Those who want to use Cedega, but not pay the licensing fee, can just use the CVS tree download from the transgaming website, that comes free and no subscription required. All that is missing is the point2play system and their installer. What is to stop people packaging up the CVS version and distributing that instead?
IMHO the fact that they provide a CVS version negates the requirement to go and pirate it anyway.
who says that the use of open source software goes hand in hand with undercutting jobs ?
That is nonsense and the kind of FUD I thought only came from Microsoft. There is absolutely no rule whatsoever that Open Source software is any different from proprietary software when it comes to employing people to do jobs. In fact specifically when it comes to governments, its conceivable that it might create jobs due to the specialist kinds of systems that a government needs to employ and use.
In addition to this I think that it is good practice for democratically elected governments to be using software that they control and can be publically audited; Id rather this than they be at the beck and call of a corporation liable to change its software at any whim. After all, its your taxpayers money that is paying for it.
why do you even care what other people do with their computers?
I care because I dont like to see peoples trust abused, I dont like to think of people using a flawed product that they paid good money for. I dont like to see people suffering with viruses, pop-up advertising and spyware.
I would be happy to see my friends using a product that offered freedom from these things, and that I wouldnt be needed from time to time to make damn sure the keep their systems patched. Most people are not very religious at keeping up to speed on this.
I care because my Apache logs are routinely full of IIS worm/virus variants requesting non existant files and thats stealing my bandwidth.
I care because of spam, and self executing emails propogating through outlook express that end up in my email box.
The point that I am making is that there are many very real reasons for non-windows users to care what their friends are using, and they are not neccesarily just because of Microsoft hatred or Linux zealotry. Is due to a genuine desire to make their lifes and our lifes and the lives of others better, not just for now but for the future.
Actually linux support of wifi devices is pretty good these days. In fact you will find vendors that sell WiFi routers running embedded linux, at the heart of many WiFi networks. Id say that proves linux suitability for WiFi applications.
As with any purchase of computer peripherals for any operating system, Windows, MacOS and whatever one should always check for compatibility. I recently tried my D-Link usb WiFi dongle with an old desktop pc running Mandrake 10, and was impressed to see that "It Just Works".
Picking out specific instances of specific hardware really is not making any points. I am sure there are plenty mac or windows hardware/software combinations that are impossible or difficult to set up. The nice thing about linux though is the availability of source code, fixes and patches, that might mean on other oses/hardware might require an expensive software or hardware upgrade.
So if you go out and purchase hardware that says "Windows" on the box, dont expect it to work on your Commodore64. There is a wonderful tool called Google, it pays to do your research before going out and blindly buying peripherals.You dont need to be an IT professional to do that.
I just don't understand why people physically hate a company that did a good job marketing their product...
I think the problem is rather more than just "doing a good job of marketing their product" it is far far deeper than that aside from the halloween documents which highlight their track record of unfair practices by chastising OEM's who offer alternative operating systems, and by forcing their operating system on consumers they are removing their rights. Maybe the fact that their operating system is inherently insecure, and riddled with viruses, solutions they will then sell you to patch the holes they left there in the first place. Or maybe its vendor lock-in, or their embrace and extend policies on open standards. I think the anti-microsoft crowd have a lot more despise for these kinds of tactics than their marketing machine.
I agree, Microsoft may publically say that Linux is no threat, but the truth is that if they didnt take it as seriously as they do Linux adoption would probably be happening at a faster pace than it already is. In reality linux will continue to grow exponentially until no amount of fud will be good enough. In short sooner or later Microsoft wont be able to conteract its momentum any more. That will be the time we will see some shifts in their policies towards Linux and Open Source.. As the old saying goes... If you can't beat 'em , join 'em...
A lot of people who have used linux for any great length of time dont look back. Why ? Because of one simple thing trust. It can only continue to grow, linux userbase just keeps getting bigger.
I cant help but think that SCO should have set their *cough*blackmail*cough urm.. licences to something extremely low (say in the region of dollars). They actually might have been able to persuade more people of their *cough*lies*cough* ahem... cause. This may actually of helped back up their campaign in court. As it happens its clear that they are bent on only one thing... self destruction... And I think the world will be a slightly better place without them.
Anyone care to speculate on the possible benefits for Microsoft if this happens? Since Sun are now sleeping with the boys from Redmond, there must be an alterior motive here... must there not ?
Dont know who modded you redundant but that is a very valid point. If I had moderator access i'd mod you up. Id also go so far as to say that Microsoft is in the process of cloning existing technology.
