be your role models for a newer better you. If she is not helping, you might get some strange, guy-like ideas that she is trying to shield you from. The solution is to again work out 50-50 time wasting, allowing her to get in touch with her masculine side, especially by reading excellent slash dot posting like this one.

      Lastly, there is the need for companionship. See how women travel in flocks to the restroom, or how they like having a dog? You, as the boyfriend, fill the role of the dog. Someone to sit by her side or at her feet, lavishing her with constant attention and being there for the moment, usually during the commercial, when she needs to pay attention to something other than the TV. The best way not to be her lapdog, insist that she spend as much time being your lapdog as you do for her. I think you get it by now. Let her sit idly by while you play games online. Be sure to acknoldge her presence every 22 minutes by asking her to do something for you. Get something to eat or take the trash out.

      Wait, I had a thought. Check it out. Turn off the TV and the computer and go out into the real world. No, no, no, don't go to a movie. Go swimming, dancing, racquetball, anything that actually causes you heart to pump and for you two to experience a common experience, one in which you are both active participants and not just idle observers.

      Yeah, I know its too crazy to work. Yeah, me too. I need to get back to the next slash dot article. I wonder what's on Friends tonight?

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    74. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by hazzey · · Score: 1

      I'll tell you what I find refreshing. Comercials that are GREAT to watch. No, not just any comercials, the simple ones that play on the cartoon network's Adult Swim. They are always fresh, witty, and simple. Nothing is better than having a 30 second comercial that is just text. Simple easy to produce and keeps the fun alive during the breaks in Futurama and Family Guy.

    75. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh no! If I do this I'm going to miss the latest episode of 24!

      It got rescheduled to Sunday thanks to Bush's address. Oh darn...

    76. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by ragnar · · Score: 1

      You bring up a good point about the social element. If everyone else is zoned out on TV it is a little unrealistic to unplug and expect to have any interaction with others who are still plugged in. I had not thought of it like that before.

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    77. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Therein lies the power of Tivo, besides time-shifting.

    78. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by big+daddy+kane · · Score: 1

      i'm the same way, for me tv mainly consists of idiots being obnoxious and professing their stupidity and commercials that make me question the future of the human race, kind of like slashdot. i'd take broadband over tv anyday

    79. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by brysnot · · Score: 5, Funny

      The funny thing is, the way the picture is displayed seems to hypnotize people. Scientific studies have shown that, within about 10 seconds of watching TV, the brain slips out of alpha waves and into beta waves (like you're sleeping).
      You want to know what the funny thing is? About 10 words into your post my brain slipped out of alpha waves and into beta waves.

    80. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by beforewisdom · · Score: 1
      I mailed that link (subscriber) to people at work and some friends. Already the replies have been: # "Great in theory, but there's a new Friends episode on Thursday. [...]"
      Sounds like the kind of reply you might get from someone being prompted to give up an addiction doesn't it?

      "Just this one show"

      I had a similar thing going on and actually did miss "that one show", but now I no longer do.......most of the time. Otherwise the benefits I enjoy far outweigh missing "that one show".

      I think it is just like jumping into a swimming pool. Once you are in the water you are fine.

      Steve

    81. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well my cable modem didn't stop me.
      The other cable connector I had run is connected to an ATI All-in-Wonder card and I can watch TV while working on the computer.
      I just set it to overlay mode.
      I especially like Food Network, because I get all kinds of good ideas about what to cook for dinner.
      Perhaps some grilled steak, shrimp in garlic butter sauce, mixed green salad, and carrots and crushed pineapple in mayo for desert.

    82. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Golias · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Then why don't I like any of the beers sold advertised during David Letterman's shows? I watch a lot of TV. If there was any truth to your gibberish whatsoever, I would automatically prefer Miller and Budweiser over my favorite mircro-brews... but I think they're shitty.

      It sounds to me like the folks from Adbusters were far more successful at brainwashing you than network TV has been with me.

      The funny thing is, the way the picture is displayed seems to hypnotize people. Scientific studies have shown that, within about 10 seconds of watching TV, the brain slips out of alpha waves and into beta waves (like you're sleeping).

      My God, how I wish that was true! I've been an insomniac for my whole life, and if TV was an effective substitute for sleep (rather than something to occupy my restless waking hours), my problems would be over!

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      Information wants to be anthropomorphized.

    83. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > "Great in theory, but there's a new Friends episode on Thursday. [...]"

      Ewwww. It's too late for this one: brain dammage has already set in, due to
      too much long-term exposure to television, no doubt.

      We lost our TV antenna in a storm in August of 2000 or 2001, and I have never
      missed it; in fact, if someone in the house suggested getting cable or a new
      antenna as a way of solving the problem, I would strenuously object; I like
      things *much* better they way they are now.

      Now, if only the VCR would break... then there wouldn't be videos blaring all
      the time and maybe we could hear ourselves think.

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    84. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Eraser_ · · Score: 1

      Or just get your girl friend addicted to EQ like I did...

      She now has more chars higher level than I do :)

    85. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by sixide · · Score: 1

      College (dorms) is (are) the TV killer. Seriously, with networked computers (games, free shit) and a bunch of your peers next door, TV takes a back seat.

    86. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by beforewisdom · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Here's the scary thing: the longer you go without watching, the more all the shows REALLY SUCK when you try to start again. I once swore off TV for a month (the second week was the hardest). When the month was over, I found that all the shows were stupid, the laugh-tracks were annoying, and there were no good, original stories.
      Its called "waking up" from of the trance you were in.

      I had the same experience when I first went away to college. I would come home after an entire semester of not watching TV and it would all seem moronic to me. By the end of the summer it all seemed like good stuff again..

      Anyone who has any doubt about television effecting their minds should try giving it up for a few weeks as an experiment and then noting how they percieve the quality of the content once they start watching television again.

      Steve

    87. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by ScottGant · · Score: 1

      But you then can't play games like putting the check for the phone into the electric bill envelope and vice-versa...thereby saving you a week or so before everything is shut off.

      You can't do that every time as they quickly catch on...

      But then again, I haven't needed to do this since college...which seems like several life-times ago.

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    88. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Golias · · Score: 1

      I lack cable and therefore am out of the Daily Show loop. Living in a city with 9 crystal-clear broadcast channels doesn't give one much reason to pay monthly fees when a roof antenna provides most of what I need. I can watch stuff like The Soppranos on DVD with the money I save by not getting basic cable.

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    89. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by BlackHawk-666 · · Score: 1
      I switched off the TV broadcasts three years ago and now only watch DVDs. I can honestly say I don't miss it a bit and now have vastly more time to do more interactive stuff...like play music, write code, read SlashDot. I also now have a huge DVD collection with plenty on Anime and classic films to enjoy when I want. Since I can pause when I want I can have a toke or grab a beer in the middle of a flick without missing any action. Also, since there's no fricking ads I watch a film in 30 minutes less time than the TV guys. That adds up to 3.5 hours more time to myself each week...just by not having to see the shitty commercials...let alone all the other crap.

      I'm not saying watching heaps of TV is wrong, just that it's wrong for me.

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    90. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by BlackHawk-666 · · Score: 1
      Heh, I don't know why this got a 'funny' since this is exactly what I do for the couple of shows I really do enjoy on TV. That's basically Futurama (got it all on DVD now), Simpsons (frankly pretty tired of this one now), Invader Zim (thankfully a DVD out soon so I can dump the Divx's), and SATC for my wife (also now all owned on DVD) :-)

      Hmmm, kinda also proves the point that piracy can lead to sales since I have purchased every released DVD of these shows.

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    91. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by srinivas_rc · · Score: 1

      I think if no one, at least i am going to be a part of it. P.S.: I am on vacation for next one month away from my home, mostly travelling & do not have time & access to cell phone and television.

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    92. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even odder still, Star Trek III sucks.

    93. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm, kinda also proves the point that piracy can lead to sales since I have purchased every released DVD of these shows.

      Once more demonstrating right here on Slashdot, the supposed hub of geeks who understand logic, that anecdotal evidence == proof.

    94. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So does that mean you're not going to call *me* your daddy anymore?

    95. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by the+JoshMeister · · Score: 1
      Here's the scary thing: the longer you go without watching, the more all the shows REALLY SUCK when you try to start again. I once swore off TV for a month (the second week was the hardest). When the month was over, I found that all the shows were stupid, the laugh-tracks were annoying, and there were no good, original stories. Since then, I pretty much only watch Discovery/History channels with a rare forray into the SciFi channel. When we move in the next few months, I won't be taking cable with me (except the Roadrunner part).

      How true this is. I voluntarily went without TV for two years , believe it or not. I honestly didn't watch all that much TV beforehand, but being without it for so long made me realize what a waste of time TV really can be. I now watch a lot less than I used to, and I really don't miss it any.

      TV definitely has its advantages, don't get me wrong. The occasional educational show can be entertaining and informative. What's more, it's great to just be able to spend time with a significant other after a long day, and when it's too late to go out, an hour of TV can be a nice way to unwind together (especially when The Simpsons is on, natch).

      Seems to me like giving up TV for a week (even if TiVoing/taping episodes) is a really good idea. It could really help people realize how dependent they might really be on their TVs. I encourage anyone who's never done it to give it a try. You might wind up cutting out some of the less important (or utterly pointless) shows, increase your productivity, and become a marginally happier person because of it.

    96. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by NDPTAL85 · · Score: 1

      Thats it? Just read? How is reading for hours any different from watching TV for hours? Depending on how descriptive the author is you may actually have less to conceptualize or imagine than a TV show would require. And how does a family read TOGETHER? Do you all peer over the same book?

      As for talking, you can talk during TV you know. Thats what the commercials are for. As for talking about life and your day....well aren't your lives and days pretty much the same everyday? Doesn't it get boring discussing the same thing?

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    97. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Vellmont · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So the "alpha state zombie" effect isn't true for say.. a movie, or a play? Your techno-geek explanation sounds nice, but I don't buy it without context. The same " At no time is there every a picture displayed on the screen" thing is true for a computer monitor, do I turn into an zombie when I surf the internet too?

      The thing that's wrong about TV is that people have become too enamored with unreality. People get a very distored picture of the world through TV, and too many assume that it's real. The "news" is contains little content and all emotion. Then Oprah comes on spewing her further distored trash. I still watch TV of course, but in recent years the trash has overtaken anything of value.

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    98. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Brandybuck · · Score: 1

      I was starting to get persuaded by your arguments, until I got to the point where you talked about wonderous Japanese television. Sheesh, you had me going for a while...

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    99. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by SacredNaCl · · Score: 1

      TV Turnoff week in the middle of the Stanley Cup Playoffs?? I think NOT! One of the few things left on the TV that a man can enjoy. The rest is pure misandry, propaganda, political correctness, and stories about puppies & celebrities (*same thing).

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    100. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by eblis · · Score: 1

      "relationships are 50-50. So, if you are going to waste time in a together sort of way watching the boob tube, then she should waste an equal amount of time doing something you enjoy"

      This is awesome. Are you even in a relationshiop? There are not 50-50, and you can bet she won't be around much longer when you start asking her to be resonable and keep things "equal."

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    101. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "Be very careful with what you put into your head, because you'll never, ever get it out."

      What a beautiful quote to summarize your post. Your post is full of the same sort of gibberish that behavioural psychologists have been spewing all through the last hundred years or so. This same sort of thing was used to prove the negro is inferior because of his facial angle, to prove that rock and roll turns people in primitive savages with its wild, jungle rhythms... the ideas persisted long after the social desire that "justified" fudging the results a little evaporated.

      Th left half/right half thing has been particularly insidious in holding on. The simple idea that the left half is the seat of all rational thought, and that you can nicely snip out that bit, it's patently nonsense.

      The studies which established that were based on epileptic patients who'd had their brains therepeutically cut in half, as I'm sure you, the psychology student, know. That's like Freud building a theory of the entire human psyche primarily by talking to emotionally disturbed women. Not representative of the entire population. A brain that has been cut in half works that way... a brain that hasn't works far differently.

      Consider that if you cut a car in half, the back will seem to be for storing cargo, and the front for moving the car forward. The front will work for a little while until there's no more gas in the pipeline. Connect the two, and you realize that the back is critical because it has fuel, electrical system, computer systems.... all sort of things you didn't realize did anything to move the car, because they weren't doing anything while the car was cut in half. You labelled them as "unknown purpose."

      PET scans have revealed a far more complex picture of the working of the brain. Brain waves are the very crudest way in which to measure the brain's functions... a single overall wave for trillions of neurons.

      TV's a pretty messed up medium, but introductory undergraduate psychology textbooks are far worse.

    102. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by robbityca · · Score: 1
      My girlfriend would argue that she would rather me be a TV junkie, because at least that is something we can do together.

      I get the same thing. It's really odd, though. Consider the scene: two people sitting on a couch. The TV is on.

      scenario 1: I watch TV. Everything's fine. There's no conversation or anything but "we're together."

      scenario 2: I'm working on my laptop sitting next to my wife who's watching TV. Result? We're NOT being together!

      Go figure!

    103. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can justify your compulsive TV watching, but the theory is still sound despite the fact that you don't like shitty beer.

    104. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by NineNine · · Score: 1

      So what exactly does your family do in the hours between dinner and night time at home?

      We get baked and talk. It's much more stimulating than sitting in front of a goddamned TV.

    105. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      and you can bet she won't be around much longer when you start asking her to be resonable

      Somebody's a little bitter. Maybe if you lost a few pounds and got some real interests you could get an 'equal' kind of gal.

    106. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No no, there's a medium with a more than 99% crap rate.

      They call it rap music.


      I thought that would have been AC posting on Slashdot. As for me, I always post with my logged-in ID because I don't care about burning karma.

    107. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Unless you die soon, Bush raised your taxes!" He cut taxes for all taxpayers (only a minority of whom are rich). Live a long time? Thankfully, Bush is trying to make the tax cuts for the middle class permanent.

    108. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by br0d · · Score: 1

      Brilliant.

    109. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... dont forget your tinfoil hats when using your cell phones.

      I would stop watching tv, but its the only thing that keeps me awake for more than 8 hrs a day.

      To quote an animated box of fries,
      "TV is evil, but we fucking need it"

    110. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by tierra · · Score: 1

      I did the same for about a month when I moved into an apartment with some friends. We didn't get around to getting internet hooked up for a long time, and I missed it for the first week, but eventually, I didn't even care.

    111. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by SurgeonGeneral · · Score: 1

      Then why don't I like any of the beers sold advertised during David Letterman's shows? I watch a lot of TV. If there was any truth to your gibberish whatsoever, I would automatically prefer Miller and Budweiser over my favorite mircro-brews... but I think they're shitty.

      Excuse me, but your circumstantial evidence about what beer you like is hardly a rebuttal to my scientific and heavily researched evidence. I hardly ever read adbusters, I just happened to have stumbled across the "The product is you" campaign.

      Behavioral psychology has been used in advertising for about 80 years now, with ever increasing succes. There are now hundreds of "consumer behavior" research facilities, and, quite literaly, every single advertising campaign now launched has undergone extensive psychological testing and is based in the psychological premises that these research facilities produce. You can find out more by reading a book, which obviously you havent. I have, and thats why what you say is meaningless garbage, and what I say is the start off point of interesting thoughts and conversation.

      By the way, the answer to your question is something that wouldnt occur to you : The primary goal of the advertising of almost every product is to get you to buy the product. What you are talking about is "differentiation", and that is a more difficult thing to induce in consumers. First and foremost is to make you want the product however. This is often done, as everyone knows, with sex and social hierarchies, portraying, for instance, beer drinking as fun and extroverted. They hit the chord that makes you think of sex, fun and friends, and they do it in a bar setting, focused on people drinking beer. BEER = fun friends and sex. oh by the way, BUDWEISER.
      Hmm.. how many different beers does Anauser-busch make?? does it really matter whats on the label? Would you even be able to tell in a blind taste test? (no)

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    112. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by SurgeonGeneral · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The same " At no time is there every a picture displayed on the screen" thing is true for a computer monitor, do I turn into an zombie when I surf the internet too?

      The Elaborative Likelihood Model is not limited to television, it can be induced in any environment with any medium. Television just happens to make it very easy.

      If you would like some context for the model, I have posted a reply to another guy that contains some interesting information and gives a very basic understanding of beer commercials. Hmm I'll just quote it :

      The primary goal of the advertising of almost every product is to get you to buy the product. What you are talking about is "differentiation", and that is a more difficult thing to induce in consumers. First and foremost is to make you want the product however. This is often done, as everyone knows, with sex and social hierarchies, portraying, for instance, beer drinking as fun and extroverted. They hit the chord that makes you think of sex, fun and friends, and they do it in a bar setting, focused on people drinking beer. BEER = fun friends and sex. oh by the way, BUDWEISER.
      Hmm.. how many different beers does Anhauser-busch make?? does it really matter whats on the label? Would you even be able to tell in a blind taste test? (no)


      The fact that there is a product in commercials at all is just an excuse to brainwash. It doesnt really matter whats on the label, and if you want to go even further, it doesnt even matter what the product is. The more people buying ANYTHING = more profit for everyone = more GDP = stocks go up etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum.

      Corporations are so big and own so many thing you cant help but give the largest ones money. For instance, if you have a thing of Kraft peanut butter in your fridge, you have given your money to Phillap Morris, one of the largest Tobacco companies in the world (and believe me, they know how to use advertising)

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    113. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by System.out.println() · · Score: 1

      Wow, that took skill. You got double the amount of karma by omitting that info from your first post. Congrats. ;)

    114. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by System.out.println() · · Score: 1

      The same " At no time is there every a picture displayed on the screen" thing is true for a computer monitor, do I turn into an zombie when I surf the internet too?


      Some of us avoid that question altogether by using an LCD. ....you insensitive clod! XD

    115. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      It may be quoted in that book, but it's originally from from Thomas Cardinal Wolsey (1471-1530).

      http://www.cs.utk.edu/~mcsurley/weeklyquotes.htm l

    116. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by egarland · · Score: 1

      If you increase spending you are either increasing taxes now or later since all spending is paid for by taxes. Since he didn't increase taxes now, he essentially increased them later.

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    117. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by pizza_milkshake · · Score: 1
      I used to agree with the "at least its something we do together", but not anymore. Watching TV is NOT a group activity.

      neither is sex, but hey.

    118. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by lymond01 · · Score: 1

      "do more interactive stuff...like play music, write code, read SlashDot"

      So no human interaction though? Pssht, it's overrated anyway...

    119. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by LinuxHam · · Score: 1

      Who gets paper versions of their bills anymore?

      Come on, now, being just a tad bit futuristic, aren't we? Do you seriously believe that not one person anywhere receives not one paper bill anymore? I used CheckFree back in the 80's, so I'm about as tech as it gets with respect to bill payment. That said, I never *ever* permit vendors to automatically debit my checking account. Instead, I schedule pushes as much as possible and e-bills whenever possible. But I still get paper bills from Comcast, the water company, god damned Wells Fargo Mortgage (PLEASE don't send me a bill if I'm caught up), Verizon (even though they started sending e-bills months ago), Nextel (Yet they make PDFs available.. PLEASE give me the option to shut off the paper copy), the condo association, the local tax collector, and lets see.. anyone I forget? I think that's enough to make the point. We get ebills from the power/gas company, verizon, and our insurance guy.

      If you are honestly shocked that anyone could possibly still get a paper bill, then you need to get back to reality. I respect your low UID, but that usually means you have a greater sense of reality than the usual lot around here.

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    120. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by m0smithslash · · Score: 1

      Wel, now let's think about it. If 50-50 means you do all the giving and she does all the getting, is it really worth the effort? Eventually, you will lose all self-respect and she will get bored. not good.

      In reality, most females are glad to participate more in "your life". They may whine about it at the time, but afterwards they are glad they did. Its like seeing an animal in the zoo versus its natural habitat. The zoo is more convient/confortable but the natural habitat is more awesome.

      If she's not willing, then she might just be controlling and its better to get out of that situation early.

      You don't or set a timer. "Hey, we suffered through 2 hours of chick-flicks, now we have to play 2 hours of StarCraft". Sounds cheesy even typing it. No, PLAN SOMETHING and invite her to participate in your activity. Something like "Hey, me and some friends are going to being playing StarCraft at 7:00, wanna join us?" Be positive and unaplologetic. If she balks, then just make it clear that those are the plans and you wish she could join you. It is still your life and you need to take time to do the things you like, every now and again.

      Even better, like I said before, turn off the computer and the TV and go do stuff really together. The best way for a relationahip to grow is to include your whole self. That means that you need to not only think about and talk about it, but actually do physical (no, not that kind of physical) things as well. That will give you new things that are shared.

      Our minds, bodies and emotions are inextricably connected. If I go do something exciting, like ride a roller coaster, with someone, I will remember that I was excited and I was with this person so therefore I was excited to be with this person. By doing things that make our body feel good with someone, we train ourselves to feel good about that person. Likewise, if we sit bored with a person, we soon feel bored about the person. By increasing he type and the variety of experiences we have with a person, the more connected we feel to them. This variety should include mental, emotional and physical. And no I am not talking about the bedroom, so get your mind out of the gutter.

      I have been married 15+ years and going strong.

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    121. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Vellmont · · Score: 1

      Sure, the goal of advertising is to make you feel familiar with a product so when I go into a store and make the 3 second decision of what brand to buy, I'm more likely to go with the familiar product than a generic.

      I'm sure advertisers think they're trying to attatch an emotion to their product, but does anyone really feel emotional attatchment towards the brand of toilet paper they buy? People mostly make choices that are familiar, especially when most differences between products are more or less equal. For instance, I buy crest toothpaste because it's just what I grew up with, and I don't really see any differences between the different products (including price). I buy old-spice however because I like the smell of it. Food I'll generally buy the higher quality product because I value higher quality food more than I do price. Food is also something I'm more willing to take a risk on and figure out which product is higher quality since I buy food every week. "Didn't like that brand of diced tomatoes, try another". I suppose if you don't see any quality differences between diced tomatoes, you'd just buy the most familiar brand (or maybe the cheapest if you value savings) like my toothpaste example.

      Is TV advertising really "brainwashing" though, as you suggest? (A very loaded term that I'm not sure has a very precise definition) I guess only if you really think the choices people make based on advertising really matter. Who cares if I choose Charmin over Scotts toilet paper? It's really a minor decision in life that shouldn't take much consideration. Is it brainwashing just because some advertisement tipped the scale that was otherwise equally balanced? Is consumerism really that important in life?

      The only choice I can think of that's heavily influenced by advertising that really matters is pharmaceuticals. The pharmaceutical industry spends billions of dollars a year trying to get consumers to make decisions that a doctor should (in general) be making. The billions of dollars spent of marketing is one of the big reason prescription drugs are so damn expensive. They actually spend more on marketing and advertising than they do on R&D. They do it because it's effective, though there's no relationship between effectiveness of a drug, and how much mass advertising is pumped into it.

      Even the doctors are hornswaggled by the whole thing. They have slimy pharmaceutical reps giving out marketroid pitches about their products. The biggest problem is there's little objective comparison for even the doctors to make good decisions on what drugs to prescribe. On top of that they have irrational patients wanting to be prescribed the "familiar" drugs they saw on the TV, and not the "cheap generic" or "knockoff" they 've never heard about. Nevermind that the unfamiliar drug is just as effective or more than the heavily advertised drug.

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    122. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If not TV, it should really be called "National internet/computer shutdown Week". Think about it... we all spend WAY too much time on these damn machines anyway ;) If you're like me, you don't watch TV anyway because there's so much more with the internet the way it is.

      Don't try to pass it off as a necessary tool for the real world... take a vacation from your job and try communicating via other older forms of communication, be that by telephone, snail mail, telegram, or carrier pigeon.

      Good Luck all.

    123. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > The funny thing is, the way the picture is displayed seems to hypnotize people.

      So we're immune if we watch TV shows on an LCD display?

    124. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by mopomi · · Score: 1
      Well, for one, reading encourages learning, not ADHD in young children. For two, reading is a much more interesting pass-time than watching something fed to me. I am *never* interrupted with some stupid commercial about some stupid person's vaginal itch. I don't have to change the volume of the book when I flip the page because some dumbass is yelling, "I'M A WILDMAN WHEN IT COMES TO CUTTING PRICES!!!"

      I choose what I read and when I read it. TV *never* gives me more to imagine than a book. I imagine every little detail, no matter how it's described by the author. In a TV show, it's given to me with absolutely no choice as to what I see or hear. In a book, from the way a room is decorated to the facial expressions of the people in a conversation, to the sounds in whatever environment--it's all in *my* head. The author plants the seed and I do the rest.

      Can you picture the way your favorite actor frowns? Can you now picture someone else frowning? say, a young woman with a cane? I didn't describe anything but that a female of moderate age, with a cane, was frowning--you filled in the rest. What color hair does she have? what color eyes? did she scowl or just frown? does she have a large or small nose? is her hair short or long? does she have her arms crossed? It's up to you! What scene was your favorite actor in when s/he was frowning?

      We read TO our son, we read WITH our son, and we read to each other-- you know, family interaction. . . Commercials don't allow us to do that. My family doesn't get boring, and if yours does, I sincerely pity you. My every-day life is never the same day-to-day, and I wouldn't presume my wife's is, so I ask her about it.

      In the evenings, we play ball with our son, we rough house with our son, we color with our son, we go for walks, we talk to family and friends on the telephone, we listen to music and dance, in short, we spend time WITH each other, getting to know each other even more--not just sitting next to each other.

      We also spend the odd Monday and Friday evenings playing D&D with our friends, which is another way to be imaginative and interactive without having every detail of something force-fed to us (and without loud, annoying commercials every few minutes).

      We also listen to the radio on weekend mornings (NPR, usually since it's the only thing that's not terribly boring to listen to).

    125. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Next week?!?! That's terrible fucking timing. The NHL playoffs are in full swing, and unless your home town team happens to be playing, you can't hear the game on the radio.

    126. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by SurgeonGeneral · · Score: 1

      I'm sure advertisers think they're trying to attatch an emotion to their product, but does anyone really feel emotional attatchment towards the brand of toilet paper they buy?

      That is very far from the point. The point is to have subtly queue you, to motivate you towards a certain decision, to frame the product under certain emotional contexts that will guide your decision later. Its a subconcious thing.

      the goal of advertising is to make you feel familiar with a product so when I go into a store and make the 3 second decision of what brand to buy,

      True on both counts. On what level, its that 3 second *IMPULSIVE* decision that they are counting on, and the attachment of emotions to that product will shape that impulse. A product that you are subconciously emotionally attached to will be more likely bought.

      Who cares if I choose Charmin over Scotts toilet paper? It's really a minor decision in life that shouldn't take much consideration.

      Thats a closedminded statement. Who cares? The people that make BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS selling you bathroom supplies. Thats who. It doesnt matter to you, and they know that. Thats what directing you to a certain product has to be either unconcious, or have a very good argument.

      But I think what you've said begs this comment to be repeated : On many levels the goal of advertising is not to get you to buy a certain product, its to get you to buy. Its to get you to want, to NEED. Having you choose a *particular brand* of a product is not the primary goal in a lot of cases. Thats why television is so dangerous and people launch campaigns against it : there is a concious and directed effort to increase consumption by shaping your thinking while you watch television. Ever wonder why you even need toilet paper in the first place? Didnt think so.

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    127. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by mduell · · Score: 1

      Imola (F1 race in San Marino) is a week from Sunday (in the early AM). Thank goodness the week is over by then! :)

    128. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by GenSolo · · Score: 1

      I understand that you don't quite grasp the idiocy of your statement, but you can increase government revenue without actually raising taxes. You can lower the tax rate, increase the economy, and still increase government revenue because that taxes paid are more dollars despite being a smaller percentage. It worked for JFK when the Republicans were against it. It worked for Reagan when the Democrats were against it. No matter which party wants to lower taxes to stimulate the economy, it works, and the other party says it's fiscally irresponsible. Really, you don't have to raise taxes to support increased spending. On the other hand, I'm not happy with the Bush spending increases.

    129. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by MinotaurUK · · Score: 1
      Exactly, why watch TV. Just download the shows you cant miss and watch them on your computer.

      I often find myself downloading programs I'm going to miss rather than setting up the VCR. Normally the ones I download are recorded from cable with far superior image quality (IQ sucks where I live and I'm not in a cable area). It's also saving me a small fortune in videotapes (but costing a small fortune in new HDDs).

    130. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by TyrranzzX · · Score: 1

      And ya know who perfected the television? (Not invented, but got it working real good)

      The Nazi's!

      :O

      And what was the first thing ever broadcast on television?

      HEIL HITLER!

      :O

      The Nazi Scientists (who were smuggled across the atlantic after the war was over with vatican passes) are also responsable for other inventions such as the Microwave, Long range missile, and birthed modern marketing and psychology.

      Aside from stating the obvious tin-foil-hat laden conspiracy nut realites (which are half-realities from what I'v read, more like one set of truths and a bunch of inconsistancies), once you know what's going on you can easily unfuck yourself. I get really really mad at television now. GRR! I also noticed that after switching my mother over to the computer television instead of regular television, she watches less (and plays a lot more spider solitair and talks on the phone). Is this the same for HDTV?

    131. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by egarland · · Score: 1

      you can increase government revenue without actually raising taxes

      It's true that you can raise spending without raising taxes "at that time" but you have to pay the money back eventually and you pay it through taxes. Raise spending and you are raising taxes now or raising taxes later.

      Polititions love to try to convince us that it's the taxes that are important to the economic health of the country, not the spending. It's a lie. I didn't believe it when Regan did it and I don't believe it now.

      The interesting thing that has come out of the last round seems to be that the markets are getting just slightly smarter than they were in the 80s and are starting to see through the false economy. Maybe I'm just being hopeful but I doubt the trick of spending more than you tax is going to work any more. I think the people who understand financial systems have figured out that it's spending that matters and the markets won't react as well to false tax cuts.

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    132. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Shamashmuddamiq · · Score: 1
      This is bullpie.

      Movie theaters don't display the picture the same way a CRT does, and yet I'd assume people are just as "doped up" in a theater (if not more so) as they are watching TV. By the way, do a Google search on NTSC. There are more than 512 dots on a TV screen.

      The way the picture is displayed has nothing to do with the "hypnotic state." People sit in front of the television TO BE ENTERTAINED! They conciously settle into a very relaxed state -- that's why they sat in front of the television in the first place!

      When a commercial comes, I hit the skip button on my Tivo remote. Now that FOX has started playing commercials during the shows (in the corner of the screen) I don't even watch the Simpsons anymore. Advertisements are not as effective as you think they are, especially to those of us that effectively boycott those companies that have even mildly intrusive or annoying marketing strategies.

      I remember when I took those Psychology classes in college. Repeat after me: "Correlational study."

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    133. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Vellmont · · Score: 2, Interesting


      Who cares if I choose Charmin over Scotts toilet paper? It's really a minor decision in life that shouldn't take much consideration.

      Thats a closedminded statement. Who cares? The people that make BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS selling you bathroom supplies. Thats who. It doesnt matter to you, and they know that. Thats what directing you to a certain product has to be either unconcious, or have a very good argument.


      Of course the companies care which toilet paper I choose, but it really has little effect elsewhere. Many people care about things I put no value on. The fact that other people put different values on things than me is really beside the point. The point is that peoples choice of toilet paper has little effect in the world, so I'm hardly concered at all if some advertisement affects this minor choice in my world. I guess maybe if I hear proctor and gamble rapes puppies, I might think twice about buying Charmin. But everything being equal, it's more of a burden on my to be concerned about such minor decisions.

      We make a nearly infinite amount of choices every day. Which word do I use in this sentence? Do I eat chili, or go out to eat? Do I jump up the stairs, or tiptoe? If you become concerned about if "you" really made the choice (and weren't influence against your will), you'll surely go mad. Some decisions are less important than others. Which toilet paper to buy ranks below do I eat chili tonight for me. The fact that some evil corp is influencing that decision in some minor way doesn't really concern me, since I don't think it's an important decision.


      But I think what you've said begs this comment to be repeated : On many levels the goal of advertising is not to get you to buy a certain product, its to get you to buy. Its to get you to want, to NEED. Having you choose a *particular brand* of a product is not the primary goal in a lot of cases. Thats why television is so dangerous and people launch campaigns against it : there is a concious and directed effort to increase consumption by shaping your thinking while you watch television. Ever wonder why you even need toilet paper in the first place? Didnt think so.


      Sure, I generally agree that advertising often encourages people to think they need something. ALl too often people get burned on this and only feel relieved from a need by buying a product. I think the anti-TV crusaders are going down the wrong path though. Really what you should be doing is teaching people to self analyse. Why do you need that thing? Will it really give you what you think it will? TV isn't the cause of rampant consumerism, so getting people to watch less TV won't solve that problem. Getting people to wake up actually might.

      As far as the "why do you need toilet paper" thought, I _need_ toilet paper because I was raised in a culture where that's the thing we use to get shit off our asses. If I were raised somewhere else, I might use a magic Japanese toilet, or some bizzaro shells to remove the shit. If you've got some better way to remove shit from asses, bring it on. But the problem in selling your product is going to be mainly cultural, not advertising drilled into peoples heads that TP is the only way. Yah, yah, advertising influence the culture, but why doesn't all advertising suceeed then? There's much larger forces at work than simple programming of people through ads. It's far to complicated to address that in this post though (and I doubt I could even tackle that).

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    134. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Actually, standard (NTSC) TV resolution is 720x480, so there are 345,600 dots on the screen. Secondly, the phosphor typically has an emission time of about 16 ms after it is painted with the electron gun. Each element is painted every 16 ms, so by the time the electron gun gets back to an RGB element, it will just have gone completely dark.

      But that's just for CRTs. LCDs don't suffer from that problem, and each element is always "lit," there is no flicker at all because the elements don't change in a light/dark pattern, but simply stay at the same level of luminescence until they change for the next frame. The same goes for Plasma displays, and LCD projector systems.

      In the theater, full frames are flashed every 42 ms, so that is a completely different technology once again... However, soon all theaters will be digital, and use LCD projector systems.

      The point I'm trying to make is that you can still be in a hypnotic state while watching video, no matter what the display technology is.

      I would suggest some good reading on hypnosis: The Battle For Your Mind by Dick Stuphen.

    135. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, from the few programs I've actually kept track of, the ratio isn't quite that bad (though its close enough). Its more in the range of 1 minute of commercials to 3 minutes of show. Still, that makes 15 minutes of commercials in an hour long show. Thank god for Tivo, and for the ability to switch radio stations when they switch to commercials (though the two main clear channel ones I listen too seem to sync up their commercials half the time, very annoying) (and yes, I did have some alternate non-clear channel system to listen to music in my car, but then it broke and I haven't had a chance to fix it yet).

    136. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by GenSolo · · Score: 1

      you can increase government revenue without actually raising taxes

      It's true that you can raise spending without raising taxes "at that time" but you have to pay the money back eventually and you pay it through taxes. Raise spending and you are raising taxes now or raising taxes later.


      It's nice that you didn't bother to respond to what I said. I said you can increase revenue, that is to say, INCOME, without raising taxes. That means, you can pay for your spending by increasing the amount of money the government makes, without raising taxes. I already explained how, so I'm not bothering with that again since you're too dense to get it anyway, but if you want to argue, please actually address the text you quote and respond to.

    137. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by cbreeze34 · · Score: 1

      maybe what's really wrong is that your television only has 512 dots.

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    138. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by egarland · · Score: 1

      But that only works if by spending you increase your income more than you spend.

      There are many places where spending money tends to pay off more than it costs. Spending money on a good education for every child, for example, is one of the main differences that made early America grow the way it did vs. other countries. That definitely has been, and continues to be, a wildly good investment. Universitie's research programs have been great at contributing back to the economies of the areas around them, advancing technology, and raising the standard of living of the country as a whole. Transportation is another place where money spent usually benefits the public (unless we're talking about the Big Dig, the worst waste of money ever). I haven't seen Bush increase spending in much of the areas that help the economy though. The place I see money going is to the invading foreign countries fund, not such a good economic investment. That basically pulls money out of our economy with a vast array of possible returns on our investment, most of them not so positive looking. Also now you will have to raise military compensation to attract the same number of recruits since a military career appears much more dangerous. Put it all together and you have a seriously bad economic stimulus package.

      Since Bush increased spending and it looks doubtful he increased the tax base much, it would appear he just simply will end up having raised our taxes, not now, but down the road. Unless you are old or sick, he probably will have made you significantly poorer in the end. I'm not saying it wasn't worth it. That's up to you to decide. He's done a lot of things with his spending and changed the world in a lot of ways. Just don't kid yourself into thinking it didn't cost you a chunk of money. It did.

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    139. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by SphericalCrusher · · Score: 1

      We have about five televisions in this household (three people live here, including me), but I hardly ever watch cable television. The only time I really use them is for when I watch movies, watch a few shows on cable, or play console video games.

      If anything, you'd think that people who skip watching television for a week would only watch it more. It would only show them how miserable their life is without it. It's sort of similar to cigarettes in a way... you can't just slow down in a short time. (I don't smoke. I just know a ton of people that do.)

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    140. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Freexe · · Score: 1

      If ads didnt work then they really wouldnt bother to make them, I know for a fact that i will support a good ad by buying the product (although i stopped watching tv about a year ago so this isnt true anymore) As for TV sending you too sleep i use this as one of the only ways i can get to sleep these days, without a program to watch it can take hours(or i end up playing counter strike all night) but if i stick on a dvd and i'm off to sleep in a few minutes, it can take me weeks to watch a film all the way through :)

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    141. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by nyseal · · Score: 1

      Holy crap....how has mankind survived as long as it has without it? I like and depend on the internet as well, but if it all ended tomorrow I think we could still all make life work; as inconvenient as it would be. The internet is not the end-all, be-all solution to ANYONE'S problems; and certainly not life.

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    142. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by nyseal · · Score: 1

      I pay for satellite television and basically all I get is either 120 channels of commercial ladden crap or I have to pay extra for premium channels that blow their monthly wad of new programming in the first week of the month and show the same stuff over the next 3 weeks. Serously, what's the point in having pay-tv if you just pay for MORE advertising channels? What nonsense; I think I'll review my satellite bill and sleep on this one.

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    143. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Golias · · Score: 1
      What adbusters and others who "study" such things fail to recognize is that 90% of television marketing is not directed at consumers. Brand placement almost never succeeds at driving sales. It's done to drive stock value.

      The purpose of the Pepsi ads proclaiming "The Choice of a New Generation" is not to talk young, hip kids into drinking Pepsi. It's to convince investors that Pepsi is what the young, hip kids are drinking.

      That's why Budweiser has not gotten me to overlook the shitty rice-tainted flavor of their beer, or even for a moment believe that the associations of fun and sex apply: They're not trying to. They want potential investors to see their ads and think: "They can afford to spend millions on sexy ads during football games, so they must be doing well." If I actually try one of their beers because of the good-looking women in their ads, well that's just gravy.

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    144. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Golias · · Score: 1
      Ads do work. Not for selling product, but for selling shares.

      All those Nike swooshes that cover Tiger Woods helps keep the stock value of Nike up. It sure as hell doesn't "hypnotize" golfers into buying baseball caps, or even Nike golf shoes, as the grandparent post was trying to claim.

      Ever notice how many car commercials brag about being the "#1 selling car in its class"? If you are shopping for a car, do you give a shit if it's selling a lot? I don't. So why do they mention it? Because the purpose of the ad is not to sell you a car, but to convince Wall Street that they are a good company to invest in.

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    145. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Golias · · Score: 1
      The primary goal of the advertising of almost every product is to get you to buy the product.

      No it's not.

      Everything you said after that is based on that false premise, and therefore invalid.

      The primary goal of advertising is to improve the stock portfolio of the company. Profits are nice, but investors are first looking for growth in the value of the shares they own. Advertising helps push the value of shares.

      Look at Coke and Pepsi. Between then, they've spent millions of dollars each year for decades. Yet, they have not managed to get any Coke drinkers to prefer Pepsi or Pepsi drinkers to switch to Coke. What they have done is maintain their strong market positions. (Pepsi doesn't sell quite as well, so they need to do a lot more advertising to keep their visibility up.)

      Hmm.. how many different beers does Anhauser-busch make?? does it really matter whats on the label? Would you even be able to tell in a blind taste test? (no)

      If you can't tell the difference between beers in a blind taste test, you have no business talking about what drives sales in the beer industry. I could hold a slice of lemon in each cheek and still instantly know the difference between a Bud and a Miller, let alone between one of those and a good beer.

