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Carlo di Bonk writes: "I found a good article about the new Star Trek Enterprise television evil forces. These evil villains are from the future and the mirror universe. It seems to be an interesting chance that it is a different mirror universe though, to one seen in Star Trek The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine and other Star Trek television." Lots of little plot bits too, like the fact that they will have transporters, but they won't be trusted because they randomly kill people (like the first movie!) With Farscape running start to finish, my copy of Lexx Season 1 on DVD en route, and the new Star Trek a few weeks away, I think I need to take a week off ... a scifi sabbatical ;)
a different mirror universe though, to one seen in Star Trek The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine and other Star Trek television
When was the TOS/DS9 mirror universe shown on ST:TNG?
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Is what /. would have said if they had any inkling of a conscience.
> With Farscape running start to finish, my copy ...
> of Lexx Season 1 on DVD en route, and the new
> Star Trek a few weeks away, I think I need to
> take a week off
And what exactly is it that you do???
the original ST series .... all the chicks in those mini-dresses, yowzaa!
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Jeez! Alternate universes straight away?! Shouldn't they kick around for at least one episode and establish themselves a little?
A/S/L?
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Will they wear costumes more similar to those in TOS than those in TNG? I mean, just think about those skirts ;)
I just hope the first episode is called "The Ass Menagerie"
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How many times can people from a parallel universe visit ours before we start considering this parallel universe part of our own? Sheesh, these parallel universe people are starting to outnumber Klingons.
The only way Trek could be any worse would be if it was sung.
I object to that article, and to the next reply.
From the original article:
Peace and love? Kirk? I mean, besides the fact that he didn't always limit himself to homo sapiens, Kirk kicked butt and took names, he wasn't representative of any 'peace and love Federation.' Yeah, he met some hippies, but It's hard to see the 'Space Hippies' taking over the Feds. =)
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Ugh, the new trek is on UPN, which isn't a part of Time-Warner Cable in Cincinnati. I gotta get out an antenna and try to get UPN outta neighboring cities. Talk about lame...
Good quote, too many chars. Seriously, the slashdot 120 char limit sucks!
Will the captains be like those from TNG or VOY, or will they have that attitude, more like Kirk had?
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I'm dying to watch Enterprise. While I've heard a couple of people say it's gonna suck, I really think it's possible it may end up being the best Trek yet.
The future isnt' so far way in Enterprise - it's going to be easier, IMHO, to relate to the universe in the Enterprise series than it was in ST:TNG (and definitely easier to relate to than Voyager. Blah.) I also think they may have a chance to make statements about humanity in general again. Voyager pretty much never did it, and DS9 didn't make much of an effort.
But, of course, that's just my opinion. No matter how good or bad it is, someone is gonna say it sucks compaired to (TOS, TNG, DS9, V, TAS ;-)
The bad guys however - this could be interesting. I do hope they are used sparingly like they did the Borg for a while, instead of every episode centering around trying to duke it out with them.
Everyone cross your fingers, and hope they manage to get this series right!
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they will have transporters, but they won't be trusted because they randomly kill people
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Cool! Just like the Muni buses in San Francisco.
Just wondering if anyone knows about a dvd release of the B5 series?
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It seems to me that this plot is too contrived to be taken seriously. "evil mirror-villains from the future"?? Isn't that the plot to "Power Rangers: Time Force!"?
The other shows all had simple, realistic premises-the Enterprise is exploring the universe, Voyager is trying to get back home, the Enterprise is exploring the universe with a much crappier crew.
Anyway, the point of this is that clearly the plot is degenerating as new shows are produced. This obviously means that each successive "Star Trek" show is worse than the last. This means that Kirk is much, much better than Picard. QED.
I fevently hope this article is pure BS! I am so damn tired of every Star Drek show being TimeTraveling Baddies From An Alternate Universe®. I was hoping, from the trailers, that Enterprise was going to be more like the STTOS. If this article is even half correct, then it's time to take the Star Trek universe and put a stake through its heart, fill its mouth with garlic bulbs, cut its head off with a gravedigger's shovel, and bury it at a crossroads in blessed ground.
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"...humanity gets to meet its first Klingon. Said knobbly faced warrior..."
I was wondering if they were going to use the forehead-ridged Klingons or the pansy Romulan-wannabes from TOS.
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Hasn't ST discovered Hollywood by now? Pleanty of silicon there ....
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Yeah bring back the Tholians!
