its just not a rational thing for you. its this bizarre fundamentalist religion for you, the magical mythical "free market". how dare i question its dominion!
if i draw a picture of the free market with a bomb in its turban, will you riot?
fucking fundamentalists of this world, beyond reason, blind as fuck
1. people will take advantage of others, take advantage of natural imperfections in the market, and establish domination and exploitation of later arrivals to the marketplace
2. people will react in panic and fear at rumors, and destroy the market on nothing but emotion: calm rational decisions does not dominate the market
do you deny either simple obvious truth?
how do you fight #1, and #2 then?
answer: you need the government to regulate it. duh
an unregulated marketplace bubbles and pops due to nothing but simple human psychology, and naturally degenerates into a few powerful players dominating everyone else. without regulation, there is no such thing as a "free" market. a stable free market of equals, without regulation by some entity, is something that has never existed in the history of humanity. its a myth cooked up by libertarian fundamentalists, their garden of eden. its a fantasy of blindness in direct contradiction to obvious well-established human behavior
this has been today's intellectual charity offering for you. do try to take advantage of the offering, and accept the fucking obvious for once in your life about this subject matter
it is a hallmark of the triumph of your fear over your intellect that you think that's what i am advocating for
examples of fear triumphing over intellect:
"gay marriage should be legal"
reaction:
"why do you think pedophiles should be allowed to marry boys and bestiality practioners to marry animals?"
#2:
"marijuana should be legal"
reaction:
"why do you want to legalize methamphetamine and heroin?"
#3:
"the government needs to regulate the market in order for it to be stable"
reaction:
"why do you want communist central planning"
do you see the hysteria at work in these examples?
in the future, i suggest you react to what i am actually saying, rather than projecting your irrational fears onto what i am saying, and reacting to that in hysteria
fact: an unregulated marketplace bubbles and pops due to nothing but simple human psychology, and naturally degenerates into a few powerful players dominating everyone else. without regulation, there is no such thing as a "free" market. a stable free market of equals, without regulation by some entity, is something that has never existed in the history of humanity. its a myth cooked up by libertarian fundamentalists, their garden of eden. its a fantasy of blindness in direct contradiction to obvious well-established human behavior:
1. people will take advantage of others, take advantage of natural imperfections in the market, and establish domination and exploitation of later arrivals to the marketplace
2. people will react in panic and fear at rumors, and destroy the market on nothing but emotion: calm rational decisions does not dominate the market
and has involved itself in the market in some way in the past
therefore, any prudent rational criticism of the free market and how it obviously fails can be explained away with creative rationalization that its the government's fault, somehow"
my favorite is how free market fundamentalists wish to blame the market crash of 2008 on government policies. rather than gee, i dunno, the clinton and bush administration deregulation policies? you know, deregulation: having the government less invovled int he market?
"what? my free market bubble and pop? nah, impossible! government's fault! pffft"
please study your banking panics of the 1800s: without regulation, free markets have innate imperfections which always result in catalcysmic failures. all you need is simple human psychology, no government need apply, to cause a market to crash. you either regulate it, leveling the playing field artificially, and therefore making it truly "free", or you leave it alone, letting it bubble and pop like mad, and allow monopolists to take advantage of natural imperfections in the market to leverage unfair behavior
free market fundamentalism is dead. your ideology is dead. fact: you need government involvement in the market for the market to run efficiently. fact: you need government policing and regulation of the marketplace to keep it "free" and egalitarian and equal for all players
if you don't understand these simple truths by now, or refuse to believe that despite the obvious proof, you're an idiot
if you want to think of the great lakes as great seas, then yes, i can see where you are getting that idea: they are beautiful majestic bodies of water after all
but i'm sorry to inform you that technically canada is overlakes, not overseas
it's the job of your inflamed followers to attack your detractors, you want to stay above the fray
for attacking you, i'm a tool of the corporate overlords, a slavemaster in the mold of jefferson, etc.