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    146. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dead on criticism of the psuedo-scientific nonsense of the parent post. I sincerely hope that meta-mods read your response and tweak down his foolishness accordingly.

    147. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Golias · · Score: 1

      Okay, okay. I admit it's an acquired taste, but I put it to you that "Kino's Journey" is the best lone-traveler anthology since "Kung Fu" went off the air in the early 70's. Anime has gotten considerably better and more varied in the last 5 years or so. It ain't all giant robots and schoolgirls anymore. You might want to give it a second look.

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    148. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by BlackHawk-666 · · Score: 1
      It can be, but none of these need be single person exercises. Playing music, think band. Write code, think open source. Read SlashDot, well, I'm hoping some of you guys are humans and not just bots getting a Turing test workout on the two real humans who still post here :-)

      I definitely socialise more these days too.

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    149. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by AceM2 · · Score: 1

      Your opinions that education, technology, and transportation spending benefit the economy are all fine and dandy... The idea that you shouldn't give the military money is a joke though.

      #1 You can't prosper if you don't have a nation
      #2 The military is an excellent educator
      #3 Future stability is profitable
      #4 Defense spending creates tech (DARPA anyone?)
      #5 What compensations are you talking about? Most that I know of were created in peace time.

      You do realize that Bush has increased Education spending 48% (at least) right?

      As far as transportation funding, the Bush administration has offered up funds and incentives for new vehicle design research. He's also had to deal with giving up funds to protect our transportation security. Defense spending often directly helps with transportation research & development as well. Not sure what you want him to do exactly or what part of transportation you're referring to.

      Universities and research hospitals are getting plenty of money as it is, and there's no reason why we should give them more government welfare money while the private industry is more than happy to pour in billions.

      Lastly, you still fail to address the points. You only spew random complaints about how the government should/shouldn't spend more money. This doesn't have anything to do with what the poster was saying.

      The poster stated that the lowering of taxes stimulates the economy. Concentrate on that one argument for a moment.

      You seem to only be using the comment so that you can spread your own agenda and complain about the war.

    150. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by SurgeonGeneral · · Score: 1

      90% of television marketing is not directed at consumers ... The purpose of the Pepsi ads proclaiming "The Choice of a New Generation" is not to talk young, hip kids into drinking Pepsi. It's to convince investors that Pepsi is what the young, hip kids are drinking.

      Are you kidding? The "New Generation" Pepsi campaign is held up as one of the best marketing campaigns ever conducted. It transformed Pepsi from a cheap knock off of Coke to one that captured almost 50 percent of Coke's market share. It moved it from being a minor, relatively unknown beverage to one that now commands a huge profit and changed the corporation that owns it into a multinational with many, many products. I assure you, the fact that they were able to capture such a huge marketshare with that campaign is not because their stock price rose.

      Corporations have a great number of ways to drive up stock prices, but advertising campaigns will only do so when they are successful. Saying the sole purpose of 90% of campaigns is to push stock prices up is not only false but laughable.

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    151. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Yaa+101 · · Score: 1

      Tell your friends that they are weak and pathetic...

    152. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by SurgeonGeneral · · Score: 1

      If you become concerned about if "you" really made the choice (and weren't influence against your will), you'll surely go mad.

      Id rather have honesty than sanity. And besides, getting over the concern is as easy as not watching television and not paying too much attention to other advertising.

      The fact that some evil corp is influencing that decision in some minor way doesn't really concern me, since I don't think it's an important decision.

      But what I just told you is that they arent really influencing your minor decisions, but are trying to get you just to buy in general, and to think in certan ways, for instance to associate ALL NEEDS with products. If you need something, theres a product to fill it an theres an advertiser to make you want it.

      Even still, I cant believe you dont find it problematic that corporations are buying and selling your emotions so that they can be attached to products subconciously. Once every little product and action becomes "value added" in this way, what exactly are you left with? When you feel pain you think band-aid, when you feel sad you think ice-cream, when you feel tired you think television.

      But even more so, the continual manipulation of your emotional responses in any way is detrimental. Your brain is constantly undergoing 're-wiring' as corporations make different associations in your brain. You dont even know what they are doing to your brain in the first place! So, furthermore, you have to trust them that those are THE ONLY associations they are making.

      Let me make this ultra clear : In most cases there isnt even a point in guessing at what the associations they are making are, because its so deep and conveluted, so well-researched and advanced, that the lay person doesnt know a thing.

      If you've got some better way to remove shit from asses, bring it on

      Actually I do, its called, soap, water and YOUR HAND. (and if you are a real consumer purist you will have made your own soap =)

      But thats not the point.

      Heres the point:

      The point is that you, like most other Westerners, would never even consider filling this need with anything other than a product.

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    153. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by SurgeonGeneral · · Score: 1

      I remember when I took those Psychology classes in college.

      Hmm, that would be applicable if I had gotten this knowledge from college Psychology classes, but I didnt. I've only taken one, and it only served to reinfore everything I already knew. My main source for this was from a university Graduate level history class called "The History of Popular Culture", and its because of the unique and original thesis paper I wrote for that class called "A History of the use of Psychological Research in Advertising" which chronicled the beginnings of psychology through Freud-Watson-Skinner and others, into the Gestalt and MR experiments of the fifties and sixties, and on through the modern world of mental manipulation when all the research really came together.

      The way the picture is displayed has nothing to do with the "hypnotic state." People sit in front of the television TO BE ENTERTAINED! They conciously settle into a very relaxed state -- that's why they sat in front of the television in the first place!

      This is such a stupid thing to say I'm not even going to respond. You are clearly just guessing and have ZERO research or knowledge to back this up with.

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    154. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by SurgeonGeneral · · Score: 1

      The primary goal of advertising is to improve the stock portfolio of the company. Profits are nice, but investors are first looking for growth in the value of the shares they own. Advertising helps push the value of shares.

      Uhh , what?
      First of all, that requires that the company be listed on the stock market.

      Secondly, If a company doesnt make any sales, its going to fail. If a company is redlining, its stock is not going to rise. Therefore, the primary goal of any company is to make sales. Without sales, no stock, no company, unless of course the company was set up to dupe stockholders, which is always a likelihood. Therefore, advertising is directed at selling the product, and business magazines, newspapers, red books and any number of other publications are responsible for selling the stock. Stock doesnt sell itself.

      Finally,
      I could hold a slice of lemon in each cheek and still instantly know the difference between a Bud and a Miller, let alone between one of those and a good beer.

      Each beer company makes a large variety of different beers. They own many smaller companies and local brews too. There are many many hundreds of different kinds of beers. If you are trying to tell me each one of them tastes different for all people, I'm done talking with you.

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    155. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by SurgeonGeneral · · Score: 1

      Basically what you are saying is that a high stock price makes a company, and not the REALITY of a situation which is a company makes a high stock price. Its not just some fluke of nature that Intel has a huge share price : they have a highly desired and wellknown product on the market. When people stop buying it, and if Intel hasnt diversified, Intel AND ITS STOCK are dead in the water. Your logic is really fucked up.

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    156. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Golias · · Score: 1
      Are you kidding? The "New Generation" Pepsi campaign is held up as one of the best marketing campaigns ever conducted. It transformed Pepsi from a cheap knock off of Coke to one that captured almost 50 percent of Coke's market share.

      No, the "Pepsi Challenge" is the campaign that put them on the map. Actual sales people in supermarkets conducting "taste tests." That, along with the bungling of "New Coke" is what boosted Pepsi sales... but they never captured 50% of Coke's market share. They never even captured 50% of the total soda market. (Coke remains #1 to this day, and Diet Coke is #3.)

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    157. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Golias · · Score: 1
      Uhh , what?
      First of all, that requires that the company be listed on the stock market.

      Right. And how many companies launch multi-million dollar TV ad campaigns which are not listed on the market (or about to be listed)? That's right. None. Remember the Superbowl a few years ago with all the dot-com IPO ads?

      Sales are important, but TV advertising is not a very effective way to drive them, at least not with large-scale commodity products like cola, beer, toilet paper, cars, computers, etc. Like I said before, I'm a typical watches-a-lot-of-TV American, and I don't make any of my purchasing decisions based on TV ads. Even my "brand awareness" runs counter to what advertisers would like. (For example, my awareness of Nike is that they tend to run too narrow for my feet. The fact that Kevin Garnett endorses them and wears them on TV doesn't change that opinion for me. Now, if I haven't been "hypnotized" into a sheep-like creature by now, I put it to you that it is not really happening on a large scale, either. All that "right brain / left brain" crap you were spewing earlier is obsolete thinking among real psychologists. It only ever gets repeated by people with an agenda (like Adbusters).

      Sales are driven by many other factors. Having your widget available at Wal-Mart or Best Buy is vastly more important to sales than a 30-second spot during Friends. At best, a good ad campaign might make retailers more interested in your product.

      There are many many hundreds of different kinds of beers. If you are trying to tell me each one of them tastes different for all people, I'm done talking with you.

      And if you're trying to tell me that all beers taste the same, you probably don't have much to say, anyway.

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    158. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Vellmont · · Score: 1

      Everything in the world is always trying to influence on a "subconcious level". The kind of control you're talking about is an illusion.


      its called, soap, water and YOUR HAND. (and if you are a real consumer purist you will have made your own soap =)


      That's just disgusting. Shit is filled with dangerous bacteria that will get be seriously ill, and spreads disease. I don't want to spend my time scrubbing it from underneath my fingernails if I can buy a cheap "product" that saves me from that. Oh, but I suppose I'm just a robot influenced by advertising to think like that. Before advertising everyone loved using hands and soap to scrub shit. It's the evil corps that convinced us that shit was dirty and to use TP instead.

      There are some things that basic wants and desires, and keeping your hands shit free in an easy way is one of them. You could possibly have an argument about women shaving armpits, but I'm still convinced that was part of some larger movement of culture and not just "evil advertising hypnotising us".


      The point is that you, like most other Westerners, would never even consider filling this need with anything other than a product.


      I suppose I could buy a bidet, oh but that would be a "product " and us damn westerners solve all problems with "products". Apparently the right way to live is like the Unabomber and be self sufficient not relying on others to do things more effectively. Part of living in a society is relying upon things other people produce.

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    159. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by SurgeonGeneral · · Score: 1

      No, the "Pepsi Challenge" is the campaign that put them on the map.

      Thanks for proving that you have no idea what you are talking about. Now I dont have to bother replying.

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    160. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by q-the-impaler · · Score: 1

      But if you aren't wasting time with her, but are wasting time on games, then you are both just wasting time because there is no togetherness.

      I don't live with my girlfriend, so I only play games when I am not with her. She has no idea I even play games. And my interest in games is actually only about 2-4 hours per week. I was just trying to give slashdotters something to relate to.

      Now, if I could get my girlfriend to hike, camp, workout, run, etc. with me, then she would better fit into the things I like to do. Alas, she'd rather sit in traffic than sleep on the ground.

      She's much more, say, contemporary than I am. I like romantic things like picnics, days at the beach, going to a museum: active things. She prefers to be pampered. Perhaps I am barking up the wrong tree?

      OK, I must be desperate because I am discussing my relationship on /.

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    161. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Golias · · Score: 1

      That's rich, coming from somebody who still believes in "right brain/left brain" pop psychology.

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    162. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      My main source for this was from a university Graduate level history class called "The History of Popular Culture", and its because of the unique and original thesis paper I wrote for that class called "A History of the use of Psychological Research in Advertising"

      In other words, all this shit was shoveled into your head by a misguided poli-sci graduate school prof, who had a very limited and obsolete understanding of psychology and human behavior, followed by your toiling efforts to write a paper that fit neatly into their distorted understanding of how the mind works. It's all becoming clear now.

      Please present your paper to the Psych department at your school. They always appreciate a good laugh.

    163. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by m0smithslash · · Score: 1
      Am I barking up the wrong tree?

      Ask youself:

      • Is she willing to do things I like or do we spend all our time together doing what she wants?
      There are a couple of problems with this. First, you start the question to the relationship, even on slashdot. Second, there is no chance to develop "us" things. You both need to try what the other is interested in.

      Is it her fault? Probably not entirely. If you suggest "Let's go for a hike" then all she has to do is say, "not today" and no hike. Rather, plan a hike and invite her to go along. Then go whether she goes or not. If this happens too often, the relationship will come to its natural conclusion. More likely, a couple of time and she sees you really do have interests that are important too you, she will be willing to come along.

      A female who is interested in you will start to take an interest in your pursuits just as you naturally take an interest in her pursuits. Think about it, how much stuff do you now enjoy not because of the thing itself but because of the person who you liked that enjoyed it.

      Besides, getting all the muscles involved in a relationship will also make it more enjoyable. Physical activity is good for both the heart in your chest as well as the one the peots write about.

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    164. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by ryanwright · · Score: 1

      My girlfriend would argue that she would rather me be a TV junkie, because at least that is something we can do together. She would never think Slashdot was interesting, so you can guess that gaming is out of the question.

      Time for a new girlfriend, then!

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    165. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Perky_Goth · · Score: 1

      interessting, any links? please? ;)

    166. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh my God, it is you people that are hopeless. If you want to watch TV, fine, do it. If you dont want to watch TV, fine, dont do it. It's that simple FOR FUCK'S SAKE. Arent there more important things for you to worry about than how much TV OTHER PEOPLE watch? You better start worrying about your own God-damned selves.

    167. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me guess, you're American? :D

    168. Re:Nice, but I feel like it's hopeless... by SurgeonGeneral · · Score: 1

      You really are a fool.

      Go read a book.

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  2. Yes, but... by iapetus · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...is it being televised?

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    1. Re:Yes, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Yes, by Fox. It's their new reality TV show.

    2. Re:Yes, but... by Kissing+Crimson · · Score: 1

      It's being webcast. Or webcasted.

      Apparently my internal grammer check is failing today...

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    3. Re:Yes, but... by calags · · Score: 1

      So is your spell check ;-)

      But then again for most Slashdotters it's off every day.

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    4. Re:Yes, but... by glsunder · · Score: 1

      that's basically what most tv shows seem to be anyway: tv shows about people who are not watching tv shows.

  3. TV viewing is dropping anyway by Grant29 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    According to this previous slashdot article, we are watching less TV anyway. Especially now that the summer is getting close, TV viewing will drop even more. I guess soon enough somebody will start a National turn off the Internet Surfing week. I could turn off the TV a lot easier than staying off the web.

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    1. Re:TV viewing is dropping anyway by garcia · · Score: 4, Interesting

      for the most part, the web is pull content. I am not having content forced down my throat.

      TV watching has no social interaction while actively doing it. At least there ARE places on the Internet that you can be social and actively participate in the content you are seeing (ahem, /.)

      I have wireless net access just about everywhere now. I couldn't live w/o a net connection anymore. I certainly have been able to live w/o TV.

      I guess I am just of a different breed.

    2. Re:TV viewing is dropping anyway by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 1

      And no one should forget 1834's "turn off the book reading week."

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    3. Re:TV viewing is dropping anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL !

    4. Re:TV viewing is dropping anyway by Belgand · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I find that I'm much more social when watching tv than I ever am when using the internet. I mean, sure I might occasionally shout across the hall to my girlfriend about something I see or IM a friend or such, but by and large it's just me and the computer most of the time.

      Watching tv I talk to the people I'm with about what we're watching, things it makes me think of, just random stuff. All while actively watching.

    5. Re:TV viewing is dropping anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bah... I recently took a week-long vacation where I didn't use the Internet or TV (except for that one night in Amsterdam I was stoned and watch some shows in Dutch because it sounded cool). It was great, it felt really nice getting away from computers and the internet, like a weight has been lifted.

    6. Re:TV viewing is dropping anyway by Steamhead · · Score: 1

      I guess soon enough somebody will start a National turn off the Internet Surfing week.

      See no evil, hear no evil, say no evil! *is scared*

    7. Re:TV viewing is dropping anyway by wizarddc · · Score: 1

      for the most part, the web is pull content. I am not having content forced down my throat.

      You haven't read Drudge lately.

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    8. Re:TV viewing is dropping anyway by GoofyBoy · · Score: 1

      >the web is pull content. I am not having content forced down my throat.

      You can always change the channel.

      >TV watching has no social interaction while actively doing it.

      The social interaction comes after watching tv. In the average office the common topic of conversation is the final show of The Apprentice.

      Do you think that any article on slashdot will ever be something you can talk over the watercooler?

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    9. Re:TV viewing is dropping anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TV watching has no social interaction while actively doing it.

      How about watching sports on TV in a bar (or at home even) with your buddies? Sure, it can't beat being at the sporting event, or even playing the sport itself, but does this count as social interaction?

    10. Re:TV viewing is dropping anyway by JanneM · · Score: 1

      And not only "could", but "have".

      Two years ago, I was in the final stages of writing my thesis. Also, I moved from one apartment to another. I was sort of slow in actually hooking up the TV once I had moved (and the blind, unreasoning panic of an approaching deadline did of course have some to do with it). After three months without actually having the TV hooked up, I realized I didn't need it at all; the rare tv-show I still wanted to see was available just fine via a download.

      So, I sold the TV. A year later, I moved to Japan (where I am now), and got a TV as part of my furnished apartment. Biggest waste of space I have ever had. I have become utterly uncaring about tv to begin with, and all channels I get here are in Japanese. Not having it turned on is a release. I keep the thing in a corner of the wardrobe so I can hook it back in when I leave the apartment.

      Do I see any tv-series? You bet. Those who are really worth seeing are even better when downloaded - how about seeing "24" off and on whenever you have the time over a long weekend and really be able to follow the intricacies of the plot? How about really following a story arc without interruption?

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    11. Re:TV viewing is dropping anyway by Rick.C · · Score: 1
      TV watching has no social interaction while actively doing it.

      Tell that to Mrs.C as we're curled up on the sofa "watching TV". ;)

      The social interaction is the only reason I watch TV.
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    12. Re:TV viewing is dropping anyway by Jon-1 · · Score: 1

      I think it would be interesting if TV tune out week was right before the November elections... People would have to (gasp!) find other sources of information!

    13. Re:TV viewing is dropping anyway by twobturtle · · Score: 1

      I don't know where you work, but my office mates and I can talk for hours over some slashdot articles. I guess I work at a geek shop though.

      What's "The Apprentice" ?

    14. Re:TV viewing is dropping anyway by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

      for the most part, the web is pull content. I am not having content forced down my throat.

      Pop ups? Banners? Spam? Overbearing editorial opinions on "news" sites?

      LK

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    15. Re:TV viewing is dropping anyway by GoofyBoy · · Score: 1

      >my office mates and I can talk for hours over some slashdot articles. I guess I work at a geek shop though.

      If you can talk about a topic from here for hours, yes, I think definitatly there is too much "geek" in your life.

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    16. Re:TV viewing is dropping anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It sounds like you haven't, either. It's just a scary URL that you revile, isn't it?

      Do you hang out at Salon.com and DU instead?

    17. Re:TV viewing is dropping anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And no one should forget 1834's "turn off the book reading week."

      It seems that this campaign had been devastatingly successful.

    18. Re:TV viewing is dropping anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      for the most part, the web is pull content.
      I, er, ah... oh, forget it.
    19. Re:TV viewing is dropping anyway by wizarddc · · Score: 1

      Quite the opposite. I read drudge almost everyday. Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer. He's the political version of a gossip column.

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    20. Re:TV viewing is dropping anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Count me out on the national stop whacking off week...

  4. How about by mabu · · Score: 1, Funny

    National TV Turn Off decade?

    1. Re:How about by SW6 · · Score: 1
      National TV Turn Off decade?

      Heh. Not that this is necessarily a bad idea. TV has definitely become either poorer quality, or otherwise just seems that way (i.e. our standards have improved). I'm not at all impressed with some of the dreck coming out at the moment.

      And yes, I'm doing TV Turn Off Decade - I gave it up at the start of 2000, so I'm nearly half way there already.

      Do you know what happens when you turn the TV off and don't turn it back on for four years? You don't miss it at all. You get much more free time for other stuff like, erm... posting to slashdot!

  5. I have been loving not watching as much TV... by garcia · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I don't watch nearly the amount of TV that everyone else seems to. When I moved to Minnesota in November of 2002 I didn't get cable. Comcast gets enough of my money being that they are the only broadband ISP that is economically feasible... Without watching TV for 80% of my daily free time I have found that:

    1. I enjoy the outside more than ever. I even have become accustomed to Minnesota winters and don't really mind when it is -10 or warmer.

    2. I have a lot more free time to keep my apartment clean, cook better and more interesting dinners, and enjoy the company of REAL PEOPLE. Remember, Fahrenheit 451 is getting closer and closer every day with the advent of more and more time/brain sucking material on the TV.

    3. I have found a lot of other interests that I normally wouldn't have. Currently those include reading, geocaching, and drinking. I think I get more out of those activities than listening to terrible singers make terrible renditions of terrible songs.

    4. I have $50/month more to spend on other things that I enjoy to do (i.e. food, drinking, girlfriend, etc).

    5. The knowledge that I am not wasting away, in my apartment, for five hours a night being fed with push content by large conglomerates that have only the size of their pockets to worry about.

    As I have mentioned before, my favorite part of TV is that the government has mandated (with our tax dollars) HDTV to be used. Forcing it to be placed into sets in the future so that we can all double pay for it. Now they realize that we are all fat because we sit on our dead, dying, asses and watch TV. So get out and do something but make sure you pay more taxes to support better TV signals!

    I am looking forward to advocating that others I know do this. Perhaps, if we try, we can get rid of the Reality TV non-sense and promote a healthier lifestyle (physically, mentally, and socially). It's unlikely but at least we can try.

    1. Re:I have been loving not watching as much TV... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      "I have found a lot of other interests that I normally wouldn't have, [including] drinking."

      Ditch TV & become an alcoholic? There's a campaign slogan.

    2. Re:I have been loving not watching as much TV... by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...and drinking

      Yeah, give up T.V. and take up drinking :-)

    3. Re:I have been loving not watching as much TV... by ave19 · · Score: 2, Funny

      "REAL PEOPLE"... I remember that show! It was hilarious!

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    4. Re:I have been loving not watching as much TV... by josecanuc · · Score: 1
      As I have mentioned before, my favorite part of TV is that the government has mandated (with our tax dollars) HDTV to be used.

      I think the government is mandating Digital TV, not HDTV. Digital TV doesn't have to come in HD format and HD doesn't have to be digital.

    5. Re:I have been loving not watching as much TV... by Ondo · · Score: 0, Redundant

      As I have mentioned before, my favorite part of TV is that the government has mandated (with our tax dollars) HDTV to be used. Forcing it to be placed into sets in the future so that we can all double pay for it. Now they realize that we are all fat because we sit on our dead, dying, asses and watch TV. So get out and do something but make sure you pay more taxes to support better TV signals!

      The government has not mandated HDTV, just digital. The switch to digital will free up spectrum, which the government can then sell for significant amounts of money. The government will probably make a profit on it, not use your tax dollars. TVs may become more expensive, but that price will only be paid by those who benefit from the change.

    6. Re:I have been loving not watching as much TV... by unboring · · Score: 1
      I have to agree. For the last three months, I have been living at a place without a TV.

      Not watching TV means that you miss out on shows like The Apprentice, but it has given me so much time to do other things like reading a book, hanging out with friends et al. With the Internet, you don't really miss out on the news. As it is the TV news is really crappy, giving us useless stuff like how the dog in the neighboring street was lost the other day.

      I now find that I don't need to get my daily fix of TV, which is a Good Thing(tm). All in all, I like it!

    7. Re:I have been loving not watching as much TV... by British · · Score: 1

      2. I have a lot more free time to keep my apartment clean, cook better and more interesting dinners, and enjoy the company of REAL PEOPLE.

      I miss that show, you know, Real People with Sarah Purcell and Skip Stephenson. they had the funniest wackos on ever! They gotta get that on DVD!

    8. Re:I have been loving not watching as much TV... by jesser · · Score: 2

      I have $50/month more to spend on other things that I enjoy to do (i.e. food, drinking, girlfriend, etc).

      It makes sense that you enjoy doing your girlfriend, but you shouldn't refer to her as a "thing".

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    9. Re:I have been loving not watching as much TV... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No kidding I don't watch tv anymore either. I just download all my favorite South Park, Futurama, Critic, Family Guy, etc. episodes and watch those on my computer. Its so much better because I get to do what I want.

      Thank god I've been freed from the idiot box.

    10. Re:I have been loving not watching as much TV... by AbbyNormal · · Score: 1

      Huzah! Good for you.

      Although I don't know if "drinking" and spending the "$50/month" on prostitutes is really the way to go.

      Just kiddin.

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    11. Re:I have been loving not watching as much TV... by infinite9 · · Score: 5, Funny

      4. I have $50/month more to spend on other things that I enjoy to do (i.e. food, drinking, girlfriend, etc).

      Your girlfriend charges you a monthly fee? Where I come from, there's a word for that...

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    12. Re:I have been loving not watching as much TV... by GoofyBoy · · Score: 1

      Now imagine how much better your life would be if you stop using the Internet.

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    13. Re:I have been loving not watching as much TV... by Dasein · · Score: 1

      I have mod points. I tried to give you one but I couldn't find "+1 Sarcastic" in the dropdown.

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    14. Re:I have been loving not watching as much TV... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think he was referring to the cost of patching the holes when she pops...

    15. Re:I have been loving not watching as much TV... by barzok · · Score: 5, Funny

      We do where I come from too. The word is "wife."

    16. Re:I have been loving not watching as much TV... by Paulrothrock · · Score: 1

      If I ever get a lot of money, I'll buy prime time slots in the summer and broadcast the words: GO OUTSIDE for an hour straight.

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    17. Re:I have been loving not watching as much TV... by Fnkmaster · · Score: 1

      Dude, if you have a girlfriend and she's only costing you $50 a month, consider yourself lucky. Where I come from, having a girlfriend costs a hell of a lot more than that. And I don't mean a hooker either - believe me, sometimes I think it would be cheaper to just get "hired help" one night a week (though definitely less gratifying, but then again, you get as much variety as you want).

    18. Re:I have been loving not watching as much TV... by pdbogen · · Score: 1

      I really thing that "girlfriend" is the word for it.

    19. Re:I have been loving not watching as much TV... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cable modem.

    20. Re:I have been loving not watching as much TV... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A couple of people have mentioned that giving up TV gives your more time to clean your apartment. Do you people like cleaning your apartments? It's not the first thing I would do with extra time.

    21. Re:I have been loving not watching as much TV... by philipx · · Score: 1

      Dude, I need to know where do you come from? From what I've heard, over here the "wife" entity has a much higher monthly maintenace charge :)

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    22. Re:I have been loving not watching as much TV... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where can I rent a girlfriend on a monthly basis? The a la carte charges I have now are getting way too high.

    23. Re:I have been loving not watching as much TV... by br0d · · Score: 1

      So what? Altered states are far more spiritual and useful to the soul than a globally transmitted moron-a-thon funded by spam....

    24. Re:I have been loving not watching as much TV... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, you definitely are well on your way to saving the world. So if I am as big of a narcissist as you I am helping to save the world too? I sure hope so!

  6. Slashdotting.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And so we can spend more time slashdotting sites!

  7. Does it count... by greenskyx · · Score: 5, Funny

    if I just Tivo everything this week and watch it all next week?

    1. Re:Does it count... by tverbeek · · Score: 5, Insightful
      if I just Tivo everything this week and watch it all next week?

      At the risk of being serious... why not? Part of the point is to spend a week doing things other than watching TV, as a learning experience. Coming back the next week and watching twice as much to make up for it might undo some of the good that accomplishes, but you'd still have that week's experience to draw upon.

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    2. Re:Does it count... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would successfully increase the amount of television you watch the following week. I guess you will fit into that other 10%

    3. Re:Does it count... by DustMagnet · · Score: 1

      Since getting my ReplayTV, I've started watching less TV, while the TV I watch has gotten much better. I've read others who've had the same experience. I never expected to watch less and it's hard to explain why. I think it has to do with breaking the habit of watching whatever you can find on at the moment. Now I sit down to watch TV and if I can't find anything I've recorded and want to watch, I get back up. 80 hours of recorded TV and nothing to watch.

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  8. Hah by Knight+Thrasher · · Score: 1

    Why watch TV? *fires up CoH Beta*

  9. Question by Linux-based-robots · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does this include watching episodes of the Simpsons I downloaded off BitTorrent?

    1. Re:Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd say "no". You're missing out on the ads that the marketers skew to make you buy their products. Simpsons doesn't have any real product placement so that's pretty safe. You can watch when you want, pause when you want etc. It's way better than the one way advertising stream of corporate controlled TV.

      I've set up several family members and friends with the same type of setup; computer->TV and they love it. Two have cancelled cable TV already.

    2. Re:Question by jmpoast · · Score: 2, Informative

      According to the site:

      TV-Turnoff Network is a national nonprofit organization that encourages children and adults to watch much less television in order to promote healthier lives and communities.

      No where on there do I see where it says anything about sticking it to the man. Its not about damning corporations, its about improving health and communication.

      Allthough for most people turning off the tv just means more time on the computer, so it may not have the exact effect they want on everyone.

  10. Thats all good by MrRuslan · · Score: 2, Funny

    But I think what most slashdoters (Including myself) need is a turn off cumputer week...

    1. Re:Thats all good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK your geek membership is revoked. Please don't let the bright rays of the sundisk hurt you on the way outside.

      We will not tolerate such dissention!

    2. Re:Thats all good by thelenm · · Score: 1

      But I think what most slashdoters (Including myself) need is a turn off cumputer week...

      Hey, not all of us are pr0n hounds!

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    3. Re:Thats all good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "...cumputer..."
      uhh.... i do not think that word means what you think it means.

  11. But not PVRs right? by thebra · · Score: 1

    Please don't turn off your PVR, I still need to be able to download next weeks shows. Thanks -

  12. Someone has to say it... by dmorin · · Score: 4, Funny
    Among the many benefits claimed by tvturnoff.org is that 90% of the people who participate in a TV Turnoff Week successfully reduce the amount of television they watch permanently."

    And 100% successfully reduce the amount of tv they watch that week.

    :)

    1. Re:Someone has to say it... by mog007 · · Score: 1

      I have a TV tuner card, you insensitive clod!

    2. Re:Someone has to say it... by Destoo · · Score: 1

      Wrong.
      That original 90% was including the 1 person out of 10 who doesn't watch TV.
      So 90% will reduce the amount of TV they watch that week. For the remaining 10%, it's business as usual.

      Someone who already has 0 hours of tv watching per week can't get in the "negative" amount of hours for that week.

      Funny, but flawed.

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    3. Re:Someone has to say it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't own a TV, you insensitive clod!

      Squat on worth watching anyway.

    4. Re:Someone has to say it... by Colazar · · Score: 1
      If I watch 0 hours of TV a week, I can still reduce my viewing time by 100%.

      Strangely enough, I can do that, and still watch the same amount of TV as before.

      Negative numbers need never enter into it.

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    5. Re:Someone has to say it... by Civil_Disobedient · · Score: 2, Funny

      90% of the people who participate in a TV Turnoff Week successfully reduce the amount of television they watch permanently.
      ...
      And 100% successfully reduce the amount of tv they watch that week.

      Actually, 100% of the people who participate in a TV Turnoff Week will reduce the amount of television they watch permanently. This is just simple subtraction, here. Take whatever would be the amount of total television hours one would watch under normal viewing habits, then shut off your TV for any time during that period, and you lower the total amount.

      Thinking about it now, that's a really stupid statistic. "100% of people who refrain from eating hamburgers will lower their overall hamburger intake." Well, duh.

    6. Re:Someone has to say it... by Destoo · · Score: 1

      But it's not reduced. It's the same!

      0 = 0

      If it was reduced, it would be less.

      X 0 and the only time this holds true, is if X is negative.

      And that would be like.. spewing out TV images from your eyes, which would be neat. Except when you want to sleep.

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  13. It sounds easy enough by Bobdoer · · Score: 1

    I never turn on that cathode ray tube anyway.

  14. Endorsed by ABC, NBC, CBS, etc? by FFFish · · Score: 1

    I'm guessing not.

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  15. You mean... by PrimeWaveZ · · Score: 1

    It doesn't just reduce your television usage for one week for those who participate? Imagine that...

  16. Time-shift it! by WestieDog · · Score: 5, Funny

    Do I have to stop tivoing too? It' would be more like "national watch it next week" ... week.

  17. Oh, the possibilities! by killyourblender · · Score: 1

    Turning off the TV will be easy! Turning off the PS2, X-box, DVD player, not to mention the PC, will thus be a challenge.

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  18. Re:Slashdotting....or slashdot.not? by vrTeach · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'd probably get more done if I had a turn-off slashdot week.

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  19. Food For Thought by (54)T-Dub · · Score: 1, Informative
    I understand that there are Lies, Dirty Lies and then there are statistics but some of these [PDF] give pause.

    • Amount of television that the average American watches per day: over 4 hours
    • Time per day that TV is on in an average US home: 7 hours, 40 minutes
    • Number of videos rented daily in the US: 6 million
    • Number of videos rented daily in the US: 6 million
    • Average time per week that the American child ages 2-17 spends watching television: 19 hours, 40 minutes
    • Time per week that parents spend in meaningful conversation with their children: 38.5 minutes
    • Number of murders witnessed by children on television by the age 18: 16,000
    • Number of murders witnessed by children on television by the age 18: 16,000
    • Percent reduction in the American homicide rate between 1993 and 1996: 20
    • Percent increase in number of violent scenes per hour on 10 major channels from 1992 to 1994: 41


    But I still believe that it's gay mariage that is endangering families the most.
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    1. Re:Food For Thought by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      • Number of times your copy/paste screwed up and you duplicated a line: 2
    2. Re:Food For Thought by CrazyGringo · · Score: 0
      Obligatory Simpsons quote

      "Who conducted this study?"
      "The Institute of SHUT THE HELL UP!"

    3. Re:Food For Thought by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      • Number of videos rented daily in the US: 6 million
      • Number of videos rented daily in the US: 6 million

      • ...
      • Number of murders witnessed by children on television by the age 18: 16,000
      • Number of murders witnessed by children on television by the age 18: 16,000

      I think I've been watching too much TV. I'm seeing double.
    4. Re:Food For Thought by fizban · · Score: 0, Troll

      But I still believe that it's gay mariage that is endangering families the most.

      You're joking, right?

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    5. Re:Food For Thought by crow · · Score: 2, Funny

      But I still believe that it's gay mariage that is endangering families the most.

      Absolutely.

      With the law of Conservation of Marriage, there are only a fixed number of marriage licenses available. That's why divorce rates have soared as the population has increased--there just aren't enough stable marriages to go around. Now with homosexual marriages starting in a month in Massachusetts, there will be roving bands of homosexuals roaming the streets forcing people to divorce at gunpoint.

      Please Governor Romney, defend my marriage!

    6. Re:Food For Thought by zymurgy_cat · · Score: 1

      # Percent reduction in the American homicide rate between 1993 and 1996: 20
      # Percent increase in number of violent scenes per hour on 10 major channels from 1992 to 1994: 41


      Hmmm....so all we need is a 200% increase in violent scenes to reduce the homicide rate by 100%. It's Full Metal Jacket for the masses!

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    7. Re:Food For Thought by dr_dank · · Score: 1

      Giving your carpal tunnel time to heal in the absence of Baywatch reruns: priceless

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    8. Re:Food For Thought by jmpoast · · Score: 1

      According to your statistics violence on tv is going up, but homicides are going down. Lets just show nothing but violence on tv and stop the killing!

      38.5 minutes of 'meaningful' conversation. I'd like to know how they determined that, and what they define as meaningful.

    9. Re:Food For Thought by (54)T-Dub · · Score: 1

      Yes, of course I am. I just think it's rediculous that the religious right Lunatics is attacking things like gay marriage and pornography while T.V. is clearly far more dangerous and invasive. I mean if parents only spend 38.5 minutes having meaningful conversation with their children and yet use the T.V. to babysit our children, what does this say about our priorities?

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    10. Re:Food For Thought by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 1

      You just lost your whole argument by bringing in gay marriage, which was irrelevant, but I'll bite. The problem is not if it endangers straight families, the problem is if J. Random Conservative had been born into / adopted by a gay family.

    11. Re:Food For Thought by Otter · · Score: 1
      I don't have the time to go through congressional hearings on this, but 1000 "murders witnessed" per year, on average -- 19.2 per week -- does that seem a bit excessive to anyone? Maybe my TV diet (ESPN2 and Seinfeld reruns) is skewed, but I can't recall the last "murder" I "witnessed", and don't plan to witness any soon, at least not until they let Todd Bertuzzi back on the ice. Does Wile E. Coyote count? That's more suicide, and anyway he doesn't really die.

      And if I'm a Bad Person for questioning Well Intended Statistics, how about "Percentage of youth violence directly attributable to TV viewing: 10"? Can I quetion that?

    12. Re:Food For Thought by fizban · · Score: 1

      Okay, good. It was hard to tell since there was no hint of sarcasm in your post. I was gonna have to lay some smack-down if you were serious. :-)

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    13. Re:Food For Thought by realdpk · · Score: 1

      "Number of murders witnessed by children on television by the age 18: 16,000"

      What the hell channel are children watching these days? I've only seen a couple of real life deaths on video and stuff in my entire life, and they could only barely be considered murder (that recent video where the US military guns down people walking around a truck).

    14. Re:Food For Thought by Vaevictis666 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and where do they get this number?? That's an average of a bit under 2.5 murders a day, EVERY DAY OF THEIR LIVES.

    15. Re:Food For Thought by b!arg · · Score: 1

      Although not directly related to the topic I always recall a scene in the movie Casino that I saw on USA. In that scene they edit dialogue from Joe Pesci. Instead of saying "fuck" it is changed to something like "frick." In the very same scene and less than a minute later they show him jabbing a pen into a guy's neck UP CLOSE and killing him instantly. I've always wondered why things like this can be shown but you can't use profane language or show a tit (Janet Jackson notwithstanding). Of course I am only speaking of American TV.

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    16. Re:Food For Thought by daishin · · Score: 1

      Well, not long ago people said the same thing about interracial marriage, before that owners of Black slaves were the only ones allowed to have a slave of theirs get married, perhaps if you read a history book one day instead of /. you would learn something and would stop being such an opinionated moron.

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    17. Re:Food For Thought by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What worries me more are the transgendered folks.

      I mean, the average person right now has 1 testicle and 1 boob. Things are a bit out of hand!

    18. Re:Food For Thought by daishin · · Score: 1

      Ooo didnt read this thread...sucks.

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    19. Re:Food For Thought by Brandybuck · · Score: 1

      It's easy to understand, if only you would stop to see what they're watching on television. The statistics aren't talking about just real murders, but talking about fictional murders. Since I don't watch cable or public broadcasts I don't know what current television is like, but merely watching "From Russia With Love" last night on DVD I witnessed at least six first degree murders, and several dozen cases of manslaughter.

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    20. Re:Food For Thought by Brandybuck · · Score: 1

      I should point out that his "opinion" was sarcasm. However it is puzzling to me the extreme rapidity in which gay marriage became a fundamental right to be championed. Before three months ago it did not exist anywhere in the world. Now it's considered a prerequisite to civilization.

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    21. Re:Food For Thought by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However it is puzzling to me the extreme rapidity in which gay marriage became a fundamental right to be championed. Before three months ago it did not exist anywhere in the world. Now it's considered a prerequisite to civilization.

      1860's:

      Blacks considered free participants of the society? Why that's a preposterous idea!

      1900's:

      Women's suffrage? Three months ago it did not exist anywhere in the world!

      1950's:

      Black people riding in the same bus as white people? Three months ago it was scarcely heard of!

      1970's:

      Homosexuality not a criminal perversion in the eyes of the Lord? Surely you jest!

    22. Re:Food For Thought by Brandybuck · · Score: 1

      You've completely missed the point. Literally overnight (that particular night following Mayor Newsome's announcement) gay marriages went from a controversial subject to something you cannot question without risk of ostracism.

      The issue of slavery involved years of debate. Women's suffrage involved years of debate. Even multiracial buses and restaurants riled people up for more than a year or two. The reason these debates took time was because people were thinking about them. But there has been no time to even think about gay marriages.