...or Gorn
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That's how I can always tell who a TRUE geek is. We were the only ones who watched Voyager, anyway. Hopefully this one will have at least enough appeal to non-geeks to keep it on the air everywhere.
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Somehow, I don't think Harry Mudd-like characters will be that common in this show...
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They were silicon based, turned out to be good guys, and had no manipulative digits. Looked like dog vomit, from a large dog, though.
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Right here.
OK, it doesn't work yet, but come on guys, this will be funny once the story gets archived by slashdot and cached by google. Let's see if you moderators can make the leap and transcend the boundary of time.
Is that plot the best they can come up with? Couldn't they leave Time Travel alone for just a few episodes?
This series sounds wretched.
for them to put it on anything else. Think about it. UPN is Paramount's network, and Star Trek is made by Paramount. Star Trek is really the only thing UPN has going for it, so if there wasn't a ST there, the network would die.....fast.
early Klingons have been established to NOT have bumps. This was in TNG.
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I'm seriously happy about one thing -- Enterprise won't have that god-awful writer's trick, the Holodeck. That damn thing ruined many a TNG and Voyager episode (it wasn't relied upon so heavily in DS9, thank goodness)
Rayguns! Aliens! Rocketships! I love it!
Potato chips are a by-yourself food.
That said, I'm looking forward to the show.
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Perhaps Jeri Ryan could make a guest appearance to help this problem out.
just in case anyone is interested, the song from all the promos is called "Wherever You Will Go" by 'The Calling'
startrek.com has all the promos/teasers available (in qt though)
"I would say that 99 per cent of what my father has written about his own life is false." - L. Ron Hubbard Jr.
The first thing that jumps out at me from this description is that there's no potential for morality plays, which was the basis of the original series and the Next Generation (while Roddenberry lived).
I'm not here to say that this is better or worse, or to whine about things not being the same since Roddenberry died, but rather to discuss what has changed. Whether or not this is a good thing varies depending on your taste.
Star Trek was set up as a mechanism for telling stories, not a story in itself. The characters represented archetypes (or even the id, ego, and superego -- guess which one is which). The Enterprise itself and its mission were just metaphors, and the fantastic nature was intended to give people the freedom to explore a variety of subjects in metaphorical, exaggerated, or "what if" ways. Just like a lot of great sci-fi.
This doesn't deny the new series' potential to be very entertaining and very good. But the new series is clearly different. In the new series, the situation is clearly defined. Aliens are just aliens, not symbols of ourselves in various guises. The new series presents an interesting point of view: Star Trek represented a utopian vision of our future; this series could be a vehicle to explore how we can achieve that particular utopia.
Although that's pretty limited compared to the scope of the original series, where various utopian ideals could be compared and contrasted from show to show, it still could be very fascinating, because many of us would have different ideas for how such a utopia could be reach, and in this age of irony, most of us probably doubt we could achieve it at all.
Bring back Que! Que was in my opinion the most entertaining character ever to grace ST. Ok, maybe I just like the idea of a morally blank omnipotent person who moves people around like chess peices to see how the other side responds.
Everyone else was so emotionally blank and serious that having someone inject a little fun into their otherwise by-the-book lives was interesting.
Of course, from what I understand, Enterprise is supposed to be before there was a book to go by, which might make things a bit more entertaining.
Maybe they should just bring back the really, really short skirts, move it to Showtime beside SG-1 and do something more... interesting once in a while. Actually, compared to the original ST, TNG was a bit bland in that regard, but compared to TNG, the last generations of ST were seriously devoid of any serious long-term sexual tension.
Of course, that's just my opinion; I could be wrong.
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Star Trek Voyager was the best Star Trek ever, well the original was cool also, but Voyager is the best. Picard is a poser compared to Janeway, and how many starships had a borg turned human working onboard?
It pleases me that Trekkie will again have a boner. Perhaps he will propagate.
Why is it that everyone who wants to genetically enhance some people is automatically classified as being a monomaniacal fascist who wants to take over the country/world/universe/whatever? Hey, I'm for revising the human race's source code, but not for upgrading by humanity by force. Why can't we have one scifi show or movie that shows modified people in a good light.
Though I would think it would be interesting to androgynize the human race. Probably solve a lot of problems, too...
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I like this part:
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"There's also color in the graphics on the screens, so it's never going to be a dull picture."
Whoa, all the colors of the 'bow, man!
It seems to me that this plot is too contrived to be taken seriously. "evil mirror-villains from the future"??