but you don't have to make those accusations, only your followers do
on the plus side, you didn't waver in your mask of the passionate demagogue. you stuck right with the script and didn't at all slide into sarcasm or give any grounds to my alternate views. you hewed straight to your particular peculiar solipsism, good for you
or... horrors of horrors, don't tell me you actually believe the bullshit you're writing
no, no, that will never do. that makes you a crackpot, not a demagogue
you have the emotional appeal down solid, its pretty good chest thumping stuff
but you're underpinning your inflammatory rhetoric with poor a set of facts
good propaganda never lies, it traffics in half truths. so, for example, you don't want to say the usa has ALWAYS been a fascist state. not mainly because thats a lie, but also because you undermine your final appeal for a return to constitutional roots... well, if those roots are so strong, how come the usa has "always" been a fascist state? its a contradiction. you can't refer to a strong set of principles that never actually worked
no, you need a sympathetic narrative, a demagogue's best friend: its better to refer a mythological past where everything was perfect, the founding fathers reigned supreme. then evil influences crept in. in your particular fantasy, that would be corporations, and they subverted and ruined the garden of eden
so instead you want to say the usa WAS ONCE a solid strong democracy. instill chest thumping patriotism here with strong quasihistoric visions, you know the drill. then change the tone and talk about how money was thrown around and morals and integrity were corrupted, the founding fathers betrayed... good hollywood stuff
good luck to you sir, you're well on your way to being a solid propagandizing demagogue. you have the emotional appeals down solid. now just hone up on the half-truths and you'll be a rabble rouser supreme!
stupidity is the default condition. always was, always will be. the majority of a populace of any country, in any time period, past, present, and future, is dumb. no government policy you could ever devise will ever change this truth
your problem is that you have taken my point and inverted it: that somehow if what i say is true about china, then the liberal uncensored west must breeds geniuses. no, this is completely false and an act of deducing the most insane thing from my point about chinese government policy
a more accurate comparison starts with the observation that the majority in the liberal west are morons, obviously. the majority of any populace anywhere: usa, russia, france, india, middle east, south america, africa, etc: morons. but that's not the issue, nor the problem
the issue is taking your intelligent, or rather, potentially intelligent citizens, and ENSURING they remain stupid, with government policies. censorship leads to unchallenged, weak, flabby minds. of course there are plenty of conditions in the usa, for example, that means that some intelligent kids will never fully spread their wings, and will remain stupid. but this is a LOT different than a chinese governmental policy that PURPOSEFULLY forces their intelligent children to stay ignorant
you can't make dumb people smart. however, you CAN make smart people dumb. in analogy: no amount of sunlight and water will make a weak seed into a strong oak. but if you have a strong seed, but fail to give it water and sunlight, you will have a stunted tree
or said more poetically: you can't make lead bricks fly, but you can most definitely pop balloons
the mind is like a muscle: work it out, challenge it with ideas hostile to your own, and you only wind up with a stronger mind and stronger ideas
i understand that the technocrats think they are protecting the chinese citizen from foreign interference and degenerate thoughts, but for whatever perceived good is being done by a policy of censorship, the much larger real negative effect is to turn chinese citizens into cotton heads full of nothing but empty thoughts, placid lies. the truth is always ugly and disharmonious. that's what makes placid lies so much more attractive
for a mind where the serene lie is more valuable than the rude truth, inward thinking reigns. this is the same inward thinking, away from the wider world, building a wall against the outside world, literal and figurative, that led to the rot of the old chinese dynasties, and left china weak and ripe for exploit by foreign powers. the shame of this history drives so much of modern chinese infuriated pride: never again will china be defiled by foreign powers. the literal and figurative rapes of japanese imperialism, the british opium wars to force heroin on its citizens: this led to china's rebellions and eventual modernization
however, in the policies of the technocrats of beijing today, we see the same seeds of the same thinking of the old brittle bureaucratic mandarins that led to china's previous downfall. sheep are very harmonious, docile, placid creatures. they're also dumb. dear china: why do you choose placid lies over ugly truths? the harmonious still pool is beautiful, but weak. the raging river is ugly and dirty, but strong
the chinese government are turning their citizens into housepets. this is not a strong nation, this is a weak one, populated by simpletons who could have been strong minds, but the chinese govermnet made sure they were empty weak minds, by censoring anything that would challenge the dominant monoculture. yes, legions of robots can turn out lots of cheap goods, but you would think that you would like a china full of strong and wise chinese, not slaves. and yet the chinese government clearly values their citizens only as slaves, unable to think on their own, with censorship policies that mean chinese minds are never exercised
the chinese government does not respect its own citizens. the chinese government's censorship policies is recreating the conditions that led to china's historical rot, and the chinese government's policies will mean china will be weak again, and dominated and exploited again
that is why, in the name of respecting the chinese people, i do not respect the legitimacy of the chinese government. the chinese government does not respect its own people. the chinese government has an agenda which serves only its own flawed priorities, and do not serve its people
is the potentate actually cracking under the pressure of a shrinking media empire?