      If this issue is to blazingly obvious that it needs no thought expended on it at all, then why did it only happen a few months ago? Why wasn't it a normal part of history? Why didn't it happen in progressive forward thinking liberal Europe instead of warmongering imperialist conservative US? Why didn't it happen last year or last decade?

      Why should any time be spent thinking on this issue, you ask? So you can provide more meaningful arguments in favor of it than merely ridiculing the opposition with second rate sarcasm.

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    23. Re:Food For Thought by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1
      Number of murders witnessed by children on television by the age 18: 16,000

      I'm taking the unders on this one. That's three a day, every day, starting at age 4.

  20. Scope of abstinence? by tepples · · Score: 1

    Does TV abstinence include abstaining from using a TV with a composite input as a monitor for computerized exercise machines such as Konami's Dance Dance Revolution? Or does it refer only to passive entertainment received from a terrestrial, cable, or satellite broadcast or from a VHS or DVD video?

    1. Re:Scope of abstinence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what the fuck is the problem with you geeks ? DDR is not exercise, it's more like jacking off

  21. Aftermath... by Embedded+Geek · · Score: 1
    reduce the amount of television they watch permanently...

    And wind up spending that time online, perhaps?

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  22. I did it already. by blackmonday · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I did and started saving $80 dollars a month in cable bills too. Didn't miss it a bit, thanks to Netflix.

    Then about 8 months ago I moved in with my girl and now we have a Tivo-like cable box, now I still watch very little TV but I watch what I want, when I want. Very liberating and very cool. By the way, HBO and Cinemax On-Demand kick ass, if you know what I mean.

    1. Re:I did it already. by rigmort · · Score: 1

      I was thinking about the cost as well -- with my current cable bill, I will be paying $30 for that week.

    2. Re:I did it already. by EricWright · · Score: 2, Insightful
      By the way, HBO and Cinemax On-Demand kick ass, if you know what I mean.
      You mean the on-demand softcore porn on cinemax on-demand, right?
    3. Re:I did it already. by vorpal22 · · Score: 1

      Then about 8 months ago I moved in with my girl and now we have a Tivo-like cable box, now I still watch very little TV but I watch what I want, when I want

      Completely agreed - although I just download the TV shows that I enjoy off of BitTorrent... it's so nice to be able to watch exactly what episodes of what show I want whenever I want to, commercial-free.

    4. Re:I did it already. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He said HBO. Not Showtime.

  23. Yeah, but... by I_M_Noman · · Score: 1

    ...why would I want to watch less TV? I enjoy watching TV.

    1. Re:Yeah, but... by Skater · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I love how everyone automatically assumes everything on TV is garbage. Like any other art form, there's good stuff and bad. Example: I read Tom Clancy and John Grisham novels, but I know they aren't going to go down in history as timeless classics in the way that, say, Shakespeare's plays did. But, oh no, I'm reading and therefore it must be better than watching TV.

      It's not black-and-white, so to speak. :)

      --RJ

    2. Re:Yeah, but... by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

      But, oh no, I'm reading and therefore it must be better than watching TV.

      In a world that works on the basis of the written word (contracts, e-mail, etc.), being literate is better then only being fluent.

      You don't practice literacy by watching TV.

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    3. Re:Yeah, but... by gnu-generation-one · · Score: 1

      "I love how everyone automatically assumes everything on TV is garbage."

      That's because they don't get BBC2 in America, and you'd need RealPlayer to watch it on the internet.

    4. Re:Yeah, but... by Skater · · Score: 1

      And you practice literacy by reading trash fiction? I find that hard to believe.

      (Waiting for the 2 minute rule to expire. La la la la la la la la la la...mmm mmm mm mm mm mm mm mm..)

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    5. Re:Yeah, but... by MinotaurUK · · Score: 1
      That's because they don't get BBC2 in America, and you'd need RealPlayer to watch it on the internet.

      I'm inclined to agree with you. The only shows I've watched with any degree of regularity over hte last couple of years are Grand Designs (C4) and Newsnight (BBC2). I've made a determined effort recently to persuade American friends of mine to read/watch BBC News (either through their existing cable/satellite packages - some offer BBC World, or on the web) as opposed to the US news networks, and those who've tried it seem to find it truly amazing how different the same news is reported in different parts of the world.

  24. I threw my TV out a month ago. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its great! I dont get fud fed into my living room. I dont have to watch stupid weightloss ads and feel bad about my flab and I get to do things outside!

  25. Obviously not hockey fans! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The organizers are obviously not hockey fans!

    1. Re:Obviously not hockey fans! by BigDumbSpaceApe · · Score: 1

      Seriously... Couldn't they schedule this during the Basketball playoffs or something?!? Err, wait a second.

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    2. Re:Obviously not hockey fans! by Admiral1973 · · Score: 1
      I find it interesting that they schedule TV Turnoff Week in late April, instead of during the big May "sweeps" period. I guess organizers figure that they're more likely to get people to join in their crusade if there isn't THAT much good TV on during the week they pick, odd new episodes aside. If they tried this idea in mid-May, no one would pay any attention.

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    3. Re:Obviously not hockey fans! by attemptedgoalie · · Score: 1

      Bingo. Summer is my Turn off TV time.

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    4. Re:Obviously not hockey fans! by Texas+Rose+on+Lava+L · · Score: 1

      The organizers are obviously not hockey fans!

      Hockey games are played in large arenas that seat about 20,000 people. If you buy a ticket, they'll let you into the arena to watch the game. It's a much better experience than sitting at home and watching the game on TV.

      If your team is on the road, you can go to a bar that's showing the game. This probably isn't considered "cheating" because this requires actually leaving the house and interacting with the other people at the bar.

      If you can't get to the arena or a bar, there's always the radio.

    5. Re:Obviously not hockey fans! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, I'm guessing...

      - your job didn't go overseas so you can afford the ticket price

      - you don't live in the Toronto area, where tickets are impossible to get.

      - you don't live in Canada, because "Beverages of refreshing nature" are taxed way-too-high to spend 3 hours at the local watering hole.

    6. Re:Obviously not hockey fans! by Kiryat+Malachi · · Score: 1

      My team is the Detroit Red Wings.

      I don't live in Detroit anymore.

      They aren't carried on local radio. And hockey is not really a radio sport anyway; frankly, the only sport I can stand listening to on the radio is baseball.

      I'd watch them on TV, but I canceled my TV so I'll just hope there's a webstream to listen to them, because it'd be better than nothing.

      That or go to a sports bar, I guess.

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    7. Re:Obviously not hockey fans! by The+Lord+of+Chaos · · Score: 1

      Exactly, I bet they'd think differently about it if it was scheduled during the superbowl.

  26. TV vs Reading by jetkust · · Score: 2, Funny

    The More Reading, Less TV (MRLTV) classroom program motivates school children to put down their remote controls and pick up books.

    In other words, stop watching Discovery Channel, read a Hustler instead.

    1. Re:TV vs Reading by joshmccormack · · Score: 1

      At least written propaganda tends to be easier to notice for what it is. When you read Ayn Rand you can feel the religious undertones. TV shows, both fictional ones and informational, push an agenda, and do so unapologetically, with an air of authority, and an omiscient narrator.

  27. Correlation vs. causality by squarooticus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This sounds like another correlation vs. causality fallacy: is it not at least as likely that those who are willing to turn off their TV sets for a week are likely to be those who have already gotten sick of TV? Why the addiction implication?

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    1. Re:Correlation vs. causality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because these are the same people who don't realize that TV can be just as educational as reading a book.

      If a child sits and watches a Discovery/History Channel show, they can learn as much, if not more, than reading because of the included visuals.

      Posted as AC just to spite your sig.

    2. Re:Correlation vs. causality by Merkuri22 · · Score: 1

      You'd be surprised the type of things you can become addicted to. I don't doubt that people can become addicted to television and I don't doubt that shutting it off for a week CAN (not "will") help you stop the addiction. Obviously, not all those who participate will have an actual addiciton (most probably won't), but just because you have an addiction doesn't mean you can't be aware of it or be willing to quit. I think this'll help wake some people up who never realized how much time they spent in front of the television.

      All I know is that I used to be addicted to computer games. One year in college at the suggestion of a friend I gave up violent games for lent (read: everything but solitaire, Yahoo! dominoes, etc.). It was only when I noticed symptoms normally equated to withdrawal (restlessness, craving, increased stress) that I thought I might have actually had an addiction. Ever since then I've played less computer games. Shutting them off for that period helped me realize much time I was wasting on games, and though I still play them I don't think it's quite an addiciton anymore. I know now that I can stop any time I want to, and I do stop every once and a while, just to prove it to myself that I'm not addicted. Now, that was computer games, not TV, and it was for a significantly longer period than a month, but I don't doubt that some folks will go through the same experience that I did and will realize that there's better uses of their time than watching a screen all day long.

    3. Re:Correlation vs. causality by Kenneth+Stephen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I applaud your sentiments about posting as AC. Really, the folks who make such statements havent thought things through. If I claim on /. that I'm Bruce Perens, instead of "Anonymous Coward", does that really mean I'm Bruce Perens? As far as the readers of this website goes, if you arent somebody who has access to the subscriber db, everyone is anonymous.

      Not to mention the fact that ignoring all Anonymous Cowards is tantamount to throwing out the baby with the bathwater.....

      Posted non-anonymously, so that this thread is visible and that OP realizes his folly.

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    4. Re:Correlation vs. causality by deacon · · Score: 1
      This sounds like another correlation vs. causality fallacy: is it not at least as likely that those who are willing to turn off their TV sets for a week are likely to be those who have already gotten sick of TV? Why the addiction implication?

      I doubt it.. I think that some people finally realize that they have a serious problem, and decide to do something about it.

      For me, that moment was when I realized that I could not rearrange the living room without making the TV difficult to see. Prior to this I had always been a TV zombie love slave.

      Trying to rearrange that room with the TV constraint made me realize that my priorities were totally fucked up, and I unplugged and put away the TV.

      You can look up my earlier post for more info about the Pavlovian conditioning effects.

      Keep in mind, the TV content is freely broadcast. Someone else is paying for it. Now, what does this "someone else" getting from you that is so important that they are willing to pay for the broadcast?

      20 years back or so, people who said that cigaretts were bad for you were treated as humorless cranks and fools. My opinion is that the sedentary lifestyle that TV requieres creates a similar amount of harm to your health.

  28. But... by DaFrogBoy · · Score: 1

    How will I know who to vote for on American Idle?

    1. Re:But... by MichiganDan · · Score: 1

      Maybe you can spend the week working on spelling.

    2. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And maybe you can spend the next week getting a life.

  29. Has this anything to do... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Has this anything to do with the shutdown of the adult film industry?

  30. We'll just have to watch it in theaters. by demonic-halo · · Score: 1

    LOL at parent.

    =)

  31. Personally I'm already turned off... by Maestro4k · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Seriously, both literally and emotionally, there's so much utter crap on TV, and it seems to continue to only get worse. Hell, even Sci-Fi's gotten into the craptastic reality TV stuff now with their Mad, Mad, House. I happenned to see the first part of one episode (I was at the ER and the TV was set to Sci-Fi). I think they actually managed to set a record for most stupid, disgusting, pathetic reality-tv program.

    In any case I tend to play video games more than I watch TV on my TV. I also watch a lot of anime DVDs. When I do watch TV I generally watch channels like Discovery, TLC, HGTV, History Channel, Animal Planet & Discovery Health. There's just not enough stuff worth watching on TV to justify being a couch potato, at least IMHO.

    1. Re:Personally I'm already turned off... by shadowcabbit · · Score: 1

      In any case I tend to play video games more than I watch TV on my TV. I also watch a lot of anime DVDs. When I do watch TV I generally watch channels like Discovery, TLC, HGTV, History Channel, Animal Planet & Discovery Health. There's just not enough stuff worth watching on TV to justify being a couch potato, at least IMHO.

      OK, so we've pretty much described the majority of the Slashdot-reading populace here. (My broadcast-video poison of choice happens to be CSI, crappy episode last night notwithstanding.)

      But you also nailed probably the key phrase that the majority of the Slashdot-reading populace always takes for granted and jumps all over each other when it's omitted: "IMHO". Others have said it before in this discussion, and surely others will say it better elsewhere, but there are always differences of opinion as to what's "worth watching" and what's not. I loved "The Mole", and watched "Survivor" for a stretch (because the roommates had it on, and I had to wait in between FF Tactics turns). Does that mean my choices are less valid? No, of course not. It simply means that I placed different value in those shows for a certain period of time.

      Now imagine six billion people all doing that, and you're in charge of making ALL OF THEM HAPPY. It's impossible, of course, so you decide to make as many people as happy as possible by showing programs that the majority prefers. You're going to piss off a certain fraction of the populace by cancelling a show, but hey, they might like what's coming on next. They might not, too, but someone else might-- and that might be a different majority of the population. Congratulations, you just imagined yourself in the place of a network executive.

      I watch the most television from late August to mid December-- mostly football and new programs that pique my interest. Honestly I really only watch about a grand total of two to three hours of "live" TV a week-- CSI, Kingdom Hospital (taped, now), and maybe Simpsons if I remember. I'm lucky I moved to a place that has reasonable broadcast TV reception, and thus don't need to shill $100 a month for something decent to watch.

      My biggest complaint now is that I don't have enough time to do the stuff I want to do-- I haven't logged into Final Fantasy XI in two weeks... ^_^

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  32. week? by kinzillah · · Score: 1

    I haven't watched TV in about 2 months, It'll be another month before I do again. Don't have the time with school, and while difficult at first, its positivly blissful how little commercial crap I have to deal with.

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  33. Better yet... by Dynastar454 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just get rid of the TV. I've been TV-less for a few years now, and I really don't miss it. I get all my news on-line, I can watch DVDs on my fairly-large computer screen, and all the quality TV series come out on DVD these days, so for those (very few) shows I can pick them up too. Who needs a TV?

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    1. Re:Better yet... by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

      I've switched it around a bit... you'll never catch me zonked out in front of the tube for hours on end watching whatever happens to be on. The only TV in the house with an antenae is on the 3rd floor, more so I can verify that the TV reception is good enough to feed into the VCRs. Before I bothered setting that up, I went for 5 years or so without any OTA or cable TV in the house.

      Anything that I want to watch gets put on S-VHS tape and then played on a downstairs VCR. If it isn't worth the effort of setting up the recording schedule, it's not worth watching.

      I end up watching anywhere from 3-6 hours per week, depending on how much the broadcast company mucks with the schedule or plays repeats. Some episodes get dumped straight to DVD on the off-chance that I'll watch them later. If I upgrade my TV antenae to get a few more stations cleanly, I might up that to 6-12 hours per week.

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    2. Re:Better yet... by AbbyNormal · · Score: 1

      As per the DVDs, how do you know if the show is good to actually buy/rent the DVD?

      I think you a person can waste just as much time watching movies all day on DVD as they can on primetime.

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    3. Re:Better yet... by cheide · · Score: 1

      I get all my news on-line, I can watch DVDs on my fairly-large computer screen, and all the quality TV series come out on DVD these days, so for those (very few) shows I can pick them up too. Who needs a TV?

      I dunno, maybe it's just habit, but to me there's just something innately more satisfying about slouching back in my nice, comfy living room chair and watching the big tube across the room, even if it is just for stuff on DVD and not actual TV anymore. Trying to watch them on the desktop system or hunched over the laptop are just uncomfortable in comparison.

    4. Re:Better yet... by Esion+Modnar · · Score: 1
      Who needs a TV?

      I used to have DirecTV, with Tivo, but I gave them up a while back. However, I still have my TV. Why?

      One reason: movies on DVD. Watching DVD's on a computer is just a little cramped. Also, I need a good setup for my Xbox. I have gotten more enjoyment in three hours playing Splinter Cell than I have in a week of (broadcast) TV.

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    5. Re:Better yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      No TV???

      Then how do you know what direction to point your furniture?

    6. Re:Better yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I need a TV, so I have something to hook the Nintendo up to.

      Next question?

    7. Re:Better yet... by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

      all the quality TV series come out on DVD these days

      If you don't mind waiting a year or more for a show you like to release a DVD, go for it. Myself, I'd rather watch each new episode of a series like 'The Shield' as it airs so I can discuss it with my friends and wonder what will happen next week, rather than wait 10 months and pay $50 for the opportunity to watch the entire season at once.

      And that's practically a best-case scenario... The Simpsons, for example, have about a 10-year lag between airing a show on TV and releasing it on DVD. I'll just keep watching my favorite episodes in syndication until they catch up...

    8. Re:Better yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me guess. You live alone and you don't have any friends. Am I right?

    9. Re:Better yet... by Trifthen · · Score: 1

      And when you invite friends over for an MST or other kind of movie party, or play console video games with your friends, they can all crowd around your computer. Nice.

      You don't have many friends, do you?

      (I kid, I kid.)

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    10. Re:Better yet... by Dynastar454 · · Score: 1

      Of corse they can, but I suggest that one, I won't have to sit through a bunch of ads, two, I have total control over what I watch, when I watch, and three, you can't just "flip on" a DVD, you have to go get it, so less watching "just because".

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    11. Re:Better yet... by Dynastar454 · · Score: 1

      Well if you live in an apartment like mine you can watch your monitor just fine whille relaxing on the couch. :-)

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    12. Re:Better yet... by Dynastar454 · · Score: 1

      This is true. It doesn't bother me, and I don't really talk about TV with my friends, but YMMV.

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    13. Re:Better yet... by Dynastar454 · · Score: 1

      When you live in a tiny one-bedroom in Boston with a wife you don't have friends over- you have a friend over, and you like it! :-)

      In all seriousness, I have no doubt I'd buy a TV if I had a big place that could handle guests. I wouldn't get cable, a Tivo, etc, but there's no denying you need a TV for some social activities.

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  34. Even if everybody here did give up TV... by CausticPuppy · · Score: 5, Funny

    It just means that the load on slashdot will be higher than average for that week.

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    1. Re:Even if everybody here did give up TV... by cybermace5 · · Score: 1

      Then someone will submit links to the major television networks, and finish the job. ;-)

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    2. Re:Even if everybody here did give up TV... by JaffaKREE · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I've always been a little confused by the anti-TV sentiment here. Everyone says "there's nothing to watch, all tv is garbage." What about...
      Stargate SG-1
      The Simpsons (sharks or not)
      Malcolm
      Chapelle
      South Park
      24 (Thanks for that 7-week break, fox. Way to ruin the momentum.)
      Enterprise
      Scrubs (funniest show on tv, maybe ever)
      Justice League (never saw it ? try it.)
      Smallville
      Crank Yankers
      Aqua teen hunger force

      That's just the new stuff. Tivo has been picking up plenty of oldschool Sci-fi lately, especially Quantum Leap, Sliders, and Hulk (Bill Bixby). SG1 reruns are on constantly for those who haven't caught on to it yet. There's new Family Guys coming, reruns of that and Futurama on CN. Seinfeld, Simpsons are on constantly. Clone wars just ended, and was pretty interesting.
      So... what's the problem ? Get a tivo if you need to. I don't even have HBO, and half the shows mentioned in this thread as "top quality tv" are on HBO. You've got options.

    3. Re:Even if everybody here did give up TV... by Deraj+DeZine · · Score: 1

      Wow, did the networks pay you to make that comment or what? Most of the shows you listed are not funny and actually nothing more than modernized/coolified versions of older lame comedy shows.

      But who am I to point that out? I enjoy Family Guy, Reno 911, This Just In, and Most Extreme Elimination Challenge. But at least I don't call it "top quality TV."

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    4. Re:Even if everybody here did give up TV... by JaffaKREE · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Quoting MYSELF since some people don't pay attention...

      I don't even have HBO, and half the shows mentioned in this thread as "top quality tv" are on HBO

      mentioned in this thread... as in, by other people. Understand ? It's even in friggin quotes !

    5. Re:Even if everybody here did give up TV... by Deraj+DeZine · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      So the shows you listed are not actually good? Is that the point you're trying to make?

      Basically you're just saying that there are lots of other shows that suck just as much as the garbage on HBO.

      I'm not saying the stuff isn't somewhat entertaining, it's just nothing new. Same jokes, different context. Some new jokes. I turned away from TV for the most part because it's mostly no longer creative or innovative, it's just more new shows that are really just old shows in disguise.

      I don't know why I'm arguing with you. You said Crank Yankers was good. Does that show suck? YEEEEEEESS! Does it have the most annoying character on TV? YEEEEAAAAAH!

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    6. Re:Even if everybody here did give up TV... by gnu-generation-one · · Score: 1

      Howabout a "turn off slashdot" week?

      Oh wait, Slashdot is already refusing to participate in a website shutdown this week.

    7. Re:Even if everybody here did give up TV... by brysnot · · Score: 1

      Your list sounds more like a reason to give up television.

    8. Re:Even if everybody here did give up TV... by Nurf · · Score: 1

      I've always been a little confused by the anti-TV sentiment here. Everyone says "there's nothing to watch, all tv is garbage."

      In my case, I don't object to the shows. I object to the way they are presented. If I could pay for the channels I wanted, and never see a commercial, I would have a TV. I don't, which means I usually end up watching stuff I like on DVD or not at all.

      I object to paying for something and _still_ having advertising rammed down my throat. I had the misfortune of having a satellite TV service (before I came to the USA) that didn't add in commercials, as their line was you had already paid for your programming. It was heaven. I was spoilt, and I can't go back. I can't get that service here, so no TV for me.

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    9. Re:Even if everybody here did give up TV... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have found that as with TV, the load on slashdot reaches a pretty constant height.

    10. Re:Even if everybody here did give up TV... by bruthasj · · Score: 1

      So, when's National /. Turn Off Week?

    11. Re:Even if everybody here did give up TV... by Knetzar · · Score: 1

      With digital TV, cable modems, and on demand stations, you'd think that the TV stations would let you choose what shows you want to watch and when...maybe they could unlock a show when it's meant to be watched, but if you really want to you can watch it later...consider it a TIVO that records everything, never forgets, and is housed at the station...(I wonder how many harddrives that would take).

  35. I don't need to participate... by prescot6 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can turn off the TV whenenver I want.

    Maybe later...

    1. Re:I don't need to participate... by strike2867 · · Score: 1

      Tell me when you turn it off, I promise to donate 1 million to an orphanage when u do.

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    2. Re:I don't need to participate... by jhagler · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of the great Mark Twain quote (slightly butchered):

      "Quiting smoking is the easiest thing in the world, I know, I've done it thousands of times"

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  36. Family by strike2867 · · Score: 3, Funny

    But what will we do when an annoying family member tries to talk to us?

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  37. Brought to you by by sulli · · Score: 0, Troll
    the geniuses behind Buy Nothing Day!

    Which means, of course, that advertisers don't give a flying fuck about them.

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  38. Bad timing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All the good shows are coming back from hiatus. Why couldn't they have scheduled it for last week when nothing good was on?

  39. Only one hour a week anyway. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why bother turn it off?

  40. Sure thing... by Craig+Maloney · · Score: 1

    Just as long as it starts on Sunday at 9pm and stops at 7pm on Sunday. Gotta watch the Simpsons and King of the Hill. :)

  41. Is this really slashdot? by 0BoDy · · Score: 1

    TV? I read slashdot when I'm bored. . . just think of the other things you could buy with that money.

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  42. Seriously by caomania · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Give it a try - you may never turn back. I stopped watching 2 years ago when my free cable got shut-off. Haven't watched more than 12 hours since. With the TV off you'll find lots of additional free time to indulge in more worthwhile pursuits. TV was the opium of the 80s it's time to kick the habit.

    1. Re:Seriously by Ardisson · · Score: 1

      Read /. instead.

    2. Re:Seriously by Zerbey · · Score: 1

      As I've said before, I used to spend summer vacations with my Aunt and Uncle who didn't own a TV and look upon the experience as very worthwile (it's partly thanks to them I've got such a love of literature and music). I lived for over a year without cable or satellite after we cancelled DirecTV and didn't miss it.

      Right now, I do have cable again but really, the only things I watch are maybe an hour of one of the "edutainment" channels every day and the occasional movie at the weekends. 99% of shows on TV aren't worth my time anyway! (OK, I admit it, I do watch "The Wiggles" with my 18-month old son every morning as well, but he loves it and it's part of our breakfast ritual :-))

      I don't think I could be without TV permanently, but taking breaks from it is definitely a worthwhile and recommended experience.

    3. Re:Seriously by Rick.C · · Score: 1
      TV was the opium of the 80s it's time to kick the habit.

      Is it just me, or was the opium of the '60s a lot purer and.. well.. just plain nicer?

      It was definitely cheaper! Or so I've heard..
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    4. Re:Seriously by zx75 · · Score: 1

      Agree with you completely, 4 years ago I moved into residence at university where television was not only hard to get, chances are it wasn't showing what I wanted to watch anyway. After that year without tv, and after when I moved out on my own I watch very little. Sometimes the news, and sporting events that I find interesting and thats it. (In fairness, I listened to sports events on radio when in residence because I enjoyed them that much.)

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    5. Re:Seriously by JaffaKREE · · Score: 1

      I think opium was the opium of the 80s.

    6. Re:Seriously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shitty drugged out hippies aren't funny, aren't cool, and aren't wanted. Here's a newsflash for you: THE BUMS LOST!

    7. Re:Seriously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Herion was the opium of the '80s.

  43. Next up: National Computer Turn Off Week? by wersh · · Score: 1

    Let's just hope that NCTOW and NTTOW don't coincide or we'll all be left with nothing to do. ;)

  44. Homer says... by towerdave · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wooohooo!!!!!

    More TV for me!!!

    TowerDave

    1. Re:Homer says... by kzinti · · Score: 1

      Next week (April 19th - 25th 2004) is National TV Turn Off Week in the USA.

      How can you say anything bad about TV, Marge? It gives so much and asks so little!

    2. Re:Homer says... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Homer: No beer and no TV make Homer something something...

      Marge: Go Crazy?

      Homer: Don't mind if I do!!

  45. Noo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    What about American Chopper??

    1. Re:Noo! by satterth · · Score: 1

      What about it.. all they do is assemble bikes from parts that are bought. Mind you i stoped watching it a while ago. Has it changed?

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  46. From the folks who brought you Burn Books Week by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This "censor it"! attitude is from the same mindset that brings us book-burning.

    If you don't want to expand your mind, smash your own radio and burn your own books.

  47. mmmmm, TV... by rjelks · · Score: 1

    "It's not easy to juggle a pregnant wife and a troubled child, but somehow I managed to fit in eight hours of TV a day. --Homer Simpson "

  48. What? by packethead · · Score: 1

    How can I survive without my Consumer Brainwashing Apparatus?

    This must be a joke, right?

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  49. i suggest we have a turn off /. week by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    sometime around April 1st when /. causes more /.ers stress due to the content. perhaps then we can get back to work!
    -PHB

    stay tuned next week for a note about turn off pr0n week, so we can get back to work! ...

    damn i'm not good at that marketing thing, thats the whole thing for next week... oh well.

  50. TV free since 87 by eludom · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Been without a TV since 87. If it's worth watching,
    it's worth getting up and going somehere else.
    One less excuse for not communicating.
    Less marketing drivel in the home.
    Mind not put on standby.
    Kids actually have to use their minds (or find
    other ways to avoid it) when they play.
    You really don't miss important news...
    "I learn everything I need to know about the
    world in slashdot..." :-)

    1. Re:TV free since 87 by Professr3 · · Score: 1
      I really don't know whether to applaud or feel sorry for you...

      When in doubt, mod +1 funny and pray...

  51. You insensitive clod... by Jayfar · · Score: 1, Funny

    I don't own a tv.

  52. They may as well call it by s20451 · · Score: 1
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    1. Re:They may as well call it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or, National be an Indignant Asshole on /. Week, perhaps?

      Oh wait, that would be every week wouldn't it?

  53. Couldn't they have done this a different week? by kyjello · · Score: 1

    The new episodes of Enterprise are just coming out!

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    1. Re:Couldn't they have done this a different week? by Silwenae · · Score: 1

      That in and of itself is a reason to turn the TV off.

      Though personally I'm not sure how I'll reconcile 24 being on against Alias this Sunday night!

    2. Re:Couldn't they have done this a different week? by bee-yotch · · Score: 1

      That's just what I was thinking! It's been like two months since the last one too, and they just want us to skip it!?

  54. NHL Playoffs by WolF-g · · Score: 2, Informative

    They picked a lousy week to try to go without TV. It's the playoffs.

    I don't watch TV other than that anyway....

  55. Stupid by USAPatriot · · Score: 5, Funny
    This whole campaign rests on the assumption that there is something bad or wrong with watching a lot of TV. I say that watching as much TV as you want is perfectly fine.

    It's not just entertainment that you'll be missing out on if you participate in thie 'Blackout'. Lots of news, current events, sports, and informational programs will be lost due to this turnoff. Do these organizers realize that? Yes, you can read newspapers to get by, but having moving pictures in your home is one of the greatest inventions of all time. Why would you want to abstain from it for some enlightend purpose?

    These people just need to get a life. It's just like that don't-buy-anything blackout. Some people don't like the choices others make, and try to bust your chops to be like them.

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    1. Re:Stupid by linuxrunner · · Score: 1

      Now that's a SIG I can finally agree with....

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    2. Re:Stupid by miket · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I find it interesting that both you and the origonal poster express a degree of disdain towards the content of this site however you both have accounts on this site.

      If you don't like it, turn it off.

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      Imagination is more important than knowledge. --Albert Einstein
    3. Re:Stupid by tverbeek · · Score: 3, Funny
      Lots of news, current events, sports, and informational programs will be lost due to this turnoff. Do these organizers realize that? Yes, you can read newspapers to get by,

      Someone please mod this funny.

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    4. Re:Stupid by vorpal22 · · Score: 1

      They're not strong-arming you into participating. I think that a lot of people would probably like to reduce the amount of television that they watch, only they're not motivated enough to do so without the support that something like National TV Turn-Off Week provides.

      It's very noble to suggest that many people will miss out on news and informative programming, but the truth of the matter is that the majority of people don't look at these kinds of shows; they plop their asses down on the couch and watch Survivor, sit-coms, or reruns.

      Personally, I used to be a TV junkie, spending around three to four hours a day watching television. I found that the experience left me largely dissatisfied. I never stood up from watching TV feeling energized or accomplished - I always felt like I'd just wasted an incredible amount of my time. I'm a motivated bastard, unlike the majority of humans, and one day I just decided to quit, so I did. Not only did I find that my productivity and creativity skyrocketed from watching no or extremely minimal television, but I generally felt a lot happier.

      No one's trying to bust your chops to participate in this event. You're invited to, if you'd find it useful. If not, by all means, don't.

    5. Re:Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Only a filthy liberal would suggest he voluntarily use his free-market freedoms to "turn it off". Get a brain! Morans!

    6. Re:Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I also don't understand this TV turn off. Who cares if joe six pack spends all his free time watching TV. If they got him to turn off his TV, he might show up where I am. Sure some smart interesting people watch TV too, but just look at the top rated shows. Do we really want people who watch that crap out and about? Let sleeping dogs lie.

    7. Re:Stupid by WuphonsReach · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This whole campaign rests on the assumption that there is something bad or wrong with watching a lot of TV. I say that watching as much TV as you want is perfectly fine.

      You're missing the point.

      The point of National TV Turn Off week is to break the behavoir pattern where all you do when you come home is flop on the couch and turn on the TV for the entire evening and watch whatever happens to be on. Pure escapism, especially if you're not addressing other pressing needs. Some escapism is okay, probably even healthy, but too much avoiding of issues just leaves problems to fester and make things worse down the road.

      Then there are the people who schedule their lives around shows, making themselves slaves of the TV schedule. Remember the slogans "must-see TV" and the like?

      Same old story as a bunch of other vices. Moderation is okay, addiction isn't. But a lot of people live in denial about their addictions and trying to go cold-turkey for a weeks is a good way to determine whether you're in control or your addiction is in control.

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    8. Re:Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Get a brain! Morans!

      I'm normally not a spelling Nazi, but do morons normally misspell "moron"? Or is that your sig? If so, my apologies, Mr. Morans.

    9. Re:Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, look. Another Joe Sixpack just discovered how to type on that computer thingy, got "the Internet" on it (yes, the whole thing), and somehow heard about /. Yeehaw!

    10. Re:Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      actually, I would suggest (certainly only a suggestion) that you turn of TV just because it is so low-quality. You don't really realise this when you are acclimitized to it.

      Sure, there is the odd good show, but the vast majority of it blows dead goats. TV news almost universally sucks as a news source.

      Bottom line is this: TV is the fast-food of entertainment. Cheap, mediocre quality, always available. If you save up the same money you would have spent eating fast food every day and instead spend it once in a while on a really good meal, you may be amazed at what you can get. Same goes for entertainment. And like food, you could also be amazed at what quality you can get cheaply if it isn't mass produced, if you are willing to look for it.

      I haven't owned or really watched a TV for about 10 years, and don't miss it at all. Every once in a while I'll be convinced to watch something at a friends house, and figure: why not, perhaps it has improved. nope.

    11. Re:Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Some people don't like the choices others make, and try to bust your chops to be like them.

      Meanwhile, parent helpfully provides a link to a whole bunch of such people: rnc.org.

    12. Re:Stupid by Fess_Longhair · · Score: 1
      You may want to make an exception for young children, where parents are making decisions that affect the rest of their lives. I'm no expert in this area, but apparently there is research demonstrating that television viewing during the first two years of life, when the brain is rapidly developing, has permanent adverse effects.

      Even the American Academy of Pediatrics recommends no TV in the first two years of life.

      We haven't had TV since my daughter was born, and after about 3 months I din't miss it at all. Of the children we know, it's obvious which ones watch TV. The kids that don't have amazingly long attention spans by comparison.

    13. Re:Stupid by brand+bendy · · Score: 1

      I agree. What is the point of not owning a TV? If people are so afraid of advertising, they'll have to have their eyes and ears sewn shut; its everywhere. Will TV rot your brain? Probably if you watch it 24/7, but who does that? Why can't people just watch only the shows that they like and then turn it off to pursue their "social" activities?

      A while ago I realized that I was watching a lot of TV and wanted to watch less. So I did. I didn't throw out my TV or drop my cable provider, I just figured out the few shows that I really like and only watch those (about 5). Sure occasionaly I watch documentaries, and other special events, but I use this little thing called willpower to determine when and what programming I subject myself to.

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    14. Re:Stupid by ObjetDart · · Score: 1

      If I'm not mistaken, this is a reference to a very funny picture that made the rounds on the net a year or two ago...it showed a group of anti-war protestors, and next to them a pro-war protestor with a sign pointing at the anti-war protestors that said "MORANS".

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    15. Re:Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This whole campaign rests on the assumption that there is something bad or wrong with watching a lot of TV. I say that watching as much TV as you want is perfectly fine.

      This tells us pretty much everything we need to know about you. Our sympathies to your family...

    16. Re:Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think he meant to mod the parent funny, not his post.

    17. Re:Stupid by beforewisdom · · Score: 1
      This whole campaign rests on the assumption that there is something bad or wrong with watching a lot of TV. I say that watching as much TV as you want is perfectly fine
      If you are being sarcastic you need to work on your delivery as it is hard to tell.

      If you are not being sarcastic you are flat out wrong.

      I don't have citations to throw at you but I have read in several places that people.......from small children to adults....are heavier and have more concentration problems with the more television they watch.

      You are being conditioned, make no doubt about it.

      Try skipping television for a few weeks.

      When you turn the set on again things you previously enjoyed will seem like the most moronic crap to you.

      Steve

    18. Re:Stupid by CommieLib · · Score: 1

      Let me, as a radical free-market, hard-core conservative John Derbyshire t-shirt wearin' programmer respond to this.

      First, there's nothing theoretically wrong with watching a lot of TV. Practically, there is. Television espouses a worldview, first of all. This world view is bicoastal, sexually promiscuous and materialistic. Consequences are separated from actions. Faith is mocked. Wisdom and insight doesn't play well for the demographic, so it is absent.

      Consider that in watching three hours of television, you'll watch one hour of commercials.

      Consider that almost any other activity is more productive, no matter how seemingly pointless. As for the points about news, I'm vastly better informed by the Internet. When I need video, I can get that on demand on the Internet.

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      If your bitterest enemies are people who hack the heads off civilians, then I would say you're doing something right.
    19. Re:Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lots of news, current events, sports, and informational programs will be lost due to this turnoff. Do these organizers realize that?

      I would say that, yes, they do. All of this information is either biased, wrong, outdated, or less comprehensive than the preface to a textbook. That is to say, it is almost totally useless. If TV is your primary source of information, then the most you will ever learn is some trivia. The amount of practical knowledge you could gain in your entire life from TV is less than you'll get from a single book. I would say that the organizers know very well just what is on TV.

    20. Re:Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I notice a distinct lack of condemnation for violence amongst the rest of the things you pointed out.

    21. Re:Stupid by mlilback · · Score: 1
      Then there are the people who schedule their lives around shows, making themselves slaves of the TV schedule.

      And what is wrong with that, in moderation?

      I only watch 3 television shows on a regular basis and I make a point to schedule my life around them. (Unfortunately, they are all on at 9 pm sunday this week thanks to dubya.)

      My family and friends have known for years that I will never answer the phone between 9-10 pm on Sunday nights. First it was X-Files, then the Sopranos, now Alias. I really don't think there is anything wrong with that, either. What's the problem with having two scheduled hours a week for watching television? (now I watch the Sopranos later in the week on HBO-on-demand).

      I try to watch the Daily Show every night, but I miss it frequently. Watching a daily show is too hard without a DVR.

    22. Re:Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gosh, if you didn't have a TV, how would you know how you were supposed to dress or act, what to eat, drink, drive (did I say drink and drive?), where to buy cars and furniture, how to cure ANY medical problem, and who can help you sue the b@stards if it doesn't? Scary to think of trying to make these decisions without the tube, isn't it? Scary to contemplate actually thinking for yourself. Yup, really scary. And really stupid.

    23. Re:Stupid by CommieLib · · Score: 1

      That too, but violence is more often presented in context than sexuality. But you're right, TV is incredibly violent as well, even on network TV.

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      If your bitterest enemies are people who hack the heads off civilians, then I would say you're doing something right.
    24. Re:Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, YOU are missing the point. The REAL point of "National TV Turn Off Week" is to make people like you feel smarter and better than other people, to prop up your own fragile ego. Who's got the problem? YOU DO.

  56. Proven TV Turnoff Results by rayax · · Score: 1

    One school has even taken this week long program, and streched it out to cover the entire school year. Check out http://www.tvturnoff.net for their story & results. This program has been statistically proven to raise students test scores, and has been so successful with the students that this year a majority of the entire school is participating in this program.

  57. My question... by tjkrz · · Score: 1

    When's National Mind-your-own-business week?

    1. Re:My question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > When's National Mind-your-own-business week? Every week. So, start right now.

    2. Re:My question... by tjkrz · · Score: 1
      I don't watch more than an hour or so a night unless there's sports on. I just want to know why there's an organization to keep people from watching. If they don't like TV, then they don't have to watch it.

      If I don't want to have kids, should I start an anti-reproduction organization for the end of overpopulation?

  58. Why is this needed? by amigabill · · Score: 1

    >90% of the people who participate in a TV Turnoff
    >Week successfully reduce the amount of television
    >they watch permanently.

    The stuff currently available to see on my TV viewing device made me permanently reduce the amount of TV I watch...

  59. what is wrong with TV? by alen · · Score: 0

    There are a variety of news shows for information. There are great educational channels like Discovery and National Geographic channel and HBO has some great shows like The Sopranos.

    Last week I saw a great show about the Muslim pilgrims on their visit to Mecca. My local PBS stations has good programming. CNBC has halfway decent business news. And they have all kinds of reality shows that my wife likes to watch after a day of struggling with hospotal patients.

    Just because you don't like most of the shows doesn't mean there is nothing good on for other people.

  60. This just promotes illegal activity!!! by linuxrunner · · Score: 1

    If I turn off my tv... where do I turn?

    My Computer!

    Well, Slashdot is just the same old stuff, so I'll have to see something new, so then I'll DOWNLOAD some copyrighted material off the net.

    The the MPAA will be after my ass.... All because you wanted me to turn off my TV and not watch HBO and pay-for-view porn.

    It's like being in AA (Alcoholics Anonymous) and having an "Get Drunk Every Night Week"...