Gee, isn't a much richer plotline and a sense of deeper continuity a good part of what people said made Bab5 such a great show? Seems like P'mont is "getting it" this time, and trying the same tricks. Sounds like a perfectly good idea to me!
The other shows all had simple, realistic premises-the Enterprise is exploring the universe, Voyager is trying to get back home, the Enterprise is exploring the universe with a much crappier crew.
Well, for ST:TNG if you take the first episode and the last episode they used to try and tie up the entire series with, then the plot becomes a bit larger than just exploring the universe. It's humanity's trial by fire by a much greater power that sees potental within us. Q tells Picard at the begining we are on trial. At the end, Q give Picard both the power to destroy ourselves as a species, and gives him the power to expand his abilities beyond the human norm, to experience the universe ever so slightly like the Q does. Picard managed wrap his mind around the situation finally (but never completely understands it) and humanity (with Picard as it's representative) makes it past it's trial by fire.
Too bad they never followed up on it at all in the movies or other series. They really could have had fun with humanity beinging to awaken it's self, instead of relying on technology solely.
(In TNG's final episode, if you want to try and search to find deeper meaning, you can. But ya gotta try really hard - pretty much streaching it and giving the writers more credit than is really due. I'm definitely not going to give that synopsis here on Slashdot to have it picked through ;-)
Anyway, the point of this is that clearly the plot is degenerating as new shows are produced. This obviously means that each successive "Star Trek" show is worse than the last. This means that Kirk is much, much better than Picard. QED.
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The Tholians were mentioned a couple of times on DS9. I forget the exact words, but it was apparent that there was some kind of relationship with them now and they weren't outright hostile.
Pity.
Never heard anything about the Gorn though. Would be nice to run into them again. Let's see if la-di-dah pooftah Capt. Archer can make an improvised cannon like Kirk did!
It's hard to name sci-fi books. Most of Larry Niven's Known Space books (pre-hyperdrive). 2001 (and the movie). Fountains of Paradise. Mote in Gods Eye (passes the plausibility test, great first contact novel)
I like much of what's marketed as sf, Anne McCaffrey is my "guilty pleasure". Her early work was definitely fantasy, later moves towards sf.
My favorites are Niven, Niven/Pournelle, Piper, Clarke, Asimov, and Heinlein. Stephenson is the only modern author I've been able to read.
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You mean Britney Spears isn't going to make a guest appearance?
That's like saying a BSOD is a 'successful response' and that Windows 'works fine'. The code is fucked up, that's why you continually get those error messages.
Tholians? They wound up being blue-skinned bald-headed humanoids (see TNG, DS9). No big strangeness there.
So, I can see by the method of death that you're also looking forward to the new Buffy season? :)
It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
Not that Kirk paid it much attention...
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My understanding of the episode where Worf saw the ST:TOS Klingons was that, for some reason, the Klingons back then altered themselves to appear less inhuman than they were.
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No no no! If they were following the TOS, they'd have silicone-based life forms -- Ensigns with mini-skirts, and riding boots. (Don't ask me why they'd have riding boots without holodecks.)
YEAH! No holodecks! (Of course, we never did see the TOS bowling alley. Maybe they'll have one.)
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I went to the ST site and could not get a single video to play... I kept getting the "page cannot be found" message. Did anyone else have this problem?
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What's pathetic is that there was MORE character development and story development (even unto having a story arc over the whole season) on Buffy than on Voyager.
Just think: if five years ago I'd told you that a show based on the movie Buffy the Vampire Slayer would have better writing than a show based on Star Trek....
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The bloated corpse of Gene Roddenberry's crack-pipe dream, "Star Trek" was found dead on a back lot of Univeral's Paramount studios. Although it was only intended to be mindless swashbuckling adventure, the series was adopted by geeks and other social misfits. You may have never watched the show since it started to suck, but still it was an American icon -- sorta like "fat Elvis".
I suppose one could call Qs' appearances just avatars, we never saw what they *really* looked like, just what they thought we could understand..
The Q pretty much preferred the human (Terran) form to show themselves.... even the first time one appeared in TOS -- Remember Trelane? (the spoiled brat who thought he was Napoleon?) he was the first character development attempt at portraying a Q, even though they didn't call the species Q at that time. Another interesting shapeshifting, omnipotent being was the Dowd. Remeber him? The guy who killed off an entire species and then sentenced himself to solitary exile on a remote planet as punishment for his crime.
So far, I've trusted all the pilots, and they've delivered excellently. Well, maybe not so much Voyager, but they all have blown me away. Who could forget meeting Q? He was the most intigral part of TNG. They started it with him, and ended it as well. So, unless they want to start and end this whole series with the Klingon cival war... this is a mistake.
