The simple truth is it's their IP to protect within the law as they want. I'd believe that piracy helps sales. It gets the name out, shows people what's up, etc.. That's totally not the point though.
I'm sure breaking into your place and tidying up "doesn't hurt you" but it's your choice to permit that action is it not?
I won't get into other nations [where most problems aren't out of humanities control, just that they haven't resolve conflicts because they're mean people] but as for "give away"...
For the last three years I've been giving away software and knowledge that people actually use for free. I don't even ask for credit.
I don't have any money to give to charity though when I do get money I am charitable with my friends. Sure I don't fly to some country in Africa every weekend and sit in the trenches with some third-world 9yr old trying to make their lives better but that also is not too practical nor beneficial [think about how much help settlers had comming to this continent from Africans/etc].
Getting back to the twins... "talent" in acting would imply emotion. I seriously doubt they could portray someone with a cause I could stand for, or get upset by, I doubt they could portray sorrow that I could feel, etc...
For instance, in "civil action" I actually got into the movie and at the end was upset at the character travolta played's defeat. I felt sorry for the families of sick children, etc.
Their last movie was them bouncing around new york. From the commercial I saw one of them was sprayed with water while wearing a tight t-shirt. Oh now that's depth. Serious work here...
Maybe it's too early to tell what the twins are capable of but if they are just going to follow the media gravy train I'm sure in 20 yrs they'll still be tig-bag carriers working as a pair.
"Using your logic, no one makes what they are worth. They are all lucky, ungrateful bastards. Tell me one person who is worth what they make?"
Steve Wozniak?
He spent long hours designing computers when there we're "computers" to be had. He [among others] helped invent the modern computer age?
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart?
He spent long hours composing music. Sure he was gifted from a young age but it's still a talent he had to develop himself. His parents couldn't sit him in front of the king and make him into an artist.... etc...
What have they done aside from "not get fat or scars"? Do they write their own productions? Do they invent new movie genres? Are they in anyway not a total marketting gimmick?
Same goes for Titney spears. "Oh I'm not a sex object". Hey sweetcheeks, that's what madonna said 20 years ago. Give it up.
Same thing with say Linsey Lohan. The only thing she did for her art was get breast implants. If she was so talented and in it for the art and money [but art should be a factor there] then she wouldn't care about not having 38lbs titties.
Face facts. They're not "earning" the money in any conventional sense. They're getting paid it because they're blowing money.
Think about it this way.
For every "super star" a studio puts out easily 100s if not 1000s of other equally talented artists are unsigned, unpublished and struggling to make money [usually by abandonning their music].
Should every dude with a guitar make millions? No. But if every dude with a guitar made a living that would be saying something. We would have diversity. We wouldn't be forced to listen to the #1 of the week [... on a Sunday].
Websites aren't common carriers nor should they ever be.
I think they [the admins] should be given fair warning before a C&D to do something about it. But I don't think they have the right to "post anything" just because it's a website.
At some point someone has to be liable for the content published. If you want to run a website where any jackass off the net [like me] can post shit then you have to accept some liability.
What 50$ phone has a 1GB SD memory card [or even the slot] a 3M pixel camera and a speaker/DSP worthy of "better sounding than your average mod?
I had the Motorola v220 [which is the only cheap quadband my provider carries]. It had a 640x480 camera [that's 0.3M pixel], 1.2MB of flash memory to store things in and a 22Khz DSP. It game with a "submarine" game which had as much gameplay appeal as playing jacks.
The pictures sucked ass. You couldn't get them off without either buying software from motorola and run windows [neither of which I want todo] or email them via the provider [at 0.05$ per KB].
The storage space was puny. 1.2MB makes for very few mp3s/photos.
The DSP sucked ass too. It was more than good enough for phone calls but it sucked for decent mp3 playback. The ringtones mostly were grainy and annoyed the fuck out of me. I left it on a simple MIDI "beep" tone...
Trust me. The phone was crap. The only redeeming factor is it was clear for calls, got good reception and had a useful datebook thingy.
Outside of that all the "added-value bonus gourmet quality additions" were useless and got in the way.
I'm saying people who create property that isn't physical should be afforded protection from people who want to distribute it without permission. If that's a "smear campaign" so be it.
