Slashdot Mirror


7.4-Magnitude Earthquake Strikes Off Japan; Tsunami Alert Issued

There is breaking news that a 7.4 Magnitude Quake has hit off the coast of Japan, and a Tsuanmi warning has been made. Please post updates in the comments.

313 comments

  1. Fastest slashdot story ever! by inu_maru · · Score: 5, Informative

    I am still dizzy from the shake (living in yokohama), plenty of blurry images right now in http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/

    --
    Mu
    1. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by chemicaldave · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Vote this up. Link has a live english translation stream.

    2. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by Rakshasa+Taisab · · Score: 0

      Dizzy? Were you perhaps riding on a roller-coaster while this happened?

      A little shaking is all we got down here in the Tokyo area.

      --
      - These characters were randomly selected.
    3. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by theNetImp · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This one lasted a good 2 minutes, steady shake once it got going. Trying to get back to sleep here in Chiba Prefecture.

    4. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by mc3000 · · Score: 5, Informative

      No injuries reported, according to NHK. This was in the vicinity of the 9.0 quake, 40 km below the sea bed off Sendai.

    5. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by Pharmboy · · Score: 3, Funny

      You're right, this is fast. At first I just though it was a dupe from a few weeks ago.

      --
      Tequila: It's not just for breakfast anymore!
    6. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by inu_maru · · Score: 2

      live in a tall-ish building, the quake was over 3-shindo, was playing halo... yeah...

      --
      Mu
    7. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by Ephemeriis · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Off-topic, but what's up with Slashdot links and FF4? Tried to go look at the images and the link didn't work. Had to copy & paste.

      --
      "Work is the curse of the drinking classes." -Oscar Wilde
    8. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by dr.+chuck+bunsen · · Score: 1

      Don't know, but I can confirm the exact same issue in FF4 on Deb. It's getting really annoying.

    9. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by demonbug · · Score: 3, Informative

      Off-topic, but what's up with Slashdot links and FF4? Tried to go look at the images and the link didn't work. Had to copy & paste.

      I've been having the same problem. Found it works to double-right-click (to open the context menu; single right click doesn't seem to work) and select "open in new tab", but pretty ridiculous. Even worse than before, when control-clicking to open a link in a new window just expand parent threads, often causing you to have to hunt all over the place to find the comment you were reading.

    10. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by Qzukk · · Score: 0

      Slashdot has fucked it up again. Double-right-click the link to get the context menu to open, then you can open in new tab.

      --
      If I have been able to see further than others, it is because I bought a pair of binoculars.
    11. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by hoggoth · · Score: 0

      Thank you! I though something was wrong with my computer. I can't click or right-click on any links in Slashdot using Firefox. If someone comes up with a GreaseMonkey fix to stop Slashdot's brain damaged Javascript or CSS that is stopping clicks please share it.

      --
      - For the complete works of Shakespeare: cat /dev/random (may take some time)
    12. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by Foofoobar · · Score: 1

      judging from the amount of radioactive water they have been dumping, this is obviously Godzilla waking up. Duh.

      --
      This is my sig. There are many like it but this one is mine.
    13. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      For ref, 'cos I was wondering, "shindo" is a japanese earthquake scale, not directly comparable to the richter scale (or the "moment magnitude" scale often mislabelled as richter in the media) - shindo is for various points on the earth's surface, richter for overall energy of quake.

    14. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dizzy? In Yokohama?! Drama queen, it was barely a 3 there.

    15. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by stillnotelf · · Score: 2

      It also fails in FF3 and Ubuntu.

    16. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by Tolkien · · Score: 1

      I had the same problem as everyone else, thanks for pointing this out. Double clicking the right mouse button seems to bring up the context menu as should be expected by a single right click.

    17. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by Plasmoid2000ad · · Score: 2

      Same in FF3.6, only no right clicking either so no cut and paste.

    18. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also fails in Opera. Have to single right click on the link to get the context menu.

    19. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      Double-right-clicking will get the context menu up. (I'm using Firefox 3.6.16.)

      --
      "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies."
    20. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by errandum · · Score: 1

      The height of the building can exacerbate the amount of shaking that occurs.

    21. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Not just FireFox. It's broken in exactly the same way in Safari, which implies that they've done something completely stupid, rather than just not tested properly in multiple browsers. I guess the Slashcode team all uses IE6 these days...

      --
      I am TheRaven on Soylent News
    22. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure about the cause, but double right click brings up the menu.

    23. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seconded.

    24. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm using FF 3.6 and it doesn't work here either... probably some very useful javascript /sarcasm

    25. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also broken in Chrome.

    26. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by M8e · · Score: 1

      Thanks for that tip.

    27. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by darkshot117 · · Score: 1

      I can confirm this is happening in Chrome 10 as well...

    28. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by jkauzlar · · Score: 2

      I have to right-click twice to get the context menu. Haven't seen this before today and I've had ff4 for awhile now.. Also, the checkbox to post anonymously doesn't work any more.

    29. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by vlueboy · · Score: 1

      US stock markets dropped about 60 points within minutes of the news; still very vulnerable in spite of recent rallies to news from Japan. http://www.schaeffersresearch.com/commentary/content/market+update+djia+breaches+12400+as+japan+quake+rattles+stocks/trading_floor_blog.aspx?blogid=105835

      Thanks for providing a copy-pastable link without HREF tags. Though Friday's Fool-slashcode was rolled back, it left an STD-like mark permanently: unclickable hyperlinks in Firefox and some other browsers.
      With yours we can highlight the full text and copy/paste onto a new tab, like old times.

    30. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Works fine in Chrome. Firefox just sucks.

    31. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by el_gordo101 · · Score: 1

      Center click (default action _should_ be open link in new tab) is also disabled and double-center-click does nothing either (FF 4.0).

      --
      TODO: Insert witty sig
    32. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by _0xd0ad · · Score: 0

      Also, the checkbox to post anonymously doesn't work any more.

      Same issue here. This bookmarklet works around it:

      javascript:for(var a=document.getElementsByTagName('input'),i=0;i<a.length;i++)if(a[i].id.indexOf('postanon_')==0)a[i].checked=true;void(0);

    33. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by discord5 · · Score: 0

      I have to right-click twice to get the context menu. Haven't seen this before today and I've had ff4 for awhile now..

      I've had the same issue with FF4 on Win 7. This changed recently. Before this I had the issue that when clicking on a link the parents of the post would expand one by one each click, until the OP was reached, Then I could finally click the link.

      The new slashdot webdesign is made out of fail. Who ever made it shouldn't get paid for the terrible job they did.

    34. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Strangely enough, you ahve to do double-right-click to open the menu and it works :)

    35. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by _0xd0ad · · Score: 1

      I'm in FF4 and the link in TFS works just fine, though the links in comments don't. Double-right-clicking the link (since right-click is broken too) and selecting "open in new tab" works though.

    36. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by ThunderBird89 · · Score: 2

      Middle mouse click not working in Chrome either.

      --
      Hyperbole: I use it liberally!
    37. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fails in FF3 in Win7 too.

    38. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Am having the same problem with FF4 / Win 7.

      Am not sure if this is an FF or /. error.

    39. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I haven't been having problems in Natty, I am about to update Firefox on my Win7x64 subnotebook to 4.0 so perhaps I am about to experience the same problem.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    40. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      In Firefox 3.6, too, on Ubuntu. I thought it might be because of the Vimperator extension. Do you use Vimperator?

      --
      It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.
    41. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by sa1lnr · · Score: 1

      Same thing here on 3.6.16.

    42. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 1

      Win XP FF 3.6.16 has the same issue.

      --
      People in cars cause accidents....accidents in cars cause people :-D
    43. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      I found I can drag the links to my tab bar to open them.

    44. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by guruevi · · Score: 1

      The same problem in WebKit browsers. A couple of days ago, links would actually expand all the parent threads until they were all open (and the page jumped down several times) and only then link through. I really miss the old Slashdot and even though I have set my preferences to classic Slashdot it just shows me a Web 1.5 version of it (Web 2.0 but only half working).

      --
      Custom electronics and digital signage for your business: www.evcircuits.com
    45. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Any Godzilla sightings yet??

      --
      Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
    46. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by treeves · · Score: 1

      According to USGS, it was 40km east of Sendai, but only 13km deep. (shallower=worse). I signed up for their alerts so I get an email when theres a quake within the parameters I specified.

      --
      ...the future crusty old bastards are already drinking the Kool-Aid.
    47. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same here with Windows and Chrome

    48. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FIX!!!

      Use NoScript and make sure that fsdn.com is not allowed to run javascript.

    49. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also on Chrome/Windows

    50. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by socceroos · · Score: 1

      too soon.

    51. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by Khyber · · Score: 1

      'what's up with Slashdot links and FF4?'

      One's shittily coded, the other is a shitty story totally incomparable to 6 or 7?

      --
      Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
    52. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by camperslo · · Score: 1

      No injuries reported, according to NHK. This was in the vicinity of the 9.0 quake, 40 km below the sea bed off Sendai.

      Uh, no. Actually, according to NHK, there were a number of people injured by falls, a number of them with broken bones, and some hit by things that fell.

      There were also some significant power outages, one power plant lost two of three incoming grid feeds providing power for cooling, another is on emergency diesel. They're stable with no radiation leaks. No obvious changes at the troubled Fukushima units, which suffered serious complications after loss of power to the control systems and pure water circulating pumps, and had the secondary loop (salt water to cool the heat exchangers) pumps totally washed away by the March 11th Tsunami.

      I was watch NHK when the 7.4 quake hit shortly before midnight there (morning on the U.S. west coast), with the tsunami alert going out quickly afterwards. The warnings were saying possible 1 meter height. For people to have to get out at midnight perhaps with no power, run for higher ground must have been very traumatic. Fortunately there wasn't a significant tsunami. Reports say they quake started with vertical jolts, followed by a long period of intense horizontal shaking.

      For those that don't watch live feeds on the http://www.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/ website which uses Silverlight for streaming, there is a Flash feed on livestation.com and a livestation iOS app.

      Compared to the U.S. coverage, NHK reveals far more about the numerous aspects of what's going on there. The text articles on their website give current but brief info on things going on (nitrogen injection etc.).

    53. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was measured shindo 4 here in Chiba and went on for so much longer than the usual quakes that I got dizzy too.

    54. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by yeshuawatso · · Score: 1

      The problem seems to stem from the parent comment action. For instance, when you single click a comment, the page jumps to the parent of that comment. Click again, and it goes to the parent's parent. After you've made your way to the top, right clicking and middle clicking works as normal. This also explains why you can right click just fine anywhere else but the comment section.

    55. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dammit, you guys keep talking about browser stuff. what is going on? I've noticed my double middle ctrl-shift click behavior has changed oh no. try about:config or something.

    56. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by orkysoft · · Score: 1

      Similar here, but single-right-click brings up the context menu, which works properly. But I've turned off most of those nasty JavaScript capabilities like writing to the status bar (I like to actually know where links go) and disabling/replacing the context menu.

      --

      I suffer from attention surplus disorder.
    57. Re:Fastest slashdot story ever! by Nehmo · · Score: 1

      This one lasted a good 2 minutes, steady shake once it got going. Trying to get back to sleep here in Chiba Prefecture.

      What type of building structure are you sleeping in?