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The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
So I guess constant internal errors or misconfigurations mean "The code worked fine"?
What a fucking moron. How do you manage to tie your shoes in the morning? Or do you just tuck the laces in the side?
Well, somebody agrees with you- sortof.
I go to my local public library where I find books about dragons, wizards, and sword swinging heros in the "Science Fiction" category.
I find all the books about space ships, phasers, dyson spheres, time travel, etc in the "Fantasy section".
Somehow, somewhere, something went really wrong with these classifications.
These human supremacists don't want the soft liberal peace and love Federation of Kirk and the Next Generation's universe coming into fruition, and are planning to push it down a route which will leave the Earth absolute master of a million worlds.
I'm tired of all this pinko-liberal, bleeding-heart, self-abasing BS! What's wrong with being a human? It's like they're taking this whole myth that white, hetro males are responsible for all the evils in the world and are extending it into a multi-species universe where humans can only "redeem" themselves by engaging in some twisted form of self-abasement! So humans want to be in charge?? So what! Bring it on! I wish this parallel universe really did exist and I could get to it because I'm real sick of the snivelling, bleeding-heart pathetic excuses for humans we have in this one!
Signed, a disgusted, white, hetro, male!
You're using her as bait, Master!
Jeri as Seven is rumored to be making a cameo appearance in the next (and final) TNG movie, Star Trek X:Nemesis. Also Janeway has a brief appearance... holds a conversation with Picard. Riker and Troi will get married, Riker gets promoted to become captain of the new Enterprise "E". Picard makes Admiral and finally accepts the big cheese position as commandant of the Academy. The biggest event, however, is that Data dies... in a situation that sets up too close of a parallel as when Spock "died" and came back to life.
...I'm guessing they're using Microsoft Heisenburg Compensators and the damn things are actually still in beta!
What would be seriously funny though is to see a few corporate logos pop up in the show. Like if they walked into engineering and there were a bunch of boxes stacked up in the corner with cow spots on them. Or maybe an Intel Pentium XXVI logo on the side of all the bridge stations.
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Is it just me or does slashdot post news that belongs to other sites. I submit news and articles related and they never get posted, yet this silly article makes it? WTF is all I have to say.
If these parallel universe fascists already control their own universe, why the hell do they have to go to another universe-- in the freaking PAST no less-- and try to change humanity. They can just stay where they ALREADY FREAKING WON!
Khan. KHAN! KHAN!
actually, that's an interesting story thread that they could dust off and examine. And it would be topical to what's happening ITRW.
Well thats enough for now, here's to waiting for the premier to see if it's gonna occupy my attention on Wed. nights.
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Yes, the page came down fine, telling me there was an internal error or misconfiguration on the server!
That's the code I was originally talking about, on the server, where the internal error or misconfiguration is.
Why am I banging my head against the concrete block attached to your shoulders? I must be almost as big a moron as you.
That reminds me of an episode of Gundam Wing. Heero Yui is crawling around an equipment conduit, and the viewer sees a panel marked, in english, "Intel Outside".
The Kingons had gone thru a passing fad where it was consisidered fashionable to undergo cosmetic surgery to look more like Terrans or Romulans, the two species they felt most strongly they must compete against during the times of TOS. Klingons are highly emotional creatures and thus it is not so far-fetched to consider a "fashion statement" to have been part of their history.
Oh, certainly. In the end, "It's The Writing, Stupid!" The vehicle only matters in that it allows the good writers to do good work. Having one alternative humanity is okay, but infinite multiple alternative humanities -- a la "Sliders" (a show that took advantage of its premise less often than "Star Trek") -- has possibilities.
I totally agree. Even if they had the best plot setup in the world, writers could still screw it up and totally miss the possible moral issues that could be explored. Conversely, they could have a crap setup for the show, and the writers could still use it to explore deep moral issues and to hold up the mirror to humanity and force ourselves to take a closer look. And I'd prefer the later to the former.
Think about it. If one alternative future can come back and mess around with the past...what's to keep any number of alternative futures from trying the same? :)
Take that one step further, and you have a very strange (and potentially intersting scenario.) Have a universe where alternate futures keep traveling back into the past to change history - and end up fighting each other. A war torn past where the futures spend more time in the past fighting each other than accomplishing thier goals. Which, of course, would end up really screwing up the future. Now that could be a bizzare premise for a book / series...