    It just leads me back to my life a crime!

    (Come on Laugh.. it's funny!)

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  61. Here's an idea like the nicotine patch... by GPLDAN · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I got a 36" Sony XBR and a Tivo and got sucked in. Sopranos, HBO boxing on Saturday nights, started watching the NHL playoffs (last year). I knew it was bad. I knew I was going down the "joe six-pack" road. Started laying off the bike and gym to play a little Xbox and watch a game. It was keeping me from my SANS studies. I knew I needed a plan.

    I saw this article on CNN last year, and went out and got that stuff. Sold the Sony, sold the integrated tuner/Tivo. Hooked it up to a low cost DirecTV tuner only and dish.

    I started watching TV in a window on my computer. Slowly, I started backgrounding the window, and would IRC, and then code a little, and then slowly, started using it less and less. The software still gave me the Tivo function, so I could take a break and still FF through commercials.

    I highly recommend this approach. Get the fucking big box out of the house. Re-arrange your furniture. Spend the money on a good monitor, 21" or larger, non-plasma. Get the tuner card. Wean yourself off. If you have a family or SO that enjoys "movie night" - do them and yourself a favor. Go to the cinema. Get the hell out of the house.

    1. Re:Here's an idea like the nicotine patch... by Talahamut · · Score: 1

      If you have a family or SO that enjoys "movie night" - do them and yourself a favor. Go to the cinema.

      Just don't forget to leave the camcorder at home - and if you have an extra child, be sure to sell them for popcorn money!!

  62. Insensitive! by Mateito · · Score: 2, Funny

    But I don't even have a TV to turn off you insensitive clods!

  63. Hypocrisy by Gruneun · · Score: 1

    Let me get this straight. These people claim that the typical American is chained to their television and has somehow become incapable of scheduling meaningful activities? So, instead of the television having control, they are going to take it upon themselves to determine what my value structure should be and make those decisions for me?

    If I feel that my time spent watching a television program is worthwhile and that somehow has less intrinsic value to you... well, piss off. I don't care what you do on your time. If it's my time, I'm perfectly capable of allocating it to activities, including watching my television, without your input.

    1. Re:Hypocrisy by vorpal22 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      they are going to take it upon themselves to determine what my value structure should be and make those decisions for me?

      Could you have missed the point any further than you did?

      The point of National TV Turnoff Week is to provide people (most of who are largely unmotivated) with support through an organized event to reduce TV consumption. I'm sure there are a lot of people who would like to cut back on the number of hours they spend in front of the TV but lack determination to do so.

      No one's pressuring you into participating. It's there as an aid if you feel that it would be useful. If not, by all means, disregard it.

    2. Re:Hypocrisy by MCZapf · · Score: 1
      Of course you have the right to choose what to do with your time. What "these people" are suggesting is that you do without TV for a week and see how much you miss it. Apparently, many people end up deciding it's a better use of time to do something else. It's all up to you, though; and you won't know until you try.

      If you already don't watch much TV, then TV Turnoff week won't be of as much value to you, I admit that. But, I'll bet even you have gotten sucked into watching shows that, on closer inspection, you would decide aren't worth the time.

    3. Re:Hypocrisy by realdpk · · Score: 1

      If you don't do the same as someone else, or better, then that someone will judge you as broken and an idiot. This is the lesson they are trying to teach.

    4. Re:Hypocrisy by Gruneun · · Score: 1

      I think you missed my point. By implying that watching television is an activity that people should strive to avoid, they're saying that my values are misplaced. If someone said, "Come to our picnic," I'd be gratefful for the invitation and wouldn't have an issue. The fact that they say, "Television is bad, so turn it off and come to our picnic," annoys me. There is a significant difference.

      I overwhelmingly agree that there are activities that are much more valuable than watching your typical television program. I think it's great that they are putting on activities that exist as alternatives. Still, an opinion that the other activities are more valuable is exactly that... an opinion.

    5. Re:Hypocrisy by vorpal22 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      By implying that watching television is an activity that people should strive to avoid

      *nods*... I can appreciate that. I'm of the opinion that television watching in moderation is perfectly fine and probably even healthy if it helps you to relax, but for a lot of people, television watching can probably be unhealthy. I look at people like my grandparents, who watch eight hours of TV a day or so and sit around complaining about how miserable their lives are. I'm of the opinion that if they had some sense of accomplishment, they wouldn't be feeling nearly so pessimistic.

      I agree that the website takes a decidedly negative anti-TV slant. I find some of their claims questionable and think that using these kinds of tactics to promote their goal isn't particularly encouraging. However, I still find their cause to be noble; for people like my roommates who work jobs they dislike, plop their asses down, and watch TV for seven hours a night until bedtime, I think that having the added motivation to experience something new for a week would broaden their horizons and let them see if alternative activities are worth pursuing.

  64. Turn off the computer week next? by FerretFrottage · · Score: 0

    Then we'll see how many people (especially /. readers) think this is a good idea.

    Let's see, a whole week sans computer, what would you miss:
    1. 3 reposts of the same story on /.
    2. 100 Windows security updates
    3. Update of linux keneral to 2.6.1000
    4. 1000 music downloads
    5. 10 C & D letters related to sourceforge projects

    what wouldn't you miss: SCO

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  65. Why would this be a good thing? by eddy · · Score: 1

    "[...] reduce the amount of television they watch permanently."

    Should we also have a national "Don't read that book Week"?

    This sounds like dumb crap from people who believe they're "special" because they don't watch TV. The only thing "special" about them is their pompus belief that not watching TV makes them better.

    I'd support a "think about what you watch" campaign, but not this.

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    Belief is the currency of delusion.
    1. Re:Why would this be a good thing? by vorpal22 · · Score: 1

      Hardly.

      I think that a lot of people feel that they waste far too much time on TV, only they're not motivated to actually get up off their asses and do something about it. National TV Turn Off Week gives these people some additional support to accomplish this.

      No one's trying to force you or even remotely pressure you into participating.

      Personally, I don't think I'm special for not watching TV (well, I lie - I watch maybe two shows a week, but those I download off BitTorrent so that I can watch what I want when I want to, sans commercials and for free). However, I pity people who come home from work, plop their asses on the couch, and spend the entire evening doing nothing but watching television. It just seems to me that these people are accomplishing nothing and just sitting around waiting to die, really.

      I largely cut television out of my life three years ago after feeling like it was a tremendously dissatisfying experience. Reruns, commercials, and poor programming left me feeling far less relaxed than if I hadn't watched TV at all. Since then, my stress levels have decreased (I no longer feel controlled by television, and I don't require nearly as much stimulation to be happy) and my productivity and sense of accomplishment has skyrocketed.

      I agree with you, though. I think that being more discerning in what you watch is probably the best trade-off for most people.

    2. Re:Why would this be a good thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like denial from someone who in their heart knows they watch too much TV.

  66. I'm a recovering tv-holic by FartingTowels · · Score: 1

    Whenever I see a running TV I must flip channels for hours with no rhyme or reason. This was the main reason to get rid of cable 5 years ago and leave just the TV + DVD + Netflix/BlockBuster combination. All I can say - it kicks ass! No more crap, no more brain overload with flashy guano, no more sudden urges to get up and buy that Mc-Pizza right away.

    I strongly recommend you do the same. Netflix + a few DVD-RWs (so you can work-around the famous now Netflix mail delay) can give you all TV fun for $20 that you can ever imagine without crap and commercials. Also, you do not watch what is given, you select stuff yourself.

    P.S. And you have more time to browse all pr0n you need! ;-)

  67. Turn off the TV for a week?! by gpinzone · · Score: 1

    You mean I gotta live off only video games, and the Internet for a week? I'll go crazy!

  68. but..but... by The+Other+White+Boy · · Score: 1

    but theres a new south park this week..

  69. Series 2 of the NHL Playoffs? by chrisfromnowhere · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They want me to miss series 2 of the NHL playoffs? I don't think so... Especially not when my beloved Calgary Flames are doing so well :).

  70. TV use is inversely proportional to Internet use by Vandil+X · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Among the people I know and work with, it seems that those who spend lots of time on the Internet (or working/gaming on their computers) spend much less time watching TV than they did 10 years ago (pre-mainstream Internet).

    Among the people who still see computing/the_Internet as an appliance, are the ones still watching TV, an age group whose average age is increasing as more and more youths leave television to embrace the Internet and Internet-connected devices.

    Personally, the only time I watch TV now is the few minutes it takes in the morning to catch the weather on the news.

    Coffee, weather, Slashdot.

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  71. Would that be "National Internet Turn-To Week" by NRLphabrik · · Score: 1

    Or perhaps "National Porn Dedication Week".

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  72. Friends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sorry, but there's no way I'm missing Friends.

    If I had a PVR, this wouldn't be a problem, though.

  73. Re: National TV Turnoff week by Fibonacci+Ceres · · Score: 1

    My first thought was that they would be running more reality programming, which I find has already lessened my television watching substantially. However, I do find that since getting a Netflix subscription I watch more of what I want at more convenient times. I gather others have the same experience with PVRs. I just watched Joss Whedon's unfortunately cancelled Firefly series thanks to Netflix and I'm looking forward to the entire Prisoner series, followed by Fawlty Towers. I tend to pop in a DVD at my convenience, watch something I really enjoy and then turn it off. Of course any time saved is probably spent reading slashdot:). Note: I don't work for or own stock in Netflix. I had a .sig around here somehere...

  74. like "I do not masterbate" testimonials by peter303 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    People who claim holier-than-thou that they watch "almost no tv" are full of it. Scratch a little deeper and find out people watch moe than they claim.

    1. Re:like "I do not masterbate" testimonials by Anita+Coney · · Score: 2, Interesting

      While I don't claim to be "holier-than-thou" I'm a former TV addict who stopped watching TV when I had kids. I just didn't have time anymore. (As evidence to how bad my addiction was, I even watched Relic Hunter!!!!)

      Let's scratch a little deeper to see how much TV I actually watch now: Monday: Nothing. Tuesday: Nothing. Wednesday: Nothing. Thursday: Nothing. Friday: Nothing. Saturday: Nothing. Sunday: Nothing.

      How much deeper do you want me to go?!

      --
      If someone says he and his monkey have nothing to hide, they almost certainly do.
    2. Re:like "I do not masterbate" testimonials by vorpal22 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My TV watching consists of downloading last week's Simpsons and Malcolm in the Middle episode using BitTorrent. Apart from that, I have a television, which hasn't been on in weeks because I don't have cable (by choice, not circumstance - my roommates have cable and even spliced it for me, but I'm just not interested in hooking up). I have a VCR and DVD player for when I feel inclined to go out and rent something, but I don't do your general plop-down-and-watch-TV.

      Personally, I can't stand it. There are far too many reruns, and the commercials are so insulting to the intelligence that watching them is a painful experience. After a couple of years where I wasted a few hours every day watching TV, I realized what a tremendously dissatisfying experience it really was and decided to cut about 95% of my television viewing out. I can tell you that my stress levels dropped (because I'd just sit quietly and focus on doing one thing instead of trying to accomplish in front of the TV) and my happiness and productivity skyrocketed.

      I like the BitTorrent compromise - I get to select the shows I want to watch when I want to watch them (instead of it being up to the discretion of the media), I don't have to suffer commercials, and I pay nothing.

    3. Re:like "I do not masterbate" testimonials by cheide · · Score: 1

      How about this for a twist: I watch almost no tv, but wish I watched more.

      Seriously! I know there is good stuff to be found out there in the nooks and crannies of cable TV, but I just don't have the time to look for it or even watch it anymore. My lack of TV watching is more of a case of negligence than some deliberate 'statement.'

    4. Re:like "I do not masterbate" testimonials by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only shows I really watch are reruns. I think most new stuff is just horrible.

    5. Re:like "I do not masterbate" testimonials by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you're onto something. There are probably people who don't [masterbate or watch TV] much for whatever real reason, but I'm sure there are a lot who want to imply that they are [so smart/fulfilled/busy or getting so much ass] that they don't have time to bother with [TV or masterbation]. But they sure do enough of it to tell us [everything on TV is crap or masterbation isn't that fun anyway].

  75. Why so desparate to have TV? by paranode · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So many slashdotters act like everyone should be on some crusade to stop TV. Just because they aren't entertained by TV means nobody else should be.

    Forget the 20-100+ hours you spend a week in front of computers (especially if you work with them). The entertainment industry is one of the biggest industries in the US (if not the biggest). People get bored, and people want something to do. So what if their little TV shows give them something to look forward to in the evening or on a Saturday afternoon? Is that any worse than the obsession of reading internet news sites?

    Quit acting like you need to help people cope with their addiction to television. Ironically people who use this argument are often recreational illegal drug smokers. It's all about entertainment folks, don't judge people for the kind they like best.

    1. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 1
      Yup, yes, yes, yes. You know the old cliche, you don't like it, don't watch / listen / smoke...

      But since someone's going to say something like this, here goes...

      So many [insert knee-jerk group here] act like everyone should be on some crusade to stop [insert vice here]. Just because they aren't into [insert vice here] means nobody else should be.

      So you're saying just because YOU don't shoot up heroin doesn't mean I shouldn't?

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    2. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by wizarddc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because it's not productive or constructive. We (as in /. geeks) aren't saying all television is bad, or even certain shows. We're saying there is so much else to do with your life than sit on the couch. I don't own a tv, simply because I'm never home, between work and school. But I do watch tv. My friends and I will watch South Park and Chapelle's Show, and do it as a social activity. Then those shows are over, we'll generally then go do other things, like play music or sports or anything else really. TV as an activity is OK. TV as a lifestyle is horrible.

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    3. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by pileated · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think the question is the quality of the entertainment. Spend your life in front of a tv and you'll never know that richer more rewarding types of entertainment, like reading for one, are available.

      I think the idea is to just try it for a week. If you don't like in then go back to tv. But if you're afraid to even try, then tv sounds a wee bit like an addiction:-)

      But who cares really, it's your life. As far as I'm concerned people who encourage you to watch less tv are like people who encouraged you not to smoke 25 years ago. Anyone can take or leave the advice but many people who took it were glad that they did.

    4. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by Dictator+For+Life · · Score: 3, Insightful
      People get bored, and people want something to do.

      Incredible. So what exactly did people do before they had television? Did they just not get bored? Or did they have other things to do? Or did they find other ways to entertain themselves?

      Don't you think that addiction to entertainment is harmful? It seems not. Unfortunately, it appears that most of the country agrees with you.

      As for me and my family? We don't own a TV. We gave it up over a decade ago. Frankly, we don't know how TV slaves get anything done, because we still don't have enough time to do the things we want to do.

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    5. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by tmhsiao · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think the question is the quality of the entertainment. Spend your life in front of a tv and you'll never know that richer more rewarding types of entertainment, like reading for one, are available.

      I watched Mythbusters last night. I got far more reward from that one hour than from a day or so of reading a Nicholas Sparks novel. Sturgeon's Law applies to books, too...

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    6. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by peragrin · · Score: 1

      Mythbusters, The Discovery channel, and the History Channel are 2 of the few worth watching. Mythbusters is just plain fun. they show you how to build a cannon out of a log. They show you what happens to rotting pigs in your car. They blow up toliets.

      All the fun things you could do if you weren't watching TV, and had money to burn. :>

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    7. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Incredible. So what exactly did people do before they had slashdot? Did they just not get bored? Or did they have other things to do? Or did they find other ways to spout their opinion unconstructively?

      Don't you think that addiction to slashdot is harmful? It seems not. Unfortunately, it appears that most of the readers on this site agree with you.

      As for me and my family? We don't ever post on slashdot. We gave it up over a decade ago, when I got my for digit UID. Frankly, we don't know how slashdot posters get anything done, because we still don't have enough time to do the things we want to do, even though if you look at my recent posts I did spend all of last friday posting on the Auto -Censoring DVD Playerthread.

    8. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because it's not productive or constructive.

      So what. Hanging out on Slashdot is just about as productive and constructive as watching TV. Shall there be a crusade to stop reading/posting to Slashdot? Why do you even feel it necessary to tell people what to do? Who put you and your anti-TV crusading ilk in charge?
    9. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by spacecowboy420 · · Score: 1

      I wish we could redistibute mod points. This statement: TV as an activity is OK. TV as a lifestyle is horrible. alone makes it more insightful than the parent.

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    10. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by Rostin · · Score: 1

      Because there's more to it than just entertainment preference. Check out a book called Amusing Ourselves to Death .

    11. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by black+mariah · · Score: 2, Funny

      And I'm pretty sure that most people would consider sitting on your ass during all your free time to add skinning capabilities to a calendar that maybe three people use a total waste of time.

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    12. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      So you're saying just because YOU don't shoot up heroin doesn't mean I shouldn't?


      That's exactly what I would say if your habit doesn't otherwise affect me or the health and safety of society as a whole. History is rife with examples of opiate addicts who were otherwise normal members of society. The heroin "problem" is largely manufactured by its demonization, not its pharmacology.

      There should be a variant on Godwin's law for that puritan work ethic heroin troll...

    13. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by radish · · Score: 1

      That is such a crappy argument.

      What about healthcare. What did people do when they got sick before modern medicine and hospitals? Well they either got better on their own or they died. Does that mean we should stop going to the doctor?

      What did people do when they wanted to travel before cars/planes? Well they got a horse, or they walked, or they stayed at home. Does that mean we should all stay at home or gallop up the freeway?

      What did people do when they wanted to communicate before the internet? Well they wrote a letter, or picked up the phone. So why are you using the internet now? Eh? Stop it, go back to what used to be perfectly good for everyone just a few years ago.

      Fact is, people want entertainment. That can come from a variety of sources - movies, tv, computers, consoles, music (recorded or live), hobbies, cooking, books, art, the list goes on. We're lucky that at this point in time we have many more options available to us than our ancestors. Stop being a snob and trying to persuade others that their choices are wrong because they aren't the same as yours. Or being a luddite by saying that those choices are wrong because they've only been possible for 50 years or so. If I want to watch TV I will, if I want to read a book I will. Does that make me a "book slave"? I mean - how will anyone ever get anything done if they spend all their time reading?

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    14. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by edalytical · · Score: 1, Interesting
      It's not that TV isn't entertaining. People that get bored lack creativity, very much like children who haven't learned what to do with free time yet.

      Watching TV perpetuates the lack of creativity after all it is a very passive pastime. People that lack creativity don't often think for themselves, sometime that's a good thing, but it can also be dangeros.

      Sure, I spend almost all day in front of my computers, but it is in no way the same. The only similarity between the two is the TV screen and the monitor screen, that's quite superficial. I'm a shareware developer so my time in front of the computer consist of designing interfaces and writing code. I consider this highly creative work. Believe me you can't passively create software.

      I enjoy reading news, I prefer a printed newspaper to Slashdot, but I enjoy the interaction and discussion here, also not passive.

      By the way I don't own a TV, I will never watch one, and no I don't use drugs. Even if your statement was true there wouldn't be anything ironic about it.

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    15. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by cavebear42 · · Score: 1

      Why is reading more rewarding than TV? Slower, yes, but more rewarding? The story told on my favorite sitcom this week could have been a short story. I could have read it in just 3 hours or so, but I watched it in a sixth of that time.

      Why is the novel intrinsically better than the movie? Other than the fact you committed 2 months rather than 2 hours. In many ways, TV is superior to other forms of entertainment. It can be done on my schedule, unlike the dinner theater which I must make by 6 PM. Comic timing is much better spoken than read. Comedy clubs are fine here in LA, but not to many good comedians play in Hometown, USA. Also, through broadcast technology, we can have an audience be 1000's of times bigger without feeling like you are sitting behind 10,000 people to watch the show.

      TVs are addictions. As adults we are allowed to be addicted to things, that's our right. Addictions are not bad in and of themselves. Find one CEO of a fortune 500 who isn't a workaholic.

      Smoking is a whole other ball of wax. It is harmful to those around you and to our environment. TVs are very low wattage devices and generally cause people to sit around. Further, TVs give outlets for advertisements, thus furthering our economy.

      Next week, I shall make it a point to watch twice as much TV to make up for all those who don't watch any.

    16. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by Kynde · · Score: 1

      That's exactly what I would say if your habit doesn't otherwise affect me or the health and safety of society as a whole.

      Oh but it does. People spending all week day evenings nailed to the couch do not excercise, doubtfully eat very healthy. With national healthcare paid out of our taxes it becomes my problem. Just as your heroin consumption.

      Don't get me wrong here, I watch TV like the next guy, but I don't pretend that it's healthy, constructive or even that entertaining. So why watch it? Well, after a long exhausting day at work it's just damn difficult to try doing something healthy/constructive/entertaining.

      And as an off shot, I really do think that TV is, well, bad for kids. Today's parents are just too damn thrilled with their brats sitting still and quiet for few hours that they don't care... Yet they know damn they should be playing outside and doing other meaningfull childish stuff.

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    17. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We (as in /. geeks) aren't saying all television is bad, or even certain shows. We're saying there is so much else to do with your life than sit on the couch.

      No we're not. I'd happily waste away on my couch if there were anything good on. Hey, elitist geeks aren't the only ones turning off the tube, man. Folks from a lot of demographics are, because television programming, especially from the networks, is abysmal.

      Folks are going to find entertainment somewhere. It'd be nice if the television were a viable option.

    18. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by FeTrut · · Score: 1

      I don't know why this is modded 0. Troll or not, this is the funniest thing i've read on slashdot in a long time.

    19. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by dustmote · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe not for you. Whenever I read slashdot, I almost always learn something new or find something interesting from the links in the comments that people make. I find this to be a valuable use of my time. Now, I'm not saying that I don't learn things from TV occsionally, too, but it doesn't happen as often. Even when there are links that flash up on the screen on TV, I have to go into the other room to research them more fully. With the ol' electric Babbage Engine, I'm much more inclined to stop the flow of what I'm doing and investigate a tangent that I feel uninformed about. But this is only my experience. I cannot speak for other people's quality of experience.

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    20. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by mopslik · · Score: 2, Funny

      So what exactly did people do before they had television?

      Beats me. Maybe they all sat on the couch, staring at an empty wall, thinking "Gee, I sure wish we had something to watch. And something to watch it on."

    21. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by NDPTAL85 · · Score: 1

      So WTF do you do all day?

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    22. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe not for you. Whenever I read slashdot, I almost always learn something new or find something interesting from the links in the comments that people make. I find this to be a valuable use of my time. Now, I'm not saying that I don't learn things from TV occsionally, too, but it doesn't happen as often. Even when there are links that flash up on the screen on TV, I have to go into the other room to research them more fully. With the ol' electric Babbage Engine, I'm much more inclined to stop the flow of what I'm doing and investigate a tangent that I feel uninformed about. But this is only my experience. I cannot speak for other people's quality of experience.

      Why should you care what anyone gets out of TV or not? Why do you care? Who put you in charge of determining what amount people should learn through their various activities? It's scary that so many people take it upon themselves to tell other people not to watch TV based on their beliefs. Why do you think it's your duty to tell people that they shouldn't watch TV? I assume that you wouldn't like me telling you not to read Slashdot. And you can tell me that you learn a lot from it. But hey, IMO, it's not sufficient. So don't do it. You could spend your Slashdot time attending college.
    23. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by Dictator+For+Life · · Score: 1
      What did people do when they got sick before modern medicine and hospitals?

      Are you saying that entertainment cannot be distinguished from healthcare? If you're comparing the hypochondriac who can't stay out of the doctor's office to the bread-and-circuses American who can't get off his couch, then I suppose you have a point. But otherwise, this is bizarre.

      Fact is, people want entertainment.

      No. Really?

      No kidding. There's nothing "luddite" about suggesting that the modern obsession with entertainment is actually a bad thing, which was - quite obviously - the point of my post. There is something disingenuous about defenses of entertainment that equate addiction to it with taking advantage of technological advances, however.

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    24. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You heard it here first, folks. You have an obligation to the American taxpayer to stay in shape!

      Only traitors sit down to have a couple beers and watch the NBA playoffs on a Saturday evening. The real patriots are out bicycling or jazzercising or something while subsiding entirely on the South Beach Diet.

      If you put on a few pounds, you are not being an obediant ward of The State, who knows what is best for you and should be making all the decisions here. Pot bellies are unmutual and should be punished severely.

    25. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by pileated · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Most any other type of entertainment is better, maybe even intrinsically better as you suggest, because you can't get much more passive than tv. In other words you can't really be engaged with it and call upon your own faculties to interact with it. Basically you're a passive consumer.

      I know, sometimes you want to be a passive consumer. I think that's the great addictive quality of tv. You feel like being a passive consumer once and pretty soon you don't know how to be anything other than a passive consumer. Reading a story for instance forces you to mentally visualize what the author says. Obviously everyone does this somewhat differently but I think that for most people it does require them to recollect their own experiences in order to make the words seem like pictures or at least something than just mere words. At the same time the slowness of this process gets your mind and imagination working. Perhaps it drifts off to something other than what you're reading. Perhaps it drifts off based on what you're reading. Some people would say that's the whole problem. You don't get far reading. It's work, you lose your attention and you drift off, when you really just want to be entertained. But for others it's the actual drifting off, coming to new thoughts, exercising your imagination that makes it valuable.

      Obviously I could go on forever here, and many people have in books and articles. So I'll just leave it at this. I think the main point is that reading is a less passive activity and in most cases, that turns out to be more rewarding, mainly because it forces me to become involved. TV doesn't force much of anything other than watching mind-numbing commercials.

      I hesitate to get going on another topic but will anyway. The last time I served on a jury I felt that a good number of fellow jurors thought they were reenacting something they'd seen on tv, like they were on their own tv show, rather than being individuals coming to an important decision about the defendants' and the plaintiffs' lives. It was scary.

    26. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by Geoff-with-a-G · · Score: 1

      I'm sick of hearing the "everything on TV is crap" argument.

      You're watching the wrong shows.

      Sturgeon's law applies here, but it's made worse by advertising. Just because Survivor and Everybody Loves Raymond are super-hyped doesn't indicate that they're the best that TV can do. Plus, I can find you plenty of books that make these TV shows look intelligent and dignified.

      I read science-fiction, classic fiction, and non-fiction. I go to plays and movies, both independent and mainstream. Also, I watch TV, and I don't feel that it is inferior to the other forms of expression.

      West Wing. Sports Night. Firefly. The Sopranos. These are good shows. Not "good compared to the rest of the crap on TV", not "good, but they're no Shakespeare", I mean actually good.

      I've had my IQ tested, I have my SAT scores. I know where I went to high school and college, and where I grew up. You're welcome to claim that the reason I like TV shows is because I'm dumber, or less educated, or less cultured, but I don't believe you. Come to me with something better than stereotype. If you want to talk to me about "richer, more rewarding", show me a novel or play that has the level of character development and story depth that you find in a five season series of one-hour episodes.

      People are welcome to read instead of watching a TV. Save yourself the cost of the TV and the cable subscription, by all means. But don't try to tell me that it's because you're so enlightened and open to "richer" forms of entertainment. It's just a personal preference.

    27. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quit acting like you need to help people cope with their addiction to television. Ironically people who use this argument are often recreational illegal drug smokers. It's all about entertainment folks, don't judge people for the kind they like best.

      It is an addiction. Turn off your TV next week and prove to yourself that you're not addicted.
      Otherwise, STFU.

    28. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by jason0000042 · · Score: 1
      Why is the novel intrinsically better than the movie? Other than the fact you committed 2 months...
      You need to find a more entertaining book. What they call a 'page turner'.
      Comic timing is much better spoken than read.
      Maybe, but that doesn't stop me from reading books that make me laugh out loud.

      For myself, I have intuitively concluded that watching too much tv (ie, more than just a show here and there) actually reduces my ability to think critically, and makes me unhappy.

      I suspect that a lot of /.ers feel the same way as I do. And there's something about this type of revelation that makes people want to share. It doesn't just have to be tv=bad, it could be any type of life altering revelation, like meat=bad, jesus=good, jesus=bad, walking=good, punk=most rockinest, whatever.

      There is a natural tendency to see your new found understanding as the solution to the worlds problems.
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    29. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by EastCoastSurfer · · Score: 1

      Mythbusters is a great show. The 2 guys on the show are pretty funny and they end up making a bunch of cool stuff to prove/disprove a myth.

      I'm still trying to figure out how you beomce a "Folklorist" though. :)

    30. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by swillden · · Score: 4, Informative

      The entertainment industry is one of the biggest industries in the US (if not the biggest)

      Are you sure about that? Compare it to the computer industry. The top US entertainment companies for 2003 made:

      • Vivendi Universal: $61B
      • Time Warner: $40B
      • Walt Disney: $27B
      • Viacom: $27B
      • Comcast: $18B
      • News Corp: $17B

      Total $163B. In comparison, look at the top computer companies:

      • IBM: $89B
      • HP: $73B
      • Dell: $41B
      • Microsoft: $32B
      • EDS: $22B
      • Sun: $11B

      Total $268B, in an industry that has many more small players, so the total industry revenues would be even further apart.

      And even that's nothing compared to a really big industry, like the automotive industry. Ford and GM *each* made more money than the entire entertainment industry. And the oil industry makes the auto industry look small.

      The entertainment industry is big, but it's not nearly as big as people think it is. It has influence that is all out of proportion with its real scale.

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    31. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by mattyrobinson69 · · Score: 1

      So many [insert knee-jerk group here] act like everyone should be on some crusade to stop [insert vice here]. Just because they aren't into [insert vice here] means nobody else should be

      slightly off topic here but I smoke, and people harrass me to stop (my ex-smoking g/f mainly, and my anti-smoking dad). its my vice and i like it.

    32. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that any worse than the obsession of reading internet news sites?

      Bingo...key word for this topic: obsession. Once any form of entertainment becomes an obsession, it's probably time to take a break.

    33. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by dustmote · · Score: 1

      I never said it was my place to tell anyone what they should do with their time, jackass. I pointed out, in reply to the comment about whether or not it was better to watch television or read slashdot, that FOR ME, subjectively, it is a far more enriching to read /. than to watch television. I could care less whether someone else watches television, that's their problem, not mine. Try reading a little more closely instead of just getting the nouns and verbs out of a sentence.

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    34. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by Deraj+DeZine · · Score: 1

      WTF? You can let your mind drift during a movie or (not as likely, but still possible) during a TV show. I can clearly recall doing so under both circumstances.

      I don't see how reading is any better than a movie and (to a lesser extent) TV. You're still passive, it's just slower and uses a lot more language. I personally feel that the more complicated/interesting language is A Good Thing, but I also feel that images are much more memorable than words.

      I've read books in the past (not very many, I'll admit), but I don't remember them that well because they're just too long and not engaging enough.

      Games. That's more like it.

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    35. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by Deraj+DeZine · · Score: 1

      Finally someone with some sense!

      I'm tired of having bookworms look down on everything I do as not being "enriching" (a term whose definition is open for debate). Writers only take the time to craft detailed descriptions and paint vivid word pictures because they don't have the means to throw up the images on a screen the way movie directors do.

      I'll admit writers can conjure up impressive images with their words, but (aside from the argument from imagination) in the end it's all just a substitute for actually taking the reader somewhere.

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    36. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by lysium · · Score: 1
      Quit acting like you need to help people cope with their addiction to television. Ironically people who use this argument are often recreational illegal drug smokers. It's all about entertainment folks, don't judge people for the kind they like best.

      'Illegal drug smokers' is itself a judging statement. If that form of entertainment is punishable by prison, then is it not acceptable for its practioners to point out the double standard that exists? TV addiction is socially sanctioned, and hence most of the population is unaware that it a Bad Thing the in same way drugs are Bad Things.

      Either terribly addictive pasttimes are allowed, or they are not. Society needs to make the decision, but in the mean time you can stop perpetrating the double standard.

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    37. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the thing that gets me about TV is...

      TV has a HUGE influence over our society. So many people get ALL their news, & ALL their info from so few sources.

      The scary part is, most of these people have no idea just how much of their opinions, wants, and desires are influenced (even created) by television

      virtually everybody who drives an SUV is a victim of this, there is no practical reason to want one other than because the TV told you to.

    38. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by Cecil · · Score: 2, Informative

      The story told on my favorite sitcom this week could have been a short story.

      I think he meant reading something insightful, to cause you to do scary things like think about all kinds of stuff from politics up to and including the meaning of life. Most good books fall into this category. He certainly didn't mean reading a trashy supermarket romance novel.

      There really is no available comparison. The most thought-provoking thing I've ever seen on the aptly-named boob tube was "The Matrix". How sad is that?

      Mindless entertainment is great, don't get me wrong. I play video games all the time. You're welcome to watch TV instead if you like. Intellectually they're about the same. But you need to balance it out with something more challenging. It's nice to give the mind a rest now and then. But just like resting a bit is nice, despite the benefits of exercise, it's also good to give your mind some exercise. Read a good, intelligent book (sci-fi, fiction, non-fiction, doesn't matter), or really anything except TV. Build something, draw something, do something. All these things are much more rewarding than sitting and passively watching TV.

      I realize I sound like this guy but honestly, when I started to cut down my TV-watching, it not only gave me time to start cycling a lot more and getting my body in shape, reading because I enjoy it, and it gave me much more time for my hobbies like photography and programming as well.

      TVs give outlets for advertisements, thus furthering our economy.

      I am not an economist, but our economy is furthered by the creation of wealth -- technological advancements, increased industrial production, etc. Advertising creates no wealth, it does not advance society or the economy. It is a tool for encouraging voluntary redistribution of existing wealth, a byproduct of capitalism, not a contribution to the economy.

    39. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by dirk · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Why is reading more enriching than TV? I can sit down and read complete crap for 5 hours a day just like I can watch crap for 5 hours a day. It really bugs me when people say "TV rots your brain, you should read" because there is more crap to read than to watch. If I read People magazine, am I enriched? What about EGM? Or Sports Illustrated? What is the difference between reading these and watching ET, G4, or a sports game on TV?

      TV is no better or worse a medium than reading. There is a majority of crap in both mediums, you just have to find the stuff that is good.

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    40. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by shayne321 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh but it does. People spending all week day evenings nailed to the couch do not excercise, doubtfully eat very healthy. With national healthcare paid out of our taxes it becomes my problem. Just as your heroin consumption.

      Eh, but it's not T.V.'s fault people are "nailed to the couch". Lazy people are lazy people, myself included. If you took away my TV instead of laying on the couch watching the tube I'd be laying on the couch reading a book. Or using my laptop to surf slashdot. Or sleeping. Just because there's suddenly not a TV in the room doesn't mean I'm going to go out and take up jogging.

      Same with heroin. People who tend towards heroin addition generally have addictive personalities and are either trying to escape something (their present, their past), or simply love being "fucked up". But guess what? You take away their heroin and they'll move to oxycontin. Or Robitussen. Or alcohol. You get the idea. You can't change people by removing their access to a vice. This is why bans on gambling/smoking/drugs/drinking NEVER work.

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    41. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I never said it was my place to tell anyone what they should do with their time, jackass. I pointed out, in reply to the comment about whether or not it was better to watch television or read slashdot, that FOR ME, subjectively, it is a far more enriching to read /. than to watch television. I could care less whether someone else watches television, that's their problem, not mine. Try reading a little more closely instead of just getting the nouns and verbs out of a sentence.

      No, you never did say it you JACKASS (wow, look at how much more credible a post becomes when you call someone a jackass). But it's the implication that you make. Otherwise why would you even be commenting on it?
    42. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by Mycroft_VIII · · Score: 1

      Folklorist is probably a subset of anthropology or possibly sociology. Just my guess though. If you REALLY want to know ask at a couple of local community colleges.

      Mycroft

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    43. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by ccp · · Score: 1


      And I'm pretty sure that most people would consider sitting on your ass during all your free time to add skinning capabilities to a calendar that maybe three people use a total waste of time.

      And most people would be wrong, you insensitive clod!

      Cheers,

    44. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by Pantheraleo2k3 · · Score: 1

      1. I don't think it's off-topic at all.

      2. If you want to smoke, there are only 2 real problems I have with it

      2a. You're helping make execs at Philip Morris etc rich

      2b. You're releasing expletive deleted into the air

      3. And yes, enjoy your vice. Once you do that, I don't mind. Better you enjoy living a shorter life then suffer through a longer life.

      4. My vice would be Dilbert. The TV show. I lived for it. Now that Teletoon (I live in Canada) moved it to midnight, I don't care as much.

      5. Between books and /. I have all the entertainment I'll ever need

      6. Thank you for posting

      7. If I had mod points, I'd give you five insightful

      8. If someone mods it OT and I metamod it, I promise to say Unfair.

      9. Have a nice day.

    45. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by BlueCup · · Score: 1

      This isn't a questioning of your facts, I believe you, I'm just wondering if you're reffering to profit or revenue?

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    46. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by Pantheraleo2k3 · · Score: 1

      Even if TV was full of the good stuff and /. full of its worst, /. could still win by the fact that it is a two-way medium. Face it. With all of the RTFA comments, it's well known that most people read /. for the comments. It is the 'discussion forum' aspect that makes /. better. Thank you for posting

    47. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by BlackHawk-666 · · Score: 1
      As a recreational drug user, non TV watcher and persistent SlashDot offender I guess I'm one of the guys this remark is directed at. I don't feel the need to help anyone else with their TV addiction. If they want to spend an average of 25 hours a week in front of the passive TV watching bulk ads, station breaks and low grade shows that's their life they're wasting. I am however completely happy to was lyrical about how much more enjoyable my life is now I control my viewing habits.

      I can say this about giving up TV, I have more free time, a better relationship with my wife and friends, have taken up learning music and two instruments, read a lot more, and relax more. I'm a huge movie fan so I still watch DVD's but now I control when and what.

      Finally, I'm not addicted to drugs, I have simple made a choice to regularly enjoy them on a lifelong basis ;->

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    48. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by BlackHawk-666 · · Score: 1

      News flash! Heroin found to be a gateway drug for Robitussen abuse! In Soviet Russia heroin injects you.

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    49. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by Anonymous+Cow+herd · · Score: 1

      Society needs to make the decision

      Society has no business deciding what I do with other consenting adults in my own home. Period.

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    50. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by CowBovNeal · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Listen dude. Get your facts clear. I don't care if the parent made a point or no. I like my TV.

      You think IBM, Microsoft are going to sit and broadcast my Spurs basketball games, Formula1 racing, the WRC rally in New Zealand, Jeff Corwin on Animal Planet??

      You are just taking the big companies into account. There are *thousands* of smaller companies like local news stations, small production companies that contribute or make TV programs. Did you take them into account? No.

      As for the tech companies- you need them for pretty much every industry. From restaurants to phone companies to cruise ship building.

      Comparing them is like comparing apples to oranges.

      When was the last time you went to ibm.com, ate dinner and spent half an hour laughing?

      "Ford and GM *each* made more money than the entire entertainment industry"

      Where did you get these figures from? Ford made a loss last year(financial year) and GM is making decent profits only because of Ditech(General Motors Mortgage).

      And yes, I'm talking about net figures because gross income is bullshit. You can earn 50 billion but if your expenditures and liabilities exceed that, it doesn't mean a damn.

      People use the net a lot more but they still want their TV.

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    51. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed, and posts as an AC are far more credible. But before I stoop again to name calling, I will simply say that what *I* was implying in response to the DIRECT PARENT post was nothing of the sort. Had it been a response to the original post in this thread, THEN the context would have implied that. Conversations change from response to response, unless of course you're a Calvinist.

    52. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by Jardine · · Score: 1

      So what exactly did people do before they had television?

      Before we manly men could flip through channels on a tv with a remote control, we sat near the tv and fiddled with it (moving the bunny ears, moving the fine tuning knob, etc).

      Before that, we sat around the radio, slowly turning the knob to see if we could make that station come in just a little clearer or pick up that station just a little farther away.

      And I'm sure that way before that, when fire was first invented, all the men would gather around the fire. Every one of them with a stick so they could poke at the fire.

      This post blantently ripped off from some standup comedian on Just For Laughs.

    53. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by swillden · · Score: 1

      I was quoting revenues. If you consider profits, I think the scales tilt even more heavily toward the computer industry. I'm not certain about that, though.

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    54. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by Dictator+For+Life · · Score: 1
      A reply to a post like this is probably a no-win scenario, but I'll have a go at it anyway.

      In the first place, I'm not sure that 477 (478 counting this one) posts over the several years I've been visiting Slash constitutes "addiction".