      --
      (||) Nehmo (||)
  2. 2m high tsunami by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Informative

    According to the Japanese Meteorological Agency the tsunami is about 2m high. Coastal defences should be okay in most places but obviously anyone near the coast should retreat inland if possible.

    --
    const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
    SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    1. Re:2m high tsunami by tripleevenfall · · Score: 5, Funny

      Thank you, I just happened to be checking slashdot to see what I should do.

    2. Re:2m high tsunami by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Additional: only in Miyagi, elsewhere the tsunami is approx 0.5m. Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant should not be affected by the wave, although obviously there is still the quake to worry about...

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    3. Re:2m high tsunami by kesara · · Score: 1

      According to Pacific Tsunami warning center (NOAA/NWS): No destructive widespread tsunami treat exists based on historical earthquake and tsunami data.

      --
      ---==[KESARA|kesara.lk]==---
    4. Re:2m high tsunami by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True story. Last year (?) a car with some teenage girls in North Dakota went into a ditch. Rather than call for help, one of the girls was posting about the situation on Facebook! Three of them drowned.

    5. Re:2m high tsunami by antifoidulus · · Score: 1

      Yeah, if you will recall there actually was a precursor 7.0 earthquake on the 9th of March, a tsunami warning was issued for Sendai, Miyagi(and probably Iwate too), but there was no tsunami.

    6. Re:2m high tsunami by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 1

      In the event of a tsunami, the safest place to stand is between a mother bear and her cub. I repeat, the safest place to stand is between a mother bear and her cub. Please stand by for additional instructions.

    7. Re:2m high tsunami by PPH · · Score: 1

      Then shouldn't you be waiting for the re-post in a few weeks?

      --
      Have gnu, will travel.
    8. Re:2m high tsunami by somersault · · Score: 1

      If you pass this on to 100 emergency personnel in the next 5 minutes, you will meet your true love tomorrow! If you don't, 3 of my friends will drown!

      Sort of status I'd delete within reading the first 7 words, and block that person's updates from being on my homepage!

      --
      which is totally what she said
    9. Re:2m high tsunami by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 2

      So I guess we should thank Mark Zuckerberg for cutting out the deadwood.

      --
      Blank until /. makes another boneheaded UI decision.
    10. Re:2m high tsunami by couchslug · · Score: 1

      "Coastal defences should be okay in most places but obviously anyone near the coast should retreat inland if possible."

      Anyone whose home is near the coast should consider moving permanently out of range. There will be more tsunamis, so planning should reflect that.

      Put residential areas inland, and more expendable construction at the coast.

      --
      "This post is an artistic work of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
    11. Re:2m high tsunami by Grygus · · Score: 1

      Copy that, Anne_Nonymous. All the dogs are barking, over.

    12. Re:2m high tsunami by sexconker · · Score: 1

      "Coastal defences should be okay in most places but obviously anyone near the coast should retreat inland if possible."

      Anyone whose home is near the coast should consider moving permanently out of range. There will be more tsunamis, so planning should reflect that.

      Put residential areas inland, and more expendable construction at the coast.

      Something about a man building his house on the sand?

      Also, if you want people who live in dangerous places to pick up and move, I hope you'll enjoy your new neighbors from florida, new orleans, etc.

    13. Re:2m high tsunami by couchslug · · Score: 1

      "Also, if you want people who live in dangerous places to pick up and move, I hope you'll enjoy your new neighbors from florida, new orleans, etc."

      The inland areas of the US have plenty of room. New Orleans residential areas aren't necessary at that location and could be fifty miles inland or more. Only the container port and supporting infrastructure are important, the rest is for sentiment.

      Florida is prosperous enough to build safe houses or safe rooms. If you live inland enough to be away from storm surge, build a shelter or robust house. People don't love concrete and rebar until they need it and it's too late.

      Personal solution that rocks even if I never have to deal with a disaster:
      My window-free ISO container shop (2x 40ft High Cubes) attached to a steel I-beam foundation isn't going anywhere, and that's where I'll hang during the next hurricane (Hugo was a learning experience). No rain, no bugs, no fucking dirt daubers nesting in my auto parts (they love bolt holes!), no humidity problems, and very convenient to configure.

      If I lived in Tornado Alley I'd weld a skin of rebar around them after pouring a slab, tie them down like a hardened aircraft shelter, and shotcrete the lot.

      Using a monocoque structure like an ISO container (me lubs cheap/dry/tough/metal structure!) means an earthquake won't bother likely it either. The ceiling and walls won't collapse (ISOs often float away when their parent ship sinks) and my equipment will be preserved for rebuilding anything that got zapped.

      --
      "This post is an artistic work of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
    14. Re:2m high tsunami by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 1

      FNORD. Nothing to see here. FNORD.

      --
      Ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
    15. Re:2m high tsunami by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      You jest but I actually was. Seriously, this was the first place I heard about it.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
  3. Re:Crap! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    not funny

  4. trains by fredan · · Score: 1

    how's the time schedule for the trains in Japan?

    1. Re:trains by inu_maru · · Score: 1

      jr east has mostly delays, you can check the details here:
      http://www.jreast.co.jp/

      --
      Mu
    2. Re:trains by antifoidulus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Most are already offline, it happened at 11:30 there, the shinkansen have probably almost all stopped, most regional services in the area probably weren't running at any real capacity anyway, so I doubt they would be running there. It was far enough away from Tokyo that I doubt any of the metros were really affected.

      FWIW I was riding on the shinkansen(headed to Germany for a bit since I didn't have water and food at my place :P) when a 6.1 struck Shizuoka. I have to hand it to the designers and operators of those cars, they handled it really well. You could actually barely feel anything on the car, but all of a sudden the lights went out and the train came to a sudden, but not abrupt stop since we lost all power. No derailing, no injuries.

    3. Re:trains by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow! I know Europe and Japan have great trains systems, but Shizuoka to Germany on a bullet train, amazing!

    4. Re:trains by gilleain · · Score: 1

      Wow! I know Europe and Japan have great trains systems, but Shizuoka to Germany on a bullet train, amazing!

      Yeah, I hear they have transdimensional portals. Not cheap, but still cheaper than train travel in the UK, where we only lead the world in informing passengers which lines are delayed/closed...

    5. Re:trains by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      They get up enough speed to jump the Sea of Japan.

      --
      There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
    6. Re:trains by xaxa · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I hear they have transdimensional portals. Not cheap, but still cheaper than train travel in the UK, where we only lead the world in informing passengers which lines are delayed/closed...

      This is true, but informing passengers is essential. On my two last trips to Berlin I spent half an hour waiting at different stations before realising the line wasn't running. Deciphering the timetable in Brussels was also a challenge -- you had to know the destination of the train you needed, even if you were travelling to a minor station along the way.

      (Credit where it's due though: UK trains are expensive (unless booked in advance), but service is very frequent compared even to France and Germany, e.g. a train every 20 minutes from Manchester to London, 6 trains an hour from Birmingham to London, etc.)

      I realise I lose Britishness by saying something positive about our railways, but *shrug* I don't like tea either.

    7. Re:trains by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 1

      The main Tokyo lines are running almost 4 minutes late!!

      --
      May the Maths Be with you!
    8. Re:trains by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Funny

      The British rail system is the most advanced in the world. Nowhere else do the stations have an automated system for generating and announcing plausible excuses for delays.

      --
      I am TheRaven on Soylent News
    9. Re:trains by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I hear they have transdimensional portals. Not cheap, but still cheaper than train travel in the UK, where we only lead the world in informing passengers which lines are delayed/closed...

      Transdimensional portals only require 10 obsidian if you don't include the corners, saving you 4 obsidian!

    10. Re:trains by zevans · · Score: 1

      Except on Wednesday afternoon, when we weren't even doing that...

      --
      "... and more and more now there are all kinds of electronic goodies available" -- Pink Floyd 1972
  5. 7.4 != 9.2 Not even close. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 3, Informative

    The scales are logarithmic. 7.4 earthquake is about 150 times less powerful than a 9.2

    --
    sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
    1. Re:7.4 != 9.2 Not even close. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Informative

      The correct ratio seems to be 31 ^ ( 9.2 - 7.4 ) = 483. So this earthquake would be considered a moderate one, about 500 times less powerful than the 9.2 that stuck a few weeks ago.

      --
      sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
    2. Re:7.4 != 9.2 Not even close. by Calavar · · Score: 1

      True, but it doesn't mean the earthquake isn't severe. The Northridge earthquake was "only" 6.7.

    3. Re:7.4 != 9.2 Not even close. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Richters scale is not a log10 scale, so it's (10^1.8)^(3/2) ~= 500 times less powerful.

    4. Re:7.4 != 9.2 Not even close. by kabloom · · Score: 1

      If they're using a logarithmic scale, there must be a reason why the logarithmic scale makes more sense. Maybe it's because the damage or perceived power scales logarithmically with the energy of the quake?

    5. Re:7.4 != 9.2 Not even close. by Thorfinn.au · · Score: 1

      The Christchurch quake was 6.2

    6. Re:7.4 != 9.2 Not even close. by pclminion · · Score: 2

      So you're talking about blowing up a Volkswagon with a cluster bomb instead of a nuclear warhead. The car is still destroyed afterward. If the 7.4 had happened without a preceding 9.2 people would be talking about the 6.6 aftershocks being "not even close" to the 7.4... People, all of these are really big earthquakes.

    7. Re:7.4 != 9.2 Not even close. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Make that 7.1, according to the USGS.

    8. Re:7.4 != 9.2 Not even close. by _0xd0ad · · Score: 1

      It's probably some sort of polynomial relation - energy being converted into motion of land mass in 3D, causing both horizontal and vertical motion, and the actual damage being related in some other polynomial way to the intensity of the shaking (complex, because you get shear forces in the horizontal combined with tensile and compressive forces in the vertical, and building materials act very differently under shear/compression/tension). And of course not to mention the fact that the damage is greatly dependent on how well the stuff was engineered in the first place. How well or poorly the logarithmic scale represents that complex relationship is sort of anyone's guess.

    9. Re:7.4 != 9.2 Not even close. by robthebloke · · Score: 1

      The Blackpool quake was 2.2

    10. Re:7.4 != 9.2 Not even close. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      moderate is 5-6
      7 is major (according to the Richter scale - moderate compared to 3/11)

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richter_magnitude_scale

    11. Re:7.4 != 9.2 Not even close. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It sort of depends on what you're measuring when using vague terms like "powerful": maximum ground acceleration, averaged ground acceleration and duration, maximum displacement (instrumental or in the fault plane), total energy released, etc. There are all sorts of details when trying to compare earthquakes. For energy released, the relationship is 10^1.5 or ~32x for each Richter magnitude step, although Richter magnitude isn't used as much anymore. Usually scientists use moment magnitude these days, which has the same relationship to energy. It makes sense that energy would equate to what you feel and how much damage occurs, but there are additional effects depending on the exact way the ground is displaced, what happens as the waves propagate from the focus to the place you are experiencing the quake, duration, frequency content, ground properties, etc.

      But by any qualitative measure anything over 7 (on either scale) is a big, potentially-damaging quake. Fortunately this one was off the coast like before, and the effects diminish with distance, so the cities in Japan won't experience as severe effects as the magnitude would imply if it were directly beneath the city. To put things in perspective, the 1995 Kobe earthquake was "only" a 6.8 on the moment magnitude scale, and "only" 7.3 on the JMA scale -- i.e. smaller than this aftershock. Yet in the 1995 quake more than 6000 people were killed. So, yeah, this is a *big* earthquake, but further away from where people are living, thank goodness. That also puts the previous 8.9-9.2 quake in perspective (i.e.: it was FREAKING HUGE).