May I ask what commercial non-physical property you have created [if any]? Do you still generate revenues from it? Should I be able to stamp my name on it and generate money off it too? Thanks!
I don't know what you're talking about. I don't buy CDs, I don't watch movies in theaters. I generally don't watch TV enough to get caught onto all the latest fads, etc...
I'm doing my part by giving the freaks in the entertainment business as little of my money as possible.
I listen to shoutcasts, I watch CNN or comedy central and actively block out commercial radio when it's played nearby.
The fact that I hate what they produce doesn't mean I don't support their right to protect their "IP".
I mean if I released libtomcrypt as commercial software I wouldn't feel right about people pirating it. But in your mind I guess the 3 years I spent writing it doesn't count for anything because you "want it".
If the fucktards didn't want to get a MPAA suit against them they should have just not hosted MPAA torrents.
And people rationalize the bible. Doesn't mean they're correct either.
Let's put things in "worth" shall we? On the entire planet I'd safely bet there are at least a 1000 or so people who could have played "neo". Prolly 10x that. As much as he wants to think so he's not that special. I mean, whoa.
So we got our star. But wait? We need a CG studio, makeup, costumes, editor, caterer, sound mixer, director, producer, security guards, legal teams, script writers/editors, casting supervisors, etc, etc, etc.
I can only imagine how lame the Matrix would have been without CG.
Matrix is a bad example though. They actually did work hard for that one [not millions of dollars hard] with all the training and what not. But most movies are "show up, hire stunt double, do your scene and go home".
They bitch about "oh 16 hour days". oh guess what. WELCOME TO FUCKING REALITY. Aside from $5/hr walmart greeters the rest of the world has [and had] long days at work.
They're only get paid that much because they're greedy. It's also "the way" sadly. I mean libtomcrypt does most of what BSAFE-C does [and some other things BSAFE doesn't] yet BSAFE-C sells and makes millions and libtomcrypt is free....
The college thing is meaningless. Bush went to university too. Look where that went.
As for the SATs I don't know if that's true [I try not to think about them unless I'm ranting] but even if it's true it doesn't mean they're intelligent.
And besides that, "smarts" or inteligence is only as "good" as you can find a use for. Even if they have 190 IQs and get a PhD from university if all they do with their lives is pander to horny and/or star-struck teenagers I don't see that as being too "educated".
And on top of all that, fuck them [not literally that's a crime]. millions of dollars per movie/appearance? Let's see how "shiny" they are when their annual income is say more inline with reality, say $50,000/yr or so.
The less money I have the more I hate those who get money effortlessly.
So no, paying 200 million for a cast of "super stars" won't entice me to see "yet another sequel". I'll rent it likely but that's paying a fraction of movie costs [family of 5 at theater == 50$, rental = 5$].
That's not the point. He said "piracy involves boats". I'm saying "This is 2004."
I don't know why people think it's right to violate their copyright just because "you can". Of course that's because most/.'ers don't "produce" anything of worth to have stolen [or misappropriated] to then empathize.
I disagree. ISPs and their providers should be common carriers. All they're responsible for is providing the bits [and making sure asshats don't find ways to stop the bits].
Sans that we would have to have our ISP inspect each packet to make sure it was "legal". You could also kiss encryption bye bye [or use escrow...]. Then at the same time we could limit mail to postcards only so that they can be readily viewed, etc. etc. etc.
I think it's not too much to hold the invididual users accountable for their actions. Of course this is the USA, home of the blameless. I didn't get fat because I have no self-control, McDonalds did that too me. I didn't get stupider on my own, the unteaching teachers did it to me. etc...
The buck stops at the asshat hosting the torrents and the users providing the content. The fact that the MPAA has only gone after the torrent host [at this point] isn't an argument against the MPAA it just means they want to cut the source off at the head.
Will that work in the long run? Really doubt it. Is it wrong though? No.
They're suing SPECIFIC website owners who host torrents of movies. I have yet to see them send a suit to gentoo.org or knoppix.net.
Grow the fuck up moron. Sure the MPAA is "evil" but not everything they do is wrong.