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That's what *I* want!
I kind of think so, because you are ranting and raving like a baby. WTFC if HTTP 200 means it worked--the server is f-ed up.
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Your typical male ST geek doesn't get ...
Your typical male ST geek only gets dates with Rosy Palmer anyway so what would it matter?
Why, why, why, why, don't they just make a backup copy of the person on the input side of transporting? That way, if they're killed, either by bad guys, or in transit, they can be restored.
If they have the technology to transport, they surely have the technology to back them up.
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You are right - and it has happened.
:)
Last year, me & some friends - general sci-fi fans, but not fanatics or anything - rented the "Trekkies" movie. I'll tell you now that NOTHING else we have ever watched has ever boosted our self-esteem like watching that!
It has some of the saddest people I have ever seen, my favorites-
-The dentist who has his clinic themed as a Starfleet station
-The couple in their 60s with the poodle dressed in ST uniform
-The lady who - I swear - is stalking Brent Spiner (Cmdr. Data) and gets a HUGE boost out of the fact that she lives less than 1 mile from his house (one of the big Texas cities - Houston, Dallas-FW, or Austin, I forget)
and lastly....
the fat guy who spends his time writing FOLK SONGS about Star Trek characters - he even gets to play and sing one all about Khan from the TOS ep - "The Space Seed"
scary SCARY! But hilarious to watch - highly recommended to any sci-fi or ST fan who wants to see how SERIOUSLY people take this stuff. Me, I'm more of a B5 fanatic, but that's another topic....
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I argue the story of Star Trek: The Original Series is not about Kirk, it's about Spock. And from my perspective, Spock is a superhero. He can read minds. He's stronger than the average human. He has extreme intelligence and knowledge. Spock's abilities quite frequently solve the episode's problem.
Similarly Star Trek: The Next Generation has Data, even stronger than Spock. Deep Space Nine has the shapeshifter Odo. Odo is not quite as impressive as Data, so notice that Paramount has to make emergency repairs midway in the show bringing back the character of Worf, now the unbeatable fighting knight-equivalent. And Bashir has to be souped up to have extreme intelligence.
With Star Trek I The Motion Picture, Wesley in The Next Generation, and Sisko in Deep Space Nine, Paramount establishes quite a string of humans becoming gods/prophets.
And then there's Voyager. The Data character is degraded into the balding holographic Doctor. Kes is the female Wesley who eventually becomes a godlike being, only she's too wimpy to do anything before she leaves. The series is teetering on collapse when Paramount finally makes the sensible decision to return to the roots and bring in a new superhero, 7 of 9. Once again we have a figure who is stronger than the average human, knows more, and is struggling to deal with emotions.
I am frustrated by what seems to be an endless repeating cycle where Paramount continues to deny the essence of the show as being about superheroes, lets the series tank a couple of years, and then finally rescues the show by increasing the powers of the characters. I think that the claim of many fans that it takes a few years for the writers to get acclimated is a myth. The writers aren't given the raw materials to work with to produce entertaining superhero stories for the first few years, then they are authorized to use good materials, then the episodes improve. They could write a thousand stories about Harry Kim or Tom Paris or whatever vanilla characters they want and never find a groove. It's strictly a decision from above when the series is to improve, and that decision is simply whether to soup up the characters as superheroes.
As UPN was saved by adding the World Wrestling Federation's Smackdown to their lineup, maybe they can learn what makes this show successful. It's called by the wrestling fans BOOKING. Yes, it is the responsibility of the owner/promoter to make decisions to hype one wrestler over another, to promote certain wrestlers above all others for long stretches of time. The World Wrestling Federation the past two decades has been carried first by the character of Hulk Hogan, then Stone Cold Steve Austin, and now The Rock. Perhaps with careful booking in the future it will be Kurt Angle or HHH.
There is already another niche where people who are sort of ordinary interact in a tension-filled extraordinary situation. It's called reality television. It's Survivor, Big Brother, etc. Star Trek can't match that, Star Trek doesn't pretend to be giving ordinary people off the street a shot at fame and fortune. Star Trek has to create its fantasies in a different way. It has to be booked in a different fashion, to emphasize certain characters as superheroes.
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Ron stole Meggie's heart away
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I'm looking foward to a Star Trek without Picard/Janeway's preachy Prime Directive nonsense. If you look at TOS, the Prime Directive increased in its application between TOS and STTNG/DS9/Voyager. Janeway's use of the Prime Directive was so severe that I always thought of it as the "substantive interpretation of the Prime Directive" - much worse than TOS.