      In the second place, I spent time on the auto-censor thread in three bursts - one of which was during lunch. During the others I had major SQL queries running and had time for a post or two. Big deal. If you've got a subscription, you can do the history check and see that there are huge blocks of time where I never post at all.

      In the third place, I don't own a TV, and in my posts on the auto-censor thread, I was discussing others' right to use that product, and homeschooling. Big deal.

      In the fourth place, we *do* own a DVD drive, and we do occasionally watch DVDs on the computer - like maybe once a week. Again - big deal.

      So your post, while initially humorous, really doesn't amount to much once the facts are known.

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      DFL

      Never send a human to do a machine's job.

    55. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by ryanwright · · Score: 1

      I am however completely happy to was lyrical about how much more enjoyable my life is now I control my viewing habits.

      Holy cow, that sentence is mind boggling. I'd guess you were engaging in 'recreation' while posting this. ;)

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    56. Re:Why so desparate to have TV? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the advice, Daddy. Any more words of wisdom on how you think we should live our lives? I cant wait to hear it.

  76. It's already a turn-off by tomhudson · · Score: 1

    I agree, but I thought that the regular pap that's served on TV already made it a turn-off nation-wide :-)

  77. thank god for my DVR by MalaclypseTheYounger · · Score: 1

    I'll just set my DVR to record all my TV shows for the week, and watch them all the week after..

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  78. Don't Cold Turkey; TimeShift by 4of12 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    TiVo is your friend here, just like Nicorettes!

    Instead of completely shutting off the tube for a week - just don't view anything for a week!

    Leave the TiVo to grab those shows you actively choose to watch at a later time of your own choosing rather than the broadcasters'.

    Watching less TV will decrease the stress in your life and that anxious feeling that there is never enough time.

    Spend time talking to friends and relatives, reading classic books and in-depth analysis of current events, gardening, cooking from raw ingredients, or quiet time walking through natural settings.

    You'll feel a lot less like an electrified monkey in a Skinner's box and much more like a human being.

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  79. Calvin & Hobbes by SolemnDragon · · Score: 3, Funny

    By Bill Watterson:

    Calvin: : It says here, "Religion is the opiate of the masses."...What do you suppose that means?
    TV: ...It means Karl Marx hadn't seen anything yet...

  80. I'm being serious here: Does it count if.... by Dark+Paladin · · Score: 1

    If you have Tivo record the shows you miss, and you catch up with them next week? I usually have just 2 shows I care about - The Daily Show (which if you miss it, 2 days later it loses the oomph since current events have passed) and Clone Wars. Maybe South Park if I remember.

    So if you record the shows for later, is that kosher? Because I think I can talk my wife into this, but she's certainly in the "But I'll miss Friends!" camp. Heaven forbid she shouldn't find out if Ross and Monica are finally going to get together.

  81. That is just brilliant..got a better name for it by Phelan · · Score: 1

    It should be renamed "National Hurt the Economy" Week, less viewers = less advertising $$$
    Ohh and all the electricity people will safe across the US? Enron's replacements could really use that money!

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    "Nimis exaltatus rex sedet in vertice - caveat ruinam!"
  82. Residence by gregmac · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I found after 1st year university, I watched way less television. I didn't have one in my room (the people who did could only get maybe 1 channel with rabbit ears - no cable). The only way to watch was to go to the TV room on the floor, and we really didn't do that much.

    After I moved back home, I just didn't watch that much TV anymore, because I was used to not watching.

    Of course, my watching of movies went up dramatically, but what can you do.

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  83. Successfully reduce?? by Zen · · Score: 1

    I don't understand things like these. It's just common sense that tells you that anyone who compains about the 'crap' on tv, or who just doesn't have certain shows that they watch all the time are going to be the people who participate. Those people may just be looking for an excuse to stop watching tv altogether. And that's fine with me. But I don't see how this will have any affect on the vast majority of us who actually enjoy watching tv, and cannot even fathom the phrase "successfully reduce the amount of television they watch permanently". Yes, I watch a fair amount of television (generally 3-4 hours a day). I watch some sitcoms, drama, crime investigation shows, and lots of movies. I don't have any desire to watch less tv, and I don't see any reason why some group sees the need to push their own agenda's through trying to get me to watch less tv. TV itself is not evil. Stupid people who do nothing other than sit on the couch and watch tv, or those who watch none at all and claim it rots people's brains are the ones that are evil.

  84. No TV for YOU! by mass · · Score: 1

    Bah, a week is nothing. I had no TV for almost 2 years, and I read a lot of books (like the entire Dune series, including prequels) - Now, I'm sucked back in watching reality TV ... bah .

  85. And you are proud of that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are proud that you have shut yourself off from a source of information? Don't tell me: you burned your books in 1988 and you are so proud of that too!

  86. what about by _Qiang_ · · Score: 0

    a turn off computer day?

    should we leave the server on :-)

  87. Oldmanmurray said it best by superultra · · Score: 4, Funny

    From Erik of oldmanmurray (may it RIP):
    "People who don't watch TV love to mention it and never fail to pair that statement with the fact that they read books too. But as long as they're patting themselves on the back for simply not doing something, it seems to me that there are lots of worse things you could be taking credit for not doing. For instance, next time someone decides to lord over you the fact that he doesn't watch TV, go ahead and tell him "Good for you!" Then while everyone around you is reflecting on his massive intellect, up the awful-things-you-don't-do ante by mentioning that you don't rape people and then add that you watch lots of television instead. Not only does that make you a better person - after all what kind of psychotic jerkoff wastes his time not watching TV when he could be busy not commiting violent sex crimes? - but it gives you sort of an air of barely suppressed operatic rage, which makes you more like Batman."

    linkified.

    1. Re:Oldmanmurray said it best by bartash · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why do people need to brag about not watching TV?

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    2. Re:Oldmanmurray said it best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > which makes you more like Batman Or some fool with no comprehension of logic. Then again, maybe I just suffer from 'massive intellect.' So, just to dispell this myth, my advise would have to be: Bite Me.

    3. Re:Oldmanmurray said it best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > which makes you more like Batman

      Or some fool with no comprehension of logic. Then again, maybe I just suffer from 'massive intellect.' So, just to dispell this myth, my advise would have to be: Bite Me.


      So here you are forcing violent sexual imagery on us. Sounds like you need to spend more time not raping people, and maybe less time not watching TV.

      Personally, I spend nearly all of my time not watching television and, surprisingly enough, not raping people as well. (and not reading books, for that matter) I guess I'm just good at multitasking, or would that be multi-not-tasking? Either way, I suppose that would categorize me as having a massive half intellect, which is at least better than none at all. Also, I think I deserve a cookie.

    4. Re:Oldmanmurray said it best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See you almost seemed like you were going to say something that sounded smartish, but then you said bite me. And also spelled advice wrong. And exhibited no comprehension at all of satire. Or humor. Score one for the smarties, eh?

  88. I agree... by Anita+Coney · · Score: 1

    I used to watch a lot of TV, I'd even watch shows I hated, just because nothing else was on. Then my wife and I had kids. We never had time to watch shows we liked, so we essentially stopped watching. I couldn't even find time to watch the Simpsons anymore.

    The strange thing is, now that our kids are older and I can watch TV again, I still never do. Even shows I used to like are excruciatingly boring. It's like I've left Plato's cave and realized that TV is nothing but tedious and annoying shadows.

    Nowadays I'd much rather do almost anything to avoid TV. The idea of just sitting and being bombarded with crap is utterly unappealing to me. If you watch even more than two hours of TV a week, I strongly suggest you destroy it and start living your life again!

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  89. Some negative side effects by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The murder rate peaks around the April 23rd mark.

    No TV and no beer makes Homer something something.

  90. Re:TV use is inversely proportional to Internet us by Seft · · Score: 1

    Yeah, if they want to make people watch TV, they should have national free bradband week :).

  91. Weird by form3hide · · Score: 1

    Weird.

    I disconnected the cable line going into my TV last night because it was screwing up my broadband connection.

  92. whats new? by prinko · · Score: 1

    my roommate took his tv home about 2 or 3 weeks ago, too many people were just hanging out here playing gamecube or watching tv...i have been pretty much tv free this whole time... too get an idea of what the people who were hanging out here, please refer to urbandictionary.com, a gumch and paradouch...ahh college...good times in other news, i cant wait for my tuner card to arrive in the mail any day now...

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  93. TIVO by hoggoth · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've found that since I got my TIVO my TV watching has declined enormously. I used to plan my schedule so that I'd be home in front of the TV for the three or so shows I liked to watch. Invariably I'd end up watching something before and after "my" shows, and start following those shows as well, even if they weren't that good.
    Now with TIVO, TV is not a part of my schedule anymore. I only watch TV for exactly three hours a week, and each of those hours take up 40 minutes real-time (no commercials).

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    1. Re:TIVO by jc42 · · Score: 1

      I've found that since I got my TIVO my TV watching has declined enormously.

      Heh. Since my wife got her wireless Mac Powerbook, our TV has hardly been turned on. I didn't watch much anyway; the last time I spent more than 10 minutes in front of the Tube was Sept 11, 2001. But that's another topic. It got home to me how weird I was years ago when I was in grad school. A friend left a bunch of stuff at my place over the summer, including a TV set, and at the end of the summer, I realized I'd never turned the TV on. So I suppose I'm a hopeless case.

      Anyway, most of the TV here was watching the old movie channels, and a Mac plus NetFlix is a lot more practical for that. TV news is a joke; you can learn more in 10 minutes of news.google.com than a whole day of TV news shows.

      We are wondering whether it's time to see if we can get just cable Internet and forego the cable TV. Unfortunately, most places you can't, or if you can, it doesn't save you much money.

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    2. Re:TIVO by bigt_littleodd · · Score: 1
      Really?

      I found my TV habit to increase since getting TiVo last fall. Now I watch more TV (from 4-5 hrs/wk to about 6-8) but I feel that I am doing it in a more time-efficient manner. (S-P-S-3-0-S, if you know what I mean!)

      However, I think I am watching *better* TV due to TiVo, because I don't fall into the "lead-in" trap that the networks are structured around, and I pick and choose stuff that I think is worthy of my time.

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  94. Much needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    This is great. Just think of how much more Everquest I'll be able to play with no TV.

  95. lazy bastards by super_ogg · · Score: 0

    This is probably the most important week to fight obese people.

    Get off your lazy asses and and get some exercise. Reality TV is shitty and you know it. Stop trying to play it off as if it's good.

    Pathetic when you have to watch someone's life to try to get some sort of enjoyment. Pathetic.

    ogg

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  96. In related news... by bangular · · Score: 1

    In related news, in an attempt to gain new viewers Fox will be broadcasting it's lastest special. Celebrity drunken midgets beat up little kids in a boxing ring with oversized novelty boxing gloves.

    1. Re:In related news... by Jad+LaFields · · Score: 1

      Celebrity drunken midgets beat up little kids in a boxing ring with oversized novelty boxing gloves.

      I'd buy a television just to see that. =)

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  97. Looks like I picked the wrong week... by schemanista · · Score: 1

    ...to give up amphetamines.

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  98. Just one week? by panda · · Score: 1

    Huh? It seems like there's something on TV every week that turns me off.

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  99. You can have my remote.... by Random+Juxtaposition · · Score: 1

    when you pry it from my Cold... Dead... Hand!

  100. Bah! by Mr.+Firewall · · Score: 1, Troll

    My TV goes for weeks at a time without ever being turned on. When it is, it's usually to watch a video.

    There is simply NOTHING offered on TV these days that is worth watching -- that can't be obtained on-line. I was glued to the NASA TV web site during the recent Mars landings. And I'm a news addict on Election Night. But all that can be watched on line these days.

    If people want to rot their brains, let them do it. It isn't anybody's business anyway. All of these busybodies worrying about whether this or that cultural phenomenon is sending us to Hell -- well, they need to go visit a brothel, or get an enema, or do something to get over their g*****n anal fixation with other people's personal choices.

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  101. I can turn off my TV no problem... by Kredal · · Score: 1

    I'll just TiVo everything for the week, and catch up the week after!

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  102. Leccy Bill! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder how much electricity it will save too!

  103. How about NO TV? Works for me in a weird way by Selecter · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I have been TV free for about 5 years. The first thing I noticed when I quit was how much other people base their lives and personalitys around what they see on TV. It's really amazing. I cant get thru one day at work without someone parroting some viewpoint not of their own making becuase some show said something about a topic.

    The side effect is that I dont live in quite the same world as everyone else, and I am totally not influenced by televised events, so I often do not have the same reaction to things as my co-workers. I never saw the images from 9/11 until weeks afterward. Life was the same for me, before and after, but everyone else around me adopted new postures on life. It was wild. Nothing in their life had changed either, but they went mental. The iraq war did more to change actual life instead of virtual life, becuase some of them have kids over there. Thats reality.

    This reality TV, this Trump thing going on - it has precious little impact on me. I know it's going on but I dont watch it, I dont see the ads, the companies paying for that ad time dont get me.

    I hate TV becuase I consider it to be a tool of government and corporate control and I dont want to be affected. So I dont have a TV in my house and I dont watch. I live a different life becuase of that and my choice I've made.

    1. Re:How about NO TV? Works for me in a weird way by linuxrunner · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I hate TV becuase I consider it to be a tool of government and corporate control and I dont want to be affected. So I dont have a TV in my house and I dont watch. I live a different life becuase of that and my choice I've made.

      Just to make sure you're aware... The Unibomber felt the same way about technology too... Just want to make sure you know who your neighbors are.

      I have a TV, but only watch the news and usually the history channel. Lots of good stuff on there like "Mail Call" :) Gotta check that one out, trust me!

      But let me know if you start bombing people ok? I'd like to know of nuts in advance... Government control... man you people really do wear tin foil hats around here...

      Join a Militia yet?

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    2. Re:How about NO TV? Works for me in a weird way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You post on slashdot but managed not to see a single picture from 9/11 online until weeks afterwards??

    3. Re:How about NO TV? Works for me in a weird way by cain · · Score: 1

      Say -- haven't we met before?
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    4. Re:How about NO TV? Works for me in a weird way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      #insert <sarcasm.h>

      But GASP! You still watch TV! You must be a mindless drone, under the control of our evil government and corporations! You must REPENT! REPENT!

    5. Re:How about NO TV? Works for me in a weird way by SteelX · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm in the same scenario but for different reasons. I can't afford a TV. Sure, I can fork out money to buy one with my credit card, but I choose not to. I don't earn much at all, and every dollar I spend, I try to spend it on something worthwhile. The TV is the absolute last thing on my shopping list.

    6. Re:How about NO TV? Works for me in a weird way by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

      The side effect is that I dont live in quite the same world as everyone else

      And you consider this a good thing?

    7. Re:How about NO TV? Works for me in a weird way by linuxrunner · · Score: 1

      Shhh.. Why do you think I replied in the first place..

      My Government MASTER is telling me to convert this last pocket of resistance!

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    8. Re:How about NO TV? Works for me in a weird way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It's nice to hear someone put this into words so succinctly. I've also been TV-free for years and have experienced exactly what the parent post describes. The culture of television is so all-emcompassing that when you make the choice to step outside of that culture it can feel very lonely. However, when you step back from a thing and remove yourself from its direct influence you can start to see things you never would have noticed before. For example, I am exposed to television occasionally (in bars, at the gym, etc.--it's nearly impossible to avoid exposure) and I have noticed that over the last 10 years TV has become increasingly lurid. The actors, anchormen, and hosts look less and less human, the colors are brighter and more saturated, the frame never lingers on anything, camera angles and scenes switch at a blinding rate. Nothing is explored in depth either visually or intellectually. Maybe this is why recent studies have found links between attention defecit disorder and TV viewing in children (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3092902.stm). Maybe turning of the TV for a week will help people realize how desensitized they have become.

    9. Re:How about NO TV? Works for me in a weird way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I cant get thru one day at work without someone parroting some viewpoint not of their own making becuase some show said something about a topic.

      Hm, television is the opiate of the masses.

    10. Re:How about NO TV? Works for me in a weird way by ThePorkHawke · · Score: 1
      I cant get thru one day at work without someone parroting some viewpoint not of their own making becuase some show said something about a topic.

      Presumably this people are passing these opinions off as their own insight!? So ... given that you don't watch TV, how on earth do you know that what they are saying is from a TV show?

      As you claim to only watch one side (co-workers) I don't see how you can draw a comparison between them and TV.

    11. Re:How about NO TV? Works for me in a weird way by WTFRUDOINBiotch · · Score: 2, Funny


      So I dont have a TV in my house

      So what do you point all of your furniture at?

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    12. Re:How about NO TV? Works for me in a weird way by Hamster+Of+Death · · Score: 1

      Well I don't have a TV in my apartment either, so I point my furniture at the wall the projector shines on =)

    13. Re:How about NO TV? Works for me in a weird way by Selecter · · Score: 1
      I glean a lot from the net and from them. Enough to know in a very roundabout way what the show is about at the least, or in the case of the news what everyone is going on about. Enough to know that many just parrot what they hear. Like the Donald Trump show thing where he is firing poeple. Now everyone is walking around my workplace going "YOU'RE FIRED!" like it's the new thing to do.

      Interesting you think I might be a unabomber type. Therefore I feel a need to comment on that - I have no doubt in my mind that if the Founding Fathers were to come back into 2004 they would call for a armed rebellion against the government and be disgusted at the sheep that has resulted from monkeying around with poeples dreams in the last 80 years. Our government is not ours and has not been ours for many years. It belongs to the corporate interests and their hired stooges in the lawmaking bodies around the country. They own it. I actually cant wait for the coming economic collapse - becuase only then will their power be undermined. A country 7.1 trillion dollars in debt to everyone else on the planet and itself, not even counting the squandered Social Security money , cant do much of anything. It's only a matter of time. So yeah, I guess I have some of those ideas. But I'm not going to bomb anyone.

      I dont block myself from technology that I think benefits me - just what I think has no value to me, and TV sure fits. I read a lot, and I "watch" on lot of internet. The reason is that the internet is a self directed trip, where TV never can be. I go where I want to go and see what I want to see. TV can never do that, it's always top down. And I know that those people at the top dont have my interests at heart.

    14. Re:How about NO TV? Works for me in a weird way by jcorgan · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I can echo a lot of the same. I turned off the TV when my son was born in 1991. One of the last things I watched was the opening salvo of the first Iraq war, on CNN.

      It's true what you say about not living in quite the same world as others around you. There are many cultural references which have their basis in TV shows and commercials, and people act strangely when I mention I have no idea what they are talking about. And I occasionally miss out on such gems as the (Honda?) commercial with the Rube Goldberg setup with all the auto parts :)

      For news I've relied on the 'net--and the fact that I can get viewpoints from journalists outside the US very easily. What is fascinating is not so much the different spin put on world events from different parts of the world (everybody has spin), but rather what gets reported and what doesn't, or how long international events stay in the collective attention span of a region. From the attention given in America, you'd think the recent bombing in Spain or the Bali bombing never happened. When 9/11 happened they put CNN on 24x7 on a wall-sized display in our office cafeteria for a week. (Okay, different magnitude of events but the horror is the same.)

      I travel a lot internationally for business, and I do occasionally turn on the TV set in the hotel room. Commercials the world over are hilarious, and frightening. Television advertising is a multi-billion industry subject to the same market efficiencies as everything else--only the most effective advertising techniques tend to survive in the long run. So what you see in TV commercials is the way it is because it works--a scary commentary on our collective psyche.

      I've even turned off the radio, for the most part. Between the blandness of the FM dial and the hysterical pomp of AM talk radio, there just isn't anything worth listening to anymore. Try turning on a shortwave radio and tuning in to English language broadcasts to witness the vast variety "world band" radio has to offer. Yeah, there are still nutcases, but you also hear about a lot of things we never hear about in our cozy suburban comfort zone.

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      Babies are cute because they have to be.
    15. Re:How about NO TV? Works for me in a weird way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You consider the world everyone else lives in to be a good thing?

    16. Re:How about NO TV? Works for me in a weird way by gillbates · · Score: 0, Flamebait
      I cant get thru one day at work without someone parroting some viewpoint not of their own making becuase some show said something about a topic.

      Amen to that.

      For years, tv has been liberally biased. Yet I believe one of the reason why the Democrats have lost power in the House and Senate is that the popular tv stations were broadcasting the liberal dogma. What happened was that while liberals were watching their tv sets, conservatives were building political networks. The end result was that the liberal programming actually dumbed down the viewers so that their political effectiveness extended little beyond repeating the same tired, old expressions taught to them by TV. They knew what they were supposed to feel and think, but lacked the ability to actually change their world.

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      The society for a thought-free internet welcomes you.
    17. Re:How about NO TV? Works for me in a weird way by Trifthen · · Score: 1

      Are you this guy?

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    18. Re:How about NO TV? Works for me in a weird way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah...well..I watch 18 hours of tv a day. And I dont rape small children. Hmm, maybe oldmanmurray has something here.

    19. Re:How about NO TV? Works for me in a weird way by ThePorkHawke · · Score: 1
      I just re-read my post and I am pretty sure there is nothing about Unabomber in there. Nope, definately not. Are you mad?

      This "self directed stuff", its actually all bollocks I am afraid and simply shows that you have not thought your argument through and your attempt to be superior to others through your choice is actually based on flawed assumptions.

      It works like this. I look at a TV guide, see whats on, choose what I want to watch and watch it. Same way I browse, skip most things and read what I want. TV can try and shove stuff down my throat by way of adverts, even product placement during shows I choose to watch. Then again, the internet does exactly the same thing, I have tried to rad articles, only to be presented with a flash add on a holding page first and the articles I want to read often have banners on them.

      There is no difference. People can sit through adverts in both scenarios, or not in both scenarios. Hell, sometimes if an advert is good I will actually enjoy watching it, for example, John Smiths adverts in the UK. Its also worth noting that I hate John Smiths (its a beer).

      People can sit effortlessly in front of the goggle box and press the remote. People can sit effortlessly in front of the pornweb and press the mouse.

    20. Re:How about NO TV? Works for me in a weird way by Bobman1235 · · Score: 1

      I never saw the images from 9/11 until weeks afterward. Life was the same for me, before and after, but everyone else around me adopted new postures on life. It was wild. Nothing in their life had changed either, but they went mental. The iraq war did more to change actual life instead of virtual life, becuase some of them have kids over there. Thats reality.

      Dude, it's one thing to have the typical arrogant "I don't own a TV, people who watch TV are slaves" attitude, but to insinuate that the only reason anyone was affected by an event like 9/11 was because it was on TV is one of the most ignorant things I've ever read ... especially with a +5 Moderation.

      I agree with you that more people are probably personally affected by the Iraq war (err, more Americans would probably be mroe accurate, OBVIOUSLY more PEOPLE are affected). Most folks have kids over there, or know someone who's over there. Certainly more people than knew someone in the towers or on the plane on 9/11. But it doesn't mean that if TV hadn't been around that people woudln't be affected by 6000 innocent citizens being killed by terrorists. That's an extermely ignorant statement.

    21. Re:How about NO TV? Works for me in a weird way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My stereo!

    22. Re:How about NO TV? Works for me in a weird way by Selecter · · Score: 1
      It's not like that. Nowhere in my posts have I attached a value judgement to my choice of living without TV, but the lack of it in my life sure does make a difference. One can argue positive or negative, but there's a huge difference.

      I dont read newspapers or watch TV. I dont subscribe to any magazines. I did get the images off the net like anyone else would ( still pix ) but what I was trying to say is that I just didnt get the emotional impact of 9/11 the same way people that have TV's did. I saw the first video of the planes hitting the towers about 2 weeks afterward. But there's no way I could have the same reaction, becuase of my self imposed semi isolation.

      Shared experiences among millions of poeple means that poeple do have stronger reactions to events that dont touch their lives personally - if the towers had been blown up before the advent of TV (just for the sake of argument) there's no way that the entire USA would reacted in the same way. They didnt when the Hindenburg blew up, or when the WW2 bomber hit the Empire State building. Different world. I think the closest thing to 9/11 pre TV was the War of the Worlds broadcast.

      To a large extent, I still live in the world before TV, becuase it does not enter my life. I can tell you that life without TV is very different than life with it. I am isolated to an extent but it's amazing how you can keep up on the world thru the eyes of those around you. And it's not like I live in a bubble, I have hi speed net and partake of everything it has to offer. I just prefer to get my info from a different source that allows me greater control and the ultimate choice about what I see. TV cant do that, and it never will.

    23. Re:How about NO TV? Works for me in a weird way by Crash6-24 · · Score: 1

      How about a "turn off the RIAA" week? Suppose NO ONE bought ANY CDs. No legal downloads. No song swapping for an entire week.
      I suppose the reason for turning off the TV is to protest the waste of time (Ads) and the crap that is televised. Stop buying recordings to send the same message to the RIAA.
      Hell, for that week don't rent a movie. Don't go to the movies. Let the MPAA feel our wrath!
      Then by stock in baby food and diaper manufacturers. 9 months from now there's going to be a baby boom. Oh, yeah, this is /. - nevermind.

    24. Re:How about NO TV? Works for me in a weird way by stanmann · · Score: 1

      My other furniture, that way I can face my company when we talk.

      --
      Food not Bombs is a nice platitude but it breaks down when you notice that the Bombees are usually well fed
  104. Why? by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 4, Funny
    Dear Rabid TV Advocates:

    On second thought, keep on watching. Watch to your heart's content. The bike paths are already crowded enough, and I shudder to imagine what some of your kind would talk about around the water cooler if it weren't for "Survivor".

    What nobody seems to realize is that the world needs mindless drones--lots and lots of mindless drones. I don't want a deluge of sensible, enlightened, productive non-TV watchers. For one, it'll wreak havoc with my sense of superiority. What's more, it'll mean that I'll face stiffer competition both in the workplace and in my pastimes as more and more people wake up and become thoughtful, productive individuals. What, you think I want more competition for that promotion?

    If you stop watching TV, you won't be able to roll your eyes at me and my freakish, elitist, hippie lifestyle. Similarly, I'll be unable to fire off snide insults about your sedentary, mindless lifestyle. Why ruin the fun for both of us?

    I encourage you to watch as much TV as you want, and to share that time in front of the tube with your children, as well. You'll be happier, I'll be happier, and everything will work out wonderfully.

    Hugs 'n' kisses, AAiP

    (hint: tongu_ in ch__k. Buy a vowel...)

    --

    Obliteracy: Words with explosions

    1. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      (hint: tongu_ in ch__k. Buy a vowel...)

      Can I buy an i?

    2. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shouldn't that be a "vow_l?"

    3. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (hint: tongu_ in ch__k. Buy a vowel...)

      I'm sorry. I don't get this. Is this some sort of reference?

  105. Re:Moderators are idiots by (54)T-Dub · · Score: 0

    sarcasm ( P ) Pronunciation Key (särkzm)
    n.

    1. A cutting, often ironic remark intended to wound.
    2. A form of wit that is marked by the use of sarcastic language and is intended to make its victim the butt of contempt or ridicule.

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    "I can not bring myself to believe that if knowledge presents danger, the solution is ignorance" - Isaac Asimov
  106. Totally insensitive... by SteelX · · Score: 1

    I don't have a TV, you insensitive clod!!

    Every week is National TV Turn Off week!

  107. The Kwisach Haderach by AtariAmarok · · Score: 4, Funny

    (like the entire Dune series, including prequels) - Now, I'm sucked back in watching reality TV ... bah .

    Tonight on the Arrakis Broadcasting Company (ABC): "The Kwisach Haderach". 220,000 originally applied, but tonight only one will by chosen by Trump-Gesserit as the Kwisach Haderach. Tune in and spice up your life!

    Over on Tech TV, yet another panel discussion about how Tech TV will survive once the Butlerian Jihad reaches its completion. Quote from Leo LaPorte: "A Vic-20 does not count as a thinking machine, does it?"

    Over on the other network, there is Fear Factor. Yet another worm-swallowing episode. I doubt the typical outcome with the worm swallowing all the contestants in one gulp will ever be altered.

    Also, on CBS (Caladan Broadcasting System), there is "Survivor". Find out who survives when the royal family is dumped on a harsh desert planet.

    On CNN, an interview concerning the ongoing search for Shaddam IV's weapons of mass destruction.

    --
    Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
    1. Re:The Kwisach Haderach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That... was the funniest thing I've heard all week... thank you!

    2. Re:The Kwisach Haderach by Perky_Goth · · Score: 1

      thanks for reminding me that it's worth the scroll to the end of the page. hillarious.

  108. Trade one vice for another... by paranode · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Instead of watching a little TV, you're now spending more time and money on the Internet, drinking, and women.

    Sounds like you've got the solution everyone's been looking for. "Be exactly like me or you're stupid!"

    By the way, HDTV is not mandated by the government. You're confused with Digital TV (DTV). The Advanced Television Systems Committee (ATSC) standard will now be used instead of the National Television System Committee (NTSC). This really has little (if anything) to do with pricing. If you want it high-definition, then you can fork out the money.

  109. I'll do it by eples · · Score: 1

    I'll do it - and I'll unplug my ReplayTv as well.

    The weather is going to be BEAUTIFUL out next week.
    I might even forget to plug it all back in.

    --
    I'm a 2000 man.
  110. Why is the TV the hated appliance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why no turn off your refrigerator week? I can stare at that damn light for hours.

  111. Horrible name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    National TV Turn Off Week

    Linguo: Bad... grammar... overload. Error! Error!

  112. When is turn off slashdot day? by uberTr011 · · Score: 0

    I feel like: this

    1. Re:When is turn off slashdot day? by MCZapf · · Score: 1

      For me it was April 1. What a waste of time Slashdot was on that day.

  113. It might work by interociter · · Score: 1

    See, I'm moving, and I won't have cable hooked up at the new place for at least a week. I know, I'm obeying the law but not the spirit.

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    Interociter
    -=What do I want? I'm an American. I want more.
  114. mythtv by bstil · · Score: 1

    the CNN article mentions SnapStream software for $60...

    What about MythTV?? for free!

  115. But we've turned it off starting this week! by DeVilla · · Score: 1

    Now my family won't have inthing special to do for the holiday week. I guess we need to turn the TV back on for now so it will mean something then.

    Seriously though, I was hoping this was more of a boycott movement over the bad programming, overpriced networks, program length commercials and useless channels we are overwhelmed with. Ya ya, health is nice. But even us gluttons have reason to rebel.

    Oh, and I was being serious about turning it off starting this week. TV has been right awful for quite some time now and we didn't feel the need to turn our children's brains to mush for it. My three year old son likes TV, but even he doesn't want his brain to turn to mush. I don't think he even knows what his brain is yet.

  116. News from the future by utarif · · Score: 2, Funny

    In the third week of januaray 2004, it's reported that there is an unusual increase in % child birth...

  117. 2004 is the year of... by heironymouscoward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... turning off your TV?

    I cancelled my TV subscription when I moved house about 4 years ago, and have resisted getting a TV in ouir new home. My wife took about 3 months to adapt, but survived. I rediscovered my evenings.

    TV is very close to a drug. I guess it provides many people with a virtual social exposure with no interaction: sitting still, getting bombarded with faces and voices is kind of bizarre when you think of it. Since program makers can't increase the amount consumed (limited hours in a day), they increase the dose by making TV ever more intense.

    Turning of my TV was hard, very much like stopping drinking coffee or alcohol, but worthwhile for me.

    --
    Ceci n'est pas une signature
    1. Re:2004 is the year of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      TV is very close to a drug.

      I don't mind people bragging about how little TV they watch (and how happy and fulfilled it has made them, blah, blah, blah...), but when you start spouting this kind of drivel ... give me a break.

      Are sports drugs too? Tell a bunch of fans you've just bought their favorite team and you're moving it to Dipshitville because they're going to build you a better stadium there. Then run for your life.

      People get a lot more worked up over many things besides television. Not everything people feel strongly about and/or do by habit is "just like a drug, man."

    2. Re:2004 is the year of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      TV is very close to a drug.
      So true. I lost a summer to MTV dainbramage: goto work, goto home, turn on EmptyV and veg for 3-4 hours. I finally stopped watching that pile of crap when I heard about the bad wildfires in Yosemite about a week after they started and realized I had totally lost track of the world. Yes, MTV is particularly devoid of content, compared to the rest of TV, but the principle generalizes.

      As far as turn off the TV for a week goes, I'm waiting for my last TV show (Angel) to go off the air in five weeks and then I'm cancelling my cable and turning the box off forever.
  118. Re:Slashdotting....or slashdot.not? by tomhudson · · Score: 1
    I'd probably get more done if I had a turn-off slashdot week.
    Nah, we'd (or at leat I'd) just end up spending more time in the newsgroups :)
  119. Iron Chef America by Paulrothrock · · Score: 1

    If these idiots think I'm going to miss Iron Chef America: Battle of the Masters for their little protest, they've got another thing coming.

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    I'm in the hole of the broadband donut.
    1. Re:Iron Chef America by mabu · · Score: 1

      If these idiots think I'm going to miss Iron Chef America: Battle of the Masters for their little protest, they've got another thing coming.

      I don't mean to be a spoiler but I heard the theme ingredient for the battle is "cheese."

    2. Re:Iron Chef America by niusj · · Score: 1

      American Cheese?

    3. Re:Iron Chef America by mabu · · Score: 1

      American Cheese?

      I'm not sure whether it's American. I think the second battle is American "ham" though.

  120. Haven't had cable in 3 years... by DysonSphere · · Score: 1

    ...and no plans to get it. Life is definately richer. The only things I kinda miss are the Simpsons, a few things on the Discovery or History channels, and the News. I usually read the news in the paper and on the web. The Simpsons episodes will eventually be out on DVD...

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    Mommy. What's a karma whore?
  121. What about the children? by exark237 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't think that the idea behind this is to stop adults from watching TV for a week. Adults should already be aware that there is more to life than TV and if they arent, that's just sad. I honestly think it's too late for the current generation of adults. Sure, it may help to change a few people's minds, but I dont think it will have a tremendous effect.

    I beleive the main idea of TV Turn Off Week is to get the next generation, the kids in elemntary and middle school to pry their eyes away from the television and read or play outside or do something that requires thought. I'm a Freshman in High School and am absolutely astonished as to how many kids in my class watch more than 5 hours of TV a day. That's why I'm teaching elemantary students in my school district about Media Literacy and encouraging them to participate in TV Turn Off Week.

    Perhaps if we get children thinking now, we won't have as many apathetic, ignorant burn outs by the time they reach my age.

    --
    God is a comedian playing to an audience to afraid to laugh - Voltaire
  122. I think you've got it backwards by GuyMannDude · · Score: 1

    How the hell can the kids have a hope at reducing viewing, or dumping TV altogether, when the adults around them come up with excuses to not give up the idiot box for just one damn week?

    Actually, I think that kids should be much better at turning off TV then adults. First of all, adults have settled into TV habits that they have formed over the course of decades. A lot of times people just watch TV because they have some gut feeling that that's what "they are supposed to do." Second, adults are pretty tired by the end of the day. Even if your job entails just sitting on your duff and typing on a computer all day, it's not unusual to come home and want to do nothing for a few hours. Kids, on the other hand, have tons of energy. It's really a waste for them to watch TV because they have the ability to do so much more.

    So I disagree with your claim that somehow adults ought to be better about reducing their TV than kids. Quite frankly, I think kids ought to be very good at giving up TV, provided someone gives them some ideas how to use their time and energy.

    GMD

    1. Re:I think you've got it backwards by gantrep · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I stopped watching television entirely from November 2001 until September 2003. I still watch very little, but I'm at college now and have a roommate, and sometimes it's fun to watch it with him.

      I guess I would say that by the time I had quit watching tv, I had probably settled into what would have been my "adult" pattern of watching television.

      It was especially difficult to give it up for me because I was very badly addicted. I watched tv from when I got home from school until around midnight. I did homework and ate while I sat in front of the tube. I realized this was terrible so I gave it up cold turkey. No exceptions for Simpsons or any other favorite shows.

      The act of sitting in front of a tv and grabbing the remote was an automatic motion and it was very strange to keep doing that and then remembering that I don't even watch tv anymore. You're right indeed that it felt very strange for a while. It did feel like that's what I was "supposed to do." Eerie.

      Giving it up for a time though very very definately has permanently changed the way I watch TV. I can't watch TV by myself without feeling pathetic(rightfully). The amount of time I spend watching it has been greatly reduced and how engrossed I get in it has changed dramatically. It's so creepy the way that some people can't have any distractions when they watch tv. If I'm watching with my sister and try to make some comment about the show, she'll shush me for distracting her.

      The strangest thing is how it was actually difficult to START watching tv. TV is ACTUALLY EXTREMELY STRANGE. This is obvious of course, but why doesn't that bother you? It's disorienting, fragmented, most shows change camera perspectives every few seconds. Commercials are even worse. Everything looks fake, you notice people's makeup, you notice the strange way studio lighting falls on a set, not like a real house or apartment, there are only a few voiceover people that do a lot of commercials, etc etc.

      These things I noticed not by watching a lot of tv, but by viewing it with fresh eyes. TV was actually quite creepy when I came back to it. Even creepier is how quickly I'm getting used to it again.

  123. Re:Moderators are idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually the majority consider gay marriage to be bad and I don't really understand how you think it can be beneficial to families?

  124. What does it matter? by DroopyStonx · · Score: 1

    Has anyone actually sat down and thought about how pointless this is?

    I don't understand why they'd care who watches TV or not, as if it's bad for you. This sounds like a bunch of old geezers who still believe that TV "rots your brain" sitting around a table trying to get people to listen to them.

    It's entertainment, like anything else. What are the alternatives? Pick up a book and read it? Go out for a walk? What concern is it of theirs what I do in my spare time?

    Why not have something more important and relevant, like Do Not Smoke Week or Do 10 Good Things for People Week.

    --
    We have secretly replaced these Slashdot mods' sense of humor with a rusty nail. Let's see if they notice!!
    1. Re:What does it matter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not to mention you get a bunch of morons clamoring about "oooh i don't have cable anymore!!" or "oooh i'm so much better than the rest of you because i choose to NOT WATCH TV!". wow, great! guess what? go fuck yourself because no one really cares.

  125. TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't have a television this big to NOT watch it. If people are worried about their children being affected by television, then maybe they should participate in more positive, out-of-home activities with them. It seems a major problem is that parents want to let the television babysit their children, and then when the children age, they are adapted to the television lifestyle.

    I believe that this is the major issue here. Another issue is actually the opposition of homosexual marriages, as I noted someone oppose it, though I could not tell if it was sarcastic or serious as it was an unjustified, last-line statement. If homosexuals want to marry one another, then they should be allowed this freedom for several major reasons:
    1.) Their obligatory marriage is highly likely to end in divorce, potentially splitting up a family that may have been inappropriately started.
    2.) There may be a violent relationship if a homosexual is married to someone of the opposite sex, because they may not be truely happy.
    3.) There is no reason to restrict the lifestyle of another person based on their sexual preference. If that is the way someone chooses to live their life, then they should be allowed to do so.
    4.) Because of the lack of happiness in a "heterosexual marriage", the homosexual partner may live their life more maliciously, violently lashing out against people through internal anger, or may keep their feelings trapped inside and eventually get pushed "over the edge," and do something he/she will ultimately regret.

  126. DirecTV by PDG · · Score: 1

    Well, it appears that DirecTV felt the same way about TV so they shut off the HU stream.

    No more free tv for lots and lots.

    --
    "Where is my mind?"
  127. Never had a TV by Animats · · Score: 1

    After 30 years without a TV, I just can't get into it. Too many commercials. Movie rental is fine, but TV is just too irritating.

    1. Re:Never had a TV by linuxrunner · · Score: 1

      AAAHHHHH

      Someone quick!!! Get this man his Bender fix.... and teach him what "Bite my shiny metal ass!" means...

      Trust me, you'll never be the same... the same... the same....

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      www.slightlycrewed.com - Because aren't we all?
    2. Re:Never had a TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After 30 years without a TV, I just can't get into it. Too many commercials. Movie rental is fine

      Ok, I'll bite. If you don't have a TV, how do you watch your rented videos? Do you just place them on a coffee table and 'watch' them? Granted, that would be more entertaining than the majority of major movie releases, but still....

    3. Re:Never had a TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, I'll bite. If you don't have a TV, how do you watch your rented videos?