    12. Re:7.4 != 9.2 Not even close. by zevans · · Score: 1

      I've been meaning to ask this for a while: is this somehow deduced at the epicentre or does it reflect the level of damage / energy transferred / work done over some wider area?

      Is a 7.4 in one city likely to cause the same problems as a 7.4 in another? (Say one on clay and one on basalt?)

      --
      "... and more and more now there are all kinds of electronic goodies available" -- Pink Floyd 1972
    13. Re:7.4 != 9.2 Not even close. by gilleain · · Score: 2

      There seems to be some sort of increase in the size of the slashdot commenter estimates of earthquake power ratios. First commenter said 30 times, then 100, then 150, now 500. Is there a logarithmic function to describe this increase in accuracy?

    14. Re:7.4 != 9.2 Not even close. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no, moderate is a 4.1 this is a big fucking earthquake

    15. Re:7.4 != 9.2 Not even close. by JTsyo · · Score: 1

      7.4 is still a major quake.

    16. Re:7.4 != 9.2 Not even close. by ivan_w · · Score: 2

      This figure reflects pretty much measures the energy released during the event.

      For effects, you want to use the Modified Mercalli Intensity Scale - which is a closed scale - ranging from 0 (not felt) to 10 (everything leveled).

    17. Re:7.4 != 9.2 Not even close. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Newswire 2011-04-07

      20 nerds were swept away in a tsunami while debating the logarithmic scale of the most recent earthquake off the coast of Japan. More to follow.

    18. Re:7.4 != 9.2 Not even close. by geekoid · · Score: 1

      it's more then size as well. and 7.4 is tiny compared to a 9.0.
      For Japan, a 7.4 prior to the 9.0 would have gotten a mention, and maybe some footage od something falling of a shelf.
      Even the 9.0 wasn't a huge deal. It was the massive wall of water that did a lot of the damage. It did happens miles off coast.

      IT's not the size of the Earth Quake that matters, it's the effect.

      --
      The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
    19. Re:7.4 != 9.2 Not even close. by Rufty · · Score: 1

      The original scale was related to the log_10 of the vibration amplitude. So a mag 3 shakes 10 times as far as a mag 2. But to shake 10 times as far takes more than 10 times the energy, 31 times from a post further up the thread. Also, pure measure of the amplitude saturates. (1km vibrations? Er...)

      --
      Red to red, black to black. Switch it on, but stand well back.
    20. Re:7.4 != 9.2 Not even close. by vlueboy · · Score: 1

      I see what you did there.

      Anyways, the ranges show us though science is exact even highly informed geeks using incorrect formulas. On second thought, the media gave me this one a couple weeks ago and now I have no idea which is the approved formula.

      10^9.2/10^7.1=126

      Note that the earthquake was downgraded to 7.1 in the past hour or so.

    21. Re:7.4 != 9.2 Not even close. by Noughmad · · Score: 5, Funny

      The Arena quake was 3.0

      --
      PlusFive Slashdot reader for Android. Can post comments.
    22. Re:7.4 != 9.2 Not even close. by BrianRoach · · Score: 1

      If only there was some way to look this up!

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richter_magnitude_scale

      The energy release of an earthquake, which closely correlates to its destructive power, scales with the 32 power of the shaking amplitude. Thus, a difference in magnitude of 1.0 is equivalent to a factor of 31.6 ( = (101.0)(3 / 2)) in the energy released; a difference in magnitude of 2.0 is equivalent to a factor of 1000 ( = (102.0)(3 / 2) ) in the energy released

    23. Re:7.4 != 9.2 Not even close. by Imrik · · Score: 1

      It isn't really about perception or damage or we'd expect to actually notice a 1 or 2. The main reason for using a logarithmic scale for earthquakes is the massive difference in energy released. Using another scale you would end up with very large numbers or very small numbers that are hard to talk about.

    24. Re:7.4 != 9.2 Not even close. by djlemma · · Score: 1

      The Arena quake was 3.0

      I would love a mod point right now.

    25. Re:7.4 != 9.2 Not even close. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There are other factors that affect how devastating an earthquake is. The Christchurch earthquake was 6.3, but had ground acceleration up to four times that of Japans 9.2 quake. That quake did significantly more damage than the earlier 7.1 Christchurch quake. NZ also had a 7.8 quake in 2009 and there was hardly any damage, and no deaths or injuries.

    26. Re:7.4 != 9.2 Not even close. by CrackedButter · · Score: 1

      Yes, made me chuckle especially when my family live in Blackpool AND only last month were ringing me, telling me how lucky I am, to not be in Japan at the moment. That later situation I found ironic.

    27. Re:7.4 != 9.2 Not even close. by SnarfQuest · · Score: 1

      It actually makes it easier to do a quick comparison if you understand logorithms even a little bit.

      It's easier to see that 7. 4 9.2 and quickly compare the magnitudes than it is to see that 400000002000000000 and do a quick comparison of the magnitudes involved. Maybe you'd prefer scientific notation instead (4x10^72x10^9)? [Note: I don't have my log tables available so the conversions are only approximate. Don't worry about the details, only the display format is being compared here.]

      --
      Who would win this election: Andrew Weiner vs Andrew Weiner's weiner.
    28. Re:7.4 != 9.2 Not even close. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The correct ratio seems to be 31 ^ ( 9.2 - 7.4 ) = 483. So this earthquake would be considered a moderate one, about 500 times less powerful than the 9.2 that stuck a few weeks ago.

      That being said, there's a difference between amplitude ("size") and the energy ("strength"):

      A magnitude 9.2 earthquake is 63.095 times bigger than a magnitude 7.4 earthquake on a seismogram, but is 501.187 times stronger (energy release).

      http://earthquake.usgs.gov/learn/topics/how_much_bigger.php

    29. Re:7.4 != 9.2 Not even close. by jamesh · · Score: 1

      Magnitude isn't the only factor at play here. A 6.3 earthquake destroyed parts of central Christchurch in NZ a few months ago, and earthquakes are no stranger to NZ so buildings are built with quakes in mind. It was so devastating because it was almost exactly under the city, and was very near the surface.

    30. Re:7.4 != 9.2 Not even close. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want to compare it with the one that struck a few weeks ago, shouldn't you use the value 9.0 instead of the arbitrary number 9.2?

    31. Re:7.4 != 9.2 Not even close. by zevans · · Score: 1

      Magnitude isn't the only factor at play here. A 6.3 earthquake destroyed parts of central Christchurch in NZ a few months ago, and earthquakes are no stranger to NZ so buildings are built with quakes in mind. It was so devastating because it was almost exactly under the city, and was very near the surface.

      Buildings in Chch only really earthquake-friendly since the 70s - another reason a lot of damage was done. Older buildings did not do well.

      --
      "... and more and more now there are all kinds of electronic goodies available" -- Pink Floyd 1972
  6. Also in Mexico by f1vlad · · Score: 4, Informative
    --
    o_O
    1. Re:Also in Mexico by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

        And elsewhere, but nothing quite as large and near the surface as Japan.

  7. milking the cow by iinlane · · Score: 1

    It's roughly 100 times less energetic, not a big deal for Japan.

    1. Re:milking the cow by NeoTron · · Score: 1

      Yep you're pretty much an idiot for saying that.

      It's a big deal because, despite it being "roughly 100 times less energetic", it was also closer to the land than the 11th March quake.

      In addition, the intensity of the quake was just as severe as the 11th March quake, i.e. in some areas the intensity was measured to be Shindo 6 on the Japanese intensity Scale. Go google for "Shindo" and find out what that means.

      Also, it's a big deal because in numerous areas around Japan, buildings that are still standing have already become weakened by the 11th march quake. Also take into account damage introduced to the ground itself after the March 11th quake.

      I live in Koriyama city, Fukushima prefecture, and my house is 54km due West from the nuclear plants. I stayed up until 2am watching the news like a hawk, just in case the power plants sustained more damage from that so-called "100 times less energetic" quake. My house itself, being only about 3 years old, is in good condition considering the quake on March 11th, but it IS a bit more "rattly", and during last night's quake I honestly thought the house was going to be shaken apart.

      Yes, last night's quake was a big deal, in Japan at least.

  8. Answer to non existent question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No one claimed they were close in power. 7.4 is still a strong earthquake and can still generate a damaging tsunami, especially in nearby areas.

    1. Re:Answer to non existent question by gman003 · · Score: 1

      Just wait until the "traditional" media catches up to us. They'll be playing it up for all it's worth.

  9. Actually there were two 7.4 within a minute by McNihil · · Score: 2, Informative

    14:32:41 & 14:32:00

    about 100km apart (caveat not so good at spherical trig in head calculations)

    http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Maps/region/Asia_eqs.php

    1. Re:Actually there were two 7.4 within a minute by sydneyfong · · Score: 1

      One of them 4.7

      --
      Don't quote me on this.
    2. Re:Actually there were two 7.4 within a minute by McNihil · · Score: 1

      Oh they reclassified one of them. Makes sense.

    3. Re:Actually there were two 7.4 within a minute by McNihil · · Score: 2

      actually they took the 14:32:00 out... hmmm... something is fishy.

    4. Re:Actually there were two 7.4 within a minute by wcrowe · · Score: 0

      So, it's a 14.8 then.

      --
      Proverbs 21:19
    5. Re:Actually there were two 7.4 within a minute by qubezz · · Score: 2

      Earthquake tremors travel from the epicenter at slower speeds than one might expect. The fastest P seismic waves travel at a speed around 5km/s, with the slower and more significant S waves following at about 60% that speed. Tokyo didn't begin feeling the earthquake until about 60 seconds after the event, enough time for early warning systems to go off on tv screens and cel phone broadcasts. Early earthquake reports like this may be in error since the event time, location, and magnitude needs to be compiled from multiple seismometers after the event has finished, and the propogation delay means that different sensors will experience the quake at different times.

    6. Re:Actually there were two 7.4 within a minute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably not. Just machine reports coming in from different evaluation reports and not immediately corrected by a human. The revised log shows it to be just one event. It happens. You were just quicker than the update.

  10. tsunami warning URL by mrflash818 · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.jma.go.jp/en/tsunami/

    "Occurred at 23:32 JST 07 Apr 2011
    Region name Miyagi-ken Oki
    Depth about 40 km
    Magnitude 7.4"

    --
    Uh, Linux geek since 1999.
  11. Article on MercuryNews.com by De+Lemming · · Score: 4, Informative

    Article: Magnitude 7.4 earthquake hits off Japan coast

    Some quotes: "Officials say Thursday's quake was a 7.4-magnitude and hit 25 miles (40 kilometers) under the water and off the coast of Miyagi prefecture." "Buildings as far away as Tokyo shook for about a minute." "The Japan meteorological agency issued a tsunami warning for a wave of up to one meter." "Hundreds of aftershocks have shaken the northeast region devastated by the March 11 earthquake, but few have been stronger than 7.0."

    1. Re:Article on MercuryNews.com by Habberhead · · Score: 1

      I know you didn't write it, but I've seen a number of posts that quote ridiculous stats...