or is he crazy like a fox (pun intended), and shaking the cage in a calculated way, to make some tangentially related issue fall off its perch in such a way that it aids him subtly, indirectly. something that makes the contrived brouhaha worth the effort?
i don't know what that fallen thing would be: a rearranged legal landscape, an altered business environment, a share price somewhere... who knows
what is the legal status of NOT honoring a robot.txt, at least hypothetically?
or for that matter, simply linking to another website who has told you "don't link to me"
in other words, if someone says don't link to me, and you link to them, is that a matter of illegality or is there a legal basis for someone to sue in civil court? on what grounds?
its a valid question. and certainly one with broad reaching ramifications
who are severely depressed. there are people who outwardly seem morose and never smile but are emotionally well-balanced. the external mask you choose to wear or think you need to wear due to social convention or social pressure has no relation to internal chemistry. a depressed person very well could be a morose shut-in, but there are plenty of people who are very depressed who do not fit this description at all
propaganda never lies. it takes nuggets of truths out of context, in a vacuum of any other facts, and extrapolates dubious far off conclusions that find support in people's prejudices. half-truths, or rather 0.01% truths, are not anything remotely like the truth of complex situations, which climate science obviously is
pieces of the truth is never the truth. of course no one will shut up, even if they are only armed with pieces of the truth, but that's not something to celebrate, that's something to be despondent about, as its the root cause of the majority of problems in this world
the nobel peace prize has entered the realm of farce (arafat, kissinger, and obama for smiling nicely) and has destroyed its legitimacy
of course, maybe the whole idea was doomed from the start as a flawed idea
perhaps the prize should be reconstituted as a way to recognize truly deserving underappreciated efforts, such as microlending in poor areas or water purification projects. in other words: no matinee idols or celebrities need apply. this would rule out deserving celebrities like nelson mandela, but it would also rule out the likes of kissinger and arafat. no more stunt prizes like obama's
a prize only for the truly anonymous makes a heck of a lot more sense actually in the realm of what it really means to labor for peace selflessly, which is true peacemaking anyways
so if not discontinued, the prize should be reconsituted with strict guidelines as a prize for the truly anonymous
due to poor cable/ POTS infrastructure, places in africa and india and central/ south america experience the internet pretty much only through their cell phones
of course its not 4G speeds, but its something, and it isn't a market to be ignored simply because the signal is slow and weak and intermittent. in fact, its a huge market with no other options. build their favorite gateway, and you have a captive audience of billions
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its just not a rational thing for you. its this bizarre fundamentalist religion for you, the magical mythical "free market". how dare i question its dominion!
if i draw a picture of the free market with a bomb in its turban, will you riot?
fucking fundamentalists of this world, beyond reason, blind as fuck
secularist martyr
you don't fight vile "religions" that zombify and enslave the weak with kind words and cupcakes
this is the way the mafia known as the church of scientology plays:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Snow_White
turn around is fair play
1. people will take advantage of others, take advantage of natural imperfections in the market, and establish domination and exploitation of later arrivals to the marketplace
2. people will react in panic and fear at rumors, and destroy the market on nothing but emotion: calm rational decisions does not dominate the market
do you deny either simple obvious truth?