      A computer with a DVD drive is fine if you have a small room or big monitor. This seems to be the standard method for people living in a university residence, though I hope a person over 30 has better living quarters than that...

    4. Re:Never had a TV by Animats · · Score: 1
      I have a Panasonic monitor that doesn't have a tuner, and a DVD player that doesn't have a tuner. Works fine.

      I just don't see what's so compelling about broadcast TV. I see it at the gym and in hotels, but after ten minutes, I've lost interest. Most of the content is boring, and the commercial interruptions are too annoying. I can't imagine how anybody with a working brain could watch several hours per day of that stuff. Even Slashdot is more interesting.

  128. Mod this up to prevent flamewar. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (54)T-Dub, that crack about gay marriage really did not come across as sarcasm.

    Winking while typing just doesn't work, you have to be in person. ;)

    1. Re:Mod this up to prevent flamewar. by glsunder · · Score: 1

      that was such a sarcastic statement that it'd be hard to be more sarcastic short of labeling it as such.

    2. Re:Mod this up to prevent flamewar. by (54)T-Dub · · Score: 1

      Yes I know, my humor is so dry that quite often people don't even know I'm being sarcastic while they are looking at me. It gets worse when I'm dealing with people who don't know my politcal beliefs over an impersonal medium .... guess I'm paying the karma price now though ;-)

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      "I can not bring myself to believe that if knowledge presents danger, the solution is ignorance" - Isaac Asimov
  129. Random fact by fdobbie · · Score: 1

    One of their leaflets was used as the subject matter for one of the GCSE English papers a few years ago. (GCSEs are national exams taken by all 16 year-olds here in the UK, after which they may either leave school or continue on to further education.)

  130. Does this count? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What if I don't actually watch any TV shows, but spend my customary 30 hours a day on the GameCube?

  131. TV Turn Off Week is Computer Turn On Week by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Computers are far more mentally stimulating than television. A computer allows one to, through creative processes, mold a custom and parallel "virtual existence;" computers are especially engaging and educational for those who program or design in some capacity.

    But you'll still get fat.

  132. It's national Turn Off The Shower Week! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well that's the excuse I use if anyone mentions the smell.

  133. What's the point? by jamonterrell · · Score: 1

    This is, in my opinion, a stupid cause looking to solve a problem that doesn't exist. Why bother protesting TV by not watching?

    1.) Your TV time may be reduced permanently? If I want to watch less television, I will You don't have to stop watching for a week to make a plan to stop watching as much and stick to it.
    2.) TV may cause ADD in children. Excellent point, let's make movement then to only allow children to watch a set amount of television on a weekly basis. Get government behind it to mandate television manufacturers allow restrictions be placed on the amount of television watched by using a passcode system or just give the children a special remote and have the hours tracked that way. Let the parents of course choose how many hours per week they're allowed. Remember, shutting your television off for a week isn't going to make anyone else a better parent, some people just make bad parents.
    3.) Less TV time means kids ask for fewer toys. See #2.
    4.) Kids gain weight by wathcing mroe TV. See #2.
    5.) Kids spend more time watching TV than studying. See #2, be a good parent, enforce restrictions.
    6.) TV news alienates kids, lacks details. This one is just silly, the site complains that the kids are staying up on national events and that kids complain the news lacks details and they want more information. So the TV not only teaches about hte current events, it inspires them to do independent research... how is this bad?
    7.) Kids absorb and mimic televised violence. See #2, give the parents the tools to limit what their children watch. If the parents don't care to limit it, they have bigger problems than just what they're watching, they have parents who don't care... lots more risks invovled in that.
    8.) Television and Childhood Injuries: Is There A Connection? -- Their argument here is that because the children watch TV their reaction time, etc is impaired and it causes them to get hurt more often. My answer: Let's compare the number of injuries sustained while playing on a playground or in a park or any team sport to those sustained while watching television. I rest my case. Kids get hurt, there are a lot more dangerous things that are OKAY for kids but TV is bad because it's been linked VERY INDIRECTLY by one study to making children more accident prone? Here's an idea, make them play some video games to get their reaction speed and coordination up... or wait, is that against the rules too?
    9.) TV Re-inforces sex roles and stereotyping -- TV doesn't re-inforce sex roles and stereotyping, sex roles and stereotyping re-inforces sex roles and stereotyping. Again, go to the government, mandate a 'sex roels and stereotyping' flag just like the other codes used to rate TV and films and then go back to answer #2, and set limits on what you and your children watch.
    10.) Less TV means less aggression. *SIGH*I Grow tired of the "GUNS KILL PEOPLE" approach. more AGGRESSION means more AGGRESSION. Set limits on your television or stop watching it. Talk to your children, explain violence is not okay.

    Alright enough of this. my point: TV IS Technology. It is not the problem. Turning it off is not going to solve any of your problems except maybe lowering your power bill and disabling your babysitter long enough that you maybe TALK TO YOUR CHILDREN.

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    I can count to 1023 on my hands. Ask me about #132.
  134. Bad statistics by yttrbium · · Score: 1

    I hate statistics like this. Which way does the correlation go?

    Does participating in this mean you are going to watch less TV?

    Or do people that have the guts to stick through this tend to not watch as much TV anyway? People who can't go a week without TV aren't going to reduce their habits.

  135. I barely watch TV anyway by monopole · · Score: 1

    I watch about 3 hours of 'Live TV' (actually recorded on my PVR) every week (CSI's and Angel) w/ the number about to drop to 2 (after Angel ends). I watch 1 episode of Anime each day (25 min) and a movie on Friday (1.5-2hr). During the summer I don't watch regular TV at all (short of the occasional History Channel documentary). At the end of summer I have the cognitive dissonance of remembering that some TV programs are not in Japanese.
    TV has really hit the tipping point in which there is no worthwhile programming coming from American sources. My 'Home Theater' is just that, a place to watch movies because my schedule makes going to a theater impossible.

  136. Thanks for reminding me! by travisbecker · · Score: 1

    I need to go check the listings for next week to see what to watch & tape. Let's see... new episodes of Smallville, NYPD Blue, Touching Evil, ER (tho I wish they'd just kill that show off already)... Wonderfalls is gone (bummer)... not to mention A's and Giants games next week.

    What's that? You want me to turn the TV off??? Yeah right.

    Travis

  137. What about watching when you feel like it... by globalar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If /. was somehow TV-based (I'm stretching, just follow), I would be on a lot more. Better for your mind you say? We can debate that, on /. of course.

    Some people like Friends. I sometimes take a moment to wonder why. Of course, I'm sure they've been wondering what the hell I'm doing reading this website about "news for nerds" all the time. To each his own.

    What's important is that you make the choice, not the companies that run television and that you make the right choice (i.e. don't give up more important things for TV like kids).

    1. Re:What about watching when you feel like it... by Colazar · · Score: 2, Funny
      Some people like Friends. I sometimes take a moment to wonder why.

      Years ago, my mother was visiting my wife and me. We don't generally watch much TV, but it was Babylon 5 night, so she watched it with us, companionably. She claimed to enjoy it.

      Then later that week, Friends was on (I think in its first season, since I had never heard of it before), and she made us watch it, saying

      "You should watch this show! These people are like you."

      I still have no idea what she meant by that. But I guess those are the people who watch Friends...people who are *just like them*. (Or who think their kids are just like them.)

      Of course, this is the same woman who said to me, "I watched that Brazil movie you were talking about, and I was wondering...are you depressed?"

      --
      He decided to just watch the government, and kind of scale it down to size, and run his life that way. --Laurie Anderson
  138. can't post right now...

    watching TV... :)

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  139. Here's what you'll miss during that week.. by mabu · · Score: 4, Funny

    For those that participate and manage to deprive themselves of their precious idiot box programming, let me bring you up to speed on what you'll be missing:

    * Soaps: Wife secretly sleeps with husband's brother who's being blackmailed by their chauffer who is actually a ... DID YOU KNOW NORTHERN BATH TISSUE IS THE SOFTEST?

    * Talk Shows: All this week: Crack Whore Makeovers on Jenny Jones, plus a special appearance by... AMAZING NEW WEIGHT LOSS PILL!

    * Survivor: This week contestants swim through shark-infested waters with dead fish in their mouths; winner receives one sock and... TRY NEW CREST CHEESECAKE-FLAVORED TOOTHPASTE!

    * Saturday Night Live: Woman with nice boobs hosts; cast members create skits so they can cop a feel; musical guest... THE NEW NISSAN XTERRA HAS A V8 AND FIVE (YES FIVE) CUPHOLDERS!

    * News: War going bad; war going good; one guy says other guy will tax everyone into poor house; some dude in Peoria is suing Wal-Mart for $5B for... ISN'T IT TIME YOU TRIED VIAGRA?

    * American Chopper: Paul Sr. continues to abuse Paul Jr.; Mikey explodes after all-night twinkie binge; OCC scapes the bottom of the barrel looking for politically-correct bike themes with their new chopper commemmorating the lawyers who set up the 911 Red Cross fund. Special appearance by... HALLIBURTON.. SUPPORTING OUR TROOPS.

    * Monster House: Team of dysfunctional contractors install a 12' bong and jacuzzi filled with Patchoulli in new "Hippie House"; owners are stunned when they peek in and discover... CHEVY, AMERICA'S TRUCK

    * Talk Shows: Jay Leno's special guest: Billy Bob Thorton; tonite on Conan: Billy Bob Thorton; tonite on Late Night: Billy Bob Thorton. Check out Billy Bob's new movie about... HIENEKEN BEER - IT'S ALL ABOUT THE BEER

    1. Re:Here's what you'll miss during that week.. by activesynapsis · · Score: 1
      Oh my god... all my co-workers are now peeking into my cubicle wondering why I'm laughing so hard and crying.

      You just made my day, man.

    2. Re:Here's what you'll miss during that week.. by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      You missed the only thing that I care about:
      * Enterprise: We finally found out how the crew of a spaceship 100 years ahead of us does with very little technology left after a battle...I'd insert an advert here but I time shift EVERYTHING now even though I don't own a TIVO and am stuck with crappy VCRs and I never watch the blipverts anyway.

      --
      SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
    3. Re:Here's what you'll miss during that week.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course the Internet is SO much better in this regard. No pop up ads or scumware or anything like that!

    4. Re:Here's what you'll miss during that week.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, so that's why my co-workers were laughing ten minutes ago....

    5. Re:Here's what you'll miss during that week.. by Mikeydude750 · · Score: 1, Informative

      At least you can more effectively deal with it(using Mozilla...haven't seen a popup in almost a year now

  140. Oh no... by arvindn · · Score: 4, Funny

    CHAPEL HILL, NC--Area resident Jonathan Green does not own a television, a fact he repeatedly points out to friends, family, and coworkers--as well as to his mailman, neighborhood convenience-store clerks, and the man who cleans the hallways in his apartment building.

    "I, personally, would rather spend my time doing something useful than watch television," Green told a random woman Monday at the Suds 'N' Duds Laundromat, noticing the establishment's wall-mounted TV. "I don't even own one."

    According to Melinda Elkins, a coworker of Green's at The Frame Job, a Chapel Hill picture-frame shop, Green steers the conversation toward television whenever possible, just so he can mention not owning one.

    "A few days ago, [store manager] Annette [Haig] was saying her new contacts were bothering her," Elkins said. "The second she said that, I knew Jonathan would pounce. He was like, 'I didn't know you had contacts, Annette. Are your eyes bad? That a shame. I'm really lucky to have almost perfect vision. I'm guessing it's because I don't watch TV. In fact, I don't even own one."

    According to Elkins, "idiot box" is Green's favorite derogatory term for television.

    "He uses that one a lot," she said. "But he's got other ones, too, like 'boob tube' and 'electronic babysitter.'"

    Elkins said Green always makes sure to read the copies of Entertainment Weekly and People lying around the shop's break room, "just so he can point out all the stars and shows he's never heard of."

    "Last week, in one of the magazines, there was a picture of Calista Flockhart," Elkins said, "and Jonathan announced, 'I have absolutely no idea who this woman is. Calista who? Am I supposed to have heard of her? I'm sorry, but I haven't.'"

    Tony Gerela, who lives in the apartment directly below Green's and occasionally chats with the 37-year-old by the mailboxes, is well aware of his neighbor's disdain for television.

    "About a week after I met him, we were talking, and I made some kind of Simpsons reference," Gerela said. "He asked me what I was talking about, and when I told him it was from a TV show, he just went off, saying how the last show he watched was some episode of Cheers, and even then, he could only watch for about two minutes before having to shut it off because it insulted his intelligence so terribly."

    Added Gerela: "Once, I made the mistake of saying I saw something on the news, and he started in with, 'Saw the news? I don't know about you, but I read the news."

    Green has lived without television since 1989, when his then-girlfriend moved out and took her set with her.

    "When Claudia went, the TV went with her," Green said. "But instead of just going out and buying another one--which I certainly could have afforded, that wasn't the issue--I decided to stand up to the glass teat."

    "I'm not an elitist," Green said. "It's just that I'd much rather sculpt or write in my journal or read Proust than sit there passively staring at some phosphorescent screen."

    "If I need a fix of passive audio-visual stimulation, I'll go to catch a Bergman or Truffaut film down at the university," Green said. "I certainly wouldn't waste my time watching the so-called Learning Channel or, God forbid, any of the mind sewage the major networks pump out."

    Continued Green: "People don't realize just how much time their TV-watching habit--or, shall I say, addiction--eats up. Four hours of television a day, over the course of a month, adds up to 120 hours. That's five entire days! Why not spend that time living your own life, instead of watching fictional people live theirs? I can't begin to tell you how happy I am not to own a television."

    Source: http://www.theonion.com/onion3604/doesnt_own_telev ision.html

  141. Do alternative uses of TV count? by Ra5pu7in · · Score: 1

    I can't tell you the last time I watch TV (or cable) programming. I do use my TV for video gaming and watching anime from DVDs. Technically, I can say I don't watch TV, but I'm sure as anything not going to give up my games and anime. :P

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    I was taking one day at a time, but then several days got together and ambushed me. (from a Rhymes with Orange comic)
  142. I agree by Natedog · · Score: 1

    We haven't had cable for ~2 years. We still have a small TV (by todays standards) and watch movies (netflix) and old simpsons episodes, but on average this ends up being 1 hr a day (one movie every couple days).

    The the remaining free time I climb, brew beer, read, clean, etc.

    Not trying to be self-righteous, but now that I think about it....how did I *ever* have the time to watch +3 hrs a day of TV?

    Seriously, try disconnecting the cable for a year. Its hard for the first 6 months, but then you lose all interested in the current programming (I have no idea what's playing and don't care). Get your news on line or on the radio in the car.

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    1. Re:I agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Seriously, try disconnecting the cable for a year. Its hard for the first 6 months, but then you lose all interested in the current programming"

      Lots of people do this same thing, at a certain age, with Top 40 radio (or whatever they call that format these days).

      Of course when you do that, which is exactly equivalent, every youngster around calls you "out of touch".

  143. burn books! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "For those that participate and manage to deprive themselves of their precious idiot box programming, let me bring you up to speed on what you'll be missing"

    If you choose to, you can come up with examples of printed works at least as bad as the "worst of TV" you chose to list.

    Have you burned your books yet?

  144. Not going to happen for me! by antdude · · Score: 1

    I have 24 (episode 18 this Sunday night because of Bush's speech last Tuesday night -- see http://www.fox.com/24/), Alias, The Simpsons, Smallville, and Star Trek: Enterprise. :(

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  145. This would make a great reality show by GodWasAnAlien · · Score: 1

    This is probably what a few addicts are thinking.
    What is Apprentice?
    Actually I never saw Surviver. Did he make it?
    The last reality show that I saw was the Real World in San Francisco.

  146. Last night, I watched with my kids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I watched an episode of Nova that we taped a couple of weeks ago. My wife watched an episode of Mythbusters with them. My kids are getting examples of how the scientific method actually works, and having a great time. This morning my older son was playing with his home-made electromagnet.

    1. Re:Last night, I watched with my kids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're saying TV has turned your family into nerds?

      You've frightened me into turning off the TV, and I thank you sir.

  147. What about Stanley Cup Hockey!?!? by deviantonline · · Score: 2, Informative

    I cant turn it off this week because there is too much hockey to watch! Maybe Im just a hoser, but Hockey Night In Canada is just too important to me!

    1. Re:What about Stanley Cup Hockey!?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Roger that brother!!!! No hockey for a week, during the playoffs, fuck that!!!! Hoser or not, there is no way I will be passing on the playoffs.

      Watch out leaf fans, your blue and white are more black and blue, dropping like flies, and the Sens just keep getting stronger. If we can get one on Eddie the Alcholic, your done like a 40 of scotch in his equipment bag!!!!! GO SENS GO!!!

    2. Re:What about Stanley Cup Hockey!?!? by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

      I think the standard reponse from these NO TV people would be: Go see the game at the arena.

  148. Re:Moderators are idiots by xaoslaad · · Score: 1

    What's it going to hurt? If a gay couple treat their significant others the way that they would want, then it's a far closer thing to marriage than what is practiced between men and women in some parts of the world; and even here in the united states for that matter.

    Besides we do not discriminate against any other group in the United States (in theory); why start/countinue now?

    I'm not gay and as such don't particularly give a **** what they do as long as it does not hinder my pursuit of happiness. And if you really feel the need to hate people like I do, hate everyone equally.

  149. This is well timed... by SataiCam · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...since it's also National Library Week.

  150. Self-selected group of participants by ewg · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm all for turning off the TV, but I think the 90% figure is misleading.

    People who participate in this event have probably already decided or at least desired to reduce their television viewing, and are merely using this as a catalyst. They are self-selected: you couldn't expect a 90% success rate with a random group.

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  151. How to cut viewing by 80% by snarkasaurus · · Score: 1

    Just don't watch re-runs. I only watch three or four shows anyway, refusing to watch re-runs cuts even that down tremendously. ~:D

  152. Marriage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Subject says it all.

    1. Re:Marriage? by ValentineMSmith · · Score: 1

      Nope. Girlfriend. Wives cost a A LOT more than $50 per month. Trust me on this one.

      --
      Karma: Chameleon - mostly influenced by bad '80s New Wave music
    2. Re:Marriage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You get away with $50 per month in your marriage?

      Reveal your secrets, man!

  153. Great alternative pastimes ... by Ra5pu7in · · Score: 1

    ... telling everyone how you are participating in this ... attending TAA (television addicts anonymous) meetings ... pushing buttons on the remote without turning the TV on ... downloading and watching the programming you're missing on the computer (it's not "TV") ... posting on /. about how stupid this whole thing is ... posting on /. about how needed this is ... twitching and developing other obsessive-compulsive behaviors

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    I was taking one day at a time, but then several days got together and ambushed me. (from a Rhymes with Orange comic)
  154. Wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I didn't watch any TV last week, either.

    1. Re:Wrong. by dmorin · · Score: 1

      So either you don't have a tv to turn off, in which case you are not in the relevant audience, or else you have a tv that you do not use, in which case you wasted your money on the thing. :)

  155. TV as a social tool by bug-eyed+monster · · Score: 1

    I think a lot of the TV viewing habits come simply from the "water-cooler" effect. At work or at the pub, we hear our peers talking about this and that show and we feel the need to watch the same shows in order to not get left out, same goes with movies etc. One way to watch less TV is to hang out with people who watch less of it too.

  156. Down with TV, in with computer... by paranode · · Score: 1

    Compare those statistics with computer usage over the last years and you might be surprised how fast things are keeping up. Before you say, "Well the computer can be used for educational purposes", so can TV. There are more than just reality shows on. The Internet doesn't hide children from violent crimes either, in fact it has no censorship AT ALL. Children can access anything once they learn how to use the browser... porn, violence, the Anarchist's Cookbook, you name it. Sure there is software to prevent it, but there's also monitoring your children and a little thing called the VChip.

    The world is changing and the omnipresent media shows it to us with little filtration. Don't blame TV for kids seeing bad things, blame the parents' lack of involvement and monitoring.

    1. Re:Down with TV, in with computer... by (54)T-Dub · · Score: 1

      I don't blame T.V. just like I don't blame guns for violence.
      It's the obsession with watching T.V. and the criminal using the gun that I blame.

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      "I can not bring myself to believe that if knowledge presents danger, the solution is ignorance" - Isaac Asimov
  157. why not a be more personally responsible week? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why do we need to watch less tv? just for the sake of watching less? are there any known direct harm done by watching too much tv?

    what we need is a "be more personally responsible" week. if i decide to watch a lot of tv but also accept any possible negative consequences of such action, i don't see the problem with watching a lot of tv.

    i believe many problems in the US can be deal with effectively if we held ourselves to be more responsible instead of spreading blames to genetics, fastfood chains, TVs, etc.

  158. I propose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I propose that this week also be "National Turn Off Your Computer Week." I'll go first.

    :: walks over to server farm. Unplugs it. ::

    :: whistles a merry tune as the sound of wailing and teeth-gnashing fills the air. ::
    :: walks back to desk. Unplugs *&#^*@sd---[NO CARRIER]

  159. Does this count? by hords · · Score: 1

    Does a projector count as a TV? I don't own a "TV" anymore. Not that it really matters since I haven't watched anything except DVDs in the last 3 weeks.

    I thought Lemmings was just a video game, now it appears it is a reality show.

  160. National No News Slashdot Week by TypoNAM · · Score: 1

    Now we just need a National No News Slashdot week and I'll might actually get work done. How many people would die from not reading slashdot for a whole week? Maybe it should be a slashdot poll! :)

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  161. Here comes the pseudoscience... by tsg · · Score: 1
    From their Research Page"

    "TV viewing makes adult men fatter."

    But if you read the study:
    "The present findings indicate that duration of daily television viewing is strongly associated with obesity and super-obesity in adult males, as in children."


    Notice it says "associated with" and not "causes". Maybe this can explain it:
    "...Non-obese men... prefer other pastimes, since most leisure activities require more physical exertion than television watching."

    Well, duh. They like to watch television because they're fat. Not the other way around. It hardly supports "TV viewing makes adult men fatter." TV viewing just doesn't make them thinner.

    And this: "Watch less TV; prevent violent acts."

    But from the study on their own web page:

    "One of the major risk factors for interpersonal youth violence appears to be a history of heavy television viewing, particularly the viewing of televised violence..."


    Again, correlation but not necessarily causation. Maybe violent kids are attracted to violent television programs.
    However, no studies to date have examined the possibility that reduction in time spent viewing television will alter the frequency of violent or aggressive behavior.

    So no studies before this one have actually determined that watching less TV reduces violent behavior, the results of this study are not on the web page, and the study doesn't show up anywhere in a Google search except on their web page. Some proof.
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  162. ObOnionStory... by cain · · Score: 1

    ...can be found here.

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    Cain.

  163. Am I the only one? by kabocox · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one that watches TV only when visiting family? I never watch live TV now. I watch TV 5-6 times a year depending on how often I visit my mother-in-law or my mom.
    At home, I play PS, read, and play PC games. O.k. I also run around after my kids making sure they don't things to get me in trouble with the wife such as spilling baby oil infront of every doorway in the house.

  164. Worst timing ever... by PHPee · · Score: 1

    I usually don't watch a lot of tv, or at least I didn't until last night. I just got a new satellite dish, with so many channels I don't know what to do with them all. Today's my last day at work, and I'm off next week, so I was planning a week-long tv-watching marathon, watching nothing but movies, sports, Chinese newscasts, home shopping channels, cartoons, infomercials, Hungarian soap operas and maybe even a little bit of porn...

    1. Re:Worst timing ever... by Nosf3ratu · · Score: 1

      Quoting:
      I usually don't watch a lot of tv, or at least I didn't until last night. I just got a new satellite dish, with so many channels I don't know what to do with them all. Today's my last day at work, and I'm off next week, so I was planning a week-long porn marathon, watching nothing but porn, and maybe even a little bit of sports, Chinese newscasts, home shopping channels, cartoons, infomercials, Hungarian soap operas...

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  165. Tivo by Gyorg_Lavode · · Score: 1

    Give up TV for a week? Sounds like a great reason to finally buy a Tivo or build a MythTV box. Or buy a new computer game. Or not feel guilty about spending more time on the internet.

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    I do security
  166. Obviously an Ameican-only event by brunes69 · · Score: 1

    If they expect anyone in Canada to go along with this they sure didn't plan it well.

    TV turn off during the NHL playoffs? Give me a break!

  167. I like TV by squarooticus · · Score: 1

    I can't say I much enjoy many of the popular programs (The Apprentice, American Idol, Friends, etc.), but I do relish certain programs like MythBusters, The Simpsons (well, reruns of older episodes, at least), Family Guy, Frasier, Futurama, and The Sopranos. (And, of course, Yankees games.) It's not about being proud of watching TV: I am neither proud nor ashamed of it. I simply like certain programs, and am not going to stop watching them because some sanctimonious, teetotaling, neo-prohibitionist, self-denial-is-good crowd has decided that TV Is Bad(TM) along with lots of other things.

    You know what? I like beer. I like farting. I like trucks, and (gasp!) SUV's. I like Slashdot (which, incidentally, seems much less intellectual than your average 2003 episode of The Simpsons). And I fucking like TV. If you don't like it, don't watch it: I don't judge you as stupid simply because you don't like TV. But don't tell me I'm somehow missing out on life or an inferior bag of mostly water because I spend an average of 2 hours a day watching TV. I know what I like better than you do, and watching TV is a welcome respite from work, home renovations, and ice hockey.

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  168. But, gosh... by Osiris+Ani · · Score: 1
    ...I just bought a Hitachi 51S500 (which was delivered this morning; I'm still oooh-ing and aaaah-ing, despite it's not being plasma, DLP, or LCD) because I neeeeeded it. If I don't watch it, what's the point? [incredulous] Gah! That... just... doesn't even seem practical. *twitch*

    Now if you'll excuse me, I've spent far too much time not looking directly at the TV. It gets angry when I only watch it out of the corner of my eye.

    --
    "Sit in the snow with Daddy and let us all bask in television's warm, glowing warming glow."
    - Homer Simpson

  169. Something to do instead by hndrcks · · Score: 1

    Next week is also National Astronomy Week, with National Astronomy Day scheduled for Saturday, April 24th. Dust off those old scopes and binocs and get outside!

    --
    Everyone will start to cheer when you put on your sailin' shoes.
  170. Been without a tv since december ... :-/ by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 1

    Didn't decided to do without one ... my computer with the tuner card broke, and since I didn't have a regular tv and just a laptop for spare, I didn't have much choice but not watch tv. Then I forgot to bother fixing the computer.

    I miss it, but mostly when I'm bored out of my skull. Yes, I've read some more books, but I doubt I wouldn't have read them if I still had tv.

    Sure, it could be great watching Friends again (we're way behind here in Denmark), but it's not like I'll die if I don't.

    Some people say "well, now I have more spare time to do more meaningfull stuff!" Yeah - like what? Read books? Did that. Now I'm out of unread books at home and the local library only has technical books :-). Get some exercise? Yeah - right! Like that's ever going to happen. And besides - what's on tv between five and six pm? Childrens shows?

    Then there are saturday nights. These are exactly like they were before my tv went out. Saturday night has to be THE!!! crappiest night of the week when it comes to television. "Night of the Living Hollistic Hair Dressers". Reality shows about boring regular people put in extremely unreal situations. They are roughly as realistic as the textures in Commander Keen (but that's just one mans oppinion). Sure - it might be fun to see wether or not Sheila manages to convince Kurt to have sex with her even though they're stuck on a deserted island (never mind the television crew), that Kurt's girlfriend is on another deserted island (never mind the television crew) where she's busy fending off more dick that you see in two weeks of alt.binary.* posts, all the while trying to see if they can manage to eat the eyes out of a live tarantula, who has (just for the occasion) been dressed in a fabulous sweater by Dior, trousers by le Pen and eye liner by L'Oreal all done by the Fabulous Five. Hope I didn't leave out any reality shows.

    I do miss tv. I also miss having sex. And they aren't related as far as I know.

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    We do not live in the 21st century. We live in the 20 second century.
  171. Just enough to pass the time by euphorik_ · · Score: 1

    I just recently moved into a new apartment. When I did, I chose to get only the basic cable service. That is, the $9 package (first 15 channels, plus some of the 70's). I previously had the UberPackage (dvr's, every movie channel, etc). Since I work close to my home, I eat lunch in the comfort of my own place. This is the only time I watch tv. As I've found in the past few weeks, 90% of the time I'm watching C-SPAN. Very informative television in most cases and I feel like I'm learning something.

    So, I won't be giving up tv for a week (otherwise I'd be staring out the window while I eat my lunch). However, I feel I've already effectively reduced my tv watching to almost nothing.

  172. Already did it by EvilStein · · Score: 1

    DirecTV made last week my "TV Turn-off week" - I tried to tell them it was *this* week, but they insisted it was going to be whenever they felt like it unless I paid that bill. Blah.

  173. I love the hypociricy here.... by linuxrunner · · Score: 1

    All the people posting:

    [best george carlin voice]
    I don't OWN a TV
    [/voice]


    Or yapping about how this turn your tv off for a week is "Such a great idea", yet the same fools are sitting here, reading slashdot and are glued to their computers 14 hours a day, at work, at home, downloading movies and porn.

    But THEIR better then the rest of us, because THEY don't own a TV. As if the rest of us just sit there glued to the damn thing.... I watch the news, and maybe a show on the history channel.

    But according to them, I'm inferior.
    Whatever.... Go protest the killing of a spotted turtle up in Alaska or something.... Just get away from me,

    [best Cartman voice]
    Damn Hippies
    [/voice]


    --
    www.slightlycrewed.com - Because aren't we all?
    1. Re:I love the hypociricy here.... by syrinx · · Score: 1

      If you read more, instead of watching TV, you might know that it's spelled "hypocrisy", and you also might be able to tell the difference between "their" and "they're".

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      Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur.
  174. Arrrgh! by PMuse · · Score: 1

    Noooooo! It's not fair. My 2000-inch TV was installed this morning. I haven't even been home to see it yet.

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    "We reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals." --The American President (20.1.2009)
  175. In Bush-era US... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...television turns ME off!

  176. Re:I'm being serious here: Does it count if.... by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

    So if you record the shows for later, is that kosher? Because I think I can talk my wife into this, but she's certainly in the "But I'll miss Friends!" camp. Heaven forbid she shouldn't find out if Ross and Monica are finally going to get together.

    Generally speaking, anyone who uses a PVR to pick-n-choose is already ahead of the game because you've put yourself back in control of your schedule. And you're not sitting there veg'd in front of the TV watching 4 hours straight as you channel surf in an attempt to find something to watch.

    The real question is what do you do when you don't have anything recorded? Do you channel surf?

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    Wolde you bothe eate your cake, and have your cake?
  177. Giving up the internet by CedgeS · · Score: 1
    A lot of people have posted that it would be much harder to give up the internet. It's not hard at all. When I moved into this apartment we didn't have internet access or phone service for about three weeks. I really missed the phone, but hardly even noticed the internet. I also don't miss it when I leave home for any sort of trip. I guess it's out of sight - out of mind.

    What is harder is not giving it up. It is much harder to use it an apropriate amount (not reloading Slashdot / BBC / re-checking email) than it is to step away completely. My internet usage is never excesive when I'm only using it as an asside to another activity - like looking at overhead photos to find nice ways to bike out of the city or looking up documentation when coding.

  178. TV is not bad by LOL+WTF+OMG!!!!!!!!! · · Score: 1

    And TV does NOT rot your brain. Watching Nova on PBS makes me smarter (perish the thought!)

  179. Good...sick of hearing what was on last night by felonious · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wish no one watched tv because I'm sick of "did you see that Seinfeld episode" as relating to any topic during the day. Friends is also used in that capacity as relating to real life. I'm so sick of hearing about the last year of this show. NBC is trying to pull at people's heart strings and equivacate the ending of the show with a life changing event. It's a fucking sitcom, those aren't real people, and if you're saddened by the end of the show then you need to get a fucking life!

    If anything I might have the tv on for the news in the background while I'm doing other things and when I go to bed I put in a dvd to put me to sleep but other than that I don't watch any tv.

    I refuse to watch reality tv because if my life is so boring I have to voyeur in on someone else's life I want to take 50 bullets to the head. TV is such a waste of time. Now being on a computer isn't because at least you're using your brain and you can be doing contructive things like downloading mp3's, movies, programs, and tons of pr0n:) Computers are about freedom and free shit!:D

    I work all day long as an IT guy and I do other work at home but I go to the gym, race sports atv's, play a lot fo other sports, go camping, and just stay busy. If I get into a game way too much I make myself do other things because real life needs to be concentrated on much more than my "virtual" life. It's about priorities and working towards a constructive life.

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    You aren't free to do anything, until you've lost everything.
  180. TV? whats that? by Edarotag · · Score: 1

    I'm willing to bet that if I participate in national tv turn off week it will not affect my tv viewing habits in any way... seeing as I don't even have a tv.

  181. Hackers will be enjoying this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Directv hackers will be turning off their TV's,
    Directv is terminating the HU (P3) video authorization packets and and channels are dropping like flies.
    If you don't have a legit P4 access card you ain't watching Directv no mo...

  182. Jonathan Green does not own a television by DrinkDr.Pepper · · Score: 1

    The Onion | Area Man Constantly Mentioning He Doesn't Own A Television:

    http://www.theonion.com/onion3604/doesnt_own_telev ision.html

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    0xfeedface
    1. Re:Jonathan Green does not own a television by wizarddc · · Score: 1

      Dude, that was so appropriate. After reading that Onion piece when it came out, I realized I was that guy. But who cares. Instead of bragging out how I don't own a t.v., t.v. people are chatting about the performance of some seventeen year old hack singer, or who has the best chance of winning a contest of not eating or seeing their family the longest on an island. I consider my time more well spent, and they probably consider theirs better as well.

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      Th
  183. Nope by Have+Blue · · Score: 1

    Sorry, not going to give up Adult Swim and the Daily Show. Not everything on TV is crap, and people who watch reasonable amounts are not brain-dead addicts.

  184. No TV and No Beer make Homer go insane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TV... Teacher, Mother, Secret Lover

  185. Can't do it - NHL Playoffs! by sharv · · Score: 2, Interesting

    But but but! I already paid for the NHL hockey package! I've got to find out who wins the Leafs/Senators series! My life depends on it!

    I consider watching CBC and TSN broadcasts of hockey games as positive credit towards learning about another culture. Without these broadcasts, I never would have learned about Don Cherry, Tim Horton's, and Canadian Tire.

    -sharv

  186. Next week is "National Don't read a Book Week" by idamaybrown · · Score: 1

    When I see all the people who are obsessed with a book that they have read or are reading, it's about time for a National Don't Read a Book Week ;)

    1. Re:Next week is "National Don't read a Book Week" by Colonel+Angus · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Asking people to not watch any TV for a week is rather useless. What should be addressed is the pattern of TV viewing as has been said already. There are a couple "junk" shows I watch, but for the most part, the TV I watch is History/Learning/Space channel that are informative and a learning endeavour.

      If someone spent 20 hours a week reading The Enquirer, and other tabloid rags, does that make that time well spent? Absolutely not. Trash is treah is trash in whatever media it's available in.

      Get people to realize they can LEARN, develop and be COGNISANT of the world around them through any number of mediums. Radio, TV, Newspaper, etc. are all tools that can better you if used well and not wasted.

      As well, I also believe we all have our "guilty pleasure" that we're entitled to, again, when kept in check.

  187. Two minutes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Try four. I didn't realize how long commercial breaks had gotten until I got my MythTV box running. Hitting the right arrow on my remote fast-forwards thirty seconds at a time.

    1..2..3..4..5..6..7..8 or so ticks and I'm finally back into the program I wanted to watch. Now I know why I can't get involved in anything I watch anymore. If my brain has to sit on the sidelines for four minutes before the program resumes, then I quit, and I'm taking the ball home with me.

    Good grief.

  188. TVIO time? by KazerSoza · · Score: 1

    Note to self: ::set TVIO to record all next week::

    --
    Two wrongs don't make a right - but two do's make a dodo
  189. I have that already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since the stuff on television either is not that entertaining and the SciFi isn't what I can get by reading the collected short stories of Arthur C. Clarke et al., I decided to have cable modem but not cable TV.

    So far I found it much harder to prevent me from playing silly games too often than watching tv.

    But the hardest thing is to go out, aw - how do you do that and find that interesting. Maybe I sign up for another french class, not the same as going out but interesting.

  190. Reduced TV viewing by night_flyer · · Score: 1

    "90% of the people who participate in a TV Turnoff Week successfully reduce the amount of television they watch permanently"

    I didnt need this program to reduce the amount of TV I watch, all that was needed was the cancellation of: Family Guy, Titus, Dark Angel, The Tick, and about a dozen other shows I used to enjoy... all bets are off come football season however

    --


    Thanks to file sharing, I purchase more CDs
    Thanks to the RIAA, I buy them used...
  191. Now that the Apprentice is over... by vudufixit · · Score: 1

    No problem - it's already off!

  192. Turned mine off in 1997. Felt great by crovira · · Score: 1

    to get off the treadmill of watching and buying.

    I find it leaves me with more time for /. :-)

    Turn off the tube and you'll have a life...

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    MSBPodcast.com The opinions expressed here are my own. If you don't like 'em... Think up your own stuff.
  193. In other news by commonchaos · · Score: 1

    Hustler now features pictures of naked wildlife.

  194. Re:I'm being serious here: Does it count if.... by BigGerman · · Score: 1

    Finally one slashdotter truthful about not watching TV ;-)
    Ross and Monica are brother and sister.

  195. No, but.. by Sloppy · · Score: 1
    I'm not going to give up TV, but here's something to think about...

    If people didn't watch TV, then they wouldn't watch political commercials. Those are expensive to put on. What would happen if money became less useful in politics? What would happen if the guy who sold you out for a million dollar campaign contribution, didn't thereby gain a competitive advantage over his opponent?

    We reward them for hurting us. The harder they fuck us, the more votes we give them. Killing mass media might be a way to disrupt this cause-and-effect relationship.

    If you don't give up TV, at least filter out the ads. You don't need any campaign-finance-reform laws for this; you just need a fast-forward button.

    --
    As copyright owner of this comment, I authorize everyone to defeat any technological measure which limits access to it.
  196. I've been part of this for years now I guess... by rdewalt · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have been successfully participating in this 'Week' of no TV for the better part of a year now. With the exceptions of my occasional remembering that on Sat Night, the local PBS plays Red Green / Red Dwarf / Dr Who in a block, I would not have any change in my life if I did not own a TV at all.

    I do not watch television outside of the afforementioned three shows, and I'm lucky if I remember once a month. I have never watched "Survivor", I had no idea "Apprentice" ended, nor do I really care what other crap is being shoved at me over airwaves I do not listen to.

    I have never seen "The Sopranos", "Seinfeld" or even "Friends". Even when I watched TV, I never watched outside of Cartoon Network/Boomerang or one of the "TLC/Discovery Channel" Use Your Brain channels. Those channels never -once- insulted my intelligence. Yes, Cartoon network used to try and convince me my life was meaningless unless I was breathing Scooby Doo, so I just turned -that- off too.

    Am I missing out? No. The only real reason I have a TV anymore, is to connect to my DVD player|PS2|XBox and if I had a decent VGA box for the latter two, I'd not need more than my monitor. (Except I have a 17" monitor and a 29" TV and a better home theater than my computer's audio....) (Yes, I know I can use a vga converter, but I'm a zealot. Ever played a Dreamcast on VGA? Lord love a duck, there's no comparison.)

    If I wish to catch up on something that I might have missed, that a co-worker/friend/some-putz-on-irc things I -NEED- to see, oddly enough, there's Torrents and shares of practically any broadcast TV show now these days, if you know where to look.

    If you cannot give up something, even for a mere -week- then you are addicted, and should seriously take the time to to a self check on if thats good, or bad.

    1. Re:I've been part of this for years now I guess... by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1
      Ever played a Dreamcast on VGA? Lord love a duck, there's no comparison.

      Aye. Other consoles have VGA converters; the DreamCast had VGA *output.* Huge difference.

      The PS2 is engineered for televisions, so that's out. The Xbox, having like the DC a computer video card, could easily have VGA out, but Microsoft really doesn't want people to see the Xbox as a black and green computer, and so nixed it.