      25 miles under water is a slight exaggeration.

    2. Re:Article on MercuryNews.com by _0xd0ad · · Score: 1

      What? The USGS states that the depth was 49.0 km, and that's not even all that particularly deep. Some of the quakes listed for the past few days were much deeper.

      http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_all.php

  12. l2type by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "Tsuanmi warning"?

    C'mon...

    1. Re:l2type by Qzukk · · Score: 3, Funny

      hey, you try typing on a shaking keyboard!

      --
      If I have been able to see further than others, it is because I bought a pair of binoculars.
  13. maybe some good can come... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would say that I hope this tsunami somehow cools of the nuclear reactor, but it would probably come off as cynical, so I won't say it.

  14. Re:Crap! by somersault · · Score: 1

    i have no problem imaging Stevists in a circlejerk

    Eww.

    --
    which is totally what she said
  15. Earth-Pissed Japanese in Space by Massacrifice · · Score: 1, Interesting

    It's the psychological damage from repeated quakes that'll be the worse. Gaia's just rubbing salt in the japanese open flesh wound, over and over. If I'd be japanese, I'd be quite cross at this fucking planet. Cue in massive JAXA funding for moonbase in 3, 2, 1...

    --
    -- Home is where you eat your heart out.
    1. Re:Earth-Pissed Japanese in Space by elrous0 · · Score: 2

      Maybe someone from the future is trying to sink the island before they start turning out robot armies.

      --
      SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
    2. Re:Earth-Pissed Japanese in Space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [Shrug] If it wasn't for subduction-related tectonics and the resulting earthquakes the islands of Japan wouldn't exist in the first place.

      If there's one lesson worth learning on this planet we call home, it is that you have to be prepared to deal with what nature dishes out, because sometimes she's pretty brutal. As it is, Japan does a VERY good job of this when it comes to earthquakes, probably the best job of preparing for earthquakes of any country in the world. It's hard to see what a difference this makes, but it does. An enormous difference. It is pretty grim to say that "only" a couple tens of thousands of people may have been killed in the recent earthquake, but the reality is, had the same event happened in most other countries of the world we would probably be talking about over 100 thousand killed. Skeptical? Compare to the 2004 tsunami and earthquake in Indonesia. Compare to other historical earthquakes. It isn't much of a consolation for the people who have lost so much, and of course there is room for improvement, but a lot of people that are struggling with the situation in Japan would probably be dead if it wasn't for the substantial investment Japan has made in earthquake and tsunami preparedness over the years. I think they understand Gaia pretty well, even if she is in a crabby mood at the moment.

    3. Re:Earth-Pissed Japanese in Space by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      Maybe someone from the future is trying to sink the island before they start turning out robot armies.

      Unfortunately, the way these time-travel-causality things work, it will be their attempts to sink the island that prompt the Japanese to start producing giant robot armies.

      "A fake fortuneteller can be tolerated. But an authentic soothsayer should be shot on sight. Cassandra did not get half the kicking around she deserved." -- Lazarus Long

      --
      "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies."
    4. Re:Earth-Pissed Japanese in Space by GooberToo · · Score: 2

      Or more likely, completely destroy the oceanic ecosystem.

      While tragic, the disasters in Japan have brought a small yet direly needed reprieve from Japan's massive and completely disproportionate over fishing of the seas.

    5. Re:Earth-Pissed Japanese in Space by Daetrin · · Score: 1

      If I'd be japanese, I'd be quite cross at this fucking planet.

      Breaking news! Squenix has finally announced a remake of Final Fantasy 7, featuring a brand new ending! After having to deal with one too many Weapon attacks, Cloud and company get pissed off and team up with Sephiroth to kick Gaia's ass!

      --
      This Space Intentionally Left Blank
    6. Re:Earth-Pissed Japanese in Space by geekoid · · Score: 1

      ah Heinlein. Any excuse to mistreat a woman, eh?

      --
      The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
  16. California, Pacific NW are next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The ring of fire has been clobbering everyone except the US. Indonesia, Chile, Japan all hit with 8s and 9s in the last few years. Strain is accumulating west of N. America. Very soon the west coast of the US is going to get nailed hard. It's been 47 years since N. America got hit by anything really big; Alaska's 9.2 in 1962.

    Nine point two.

    The clock is ticking.

    1. Re:California, Pacific NW are next by Thorfinn.au · · Score: 1

      So the 6.7 and the 4 * 5 that have hit Indonesia this week are not significant

    2. Re:California, Pacific NW are next by 228e2 · · Score: 1

      Yea, what the hell is up with America always getting a pass?!? Can they at least get a city destroying hurricane every now and then?

      oh wait . . .

      --
      Since when does being a Socialist mean 'someone who has a different opinion than me'?
    3. Re:California, Pacific NW are next by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Goddamn you, Lex Luthor!

      --
      The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
    4. Re:California, Pacific NW are next by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      Goddamn you, Lex Luthor!

      Funny how that's pretty close to reality: Jor-el and Kal-el were so named, because the Jewish tradition is to have a word ending in "el" mean "of God" -- witness Gabriel, Ezekiel, Daniel, etc. The Superman authors wanted to ensure people got the connection, so they added a hyphen before the ending "el". So, if Kal-el is strongly against Lex Luthor, then from the authors' perspective, God is damning LL.

      --
      I feel fantastic, and I'm still alive.
  17. Japan Meteorological Agency Website... by torxim · · Score: 5, Informative

    For near real-time info surrounding the Tsunami impact http://www.jma.go.jp/en/tsunami/

    1. Re:Japan Meteorological Agency Website... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All warnings have been cancelled as of 00:55 JST. See http://www.jma.go.jp/en/tsunami/

    2. Re:Japan Meteorological Agency Website... by Heian-794 · · Score: 2

      Map with local magnitudes (on the Japanese "shindo" scale):

      http://tenki.jp/earthquake/detail-4575.html

      Tenki.jp was my go-to site during the last quake. It shows quakes and tsunami warnings, updated almost instantly.

  18. What's the worst that could happen? by Above · · Score: 1

    I mean, it's just a little wave. It's not like a full on nuclear disaster.

    1. Re:What's the worst that could happen? by quenda · · Score: 2

      I mean, it's just a little wave. It's not like a full on nuclear disaster.

      And the "nuclear disaster" pales into triviality compared to the tsunami that caused it, despite the media obsession.
      Oh, ... you were being ironic. Sorry.

  19. the US West Coast is next by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Insightful

    it's long overdue

    could take a month, could take a decade, but if you live on the US West Coast and you have not prepared for the big one, now is the time

    --
    intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
    1. Re:the US West Coast is next by ub3r+n3u7r4l1st · · Score: 1

      Imagine all the stress that are building up on San Andreas fault as a result of the quakes across the pacific.

      A mag-10 quake could be possible on the west coast.

    2. Re:the US West Coast is next by ClippyHater · · Score: 1

      I'd read that due to the type of fault in the west coast that such high-mag quakes simply won't happen (though undoubtedly they'll be severe enough to everyone who lives through them).

    3. Re:the US West Coast is next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, long overdue, much like a certain low-budget Filipino horror film

    4. Re:the US West Coast is next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The San Andreas isn't the fault seismologists are concerned with. The Hayward fault is where we're going to see the big show.

    5. Re:the US West Coast is next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They'll be even more severe to those who don't.

    6. Re:the US West Coast is next by Millennium · · Score: 1

      IIRC, the West coast is on the other side of the same plate system as the points in Japan that have been having these quakes. I'm not sure if this works for or against it -I'm not a seismologist- but it does seem to be cause for concern.

    7. Re:the US West Coast is next by circletimessquare · · Score: 0

      LOL

      someday

      you can see pieces of it here, i just did a demo reel for the main actor in it last month:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox-0FGIE3Ak

      --
      intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
    8. Re:the US West Coast is next by Spatial · · Score: 2

      Overdue? Sounds like gambler's fallacy to me.

    9. Re:the US West Coast is next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You are quite correct. Large-magnitude (>9.0) earthquakes are called megathrust earthquakes and only occur in subduction zones, i.e. fault lines where one tectonic plate slips under another one. The San Andreas fault is a slip fault, in other words a fault where two tectonic plates slip past each other. The two subduction zones closest to the US mainland are at southern Central America and at the Aleutian Islands.

    10. Re:the US West Coast is next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is not how plate tectonics work. The quakes are happening all around the pacific plate. There was a quake in Mexico right as this quake in Japan struck. The whole plate is shifting. There have been quakes in all the major fault points except the US West Coast.

      Pressure is building... It's coming, you can bet on it and if it doesn't release the pressure in small doses over time then it's going to be a big one.

    11. Re:the US West Coast is next by wytcld · · Score: 1

      The fault near Oregon has caused quakes at least as bad as what Japan just had in the past.

      --
      "with their freedom lost all virtue lose" - Milton
    12. Re:the US West Coast is next by Nimey · · Score: 1

      COME BACK TO K5 WE MISS YOU

      --
      Hail Eris, full of mischief...

      E pluribus sanguinem
    13. Re:the US West Coast is next by wytcld · · Score: 2

      More at Wikipedia. Summary: Can easily go over 9.0 from N. California to BC. If that happens, Portland, Seattle and Vancouver would be severely damaged.

      --
      "with their freedom lost all virtue lose" - Milton
    14. Re:the US West Coast is next by Enonu · · Score: 1

      Agreed.

      I think it's just as valid to say that Japan's earthquakes are a paid cost that the rest of the world no longer has to absorb by having earthquakes in their region. Japan takes one for the team so to say. But I'm talking out of my ass.

      If there were any real models that measured likelihood of an earthquake in region X with any degree of reliability, I'd have a fucking widget for in on my phone. "The weather is 64 degrees, 10% chance of rain, and 1e-5% chance for a 6.0 magnitude or larger earthquake."

    15. Re:the US West Coast is next by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      Overdue? Sounds like gambler's fallacy to me.

      It isn't and it is. Since stress builds up over time, the comparison to gambler's fallacy isn't a good one -- a lack of a particular result, say, an earthquake this year, really does increase the odds of that result the next year. On the other hand, since the amount of stress that can build up before it "breaks" is unpredictable, so it's nonsense to talk about when a quake is "due", and thus likewise nonsense to talk about it being "overdue".

      --
      "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies."
    16. Re:the US West Coast is next by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      I think it's just as valid to say that Japan's earthquakes are a paid cost that the rest of the world no longer has to absorb by having earthquakes in their region.

      Not really. The pressure an earthquake relieves is extremely local. The plates are huge and a very small (relative to the plate) change results in a huge earthquake.

      --
      Your ad here. Ask me how!
    17. Re:the US West Coast is next by couchslug · · Score: 1

      There is not much "preparation for the big one" other than a good bug out location in another state along with the kit, route planning (which routes AROUND choke points!) and personal transportation to get you there. Have paper maps and a compass and know how to use them. GPS is lovely, but backup is even better. Radios are nice to have, and a CB will let you listen to truckers and other users for traffic info as well as report emergencies when cell towers are down.

      It's not unreasonable to hike 25 miles a day even for a fat sloth like me, and a bicycle will take you much further as well as haul some water and MREs. (Don't bring food you actually LIKE as you'll use it up too quickly.) Folks with motorcycles will have even more range.

