1.. "my connection is too weird/ unique/ confabulated/ etc..."
yes, but you are 1% of internet users. the average bloke on a cable modem is reliably caught with this method
2. "there is traffic/ no way to ping/ etc..."
you have a speck of javascript on a webpage that keeps track of timestamps, opens an AJAX XMLHTTPRequest and pings alot, and the server averages things out. voila: you could get 60 samples in the time it takes you to read this comment, and therefore a good lock on your location
you could do this on a webpage with some fairly innocuous javascript that keeps track of timestamps and reports back
and yes, if you have alternate routes, this method fails. except that describes only 0.1% of internet users. for your average bloke with a cable modem opening a webpage with a speck of seemingly harmless javascript, this method should work fairly reliably
no one expects that. RIT is a serious institution and physics is a hard science. we're talking relatively obscure institution and the study of english and philosophy
the only one preening is you. i have accepted that people won't get every nuance of math and science, and adjust accordingly. its called pragmatism. all you have going for you is unworkable idealism and a bloated ego to match that folly
what "other areas of science"? i think you mean "other areas of mental masturbation that people mistake for science, like string theory"
besides, this conversation is way off track. my point, that you keep proving every time you reply, is that there is indeed popular areas of endeavor that function on trendiness and fashion in academia, that people consider to be science, but are not science at all
look: if you can't test it in the real world, its not science. maybe you can test something related to the mental effort some day. ok. maybe there's a house over the mountain ridge, maybe a lake. who knows? who cares? if you can't test it, it's not science
i don't know why you have such a bug up your butt about string theory, but just accept please that its just passionate fan fiction
each node you are giving a tiny chunk of data. its like you have a map 1 mile square, and you are giving each node only a square inch. doesn't tell the enemy how big you map is, how many nodes you have, how many datapoints, etc,. and each square inch is nameless: you can't tell where it's from. unless the enemy controls a lot of nodes, they know nothing
the enemy can even participate in deciphering the data. you're not telling them what you know, because every analyst gets a tiny bit of the picture. the only problem is too many poison nodes: nodes that make positive ids, but don't report it, on purpose (instead reporting to their own sub that they're being discovered). i guess they could also flood the system with false positives
poison nodes you could solve with redundancy: if 4/5 nodes report a positive, there is a disagreement where the poison node is found out. so you catch an operative instead of a sub
false positives also instantly announce themselves for being neutralized, so no more false positive squawking
use the power of patriotism is as your data processor. every mobile home in omaha, every retiree in coral gables, every apartment block in tacoma. its not an original idea: SETI, protein folding, the mersenne prime search, the mechanical turk project: this principle works
i'm a complete new york city bigot: i believe this is the best city on earth. however, i've been to vancouver twice, and both times i've been flabbergasted how awesome that city is. i would definitely and happily move there. and having worked at the world trade center until the morning of 9/11/2001, i'm not that put off by megadisaster anymore. except for the weird drug zombie town you have between chinatown and gastown. i don't know why you guys tolerate that stuff, its not like you're helping those sad sacks continue in that mode of existence
maybe i've just had my ego tweaked, because within 10 minutes of landing, in the airport, in front of that big green stone boat thing with all the first nation gods, a first nation chick flat out picked me up and toured around the city with me the whole week just for the hell of it! no, it wasn't a con, no money was involved and i was poor anyways. it was pretty cool meeting these established first nation artists she knew well, taking in the first nation art scene, hanging out with all these first nation kids, as if i had been an old hand 10 years at it and not some dumb tourist. i lost touch with her, last i heard she was somewhere back up in the mountains with a kid. but damn you canucks know hospitality, that's for sure. or at least your first nation does!
although, i actually sat in on a condo board meeting with my friend who owned a place there, and they were talking about a rash of recent attempted break ins, and out came all this anti-american commentary, that it had to be an american doing the break ins (not your drug zombies?). i think i laughed out loud at the guy who said something along the lines of "get them to sing the (whatever the canuckistan national anthem is), and if they can't do it, we've caught our culprit." good times, good times
it was once quite the vanguard of comment boards, but it has absolutely degenerated. go, visit for yourself, see what filth it has become. not even entertaining filth
i don't think those cities will ever disappear. but they will definitely dramatically change. san francisco and chicago both burned down to nothing and were rebuilt, but its still appropriate to talk of "as they were". because they won't look like they were before the cataclysm again. that's what i meant
one thing i always wondered about is how vancouver island would effect a tsunami on vancouver. seems to my memory the one in 2004 in indonesia wrapped around islands and got concentrated in some parts, dissipated in others, depending on the layout of the seabed and the channels. of course, somebody at UBC has probably devoted their entire professional career to that question already...
