read back through the parent posts - I'm nbot refering to the IMC case in particular, but to the general trend for laws to be passed that suspend the assumption of innocence and the right to know what you are accused of.
If the IRS says that you owe them money, you have to pay up unless you can prove them wrong.
Indeed, but they have to tell you what you owe and why they think you owe it.
if someone accuses you of child abuse you often will be treated as guilty until proven innocent
I'm not aware of an legal system where assumption of innocence is suspended for this kind of criminal case - please reference one.
It is true that in certain respects the system assumes that there may be a risk to a child in these cases, but that is slightly different to suspending the assumption of innocence - if no evidence is produced, the accusation will go nowhere. Also, they have to tell you what they are charging you with so that you can set about prooving yourself innocent.
Can't you see that there is a difference between having to defend yourself against charges and not even being told what the charges are against you?
posts that are conservative in nature are almost always killed while posts praising the 9/11 terrorists are left alone.
care to post a link to such a post? Since they are left alone, presumably they are still there...
As far as I understand it, each indymedia site is somewhat autonomous, so I guess some of them may have a greater prevelence of nut-jobs than the ones that I look at sometimes (UK and European)
I do find it suprising that you say conservative posts are removed - I've participated in several lively discussions on indymedia sites, with participants of all political pursuations. My views don't square exactly with 'the left' yet I've never had a post removed that I'm aware of
If 20 people call the police and Say I'm a bookie, and the police get a warrant. They can ask for a warant to take my records and computers and examine them. This isn't the same as being convicted.
How would you feel if when you got home from work, your hosue had been ransacked and your neighbour told you that the police came and confiscated a load of equipment and didn't give a reason?
[not an exact analogy with indymedia finding out from their hosting company that hard disks were seized, but close enough i think]
I don't disagree with warrants, searches, or investigations. I do disagree with seizure of property without a reason being given.
My post was in response to it's parent (as posts usually are;) )
In the last few years, the assumption of innocent until proven guilty and the right to know the charges against you and defend yourself have been encroached upon.
Search warrants have been around for a long time, but sealed warrants and gagging orders are becoming more and more common.
Sure, there are plenty of conspiracy theorists who post on them - that's what happens when an open publishing system is used, but there are also plenty of thoughful posts and opinions - some of which might suprise you.
Indymedia is not independent in the sense of not being biased, and they don't claim to be. They are, however, independent in the sense of not being owned by a big corporation.
As with all sources of information, indymedia should be read with knowledge of the biases that are present and suspicion of uncorroborated claims, but every so often some nuggets of information can be found there (e.g. the Saddam statue toppling hoax or the story about a major crisis that affected my Prime Minister (Blair) a few months ago that was hushed up everywhere else)
But if they're undercover, no one but their bosses should have known they were police officers anyway.
I guess you've never been in a big protest... the 'undercover' police usually stick out like a sore thumb (especially when they pop round the corner to the police van for a quick cup of tea;) )
I've always thought that the undercovers who stand taking photos so blatantly are most likely a cover for the real undercovers (who will be members of the organisations that organise the protests - at a pretty high level if they're any good at what they do)
now i'm no legal expert, but i was under the distinct impression that, with a few exceptions like threatening the president, you were innocent until proven guilty and had the right to defend yourself. have i missed something?
Yes, you have missed something - the national security laws passed in the last few years.
obody's exactly sure why or how the FBI got warrants to take Indymedia's HDs, but their speculation tends to center around the fact that the Feds were spooked by the fact that Indymedia was able to publish RNC delegate names.
Another theory is around some pictures of undercover Swiss police (photographing protesters) that were posted on an IMC site (IMC Nantes) - Indymedia got a request to remove 'identifying information' from the site (apparently the FBI got involved 'as a courtesy' to the Swiss authorities). Since there were no identifying details, Indymedia didn't do anything in response.
It would seem strange for an American agency to get a warrant to seize information relating to Swiss undefcover police from a French website, but it's the most solid theory I've heard so far.