First off, piracy is still stealing. Maybe not the physical sense but surely from their pockets just the same. The whole point of making a movie/music compilation is that you want people to pay to see it. If you're not paying to see it [or at least pay for the media like a legit DVD or CD] then you're circumventing their wishes AND rights w.r.t. the media.
Second, asshat lamerz who simply MUST download 600MB movies over and over rob bandwidth from all the other users. It's not about saying "oh your access is worth less than mine". For example, I download a LOT of source code. Just my source code is legal and your movies are not. So might as well prioritize bandwidth for legal purposes don't you think?
Also in schools it's nothing to see the bandwidth effectively die around 9am when most students show up just because they simply must play net games, download media, etc...
It's called thinking of others... oh shit I said too much...
Last I checked piracy was still piracy. What gives you the right to faciliate piracy?
It's wrong to draw from this that "MPAA is making BitTorrent illegal". That's just stupid/. pandering.
What the MPAA is doing is cracking down on people who pirate and help people pirate movies. Big whoop.
Though I have my own ideas on how the movie studios could save money. STOP PAYING THEM SO MUCH. I mean how many studios are there? A dozen at most? If they all colluded and salary capped the stars to say 50,000$ per movie [give or take] we wouldn't have "multi-million dollar movies" where most of the money goes to the actors and not the actual crew behind the scenes WHO ACTUALLY MAKE IT HAPPEN.
You think Keano made the matrix? No it was 100s if not 1000s of "much lower paid" crew that did the CG, the sets, costumes, makeup, lighting, cameras, editing, etc...
I'll never understand how they can get off and say things like "oh the Olsen twins are worth 20 million dollars"... um to who? They're a pair of uneducated no-talent actors who ride their "being twins and decently good looks". Let's see what they're upto in 20 years shall we?
Same goes for all the other little "artistes". They poperzize their music, everything is staged, etc, then think they're worth a couple million per performance...
Well hate to break the news to ya little gal and guys. Most people work their entire lives and don't see a couple million. They "earn" a million dollars for a day long shoot then blow it on a rave and some diamonds... Then they have the audacity to wonder why people [other than brainwashed puppet teenagers] despise them... Hmmm....../rant
If the other little dweeb released his code under the GPL too than I say suck it dry. Use all the work without a second thought.
Of course if you guys share so much code why not just make a 3rd library of the shared code and be done with? E.g. take the intersection of your projects and make that a new library. That way you can focus on your particular tweaks and still be happy.
Of course I can come up with these cool ideas because I'm a forking genious.
More to the point there are BETTER solutions. Some people are replying with "but I use those features" Really?
First off, try getting your pictures off the phone without using windows or paying to send them via the cell network.
Second, the photos are low quality and usually hard to focus.
Third, the ring tones sound worse than the average MOD file of the 90s
fourth, the java is slow. The demo games play worse than the average atari 2600 game of the 80s.
etc, etc, etc...
Sure it's cool and perhaps easy to carry an all in one device. Except it's a jack of all trades and master of none.
My SP with PocketNES is infinitely more fun to "play". My PowerShot camera is infinitely more precise and worthwhile. My MP3cd player stores way more music and sounds much better
etc. etc. etc.
Here's a trick most repliers are missing though. First, I carry a backpack with me. So carrying a cellphone AND a gameboy isn't hard. Second, I don't carry everything I own with me. I can survive a 20 minute busride without my own personal supply of music.
Also by doing this I'm spreading my money around. I'm buying things **I** want not what they want to peddle on me.
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this is going nowhere.
The simple truth is it's their IP to protect within the law as they want. I'd believe that piracy helps sales. It gets the name out, shows people what's up, etc.. That's totally not the point though.
I'm sure breaking into your place and tidying up "doesn't hurt you" but it's your choice to permit that action is it not?
Tom
I won't get into other nations [where most problems aren't out of humanities control, just that they haven't resolve conflicts because they're mean people] but as for "give away"...
For the last three years I've been giving away software and knowledge that people actually use for free. I don't even ask for credit.
I don't have any money to give to charity though when I do get money I am charitable with my friends. Sure I don't fly to some country in Africa every weekend and sit in the trenches with some third-world 9yr old trying to make their lives better but that also is not too practical nor beneficial [think about how much help settlers had comming to this continent from Africans/etc].
