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MPAA Goes After More Bittorrent Site Operators
Just another Coward writes "DSL Reports grabbed a copy of the lawsuit threat letters sent by the MPAA to the bittorrent website owners. This latest document was sent to a Torrent site called 'demonoid.com', which is now offline."
Remember the napster trial? Saying "I just post links" doesn't cut much cheese against deep-pocket *AA's lawyers.
which is now offline
:)
And redirects to google.
At least they don't have to worry about being slashdotted now.
They should at least post funny responses, like like pirate Bay
http://www.piratebay.org/frame.html
Here was a sample response PirateBay sent to Dreamworks
lol. oh and first post?just a web application developer and instructor in Toronto, ON Canada
Where can I get an IP address like that? :)
Last I checked piracy was still piracy. What gives you the right to faciliate piracy?
/. pandering.
.../rant
It's wrong to draw from this that "MPAA is making BitTorrent illegal". That's just stupid
What the MPAA is doing is cracking down on people who pirate and help people pirate movies. Big whoop.
Though I have my own ideas on how the movie studios could save money. STOP PAYING THEM SO MUCH. I mean how many studios are there? A dozen at most? If they all colluded and salary capped the stars to say 50,000$ per movie [give or take] we wouldn't have "multi-million dollar movies" where most of the money goes to the actors and not the actual crew behind the scenes WHO ACTUALLY MAKE IT HAPPEN.
You think Keano made the matrix? No it was 100s if not 1000s of "much lower paid" crew that did the CG, the sets, costumes, makeup, lighting, cameras, editing, etc...
I'll never understand how they can get off and say things like "oh the Olsen twins are worth 20 million dollars"... um to who? They're a pair of uneducated no-talent actors who ride their "being twins and decently good looks". Let's see what they're upto in 20 years shall we?
Same goes for all the other little "artistes". They poperzize their music, everything is staged, etc, then think they're worth a couple million per performance...
Well hate to break the news to ya little gal and guys. Most people work their entire lives and don't see a couple million. They "earn" a million dollars for a day long shoot then blow it on a rave and some diamonds... Then they have the audacity to wonder why people [other than brainwashed puppet teenagers] despise them... Hmmm...
Someday, I'll have a real sig.
"the fall of the eastern empire"
Lookslike we need to move to our new home FreeNet
http://freenet.sourceforge.net/
...because I'm a stickler for quality and don't feel like monopolizing my connection for so long to get it.
The more I read about this, though, the more it pisses me off...so there's little seed in the back of my head that tells me not to waste my time with movies...and I don't. Gouging for a ticket is bad enough, but the additional gouging for food and beverage just adds insult to injury anyway.
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to use google to search for torrents directly.
-=fshalor
Pardon me, but is there a way to combine p2p and torrents? Torrents ultimatly solves the bandwidth clogging issue with popular downloads, but the security isnt there, by design.
.torrent files, and they are seeded by the same p2p program.
I run peergaurdian, so I feel fairly secure from litigation, but ultimatly these lawsuits are going to chop away at the websites, and we'll need an alternative.
Soooo, a searchable torrent p2p, where you can download the
Im not very network oriented, and I stopped coding with PASCAL many many years ago, so I'm limited in my capacity.. but surely you could combine the two technologies as to get torrents off of the web.
people mistake "free exchange of ideas" and "I don't have to pay for it."
"Wow. Now THAT'S a lot of angry Indians." - Lt. Col. George Armstrong Custer
filetype:torrent matrix
Well the article is somewhat interesting, like where they point out that the cited address has a '.450' in it.
But the real gem so far (in my oddball opinion) has been the discussion of anthracite vs. bituminous coal that followed. That thread was nine messages and two pictures of coal long last time I checked. AND, I felt like I actually learned something on slashdot. Not something I'm likely to use, but interesting trivia for Christmas parties at least.
Death to transfers that stop at 99.8%, sit around with 10x more uploading than downloading on a connection that does 3mbit/356kbit
This has always been my biggest gripe with BitTorrent. I have a 1.5 down/128 up DSL. Whenever I fired up BitTorrent, it would always upload at the full 12 KB/sec but download at closer to 1.2 KB/sec. I got so frustrated that I just shut it off and suffered with downloading from the company's main FTP site at a whopping 2.7 or 2.8 KB/sec, but it was still faster. (Yes, it was actually for legal purposes.) It should probably be renamed to BitTrickle.
I still think that it's a great tool that can be used for a lot of completely legal purposes, not the least of which would be game and application patches and updates. I can only imagine what the bandwidth costs must be to companies like Sun, any Linux distributor, Microsoft, etc. Why host the file when you can proviede a BT link and let everyone else distribute your patches for you?
But as long as BT gives abysmal download rates, I'll stick with the various Gnutella clients, newsgroups, or straight FTP.
The Overrated mod is for reversing inappropriate, positive mods, not for voicing disagreement with a post.
It should read something like "Bittorent Site Operators Invite Lawsuits". Seriously, who could have predicted that posting so many links to copyrighted works would draw the ire of the MPAA?
There's a Mercedes gap too. I want one and can't afford one, but it's not government's job to do anything about it.
I think it's a bit of a pitty because BitTorrent has/had such potential to revolutionize how the internet worked, but in the end it just became a place for illegal file sharing. Everyone talks about filesharing and the terrible things that the RIAA and MPAA want to do to stop it, but they act like illegal filesharing is a good thing - like it is a pious act. The EFF has kept defending it as if they have a righteous cause. Filesharing technologies do have legitimate uses. At the beginning, the EFF was telling the RIAA/etc. to go after indivivuals who were using it for illegal purposes. Now, the EFF has decided that those illegal actions need to be defended too. I think that someone needs to create a movement around real fair use. Nothing more, nothing less. Not stealing and not totalitarian MPAA/RIAA crap. Something that would allow me to use my music in the ways that I should be able to and for a fair price without resorting to stealing. Something that the majority of people in America (and the world) could agree with.
Just use filetype:torrent. Not pretty, but it works...