Anyway, if you want morality plays, I'm sure that they will have several episodes in which the well-meaning crew of the Enterprise totally screws up alien civilizations, causing the Vulcan to say "I told you so" and the Earth to adopt the Prime Directive in it's TOS form.
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Curse those actors for being bilaterally symetrical humanoids! That is the problem y'know; A woefull lack of non-human shaped actors.
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Transporters a couple of decades after warp drive??? Phasers that don't match the TOS pilot? Bumpy headed Klingons??? Hell, they might as well have put a holodeck on the damn ship! Bet you anything they'll have a holodeck on a planet...
Paramount is run by greedy record-executive idiots! ST:TOS was a raging sci-fi phenomenon a couple of years after its cancellation. It lasted long enough to push out a sequel show after not being on the air for ten years! You'd think they would be able to find writers and set designers that could marginally follow details set in the first series. Hollywood does this for every movie; they have geeks on the set who's job is to make sure that all the visual details match the previous take.
And like the record industry, Paramount is going to kill this goose.
There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM and AT&T and DuPont, Dow, General Electric, and Exxon
(Of course, we never did see the TOS bowling alley. Maybe they'll have one.)
I'd love to play with the artifiial gravity on one of those!
Don't remember the title exactly, but there was a Roger Zelazny short story called something like "THe Game of Blood and Dust" that told of beings that played with human history.
Unluckly, due to lack of time I've quit reading the books for about the last 6 months or so. I also REALLY enjoyed the New Frontier series with the Excalibur and it's crew members. Think Worf was a badass security officer? The Excalibur's security officer makes him look like a pansy - the guy is made of stone (I believe the name of his race was Brikar or something like that - they are living stone creatures.) All the characters on that ship are just... strange, but cool to learn about. Plus, they also have some characters from the TNG series - Morgan Lefler (her mom is also interesting), the gal that wanted Riker's job for awhile is the first officer, and the CMO is from the TNG series.
Granted, with the ST book series there have been some real dogs. There's a couple of the TNG books that I consider to be worse than the worse TNG episodes. But all in all, you are right - the ST books in general are of higher quality, and offer the opportunity for the characters to be explored much more deeply.
For those thinking about reading any of the books, here's a 'must read' list: Vendetta, Imzadi II, the entire New Frontier series, Prime Directive, Dark Mirror, and anything Peter David writes in the different series. :-)
As for the Voyager books... well, they really don't seem to improve on the series any with some exceptions. Still not a Voyager fan (which is horrible when ya consider I think I've seen all of them. Sheesh.)
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Computer: Red Alert! Hostile boarding party in sector 8
Archer: Set phasers to stun!
Vader: [vwaammmm....} click .... ahhhhhhhh...[zwap zoom...zwoop]
Archer: Thud.
Bolians! Not Tholians!
What's a postercomment compression filter? Is it some sort of lameness^2 filter?
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Those were Bolians, not Tholians. Tholians are evidently energy based or somehow hard for people to look at. The big tapestry that hangs in Quark's is supposedly a portrait of a famous Tholian general.
These evil villains are from the future and the mirror universe.
Let us all hope and pray that this visitor from a parrallel universe isn't Jar Jar.
Oh, wait, that was a long time ago. And in a galaxy far, far away.
Disconnect your television. Do your own research. Draw your own conclusions. They're probably lying. Don't be a sheep.
to be nitpicky, I think you mean season two. ;)
Season One, aired only on Showtime(?) as "Tales from a Parallel Universe", is still only available on VHS. Season two, however, where the Sci-Fi channel picked the series up at, was recently released on DVD a couple of months ago. Lexx is now up to Season four.
Coincidentally, my Lexx DVD's are en route as well
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I've wasted watching ST, TNG, DSN, V, and movies
comically reminds me of how the AP reported the USA GNP would be down the year everyone (except me) was watching the OJ trial.
Come on, it can't be Trek without uniforms that look like pyjamas...
How many starships had a sentient android who banged Tasha Yar working onboard?
I always wanted to see Data meet Seven, and tell her upon initial meeting," I'm fully functional and programmed in multiple techniques!" nudge-nudge, wink-wink. That would be hillarious.
...as the captain. ;)
That's more than enough reason for me to avoid it.
TNG was the last series I was actually able to watch without wanting to throw a brick at the television..mainly because I just have a thing for Patrick Stewart.