      You don't need expensive gear, but you should have at least one pair of hiking boots (much love for GI desert boots!) and several pairs of socks. Break in the boots when you get them or you will suffer badly breaking them in on the march out.

      --
      "This post is an artistic work of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
    18. Re:the US West Coast is next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Imagine all the stress that is building up in the people around San Andreas as a result of the quakes across the pacific!

    19. Re:the US West Coast is next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cool, you saw Armageddon too, huh?

    20. Re:the US West Coast is next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the USGS says magitude 10 is impossible at http://earthquake.usgs.gov/learn/topics/megaquakes.php

      The simple truth is that there are no known faults capable of generating a magnitude 10 or larger “mega-quake.”

    21. Re:the US West Coast is next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know why they are stressing, what happens across the Pacific is not their fault.

    22. Re:the US West Coast is next by vlueboy · · Score: 1

      Silicon Valley ...tech is huge over there and in high spirits with tablets, smartphones and investment in so many startups. Bloomberg TV even opened a studio for a new 1hour spot reporting from California.

      Would hate to see it a Big One destroy maim Silicon Valley even temporarily and bring down the economy yet again. The World Trade Center's destruction in NYC was bad enough that 10 years later we feel the economic effects of firms that were forced to relocate.

    23. Re:the US West Coast is next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Imagine all the stress that are building up on San Andreas fault as a result of the quakes across the pacific.

      A mag-10 quake could be possible on the west coast.

      Makes sense. Everything is larger in the US.

    24. Re:the US West Coast is next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No a mag-10 quake is not going to happen because idea of stress going across the Pacific does not work. The plates are not solid, they have many faults where small slips would accumulate. Think of the crumple zone in the front of a car that protects passengers in a wreck.

    25. Re:the US West Coast is next by geekoid · · Score: 1

      bicyclys don't take you over bridges that aren't their anymore.

      25 miles is unreasonable. Especially if you are traveling with other people or kids. You must stop periodically, you must be sure to consume enough calories, you need to set up a sleeping area, you must account for rough terrain. If you aren't doing this sort of thing regularly and you over do it. You will have blisters, sore knees, aching back, sore shoulders. If you push another 25 miles the next day, you will most likley ahve a serious injury.

      10 miles -15 miles is a better number to plan for.

      If you have to go 25 miles becasuse of a larger concern, then yes, push your self. But otherwise pace.

      There is a reason the military doesn't through a heavy pack on a person and have them march 25 miles on the 1st day new recruits arrive.

      I walk 4 miles a day, and I would be hesitant to plan a walk of 25 miles while carrying goods.

      2 miles in the morning, 2 miles in the evening. each trip take me 40 minutes. so 20 minutes a mile. 25 miles would be 500 minutes. And that assumes I won't be slowing downs as I walk, no rest break, and I would be carrying 25 pounds of stuff.

      Add to it I would probable have 10 year old, a 13 year old with me.

      Take enough water and food for at least 3 days, and then walk away from the quake area.

      If you still think I am wrong, then get your kit and start walking. Since we are talking about a 10.0 earthquake, assume all the bridges are down. So you need to go thought rivers, or down gullies. I highly suggest you tell people you are doing it, and take someone with you.

      hell, go down to the school, and walk around their track until you get to 25 miles with your kit. Then do it again the next day.

      --
      The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
    26. Re:the US West Coast is next by Algae_94 · · Score: 1

      You missed a big one in the Pacific Northwest, the Cascadia subduction zone. This could cause a megathrust quake that would be devastating to Portland, Seattle or Vancouver.

      I also like to consider myself part of the US mainland and the Alaska Subduction zone extends well past the Aleutians to South central AK where I am at. Although, I fully understand that US mainland usually refers to the contiguous 48 states

    27. Re:the US West Coast is next by Kyusaku+Natsume · · Score: 1

      I would worry more about northern Mexico, cities like Tijuana and Mexicali. Our building standards are good on paper, but developers get away building substandard overpriced crap thanks to our endemic corruption.

      --
      Mexico: 100% conservative's America now!
    28. Re:the US West Coast is next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Source? The West coast is big so define please, Oregon/Vancouver are vulnerable to big earthquakes and major Tsunamis so expect those cities to be wiped out first by a 100 foot tsunami wave as history has shown by previous Tsunamis that hit that area. San Francisco is obviously the biggest one who has to worry.

      From everything I have gathered from geologist in the last couple of years on television/radio interviews, their recent analysis of the fault lines is that they are like a spider web of cracks in Southern California. So we are not likely to have that big thrust but little ones constantly.
      Also there are no fault lines off shore so we don't really have to worry about Tsunamis, especially since most of California coast has lots of cliffs and high grounds along the shore. Sadly the city I live in is in a old marsh/swamp area and is the most vulnerable to Tsunamis.

      I think people in Tennessee have more to worry about, considering on the of the biggest quakes in the mainland hit that area and sent the Mississippi flowing backwards it was so strong. In fact those people should all be living in tents because they literally have no earthquake codes and lots of building that will go flat as soon as it strikes.

    29. Re:the US West Coast is next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In this case he is right. The geological evidence shows major ones on periodic time frames in California. The last 'big one' was in 86. Also it wasnt as big as what the geological evidence shows should have happened (by about 20 years). So yes it is 'overdue'.

      At this point though to say what is happening in Japan is a precursor to what will happen in Cal is pure speculation. However lets say a similar event were to happen in say san diego or L.A.. It would not be pretty.

    30. Re:the US West Coast is next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's only gambler's fallacy if the probability of an earthquake occuring at different times are independent random events.

      Earthquakes, if modeled as pressure building up over time, can certainly be "overdue", meaning the pressure is more likely to be reaching the threshold at which an earthquake occurs.

    31. Re:the US West Coast is next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only if you think that the earth is static :-)
      As the plates move, stress builds up, so a big quake on locked parts slowly becomes more likely.
      If you pull two sides of a piece of paper apart, at some point it is going to rip.

    32. Re:the US West Coast is next by pclminion · · Score: 1

      The gamblers fallacy only applies when the events are independent of each other. Earthquake events are clearly not independent of each other. If you take a piece of plywood, set it up on two cinder blocks, and start applying weight to the center of the board, displacing it further and further, it goes without saying that the board is more likely to snap in half the more it is displaced -- or are you going to dispute something as obvious as that?

    33. Re:the US West Coast is next by pclminion · · Score: 1

      I bet you don't wake up at the same time every day, for a number of unpredictable reasons. But if you failed to wake up for a 48 hour period, I'd say you were "overdue." The exact frequency of you waking up is unpredictable, but there is in fact some underlying cause for you waking up, and this can be examined scientifically.

    34. Re:the US West Coast is next by sznupi · · Score: 1

      You don't have to actually ride on a bicycle all the time, in rough spots; bikes can be... carried (like if there's a need to go through rivers or down gullies; shouldn't be much worse with a bike than when considering only the supplies you'd already carry). Even when the terrain is unsuitable for riding for some time, using it as a cart can save you lots of effort.

      --
      One that hath name thou can not otter
    35. Re:the US West Coast is next by sznupi · · Score: 1

      ...on Earth.

      --
      One that hath name thou can not otter
    36. Re:the US West Coast is next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you stretch a rubber band a little more each day, and you get past the point where most other rubber bands have snapped, it's not gambler's fallacy to assume that this one is also going to break pretty soon. It's physics.

    37. Re:the US West Coast is next by Macrat · · Score: 1

      it's long overdue

      could take a month, could take a decade, but if you live on the US West Coast and you have not prepared for the big one, now is the time

      The "big one" for the midwest will be a bigger disaster as building codes and public aren't prepared for it.

    38. Re:the US West Coast is next by WillDraven · · Score: 1

      Plate tectonics is not gambling or flipping pennies. The plates are trying to move, and when they don't tension builds up. Eventually this tension is released as an earthquake. I don't know enough about the faults on the west coast to say that the GP's 'overdue' statement is true, I'm just saying that if the conditions are right, it could be.

      --
      This is my sig. There are many like it but this one is mine.
    39. Re:the US West Coast is next by couchslug · · Score: 1

      You are absolutely right. The Viet Cong moved thousands of tons of supplies by bicycle under horrendous conditions including air attack.

      http://www.psywarrior.com/BicycleSuppliesTrail.jpg

      http://www.travelersdigest.com/war_pics/bikes.jpg

      http://www.country-data.com/frd/cs/vietnam/vn01_07h.jpg

      They walked the bikes so they could carry more, but a modern bicycle trailer would also work well.

      --
      "This post is an artistic work of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
    40. Re:the US West Coast is next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The anticipated quake on the Hayward won't be that big. It's the fact that it's next to so many substandard buildings that makes it "big". I would not want to be in a "soft story" apartment building in Oakland during that. The last Hayward quake was about 150 years ago, and the geological record indicates they happen about every 150 years so it's the biggest threat.

      Of equal concern is a megathrust in the Pacific Northwest. It would be similar to what Japan is experiencing now. Just as in Japan, the 9.0 wouldn't be right downtown, it would be off the coast. The tsunami would do most of the damage. Even significant parts of San Francisco could be flooded. Geological records indicate they happen every 3-500 years, and the last one was 300 years ago so we are just getting to the threat.

      The San Andreas is a concern too of course; but if history repeats itself we will have several more moderate (6.0 to 7.0) quakes in the Bay Area over the next few decades before a 8.0 hits. The San Adreas is, AFAIK, a bigger problem in LA.

      Of course all of this is based on the past. IMHO, faults are RRNGs (Real Random Number Generators). There could even be an unknown fault right under your feet that generates a 7.0 in a city that "never has quakes". Or, the Calveras fault in Hollister could decide to lock up for a few decades and then we get a 8.0 in the middle of a national park where it's not such a big deal.

    41. Re:the US West Coast is next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More like the West Coast of the US is an active location (East Coast is stable), and thus the stress is always building up. If the stress isn't released often enough as small quakes, then a single strong one will occur.

      There are also historical averages too. For example, each county in Florida has a measurement of 1 Hurricane per X number of years.

    42. Re:the US West Coast is next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know that there's a difference between gambling and tension building up between tectonic plates?

    43. Re:the US West Coast is next by Nimey · · Score: 1

      Oh, that's why Rusty shut the gate.

      --
      Hail Eris, full of mischief...

      E pluribus sanguinem
    44. Re:the US West Coast is next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not gambler's fallacy. Each round of a game is IID and no information about the current game is gained from the outcome of past ones. For an earthquake though, it's expected that they tend to occur at regular intervals so whether an earthquake occured or didn't occur yesterday does give you information. Earthquake outcomes are not IID, but they are exchangeable (see de Finetti's theorem).

    45. Re:the US West Coast is next by jamesh · · Score: 1

      Definitely. Start camping out on the streets away from tall buildings now.

    46. Re:the US West Coast is next by grouchomarxist · · Score: 1

      I don't know about earthquakes, but the gambler's fallacy applies if the chance of an event occurring is random (or independent). Saying that an event is overdue is perhaps suggesting that it is not random, that the system has some type of memory. Perhaps tension is building up and will be released.

    47. Re:the US West Coast is next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gambler's fallacy would require independence of earthquakes, but clearly subsequent earthquakes at the same site occur more frequently after a big one. For different regions, it's not entirely clear, but there *is* an argument to be made that if one side of a tectonic plate is shaken, then it builds up tension that is released by the other side shaking a little later. In the last 14 months, we've had Chile, New Zealand, and Japan. That leaves one side...