And when were search engines granted protections for their technical operational model, anyway? What's next? All pages must be valid HTML4.01 STRICT so that crawler parsers can run faster? Stupid stupid stupid.
Yes it would be stupid to do that, but deep inside im thinking that would be an excellent way to get web developers to produce compliant websites. It might even force Microsoft to make IE compliant.
SID chip was developed in 1981 and is still produced
Are you sure the Sid chip is still produced?
Reason i ask is that these people Sidstation claim to have access to the only remaining stocks of the sidchip which they are using to build their Sidstation "Groove Box" . So... If you know where I can buy a bucketload of sid chips id sure like to know...
I'm seriously considering recommending Mandrake 10 to my mom
About a year ago, my mums Windows PC was well past its Bi-Annual FDisk. Mum asked to try Linux because she wanted to know why I never had BSOD's , crashes and Pop-up windows (amongst other things) My stock retort for so long had been , oh thats a feature of windows Im afraid. Id already got her using Firefox instead of IE which helped, but she wanted more, I trialled her with Knoppix live CD, and gave her a quick lesson on where everything is, That was all I needed to do, she took to it like a duck to water.
When the Reformat came this time I dual booted her into Windows and Mandrake 10. She has a choice. As it happens she routinely boots into linux, and I rarely hear a peep out of her, no complaints at all. The cherry on the cake is when on the rare occaision she boots into windows to use her family tree program; its not uncommon to hear her muttering how she hates windows, It brings a smile to my face every time.
She uses linux for web-browsing, word processing,printing, scanning, Checking her email and just about everything she used to do in windows. She's even found entertainment in the form of frozen bubble and Shizen Shoe.
My mum is retired and in her mid 60's. And best of all she rarely asks me for help or has any problems. My mum has a choice of windows and linux and she chooses linux 99% of the time, Id also like to add that I made a point of not pushing her in any direction. She uses linux because it works better for her.
While I agree wholeheartedly with that comment. Since when have games (ignoring stuff like minefield and freecell of which there are many superior linux versions); Since when have games had anything to do with "The Desktop" ? Most, Video games in general overtake the desktop and have their own user interface. While it is a fair comment about lack of games for linux, it has jack all to do with linux readiness for the desktop.
Yes, but not so for PS1/PS2 --> ???PS3? reason being that in the PS2 the PS1 is to all intents and purposes done via emulation (probably with the aid of some additional clever chips)
I must admit, that despite the many doubters who have posted articles on slashdot regarding Novell. The more I read about their plans and beliefs I am beginning to warm to their current direction. I hope that Novell continue to follow this path in such an amiable way....
Id always advocate an open source voting system. It seems that it ought to be imperitive that any electronic voting system can be audited publically to reveal any flaws or biases. However, it seems to me that either way even with an open source system how would one prove that the system used during the electing / voting process is the same as the one being available for public audit?
And how to acertain that those running the system did or did not bias or effect the results in some way?
Maybe electronic voting isnt such a good idea at all? Maybe the safer option is to stick with a paper based situation that cannot easily be fudged ? (that is not to say that a paper based system is also not open to fudging...)
Whatever way, and whatever flaws, the public should have unfettered access to every part of the process at least to the extent that nothing is hidden. Open source and closed source are just as open to abuse as is a paper based system. As much of it remains examinable the better in my opinion.
An interesting point, it just so happens that the Un*x philosophy is such that compatibility happens as a matter of course; even if that wasnt the intention.
While this game may or may not be something to be desired one can hardly accuse Sony of releasing un-original games. Quiet the opposite in fact I have come accross many unusual titles for PS2.
Only a few days here on Slashdot we had Katamari Damacy
http://ps2.gamezone.com/gamesell/p24539.htm
Of course who could forget The Eye Toy
and what about something for the ladies ? (rez vibrator!)
Slashdot Mirror
Those who want to use Cedega, but not pay the licensing fee, can just use the CVS tree download from the transgaming website, that comes free and no subscription required. All that is missing is the point2play system and their installer. What is to stop people packaging up the CVS version and distributing that instead?
IMHO the fact that they provide a CVS version negates the requirement to go and pirate it anyway.
Nick...
I was thinking more of Gilliams "Brazil", myself.
..
nick
who says that the use of open source software goes hand in hand with undercutting jobs ?
That is nonsense and the kind of FUD I thought only came from Microsoft. There is absolutely no rule whatsoever that Open Source software is any different from proprietary software when it comes to employing people to do jobs. In fact specifically when it comes to governments, its conceivable that it might create jobs due to the specialist kinds of systems that a government needs to employ and use.