how do you fight #1, and #2 then?
answer: you need the government to regulate it. duh
an unregulated marketplace bubbles and pops due to nothing but simple human psychology, and naturally degenerates into a few powerful players dominating everyone else. without regulation, there is no such thing as a "free" market. a stable free market of equals, without regulation by some entity, is something that has never existed in the history of humanity. its a myth cooked up by libertarian fundamentalists, their garden of eden. its a fantasy of blindness in direct contradiction to obvious well-established human behavior
this has been today's intellectual charity offering for you. do try to take advantage of the offering, and accept the fucking obvious for once in your life about this subject matter
as free market fundamentalists
it is a hallmark of the triumph of your fear over your intellect that you think that's what i am advocating for
examples of fear triumphing over intellect:
"gay marriage should be legal"
reaction:
"why do you think pedophiles should be allowed to marry boys and bestiality practioners to marry animals?"
#2:
"marijuana should be legal"
reaction:
"why do you want to legalize methamphetamine and heroin?"
#3:
"the government needs to regulate the market in order for it to be stable"
reaction:
"why do you want communist central planning"
do you see the hysteria at work in these examples?
in the future, i suggest you react to what i am actually saying, rather than projecting your irrational fears onto what i am saying, and reacting to that in hysteria
fact: an unregulated marketplace bubbles and pops due to nothing but simple human psychology, and naturally degenerates into a few powerful players dominating everyone else. without regulation, there is no such thing as a "free" market. a stable free market of equals, without regulation by some entity, is something that has never existed in the history of humanity. its a myth cooked up by libertarian fundamentalists, their garden of eden. its a fantasy of blindness in direct contradiction to obvious well-established human behavior:
1. people will take advantage of others, take advantage of natural imperfections in the market, and establish domination and exploitation of later arrivals to the marketplace
2. people will react in panic and fear at rumors, and destroy the market on nothing but emotion: calm rational decisions does not dominate the market
do you care to defy these simple obvious truths?
would you like actually come out and refute my statement that you need government regulations to keep markets fair?
or are you just raging against a truth that hurts, but that your mind accepts?
thought so
and has involved itself in the market in some way in the past
therefore, any prudent rational criticism of the free market and how it obviously fails can be explained away with creative rationalization that its the government's fault, somehow"
my favorite is how free market fundamentalists wish to blame the market crash of 2008 on government policies. rather than gee, i dunno, the clinton and bush administration deregulation policies? you know, deregulation: having the government less invovled int he market?
"what? my free market bubble and pop? nah, impossible! government's fault! pffft"
please study your banking panics of the 1800s: without regulation, free markets have innate imperfections which always result in catalcysmic failures. all you need is simple human psychology, no government need apply, to cause a market to crash. you either regulate it, leveling the playing field artificially, and therefore making it truly "free", or you leave it alone, letting it bubble and pop like mad, and allow monopolists to take advantage of natural imperfections in the market to leverage unfair behavior
free market fundamentalism is dead. your ideology is dead. fact: you need government involvement in the market for the market to run efficiently. fact: you need government policing and regulation of the marketplace to keep it "free" and egalitarian and equal for all players
if you don't understand these simple truths by now, or refuse to believe that despite the obvious proof, you're an idiot
if you want to think of the great lakes as great seas, then yes, i can see where you are getting that idea: they are beautiful majestic bodies of water after all
but i'm sorry to inform you that technically canada is overlakes, not overseas
but london does have the seventh-busiest greyhound canada terminal in terms of passengers
perhaps you meant to say you wanted to visit the university of western ontario?
and thanks for the free service
wait... you mean you want charge us for what we paid for already?
it's the job of your inflamed followers to attack your detractors, you want to stay above the fray
for attacking you, i'm a tool of the corporate overlords, a slavemaster in the mold of jefferson, etc.