TOS...I can watch it endlessly..through all the cheesiness, cheap props, cheap sets, fake looking aliens, lame predictable plots, Kirk thinking he's god's gift to everybody, etc..etc..and I never get bored.
I tried to sit through DS9 once. Made it about 10 minutes before I had to change channels.
Thought "maybe I just caught it on an off night", and tried watching it 5 or so more times.
Just couldn't get into it.
I will have to admit to liking the Tribbles episode, however.
VOY..same thing...I've tried, I've really tried to like it(my boyfriend's son is a fan, so it's on pretty frequently), and just plain don't.
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anyway, I'd like to see them gone, gone, gone.
The enterprise had transporters for a very simple reason: the special effects budget couldn't handle a weekly landing.
They were aware of the danger that these would be a worse plot than Commander Cleavage, and thus the comment or two about the danger of intra-ship use, etc. They seemed to have forgotten this by the time that spinoff occurred, and techno-babble became a substitute for a plot . . .
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We saw TUX appear on some of the computer screens.
Perhaps you both are right, and that could make for some entertaining Star Trek for sure.
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MODERATORS: Read the subject of the parent post, it is somewhat on topic. I was using humor to explain why most "aliens" in sci-fi are humanoid. But youse moderators are a bunch of humorless drones on a search and destroy mission for "no good shits". Just because you don't understand the reference doesn't make it a troll.
Did you realize that according to the TOS specs, every crew quarter had a Jacuzzi?
Of course, I imagine that the original blueprints are no longer canon.
"Mr. Scott, more power to the Jacuzzis!"
"Ach Captain, the engines canna take it. There's just ten minutes, and all yer old girlfriends will break through: The Romulan Commander, The Blue Chick, The Blind Chick, Brain-Brain, Lights-in-the-sky (2000 Quatloos!), Miramony his wife (3rd season), The Alternate Universe Chick, somebody from Talos III and all the rest, we canna hold out!"
"Captain, sensors detect a Genesis device being aimed at us. For the safety of the ship, the logical thing would be to toss you out in an escape pod and run for it. Needs of the many and all that."
"Damn you and your Vulcan logic, but let's do it!"
One line blog. I hear that they're called Twitters now.
I am a big startrek fan and don't get me wrong, but after the last season of Voyager.
It really started to blow big chunks on the plots.
I am fear that with the same guy behind the wheel of Enterprise, it may well be the death of Startrek for TV.
Think mide season they will bring back Worf to save the show?
Things that I see that I don't like.
The ship look's too much like the Voyager.
The set's look more advanced then the old Startrek series.
I think that the captain should be a bit more rough around the edges, and not so PC.
Maybe Tim Allen would be better?
Wise men speak because they have something to say, Fools because they have to say something!!!!
Just curious, but what did "tribbles" symbolize?
Once you introduce time travel, you have painted yourself into a corner.
Once the "go back in time and fix things" crutch has been employed once, the slippery slope to sloppy scriptwriting and unimaginative stories has started.
Time travel has ruined Star Trek for me.
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He might be referring to 'Mirror, Mirror' in the Original series, one of the best early Treks with Spock sporting a beard and Sulu and Checkov totally and gleefully bad in the Mirror Universe. Also, there was an episode in Next Generation where almost an infinite number of Enterprises meet in some Nexus of alternate universes. I forget the details on that one though.
Sounds good to me, except what about all those little projects that get the sidelines? HA! Real time fur (on) my ass... what about the the BSOD toothbrush? Not much is known about the research they put into packaging. I would have never thought of taking a regular PC and turning it into a game console. How about that research on how to print holograms on the a CD face? Can they do that on Billy's face? That would be cool.
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Sorry... The new series is called "Enterprise", not "Star Trek Enterprise".
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They did it on purpose.....
I really wish the
The predominatly humanoid aliens first came about because TOS had such a low budget. It was a lot cheaper to have a guy show up in every episode with some points on his ears than it was to paint him blue and stick an arm on his back. I also believe that a Trek with not-so-humanoid characters would not have been as good. Because, you can relate to something that looks like you. In addition, TNG explained why almost all the aliens in the series were humanoid. Four billion years ago a race explored the galaxy and found that no other races were like them. So, the put thier genetic makeup into as many world premordial soup as they possibly could. Bang, bing, and out came humaniod races arould a few billion years.
None of you have even seen the show.
Some of you think TNG was the best thing since sex. TNG was seriously flawed in the first year or two because Roddenberry, bless his heart, was recycling all his old TOS and '70's Planet Earth/Genesis II scripts. To us older folks who grew up with TOS (and it was a BIG deal to see it in COLOR!!), the first couple of years of TNG was alot of repeats.