      Besides, half the fun of the Xbox is the AC-3 output. So leave it in the home theater, says I!

      --
      Vintage computer games and RPG books available. Email me if you're interested.
  197. Also what you can do next week.. by suso · · Score: 1
  198. Not Canada! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can tell its not a Canadian idea, cause they wouldn't choose to hold it during the NHL playoffs (essentially the only TV I still watch).

    Go LEAFS!

  199. Thread Summary: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TV is evil! I don't own a TV, and I'm infinitely better than everyone else!

    TV is good! I watch 1 million hours of TV a week!

    TV sucks! I [timeshift or equivalent recording device] all the quality shows!

    TV sucks! I buy/rent/steal all my DVDs at [favorite DVD outlet]!

    TV is okay! I just watch a handful of the channels. You know, the good ones: [channel1], [channel2], and of course [channel3]!

    TV is okay! I just watch a handful of shows. You know, the good ones: [show1], [show2], and of course [show3]!

  200. Side effects! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    90% of the people who participate in a TV Turnoff Week successfully reduce the amount of television they watch permanently.

    True, haven't watched in over a year, and don't miss it at all. However, my Slashdot viewing time is up by 1000%!

    -Fred

  201. Man, could they do it another week... by feloneous+cat · · Score: 1

    ... like when there isn't anything on TV?

    --
    IANAL, but I've seen actors play them on TV
  202. Canada will have to do it later ... by coutch · · Score: 1

    because it's NHL playoffs time !!

    Go Sens !

  203. But it's right in the middle of the playoffs! by Brad+Cossette · · Score: 1

    It's the NHL playoffs - why on EARTH would I turn off my TV?

    Maybe when baseball season's in full swing . . . :)

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    -- "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars" [Oscar Wilde]
  204. Or...just watch GOOD TV. by Chris+Carollo · · Score: 1

    First thing's first. Get a ReplayTV or a TiVo, and only watch stuff that you've intentionally recorded. Just watching whatever's on is going to be a mistake. Anyone watching TV without a PVR is doing it wrong.

    The problem I have with the "I don't have a TV, go read a book" crowd is that it's not like books are inherently better than TV. Sure, in general, the quality may be a bit higher and the degree to which you're being imaginative is probably greater, but there's plenty of tripe being published, just as there's plenty of crap being shown on TV.

    Also, who says that "good TV" can't simply be entertaining? I watch a number of shows that aren't "challenging" to any degree, but make me laugh and leave me in a good mood, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Hell, I even watch American Idol -- with ReplayTV each episode is between 15-20 minutes -- simply because watching competitions and being your own judge is entertaining, and I refuse to let some holier-than-thou zealot make me feel bad about myself for doing so.

    I regularly watch Six Feet Under, Carnivale, Curb Your Enthusiasm, The Daily Show, Scrubs, Arrested Development, Alias, Gilmore Girls, and The O.C., and sure, some of those are more fluff than others, but I am watching for entertainment, so I watch what entertains me.

    For the record, I also have a healthy NetFlix subscription, I rock climb, geocache, play tennis and softball, play card games, board games, video games, and do some side programming projects. There's no reason TV can't live alongside all those other activities.

    1. Re:Or...just watch GOOD TV. by bitterbastard · · Score: 1

      For the record, I also have a healthy NetFlix subscription, I rock climb, geocache, play tennis and softball, play card games, board games, video games, and do some side programming projects. There's no reason TV can't live alongside all those other activities.

      You're obviously not married.

    2. Re:Or...just watch GOOD TV. by Chris+Carollo · · Score: 1
      You're obviously not married.
      Actually, I am. I watch most of those shows with my wife, as well as the movies, as well as playing tennis, geocaching, card games, board games, and video games.
  205. Obligatory Max Headroom Reference by buckeyeguy · · Score: 1

    "There IS no off-switch."

    --
    I'd have a personalized plate on my car, but "toxic bachelor" won't fit into 7 letters.
  206. Gave my last tv set away back in '98.. by DoraLives · · Score: 1

    ..and now I have become unable to even understand why everybody's watching that infernal box. As it is, the day fails to contain sufficient hours for me to learn and do all the neato things I wanna learn and do (yup, that even includes a bit of time for /.), and the concept of blocking out HOURS, for learning and doing NOTHING, has become abhorrent to me. I find myself in people's houses and they're staring mindlessly into that thing and I'm UNABLE to fathom their hypnotism. I like me better, now that I've become this way, although certain others like me less. So it goes.

    --
    Is it fascism yet?
  207. The Confusion Continues by The+Dobber · · Score: 1


    Watch television - bad

    Bootleg movies from theatres - good

    Was there ever a playbook on this thing?

  208. Shouldn't be a problem for me... by Lakanta · · Score: 1

    as my television just died this week. I suppose it's getting ready for the its holiday.

    At least it's still under warranty though... phew.

  209. Thank you, Uncle Joe Stalin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Killing mass media might be a way to disrupt this cause-and-effect relationship.

    No good ever comes from censorship. Ever. If you don't like the political ads, ignore them..

  210. Hate to wander off-topic, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I _hate_ it when people say they "downloaded it off BitTorrent" like it's a kazaa style P2P. It just gives the program a bad reputation when people say such things. Don't clump it with all those things right-wingers would consider "evil". It has so many more, better applications.

    1. Re:Hate to wander off-topic, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So.... People should just pretend they didn't use BitTorrent? If I download something "from a webpage" should I lie about that too so they don't ban this Intraweb thingy?

      Face it, while 90% of all torrents come from places like supernova, it's going to have an image problem. If the best solution you can come up with is trying to convince everyone in the world to just keep quite about it, somehow I don't hold out much hope.

    2. Re:Hate to wander off-topic, but... by Valdrax · · Score: 1

      You know, before there was P2P, I used to frequently say that I downloaded something "off FTP," "off IRC," or even "off the Web" without implying that all FTP/IRC/Web sites were somehow part of a vast shadowy pirate conspiracy. (Okay, well, IRC aside...)

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      If it's for-profit but free, you're not the customer -- you're the product (e.g., the Slashdot Beta's "audience").
  211. obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... successfully reduce the amount of television they watch permanently

    well, yeah ... by one week.

  212. Self-Fulfilling Prophecy.... by GrnArmadillo · · Score: 1

    Well, the site appears to be /.'ed, but the claim seems to be remarkably self-apparant. Who's going to take part in a TV-turnoff week? Ignoring those of you who plan to cheat with your TIVO and binge the next week, it's generally going to be people who want to watch less TV. It would seem that driving up their participation (especially via cheating) will simply make their "90% of participants watch less TV afterwards" figure drop like a rock.

    Meanwhile, the flight of intelligent consumers from the TV market will give "content" producers even less reason to produce quality product, as their market will have left. Overall, this project sounds like a bad idea for everyone involved except those who've already resolved to quit TV anyways. If that's you, why are you waiting for Quit TV week?

  213. The Networks are already making this year long... by ZipR · · Score: 1

    for me with the cancellation of all of the good shows. Is this week necessary any longer?

  214. The revolution will not be televised! by joel_archer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You will not be able to stay home, brother.
    You will not be able to plug in, turn on and cop out.
    You will not be able to lose yourself on skag and skip,
    Skip out for beer during commercials,
    Because the revolution will not be televised.

    The revolution will not be televised.
    The revolution will not be brought to you by Xerox
    In 4 parts without commercial interruptions.
    The revolution will not show you pictures of Nixon
    blowing a bugle and leading a charge by John
    Mitchell, General Abrams and Spiro Agnew to eat
    hog maws confiscated from a Harlem sanctuary.
    The revolution will not be televised.

    The revolution will not be brought to you by the
    Schaefer Award Theatre and will not star Natalie
    Woods and Steve McQueen or Bullwinkle and Julia.
    The revolution will not give your mouth sex appeal.
    The revolution will not get rid of the nubs.
    The revolution will not make you look five pounds
    thinner, because the revolution will not be televised, Brother.

    There will be no pictures of you and Willie May
    pushing that shopping cart down the block on the dead run,
    or trying to slide that color television into a stolen ambulance.
    NBC will not be able predict the winner at 8:32
    or report from 29 districts.
    The revolution will not be televised.

    There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down
    brothers in the instant replay.
    There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down
    brothers in the instant replay.
    There will be no pictures of Whitney Young being
    run out of Harlem on a rail with a brand new process.
    There will be no slow motion or still life of Roy
    Wilkens strolling through Watts in a Red, Black and
    Green liberation jumpsuit that he had been saving
    For just the proper occasion.

    Green Acres, The Beverly Hillbillies, and Hooterville
    Junction will no longer be so damned relevant, and
    women will not care if Dick finally gets down with
    Jane on Search for Tomorrow because Black people
    will be in the street looking for a brighter day.
    The revolution will not be televised.

    There will be no highlights on the eleven o'clock
    news and no pictures of hairy armed women
    liberationists and Jackie Onassis blowing her nose.
    The theme song will not be written by Jim Webb,
    Francis Scott Key, nor sung by Glen Campbell, Tom
    Jones, Johnny Cash, Englebert Humperdink, or the Rare Earth.
    The revolution will not be televised.

    The revolution will not be right back after a message
    bbout a white tornado, white lightning, or white people.
    You will not have to worry about a dove in your
    bedroom, a tiger in your tank, or the giant in your toilet bowl.
    The revolution will not go better with Coke.
    The revolution will not fight the germs that may cause bad breath.
    The revolution will put you in the driver's seat.

    The revolution will not be televised, will not be televised,
    will not be televised, will not be televised.
    The revolution will be no re-run brothers;
    The revolution will be live.

    1. Re:The revolution will not be televised! by Ra5pu7in · · Score: 1

      And just how, pray tell, would those revolting keep the non-revolting reporters and camera-men away? These are people who are used to all-out war, so what's a measly revolution? (Actually, that might have merit as a new TV series "Revolution: Live". It could be a competition to see which group can help their designated nation overthrow its government.)

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  215. It kills imagination by Coppit · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My wife teaches first grade, and says that the kids have zero imagination. Halfway through one of their stories, she realizes that they are just regurgitating a movie or TV show. When she asks them to use their imagination, they think that are...

    One of the students wrote a story about how a new kid moved into the neighborhood named "Legoras".

    That's when we decided our kids will have omish toys--big blocky wooden stuff with wheels. Or maybe Legos. If they want to have fun, they'll have to invent it.

    1. Re:It kills imagination by The+Good+Reverend · · Score: 1

      While I agree that too much TV definately isn't healthy for the smaller set, your "imagination" argument doesn't really work. Six year olds don't have fully developed imaginations, and they'll take large chunks of any inspiration - their friends, family, and books. Even as adults, we get our imagination from the world around us - it's not just a TV thing.

  216. The Words of Howard Beale by Valdrax · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Yes, you can read newspapers to get by, but having moving pictures in your home is one of the greatest inventions of all time. Why would you want to abstain from it for some enlightend purpose?

    I will leave you with a quote from Howard Beale, an overstressed news anchor turned mad street prophet, from the movie "Network":
    You people and sixty-two million other Americans are listening to me right now. Because less than three percent of you people read books. Because less than fifteen percent of you read newspapers. Because the only truth you know is what you get over this tube. Right now, there is a whole, an entire generation that never knew anything that didn't come out of this tube. This tube is the gospel, the ultimate revelation. This tube can make or break Presidents, Popes, Prime Ministers. This tube is the most awesome, god-damned force in the whole godless world. And woe is us if it ever falls into the hands of the wrong people [...movie plot stuff snipped...] And when the twelfth largest company in the world controls the most awesome, god-damned propaganda force in the whole godless world, who knows what s--t will be peddled for truth on this network.

    So, you listen to me! Listen to me! Television is not the truth. Television is a god-damned amusement park. Television is a circus, a carnival, a traveling troupe of acrobats, story tellers, dancers, singers, jugglers, sideshow freaks, lion tamers and football players. We're in the boredom-killing business. So if you want the truth, go to your God, go to your gurus, go to yourselves because that's the only place you're ever gonna find any real truth. But man, you're never gonna get any truth from us. We'll tell you anything you want to hear. We lie like hell! We'll tell you that Kojack always gets the killer, and nobody ever gets cancer in Archie Bunker's house. And no matter how much trouble the hero is in, don't worry. Just look at your watch - at the end of the hour, he's gonna win. We'll tell you any s--t you want to hear. We deal in illusions, man. None of it is true! But you people sit there day after day, night after night, all ages, colors, creeds - we're all you know. You're beginning to believe the illusions we're spinning here. You're beginning to think that the tube is reality and that your own lives are unreal. You do whatever the tube tells you. You dress like the tube, you eat like the tube, you raise your children like the tube. You even think like the tube.

    This is mass madness. You maniacs. In God's name, you people are the real thing. We are the illusion. So turn off your television sets. Turn them off now. Turn them off right now. Turn them off and leave them off. Turn them off right in the middle of this sentence I am speaking to you now. Turn them off!
    Network is simply one of the best movies ever made about TV and the News. I highly recommend it. Despite 70s dress and equipment, it manages not to be dated. All the issues it deals with are still relevant, from how sensationalism taints objectivity and values to how quickly idealists can sell-out when given the opportunity.
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    1. Re:The Words of Howard Beale by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 1
      "You're beginning to believe the illusions we're spinning here. You're beginning to think that the tube is reality and that your own lives are unreal."

      This was in the days of three networks and shows like All In The Family. Is there any doubt now that its no longer BEGINNING, but is now fact that people think TV is real and their own lives not?
      "Reality" Shows dominate the networks and they all are alike in one way - they are about as far from reality as anything could possibly be.

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  217. National TV Turnoff Week. a.k.a.: by DiscoSnorlax · · Score: 1

    National TV Turnoff Week.
    a.k.a.:
    National Monitor Turnon Week
    National TV Tuner Card Install week

  218. Re:How about NO TV?... Doesn't work for me by robvs68 · · Score: 1

    Through my TV I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I've watched C beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. Without TV, all those moments will be lost in time like tears in rain.

  219. I got rid of my TV last year, gave it away. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Had the cable tv turned off too.

    I have a one year old and my desire to raise my children in a non-tv-addicted way was greater than my desire to watch it, so we had to get rid of it. It's just a big f'ing waste of time, time suck anyway.

    We listen to more music now...

  220. You're welcome, Uncle Adolph Hitler by Sloppy · · Score: 1

    Ignoring them (by voluntarily not watching TV or filtering your ads) is exactly what I was talking about. Not censorship by a third party. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

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  221. Have tv, no stations by Dog135 · · Score: 1

    I have a TV, but I don't get any channels. I can't get cable, and there's nothing on TV worth paying satalite for.

    But I have a butt load of DVDs!

    --
    "That's so plausible, I can't believe it!" - Leela
    1. Re:Have tv, no stations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But I have a butt load of DVDs!

      And what does that come out to, 2, maybe 4 or 5 at the most? On second thought, nevermind...forget I asked. ;)

    2. Re:Have tv, no stations by BackwardEngineer · · Score: 1

      Butt load? is that like an "ass tonne"?

  222. too...bad by Wedge1212 · · Score: 1

    turn off TV = turn on intarweb

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  223. It can also be a social thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I don't know about a lot of you, but television can be a very social activity. When I was in college, me and my group of friends had our shows that we watched every week. It was great putting down the books for an hour and all watch and laugh through a show together.

    In my work life, television lays down a good basis of conversation with my office mates. Talking about last night's episode of [fill in trendy show here] provides a good basis of non-work related conversation. The people who don't watch television frequently feel left out of the conversation, particularly if they have that "television rots your brain and I'm so much more sophisticated than all of you" attitude.

    But in keeping with the spirit of turn off your tv week, I will cut back on my viewing habits. However, I hope the world is prepared for "everyone veg out and watch your recorded shows" week coming up in two weeks.

  224. Self-Reply to add.... by GrnArmadillo · · Score: 2, Informative
    Site's apparantly just slow rather than dead, and the truth is worse than the Slashdot blurb makes it look. The quote (bolding mine):

    "TV-Turnoff Week Works!
    According to hundreds of responses to our TV-Turnoff Week follow-up surveys, 90 percent of responding participants reduced their TV-viewing as a result of participating."

    Who's going to go to the bother of responding to the survey to say how the whole exercise was a waste of their time? This isn't even an attempt at a scientific poll and should have been reviewed with more scrutiny by the editors.

  225. Next week is also....... by noprunesmoothie · · Score: 1

    National Medical Laboratory Week, so give props to the lab geeks!

  226. Television bad and evil and bad! Gwar! by Zareste · · Score: 1

    Now we can get back to smoking and drinking to pass time.

    *Whew* good thing for this holiday or whatever it is. Television was about to kill us all and rape our wives. I'm glad we so narrowly managed to escape it.

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  227. Maybe it's not so hard by WeirdKid · · Score: 1

    I think we'd lose a useful communication tool if we were to give it up entirely, but I agree with the concept as an attempt to get people to reduce television viewing, get off their fat asses and give their minds a taste of non-scripted, non-contrived reality.

    A few years ago, after being disgusted with a $100+ cable bill (or at least disgusted with myself for having a $100+ cable bill), I called and told Comcast to turn off everything but my internet service. They said I should keep at least the "limited basic" service, since I would be paying for it anyway with the "non-cable-tv-subscriber-surcharge". So I did, and now I pay around $55-$60 (internet, limited basic, and Hi-Def).

    The interesting part is that I'd thought I'd really miss things like SciFi, TLC, Discovery, etc., but I don't. If DSL were a viable option for me, I'd dump cable altogether and put up an antenna. With over-the-air digital becoming more prevalent, there's less reason to have cable service.

  228. You think you are smart, but you are not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I have been TV free for about 5 years.

    No one cares.

    I hate TV becuase I consider it to be a tool of government and corporate control and I dont want to be affected.

    Maybe if you watched a little television, especially non-fiction stuff about the world in general, you wouldn't have such a childish viewpoint.

  229. Thanks, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't own a TV you insensitive clod. ...I spend all my free time on /. and surfing for pr0n.

  230. What about... by cb8100 · · Score: 1

    Can I still use my TV tuner card in my PC? My television will still be off.

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    My lack of God, it's Trotsky!
  231. but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will webtv run without*click*

  232. Easy as pie! by CatOne · · Score: 1

    I'll turn off the TV for a week, it won't bother me at all!

    Then, the next week, my TiVo will be loaded to the gills and I'll gorge myself on 3 heaping helpings per day of brain-drain.

    Gotta cut this post short. Have to go to 9th tee and buy a 180 GB drive to hold the extra content!

  233. No way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah right, I'm going to stop watching TV right in the middle of the only thing I watch all year long - the hockey playoffs.

    Couldn't they find a better week? Perhaps calling off TV for the week of Christmas when all those stupid specials take over the world would be more fitting.

  234. Already happened... by gillbates · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I gave up tv several years ago.

    My Mom, unfortunately, bought me a set for Christmas when I moved into an apartment. I say "unfortunately" because my wife is now addicted to tv, and I can't stand the thing, personally.

    After the Army, everything changed for me. I had been there, done that in a very big way. After college, I became aware of how positively assinine the programming was:

    • I can't watch a news program without wondering how much they've exaggerated, how much they've left out, or if they've made the whole thing up.
    • I can't watch a sitcom without being inundated with someone else's socio-political agenda. Yes, I know gays exist. No, the fact that you're gay does't make you a good actor, nor does it make your story interesting. Everyone has had to overcome something in their life, and you are no different - but just less interesting.
    • I can't watch a "reality" show at all. On the rare occasion when the contestant is smarter than a cardboard box, they still can't act. I'm listening to someone spill their guts about their date, rehashing it like an NFL play-by-play. And then, in some monotone voice, they tell me that they "care about this person, might have feelings for them..." Which makes me think their love for this person is no deeper than a puddle, or they're just trying to pretend they love this person so they go home with the prize money.

    Television really doesn't offer me anything anymore.

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    The society for a thought-free internet welcomes you.
  235. A woman who doesn't watch television? by benzapp · · Score: 2, Funny

    I don't believe it.

    What does she do with her life?

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    I don't read or respond to AC posts
  236. Hell no, new season of MXC out next week ... by PhiltheeG · · Score: 1

    EOM

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    -Phil
    Shoot questions, first ask later...
  237. Have you ever enslaved a population? by jdavidb · · Score: 1

    Just think of all the awful things you've never done:

    "Have you ever ordered, or yourself committed, genocide?" "That's clean." "Have you ever annihilated a population?" "That's clean." "Have you ever upset an ecology?" "That's clean." "Have you ever practiced terrorism?" "That's clean." "Have you ever bred bodies for degrading purposes?" "That's clean." "Did you come to Earth for evil purposes?" "That's clean." "Have you ever made a planet, or nation, radioactive?" "That's clean." "Have you ever caused a planet to disappear?" "That's clean." "Have you ever torn out someone's tongue?" "That's clean." "Have you ever blinded anyone?" "That's clean." "Have you ever smothered a baby?" "That's clean." "Have you ever participated in a sexual relationship between a doll body and a human body?" "That's clean." "Have you ever made love to a dead body?" "That's clean." "Have you ever tortured another with electrical, or electronic devices?" "That's clean." "Have you ever been a professional executioner?" "Clean."

    Have you ever enslaved a population?, part of The Road to Xenu, the story of a woman caught up in Scientology.

  238. Sorry, I can't miss surviver by thbigr · · Score: 1

    After all, what will I have to talk about will hanging on a beutifull womans cube wall.

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    Come the revolution, the Bourgeois, Capitalistic, "A PARKING STICKER HOLDERS", will be first against the wall!
  239. Not hopeless... by artemis67 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just make sure your Tivo is on, and then watch twice as much TV the following week...

  240. OK, I'll turn it off... by mhocker · · Score: 1

    ... if I can leave the TiVO on recording it for consumption the following week!

  241. So that's why DirecTV pulled the plug.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This week DirecTV pulled the plug on the HU stream, ending 'Free' TV for hundreds of thousands, after years of successful hacking.

    Guess they heard about TV Turn Off Week, and wanted to help...

  242. All those guys by SomeOtherGuy · · Score: 1

    Whining about the losers who are addicted to TV and how liberating life is without a TV is hipocracy if you smoke dope. And I am willing to bet a fairly high percentage of these people are all dope smokers.

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    (+1 Funny) only if I laugh out loud.
  243. Paranoid by bstadil · · Score: 1
    Stuff that matters to the tinfoil hat crowd

    Remember that just because you are not paranoid doesn't mean you are not being followed.

    Just ask Martha

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    Help fight continental drift.
  244. Yeah, but without Playboy TV... by AvantLegion · · Score: 1

    ... my sexual activity would be gone for a week too. I don't see THAT working out very well...

  245. Buggles by Prince+Vegeta+SSJ4 · · Score: 1, Funny
    • I saw you on the wireless back in Ninety Two
    • Lying awake intent at tuning in on you.
    • If I was young it didn't stop you coming through.
    • Oh-a oh

    • They took the credit for your second symphony.
    • Rewritten by machine and new technology,
    • and now I understand the problems you can see.
    • Oh-a oh

    • I met your children
    • Oh-a oh
    • What did you tell them?
    • The Net-eo killed the Video star.
    • The Net-eo killed the Video star.
    • Google came and broke your heart.
    • Oh-a-a-a oh
    1. Re:Buggles by ScottGant · · Score: 1

      I loved that song...rang in the video generation for MTV as it was the first song played...

      MTV was great that first year...NO COMMERCIALS!

      Now it's 95% commercials from what I saw last time.

      --

      "Music is everybody's possession. It's only publishers who think that people own it." - John Lennon.
    2. Re:Buggles by jcenters · · Score: 1

      Sorry to tell you this, but MTV has never been anything but commercials. The videos are the record company's way of selling you their albums.

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      vi ~/.emacs

    3. Re:Buggles by ScottGant · · Score: 1

      Really? Wow, and to think I was just watching them because I kinda dug the music/images.

      Foolish me.

      --

      "Music is everybody's possession. It's only publishers who think that people own it." - John Lennon.
    4. Re:Buggles by Yakko · · Score: 1

      I remember MTV in 1983. "Wow! Videos!"

      In 1988. "Wow! Videos! And Kari on Remote Control."

      In 1991. "Hrrm... some videos, but what's with all these shows?"

      Then, I went to Germany for 2 years.

      Watched MTV in 1994 when I got back. "Meeh... not (m)any videos. Forget it."

      I haven't been back since.

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    5. Re:Buggles by nyseal · · Score: 1

      OH THANKS A LOT!!!!! Now I have to go d/l the damn song because it's stuck in my head.....I had to read your comment twice before I got it though. Damn.

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  246. not a problem by iii_rjm · · Score: 1

    I've got tivo

  247. I'm the Slime - by Frank Zappa by ch-chuck · · Score: 1

    I am gross and perverted
    I'm obsessed 'n deranged
    I have existed for years
    But very little had changed
    I am the tool of the Government
    And industry too
    For I am destined to rule
    And regulate you
    I may be vile and pernicious
    But you can't look away
    I make you think I'm delicious
    With the stuff that I say
    I am the best you can get
    Have you guessed me yet?
    I am the slime oozin' out
    From your TV set
    You will obey me while I lead you
    And eat the garbage that I feed you
    Until the day that we don't need you
    Don't go for help...no one will heed you
    Your mind is totally controlled
    It has been stuffed into my mold
    And you will do as you are told
    Until the rights to you are sold
    That's right, folks.. Don't touch that dial
    Well, I am the slime from your video
    Oozin' along on your livingroom floor
    I am the slime from your video
    Can't stop the slime, people, lookit me go

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    1. Re:I'm the Slime - by Frank Zappa by alien666 · · Score: 1

      Love this tune ... used to cover it in my old band way back in the year 2000.

    2. Re:I'm the Slime - by Frank Zappa by whathappenedtomonday · · Score: 1
      One nation under God has turned into
      one nation under the influence of one drug

      [chorus:] Television, the drug of the Nation Breeding ignorance and feeding radiation(2x)

      T.V., its satellites links our United States of Unconsciousness
      Apathetic therapeutic and extremely addictive
      The methadone metronome pumping out 150 channels 24 hours a day
      you can flip through all of them
      and still there's nothing worth watching
      T.V. is the reason why less than 10 per cent of our
      Nation reads books daily
      Why most people think Central Amerika
      means Kansas
      Socialism means unamerican
      and Apartheid is a new headache remedy
      absorbed in it's world it's so hard to find us
      It shapes our mind the most
      maybe the mother of our Nation
      should remind us
      that we're sitting too close to...

      [Chorus:]Television, the drug of the Nation
      Breeding ignorance and feeding radiation(2x)

      T.V. is the stomping ground for political candidates
      Where bears in the woods are chased by Grecian Formula'd bald eagles
      T.V. is mechanized politic's
      remote control over the masses
      co-sponsored by environmentally safe gases
      watch for the PBS special
      It's the perpetuation of the two party system
      where image takes precedence over wisdom
      Where sound bite politics are served to the fastfood culture
      Where straight teeth in your mouth
      are more important than the words that come out of it
      Race baiting is the way to get selected
      Willie Horton or Will he not get elected on...

      [Chorus:]Television, the drug of the Nation Breeding ignorance and feeding radiation(2x)

      T.V., is it the reflector or the director?
      Does it imitate us or do we imitate it
      because a child watches 1500 murders before he's
      twelve years old and we wonder why we've created
      a Jason generation that learns to laugh rather than to abhor the horror
      T.V. is the place where
      armchair generals and quarterbacks can
      experience first hand the excitement of warfare
      as the theme song is sung in the background
      Sugar sweet sitcoms that leave us with a bad actor taste while
      pop stars metamorphosize into soda pop stars
      You saw the video You heard the soundtrack Well now go buy the soft drink
      Well, the only cola that I support
      would be a union C.O.L.A.(Cost Of Living Allowance) - On television

      [Chorus:] Television, the drug of the Nation Breeding ignorance and feeding radiation(2x)

      Back again, 'New and improved'
      We return to our irregularly programmed schedule
      hidden cleverly between heavy breasted
      beer and car commercials
      CNNESPNABCTNT but mostly B.S.
      Where oxymoronic language like
      'virtually spotless','fresh frozen','light yet filling'
      and 'military intelligence' have become standard
      T.V. is the place where phrases are redefined
      like 'recession' to 'necessary downturn'
      'Crude oil' on a beach to 'mousse'
      'Civilian death' to 'collateral damages'
      and being killed by your own Army is now called 'friendly fire'
      T.V. is the place where the pursuit of happiness
      has become the pursuit of trivia

      Where toothpaste and cars have become sex objects. Where imagination is sucked out of children by a cathode ray nipple. T.V. is the only wet nurse that would create a cripple
      [Chorus:] Television, the drug of the Nation Breeding ignorance and feeding radiation(4x)

      Disposable Heroes Of Hiphoprisy
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      I hope I didn't brain my damage.
  248. and this is enlightened? by tacokill · · Score: 1

    "I never saw the images from 9/11 until weeks afterward ...(snip)"

    "I hate TV becuase I consider it to be a tool of government and corporate control and I dont want to be affected. So I dont have a TV in my house and I dont watch. I live a different life becuase of that and my choice I've made."

    Exactly...and you have now relegated yourself to being an "uninformed" citizen, for the most part. I mean, I hate the corp/gov influence as much as you do but don't you see that TV does have SOME positive influences? It's not ALL negative. People went mental about 9/11 --- because it was and still is a big f*cking deal! Perhaps the biggest deal to happen to this country in the last 50 years. The fact that you didn't go mental was not because you were informed and decided that you wouldn't go mental, rather, it was because you didn't even know in the first place. Big difference, my friend.

  249. I don't have a TV..., by smcdow · · Score: 1

    ... you insensitive clod!

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  250. This is not a required event by infonick · · Score: 1

    I find television now has three uses.

    1) watching the Canuck playoffs
    2) watching the latest massacer from Iraq
    3) watching "reality shows"

    I couldnt care less about #'s 2 and 3 (due to their constant repitition), and the score for #1 is 3 vs 2 (Flames vs Canucks respectivly) is discouraging.

    Oh, wait. Every now and then I will sit infront of a good episode of Spongebob Squarepants. But other than that, I'm on my computer or enguaging in outdoor activity.

    check out the following for your daily entertainment and/or use:

    slashdot.org - News for nerds, Stuff that matters.
    homestarrunner.com - simply the best internet cartoon.
    bash.org - the most entertaining IRC conversations.
    ebay.ca - search ebay as a canadian
    oldversion.com - because newer isnt always better.
    thinkgeek.net - buy useless crap, and feel good about it!
    suprnova.org - bittorrent site. (tip: if you must watch tv, download it.)
    google.ca - the best search engine on the web, now for canadians!

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    You are confusing me with someone who cares.
  251. Re:I love the hypocrisy here.... by linuxrunner · · Score: 1

    Ok, thanks...

    Slam the guy with English as a second language.

    How many do you languages do you speak and write perfectly you insensitive clod?

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  252. Has anyone noticed... by teamhasnoi · · Score: 1
    How subtle TV marketing is? As in a new movie is on it's way out the door, and slowly the number of shows and rebroadcasts featuring the star of the new movie increase. It's not obvious at first, just an increase in face time.

    I especially noticed when 'Road to Perdition' with Tom Hanks came out, and suddenly there was a 'Bosom Buddies' marathon, and a selection of Tom's movies like Splash, Forrest Gump, Big, You've Got Mail, and WTF?! MAZES AND MONSTERS (arguably his best/worst).

    I said, WTF? What's with the Tom Hanks Super Exposure Week? I then realize I'll be seeing ads for the new Tom Hanks movie anytime.

    Comedy Central is especially good/bad at this, as they do it often, but it is more obvious.

    Next time you notice a strange movie on TV, and think "Why this flick? Odd...", make a note of the star of the film. Chances are there will be trailers for the new 'feel good romp of the summer'.

    Just remember, nothing on the Tube is left to chance. Always ask yourself, 'Why am I seeing this?' and 'Who are they marketing to?' and you'll be surprised how subtle/evil/disturbingly tied-in the entertainment industries are.

  253. Oh sure. by 455 · · Score: 2

    Oh sure, pick the week to be during hockey playoffs! C'mon... let's turn our TV's off during the world series or something.

    1. Re:Oh sure. by MrPink2U · · Score: 1

      Great point!

      Someone mod this up +1 Insightful

  254. adbusters by blop · · Score: 1

    If you like initiatives like the TV turnoff week, make sure to check out adbusters

  255. Sure no problem... by caffeinex36 · · Score: 1

    thats what TiVo is for........silly silly...

    -Rob

  256. Who's bragging? by Dog135 · · Score: 1

    I don't watch TV, but not because I think it makes me a better person. Like most people here mention, there's just not that much good content on. Sitting down and reading a book, watching a movie, or playing video games is just as much a waste of time as watching TV is.

    But for the price of cable, I can get a video game each month. And I enjoy it more. For the few shows I do watch, it's cheaper to buy the DVD sets for the season. Then you also get the cool commentary.

    I do have skills I can be working on: drawing, glass etching, sculpting. But I'm too lazy. I may not sit around and watch TV, but I sit around and play games.

    --
    "That's so plausible, I can't believe it!" - Leela
  257. Turning off the TV is not an easy thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    because it includes so much: VCR, DVD, Gamecube. And while we are at it, to make it effective, the Gameboys have to go off, and the computer also! So no TV, no Slashdot! But then who will really miss it? Go out and soak up the rays, oh they feel so nice after winter.

  258. bah by DarkManaX · · Score: 1

    I will not by choice but by necessity as next week is dead week before finals... besides, I don't watch it by far as much as I used to (but I sit in front of another radiation emitting box)

  259. Twice as much next week by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 1

    It just means I'm going TV that week and watch twice as much TV the next week.

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    Supporting World Peace Through Nuclear Pacification

  260. You are overlooking the obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "virtually everybody who drives an SUV is a victim of this, there is no practical reason to want one other than because the TV told you to." Actually, just about everyone who has an SUV needs one. Just because you personally do not need one does not mean that you can say "others don't need what I need, so they are wrong". "The scary part is, most of these people have no idea just how much of their opinions, wants, and desires are influenced (even created) by television" This smells like the lame "brainwashed" theory. SUVs are necessary because of "CAFE". The "CAFE" standards have forced auto makers to make tiny flimsy dangerous cars that few want. Thanks to a loophole (may it never close), auto makers are able to try and satisfy the public's auto needs by making SUV's.

    1. Re:You are overlooking the obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes. in order to further dodge the LAW, auto manufacturers have gone double time advertising the hell out of their SUVs.

      why shouldnt they... its twice as much profit for the same investment.

      SUV's are necessary for some people, this is correct. You could say that im one of them as i live way out in the boonies. But the prohibitive cost of them (due to their unnatural popularity) keeps me from being able to obtain one.

      so i drive a station wagon thru the mud & it does just fine.

    2. Re:You are overlooking the obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "yes. in order to further dodge the LAW, auto manufacturers have gone double time advertising the hell out of their SUVs" The manufacturers are obeying the law. CAFE allows this. The solution, however, would be to get rid of CAFE and let the automakers serve the public. "SUV's are necessary for some people, this is correct. You could say that im one of them as i live way out in the boonies." Since people only buy them if they need them, it is not just those in the boonies. It is just about everyone who has them. "so i drive a station wagon thru the mud & it does just fine" There aren't many station wagons anymore. CAFE pretty much killed the genre.

    3. Re:You are overlooking the obvious by I_M_Noman · · Score: 1
      just about everyone who has an SUV needs one
      You obviously don't live in New York City.
    4. Re:You are overlooking the obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The manufacturers are obeying the law. CAFE allows this."

      this is a loophole in CAFE, CAFE is meant to apply to all passenger vehicles, somehow though, the lincoln navigator is not a passenger vehicle (what it really is, ill never know, it sure looks like one to me)

      "There aren't many station wagons anymore. CAFE pretty much killed the genre."

      bullshit.. toyota, nissan, ford, chevy, subaru, they all still make station wagons, just because they dont have V8s in them doesnt make them not station wagons. Besides, if all you need is to ferry 12 kids to the soccer match, cant a minivan do that job just as well as an SUV?? CAFE applies to minivans, & it hasnt made them any less useful. but minivans are unfashionable, so you wouldnt be caught dead in one.

      face it, youre a tool of the advertising gurus. the only reason you love your SUV so much is because they told you to.

      you paid twice as much for something thats all superficial image. you are not your car, driving a 4x4 doesnt make you a tough guy any more than driving a station wagon makes me a housewife.

      too bad you let your ego control you so much, or youd see what im saying is true.

  261. Late to 9/11 too. by Dog135 · · Score: 1

    When 9/11 happened, my wife called to me from her computer, asking if I heard anything about NY. She had been in a chat room when people where talking about it. It wasn't until about 1:00 when she first heard about it and we turned on the TV. We only got broadcast channels, but KING came in well, so we watched it then.

    Today we can't even get broadcast, and we won't pay for satalite, so if it happened again, I'd only be able to get my news from the internet. (no radio in the house, and my truck doesn't get very good reception)

    But it has me curious. How did you go for a week of internet use without hearing about NY? Or didn't you have internet access at the time?

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    "That's so plausible, I can't believe it!" - Leela
  262. $30 to "join"? WTF! by scovetta · · Score: 1

    Why does an organization like this want $30 for me to join? Wouldn't donations have been more appropriate? I can just not watch TV and not tell them-- they'll probably sue me for something though.

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    Wer mit Ungeheuern kämpft, mag zusehn, dass er nicht dabei zum Ungeheuer wird. --Nietzsche
  263. I Needed a Push by dmomo · · Score: 1

    I was never a TV junky, but did, at one time watch my fair share. I live in a basement apartment at the bottom of a hill. One day a couple years back, I had a flood. The water was close to two feet deep, so I had to pick and choose what I kept. My TV was already lofted, so it was saved by default. I did, however need to send a lot of my things to store at my parents house while I was homeless (funny one thing I refused to store there was myself!!). So, I sent them my TV. By the time the dust settled and I moved back in (after they repaired the piping that allowed it to occur in the first place), I had gone close to three weeks TV free. I actually didn't want it back. I didn't miss it. My parents now own my TV. I don't own one. I don't like TV (when I'm not watching it). Interestingly enough, I have found my self more skeptical of things I read. I am not always aware of the latest crazes and trends. I only heard three weeks ago about Donald Trumps TV show. I really think in advertantly it has made my mind stronger, and to myself, my own opinions on what I see and hear show through. We all know we are spoon fed thoughts. That's not only something that happens via a television set. It happens everywhere. But TV, I think is the 'big one'. I always knew this, but now it is more obvious to me. I will have a TV in my home again, of course, lest I choose to live alone forever! But, I don't see myself channel surfing the way I used to. Egad... I am becoming queezy just thinking about it.

  264. I get the feeling you're a troll, but... by thdexter · · Score: 1

    I cant get thru one day at work without someone parroting some viewpoint not of their own making becuase some show said something about a topic. [...] I never saw the images from 9/11 until weeks afterward.

    Uh, you don't read Newsweek, Time, Rolling Stone? The New York Times or Chicago Sun-Times or any fucking newspaper in the country? 9/11 was the biggest news story we've had since the election, and you couldn't turn around without seeing it on newspapers, magazines, or hearing about it on the radio. You just seem like a naive guy who wants to proclaim that you're better than the unwashed masses who are amused by television shows (such as Donald Trump's "The Apprentice") portrayed strictly as entertainment. And many are entertained, and many are informed.

    I hate TV becuase I consider it to be a tool of government and corporate control and I dont want to be affected.

    Newsflash: Slashdot is owned by OSDN, a publicly-owned corporation. Winamp is owned by AOLTW. Your computer parts, your bedsheets, your iPod... Who are you rebelling against, and why?

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  265. Giving up the computer for a week would be harder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not that anyone else cares, but I sometimes go a week without turning on the TV -- I'll watch the news if it's on, and if there is a science fiction show or Simpson's episode I'll turn it on, but I'll watch on average 3-4 hours of TV per week.

    The computer, on the other hand, is more like 3-4 hours per day -- I'll watch DVD's on it, play games, write stories, download Trek episodes I've missed, email and IM friends, and otherwise play on the Net. It's a lot more fun than 95% of the TV shows out there.

  266. Censorship yes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Adbusters is rather repugnant: an overall intolerance of free speech coupled with the invalid far-left ideology of Marxism. Never, ever trust a group that is based on intolerance of freedom of expression.