but you don't have to make those accusations, only your followers do
on the plus side, you didn't waver in your mask of the passionate demagogue. you stuck right with the script and didn't at all slide into sarcasm or give any grounds to my alternate views. you hewed straight to your particular peculiar solipsism, good for you
or... horrors of horrors, don't tell me you actually believe the bullshit you're writing
no, no, that will never do. that makes you a crackpot, not a demagogue
oh dear
you have the emotional appeal down solid, its pretty good chest thumping stuff
but you're underpinning your inflammatory rhetoric with poor a set of facts
good propaganda never lies, it traffics in half truths. so, for example, you don't want to say the usa has ALWAYS been a fascist state. not mainly because thats a lie, but also because you undermine your final appeal for a return to constitutional roots... well, if those roots are so strong, how come the usa has "always" been a fascist state? its a contradiction. you can't refer to a strong set of principles that never actually worked
no, you need a sympathetic narrative, a demagogue's best friend: its better to refer a mythological past where everything was perfect, the founding fathers reigned supreme. then evil influences crept in. in your particular fantasy, that would be corporations, and they subverted and ruined the garden of eden
so instead you want to say the usa WAS ONCE a solid strong democracy. instill chest thumping patriotism here with strong quasihistoric visions, you know the drill. then change the tone and talk about how money was thrown around and morals and integrity were corrupted, the founding fathers betrayed... good hollywood stuff
good luck to you sir, you're well on your way to being a solid propagandizing demagogue. you have the emotional appeals down solid. now just hone up on the half-truths and you'll be a rabble rouser supreme!
the contrived outrage: well-played sir
stupidity is the default condition. always was, always will be. the majority of a populace of any country, in any time period, past, present, and future, is dumb. no government policy you could ever devise will ever change this truth
your problem is that you have taken my point and inverted it: that somehow if what i say is true about china, then the liberal uncensored west must breeds geniuses. no, this is completely false and an act of deducing the most insane thing from my point about chinese government policy
a more accurate comparison starts with the observation that the majority in the liberal west are morons, obviously. the majority of any populace anywhere: usa, russia, france, india, middle east, south america, africa, etc: morons. but that's not the issue, nor the problem
the issue is taking your intelligent, or rather, potentially intelligent citizens, and ENSURING they remain stupid, with government policies. censorship leads to unchallenged, weak, flabby minds. of course there are plenty of conditions in the usa, for example, that means that some intelligent kids will never fully spread their wings, and will remain stupid. but this is a LOT different than a chinese governmental policy that PURPOSEFULLY forces their intelligent children to stay ignorant
you can't make dumb people smart. however, you CAN make smart people dumb. in analogy: no amount of sunlight and water will make a weak seed into a strong oak. but if you have a strong seed, but fail to give it water and sunlight, you will have a stunted tree
or said more poetically: you can't make lead bricks fly, but you can most definitely pop balloons
the mind is like a muscle: work it out, challenge it with ideas hostile to your own, and you only wind up with a stronger mind and stronger ideas
i understand that the technocrats think they are protecting the chinese citizen from foreign interference and degenerate thoughts, but for whatever perceived good is being done by a policy of censorship, the much larger real negative effect is to turn chinese citizens into cotton heads full of nothing but empty thoughts, placid lies. the truth is always ugly and disharmonious. that's what makes placid lies so much more attractive
for a mind where the serene lie is more valuable than the rude truth, inward thinking reigns. this is the same inward thinking, away from the wider world, building a wall against the outside world, literal and figurative, that led to the rot of the old chinese dynasties, and left china weak and ripe for exploit by foreign powers. the shame of this history drives so much of modern chinese infuriated pride: never again will china be defiled by foreign powers. the literal and figurative rapes of japanese imperialism, the british opium wars to force heroin on its citizens: this led to china's rebellions and eventual modernization
however, in the policies of the technocrats of beijing today, we see the same seeds of the same thinking of the old brittle bureaucratic mandarins that led to china's previous downfall. sheep are very harmonious, docile, placid creatures. they're also dumb. dear china: why do you choose placid lies over ugly truths? the harmonious still pool is beautiful, but weak. the raging river is ugly and dirty, but strong