    48. Re:the US West Coast is next by sznupi · · Score: 1

      Too bad the bikes are ultimately derided in many of the places in question, with so called car "culture"(?)... especialy considering how great they can work out in practice in tandem. Having most of the time a folding bike in the trunk is quite easy (even in a supermini); and often very handy (a sort of personal variant of hub-and-spoke transport model)

      --
      One that hath name thou can not otter
  20. Quick, it must be Orochi! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone find the sacrificial maidens

    1. Re:Quick, it must be Orochi! by Millennium · · Score: 1

      The Shinnosuke arc rocked, but are you sure many people are going to get this?

    2. Re:Quick, it must be Orochi! by Tr3vin · · Score: 1

      I take that it all of your knowledge about Japanese legends are confined to manga and anime. Orochi was an eight-headed dragon. You really should look into some of the stories behind the various plot elements found in anime. Some of them are quite interesting.

  21. Really? BBC Twitter as your source? by thomasdz · · Score: 4, Informative

    The USGS is like a million times better.
        Here's the link: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/usc0002ksa.php
    and here's the Tsunami info:
        http://ptwc.weather.gov/ptwc/text.php?id=pacific.2011.04.07.143955

    --
    Karma: Excellent. 15 moderator points expire sometime.
  22. 7.4 versus 9.0 by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    the richter scale is logarithmic so a 9 is something like 30 times larger in energy than a 7.4. On the other hand the march quake was initially rated as a 7.1 scale quake then updated later to 9.

    --
    Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
    1. Re:7.4 versus 9.0 by Nick+Ives · · Score: 1

      On the Richter Scale each whole number represents an order of magnitude difference in energy, so a 9 is 100 times more powerful than a 7.

      --
      Nick
    2. Re:7.4 versus 9.0 by Kentari · · Score: 4, Informative

      One step in magnitude means a factor 10 increase in ground displacement. In energy this is about a factor 30 per magnitude. A 7.0 packs about 900 times less energy than a 9.0. The new earthquake has already been revised to 7.1.

    3. Re:7.4 versus 9.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the Richter Scale each whole number represents an order of magnitude difference in energy, so a 9 is 100 times more powerful than a 7.

      Yes, it is also 10 times larger than an 8, and 30 times larger than a 7.4.

       

    4. Re:7.4 versus 9.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And 7.4 is between 7 (a 9 would be 100times as powerful) and 8 (a 9 would be 10 times as powerful). So a 9 is 10 to 100 times as powerful as a 7.4. 30 is in that range.

    5. Re:7.4 versus 9.0 by MarkGriz · · Score: 1

      "so a 9 is 100 times more powerful than a 7"

      Yes, but a 9 is only about 30x more powerful than a 7.4, as the parent stated.

      Actually it's closer to 40: 10^(9-7.4) = 39.8

      --
      Beauty is in the eye of the beerholder.
    6. Re:7.4 versus 9.0 by mcneely.mike · · Score: 1

      Yes, but does it go to 11?

      --
      soylentnews.org Go there to enjoy the people!
    7. Re:7.4 versus 9.0 by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      and a 9 is 39 times more powerful than a 7.4.

    8. Re:7.4 versus 9.0 by maxume · · Score: 2

      A 9 releases 1000 times the energy of a 7:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moment_magnitude_scale#Definition

      And a 9 is about 250 times more powerful than a 7.4 (there is a factor of 1.5 in the exponent that "it's just a logarithmic scale" misses).

      --
      Nerd rage is the funniest rage.
    9. Re:7.4 versus 9.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      More info
      Each step is closer to ~32, while 2 steps are exactly 1000 times apart. With a 1.9 difference, the March quake was ~708 times larger than this quake. That is until they revise their numbers again (the technique for determining epicenter, focus, and magnitude is iterative, so the numbers get more accurate as they process the data).

  23. A Twitter feed? by Red_Chaos1 · · Score: 1

    Seriously? Twitter is not news. Link an actual new site ffs. Thanks.

    1. Re:A Twitter feed? by zevans · · Score: 1

      In the UK, this is rapidly becoming the other way around. I look at newspapers and then dig around on Twitter to find out what's really happening, without the Murdoch-filter and egregious violations of NPOV.

      --
      "... and more and more now there are all kinds of electronic goodies available" -- Pink Floyd 1972
    2. Re:A Twitter feed? by jonbryce · · Score: 2

      It is the BBC's twitter feed. They hadn't written the article at that point, but they have now, and you can find it here. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-13005110

    3. Re:A Twitter feed? by Thomas+Charron · · Score: 1

      No one else had reported it yet.

      --
      -- I'm the root of all that's evil, but you can call me cookie..
    4. Re:A Twitter feed? by caranha · · Score: 1

      Seriously. I have been following many reporters in Japan on Twitter, and some "serious" news outlet. The twitter feeds have been doing a much better job in posting up-to-date news and commentaries, and fighting the spread of rumors. I used not to take twitter seriously either, until it became my main source of info for this disaster.

      It is all about who you follow.

    5. Re:A Twitter feed? by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      Seriously? Twitter is not news. Link an actual new site ffs. Thanks.

      The BBC is an actual news organization. Their news doesn't become any more or less news depending on which format they choose to publish it in. Cutting and pasting the same text into a different window doesn't change the accuracy of the text.

      --
      "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies."
    6. Re:A Twitter feed? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      And why isn't it? The media format is not what drive the quality of the news, it's the source. A BBC twitter feed announcing that their was an earthquake is a really solid source.

      AND it's a great way for people to get the initial information.

      You peoples blind hatred of twitter is beneath you and making you look like a Luddite . Twitter is a tool. Nothing more.

      --
      The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
    7. Re:A Twitter feed? by Red_Chaos1 · · Score: 1

      Except for the fact that by the time I had seen this (slightly before I posted my comment), A quick Google search yielded much more informative results than a shitty twitter feed that merely stated there'd been and earthquake and a tsunami warning had been issued.

      Twitter might be great at getting a quick notice of something out. But this was sorely lacking in information. I come to /. for that actual information, not for re-posts of brief tweets that have no other information. That hardly makes me a "Luddite."

      This reply goes for all the rest of the knee-jerkers rushing to protect their precious little twitter as well.

  24. time to buy land in NV near the CA border by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    time to buy land in NV near the CA border. beach side casinos.

    1. Re:time to buy land in NV near the CA border by dynamic_cast · · Score: 1

      You've been watching to much Superman.

    2. Re:time to buy land in NV near the CA border by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 1

      Or listening to too much Bill Hicks.

      --
      Linux, you magnificent bastard, I read the fucking manual!
    3. Re:time to buy land in NV near the CA border by Algae_94 · · Score: 1

      CA has no risk of "falling" into the ocean. The faults there are all transform boundaries and slide horizontally against each other. Even if it were possible, do you think a seismic event of a scale that destroys a piece of continental plate the size of California would have no effects outside of that state? Can you imagine the size of the Tsunami that would head across the Pacific?

  25. Yeah, I was waiting for this by jez9999 · · Score: 1

    There's bound to be some semi-major quakes in the near future as well... I've been saying they need to do something to get that nuclear material away from Fukushima rather soon. Another tsunami hitting it probably wouldn't end well.

    1. Re:Yeah, I was waiting for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been saying they need to do something to get that nuclear material away from Fukushima rather soon.

      I'll get you a pair of leather gloves. Go for it.

  26. There's a Google Gadget for that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I recently came across a google gadget that show recent magnitude 4+ earthquakes worldwide... http://www.google.com/ig/directory?url=earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/mapplets/earthquakes.xml

    The gadget gets added to your igoogle page and shows where earthquakes have occurred in the past hour on an interactive Google Map - as with any map, you can zoom scroll etc. The size of the circle implies the magnitude of the quake, and the colour, how recently it occurred - past hour in red, past day, orange and past week yellow.... click the 'Earthquake Details' link in the info window for any icon on the map to get more specific information about that particular quake

    1. Re:There's a Google Gadget for that... by TakeABow · · Score: 1

      This is actually a pretty cool thing. I would like to see a slider to adjust the minimum magnitude value to display though.

    2. Re:There's a Google Gadget for that... by turtledawn · · Score: 1

      *pft* They can't even give us a way to only show a limited range of hours on the calendar - not even presets, not even for a paying F500 customer- and you want a magnitude adjustment slider? Yes it would be very nice though!

      --
      Uh, "if it looks roughly mouse-shaped according to my infra-red sensitive pit, eat it"? --Chris Burke 09-08-10
  27. News on /. who'da thought by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is this a new Trend? Color me impressed, been a bit since an actual news story was on here.

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/04/07/japan.quake/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1

  28. Cluster-Fukushima by wcrowe · · Score: 3, Funny

    Just trying to coin a new term.

    --
    Proverbs 21:19
    1. Re:Cluster-Fukushima by erroneus · · Score: 1

      In that I would say you wcrowe'd that one up...

    2. Re:Cluster-Fukushima by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's too long to catch on. You should abbreviate to Cluster-Fuk

  29. Where did 9.2 come from? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I only heard 9.0 for the Japan earthquake. Did they officially upgrade it? If so, please update the wikipedia page.

    If not, where did the number come from.

    Also: 9.3 != 7.4
    In case you did not know.

    1. Re:Where did 9.2 come from? by vlueboy · · Score: 1

      You're right. We're as inaccurate as any other forum today, for some reason. Also, I seem to remember that it was never 9.0; rather, it was 8.9; the media should be fined logarithmicly for daring to round up 0.1 units in the Richter scale --it's exponentially more incorrect the larger the disaster.

      Also note that 7.4 was officially downgraded to 7.1. See the newsspoiler.com result as of 1PM ET:
      http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=7.1+earthquake+downgraded

      There's no hour on the post, though. Am I the only one bothered by the tendency of blogs to lack public timestamps so that google ambiguously obsolete posts next to relevant ones ?

  30. Re:Really? BBC Twitter as your source? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    USGS is calling it a mag 7.1 not a 7.4. A significant difference. Please update the story subject line.

  31. USGS Real-time Earthquakes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can see where earthquakes have occurred in near realtime using the igoogle gadget:

    http://www.google.com/ig/directory?url=earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/mapplets/earthquakes.xml

  32. Downgraded to 7.1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42473172/ns/world_news-asia-pacific/

    Lowered from 7.4 to 7.1

  33. Funny? Not really. Ironic? Maybe. True? Definitely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Note the lame post-facto "sorta apology" to the readers.
    http://www.zdnet.com/blog/apple/how-will-japan-earthquake-affect-apples-ipad-supply-chain/9763

    Authorâ(TM)s Note: A number of readers have complained that this article is insensitive to the pain and suffering of the Japanese people. Please accept my sincere apology. I have friends and former colleagues in Japan and I offered them my prayers for their safety and recovery last night. I have been to Japan and have a respect for its traditions and people. The devastation from the quake is terrible.

    At the same time, my editorial mission here is to look at Apple, its products and markets. If that appears callous, I ask your forbearance. Some of the comments in the story were made several months ago, so please keep that context in mind.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/gene-munster-apple-supply-demand-2011-3

    Apple's supply chain is likely temporarily going to be affected by the Japan earthquake and tsunami, Piper Jaffray analyst Gene Munster writes today, but demand for Apple products is stronger than ever, he says, and that should ultimately drive shares higher.