Getting back to the twins... "talent" in acting would imply emotion. I seriously doubt they could portray someone with a cause I could stand for, or get upset by, I doubt they could portray sorrow that I could feel, etc...
For instance, in "civil action" I actually got into the movie and at the end was upset at the character travolta played's defeat. I felt sorry for the families of sick children, etc.
Their last movie was them bouncing around new york. From the commercial I saw one of them was sprayed with water while wearing a tight t-shirt. Oh now that's depth. Serious work here...
Maybe it's too early to tell what the twins are capable of but if they are just going to follow the media gravy train I'm sure in 20 yrs they'll still be tig-bag carriers working as a pair.
Tom
"Using your logic, no one makes what they are worth. They are all lucky, ungrateful bastards. Tell me one person who is worth what they make?"
... etc...
Steve Wozniak?
He spent long hours designing computers when there we're "computers" to be had. He [among others] helped invent the modern computer age?
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart?
He spent long hours composing music. Sure he was gifted from a young age but it's still a talent he had to develop himself. His parents couldn't sit him in front of the king and make him into an artist.
What have they done aside from "not get fat or scars"? Do they write their own productions? Do they invent new movie genres? Are they in anyway not a total marketting gimmick?
Same goes for Titney spears. "Oh I'm not a sex object". Hey sweetcheeks, that's what madonna said 20 years ago. Give it up.
Same thing with say Linsey Lohan. The only thing she did for her art was get breast implants. If she was so talented and in it for the art and money [but art should be a factor there] then she wouldn't care about not having 38lbs titties.
Face facts. They're not "earning" the money in any conventional sense. They're getting paid it because they're blowing money.
Think about it this way.
For every "super star" a studio puts out easily 100s if not 1000s of other equally talented artists are unsigned, unpublished and struggling to make money [usually by abandonning their music].
Should every dude with a guitar make millions? No. But if every dude with a guitar made a living that would be saying something. We would have diversity. We wouldn't be forced to listen to the #1 of the week [... on a Sunday].
Tom
Websites aren't common carriers nor should they ever be.
I think they [the admins] should be given fair warning before a C&D to do something about it. But I don't think they have the right to "post anything" just because it's a website.
At some point someone has to be liable for the content published. If you want to run a website where any jackass off the net [like me] can post shit then you have to accept some liability.
Tom
What 50$ phone has a 1GB SD memory card [or even the slot] a 3M pixel camera and a speaker/DSP worthy of "better sounding than your average mod?
I had the Motorola v220 [which is the only cheap quadband my provider carries]. It had a 640x480 camera [that's 0.3M pixel], 1.2MB of flash memory to store things in and a 22Khz DSP. It game with a "submarine" game which had as much gameplay appeal as playing jacks.
The pictures sucked ass. You couldn't get them off without either buying software from motorola and run windows [neither of which I want todo] or email them via the provider [at 0.05$ per KB].
The storage space was puny. 1.2MB makes for very few mp3s/photos.
The DSP sucked ass too. It was more than good enough for phone calls but it sucked for decent mp3 playback. The ringtones mostly were grainy and annoyed the fuck out of me. I left it on a simple MIDI "beep" tone...
Trust me. The phone was crap. The only redeeming factor is it was clear for calls, got good reception and had a useful datebook thingy.
Outside of that all the "added-value bonus gourmet quality additions" were useless and got in the way.
Tom
I'm saying people who create property that isn't physical should be afforded protection from people who want to distribute it without permission. If that's a "smear campaign" so be it.
May I ask what commercial non-physical property you have created [if any]? Do you still generate revenues from it? Should I be able to stamp my name on it and generate money off it too? Thanks!
Tom
They didn't create it. Their parents did with commercials and full-house when they were babies.
Essentially they were given a free ride in life [like say the royal family, gates kids, etc, etc...].
My point is they're worth jack squat. They were GIVEN breaks in their life that they didn't earn.
It's like saying a lotto winner "earned' the money. Sure they're entitled to it but don't play them off as "well they're definitely worth that much".
Tom
thanks for the correction. My point still stands though.
Tom
I don't know what you're talking about. I don't buy CDs, I don't watch movies in theaters. I generally don't watch TV enough to get caught onto all the latest fads, etc...