Well, when mp3's became hip, I downloaded them off sources on IRC. Then napster came out and every moron with an aol account was downloading mp3's. Then napster was shut down. Then connection speeds improved and I started downloading movies and apps from IRC. Then Kazaa/Fastrack came out. Then every moron with an aol accound was on Kazaa. Then they started suing said morons that put their email address in. THEN I started using bittorrent to download Linux ISO's, the pirating started with Bittorrent, and before I knew it, more morons with aol accounts were talking about suprnova. Then it died. Meanwhile I'm still on IRC and still no problems.
Just add /filetype:torrent to the end of your search... It only catches longer term torrents unfortunatly...
/filetype:torrent
E.G.
Fedora
(88 hits!)
TFA says: 66.250.450.10
Maybe mirror is located at 666.666.666.666...
There you are, staring at me again.
By downloading episodes my wife missed, she was able to keep up with the story and now she watches the show on a regular basis. Had I not downloaded them, "Disney" would have one less viewer... not that it really matters to them I guess.
Now we just need a way to make torrents look like html so google will cache them....
then they'll have to shut down Google!
Azureus allows you to throttle and it works extremely well. I can download at 400kb/s total (this absolutely pisses off my roommates as it cripples our net connection (but they appreciate it because I get these awesome downloads from a porno server, and then share the files with them)), and can only upload 30kb/s total.
Berto
Seconded, I liked that tracker. Any news on exeem and public availability yet?
What, like this? You just type "filetype:torrent moviename" into the seach box. Of course, this means that Google will be in violation of the INDUCE act should it ever get passed...
UNIX? They're not even circumcised! Savages!
Why hasn't freenet taken off yet? Is enough of this going to happen where freenet becomes the show-stopper?
Berto
It was a good site, reasonably well run--content was well categorised, reasonable commenting system, but they went down often too--too much load caused the site software to meltdown.
They had the usual forum too, where it was always pointed out that Demonoid did not host illegal software--all they hosted was .torrent files, which are meta files for any software or data.
It was paid through donations, and donators (more than $5) had their Up/Down ratio reset to 1 for a month. If you went below 0.25 Up/Down for too long, you faced being banned.
I saw it go down many times, and each time the owner resurrected it and promised donors their month back.
I mostly checked for software, and most of it worked.
Demonoid went down only because the site owner(s)/operator(s) and/or their site host reside in a country that has and actually cares to enforce DMCA-like/Copyright laws. A site similar to this will probably pop up in Russia or elsewhere in due time.
.torrent users themselves.
Notice that bi-torrent.com, supernova.org and their kin are still alive and well, and likely remain so for a quite a while.
The only way **AA will make any real headway here is to sue the
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you can
Or, google will just stop allowing searches for files of that type.
I'd hate to be his mom. "You went to jail for WHAT?? Couldn't you have been doing something I wouldn't be embarrassed to tell my book club about, like drugs or attempted murder!?"
These sites don't have any repository of any pirate material. They are a repository of LINKS... What the links are, ore are not, is not their responsibility. As is how you use them. In court, the *AA would loose, but of course these cases will never get to court as the people running the sites cant afford to fight. Its "justice" for the one with the most money. So if I link to some where else that has something offensive to you, does that make me the bad guy? No its your fault for going to the link.. Not mine.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
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and guess what? setting up your firewall correctly and using a non standard port (ISPs sometimes throttle standard filesharing ports) and limiting your upstream to about 5k/s less than its max, you get damn goo results. Learn how to use something before saying its broken.
The thing is Torrents were out there for any newbie to google for torrent sites and download them.
I agree that private ftp's must have a hoard thats wonderful but how do i find out about them?and then gain access to them?
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In short, the downstream and upstream share a buffer; if the buffer becomes full (i.e. maxxed out your upload capacity) then both streams will suffer. As the guy pointed out, Azureus (and other clients) will allow you to throttle your upstream.
In addition to this, you should also throttle your downstream just a bit (in case you are able to max it out, I believe the same problem could arise). I had mine throttled around 90% of each maximum (so about 175KB/12KB) and it worked like a charm.
As to the memory requirements, you might want to look into how often the client commits its memory cache to disk in order to alleviate this.
::jafomatic
I heard there are lots of legal uses for Google...
Linux is not Windows
The vulnerability of centralized networks in high threat environments is well known. The gray area of sharing of copyrighted materials between users is such environment. Networks built for that purpose should surely not rely on any central piece of infrastructure, there is nothing new about that. Publicly exposed marginal activity is only survivable until someone with some form of power takes aim at it, so current event should not be surprising.
All the BitTorrent sites need to move to developing nations, and parts of Asia where there are few or no copyright laws. In places where people are struggling just to find food, the idea that vapor has value is too absurd to even consider. Move your sites there.
How ya like dat?
What will happen to my Mandrake Powerpack Download !! 94% done ! Sigh, it was pirated after all :( .
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I'll never understand how they can get off and say things like "oh the Olsen twins are worth 20 million dollars"... um to who?
Uhm. Maybe if you can get both at once? I bet lot of men had dreams with it.
the Evil Bit(s)?
..the strange thing is the "Sponsored Links" part of the link you just posted ..
.. a search result containing the "filetype" and "moviename" but a Google add for downloading the movie?
The Incredibles
Download this great movie along
with 1000's of other favourites aff
www.downloadshield.com
Personally I find that very strange
You don't, an thats what makes them so much better. Theres so few people with leech access, the quality remains great. You (and the authorities) can't find out about them, because even people with accounts dont always know the real ip (they connect through a BNC). It just works better.
Pain lasts, kid. Its how you know you're alive. Sometimes I think this growing up thing is just pain management-TheMaxx
...the porn bt sites.
Where does it end?
When people stop pirating.
My firewall is fine, my throttleing is fine (I've even written my own rules with tc before). I can routinely get 200+ kB/s down ON POPULAR TORRENTS.
Plenty will hit 0.989 availability and noone with that last piece will join, or there will be only one person with the full file per dozens and dozens of people trying to get it, and due to async connections that just doesnt work.
Pain lasts, kid. Its how you know you're alive. Sometimes I think this growing up thing is just pain management-TheMaxx
They're trying for a decapitation attack. It's not going to work long term (any more than shutting Napster down did), but I can see how they'd feel they had to do something.
Of course, the problem with doing this is a lot like the problem with antibiotics. If you use them too much, the target adapts.
I rarely criticize things I don't care about.
First they came for Napster
and I did not speak out
because I switched to Kazaa.