    Hilarious phrasing here, "not much impact - more worried about the impact in the next quarter":
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12782566

    "In the short term, there won't be much impact," said chief executive Yang Yuanqing of Lenovo. "We are more worried about the impact in the next quarter."

    No shit? Employee absences common?
    http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?section_id=774&doc_id=205416&f_src=internetevolution_gnews

    Getting raw materials supplied and distributed remains a challenge in Japan. Disruptions to the country's transportation systems have made employee absences common. Interruptions in Japan's electricity supply have hindered maintenance of sensitive processes such as semiconductor lithography. Because of the setbacks, Apple delayed iPad2 shipments by one week from the original March 25 launch to allow it to catch up with production, given the shortfall in Japan-sourced parts.

    But don't worry. Apple's supply chain is very robust and you'll be able to get your iPrick in time for Christmas.
    http://www.minyanville.com/businessmarkets/articles/thestreet-apple-supply-chain-japan-supply/4/4/2011/id/33755

    Apple's (AAPL) supply chain remains robust, according to analyst firm Canaccord Genuity.

    "While we believe supply could be tight for the industry due to Japan, we believe Apple is leveraging its dominant market position and will fare much better than competitors," wrote Canaccord analyst Michael Walkley in a note Monday. "We believe suppliers will likely provide Apple with preferential supply, as Apple is often the largest customer for many suppliers."

  34. it IS a logical fallacy by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    it's also a useful figure of speech

    we are standing at the intersection of science and psychology here. you tell me which is more persuasive with the general public. so i say "overdue", in complete udnerstanding of why that word is not accurate, and i do so with a clean mind. i am trying to motivate people, and science won't do that. psychology will

    of course, you have to worry about boy-who-cried-wolf effects:

    http://volcanism.wordpress.com/2010/09/17/londons-overdue-killer-quake-a-case-study-in-media-sensationalism/

    --
    intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
    1. Re:it IS a logical fallacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      we are standing at the intersection of science and psychology here. you tell me which is more persuasive with the general public. so i say "overdue", in complete udnerstanding of why that word is not accurate, and i do so with a clean mind.

      In other words, you have successfully rationalized deception. Your superior worth and judgement allows you to lie to those beneath you, while you simultaneously preen about your superior virtue.

      Disgusting.

    2. Re:it IS a logical fallacy by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      the only one preening is you. i have accepted that people won't get every nuance of math and science, and adjust accordingly. its called pragmatism. all you have going for you is unworkable idealism and a bloated ego to match that folly

      --
      intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
  35. To: Mother Nature by BriggsBU · · Score: 2

    Leave Japan alone :(

    1. Re:To: Mother Nature by geekoid · · Score: 1

      RULE #1:
      Don't antagonize crazy bitches.

      --
      The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
  36. Re:Crap! by tripleevenfall · · Score: 1

    You know, Apple stuff all comes from China, not Japan. ("Designed" in California though. In case you only buy American "designed" stuff)

  37. Re:Crap! by erroneus · · Score: 1

    While at some level I understand your thoughts on this, I think there is a serious amount of hate and anger stored up in there somewhere. You should at least attempt to evaluate yourself a bit if not simply get some professional help. On my life of "first thoughts" Apple's supply chain doesn't even make the top 20 thoughts or concerns.

    But since I bring that up...

    My top "first thoughts" on the subject are (in no particular order of importance)
    1. What?! Again!? Crap!!!
    2. I'm glad I don't have or know anyone in the affected areas.
    3. There is no way they can be prepared for this one.
    4. This is a lesson to the Japanese business/government crowd as to the importance of disaster preparedness and planning, and that expenses for safety isn't eligible for reduction when seeking to increase their bottom lines.
    5. When will all the wise-asses who have no sympathy for those suffering natural disasters respond?

  38. Re:Really? BBC Twitter as your source? by _0xd0ad · · Score: 1

    It'll take a while for the scientists to agree on what it was. In the meantime, changing anything would be premature.

  39. NHK reports no tsunami alert anymore. by caranha · · Score: 1

    Tsunami alert has been called off.

  40. Re:Really? BBC Twitter as your source? by bluestar · · Score: 1

    But it's a logarithmic scale, so it's really only about 4 times better.

    --
    "The cost of freedom is eternal vigilance." -Thomas Jefferson
  41. i miss k5 too by circletimessquare · · Score: 2

    the problem is the low iq racist morons

    you find those on any site, but as time went on, they tended to represent a larger and larger piece of the k5 pie (which makes sense, because they were driving anyone not a low iq racist moron away)

    k5 is a failed experiment, because it shows you can't let the inmates run the prison. you actually need to shoot a certain loud ignorant few of them in the head to keep things in order (i am advocating termination of account, not actual real life murder... i know you know i am speaking in analogy, but if the subject matter is k5, you have to be crystal clear because we are dealing with the issue of the dregs of society here, and some of those fucking retards might be reading this)

    there are perhaps only 8 people on k5 that need to be removed (and actively re-removed, along with 40 of their puppet accounts, on an ongoing basis) before k5 is useful again. but no one will remove those 8. so those loud 8 will vomit their toxic ignorance (poor michael crawford), and drive everyone else away, until k5 is just those 8 completely useless twatstains, and k5 is completely and utterly dead to the realm of human thought

    --
    intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
    1. Re:i miss k5 too by turtledawn · · Score: 1

      Agreed; I go take a look every so often and it's just shocking where it's gotten to now.

      --
      Uh, "if it looks roughly mouse-shaped according to my infra-red sensitive pit, eat it"? --Chris Burke 09-08-10
    2. Re:i miss k5 too by MrHanky · · Score: 1

      Even the racist morons have left the site now. The only ones left are the ones craving for Crawford, and a few with no place else to go. However, I just had a story on the FP, so I'm happy with it as it is.

    3. Re:i miss k5 too by khallow · · Score: 1

      the problem is the low iq racist morons

      [...]

      k5 is a failed experiment, because it shows you can't let the inmates run the prison. you actually need to shoot a certain loud ignorant few of them in the head to keep things in order (i am advocating termination of account, not actual real life murder... i know you know i am speaking in analogy, but if the subject matter is k5, you have to be crystal clear because we are dealing with the issue of the dregs of society here, and some of those fucking retards might be reading this)

      Not that dying from bullets would necessarily be bad for them. K5 turned into a hive of villainy and I was losing brain cells just reading the mess (and it wasn't helping me get my PhD).

      Still, aren't you a bit concerned that Duke Nukem Forever might be released before your movie is? ;-)

    4. Re:i miss k5 too by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      the movie sucks... technically. the acting is good. the writing is good (tooting my own horn)

      i'll release it someday. when i get over my ego and depression about its low quality technically

      but good to hear from you ;-)

      --
      intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
    5. Re:i miss k5 too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ror!

    6. Re:i miss k5 too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nigger

  42. expected by geekoid · · Score: 1

    The way the previous earthquake happened put more stress on the PAC / PHS /NAM plates.
    There where already scientists watching the Plates of Tokyo prior to the 9.0

    --
    The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
  43. Re:NOT time to buy land in NV near the CA border by mmell · · Score: 1

    You ARE aware of why the Rocky Mountains exist, right? Does that mechanical process strike you as one which is going to reverse itself?

  44. Re:Really? BBC Twitter as your source? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Until the Reps close it down.

  45. /. figures no one RTFA anyhow by fast+turtle · · Score: 1, Informative

    Just checked it with IE9/64 bit and the link is borked there too. Guess they figure since no one bothers to RTFA why have working links.

    --
    Mod me up/Mod me down: I wont frown as I've no crown
    1. Re:/. figures no one RTFA anyhow by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      It's not just TFA, it's links in comments. TFA is usually boring, but people often post interesting links in the comments (and goatse, but those are easy to ignore), and both are broken.

      --
      I am TheRaven on Soylent News
  46. Not moderate. by MoellerPlesset2 · · Score: 2

    7.4 is a major earthquake. That's about the size of the 1996 Kobe Earthquake, larger than the 1986 Loma Prieta quake. Even by Japanese standards it's large.

    It's likely to have mild effects only because it occurred far offshore, not because 7.4 is small.

    1. Re:Not moderate. by wisty · · Score: 2

      Exactly. "Moderate" is a factor of 2 things - who's talking (Japanese laugh of 5s, while the 5.6 Newcastle quake was the most devastating earthquake in Australian history - it killed 13 people) and how far away you are (a deep earthquake 100 miles away is usually safe, but a 3.0 can kill you if you are in a mineshaft, close to the hypercenter).

    2. Re:Not moderate. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      7.4 is a major earthquake. That's about the size of the 1996 Kobe Earthquake, larger than the 1986 Loma Prieta quake. Even by Japanese standards it's large.

      It's likely to have mild effects only because it occurred far offshore, not because 7.4 is small.

      Penis size or car analogy plesase.

  47. Magnetic Pole moving by scubamage · · Score: 0

    Just curious, does anyone think that the rapid increase in the rate of the magnetic pole's change could have something to do with this? The pole is created by the iron core of the earth, so theoreticaly if that liquid is rearranging, wouldn't the plates on top (more or less like ice cubes on water) be shuffling a bit to relocate? I can only imagine the closeness of the moon last month helped amplify things. Thoughts?

    1. Re:Magnetic Pole moving by NoSleepDemon · · Score: 1

      And I'm willing to bet that solar flare that almost got the Messenger spacecraft contained neutrinos that heated the Earths core upon contact. It's certainly a fascinating theory you have there.

    2. Re:Magnetic Pole moving by scubamage · · Score: 1

      Nice sarcasm. Seriously though, the main point is the rapidly increasing rate of change in the magnetic pole. Since we've noticed the increase, it seems like we've entered an active period through the pacific.

    3. Re:Magnetic Pole moving by NoSleepDemon · · Score: 1

      INAG, but I suppose if you're serious I would ask if there's been any comparable event in the past that one could draw predictions from, and what exactly 'rapidly increasing' means in this context?

    4. Re:Magnetic Pole moving by geekoid · · Score: 1

      welcome to:

      Confirmation bias.

      --
      The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
    5. Re:Magnetic Pole moving by MickLinux · · Score: 1

      I'm more inclined to think that the magma flux normally creates hotspots (such as iceland or hawaii), but takes advantage of oceanic rifts to dump heat from nuclear reactions down below.

      But I'm inclined to think that *it* matches the tectonics, not vice versa.

      Iif you look at the sudden motion of India as Gondwana shattered (145 ma), and note that there are a huge number of craters from Tiera Del Fuego to South Georgia Island in a Shoemaker-Levy-9 style strike, and then map that over to Gondwana, I think it will become perfectly clear that low-angle asteroid strikes drive plate tectonics.

      Note, too, that *if* Shiva is an asteroid, then it would appear that it too struck India at the time of the Yucatan strike (65 ma) with a low-angle strike travelling N-NE, and opened the Deccan Traps -- but also drove India straight from its location then to its location now. Quite simply, the Deccan Traps are evidence of India being partially torn in two.

      Plate tectonics is a very low energy event (1/2 m v^2: For Australia, about 10 kJ. For the whole plate, about 45 kJ... similar to a big truck going 2 m/s) but a very high momentum event (p=m*v: For australia, 10x10^12 kg*m/s, for the plate, about 45x10^12 kg*m/s). Therefore, it takes momentum transfer, not energy transfer, to affect plate motion.