I'm doing my part by giving the freaks in the entertainment business as little of my money as possible.
I listen to shoutcasts, I watch CNN or comedy central and actively block out commercial radio when it's played nearby.
The fact that I hate what they produce doesn't mean I don't support their right to protect their "IP".
I mean if I released libtomcrypt as commercial software I wouldn't feel right about people pirating it. But in your mind I guess the 3 years I spent writing it doesn't count for anything because you "want it".
If the fucktards didn't want to get a MPAA suit against them they should have just not hosted MPAA torrents.
Tom
And people rationalize the bible. Doesn't mean they're correct either.
...
Let's put things in "worth" shall we? On the entire planet I'd safely bet there are at least a 1000 or so people who could have played "neo". Prolly 10x that. As much as he wants to think so he's not that special. I mean, whoa.
So we got our star. But wait? We need a CG studio, makeup, costumes, editor, caterer, sound mixer, director, producer, security guards, legal teams, script writers/editors, casting supervisors, etc, etc, etc.
I can only imagine how lame the Matrix would have been without CG.
Matrix is a bad example though. They actually did work hard for that one [not millions of dollars hard] with all the training and what not. But most movies are "show up, hire stunt double, do your scene and go home".
They bitch about "oh 16 hour days". oh guess what. WELCOME TO FUCKING REALITY. Aside from $5/hr walmart greeters the rest of the world has [and had] long days at work.
They're only get paid that much because they're greedy. It's also "the way" sadly. I mean libtomcrypt does most of what BSAFE-C does [and some other things BSAFE doesn't] yet BSAFE-C sells and makes millions and libtomcrypt is free.
Tom
The college thing is meaningless. Bush went to university too. Look where that went.
As for the SATs I don't know if that's true [I try not to think about them unless I'm ranting] but even if it's true it doesn't mean they're intelligent.
And besides that, "smarts" or inteligence is only as "good" as you can find a use for. Even if they have 190 IQs and get a PhD from university if all they do with their lives is pander to horny and/or star-struck teenagers I don't see that as being too "educated".
And on top of all that, fuck them [not literally that's a crime]. millions of dollars per movie/appearance? Let's see how "shiny" they are when their annual income is say more inline with reality, say $50,000/yr or so.
Tom
The less money I have the more I hate those who get money effortlessly.
So no, paying 200 million for a cast of "super stars" won't entice me to see "yet another sequel". I'll rent it likely but that's paying a fraction of movie costs [family of 5 at theater == 50$, rental = 5$].
Tom
That's not the point. He said "piracy involves boats". I'm saying "This is 2004."
/.'ers don't "produce" anything of worth to have stolen [or misappropriated] to then empathize.
I don't know why people think it's right to violate their copyright just because "you can". Of course that's because most
Tom
I disagree. ISPs and their providers should be common carriers. All they're responsible for is providing the bits [and making sure asshats don't find ways to stop the bits].
Sans that we would have to have our ISP inspect each packet to make sure it was "legal". You could also kiss encryption bye bye [or use escrow...]. Then at the same time we could limit mail to postcards only so that they can be readily viewed, etc. etc. etc.
I think it's not too much to hold the invididual users accountable for their actions. Of course this is the USA, home of the blameless. I didn't get fat because I have no self-control, McDonalds did that too me. I didn't get stupider on my own, the unteaching teachers did it to me. etc...
The buck stops at the asshat hosting the torrents and the users providing the content. The fact that the MPAA has only gone after the torrent host [at this point] isn't an argument against the MPAA it just means they want to cut the source off at the head.
Will that work in the long run? Really doubt it. Is it wrong though? No.
Tom
They're not "hot" but they're also better to look at than the average pack-mule.
Is that better?
Tom
And I'm sure drug dealers also tuck their kids in bed at night.
Big whoop. You want to "do nice"? Then don't get mixed up in "do bad".
I mean why don't I put pirated copies of HL2 on libtomcrypt.org while I'm at it then bitch when Sierra shuts the site down...
Fucktard.
Tom
At one point owning slaves was legal.
Times change dumbass.
Tom
No, stop being a /. yuppy.
They're suing SPECIFIC website owners who host torrents of movies. I have yet to see them send a suit to gentoo.org or knoppix.net.