Then they came for Kazaa
and I did not speak out
because I switched to bit torrents.
Then they came for bit torrents
and I did not speak out
because I switched to ED2K.
Then they came for ED2K
and there was no one left
for the entertainment industry
to blame for their troubles.
So they went out of business,
and now there is only me.
True, the ISPs stingyness with upstream can be somewhat blamed. But community trackers often accept reseed requests, which is why certain trackers going down really annoys many people.
Don't use the word, "gay" to mean bad. That's so retarded.
No way, this was my last good torrent source! Im going to have to download everything from FTP's now!
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Given the usual lack of legal understanding in the geek community, I really don't give much credence to what PirateBay has to say.
In practice, if your large BitTorrent download stops at above 99 percent, then the submitter probably changed a readme file after making the torrent. Your "big files" are probably still in working order; try playing one. And if you have typical Comcast rates, try using Azureus with your upload capped at 80 percent of your true upload in order to allow your downloads' ack packets to go back.
I agree with you, but I cannot buy less than zero of their products....
And what's this about piracy is only for the elite? That has to be the most half-cooked concept I've heard on piracy to date. I'm just as frustrated as the next nerd by 12 year old 1337 h@>0®5 and soccer moms downloading with abandon, but I don't think one can justify taking a stance against someone's "right" to piracy based on their level of computer literacy.
is to use the word piracy -- which implies ilegality, immorality, violence, etc -- to designate "copyright infringement" -- which is a totally different beast, and in some sane countries is not even a criminal offense, even if it is a civil illicit. In doing that, you are effectively participating in the forementioned smear campaign. Understand?
It's better to be the foot on the boot than the face on the pavement. ~~ tkx Kadin2048
How about GTorrent?
I have a 1.5 down/128 up DSL
Well.. that's not DSL, it's very ADSL.
Bittorrent is a system that rewards you the more you upload. If you're on an asymmetric line it will probably max the UL even if the DL is not so good. If most users in the swarm are on massively asymmetric lines, well the total upload bandwidth available will be terrible. And you'll all be maxed UL while throttled DL.
The real issue here is greed, bittorrent is a co-operative system. Do you let torrents run to a share ratio over 1:1? I leave them until I've shared twice what I downloaded. I Contribute. If you are not willing to pay for the upload bandwidth to contribute properly, don't expect sympathy from those of us who do.
Oh, and you have to be willing to -wait- (yep, strange concept to most people I realize) for the torrent to complete. Of course you can always try to find a ftp, or whatever, site that can match your awesome download bandwidth. But I bet you want that for free too.
Basically, Bittorrent is socialist, greed is not a attribute that it rewards. But it's in a capatalist system, so you can have an alternative. Try Kazzaa.
"Oops, I always forget the purpose of competition is to divide people into winners and losers." - Hobbes
"It Begins."
The constant repeating of the same arguments counter-arguments that we had the last two times this subject came up. There are no listeners, just a bunch of people all trying to out shout each other.
At least with a college/ university education they teach you to listen and debate in a reasonable manner. Rather than the "he who yells loudest wins" that the YRO and Politic section currently represents.
Are you sure that isn't indouche act? It will supposedly "clean things up".
Professional Politicians are not the solution, they ARE the problem.
Time to melt their server...
URL:http://www.jenner.com
I just started using Demonoid Tuesday evening to download a few recent eps of Enterprise. I got two of them, but the third is about 2/3 done. Shoot, shoot, shoot...
*sigh*
Well, I'll just hope they come back up later. Fuck you, MPAA! Fuck you bad!
... what's the conversion factor between tons and a cord of firewood? We'll assume seasoned hardwood for now.
I think its becoming very clear that centralised torrent distribution isn't going to work.
If you are going to host a popular torrent site then you are going to need bandwidth (for the site alone, no mention of trackers yet). Most bandwidth providers (a.k.a ISPs) are getting very paranoid about letters like these arriving. In fact I'm guessing that most ISPs have terms and conditions stating that they can switch you off faster than a light-bulb if they get such a letter.
The problem with these ISPs is that they need things like credit card details for payment, etc. etc. etc. This trail will eventually lead to a physical person who paid for the hosting - and thus someone the MPAA can put the rap on.
Lets just rewind here a sec. First there was FTP/HTTP for downloading "stuff". This worked while demand was average, and no one was paying much attention. The head came on, people (read: lawyers) took notice. Letters were sent, people abandoned FTP/HTTP for P2P networks.
Everything was good so far until it came to delivering large content (read: Movies, Apps, whatever). The P2P networks simply scale well to delivering this content well. But they still provided a reasonable amount of privacy.
Next (roughly speaking) came BitTorrent - it fixed the P2P bottle necks of gnutella & co. But it now depended on a centralised infrastructure for informing people on where to find the Trackers.
More experienced hands at BitTorrent and Gnutella might be able to help out here:
What if the
This could be taken to the next level then - if the content is coming from multipe sources, and if individually the "copyright" material does not arrive from a single source - what can you prosecute the individual sources for - serving up a fragment ? If the data is interleaved between 10 hosts and every 10th byte is stored on one host, it would be very difficult to prove that the host contains the material.
Just my $0.02
[ Monday is a terrible way to spend one seventh of your life. ]
What does this mean for the owners of the domain? they can comply with the request, exactly as written.
"Your Honor - we had not destroyed or tampered with any evidence associated in anyway with the IP address 66.250.450.10. - No. Really."
If they are gutsy, they'll wipe anything associated with all other IP addresses, and encrypt the data file and to secretly send it to the free 1 terabyte storage online folks
Not quite as bad as the recent email virus redirecting people to 192.168.2.153 (or whatever it was), but really.
"It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
Please make your mind up whether you're pro-free market or against it.
If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
At most it copyright infringement, not theft. Geesh Get it right.
Regardless, its a LINK site, it doesn't host anything that is even remotely infringing anyone's copyrights.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Upon discovering DSL reports has no bugmenot account, I promptly created one:
user: asdffdsaasdf
password: asdfasdf
If just one of five people emailed the 'RIAA dentist' to inform him of his excessive douchebaggery (moppenheim@jenner.com) the world would be a better place.
P.S. ARRR ARRRRR Sir Tandeth; i've come to take your booty!