but what is true is to say that scientists are human beings, and are therefore prone to the same psychological short cuts, the same hubristic fallacies of faith that any human being is prone to
for example: string theory. untestable nonsense, building castles in the sky. a mathematician's fantasy life, of no use whatsover to the real pursuit of science. why so much time and energy is spent wasted on this in academia is a story of faith, not of science
but perhaps the best example i can think of academic scientists acting with the same blindness, arrogance, shortsightedness, and folly as a bunch churchgoers in a pew, is the story of the resistance to two australian's path to the nobel prize:
these guys were laughed at and heckled. because their hypothesis and data, that a bacterium can cause ulcers, counteracted existing dogma that it was just stress. yes, there is dogma amongst scientists... but not science. what is agreed upon, is not to be questioned, is dogma. even though, of course, in real science, anything can be questioned. science is not dogmatic. scientists are. because scientists are human beings, and we have our weaknesses and our psychological shortcuts
you find those on any site, but as time went on, they tended to represent a larger and larger piece of the k5 pie (which makes sense, because they were driving anyone not a low iq racist moron away)
k5 is a failed experiment, because it shows you can't let the inmates run the prison. you actually need to shoot a certain loud ignorant few of them in the head to keep things in order (i am advocating termination of account, not actual real life murder... i know you know i am speaking in analogy, but if the subject matter is k5, you have to be crystal clear because we are dealing with the issue of the dregs of society here, and some of those fucking retards might be reading this)
there are perhaps only 8 people on k5 that need to be removed (and actively re-removed, along with 40 of their puppet accounts, on an ongoing basis) before k5 is useful again. but no one will remove those 8. so those loud 8 will vomit their toxic ignorance (poor michael crawford), and drive everyone else away, until k5 is just those 8 completely useless twatstains, and k5 is completely and utterly dead to the realm of human thought
we are standing at the intersection of science and psychology here. you tell me which is more persuasive with the general public. so i say "overdue", in complete udnerstanding of why that word is not accurate, and i do so with a clean mind. i am trying to motivate people, and science won't do that. psychology will
of course, you have to worry about boy-who-cried-wolf effects:
there's no privacy with an open window either. that still doesn't mean i'm not going after the guy standing outside writing things down in a notebook. just because you can't lock things down technologically doesn't mean you have no basis for going after bad behavior. bad behavior is bad behavior is bad behavior. "because i can" is not a justification or excuse in any morality i know of, nor is it a reason to tell someone who has been violated that it is their fault
if i put a $20 bill on my front porch, yes, i'm stupid, and yes, i'm going to lose $20. but the guy who trespasses onto MY porch and takes $20 which is clearly not his and clearly not offered to him is still a thief who should be prosecuted for theft, to exactly the same degree as if he reached into my pocket or reached into my upstairs safe or hacked my bank account. same crime. do you understand why its the same crime? the idiocy of computer users does not excuse the evil of transgression
what bothers me is not specifically your post, but the kind of logic i see in your post, all the time, not even just in terms of computer security: "you didn't protect yourself, so you deserve what happened to you." this is the same failed way of thinking about right and wrong as "did you see the dress she wore? she was asking to get raped."
you, and many others, fail at basic morality. i don't know exactly what the problem is, but i would guess it is simply that you indeed are looking to excuse your bad behavior in one way or another: "they were weak, so they deserved it" is a pretty common failed way of thinking about the world. i see a criminal conviction some time in your future if you don't wake up and understand that the person who does something wrong, is wrong, period, no matter how stupid, drunk, gullible, clueless the victim
Slashdot Mirror
1.. "my connection is too weird/ unique/ confabulated/ etc..."
yes, but you are 1% of internet users. the average bloke on a cable modem is reliably caught with this method
2. "there is traffic/ no way to ping/ etc..."
you have a speck of javascript on a webpage that keeps track of timestamps, opens an AJAX XMLHTTPRequest and pings alot, and the server averages things out. voila: you could get 60 samples in the time it takes you to read this comment, and therefore a good lock on your location
INCOMING...