How many people today are already vaccinated against smallpox. If smallpox was realeased and an epidemic started, how quickly could new supplies be manufactured.
More quickly than a vaccination against proximity to a thermonuclear explosion.
Smallpox is scary, yes, but nuclear weapons are scarier.
what if the projector is projecting ambient-looking light?
DLP projectors spit out only pure(ish) red, green, and blue light. The illusion of other colours is created by rotating between the primaries in quick succession.
I suspect this screen will only work with DLP projectors.
Yeah, you're right, people who engage in illegal trades never have any way to get at people who shaft them because what they do is illegal and they can't go to court.
That's why I always steal from drug dealers and money launderers...
Remember, the book wouldn't have to actually be accurate in order to sell - it would just need to promise to tell readers what they need to know in order to spam effectively.
In fact, the book could quite easily lead prospective spammers down a route that will get them quikcly caught and shut off...
The book could make a lot of money from people who want to spam their way to riches _and_ help to make sure that such people get identified and stamped on early in their (hopefully short) careers.
Hmm, better that I make the money with a fake spamming guide than some real spamming expert...
Would it be wrong to scam people who want to become spammers?
Funnily enough, my working life is split between both technical and creative work. As well as programming, I also do live video performances. I definitely agree that for tasks that are creative rather than analytical (such as making new video content for our shows), shorter working sessions are the way forward.
however, if I time my marathon stints right, I get to enjoy whole days in the sun rather than trying to catch what little sunlight there is in the evenings;)
Actually, I find I am more effective at certain kinds of tasks (especially programming) if I attack them in long sessions. The longer I keep going, the more into the right mind set I get and the more productive I am. This is especially true for involved tasks that need a lot of separate considerations to be maintained.
For periods of up to about a week (and not _too_ often, I find it effective to stay awake through the night (so I end up working (with some breaks) from about 12 midday through to about 4 in the afternoon the next day), then relax and have a big long sleep.
Of course, everyones working habits are different...
My misunderstanding was nopt based on Deuce Bigalow (never seen it) but rather on a general impression built up from TV documentaries, magazine articles etc.
I was aware that the swearing thing was the more extreme end of Tourettes but I didn't know there was a whole different name for it. Thanks for pointing that out.
How I don't understand how you can continue to live in a country you so despise.
I don't despise my country. I despise the people who have taken it so far away from what it should be.
What do you mean by country anyway?
Do you mean the actual land that makes up my country? If so, I would argue that I love it more than the ruling class who are actively destroying large parts of it in order to make profits and have a comfortable life for themselves.
Do you mean the people of the country? If so, I would argue that I love it more than the ruling class who are actively robbing rights and property from the majority of people in order to make profits and have a comfortable life for themselves.
Do you mean the laws and principles upon which the country is based? If so, I would argue that I love it more than the ruling class, who are continually perverting, breaking and overturning those laws and principles.
Do you mean the elected government of the country? If so then, yes, I do despise them for the way they practice such a undemocratic form of democracy and use every trick they can find to prevent real democracy from being possible.
Running away to another country is not going to help right the wrongs that the ruling class has, does and will perpetrate. Staying here and helping to change things will.
Going to Iraq would not serve my country; it would serve the interests of a few rich people. How is that goin gto right any wrongs?
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read back through the parent posts - I'm nbot refering to the IMC case in particular, but to the general trend for laws to be passed that suspend the assumption of innocence and the right to know what you are accused of.
If the IRS says that you owe them money, you have to pay up unless you can prove them wrong.
Indeed, but they have to tell you what you owe and why they think you owe it.
if someone accuses you of child abuse you often will be treated as guilty until proven innocent
I'm not aware of an legal system where assumption of innocence is suspended for this kind of criminal case - please reference one.
It is true that in certain respects the system assumes that there may be a risk to a child in these cases, but that is slightly different to suspending the assumption of innocence - if no evidence is produced, the accusation will go nowhere. Also, they have to tell you what they are charging you with so that you can set about prooving yourself innocent.