You lost that argument a long time ago. Definitions change with usage. Common usage, whether you like it or not, is to conflate piracy with unauthorised duplication. I say duplication, because current anti-piracy music disk mangling is aimed at preventing duplication, nor distribution. The RIAA tried to go further with their lawsuit against Diamond over the Rio just because it played mp3s, but they backed down on that one, so for the moment, piracy == unauthorised duplication, as it's meant by the people who actually use the word the most.
If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
They're trying for a decapitation attack
...not really. They're trying to remove the single-most userfriendly and simply way to get pirated content. They have no illusions that this will stop most filesharing. Remember, that to a common user, it went like this.
1. Install BitTorrent
2. Click on link
They don't really care how it works. There's no ratios, no shares, no slots, no configuration, nothing. And it was fast, at least with popular content (which is, by definiton, what the common user wants). Many of these will find other P2P apps too complex.
Kjella
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
The fact that sites are being shutdown is nothing major. The system that the **AA is using is antiquated. They're dead, but they don't know it. Donate to the EFF
and Down Hill Battle
Let the **AA know how outdated they are.
Agreed. The "I can't help myself" defense is getting old, and is just embarresing. The other AC is saying "they will not let you bring in food or drink". Correct, but it misses the point. How about "I will simply not eat or drink while at the movies." Oh wait, that's too hard.*
Note well, todays morality isn't about self-restraint, but how you can find loopholes in the law. If you can't say no to spending money(1), or are unable to sneek food and drink in (loophole)? Then it's everyone elses fault for your lack of self-control.
(1) No wonder Americans are in such debt. Do we blame companies for catering to our desire for possessions?
Personally I'm sick to death of hearing about the MPAA sueing everybody and their brother over illegally trading music. Why do people trade in the first place?
If they would address that issue and rethink their production and distribution of media then maybe people would be more likely to goto the record store and purchase it.
Until they rethink their business model and do a radical change of their whole system, I for one won't buy shit. If everyone stopped buying music and didn't download it, artists would start to beg us to download and trade their music. How long is a record label going to back an artist that can't sell one ticket to a concert?
I am Bennett Haselton! I am Bennett Haselton!
"What, like this? You just type "filetype:torrent moviename" into the seach box. Of course, this means that Google will be in violation of the INDUCE act should it ever get passed..."
I suspect that Google employs better lawyers than the ones Slashdotters are stuck using.
People in the entertainment industry are basically the personification's of greed, I assure you that cheaper actors wouldn't make a cheaper product for the consumer.
Take a movie like Clerks, this movie was made for less than $30000, still the DVD was just as pricey as the rest of them.
And lets not forget the blair witch, that silly movie made $248 Million dollars in theaters worldwide. And with a production budget of $35000 , that a pretty neat profit. Still, did the DVDs and Video's cost less? No, of course not(you can never have to many Bentleys mind you).
And don't even get me started on some of the television series, a complete collection of Voyager has a list price of ~$900. For a product which was already making a nice profit before hitting the DVD media.
Greed killed the cat, and hopefully it will kill Hollywood too. As long a products are getting priced the way that they are today, there will be pirating. No CSS, DRM or insert-name-of-latest-MPAA-holy-grail-here will change that.
I was going to go with the slightly less contentious "linux" as a search term, but that same "Sponsored link" swung it. Besides, using a recent box office smash makes a point too: Supernova and other Torrent index sites are a convenience, nothing more. The horse has already bolted and all that the MPAA/RIAA lawsuits will achieve is to close the barn door. It wasn't that long ago that the BSA tried marching roughshod over all the sites offering cracks and keygens for applications. You don't have to look very hard to find that aspect of the Internet is still very much alive and well, so what makes anyone think that these lawsuits are the death knell for online distribution of music, movies and TV shows etc?
UNIX? They're not even circumcised! Savages!
The problem isn't technology, but lack of respect.
Lack of respect for others, be they artists, or not. There's a large (and growing) population that simply doesn't give a damn about anything or anyone else, except for themselves, and issues that could affect that.*
*It's not economic either. That could have been solved years ago by simply saying no. That whole "The market forces" talk that's bantered around here. Kind of hard to be a "force" when the mouth says no, no. But the hands, and wallet say yes, yes.
Haha -- at some points, the letter from the MPAA is just wrong. They list Columbia, Twentieth Century Fox, Warner Bros., etc., as the copyright owner for files such as 50_First_Dates.torrent. Take a look at page 5, linked from here.
.torrent is? Someone should inform these lawyers that their clients don't, actually, own what they're claiming to own. There's probably some felony charge associated with that sort of behavior.
Do they even know what a
I believe that's one of the reasons they, and many other companies, are lobbying against it...
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some priest back in germany rememberd the times of the nazi era and he later said to some journalists:
....... and nobody was left to stand up and speak out for me.
first, they came for the communists, heck i wasnt a communist and i didnt speak out.
then they came for the jews, and i didnt bother since i wasnt a jew ofcourse, and i didnt speak out
then they came and took the disabled, the gypsies, the poor and homeless, well obviously i wasnt concerend either, and i didnt speak out.
then they came for me,
amen.
people, start to wake up and think before drawing conclusions like: "hey i dont care bout this shit, i dont download 'x', i only download 'y', and i dont give a damn.
someday there will be hunts for values, political beliefs and much more again, and guess what, people will always be lazy and dont stand up for their rights, they wont unite until its too late, and until the masses are no masses any more, and everbody is separated, criminalized and prosecuted.
you will see.
You think they don't know about it but when people who are in the 'scene' can get onto drftpd sites in a matter of 3 weeks, I believe there is DEFINITELY a security flaw and it is just a matter of time before there is another bust.
"Why hasn't freenet taken off yet? Is enough of this going to happen where freenet becomes the show-stopper?"
Translation: When can I go back to illegally downloading material without any consequences?
Translation, translation: Actions don't have consequences.
Translation, translation, translation: Entertain me.
Buying a "discounted" DVD or game on the street with cash is always the cheaper and safer way to fight piracy.
What if the .torrents were put on a P2P network? The files are no longer very big so the scaling issues are not that important. If people are worried that the MPAA are going to go after people who store .torrents, why not encrypt them, or spread them between two/three "buddy" hosts...