      So... basically the problem here isn't a change in magma flux. Rather, it might be that everything is converging on Hawaii (China, Australia, the North American Plate, and so on), and that makes the Ring of Fire a rather hot place to be.

      Or... the problem might be that instead of giving glory to God, we are gnashing our teeth and blaspheming Him. Maybe if we allowed our chastisements to change our hearts, the problems would cease.

      --
      Correct Horse Battery Staple: 72 bits of entropy. Enter "Correct H" into google. When it generates the phrase, that's
    6. Re:Magnetic Pole moving by cstacy · · Score: 1

      Just curious, does anyone think that the rapid increase in the rate of the magnetic pole's change could have something to do with this?

      It's more likely that it's due to Global Warming.

      Besides, it's George Bush's fault!

  48. Same problem with Safari. by Slutticus · · Score: 1

    I thought it was just me.

  49. good luck my friend by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    and here's to hoping you're near the san andreas fault, and not the hayward fault, and not within a mile or two of the coast

    portland, seattle, vancouver: we will miss you

    record your beautiful cities as they are

    because soon, we will say... as they were (shudder)

    here's to hoping "as they were" does not apply to you as well

    --
    intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
    1. Re:good luck my friend by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      Portland, Seattle and Vancouver will likely have no support services for up to 6 months after "the big one", but they won't vanish.

      Vancouver has already burned to the ground once and come back stronger than ever... and if you look at the geological substrate underneath, you'll see that large parts of the area will do just fine in a major earthquake. Nearby cities like Richmond and parts of Delta (which are built on delta silt) won't fare so well, but at least there won't be a tsunami to deal with; the ocean floor bottom's just not laid out right for it in the area.

      There's no lack of water supply in the Pacific NW; the big issues will be cleaning up sewage contamination and gas leaks, and then ensuring food supply. This will take ~6 weeks to stabilize, during which time people will be under a LOT of hardship unless they've prepared for it to some degree.

    2. Re:good luck my friend by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      i don't think those cities will ever disappear. but they will definitely dramatically change. san francisco and chicago both burned down to nothing and were rebuilt, but its still appropriate to talk of "as they were". because they won't look like they were before the cataclysm again. that's what i meant

      one thing i always wondered about is how vancouver island would effect a tsunami on vancouver. seems to my memory the one in 2004 in indonesia wrapped around islands and got concentrated in some parts, dissipated in others, depending on the layout of the seabed and the channels. of course, somebody at UBC has probably devoted their entire professional career to that question already...

      --
      intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
    3. Re:good luck my friend by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      seems to my memory the one in 2004 in indonesia wrapped around islands and got concentrated in some parts, dissipated in others, depending on the layout of the seabed and the channels. of course, somebody at UBC has probably devoted their entire professional career to that question already...

      A number of people at uVic have I believe (can't recall the source material location offhand). The seabed in Indonesia is significantly different to that around Vancouver Island and the Strait of Juan de Fuca. However, at least one researcher disagrees:

      From http://library.lanl.gov/tsunami/ts274.pdf:

      To understand the threat to western Canada, it is important to understand the geological
      features off the coast of British Columbia. From northern Vancouver Island to northern
      California, the Cascadia subduction zone marks the boundary between the smaller offshore
      Juan de Fuca Plate that is sliding under the much larger North American Plate. The
      Cascadia subduction zone has the potential to generate very large earthquakes, with
      magnitude 9.0 or greater, if the fault ruptures over its entire area. The January 26, 1700,
      Cascadia earthquake produced a fault rupture with a length of 1000 km. This type of event
      is similar to the 2004 Indian Ocean Earthquake, were the fault ruptured along an estimated
      length of 1300 km. Interestingly, both subduction zones run predominantly in a north-south
      direction, thus having the potential to trigger major tsunamis in the east-west direction. For
      Cascadia, this means that tsunami waves would propagate towards Vancouver Island.
      Popular belief suggests that major nearby cities, including Vancouver, Victoria, Seattle, and
      Portland, which are located on inland waterways rather than on the coast, would be
      sheltered from the full brunt of a tsunami wave. Meanwhile, numerical modeling has shown
      that tsunami waves would travel around Vancouver Island through diffraction and impact
      Victoria and Vancouver significantly (Xie et al., 2007). This is consistent with observations
      following the 2004 Indian Ocean Tsunami, particularly on the west coast of Sri Lanka
      which was devastated by the tsunami as a result of wave propagation and diffraction around
      the island. Therefore, a megathrust earthquake along the Cascadia subduction zone has the
      potential to generate a major tsunami which would travel into the Juan de Fuca Straight,
      affecting communities along its shores.
      Understanding the tsunami hazard is a major challenge in the design of near-shoreline
      structures. However, hazard maps, which would provide inundation depths and velocities
      for design in the case of a tsunami with a given magnitude and a given return period, are
      currently not available. At present, numerical modeling is employed to provide expected
      inundation depths for a given earthquake. Xie et al. (2007) conducted numerical modeling
      of tsunamis generated from a Cascadia Fault earthquake to assess the potential tsunami risk
      for western Canada. A magnitude 9.0 earthquake, similar to the event of 1700, was assumed
      in their model. The numerical model TSUNAMI N2 was employed. The model estimated a
      maximum wave run-up of 25 m along the western shore of Vancouver Island, with an
      estimated arrival time for the first wave of 1 hour and 20 minutes.

    4. Re:good luck my friend by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      thanks, good info

      i'm a complete new york city bigot: i believe this is the best city on earth. however, i've been to vancouver twice, and both times i've been flabbergasted how awesome that city is. i would definitely and happily move there. and having worked at the world trade center until the morning of 9/11/2001, i'm not that put off by megadisaster anymore. except for the weird drug zombie town you have between chinatown and gastown. i don't know why you guys tolerate that stuff, its not like you're helping those sad sacks continue in that mode of existence

      maybe i've just had my ego tweaked, because within 10 minutes of landing, in the airport, in front of that big green stone boat thing with all the first nation gods, a first nation chick flat out picked me up and toured around the city with me the whole week just for the hell of it! no, it wasn't a con, no money was involved and i was poor anyways. it was pretty cool meeting these established first nation artists she knew well, taking in the first nation art scene, hanging out with all these first nation kids, as if i had been an old hand 10 years at it and not some dumb tourist. i lost touch with her, last i heard she was somewhere back up in the mountains with a kid. but damn you canucks know hospitality, that's for sure. or at least your first nation does!

      although, i actually sat in on a condo board meeting with my friend who owned a place there, and they were talking about a rash of recent attempted break ins, and out came all this anti-american commentary, that it had to be an american doing the break ins (not your drug zombies?). i think i laughed out loud at the guy who said something along the lines of "get them to sing the (whatever the canuckistan national anthem is), and if they can't do it, we've caught our culprit." good times, good times

      --
      intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
  50. Re:Crap! by bonch · · Score: 0

    I love this fantasy about Apple fans being insensitive to the Japanese when Slashdotters posted comments like this in the "Sony's NGCP May Be Delayed By Japan Quake" article. That particular comment, which says that "Anything that hurts Sony is good for the consumer," is currently +3 Funny.

  51. dupe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (too soon?)

  52. Re:Crap! by bonch · · Score: 0

    Don't worry, Slashdotters are more concerned with whether or not Sony's NGP gets delayed, because according to the linked comment, "anything that hurts Sony is good for the consumer" including devastating natural disasters. Modded up as "Funny."

  53. Bugs in chrome, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I usually open links with MB3/Scroll/whatever-you-prefer-to-call-it. It no longer works on /. (I had to use MB2 + "open in new tab"). At first, I thought that my mouse is broken or the instance of Chrome doesn't work or something... But no. On other sites, clicking links with the middle button still works like it should.

    I wonder if /. is messing around with some new JS. Perhaps we'll soon see an alert pop up warning us about copyright infringement if whe try right clicking anywhere!

  54. Re:Crap! by amliebsch · · Score: 1

    It's a joke, you're supposed to laugh.

    --
    If you don't know where you are going, you will wind up somewhere else.
  55. Re:circletimesquare = the average Kuron by circletimessquare · · Score: 0

    well, apparently you noticed

    the funniest thing about anonymous cowards crowing about how no one cares is how much they care

    but mostly, you bile filled trolls are so cute. little shit nugget filled candies. munch, munch, munch... BUUUUURPP. excuse me

    run along now cute little k5 troll. my how quickly they grow

    --
    intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
  56. Re:circletimesquare = the average Kuron by ub3r+n3u7r4l1st · · Score: 1

    what's K5?

  57. Re:circletimesquare = the average Kuron by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    kuro5hin.org

    it was once quite the vanguard of comment boards, but it has absolutely degenerated. go, visit for yourself, see what filth it has become. not even entertaining filth

    --
    intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
  58. Re:It was just me. by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    what is it exactly that motivates you and every other strange psychological anomaly out there that feels a need to scribble on restroom walls?

    --
    intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
  59. Magnitude != deadliness by l00sr · · Score: 1

    Though it's worth noting that magnitude scales really are orders of magnitude, it's also worth noting that even a "weak" earthquake can cause catastrophic damage. The Haiti earthquake was "only" a 7.0, but it killed approximately 300,000 people, which is about 10 times any estimate I've heard of the death toll in Japan. The difference is that the Haiti earthquake hit a stone's throw away from a major population center. In earthquakes, much as in real estate, location is everything.

  60. Tsunami warning cancelled by Zoxed · · Score: 1

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/07/japan-earthquake-tsunami-warning
    - Tsunami warning cancelled
    - Onagawa nuclear power plant lost power line, incl. for cooling the spent fuel pool, but the backup generator kicked in OK.

  61. Re:Crap! by Rakarra · · Score: 1

    You know, Apple stuff all comes from China, not Japan.

    ("Designed" in California though. In case you only buy American "designed" stuff)

    Not necessarily, certain parts are sourced in Japan. Specifically, from an eWeek.com article on supply woes: "iPad 2 components sourced from Japan, said the firm, include NAND flash from Toshiba; DRAMs (dynamic RAMs) from Elpida Memory; an electronic compass from AKM Semiconductor; the system battery from Apple Japan; and the iPad 2's touch-screen overlay glass, which, while not confirmed by Apple, is suspected to be from Asahi Glass."

  62. Ouch!! by Kyusaku+Natsume · · Score: 1

    Is relatively close to Laguna Verde Nuclear Power Station, the only nuclear power station in Mexico. It has been recently upgraded and got increased their effective output a pair of years ago. It should be fine if the guys from Alstom and Iberdrola did a good job.

    --
    Mexico: 100% conservative's America now!
  63. Re:circletimesquare = the average Kuron by MarkGriz · · Score: 1

    Seems its name was a self-fulfilling prophecy.

    --
    Beauty is in the eye of the beerholder.
  64. Blue lights appear in sky during the earthquake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Weird blue light-balls appear during the earthquake according to this tube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgooTL9hEc0 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTlq18oEr_4

  65. Two related events? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Drug-dealers digging to China,
    to transport their Dope-in-Ice operation,
    rather than risk the cubes melting like an iceberg at sea?

  66. Re:scribble on... wtf? by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    it is, in a way. it certainly is exactly how you treat it

    --
    intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it