By the way, I AM the judge of who is innocent. And, you have NO idea how to deal with these real world issues. This isn't Teletubbies, thousands have died.
No shit. And the answer isn't to kill thousands more innocent people.
And, quite frankly, the terrorists didn't view the individuals they killed yesterday as "innocent" either. That's the problem... People like you and the terrorists going around deciding who it's OK to kill.
I've decided that you're not as innocent as anyone the citizens of Afghanistan (just as you've decided they're not as innocent as the citizens of New York). Based on your logic, I can put a bullet through your brain, right?
Since when are you the God damn judge of who is and isn't innocent, asshole?
Just because some GPL fanatics say stupid things, does it mean GPL is bad? Not seeing the logic here...
Not only did he not say that, he didn't even imply it. He seemd to suggest (and I agree) that disassociating himself from the GPL fanatics is a perfectly valid reason to not use the GPL.
There can be plenty of well thought out reasons not to use GPL for a project, but "I
don't like the attitude of its advocates" isn't one of them.
Bull... It's a perfectly legitimate reason. If your project is going to be judged by others due to the zealot advocates of the license you use, that is a perfectly well thought out reason not to use that license.
Perhaps you were flamed off because 3D stuff belongs in XFree86, not in FreeBSD?
Except that if it's a port of the Linux 3D DRI driver for that chipset (as the other 3D DRI drivers under FreeBSD are), it still requires a kernel driver.
Right now, the best Media OS is Windows 2000, both because of its good performance and board hardware support.
I do believe that I said Linux is current the best of the two. In fact, I know I said that. Despite my horrendous grammar, I think my point was clear:-) I never even brought W2K into the discussion.
However, if we're going to discuss Win2K, I have a whole list of other complaints when it comes to Media work that I won't go into here.
Many BeOS users happen to be the latter.
Many BeOS users, such as myself, also happen to have no problems with X.
for KDE-2, even with the obj-prelink extensions, Konqueror takes three or four times as long too start than IE. In fact, EVERY KDE-2 app takes three or four times longer than IE...
Maybe because IE is loaded by the OS when the computer starts? As for Word staring that quickly, that's total BS (at least on my machine).
What kind of graphics card are you running? I'm using a RivaTNT with NVIDIA's drivers, so that's not the problem. (And yes, I've tried the renice -10 hack and the low latency patch and the HZ=1024 hack).
With both my GeForce II and Radeon (the Radeon generally locks up within 10 minutes or so under W2K, too).
Second, BeOS is probably just as well supported as Linux.
It depends on what you mean by support. Generally, I think of hardware support. And in that area BeOS has always lacked.
However, that level of bdevelopment will only compare to what BeOS was in 1998.
Well, that depends on what you want to do with it in terms of media. Capture and edit video? Linux is current the best of the two with more applications and more video capture card support.
But given that BeOS runs a great deal of GNU code (like the entire CLI environment, for example) support on the application level is probably about the same.
Unless you're talking about a CLI network application. If your lucky, you might be able to get it to compile. If your on God's good graces, you might be able to get it to run without bringing down the net server.
OSS-types talk about freedom, but what about those who want to be free of the shackles of X?
And what shackles would that be? The shackles of anti-aliased fonts? The shackles of hardware accelerated 3D (something that BeOS has never really supported for more than the Voodoo cards through glide)?
There are no more troublesome pretenders to the OS throne...
Pretenders to the throne are a good thing... It means that there's competition which, in general, leads to better products. BeoOS had great potential, and could have been the next in line, but Be Inc. dropped the ball.
I've subscribed to the list sporadically... I did a couple months ago, and then again last month. I never stayed on for very long... I subscribed again couple weeks ago (once I finally got what I consider a usable system up and running) and will likely stay subscribed as long as I can handle the amount of traffic. That's how I saw the bit about the Intellimouse patch.
Now, what if you were to drop Kurt (or the list) an e-mail mentioning what you'd like to do to os::Menu and see if he likes those ideas?
I just went from 196 Megs of RAM to 640 Megs of RAM in my machine (which has both Atheos and BeOS installed) and never noticed a slow down when booting.
Since you said this item has been covered before can you point us in the direction of info about this?
Well, I wouldn't sent off a patch to Alan Cox or Linus and expect them to accept it with open arms either...:-) At the very least, I'd check with Kurt before mucking around in that code.
Though I obviously can't speak for Kurt, he doesn't seem the least bit opposed to adding patches from other developers to the UI code. Just this week he added a patch (from another developer) that would allow Intellimouse scroll wheel to libatheos.
It comes with a telnet daemon and you can download an OpenSSH server (and client) for the Operating System. Just because he does plan on supporting a text-mode console doesn't mean Atheos can't have a Terminal:-)
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By the way, I AM the judge of who is innocent. And, you have NO idea how to deal with these real world issues. This isn't Teletubbies, thousands have died.
No shit. And the answer isn't to kill thousands more innocent people.
Dinivin
And, quite frankly, the terrorists didn't view the individuals they killed yesterday as "innocent" either. That's the problem... People like you and the terrorists going around deciding who it's OK to kill.
Dinivin
I've decided that you're not as innocent as anyone the citizens of Afghanistan (just as you've decided they're not as innocent as the citizens of New York). Based on your logic, I can put a bullet through your brain, right?
Since when are you the God damn judge of who is and isn't innocent, asshole?