.torrent hosts, that's either shitty reporting or a diversion. They're going after big trackers.
.torrents anonymously isn't the problem.. they're such little files, you can usually cram them just about anywhere (DNS maybe even?). Storing and distributing peer lists is the real problem.
The MPAA is not just going after big
Storing and distributing
BT isn't a p2p network in the conventional sense, it's a network of p2p networks. Each "torrent" is a p2p network on it's own, self contained and independent of any other torrent.
This p2p network needs a way to keep track of it's members, and hereing comes the tracker. The tracker's primary duty is to deliver random subset of the peerlist to peers when they request it.
So, an effective tracker must
1) Know of -all- the peer's IPs in the swarm
2) Be easy to contact
3) Give away peer's IPs to anyone who asks
Thus, BT as it currently sits (a quick, efficient way to offload some server bandwidth onto users) is not suited for illegal content: That same thing which makes it good/strong/fast (the trackers) is what makes it easy to litigate.
PS: In BT, pieces very, very rarely arrive from a single source.. I don't think this has stopped anyone from litigating.
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What really gets me is that there is tons of child porn, snuff, and other illegal stuff on the torrents and p2p networks. Why don't people get upset about this? It seems to me that the message being sent is "If you download our stuff, you are in trouble. But, if you download illegal sex films, that is OK." Seems a bit backwards to me...
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"Demonoid went down only because the site owner(s)/operator(s) and/or their site host reside in a country that has and actually cares to enforce DMCA-like/Copyright laws."
Translation: It's OK to take something that's not yours without permission.
Translation: Found written on a high school bathroom wall.
"A site similar to this will probably pop up in Russia or elsewhere in due time."
Translation: Neiner, neiner.
Translation, translation: It's OK to use technology to screw others. It's not ok when it's used to screw you out of a job.
the spammers need to start attaching torrents to their crap to get people to read them
Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
You can't win, Darth. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.
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make install -not war
" All the BitTorrent sites need to move to developing nations, and parts of Asia where there are few or no copyright laws. "
CEO: Let's move our operations to a country that has no labour laws, and no pollution controls.
"In places where people are struggling just to find food, the idea that vapor has value is too absurd to even consider. Move your sites there."
Unless it's that "vapour" that's keeping food on the table.
Ok, most statistics state that more than 90% of all file sharing and movie downloads on the internet is pr0n. The pr0n industry revenue wise which is a bigger industry than hollywood would seem to be the ones that are losing out the most. But, you don't see them b*tching about a few people downloading some really bad pr0n movies. Do you?
MPAA needs to get a clue, get a better business model and $hut the f*ck up, have they ever thought of offering movie downloads on their own. Heavens forbid, dumb a$$es. I almost hope the MPAA and the RIAA goes out of business, I know you all frown because then we'd have no more block buster movies or music
And I say to you, well good ridance, now the indie movies and artists can shine. Or moreover, when the hell was a the last time a good movie or good album was made by MPAA or RIAA companies? Yeah, I know in that light we wouldn't be missing much at all.
Just went to the Pirate Bay site
and well they have a quite funny remark
".. The site might be somewhat slow, as we suddenly got a huge jump in traffic..."
I wonder when they'll start to shut down IRC servers..
I might be way off base, but if someone uses a gun to commit a crime, is the arms dealer breaking any laws? Shouldn't ATF sue that arms dealer for making that act of crime possible? No, and neither should MPAA/RIAA sue bt trackers. But hey, what can they do about it...
I mean, bittorrent tracker's are not the ones breaking laws. Not to my knowledge at least.
Making something possible that is illegal, is not illegal per se. IANAL tho.
-Is the meaning of life vanity, or is vanity the meaning of life?
HA!!! Empornium.us is still up and biggest tracker, except for suprnova.org (R.I.P)
currently they charge 5 bucks (or free) and the thousands that saz collects (yes thousands) goes into infrastructure
true, its not MPAA or RIAA stuff but rather playboy, hustler, and porn in general, and pron likes the p2p 'advertising" but saz is a creep for taking money
he closed his P.O. box about a years ago, and hid behind paypal before that got shut down, now saz uses alternative sources.
no other tracker in the WORLD is as efficient as empornium.us because leeches are usually (not always) banned and it tracks uplaod download, but of course BT protocol can be hacked the way empornium.us tallies.
i predict Empornium.us being the biggest BT tracker FOREVER , thousands of functioning torrents, and many happy traders
The problem isn't where to host the .torrent files, its how to host the trackers.
Now if every client was a tracker, that might be different.
- Michael T. Babcock (Yes, I blog)
Empornium.us **IS** in the USA though, and its a LARGER and more active tracker service than Pirate Bay
and it tries to avoid irritating MPAA though
Maybe he meant "gay" as in "happy." That is what the word means, after all.
Why not take it to the next level and host *.torrents on Freenet?
Just a Tuna in the Sea of Life
What happens if the pirates invoke the right of parley?
"No, but I do blame companies that spend millions of dollars a year to sow artificial desires in the shared mindspace of society, via ubiquitous advertisements."
1) No one can make you buy something.
2) Music is either a natural desire, or something thats artificially motivated.
"If the MPAA adjusted their prices to reflect more accurately the value the market assigned to their movies, there would be less interest in downloading them and burning them to DVD (which is a time consuming process). It worked for the music industry."
Your peers don't agree with you, and their actions speak louder.
It depends on a lot of factors, how much bandwidth I'm willing to push up. My Verizon line isn't quite as asymmetric as Comcast's (1536:384 vs. 3072:256), which might help.
Some torrents, I throttle to BitTornado's minimum of 3 K/s. Others, if I feel like helping to seed (e.g., stuff I have a direct involvement in, or stuff where I'm exceptionally grateful to see a seed actually show up), I push sometimes up to 40 K/s (which is just below 90% of my 45 K/s effective uplink).
I have to keep my uplink low, though, since I run IRC file servers, and they are very popular (I am almost constantly uploading over IRC).
Moll.
What you hear in the ear, preach from the rooftop Matthew 10.27b
Theft, according to the criminal code in my country is defined as:
"The taking away of a moveable thing owned by someone else."
Note: "taking away"
The theft claim comes from the idea that part of the value (in the form of potential profits) is removed.