Can't you see that there is a difference between having to defend yourself against charges and not even being told what the charges are against you?
posts that are conservative in nature are almost always killed while posts praising the 9/11 terrorists are left alone.
care to post a link to such a post? Since they are left alone, presumably they are still there...
As far as I understand it, each indymedia site is somewhat autonomous, so I guess some of them may have a greater prevelence of nut-jobs than the ones that I look at sometimes (UK and European)
I do find it suprising that you say conservative posts are removed - I've participated in several lively discussions on indymedia sites, with participants of all political pursuations. My views don't square exactly with 'the left' yet I've never had a post removed that I'm aware of
If 20 people call the police and Say I'm a bookie, and the police get a warrant. They can ask for a warant to take my records and computers and examine them. This isn't the same as being convicted.
How would you feel if when you got home from work, your hosue had been ransacked and your neighbour told you that the police came and confiscated a load of equipment and didn't give a reason?
[not an exact analogy with indymedia finding out from their hosting company that hard disks were seized, but close enough i think]
I don't disagree with warrants, searches, or investigations. I do disagree with seizure of property without a reason being given.
Get some perspective.
;) )
My post was in response to it's parent (as posts usually are
In the last few years, the assumption of innocent until proven guilty and the right to know the charges against you and defend yourself have been encroached upon.
Search warrants have been around for a long time, but sealed warrants and gagging orders are becoming more and more common.
especially interesting given the influence that the media reporting a Bush victory that wasn't may have had in the aftermath of the last election...
have you actually looked at any indymedia sites?
Sure, there are plenty of conspiracy theorists who post on them - that's what happens when an open publishing system is used, but there are also plenty of thoughful posts and opinions - some of which might suprise you.
Indymedia is not independent in the sense of not being biased, and they don't claim to be. They are, however, independent in the sense of not being owned by a big corporation.
As with all sources of information, indymedia should be read with knowledge of the biases that are present and suspicion of uncorroborated claims, but every so often some nuggets of information can be found there (e.g. the Saddam statue toppling hoax or the story about a major crisis that affected my Prime Minister (Blair) a few months ago that was hushed up everywhere else)
why didn't they post both DNC and RNC delegate names?
indymedia uses an open publishing system - if someone wanted to post (and had) the DNC names, they could have posted them.
But if they're undercover, no one but their bosses should have known they were police officers anyway.
I guess you've never been in a big protest... the 'undercover' police usually stick out like a sore thumb (especially when they pop round the corner to the police van for a quick cup of tea
I've always thought that the undercovers who stand taking photos so blatantly are most likely a cover for the real undercovers (who will be members of the organisations that organise the protests - at a pretty high level if they're any good at what they do)
now i'm no legal expert, but i was under the distinct impression that, with a few exceptions like threatening the president, you were innocent until proven guilty and had the right to defend yourself. have i missed something?
Yes, you have missed something - the national security laws passed in the last few years.
obody's exactly sure why or how the FBI got warrants to take Indymedia's HDs, but their speculation tends to center around the fact that the Feds were spooked by the fact that Indymedia was able to publish RNC delegate names.
Another theory is around some pictures of undercover Swiss police (photographing protesters) that were posted on an IMC site (IMC Nantes) - Indymedia got a request to remove 'identifying information' from the site (apparently the FBI got involved 'as a courtesy' to the Swiss authorities). Since there were no identifying details, Indymedia didn't do anything in response.
It would seem strange for an American agency to get a warrant to seize information relating to Swiss undefcover police from a French website, but it's the most solid theory I've heard so far.
I would like to remind the everyone that there is an approximate even split in American public opinion on politics.
Could you please tell that to Fox News?
Dan.
so track and field events are not sports either then?
(where is the defense in the 100m sprint? What about in the discus?)
Dan.