the chinese government are turning their citizens into housepets. this is not a strong nation, this is a weak one, populated by simpletons who could have been strong minds, but the chinese govermnet made sure they were empty weak minds, by censoring anything that would challenge the dominant monoculture. yes, legions of robots can turn out lots of cheap goods, but you would think that you would like a china full of strong and wise chinese, not slaves. and yet the chinese government clearly values their citizens only as slaves, unable to think on their own, with censorship policies that mean chinese minds are never exercised
the chinese government does not respect its own citizens. the chinese government's censorship policies is recreating the conditions that led to china's historical rot, and the chinese government's policies will mean china will be weak again, and dominated and exploited again
that is why, in the name of respecting the chinese people, i do not respect the legitimacy of the chinese government. the chinese government does not respect its own people. the chinese government has an agenda which serves only its own flawed priorities, and do not serve its people
the dinosaur is sensing his extinction
or reverse psychology:
"no, you can't see fox news. i forbid you to read fox news! i am preventing you google from indexing fox news"
(everyone clicks to fox news to see what the big deal is)
is the potentate actually cracking under the pressure of a shrinking media empire?
or is he crazy like a fox (pun intended), and shaking the cage in a calculated way, to make some tangentially related issue fall off its perch in such a way that it aids him subtly, indirectly. something that makes the contrived brouhaha worth the effort?
i don't know what that fallen thing would be: a rearranged legal landscape, an altered business environment, a share price somewhere... who knows
what is the legal status of NOT honoring a robot.txt, at least hypothetically?
or for that matter, simply linking to another website who has told you "don't link to me"
in other words, if someone says don't link to me, and you link to them, is that a matter of illegality or is there a legal basis for someone to sue in civil court? on what grounds?
its a valid question. and certainly one with broad reaching ramifications
who are severely depressed. there are people who outwardly seem morose and never smile but are emotionally well-balanced. the external mask you choose to wear or think you need to wear due to social convention or social pressure has no relation to internal chemistry. a depressed person very well could be a morose shut-in, but there are plenty of people who are very depressed who do not fit this description at all
propaganda never lies. it takes nuggets of truths out of context, in a vacuum of any other facts, and extrapolates dubious far off conclusions that find support in people's prejudices. half-truths, or rather 0.01% truths, are not anything remotely like the truth of complex situations, which climate science obviously is
pieces of the truth is never the truth. of course no one will shut up, even if they are only armed with pieces of the truth, but that's not something to celebrate, that's something to be despondent about, as its the root cause of the majority of problems in this world
aka, not a paranoid schizophrenic
the nobel peace prize has entered the realm of farce (arafat, kissinger, and obama for smiling nicely) and has destroyed its legitimacy
of course, maybe the whole idea was doomed from the start as a flawed idea
perhaps the prize should be reconstituted as a way to recognize truly deserving underappreciated efforts, such as microlending in poor areas or water purification projects. in other words: no matinee idols or celebrities need apply. this would rule out deserving celebrities like nelson mandela, but it would also rule out the likes of kissinger and arafat. no more stunt prizes like obama's
a prize only for the truly anonymous makes a heck of a lot more sense actually in the realm of what it really means to labor for peace selflessly, which is true peacemaking anyways
so if not discontinued, the prize should be reconsituted with strict guidelines as a prize for the truly anonymous
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_(Babylon_5)#Capital_ship
due to poor cable/ POTS infrastructure, places in africa and india and central/ south america experience the internet pretty much only through their cell phones
of course its not 4G speeds, but its something, and it isn't a market to be ignored simply because the signal is slow and weak and intermittent. in fact, its a huge market with no other options. build their favorite gateway, and you have a captive audience of billions
the previous post was a poorly constructed troll
all you kiddies can get back to sims 3 and relax
GOVERNMENT OUT