It's similar to the doctorine of "partial taking". Courts use that to force payments to landowners out of zoning/land-use planning agencies when they drastically reduce an owner's property values by changing the rules to reduce the things that can be done with the property. "Partial taking" applies the fifth amendment prohibition on "private property be[ing] taken without just compensation". Even though the property is still there, some of the value has "been taken".
If the Supreme Court applies this interpretation of "taking" to GOVERNMENTS, you can bet it will apply it to individuals as well. And other people than judges can grasp the concept easily, as well.
So splitting hairs with dictionary entriesmight make you feel good. But it isn't going to convince any judges, anyone leaning toward the other side, or bring any significant numbers of fence-sitters around to your position. Instead it makes you look like you're disconnected from economic reality, making it counter-productive.
IMHO the thing to do is avoid this argument and concentrate on the Founders' original one: That copyright is a TEMPORARY PRIVILEGE intended to INCREASE the amount of creative material FREELY available in the middle-distant future by letting authors and their publishers make money on it without competition from copiers for a SHORT TIME after its creation.
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
I think they go for the free sites because that's where presumable the most downloads come from.
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If it was just stealing from large corporations, I'm sure we could all say "they can afford it" and forget about the problems. It isn't. Look at the software available on warez web sites. OK, some of it is from Microsoft and that just hurts Microsoft, right? What about the little guys that are hoping to be able to pay their credit card bill this month?
If your sole income is from software sales, piracy hurts you and your family. Don't give me that "it should all be free - charge for support" crap. Properly-written user software better not need support much, and when it is needed it better be free.
I just read your post title (LOL) and only have this to say: That's why suprnova.org shut down and will re-open with Exeem links. No, they didn't shut down because MPAA knocked on their door, but as a precautionary measure so they wouldn't get caught.
:-P
:-D
There's a blog with the news and screenshots of Exeem, but I forgot where it was and can't find the forum thread about the reopening on Neowin either.
You'll just have to trust a random internet stranger on it.
Beware: In C++, your friends can see your privates!
Right up until it causes a kernel panic, anyway.
Your law is strong. Our lawyers are puny. Crush them!
Slightly OT, but just so you know, Reeves handed out $82 million of his own money to the various crew members who worked on the three Matrix movies. So while he may be making a lot more money than what his talent is worth, at least he sees the value in everyone else working on the project.
Here's a source for that information, btw
Maybe because you used some non-standard syntax. Here's how you do it:
<a href = "http://moo.com"> Text Goes Here </a>
this dude downloads fast : http://www.livejournal.com/~usernotfound/
You call it excessive, I call it ambitious.
I was just trolling for responses like this. It worked. :)
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Best way to point out the obvious, get links to it, and have 5 other people do all your research: say it can't be done on
God I love this site.
-=fshalor
"If your sole income is from software sales, piracy hurts you and your family. Don't give me that "it should all be free - charge for support" crap. Properly-written user software better not need support much, and when it is needed it better be free."
Sorry, but you're wrong. You made the instantly fatal assumption that every person who "pirates" your software would have paid for it. You also assumed that everyone who pirates your software *won't* pay for it ever.
Maybe i'm wrong but isn't this the exact type of cases the EFF loves to fight?.
here we have a small electronic company who is getting beaten up by larger lawyer driven companies.
Personally, i don't see a shred of evidence or a claim of breaking the law in the material i browsed.
Providing links is a far ways off to distributing content. I think it would be intresting to see this one fought out because it's an obvious scare tactic.
Sorry, my mod points just ran out, or you'd have been (+1, Insightful). That was the most articulate debunking of the usual Slashdot "But it's not theft!" moaning that I've seen in a long time. I hope you get the +5 you deserve.
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
The assertions made in the parent post are an excellent example of why effective January 1, 2005, SA will no longer support, promote or condone any file sharing protocols, servers, devices, etc in any way shape or form.
Recently there has been a MASS influx of members who joined SOLELY for the "file" forums. The members fee for SA is for the quality of the forums, not the availability of the files. As a member myself, I wasn't even clued into the file forums until a solid year into my membership there, and I felt my $10 was well spent up till then. With the popularity of the file forums has come a plague of 14 year old 1337 H@>0®5 in search of free porn and software. Noting this trend, the community collectively decided to terminate the file forums entirely.
I assure you, the SA community despises the recent rash of idiots more than you possibly could.
SA was best as it's original off color "humor" site platform. Hopefully this action will be a push back in that direction.
PS: In the future, perhaps it would be wise to refrain from overtly slamming an entire community you know nothing about, based solely half-cooked assumptions.
What about Sealand? Looks like server heaven to me.
I bet your ISP limits the default BT ports and your still using them. Try a different range. I started using a different range and my speeds went from maxing a 30K to 200K. ABC allows you to limit the up load speed. You'll have to set the range in the BT client and you firewall. Limit your client to 1-2 downloads.
I just spent 20 minutes looking you your sig... Is that your quote or did someone else say it.
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Found it referenced here"
http://zoidtechnologies.com/mantra.php?mode=vie
-=fshalor
They're way ahead of you there; they've already extended copyright terms so far into the future, and become so restrictive with their copyrights, that fair use is becoming meaningless.
Hahaha, you sound bitter, what happened? Did you break the rules and get banned? Nice job on your links
Sorry, but you are wrong. He made the not unreasonable assumptions that
I defy you to argue (with a straight face) that either of these assumptions is false.
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
Ohh, you poor thing, did you get banned for leaching? Iss ok, Momma make it all better.
No, centralized torrent distribution works just fine for what it was designed for! At no time was the capability of providing anonymous services for warez a consideration.
Don't like it? Solve the problem yourself. Bram Cohen has stated time and again that he has no interest in solving it for you. The BitTorrent code is readily available in several languages, now. You are free to use that as a starting point if you really care that much about it.
I had sort of figured out s/moviename/other keyword/ , but I must admit that I hadn't used the filetype: method before. :-)
.. in the end, they will loose though.
The MPAA/RIAA are fighting against the sea, thinking that they are beating it back because of the tide. There will come a flood, make no mistake. On the other hand, they HAVE to fight, because this is the foundation of their world. If they let go, they loose everything. So, they have to hold as hard as they can, for as long as they can
Posted anonymously, because everytime I post something contrary to the Slashdot groupthink Microsoft/SCO/RIAA/MPAA=evil, everyone else=good.. my Karma goes down.