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Just because some GPL fanatics say stupid things, does it mean GPL is bad? Not seeing the logic here...
Not only did he not say that, he didn't even imply it. He seemd to suggest (and I agree) that disassociating himself from the GPL fanatics is a perfectly valid reason to not use the GPL.
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...then the people doing the judgement are in error.
I never said they weren't...
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There can be plenty of well thought out reasons not to use GPL for a project, but "I don't like the attitude of its advocates" isn't one of them.
Bull... It's a perfectly legitimate reason. If your project is going to be judged by others due to the zealot advocates of the license you use, that is a perfectly well thought out reason not to use that license.
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Scott Backula (Capt. Archer), looks to be even more of a womanizer than Kirk.
:-) And it should definately be Scott Bakula.
I think it's about time that Trek has a male captain who's a manizer (is that even a word).
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Funny... I consider Tad Williams to be one of the best fantasy authors I've ever read.
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Perhaps you were flamed off because 3D stuff belongs in XFree86, not in FreeBSD?
Except that if it's a port of the Linux 3D DRI driver for that chipset (as the other 3D DRI drivers under FreeBSD are), it still requires a kernel driver.
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Read the freakin' article, OK? Sorenson video plays back just fine.
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Right now, the best Media OS is Windows 2000, both because of its good performance and board hardware support.
:-) I never even brought W2K into the discussion.
I do believe that I said Linux is current the best of the two. In fact, I know I said that. Despite my horrendous grammar, I think my point was clear
However, if we're going to discuss Win2K, I have a whole list of other complaints when it comes to Media work that I won't go into here.
Many BeOS users happen to be the latter.
Many BeOS users, such as myself, also happen to have no problems with X.
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Yes, KDE2
...
for KDE-2, even with the obj-prelink extensions, Konqueror takes three or four times as long too start than IE. In fact, EVERY KDE-2 app takes three or four times longer than IE
Maybe because IE is loaded by the OS when the computer starts? As for Word staring that quickly, that's total BS (at least on my machine).
What kind of graphics card are you running? I'm using a RivaTNT with NVIDIA's drivers, so that's not the problem. (And yes, I've tried the renice -10 hack and the low latency patch and the HZ=1024 hack).
With both my GeForce II and Radeon (the Radeon generally locks up within 10 minutes or so under W2K, too).
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Hate to break it to you, but KDE is considerably faster on my dual proc Pentium III than Windows 2000 is. Considerably faster.
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X sucks. It's slow and uses a ton of memory. Sorry, I like Linux, but X is vastly inferior to Windows or Mac OS.
Maybe if you're using XFree86 3.*. However, 4.0 and up is quite snappy on most modern hardware and runs very nicely on limited memory.
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Other than a few things, I agree with you.
Second, BeOS is probably just as well supported as Linux.
It depends on what you mean by support. Generally, I think of hardware support. And in that area BeOS has always lacked.
However, that level of bdevelopment will only compare to what BeOS was in 1998.
Well, that depends on what you want to do with it in terms of media. Capture and edit video? Linux is current the best of the two with more applications and more video capture card support.
But given that BeOS runs a great deal of GNU code (like the entire CLI environment, for example) support on the application level is probably about the same.
Unless you're talking about a CLI network application. If your lucky, you might be able to get it to compile. If your on God's good graces, you might be able to get it to run without bringing down the net server.
OSS-types talk about freedom, but what about those who want to be free of the shackles of X?
And what shackles would that be? The shackles of anti-aliased fonts? The shackles of hardware accelerated 3D (something that BeOS has never really supported for more than the Voodoo cards through glide)?
There are no more troublesome pretenders to the OS throne...
Pretenders to the throne are a good thing... It means that there's competition which, in general, leads to better products. BeoOS had great potential, and could have been the next in line, but Be Inc. dropped the ball.
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Any particular reason the Katz filter didn't catch his usual crap this time?
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My apologies, then. I misunderstood your post on the mailing list then.
Does this mean that you won't accept a patch of libatheos that's of releasonable quality? If not, why?
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Um, anyway, this is getting off topic, no? :)
/. and actually have a normal converstaion :-)
Perhaps, but it's often nice to get away from the main threads of
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The name cames from Athena, the Greek godess of Wisdom, iirc.
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I've subscribed to the list sporadically... I did a couple months ago, and then again last month. I never stayed on for very long... I subscribed again couple weeks ago (once I finally got what I consider a usable system up and running) and will likely stay subscribed as long as I can handle the amount of traffic. That's how I saw the bit about the Intellimouse patch.
Now, what if you were to drop Kurt (or the list) an e-mail mentioning what you'd like to do to os::Menu and see if he likes those ideas?
Dinivin
I just went from 196 Megs of RAM to 640 Megs of RAM in my machine (which has both Atheos and BeOS installed) and never noticed a slow down when booting.
Since you said this item has been covered before can you point us in the direction of info about this?
Dinivin
Well, I wouldn't sent off a patch to Alan Cox or Linus and expect them to accept it with open arms either...
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Though I obviously can't speak for Kurt, he doesn't seem the least bit opposed to adding patches from other developers to the UI code. Just this week he added a patch (from another developer) that would allow Intellimouse scroll wheel to libatheos.
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It comes with a telnet daemon and you can download an OpenSSH server (and client) for the Operating System. Just because he does plan on supporting a text-mode console doesn't mean Atheos can't have a Terminal
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