Grow the fuck up moron. Sure the MPAA is "evil" but not everything they do is wrong.
First off, piracy is still stealing. Maybe not the physical sense but surely from their pockets just the same. The whole point of making a movie/music compilation is that you want people to pay to see it. If you're not paying to see it [or at least pay for the media like a legit DVD or CD] then you're circumventing their wishes AND rights w.r.t. the media.
Second, asshat lamerz who simply MUST download 600MB movies over and over rob bandwidth from all the other users. It's not about saying "oh your access is worth less than mine". For example, I download a LOT of source code. Just my source code is legal and your movies are not. So might as well prioritize bandwidth for legal purposes don't you think?
Also in schools it's nothing to see the bandwidth effectively die around 9am when most students show up just because they simply must play net games, download media, etc...
It's called thinking of others... oh shit I said too much...
Tom
What are you talking about?
tombox ~ # hostx -a www.demonoid.com
www.demonoid.com A 216.52.184.240
Last I checked piracy was still piracy. What gives you the right to faciliate piracy?
/. pandering.
.../rant
It's wrong to draw from this that "MPAA is making BitTorrent illegal". That's just stupid
What the MPAA is doing is cracking down on people who pirate and help people pirate movies. Big whoop.
Though I have my own ideas on how the movie studios could save money. STOP PAYING THEM SO MUCH. I mean how many studios are there? A dozen at most? If they all colluded and salary capped the stars to say 50,000$ per movie [give or take] we wouldn't have "multi-million dollar movies" where most of the money goes to the actors and not the actual crew behind the scenes WHO ACTUALLY MAKE IT HAPPEN.
You think Keano made the matrix? No it was 100s if not 1000s of "much lower paid" crew that did the CG, the sets, costumes, makeup, lighting, cameras, editing, etc...
I'll never understand how they can get off and say things like "oh the Olsen twins are worth 20 million dollars"... um to who? They're a pair of uneducated no-talent actors who ride their "being twins and decently good looks". Let's see what they're upto in 20 years shall we?
Same goes for all the other little "artistes". They poperzize their music, everything is staged, etc, then think they're worth a couple million per performance...
Well hate to break the news to ya little gal and guys. Most people work their entire lives and don't see a couple million. They "earn" a million dollars for a day long shoot then blow it on a rave and some diamonds... Then they have the audacity to wonder why people [other than brainwashed puppet teenagers] despise them... Hmmm...
If the other little dweeb released his code under the GPL too than I say suck it dry. Use all the work without a second thought.
Of course if you guys share so much code why not just make a 3rd library of the shared code and be done with? E.g. take the intersection of your projects and make that a new library. That way you can focus on your particular tweaks and still be happy.
Of course I can come up with these cool ideas because I'm a forking genious.
Tom
Stupid you buy when the trend is going up. If you bought now you'd lose your money.
Your original comment "great time to buy" is just wrong. Now is a good time to sell though.
Tom
No you're wrong.
Tom
More to the point there are BETTER solutions.
Some people are replying with "but I use those features" Really?
First off, try getting your pictures off the phone without using windows or paying to send them via the cell network.
Second, the photos are low quality and usually hard to focus.
Third, the ring tones sound worse than the average MOD file of the 90s
fourth, the java is slow. The demo games play worse than the average atari 2600 game of the 80s.
etc, etc, etc...
Sure it's cool and perhaps easy to carry an all in one device. Except it's a jack of all trades and master of none.
My SP with PocketNES is infinitely more fun to "play". My PowerShot camera is infinitely more precise and worthwhile. My MP3cd player stores way more music and sounds much better
etc. etc. etc.
Here's a trick most repliers are missing though. First, I carry a backpack with me. So carrying a cellphone AND a gameboy isn't hard. Second, I don't carry everything I own with me. I can survive a 20 minute busride without my own personal supply of music.
Also by doing this I'm spreading my money around. I'm buying things **I** want not what they want to peddle on me.
Tom
Hey newbie-troll, do some research first...
.com and .net domains can now be registered
tombox ~ # whois iamaluser.com
Whois Server Version 1.3
Domain names in the
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.
No match for "IAMALUSER.COM".