This is great news. Fewer avenues for piracy is always a good thing.
They may not hold the copyright on a .torrent, but did you notice that the MPAA took the time to download the actual .torrent and see what was subsequently downloaded? They own the material that has been downloaded due to the information contained within the .torrent file.
This was posted by a user named "footballdude" on DSLreports.com, so I cannot take the credit for it but it made me laugh and I think it's worth re-posting here (I added the part about the invalid address).
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The conversation in court, regarding the letter to the website owners where the complaintant claims they face "severe sanctions" should they delete any pirated material or usable evidence in the case against them, might go something like this:
"Your honor, these malcontents deliberately destroyed evidence against them."
"What evidence?"
"The stuff you destroyed."
"I don't know what you're talking about."
"Our programmers traced your IP address and saw copyrighted material."
"You mean the impossible address of 66.250.450.10 you listed? Who has that address, anyway?"
"We meant to say
"They were mistaken, I don't have any copyrighted material."
"Because you deleted it!"
"I never had any. Even if I did, wouldn't you want me to delete it?"
"No! We wanted you to keep it."
"If you want me to keep it, why are you suing me for having it?"
"Your honor, please remove the defendant and issue a summary judgement for twenty thousand dollars."
uR iGn0ranc3, Their Power
Think of it this way.
:-)
IRC is the supply lines.
Napster/Kazaa/Bittorrent is the battle grounds.
The AOL users are the green soldiers sent into battle not knowing what faces them.
If the pressure keeps up, the MPAA/RIAA will eventually crack. They can only keep fighting this losing battle for so long. Since our soldiers never die, they just move onto new battle grounds.
That's right - a new form of class struggle.
Those with the IP, and those without it.
And to improve:q =filetype% 3Atorrent+moviename&as_qdr=m3
http://www.google.com/search?as_qdr=m3&
(Last three months)
Ok first of all WDMA is not in any associated with the SA forums at all. Second of there will be no more "add-ons" since Lowtax will get getting rid of them as of January 1st due to the many leeches who don't contribute anything to the community.
Welcome to a real forum, where we use something called HTML. You might have heard of it, and even might considder reading up on it a little before you go back to hanging out with the other loosers that got banned from WDMA for leeching. Have a nice life, fuckhead.
It would be nice to see one of these sites get the EFF on their side to fight this out. I am not sure how a judge would rule. For example, is it illegal for someone to tell another person where to go and get illegal drugs or where to go to get stolen goods? I don't know since IANAL.
One other thing I think some of these sites that have closed shop should do is stay open and just allow legit .torrents. For example, .torrents of tons of OSS software. Obviously this wouldn't attract all the warez kiddies but would give strong proof of the benefits of P2P.
If any lawyer reads this, I have a Q? Is it legal to share a TV show that you recorded on P2P? I can record my favorite show and give it my friends to watch, so how would doing the same thing electronically be illegal?
If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land,
it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison
"gay" used to denote a sort of lighthearted or a happy care free feeling.... ever met a homo who didn`t drink, use drugs, or is "really" happy with thier lives and themselves? i know straight people who aren`t happy.... but they don`t make an issue of thier sex life. besides, wait till you see what happens to san francrisco (yes that`s a typo!)... i wouldn`t want to live thier when it does...
> 2. fig. The appropriation and reproduction of an
> invention or work of another for one's own profit
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>, without authority; infringement of the rights
> conferred by a patent or copyright.
Precisely, *FOR ONE'S PROFIT*. If I copy CDs and sell them, I'm committing piracy. Piracy is a commercial crime, not a personal crime.
If I copy CDs and give them to people, I may be infringing copyright laws, but I'm not committing piracy.
[i] So that is how SA make their cash, by charging for access to their forms and their warze sites.[/i]
Once again, a prime example of the ignorance that emits from those poor, bitter souls who more than likely got banned their first day for being a file-leeching asshole.
Warez is a bannable offense at SA. And if there wasn't a $10 fee the place would turn into a Fark or a Genmay. It's the last safe haven of the internet, and with 50,000+ members it's hard to bash the community.
Lowtax must be doing something right to have that many loyal members.
p.s. He also charges $5 for an avatar, I bet that tears you up inside, doesn't it?
These are some theoretical musing, on what a real pirate might think. I, of course, don't advocate breaking any copyright laws:
Arrr, matey. I personally could care less about the RIAA, the MPAA, or who ever. And I'm busily downloading everything I can via bittorrent. Here's why.
So far, the *AA lawsuits have been BS, and everyone knows it. The *AA doesn't actually want to go to court, because that would be expensive, and all Hell would break loose if they lost a case. So that's why they offer to settle out of court for $3,000. That's IF they catch you; and so far, they haven't had much luck with that.
Arrrr. Shiver me timbers. I'm quite happy to settle with the MPAA, if they catch me. So far, that works out to 50 cents a song, which is lower than what ITunes charges. Quite a bit of booty for me, don'cha think? Har, Har! And the price is dropping every day!
Blow me down. Should they ever do such an enforcement action, I'll just open up me an account at some offshore ISP, and download from there! Arrrr, it will still be cheaper than paying for their DRM-laden crap that they are pushing.
Har. I love the economics of the internet. So, *AA, do your worst. You've got an uphill battle to fight, and you won't win.
Of course, you could actually change your business model. But I be suspectin that we'd have to pillage and rape Hollywood first; instead of the other way around.
"No. The truth is, in this context, "piracy" is an emotionally charged word used to make copyright infringement sound a lot worse than it is."
You mean that copyright infringement isn't people taking something of value without paying for it?
If so then when I walk out of the store without paying for an item? I'm not stealing. I'm illegally infringing on their right to sell that item for profit.
Wow! I didn't know english was double-jointed?
It's nice to know that by changing what you call something. The actual act becomes something else. Murder isn't the taking of someone's life. It's "illegally infringing" on their right to exist.
"Piracy involves stealing, raping and murdering innocent people when caught in remote locations where society can offer no protection."