In addition to this I think that it is good practice for democratically elected governments to be using software that they control and can be publically audited; Id rather this than they be at the beck and call of a corporation liable to change its software at any whim. After all, its your taxpayers money that is paying for it.
Looks pretty good .. Appears to be links to a Linux Package (SDK maybe ?)
m l
..
http://www.aruze.com/ir/16_linux/global/info.ht
Time to get coding !
Nick
Presumably that means we can expect Linux to be garnered with an influx of arcade quality, native games now.
why do you even care what other people do with their computers?
I care because I dont like to see peoples trust abused, I dont like to think of people using a flawed product that they paid good money for. I dont like to see people suffering with viruses, pop-up advertising and spyware.
I would be happy to see my friends using a product that offered freedom from these things, and that I wouldnt be needed from time to time to make damn sure the keep their systems patched. Most people are not very religious at keeping up to speed on this.
I care because my Apache logs are routinely full of IIS worm/virus variants requesting non existant files and thats stealing my bandwidth.
I care because of spam, and self executing emails propogating through outlook express that end up in my email box.
The point that I am making is that there are many very real reasons for non-windows users to care what their friends are using, and they are not neccesarily just because of Microsoft hatred or Linux zealotry. Is due to a genuine desire to make their lifes and our lifes and the lives of others better, not just for now but for the future.
Actually linux support of wifi devices is pretty good these days. In fact you will find vendors that sell WiFi routers running embedded linux, at the heart of many WiFi networks. Id say that proves linux suitability for WiFi applications.
...
...
As with any purchase of computer peripherals for any operating system, Windows, MacOS and whatever one should always check for compatibility. I recently tried my D-Link usb WiFi dongle with an old desktop pc running Mandrake 10, and was impressed to see that "It Just Works".
Picking out specific instances of specific hardware really is not making any points. I am sure there are plenty mac or windows hardware/software combinations that are impossible or difficult to set up. The nice thing about linux though is the availability of source code, fixes and patches, that might mean on other oses/hardware might require an expensive software or hardware upgrade.
So if you go out and purchase hardware that says "Windows" on the box, dont expect it to work on your Commodore64. There is a wonderful tool called Google, it pays to do your research before going out and blindly buying peripherals.You dont need to be an IT professional to do that.
I just don't understand why people physically hate a company that did a good job marketing their product
I think the problem is rather more than just "doing a good job of marketing their product" it is far far deeper than that aside from the halloween documents which highlight their track record of unfair practices by chastising OEM's who offer alternative operating systems, and by forcing their operating system on consumers they are removing their rights. Maybe the fact that their operating system is inherently insecure, and riddled with viruses, solutions they will then sell you to patch the holes they left there in the first place. Or maybe its vendor lock-in, or their embrace and extend policies on open standards. I think the anti-microsoft crowd have a lot more despise for these kinds of tactics than their marketing machine.
Nick
I agree, Microsoft may publically say that Linux is no threat, but the truth is that if they didnt take it as seriously as they do Linux adoption would probably be happening at a faster pace than it already is. In reality linux will continue to grow exponentially until no amount of fud will be good enough. In short sooner or later Microsoft wont be able to conteract its momentum any more. That will be the time we will see some shifts in their policies towards Linux and Open Source.. As the old saying goes ... If you can't beat 'em , join 'em ...
A lot of people who have used linux for any great length of time dont look back. Why ? Because of one simple thing trust. It can only continue to grow, linux userbase just keeps getting bigger.
I cant help but think that SCO should have set their *cough*blackmail*cough urm .. licences to something extremely low (say in the region of dollars). They actually might have been able to persuade more people of their *cough*lies*cough* ahem ... cause. This may actually of helped back up their campaign in court. As it happens its clear that they are bent on only one thing ... self destruction... And I think the world will be a slightly better place without them.
Anyone care to speculate on the possible benefits for Microsoft if this happens? Since Sun are now sleeping with the boys from Redmond, there must be an alterior motive here... must there not ?
Nick...
Dont know who modded you redundant but that is a very valid point. If I had moderator access i'd mod you up. Id also go so far as to say that Microsoft is in the process of cloning existing technology.
Just as Microsoft has gone through a wrenching transformation from a combative bully to a mature corporate citizen --
...
You have got to love MSNBC's wording !