it's reporter-speak for a ping
you could do this on a webpage with some fairly innocuous javascript that keeps track of timestamps and reports back
and yes, if you have alternate routes, this method fails. except that describes only 0.1% of internet users. for your average bloke with a cable modem opening a webpage with a speck of seemingly harmless javascript, this method should work fairly reliably
no one expects that. RIT is a serious institution and physics is a hard science. we're talking relatively obscure institution and the study of english and philosophy
the only one preening is you. i have accepted that people won't get every nuance of math and science, and adjust accordingly. its called pragmatism. all you have going for you is unworkable idealism and a bloated ego to match that folly
what "other areas of science"? i think you mean "other areas of mental masturbation that people mistake for science, like string theory"
besides, this conversation is way off track. my point, that you keep proving every time you reply, is that there is indeed popular areas of endeavor that function on trendiness and fashion in academia, that people consider to be science, but are not science at all
look: if you can't test it in the real world, its not science. maybe you can test something related to the mental effort some day. ok. maybe there's a house over the mountain ridge, maybe a lake. who knows? who cares? if you can't test it, it's not science
i don't know why you have such a bug up your butt about string theory, but just accept please that its just passionate fan fiction
each node you are giving a tiny chunk of data. its like you have a map 1 mile square, and you are giving each node only a square inch. doesn't tell the enemy how big you map is, how many nodes you have, how many datapoints, etc,. and each square inch is nameless: you can't tell where it's from. unless the enemy controls a lot of nodes, they know nothing
the movie sucks... technically. the acting is good. the writing is good (tooting my own horn)
i'll release it someday. when i get over my ego and depression about its low quality technically
but good to hear from you ;-)
the enemy can even participate in deciphering the data. you're not telling them what you know, because every analyst gets a tiny bit of the picture. the only problem is too many poison nodes: nodes that make positive ids, but don't report it, on purpose (instead reporting to their own sub that they're being discovered). i guess they could also flood the system with false positives
poison nodes you could solve with redundancy: if 4/5 nodes report a positive, there is a disagreement where the poison node is found out. so you catch an operative instead of a sub
false positives also instantly announce themselves for being neutralized, so no more false positive squawking
use the power of patriotism is as your data processor. every mobile home in omaha, every retiree in coral gables, every apartment block in tacoma. its not an original idea: SETI, protein folding, the mersenne prime search, the mechanical turk project: this principle works
there's no scientific justification for string theory
i'm certain all that mental masturbation has some use. its just not science
thanks, good info
i'm a complete new york city bigot: i believe this is the best city on earth. however, i've been to vancouver twice, and both times i've been flabbergasted how awesome that city is. i would definitely and happily move there. and having worked at the world trade center until the morning of 9/11/2001, i'm not that put off by megadisaster anymore. except for the weird drug zombie town you have between chinatown and gastown. i don't know why you guys tolerate that stuff, its not like you're helping those sad sacks continue in that mode of existence
maybe i've just had my ego tweaked, because within 10 minutes of landing, in the airport, in front of that big green stone boat thing with all the first nation gods, a first nation chick flat out picked me up and toured around the city with me the whole week just for the hell of it! no, it wasn't a con, no money was involved and i was poor anyways. it was pretty cool meeting these established first nation artists she knew well, taking in the first nation art scene, hanging out with all these first nation kids, as if i had been an old hand 10 years at it and not some dumb tourist. i lost touch with her, last i heard she was somewhere back up in the mountains with a kid. but damn you canucks know hospitality, that's for sure. or at least your first nation does!
although, i actually sat in on a condo board meeting with my friend who owned a place there, and they were talking about a rash of recent attempted break ins, and out came all this anti-american commentary, that it had to be an american doing the break ins (not your drug zombies?). i think i laughed out loud at the guy who said something along the lines of "get them to sing the (whatever the canuckistan national anthem is), and if they can't do it, we've caught our culprit." good times, good times
what is it exactly that motivates you and every other strange psychological anomaly out there that feels a need to scribble on restroom walls?
kuro5hin.org
it was once quite the vanguard of comment boards, but it has absolutely degenerated. go, visit for yourself, see what filth it has become. not even entertaining filth
i don't think those cities will ever disappear. but they will definitely dramatically change. san francisco and chicago both burned down to nothing and were rebuilt, but its still appropriate to talk of "as they were". because they won't look like they were before the cataclysm again. that's what i meant
one thing i always wondered about is how vancouver island would effect a tsunami on vancouver. seems to my memory the one in 2004 in indonesia wrapped around islands and got concentrated in some parts, dissipated in others, depending on the layout of the seabed and the channels. of course, somebody at UBC has probably devoted their entire professional career to that question already...