Give this one a chance. One thing Trekkies (and Slashdotters alike) due is kill the baby before it's even born. Put down your coding pencil...er...mouse and take a Prozac and chill.
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This is the first I've heard of the conspirators from the future being from the mirror universe, and I doubt it's true. I've seen a leaked draft of the pilot's script, and I can at least say that their identity is not revealed in that draft.
The idea of it being people from the mirror universe simply doesn't sound plausible given what's known about the new series and the mirror universe of DS9. The Terrans of DS9 had to borrow plans for the Defiant and had little knowledge of the ST universe. The time travel, genetic engineering, and understanding of ST universe history necessary to manage the conspiracy would be beyond them for a good while after their liberation. I don't mind the idea of a "Temporal Cold War", but making the future aliens be from the mirror universe is too far-fetched for me, and I won't believe it's true until I see it on TV.
I think I'd rather see the conspirators be post-DS9 humans from the ST universe. Perhaps Section 31. But if they were going to do that plot, they should've shown us the post-DS9 Federation first. It could've been interesting (and still might be done eventually)- after the war with the Dominion, the Federation is in shambles. Relations with the other empires have been shaken up, peace and trade have been disturbed, and Earth has experienced martial law for the first time in quite a while. Perhaps we might even have seen the Federation unravel. But the future would definitely be different from the civilization that showed up in TNG and DS9.
Because Captain Proton will come and kick your silly little butt! Captain Proton was the most original thing in any of the ST series, and, amazingly, it came from ST:Voyager!
Definitely need more characters like 7 of 9.
Joneshenry makes a good point. These "superhero" angles only work for me when they have to play their superiority against ordinary things like humor, love, lust, or common decency. As a writer, it seems like time and time again you would be trotting that out, or its doppelganger, the "Achilles' Heel:" Spock can't love, Seven can't carry on a normal conversation (with arguably the best ass on series television, does she really NEED to?), Data can't laugh. My question is, though, are these superheroes really effective dramatic characters by virtue of their special powers? I contend no. The episodes that stick out in my mind as being good television for any genre are those where it is ordinary things like courage, loyalty, sense of right/wrong that drives the characters, even the superheroes. It reminds me of a book I read about TV SF going all the way back to Outer Limits that said that writers were instructed by the producers that every episode needed a "bear" (Vaudeville term for the guy in a bear suit that would be sent onstage when a skit was going badly) - that one thing that was supposed to strike awe, fear, and wonder into the viewer. That mentality drives much of the history of TV SF (does anyone recall the Buck Rogers in the 25th Century where an otherwise fairly serviceable dramatic episode had a "bear" of poor Mark Lenard removing his head??) Some of the best TV SF episodes I remember had little or no "bear" because the writers knew how to write DRAMA for characters.
If it's a parallel universe and set before TOS, then they MUST (contractually) have an episode about having evil doubles.
With beards.
Including the women.
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You mean that you haven't read the entire script yet?
And you call yourself a Geek
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...when he won for his Change War novel, "The Big Time", still in print.
C. J. Cherryh stole this wonderful idea and wrote her supposedly fantasy but actually diamond hard S. F. series starting with (I think) "The Gates of Ivriel".
There are actually very few new ideas in hard S.F., which is why writing ability is so important. The difference between, say, "The Forever War" and "Armor" is not about the plot, but style.
There was a famous Earth historian who went to a planet and *set up* a Nazi government to demonstrate (or replicate) its supposed efficiency in industrial growth but intended to avoid the xenophobia and aggression. So, the "Planet of the Nazis" was a cheap screenwriter's trick to avoid set and costume expenses since they already had the uniforms and sets from other productions.
children's S.F. book about silicon creatures: "Horta hears a Who"!!!
"modern" ST or the original series?
;-)
In the original series there was quite an attempt made at keeping rigorous science. Guys were called in from NASA etc. Experts were hired for ideas. Scripts were put through many rewrites. (and yes, I know about the "no sounds in space" thing. There was no other way.)
ST today is particle of the week space opera, of course. Originally, it was much more. Of course, Gene always used science fiction the same way he used any other medium, as a device with which to tell the story he wanted to tell, which always involved people and their stories. The weakness of modern star trek is the storytelling is all based on so-called "science fiction" as the be-all and end-all, rather than on the interactions of the characters involved in the drama.
The original series was good drama. Modern star trek is good eye candy. Now, which did you mean?
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