Nick
And when were search engines granted protections for their technical operational model, anyway? What's next? All pages must be valid HTML4.01 STRICT so that crawler parsers can run faster? Stupid stupid stupid.
... chance is a fine thing ;)
Yes it would be stupid to do that, but deep inside im thinking that would be an excellent way to get web developers to produce compliant websites. It might even force Microsoft to make IE compliant.
But then
SID chip was developed in 1981 and is still produced
...
Are you sure the Sid chip is still produced?
Reason i ask is that these people Sidstation claim to have access to the only remaining stocks of the sidchip which they are using to build their Sidstation "Groove Box" . So... If you know where I can buy a bucketload of sid chips id sure like to know...
Nick
This kinda sounds like the inverse of PHP-GTK, But... could PHP-GTK be used in this way?
...
Nick
I'm seriously considering recommending Mandrake 10 to my mom
,printing, scanning, Checking her email and just about everything she used to do in windows. She's even found entertainment in the form of frozen bubble and Shizen Shoe.
...
About a year ago, my mums Windows PC was well past its Bi-Annual FDisk. Mum asked to try Linux because she wanted to know why I never had BSOD's , crashes and Pop-up windows (amongst other things) My stock retort for so long had been , oh thats a feature of windows Im afraid. Id already got her using Firefox instead of IE which helped, but she wanted more, I trialled her with Knoppix live CD, and gave her a quick lesson on where everything is, That was all I needed to do, she took to it like a duck to water.
When the Reformat came this time I dual booted her into Windows and Mandrake 10. She has a choice. As it happens she routinely boots into linux, and I rarely hear a peep out of her, no complaints at all. The cherry on the cake is when on the rare occaision she boots into windows to use her family tree program; its not uncommon to hear her muttering how she hates windows, It brings a smile to my face every time.
She uses linux for web-browsing, word processing
My mum is retired and in her mid 60's. And best of all she rarely asks me for help or has any problems. My mum has a choice of windows and linux and she chooses linux 99% of the time, Id also like to add that I made a point of not pushing her in any direction. She uses linux because it works better for her.
Nick
There's not enough high-quality games for Linux.
While I agree wholeheartedly with that comment. Since when have games (ignoring stuff like minefield and freecell of which there are many superior linux versions); Since when have games had anything to do with "The Desktop" ? Most, Video games in general overtake the desktop and have their own user interface. While it is a fair comment about lack of games for linux, it has jack all to do with linux readiness for the desktop.
Yes, but not so for PS1/PS2 --> ???PS3? reason being that in the PS2 the PS1 is to all intents and purposes done via emulation (probably with the aid of some additional clever chips)
I must admit, that despite the many doubters who have posted articles on slashdot regarding Novell. The more I read about their plans and beliefs I am beginning to warm to their current direction. I hope that Novell continue to follow this path in such an amiable way....
nick
Id always advocate an open source voting system. It seems that it ought to be imperitive that any electronic voting system can be audited publically to reveal any flaws or biases. However, it seems to me that either way even with an open source system how would one prove that the system used during the electing / voting process is the same as the one being available for public audit?
And how to acertain that those running the system did or did not bias or effect the results in some way?
Maybe electronic voting isnt such a good idea at all? Maybe the safer option is to stick with a paper based situation that cannot easily be fudged ? (that is not to say that a paper based system is also not open to fudging...)
Whatever way, and whatever flaws, the public should have unfettered access to every part of the process at least to the extent that nothing is hidden. Open source and closed source are just as open to abuse as is a paper based system. As much of it remains examinable the better in my opinion.
Nick...
It looks like the Microsoft funding has moved elsewhere. Next in line ? Sun anyone ?
On the subject of viruses does anyone know if MyDoom is behind the spate of ...
503 Service Unavailable
The service is not available. Please try again later.
Errors and slow performance im regularly getting from slashdot ?
Presumable this means that SCO has Run out of money and credibility so Microsoft had lined someone else's pockets in their crusade.
...
Nick
An interesting point, it just so happens that the Un*x philosophy is such that compatibility happens as a matter of course; even if that wasnt the intention.
While this game may or may not be something to be desired one can hardly accuse Sony of releasing un-original games. Quiet the opposite in fact I have come accross many unusual titles for PS2.
/ 26 /sex_in_games_rezvibrator.html
Only a few days here on Slashdot we had Katamari Damacy
http://ps2.gamezone.com/gamesell/p24539.htm
Of course who could forget The Eye Toy
and what about something for the ladies ? (rez vibrator!)
http://www.gamegirladvance.com/archives/2002/10