  267. Exceptional! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You, sir, are an class-A troll. Like the RNC itself, your strength comes from honest hypocrasy. Your bio is especially hilarious. Please continue the good work of making righties look truly imbecilic.

  268. Have you ever noticed.. by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 1

    That once you've bought a DVD of a show, you don't seem to care whether or not it is on anymore?

    ... worse, you tend not to watch it because you can always watch it "some other time?"

    T.V. sucks and it doesn't have to.

  269. Paranoid? Wear the tinfoil hat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hate TV becuase I consider it to be a tool of [the usual suspects of nonexistant conapiracies. A hint: TV looks better if you are wearing a tinfoil hat. Then you can actually see the strings and the green men pulling them to control Dan Rather. "What's the frequency, Kenneth?"

  270. only one week? by ksheff · · Score: 1

    Big deal.

    I rarely watch TV anymore. The only thing my TV set is used for is an occasional DVD or VHS movie and if I remember, The Simpsons and King of the Hill on Sunday right. I forget more often than I remember, so it's possible that I go for a few weeks without turning it on.

    I would have a problem if it was a week without the Internet. :)

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    the good ground has been paved over by suicidal maniacs
  271. why do you think they call it programming.... by big+daddy+kane · · Score: 1

    if you watch a tv news program (most of whichis junk anyways) you dont have time to think about what you've seen and the opinions you have heard, so often one will accept it, when you read something in the newspaper or in a book you can stop and think about it, and formulate your own opinion in the matter.

  272. Screw that.... by Pedrito · · Score: 1

    I've been living in Southern Mexico for the last 9 months with a TV and DVD player, but no satellite or cable (effectively, nothing but DVDs since there are no broadcast stations where I live). I'm moving back to the U.S. next week and high on my list of things to do is veg in front of a TV for a few days. Sorry, but I'm going to pass on participation in this ridiculous exercise.

    TV is what you make of it. There's tons of crap and if you watch a lot of crap, that's what you're filling your brains with. I watch a pretty good mix, including a great deal of time on news only channels and science and nature programming. Sorry, but I like that stuff and there's some education to be taken from them.

    How about a "Don't watch crap on TV week," particuarly geared towards what kids are consuming. Or how about this? Take MTV off the air for 6 months out of the year. That would go a long way to improving the situation.

  273. TV Sucks by sgage · · Score: 1

    I'm happy to see that quite a few folks here don't watch TV. I haven't had TV for nearly 10 years, and don't miss it one bit. Ditch the TV, and you will be given a gift of time. The unmediated life is the way to go!

    1. Re:TV Sucks by MrPink2U · · Score: 1

      Well aren't you special.

    2. Re:TV Sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ditch the TV, and you will be given a gift of time.

      Which you can waste on video games, drugs, and other interresting activities instead of that no good brain rotting, brain washing, image device. ;-)

      Hehe not trying to troll here, but i did ditch TV for nearly 6 years. That was 3 years in college, studying, +3 years of being used to not watch the crap they show. Nowadays i bought a laptop and it's easier to watch whatever is on even if it's crap :(

      ( Guess i should do more drugs )

  274. Only one week?. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I turned off my television 2 years ago. The only time I was tempted to turn it back on was the Nova mini series by Brian Greens. They ended up putting thos on the web and so I have not missed anything.

    Turn it off. You'll be glad you did

  275. Already turned off mine. by alazar · · Score: 1

    A nasty thunder storm moved thru last week and for whatever reason, knocked out my DirecTV. I don't yet have a ladder to go up to see what the problem is, everything looks good from the ground.

    Interesting thing is that my kids don't seem to mind. It's me going thru HGTV, FoodChannel and Spike withdrawl.

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    True friends are hard to come by... I need more money. - Calvin
  276. feng shui by brysnot · · Score: 1

    Joey: I play Dr. Drake Ramoray.
    Sarah: I'm sorry, I don't own a TV.
    Joey: You don't own a TV? What's all your furniture pointed

  277. Hypocrisy and truth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Why most people think Central Amerika means Kansas" who is he to talk, he can't spell America correctly. "Socialism means unamerican" Not only that. It is unhuman. It is hard to get worse.

  278. I'll give up TV... by javaxman · · Score: 1
    Just as soon as Mad Mad House is over!

    What? What are you looking at me like that for? Hey, sometimes it helps to give the brain a rest, you know... if I watched TV less, I'd just play video games more. If I wanted to do something productive, I'd work on the house. The point is that when I watch TV, I'm actively choosing to *not* be productive. If anyone has a problem with that choice, they need to get a new hobby outside of worrying about what I'm doing with my time.

    Now that I have Tivo, I can more efficiently spend my unproductive time being entertained rather than watching commercials and bad shows "because nothing else is on", but I'm still *choosing* to be unproductive... kinda like right now...

  279. How about . . . by jhylkema · · Score: 1

    Reading a book or listening to some music instead. And no, the latest oh-so-trendy indie garage techno hip-hop band doesn't count. Listen to some real music for once - it'll make you smarter!

    Now, convincing people who live in a country where the USA Today is the number one selling newspaper to consume anything longer than three minutes with no eye candy . . .

  280. So what about... by sunbeam60 · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... watching TV on plasmas and TFTs? Since they don't form a picture by updating one dot at the time, you would by your idea be less prone to advertisement?

    1. Re:So what about... by Jardine · · Score: 1

      Or blind people. Does tv advertising work as well on blind people as it does on those with sight?

    2. Re:So what about... by SlightlyMadman · · Score: 1

      Not sure, but I know billboards don't. Maybe it's because they tend to put them up around the highway.

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      Money I owe, money-iy-ay
    3. Re:So what about... by tbmaddux · · Score: 2, Funny
      I know billboards don't. Maybe it's because they tend to put them up around the highway.
      Does that imply that blind people would be more responsive to billboards if they were put, say, in their bedrooms?
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      Can't you see that everyone is buying station wagons?
    4. Re:So what about... by SlightlyMadman · · Score: 1

      Actually, they couldn't factor that into the study because none of the participants had a big enough bedroom.

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      Money I owe, money-iy-ay
    5. Re:So what about... by SurgeonGeneral · · Score: 1

      I'd like to draw your attention to the fact that the model I showed you applies to all mediums, including billboards, and standard television just happens to be able to utilize it very well. You are always prone to advertisment, just far more so when watching the tely.

      I am fairly confident that plasma and TFTs do not work that way, but I am also fairly confident that it works even better on HDTV (which, you'll have noticed, media companies have been pushing a lot)

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      -- "Man is born free, and everywhere he is in chains." Jean Jacques Rousseau
  281. National Turn off the TV week vs. Season Finalies? by Applepuppy · · Score: 1

    National Turn off the TV week vs. Season Finalies? For some reason I think that this effort would have been more successful had it been scheduled to take place during the Summer reruns...

  282. Slashdot log off week by konkani · · Score: 1

    How about an optional logout for one week? or even better - a National 404 Not Found week - all websites shut down!

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  283. let me repeat myself by (54)T-Dub · · Score: 1

    sarcasm ( P ) Pronunciation Key (särkzm) n. 1. A cutting, often ironic remark intended to wound. 2. A form of wit that is marked by the use of sarcastic language and is intended to make its victim the butt of contempt or ridicule.

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  284. Announcing Shut the Hell Up Week by Kaboom13 · · Score: 1

    I propose a week where people mind their damn business, and stop whining about how other people watch tv (or what they watch). Also, for the duration of the week, the self-righteous "I don't have a tv crowd" is banned from speaking, so we don't have to listen to how morally superior they are just because they don't have a tv. Shut the Hell Up Week pt. 2 will follow, in which people are forbidden from talking about non-educational programming, so we don't have to waste all those hours in those heated "Which Survivor candidate is cutest" conversations.

  285. TV is s a drug... by taradfong · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just like sugar, cigarettes and crack. While you're on it, you think all-in-all everything's ok. Sure, you know it'd be better to stop, but heck you deserve to enjoy yourself and you work too hard to take on another 'project'.

    But stop and think about it objectively for a minute. What do you *really* get out of seeing each and every A-Team/Friends/Night Rider/Buffy episode? Doesn't it seem pathetic when you realize most of your cable viewing consists of hours of watching something mildly interesting for 3 minutes, flipping, repeat?

    And let me promise you, if you do stop, the world seems like a different place. You'll actually enjoy TV more when you watch it, say, at a hotel. You'll realize how TV more or less recycles the same storylines and junk because after years of not watching, you really won't have missed much.

    The strangest thing is that you'll realize how much you are talked down to by commercials and the news. Wonder why people in classic movies talk with sophistication while adults today sound like junior high dropouts of the past? It's because we rise or lower ourselves to our environment, and TV has become in a twisted way our primary interface to reality.

    Don't even get me started if you have kids...unless you want them to turn out to be just like all the other illiterate, overweight, short attention span, "can't compete with Indian kids after $80k of eduction but knows every Simpson's/Sponge Bob episode by heart" losers.

    So...do what I do. No broadcast TV. No cable. Take it out of your house. Like a drug, the only way to really kick it is to quit completely and keep it out of sight. Don't even connect the antenna. There are plenty of Movies and DVDs to keep you occupied.

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    Does it hurt to hear them lying? Was this the only world you had?
  286. NO by onShore_Jake · · Score: 1

    Lame idea by people who think they are so great with their complicated shoes.
    Don't these folks have any better crusades than trying to steal the warming glow of my TV? After all, I was raised on TV and I turned out TV.

  287. Burning Man by justfred · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Personally, my turn-off-the-tv (and the phone and the internet and the social filters and the clothing and most of the rest of the pesky trappings of reality) time is the week before Labor Day. And it's amazing to me to see how little I really miss out on. It's even reduced my consumption of these things the rest of the year (what with beach burns and construction parties and campouts and other social functions).


    Besides, if you want to literally kill your television, what better place to do it? (As long as you're playa-friendly, of course!)


    But, uh, don't take it from me. Don't go. You wouldn't like it. It's so over. It was better last year. It's just a rave. Too many people. Too hot. Too many drugs and naked freaks.

  288. Sorry, but that'll have to wait until the 20th by gabe · · Score: 1

    Band of Brothers doesn't end until the 19th. Oh yeah, and Thursday's out too because Kingdom Hospital is on.

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  289. Turning It Off Is Not Enough by Skip666Kent · · Score: 1

    You've got to cancel your cable, period end of story. Thenthe healing can begin!

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  290. Bravo by DownTownMT · · Score: 1

    I have to give props to the parent. It seems that alot of people get off by saying "I dont watch tv" anymore, like they want a medal or somthing. I only watch maybe an hour tops on the weekdays, little more on the weekends, but some people make it out like thats a drug problem or somthing. Again most of TV is crap, yet i am into sports, and love watching sports on TV, and it sure as hell beats watching a Buffalo Bills game on TV rather then travel to the dismal city and sit in the stands freezing my nuts off. Gotta love The daily show w/ Jon Stewart also. Im with parent on this one, i also plan on watching more TV because of this gay idea.

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  291. Give TV to Charity by mrs+clear+plastic · · Score: 1

    I had a job at a poor public tv station back in 1976 to 1978. They could barely afford equipment; in fact they only had black and white cameras.

    When I quit the job, I gave them my tv as a going away present and they put it in the employee lunch room.

    I have since bought a sewing machine.

    That was in 1978.

    You can look at www.clearplastic.com for the results.

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    Cleara
  292. Events in New York City by jonesvery · · Score: 1

    Some events happening in and around NYC during TV turnoff week are listed here, among other places.

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  293. Yeah, sorry but last 5 episodes of Angel by unassimilatible · · Score: 1
    Can't you officious busybodies leave me alone to mourn the passing of Angel in peace? I have to be lectured by nerds in my time of grief?

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  294. Re: Your Sig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Support our troops: Elect a responsible president!
    Right you are! Re-elect Bush in 2004!

    Unless you die soon, Bush raised your taxes!
    My taxes are down this year! Should I be worried? I think not. (Less flame, more facts, pepito!)

  295. Re:TV use is inversely proportional to Internet us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you seriously think this is somehow better? Some of the most socially introverted people alive are addicted to computers, they are far more addicting than TV, due to their interactive nature.

  296. Benefits? by TheABomb · · Score: 1
    Among the many benefits claimed by tvturnoff.org is that 90% of the people who participate in a TV Turnoff Week successfully reduce the amount of television they watch permanently.
    And this is a "benefit" how? And don't tell me you people have lives, you're reading /.
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  297. totally pointless by pyrrho · · Score: 1

    I turn the TV off multiple times EVERY day already.

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  298. You have to ask? by Syncdata · · Score: 1

    I don't mean to be rude, but your questions indicate an utter vaccuum in your life.
    I'm another one of these kill your television types, so chances are you won't believe me, but you have been programmed to view your television as the only way to spend your downtime.
    Can you talk through the commercials? Sure. Should you arbitrarily limit your conversation with your WIFE to 20 minutes in a 1 hour slot, broken into 2.5 minute segments? I shouldn't have to answer that.
    How does a family read together? Use your imagination. It involves sitting down together, and periodicals. Wine may or may not be involved. Some substitute tea, or coffee. It doesn't have to be reading either! Do a crossword puzzle! Go for a walk! Listen to a radio program! Paint a room that needs painting! Re-wicker a chair for heavens sake.

    aren't your lives and days pretty much the same everyday?

    Is my life the same every day? NO! Even though I do many of the same things day in and day out, there are constant variations on the theme, not unlike a sitcom.
    I don't begrudge you your television programs, but your post is the singular most depressing thing I've read in a while. When you're on your deathbed, you won't be thinking about that episode of Scrubs where they mix up 2 patient's bloodtypes, with hilarious consequences. For your own good man, re-read your post. It does not sound like you know what to do with your free time if the activity doesn't involve television. I beg of you, do it. Go one week without TV, just to spite me, and prove me wrong.

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    "Inattention makes clowns of us all" -Bean
  299. I turned it off this week, does that count? by cjmnews · · Score: 1
    Most of my shows were reruns or not on this week, so I turned off my TV this week. Heck my TV was off for most of March (due to reruns) as well. I hope this counts as my "week" of TV turned off. Next week looks like all new shows.

    So what did I do with all that time?
    • finished Neverwinter Nights : Shadows Of Unrentide
    • shopped for stuff online
    • beat Baldur's Gate : Dark Alliance II in Extreme mode with a necromancer.
    • experimented with new (to me) technologies that I may want to use for my brother's web site.
    • read more of the Wheel of Time series (book 8 of 10)
    • Updated to a new version of Audacity
    • Updated to the latest Gaim version
    • Improved my Photoshop skills
    There's lots of things to do beside watch reruns!
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    You can lose something that is loose, so tighten the loose item so you don't lose it.
  300. Every week is bash TV with a sledgehammer week by br0d · · Score: 1

    I guess the simple explanation for why I don't watch TV (as opposed to my extended 'subversion manifesto') is because I just really don't give a shit what a handful of self centered primadonnas in LA and NYC are doing at any given point in time. I wasn't born for them. For some reason I just plain outgrew that vicariousness when I moved out from under my dad's roof. Just left it behind. No idea why--oh wait, yes I do--because it's unnatural and evil 20th century stupidity. Remember kids, every week bash televisions with a sledgehammer week. http://boole.org/breakshit/Breakshit_Versus_SOAD.a vi

  301. National self-congratulatory superiority week by andy@petdance.com · · Score: 1, Insightful
    TV is not a problem in itself. TV no more causes obesity and low attention spans than Judas Priest songs cause kids to kill themselves.

    Why is it anti-TV? Why does everything have to be anti-something? Why do we need a scapegoat for the ills?

    One of the flyers says

    As an organizer, one of the questions that you will hear most frequently is: "But what will I/we do instead?" The answer, of course, is: Almost anything!
    This just shows that TV-turnoff is a solution in search of a problem. Why not pro-flower-picking week? Or national Read A Book Week? How about promoting the positive instead of pissing on what is seen as a negative?

    And why in the world pick on a given medium of communication? You might as well have National Anti-Email Day, or The Great Week Without Magazines. You can't compare content on The Apprentice to the Powerpuff Girls to NOVA to Wall Street Week to Trading Spaces. TV is just a medium.

    This whole thing smells like a lot of people who want to get together to tell the world how much better they are than everyone else.

  302. TV worth turning on by Zhe+Mappel · · Score: 0, Redundant
    Yeah, I hate my TV, too, but the remedy isn't turning it off completely. You leave it off until the right things come on:

    HBO's Sopranos and Deadwood - Drama for grown ups. Both explore the dark side of the American myth with intelligence and wit.

    HBO's Curb Your Enthusiasm - Larry David is the funniest misanthrope alive. Reminiscent of, but better than, Seinfeld.

    Comedy Central's Daily Show - The Onion on TV. The pinnacle of televised satire in the US. So good it could drive SNL's writers to suicide.

    News World International - Sick of corporate US news produced by and for good little robots? For $5 extra per month, get your TV news from Europe and Canada instead; their journalists are allowed to think. (Hurry: this gem is up for sale thanks to the Vivendi meltdown. Expect it to be bought and ruined some time this year.)

    PBS' NOW with Bill Moyers - Catch the remaining appearances by this cultural icon, who, better late than never, has developed a passionately critical outlook on society and government. Watch Moyers make up for lost time spent serving the establishment.

    G4 - Guilty pleasure time: Rediscover your misspent youth watching video footage of arcade classics. Ah, you were going to be young forever, weren't you... ;-)

  303. idiot box by neko9 · · Score: 1

    i don't watch tv for over a year now. cable with more than 50 channels... using that "idiot box" for computers, consoles, vhs... why still got cable? because of the internet. i get all my information and entertainment there. i even work there... :-)

  304. Just like every week. by Vinnie_333 · · Score: 1

    Since just about EVERY program on TV nowadays is total crap, every week is "Turn off MY TV Week". The only problem I have is talking with people at work; all they have to talk about is Survivor or who Donny Trump fired.

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    "We shall party like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean." - HedonismBot
  305. Television is for sheep bleat bleat bleat by br0d · · Score: 1

    Broadcast entertainment and mass media were not invented by people I know, they are not run by people I know, and the people who DO participate in that subculture could give a shit whether I live or die. I have to say that it is most certainly in my nature to return that same favor of apathy toward their lives. This is not revolutionary, this is innate. I'm not looking for a life filled with a subliminally seeded, one-way administration of reality at the hands of a few people who have hoarded communications channels and slowly made ubiquitous their own free time standards and folkways...these are all activities which I personally never asked for or agreed to. And yet people act like you're insane when you think this way, as if the act of reducing subversive stranger influence in your life is some sort of blasphemy or coup, instead of something natural and protective of one's own mind, and one's RIGHT. What fascinates me is that people are born without this "apathetic reciprocity" gene I possess, or else they must suppress it. They lack the ability to overcome their self-subjugation by this pseudo-zeitgeist, or to live as authentically as possible. Telvision doesn't map into an authentic life. In the final drill, you will not have an identity. Who am I? You will say. And you will never know, because you have been stripped of it by those who desired to co-opt the products of your body and mind and add them to their personal wealth. Sheep. Bleat. The bottom line is that you are the product, and when you strip away all of the suspicious memories, laughs, and entertainment, the extract which remains consists only of your most emotionally vulnerable moments being devoted to the subliminal impression management of a band of depersonalizing, ruthless "cheshire cat" strangers, and on the whole I think our 21st century world would be better off without this outdated, condescending undirectional TV nemesis. I love to break them with hammers.

    1. Re:Television is for sheep bleat bleat bleat by PhoenixFlare · · Score: 1

      I would just like to interject into your little rant here, and let you that, for the last 2 years now, I have not watched and do not watch ANY TV, excluding random stuff that I download.

      There are probably only 3 or 4 channels I actually like, and I refuse to pay Time Warner another $50/month for channels I will never use.

      That said, there is value in some TV programming, and as I tried to say before, insulting people and calling them idiots simply because they don't abstain completely is itself idiotic.

    2. Re:Television is for sheep bleat bleat bleat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What you fail to realize is that in your rush to judge those who watch and program TV you are also not behaving in a manner that fits into an "authentic" lifestyle. Try wrapping your braing around that one, genious.

  306. I don't own a TV by DaCool42 · · Score: 1

    And I don't want one. 99% of the stuff on TV is garbage anyway. I used to watch a lot of TV. I would encourage everyone to shut it off. You won't miss it a bit. You'll have way more time for important things. At least cancel your cable and use it only for movies. Since ditching TV, I have even gotten a GIRLFRIEND! Yes, it can happen to slashdotters! So just ask yourself, would you rather be watching TV or going rollerblading by the ocean with a cute girl?

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  307. Tvio /. articles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I feed my computer video card output into the tvio and automatically script a scroll through the posts.

    This gets recorded to tvio's disk.

    Later, when I watch the /. article back on tv, tvio skipps all of the troll / lame posts....

    1. Re:Tvio /. articles by jaymz-sid · · Score: 1

      A 'f&^@ing lame' moderator option would come in handy here.

  308. Don't be THAT GUY by silkySlim · · Score: 2
    For all those "I don't watch TV already" posters, this is YOU:

    Area Man Constantly Mentioning He Doesn't Own A Television

    CHAPEL HILL, NC--Area resident Jonathan Green does not own a television, a fact he repeatedly points out to friends, family, and coworkers--as well as to his mailman, neighborhood convenience-store clerks, and the man who cleans the hallways in his apartment building....</snip>

    You are annoying.

  309. Well, by pmsyyz · · Score: 1

    I guess I could turn it off and just bittorrent the tv shows.

    http://tvt.milfclan.com/

    http://www.torrents.co.uk/

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  310. Re: Your Sig by egarland · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    >Support our troops: Elect a responsible president!

    Right you are! Re-elect Bush in 2004!

    That's what makes that comment so fun. It's true no matter what side you are on.

    Most people don't think Bush has been responsible with the lives of american troups though. A lot of dedicated patriotic people join the military to defend their country. We owe it to them to not elect someone who will get so many of them killed for so little.

    Unless you die soon, Bush raised your taxes!

    If you increase spending you are either increasing taxes now or later since all spending is paid for by taxes. Since he didn't increase them now, he essentially increased them later.

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  311. So, so true. by MtViewGuy · · Score: 1

    Indeed, why become a slave to the idiot box most of the time when you can instead have the truly interactive Internet coming to you at very fast speeds when you have broadband?

    What is happening nowadays is that with the proliferation especially of pre-recorded videos of movies and (ironically) TV shows on DVD people are watching a lot less TV then they used to be. And viewers are much more discriminating on what they do watch.

    If you're read Alvin Toffler's prophetic book The Third Wave he predicted that as communications technology improves the audience for television will severely fragment; with today's broadband Internet, 60-plus channel cable TV systems, 200-plus channel satellite TV systems, and modern means to store prerecorded videos on videocassette and DVD, no wonder why people aren't slaves to TV schedules anymore.

  312. No problem! by obsoletemind · · Score: 0

    Thats not a problem at all - TV SUCKS!

  313. No TV All Week? by Trent+Polack · · Score: 1

    Fuck that, two new episodes of 24 and a new episode of Smallville.

    No way in hell my TV is getting turned off for those.

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    1. Re:No TV All Week? by Kizzle · · Score: 1

      No need, I can tell you what happens. Jack get's captured and Clark kills some anti-social super bad guy.

  314. Just have self-control by ziggles · · Score: 1

    I watch two or three shows a week, at most. Obviously it's not the most productive thing I could be doing with my time, but uh.. anyone that's trying to maximize their productivity 24 hours a day is going to drop dead in 5 years. I'm not going to stop watching the shows I want to watch because of some internet campaign. It's just another group of people trying to control you, except they're worse than TV because they claim to be saving you from something evil.

  315. If I don't ask, how will I find out the answer? by NDPTAL85 · · Score: 1

    I spent four years at a boarding high school. There were TV's only in the common areas meaning most of the time one could not watch what you wanted to watch.

    It was hell.

    Fortunately it was a co-ed campus and there were a lot of classes to keep us busy.

    What if you don't LIKE your family? How many teens want to sit down with their family after dinner instead of hanging out with their friends? What if your marriage isn't brilliantly stimulating? I'll garuntee you if you keep talking to your wife a lot you'll be divorced it will lead to divorce. TV has probably saved more marriages than anything else. If one person can't take the lack of attention it just proves they were incompatible. Couch patatoes should marry other couch potatoes and busy bodies should marry other busy bodies. BTW most commercial segments are a lot longer than 2.5 minutes, sometimes its as long as 5 minutes. Crossword puzzles are boring. Walking without a destination is boring. Radio talk shows are mostly boring. I hire painters I don't do that myself. Ok so you want someone to re-wicker a chair instead of watching a TV program? What have we regressed 100 years or something? When I am on my deathbed, I want my TV ON and my remote in my hands!

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    1. Re:If I don't ask, how will I find out the answer? by mopomi · · Score: 1
      What if your marriage isn't brilliantly stimulating? I'll garuntee you if you keep talking to your wife a lot you'll be divorced it will lead to divorce. TV has probably saved more marriages than anything else. If one person can't take the lack of attention it just proves they were incompatible.

      If a marriage isn't at all stimulating, it's already lost--regardless of whether the people stay together. The TV you are talking about doesn't "save" marriages, it just provides an easy escape from marriage. Talking to my wife is likely the BEST way to keep my marriage intact and worthwhile.

      If, in 16 years, my son wants to hang out with his friends instead of us, that's fine, as long as I've had some influence on his decision making skills, I'm fine with his decisions--I have a much better chance of influencing him if he doesn't watch TV and instead interacts with me.

      Crossword puzzles are challenging. Walking isn't about a destination, it's about the walk--I can look at my neighbors' houses, I can say, "hi" to my neighbors, I can show my son the horses in the pasture nearby, I can do all of this and get exercise (!).

      Why is spending a little bit of time doing something other than watching a mind-numbing array of television shows "regression"? Someone has to re-wicker that chair--either I pay for it or I do it myself. If I do it myself instead of watching TV, I've saved even more (didn't have to pay for the electricity to watch TV, and I saved on the chair).

    2. Re:If I don't ask, how will I find out the answer? by NDPTAL85 · · Score: 1

      I find interacting with family members mind numbing and television stimulating. If all you have is network TV thats fine, but cable TV has all sorts of interesting channels and shows to watch. Really only malcontents can't find satisfaction in television. Its always the new agey folks who want to change the world and the way the world lives. Its like the homeschooling phenomenon. I don't argue that it gets better grades but man is something lost in the process. Grades aren't everything.

      If you are walking down your own street you've already seen it a thousand times before. Why do you need to look at every house on your street again and again and again? How is that NOT mind numbing in opposition to television?

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    3. Re:If I don't ask, how will I find out the answer? by mopomi · · Score: 1
      Well, I tried, but I guess I can't expect to explain this to someone who finds real people less stimulating than contrived situations (!!!).

      Where do you get the idea that no TV is, "new agey"? Humans have been around for tens of thousands of years, and TV has only been around for what, a little over 50 years? Hmm. . . I think you've got it backwards.

      Malcontent? It seems to me that I'm quite content with my life and my place in life.

      My street constantly changes, if not because of what the neighbors are doing, because of the seasonal change, what the birds bring and leave, what new neighbors move in, what neighbors have a new kid, who is moving, who is caring for their yard, who isn't, etc. I find real people and real life much more interesting than commercials and fake situations with laugh tracks.

    4. Re:If I don't ask, how will I find out the answer? by NDPTAL85 · · Score: 1

      So because we've done something for thousands and thousands of years we have to stay that way? So why bother with medicine or building codes? People have been dying and building shanty towns for thousands of years. TV is an ADVANCEMENT over sitting around the camp fire and waiting for the latest boring ass "oral history". If TV wasn't better than those older forms of entertainment wouldn't have died out.

      Once you've seen all four seasons once, you've seen em all. Birds are the same year in year out. Neighbors are people and people are the same kids or no kids. Once you've seen a neighbor move in/out once you've seen it all. Once you've seen a unkept/kept yard you've seen em all. Real people and situations are sometimes interesting, but on television you have paid professionals dedicated to entertaining you. Either they do so or they get fired due to low ratings.

      Unless you have enough clout in your own neighborhood to get everyone to break out into a jig when you clap your hands together and shout "DANCE!" then I'm afraid reality can't compare.

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    5. Re:If I don't ask, how will I find out the answer? by mopomi · · Score: 1

      So because we've done something for thousands and thousands of years we have to stay that way?
      No, but to say something is "new" when it's the exact opposite is silly. Not watching TV is something that has been around much longer than watching TV. Watching television has been directly linked to ADD/ADHD in children Howard University (does this sound familiar to you?); it's been linked to obeisity (e.g., http://www.zonalatina.com/Zldata285.htm ), which is directly related to heart disease and other nasty things that kill you much earlier than you really need to die. I'm not interested in that--that's one of the reasons I don't watch TV. You are welcome to watch TV, I don't care what you do with your life. /. is just a place to discuss things, so I'm discussing things.

      TV is a technology built on our advanced (relatively) knowledge of the way the physical world works (and our ability to manipulate said world). However, just because something is new doesn't mean it should be used to the exclusion of everything else. If it's *better* than anything else, then there may be an argument that it should be used, but in my mind, TV is not better than sitting around a camp fire talking with my friends. I get outside, I hang out with my friends, I get to look up at the stars, there's little that's better than that. . .

      TV is fine for some people, but I prefer interaction with other people. I prefer being outside, playing ball, walking, riding my bike, reading, talking, swimming, doing things that keep me healthy and happy.

      Once you've seen all four seasons once, you've seen em all.
      Now, I know you're a troll, but you're a sad, sad troll.
      Real people and situations are sometimes interesting, but on television you have paid professionals dedicated to entertaining you.
      If you really believe that everything on TV is entertaining, you really, really need to find an imagination. Once you've seen one crappy sitcom, you've seen them all. . .

      Have fun watching TV. I'm going back to my life.

  316. TVTURNOFF Week = DMCA Violation by kaltkalt · · Score: 2, Funny

    As well as tortious interference with pre-existing contract. I'm quite sure that consumers watching tv is the basis for the business model of TV networks. Telling people to not watch their TVs interferes with that business model. Clearly those who buy TVs have an implied contract to watch them (and the commercials). Since interference with a business model when electricity is somehow involved (e.g. electronic devices) is a DMCA violation, this is a DMCA violation. Also, tortious interference with contract. Let the lawsuits begin. Sadly I'm only half kidding.

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  317. The watcher, not the watched by cavebear42 · · Score: 1

    I'm sad to see that so many posters are slaves to their mediums. I can think deeply about all the content which I receive, regardless of how it was transmitted. I have the ability to examine the mother-daughter relationship in Gilmore girls (TV), or the glass menagerie (live theater), or the scarlet letter (novel). I have seen/read all of the above and I have the ability to examine the differences.

    As one other poster stated, you can drift off doing anything. I don't see this as being either good or bad but it is true.

    Active or passive engagement in any activity is at the sole discretion of the person engaging in it. You could sit watching NYPD Blue or Taking Lives and just wonder what will happen and await the conclusion, or you could actively engage your mind in figuring out the end. Further, you could watch football and just wonder when the home team will go back on offence and if they will throw or run this play or you could actively consider the game and put yourself in the coaches place. Slowing down the process by using a slower way of transferring data doesn't make the data worth more.

    If not for commercials, most people would not know that there was a bow-flex or a ginsu knife. This does help promote consumerism.

    The jury's of 50 years ago would have no concept of what was going on in the courtroom around them. just a lot of long words and what not. Thanks to Court TV, OJ Simpson, and Law & Order, people at least have an idea of what is going on beyond what is actually told to them. Do you think that the jurors you served with chose the best ending for the story or did they choose what they thought was right? I don't think that educating the populous is such a bad thing.

  318. But.. by stfvon007 · · Score: 1

    Does that happen when someone is doing something while watching TV, or is it only when the person is just watching TV and doing nothing else? I use a video capture card and have my shows in the corner of my computer screen while I am surfing the net, posing on slashdot, ect. I keep myself engaged while watching TV.

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  319. Can you go negative??? by TrentC · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My wife and I have not had cable for nigh upon 5 years now; we have a TV, but it's got a DVD, VCR and Gamecube hooked up to it.

    Netflix has allowed me to watch TV shows that I'm interested in at my pace. A couple of episodes of Smallville here, some Stargate SG-1 there, etc. etc. We're also getting caught up on the movies that we missed in the theaters (mainly stuff that appeals to her than to me...) Other than that, the TV isn't on. I get my news from the radio, the local newspaper and Google News.

    Instead, I read. And surf the net. And use Safari to "check out" books on subjects I'm interested in, to see if I want to buy them.

    There are all sorts of things you can do if you're not sitting in front of the TV. For every amazing new TV show that's out there, there's probably an equally amazing comic, or novel, or movie. (And don't get me started on the crap that some people feel like wasting precious hours of their lives on...)

    Jay (=

  320. You have Alpha & Beta waves mixed up. by Valdrax · · Score: 1

    The funny thing is, the way the picture is displayed seems to hypnotize people. Scientific studies have shown that, within about 10 seconds of watching TV, the brain slips out of alpha waves and into beta waves (like you're sleeping).

    You've got that backwards. TV engages alpha and theta wave patterns. Reading a book engages beta waves. Alpha waves tend to indicate dreaming and sleep. Theta waves tend to indicate strong emotional and intuitive responses. Together they do contribute to intelligence and creativity, but when the left brain is disengaged, they basically equal a passive, trance state. Beta waves are indicative of concentration and activity. Excessive theta and minimized beta is common in sufferers of ADHD when they're being distracted.

    The assertion that alpha/theta wave activity increases is based on research done by Dr. Thomas Mullholland back in the 70s. He expected to see an oscillation between alpha and beta wave activity as kids watched their favorite shows but found no beta waves at all. Kids stayed spaced out through an entire show. Their minds resembled that of someone in a hypnotic trance.

    One last thought. Advertisers have been aware of this for years and are even now funding more research into neurosciences for the purpose of "building strong brand loyalty" -- in other words, brainwashing.

    TV is sleep teaching.

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    1. Re:You have Alpha & Beta waves mixed up. by SurgeonGeneral · · Score: 1

      Thank you very much for that, I did not realize I had my facts incorrect.

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  321. It should be done during Nielsen Sweeps week. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you want to have an impact, do it when it matters. Otherwise, what's the point?

  322. I gave up TV for a few months... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It just sat there. I think I played a couple video games on it once or twice. I was busy with work, reading, and of course, computer stuff.

    I now watch about two shows a week (Smallville and Enterprise), usually taped and watched later so I can blaze through commercials.

    I didn't really notice a great deal of anything when I gave up TV, except that I had more free time. Sometimes I had a better use for the time, sometimes not.

    I guess this would be really helpful for the sorely addicted, who watch show after show because they are there- but much of /. isn't about this, so giving it up for a week probably means giving up the couple shows that, for whatever reason, you deem fit to watch.

    I also watch a lot more TV when I hang around with friends, because normal people tend to leave it on as a constant background to their activities (as constant as the whir of my computer fan).

    I dunno, when I was young I would watch TV for hours. It would suck the day away sometimes.

  323. Are you insane? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Crap, the next episode of Enterprise is finally airing that week ... you think I'm going to miss finding out if the ship is destroyed, or if Archer is gay or whatever because of some arbitrary week? Luckily the new Simpsons where Matt Groening guest starts for the first time is on the 18th ... Friends is also on after a long break ... and there's all that other coverage of the ....

    Hmmmm.... maybe I do need a week off from the tube. Point taken. ;-)

  324. strange... not in the news.... by iamhassi · · Score: 2, Funny
    "Next week (April 19th - 25th 2004) is National TV Turn Off Week in the USA."

    odd... didn't see that reported on the news tonight... I'll watch again at 10, maybe it'll be on the late news.

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  325. Every day is TV Turn Off for me. by Amon+CMB · · Score: 1

    I never watch TV, and I can't say I regret it. The internet is far more intellectually stimulating (discounting Discovery, History channels, et al)

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  326. Someone please explain by |/|/||| · · Score: 2, Interesting
    What I want to know is how the hell anyone has time to watch TV. How? By the time I get home from work, I have 4 or 5 hours before I have to go to bed - and I spend at least an hour or two doing chores, making dinner, washing dishes, etc. That leaves me with 3 hours a day of recreation time. There's no way I'm going to waste any of it watching TV. I've already got a lifetime's worth of projects started, but even if I'm just drinking a beer and relaxing I don't want to be sitting in front of a TV - it just draws your attention and sucks up your time. Is everyone else unemployed? Who are these people that watch hours of television every day? Do they do nothing but work, sleep, and watch TV?

    How I spend my time doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things, but the last thing I need is a time sink just for the sake of wasting time.

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  327. Going to be easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Going to be easy for a no tv week since Directv is shutting down all service to the HU card!

    RIP HU

    d

  328. Yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used to defend television. But as the years pass I notice more and more great shows that don't make it off the ground before being canceled. Replaced by the absurdly titled "reality" TV. There are still great shows that surpass the cinemaplex every week, but they are few and far between.

    But I still get a laugh everytime I read about someone giving up their TV only to discover all this magical free time in their lives. Giving up your TV will tell you exactly one thing, "do I have self control?" Give up your TV for a month. If you love it, great, now put the TV back in your living room, set the remote control on the coffee table, and don't watch *any* TV for another month. If you can do that, feel free to watch as much TV as you want, you don't have a problem. But if you can't do that, if removing the television from your home is the only way you can keep from watching it, you have serious problems that go far beyond being a couch potato. The problem isn't the TV, the problem is you.

  329. But what about my poor Tivo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't stop watching TV for a week, my Tivo doesn't have that much memory!

  330. Great timing... School vacation week by dickens · · Score: 1

    making it that much more of a challenge.

    Hmm... might have to arrange a little malfunction...

    The weather's going to be great. Time for a Geocaching marathon!

  331. National Dark-Sky Week, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Next week (April 19th - 25th) is also National Dark-Sky Week

    So turn off your outdoor lights, too.

  332. Doesn't matter... by Ikester8 · · Score: 1

    I haven't watch TV in weeks. Inevitably, though, someone will ask, "Did you see *** last night?" I say, no, so they proceed to tell me all about it. To think we'd have nothing to talk about otherwise...

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  333. Nothing Wrong with TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is nothing wrong with television. It is simply an entertainment medium, which proves entertainment to millions worldwide. If you don't like what you see on it, use your right to change the channel, or turn it off.

  334. character names ARE HARD to make up!!! by snooo53 · · Score: 1
    I have to say I completely understand where they're coming from.... good character names for stories are hard to make up!!! You can't have something too exotic or unpronounceable; otherwise it's hard to really get into the story. They can't be too mundane, they can't be too rediculous... well unless you're like Douglas Adams or Neil Stephenson (ie. Ford Prefect and Hiro Protagonist). W

    When I end up writing I usually just put an initial for the characters names until I can think of something that really fits. If I in my years of creative wisdom can't come up with something I'm certainly not suprised that a 6 year old is using tv characters

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  335. web site design by greystormcloud · · Score: 1

    For those television addicted visual freaks adbusters have a much better designed turn off your tv week web site. you have to hand it to the adbusters mob, when it comes to the anti-commericalism crowd they take the cake in design and creativity.

  336. Why now? by Puppet+Master · · Score: 1
    During the last few weeks of re-runs that would have been great.
    In fact I didn't watch much TV during that time. Now we're down to the last 5 episodes of Angel...
    I'm not missing that.

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  337. White Dot by tim_abell · · Score: 1

    There's an organisation dedicated to turning off tv called White Dot. Unfortunately the web site is a bit naff, but the reason I mention them is they managed to broadcast a very powerfull half hour show on the bbc promoting their cause.

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  338. LOUD Commercials by superyooser · · Score: 1

    Did you put the commercials in all caps because of their volume? I don't watch much TV anymore, but when I do I've noticed that the commercials are sometimes louder than the programs. The program's audio will be kind of dull, and then the commercial comes on with BLARINGLY LOUD, bright, in-your-face audio. It doesn't help that the spoken words are increasingly shrill. I know TV didn't used to be that way. Has anybody else noticed this change? Maybe it's only during certain programs or on certain stations.

  339. Re:Or...just watch GOOD TV. Dont forget! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dont forget programming horribly half assed shit fucking sequals to great games!

    You fucking loser.