let free range armchair analysts catch things they miss
well, apparently you noticed
the funniest thing about anonymous cowards crowing about how no one cares is how much they care
but mostly, you bile filled trolls are so cute. little shit nugget filled candies. munch, munch, munch... BUUUUURPP. excuse me
run along now cute little k5 troll. my how quickly they grow
and here's to hoping you're near the san andreas fault, and not the hayward fault, and not within a mile or two of the coast
portland, seattle, vancouver: we will miss you
record your beautiful cities as they are
because soon, we will say... as they were (shudder)
here's to hoping "as they were" does not apply to you as well
but what is true is to say that scientists are human beings, and are therefore prone to the same psychological short cuts, the same hubristic fallacies of faith that any human being is prone to
for example: string theory. untestable nonsense, building castles in the sky. a mathematician's fantasy life, of no use whatsover to the real pursuit of science. why so much time and energy is spent wasted on this in academia is a story of faith, not of science
but perhaps the best example i can think of academic scientists acting with the same blindness, arrogance, shortsightedness, and folly as a bunch churchgoers in a pew, is the story of the resistance to two australian's path to the nobel prize:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Warren
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Marshall
these guys were laughed at and heckled. because their hypothesis and data, that a bacterium can cause ulcers, counteracted existing dogma that it was just stress. yes, there is dogma amongst scientists... but not science. what is agreed upon, is not to be questioned, is dogma. even though, of course, in real science, anything can be questioned. science is not dogmatic. scientists are. because scientists are human beings, and we have our weaknesses and our psychological shortcuts
the problem is the low iq racist morons
you find those on any site, but as time went on, they tended to represent a larger and larger piece of the k5 pie (which makes sense, because they were driving anyone not a low iq racist moron away)
k5 is a failed experiment, because it shows you can't let the inmates run the prison. you actually need to shoot a certain loud ignorant few of them in the head to keep things in order (i am advocating termination of account, not actual real life murder... i know you know i am speaking in analogy, but if the subject matter is k5, you have to be crystal clear because we are dealing with the issue of the dregs of society here, and some of those fucking retards might be reading this)
there are perhaps only 8 people on k5 that need to be removed (and actively re-removed, along with 40 of their puppet accounts, on an ongoing basis) before k5 is useful again. but no one will remove those 8. so those loud 8 will vomit their toxic ignorance (poor michael crawford), and drive everyone else away, until k5 is just those 8 completely useless twatstains, and k5 is completely and utterly dead to the realm of human thought
it's also a useful figure of speech
we are standing at the intersection of science and psychology here. you tell me which is more persuasive with the general public. so i say "overdue", in complete udnerstanding of why that word is not accurate, and i do so with a clean mind. i am trying to motivate people, and science won't do that. psychology will
of course, you have to worry about boy-who-cried-wolf effects:
http://volcanism.wordpress.com/2010/09/17/londons-overdue-killer-quake-a-case-study-in-media-sensationalism/
LOL
someday
you can see pieces of it here, i just did a demo reel for the main actor in it last month:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox-0FGIE3Ak
it's long overdue
could take a month, could take a decade, but if you live on the US West Coast and you have not prepared for the big one, now is the time
there's no privacy with an open window either. that still doesn't mean i'm not going after the guy standing outside writing things down in a notebook. just because you can't lock things down technologically doesn't mean you have no basis for going after bad behavior. bad behavior is bad behavior is bad behavior. "because i can" is not a justification or excuse in any morality i know of, nor is it a reason to tell someone who has been violated that it is their fault
if i put a $20 bill on my front porch, yes, i'm stupid, and yes, i'm going to lose $20. but the guy who trespasses onto MY porch and takes $20 which is clearly not his and clearly not offered to him is still a thief who should be prosecuted for theft, to exactly the same degree as if he reached into my pocket or reached into my upstairs safe or hacked my bank account. same crime. do you understand why its the same crime? the idiocy of computer users does not excuse the evil of transgression
what bothers me is not specifically your post, but the kind of logic i see in your post, all the time, not even just in terms of computer security: "you didn't protect yourself, so you deserve what happened to you." this is the same failed way of thinking about right and wrong as "did you see the dress she wore? she was asking to get raped."
you, and many others, fail at basic morality. i don't know exactly what the problem is, but i would guess it is simply that you indeed are looking to excuse your bad behavior in one way or another: "they were weak, so they deserved it" is a pretty common failed way of thinking about the world. i see a criminal conviction some time in your future if you don't wake up and understand that the person who does something wrong, is wrong, period, no matter how stupid, drunk, gullible, clueless the victim
once they have a handle on all the leaks and the overheating, maybe they could just take a bite out of the coastline
literally earth move a couple of acres onto some large ships, then sink the ships into the middle of the ocean
if you say that will make that area of the deep ocean radioactive, well yes, but that's better than the coastline of japan
"the solution to pollution is dilution"
they said the same thing 50 years ago
When I look up and see the Moon, I think "mmm, cheese"