How many people today are already vaccinated against smallpox. If smallpox was realeased and an epidemic started, how quickly could new supplies be manufactured.
More quickly than a vaccination against proximity to a thermonuclear explosion.
Smallpox is scary, yes, but nuclear weapons are scarier.
Dan.
what if the projector is projecting ambient-looking light?
DLP projectors spit out only pure(ish) red, green, and blue light. The illusion of other colours is created by rotating between the primaries in quick succession.
I suspect this screen will only work with DLP projectors.
Dan.
What's the original producer gonna do...sue?
Yeah, you're right, people who engage in illegal trades never have any way to get at people who shaft them because what they do is illegal and they can't go to court.
That's why I always steal from drug dealers and money launderers...
Dan.
Remember, the book wouldn't have to actually be accurate in order to sell - it would just need to promise to tell readers what they need to know in order to spam effectively.
In fact, the book could quite easily lead prospective spammers down a route that will get them quikcly caught and shut off...
The book could make a lot of money from people who want to spam their way to riches _and_ help to make sure that such people get identified and stamped on early in their (hopefully short) careers.
Hmm, better that I make the money with a fake spamming guide than some real spamming expert...
Would it be wrong to scam people who want to become spammers?
Dan.
Funnily enough, my working life is split between both technical and creative work. As well as programming, I also do live video performances. I definitely agree that for tasks that are creative rather than analytical (such as making new video content for our shows), shorter working sessions are the way forward.
Dan.
true enough.
however, if I time my marathon stints right, I get to enjoy whole days in the sun rather than trying to catch what little sunlight there is in the evenings
Dan.
Actually, I find I am more effective at certain kinds of tasks (especially programming) if I attack them in long sessions. The longer I keep going, the more into the right mind set I get and the more productive I am. This is especially true for involved tasks that need a lot of separate considerations to be maintained.
For periods of up to about a week (and not _too_ often, I find it effective to stay awake through the night (so I end up working (with some breaks) from about 12 midday through to about 4 in the afternoon the next day), then relax and have a big long sleep.
Of course, everyones working habits are different...
Dan.
Apologies for that.
My misunderstanding was nopt based on Deuce Bigalow (never seen it) but rather on a general impression built up from TV documentaries, magazine articles etc.
I was aware that the swearing thing was the more extreme end of Tourettes but I didn't know there was a whole different name for it. Thanks for pointing that out.
Dan.
Wasn't that the mental condition were people have a compulsion to express themselves frequently and loudly with profanity?
You're FUCK thinking of FUCK Tourettes Syndrome
Dan.
Your enemy's enemy is potentially someone who will sneak up behind you when you least expect it and stab you in the back.
Seems quite a few people need to learn that lesson.
Dan.
How I don't understand how you can continue to live in a country you so despise.
I don't despise my country. I despise the people who have taken it so far away from what it should be.
What do you mean by country anyway?
Do you mean the actual land that makes up my country? If so, I would argue that I love it more than the ruling class who are actively destroying large parts of it in order to make profits and have a comfortable life for themselves.
Do you mean the people of the country? If so, I would argue that I love it more than the ruling class who are actively robbing rights and property from the majority of people in order to make profits and have a comfortable life for themselves.
Do you mean the laws and principles upon which the country is based? If so, I would argue that I love it more than the ruling class, who are continually perverting, breaking and overturning those laws and principles.
Do you mean the elected government of the country? If so then, yes, I do despise them for the way they practice such a undemocratic form of democracy and use every trick they can find to prevent real democracy from being possible.
Running away to another country is not going to help right the wrongs that the ruling class has, does and will perpetrate. Staying here and helping to change things will.
Going to Iraq would not serve my country; it would serve the interests of a few rich people. How is that goin gto right any wrongs?
Dan.
Funny that, I've always been amazed by the 'right wing' causes and people they have been prepared to fight for.
Putting your personal opinions to one side and fighting for the free speech of someone with views you despise must be really hard.
Dan.