Similiar to the economic raping delivered by "illegal infingement" and the subsiquent "neiner, neiner, your laws can't touch us"
"Copyright infringement is illegal, and should be punished appropriately. But calling it piracy is ridiculous. So are the ridiculous "you're punishing the gaffers and set builders" propaganda commercials.""
Just as "ridiculous" as the "Inflation doesn't hurt you in the wallet" propoganda put out by the government.
"At the heart of this is money, like everything else. this is about the MPAA and RIAA executives making a LOT of money for making the stupid executive decicisions that Michael Eisner apparently makes every day."
Of course all the piracy out there is just the big corporations. No one ever pirates the little guy.
"When something is stolen, something is missing. When a copyright is enfringed, the original work remains. Does that help clarify the difference?"
So far as the fact that your an idiot.
"If you call it piracy and stealing, you are a tool of the MPAA and RIAA viral marketing campaign."
And if you call it "illegal" infringement, and pretend you don't understand what people are actually saying then your a tool of a group that has as much of an agenda as those they accuse.
"There is plenty of behavior among RIAA executives and those enfringing copyrights that is both illegal and immoral. I say we start calling the record company executives "rapists"."
And I'd say your inability to just "say no" makes you a "CONSUMER". Pucker up.
So what'd you get banned for?
SA endorses spam. Let them rot away.
IANAL (I doubt a real lawyer would have the time, or the inclination, to read /.). But at a guess, the sites hosting .torrent files to copyrighted content could probably be nailed for contributory infringement. Sure, they don't have an actual hand in the infringement, but it seems quite obvious that they are enabling the infringment to take place. .torrent files would be ruled contributory infringement. e.g. If you host LotR:RotK-EE.torrent, and it is actually a valid tracker, you are knowingly assisting someone in the infringment of the copyright on the movie. And that specific file doesn't really have any non-infringement purposes.
Just going by the definition presented here
Even though you may not actually make software directly available on your site, providing assistance (or supporting a forum in which others may provide assistance) in locating unauthorized copies of software, links to download sites, server space, or support for sites that do the above may contributorily infringe.
To succeed on a contributory infringement claim, the copyright owner must show that the webmaster or service provider actually knew or should have known of the infringing activity.
I would guess that hosting specific
Of course, this probably just means thet we will see torrent sites moving onto freenet, or just have wholseale distribution if torrent files on P2P networks. Whether you agree with mass copyright infringement, or not, its happening and its not going to go away any time soon. Such activity will probably ebb and flow as new techniques are invented to enable it, and new laws/lawsuits are invented to stop it. In the end, such activity will probably just become yet another accepted fact of life, with those affected doing what they can to minimize the damage.
Necessity is the mother of invention.
Laziness is the father.
Stop spamming, SA moron.
"Using the same logic, a country where web sites are forbidden could press charges against you for having one."
Yes... this is the intent of the WTO.. be afraid.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
That would be Martin Niemöller.
"Stop failing the Turing test!" -- Dilbert
(+5, Bonged)
He probably still has them firewalled. #1 cause of bittrickle rage.
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I happened to take an "Entertainment Law" course, taught by a Harvard-educated laywer.
The entire concept of "intellectual property" is based on the idea of taking something that is immaterial and treating it as if it were material.
So you cannot argue that it "isn't theft" or that it's "not stealing" without undermining hundreds of years of legal precedent that constitutes the very core of copyright law. You just simply can't do it. Those arguments don't hold. By saying that it's "not stealing" because nothing physical is taken, you are simply pointing out something that has been recognized for centuries; you are simply pointing out the very reasons that copyright and intellectual property law exist in the first place.
But all is not lost... there should be an exemption. If you (or someone you are downloading from) are sharing files, free of charge, and those files are going to be used for personal, non-commercial uses, there should be an exemption. It is not necessary to undermine centuries of legal precedent concerning copyright in order to make sense of the dilemna we have before us.
I feel that it boils down to the simple physical reality that if something is for "personal" use, then that means that you have to consider that a human being has to eat, sleep, work. study, and do other things besides watch movies 24/7 - so any outstanding royalties that might be due simply cannot be greater than the amount of movies that any reasonable individual can watch in a certain period of time. That, in and of itself, is a significantly limiting factor, compared to, for instance, an individual who manufactures illegal disks and sells them on the black market, perhaps to thousands of individuals - the outstanding royalties in that situation are not limited by the amount of time one person can spend watching movies, but the amount of time thousands of people spend watching movies. Personal use implies that an individual is only watching one movie at a time - I suppose if you are an alien from outer space you can have a wall of monitors and be watching 25 different films at the same time, but realistically, it's not going to happen.
On top of that, in order to download with a torrent, you must also upload, so there's even another exemption there - there is no one single source that is providing multiple downloads to multiple individuals - you download, you upload as well - there is no analogy to a single individual manufacturing hundreds or thousands of black-market disks and profiting from them. It's more or less a 1:1 ratio, as far as each individual torrent user is concerned - you download, you also upload.
The best way to look at it is that there should be some kind of exemption; there should be some sort of compromise. Furthermore, services like Netflix should be promoted and the industry should see to it that they don't discourage innovation in this area by attempting to continue their stranglehold on the industry.
People need to recognize that technically, file sharing is copyright infringment and theft; but instead of using some kind of mathematical or logical "formula" to determine guilt or innocence, we need to use our common sense to come up with solutions that can create some types of limited exemptions. Personally, I think that bittorrent already has one possible exemption available to it, something that creates the greatest legal risk, something that the industries have attacked vociferously - that being the moral of "don't enable leeches". By not being a leech, by being required to upload when you download, you are adjusting the ratio, and preventing any one individual from providing multiple downloads to multiple individuals. It's no wonder that the industry is "encouraging" leeching - that way the content providers become centralized.
I understand that the original idea behind Netflix was to make the content available online, but the bandwidth costs made it unfeasible. We need to find a way to transition from limitations of physical media for rental
Holy shit, you cracked the case McGook!!
Obviously any site that engaged in rampant baseless banning of it's members would still be 50,000+ members trong almost ten years into it's existance. You sure nailed that one!!
*takes notes*
When did a jury find that bittorrent links are illegal in any way, shape , or form? If anyone knows by what priveledge that they are stealing from people and opressing speech, please let me know.
You're an idiot. There's a ban list and all of them link to the offending post. Nobody gets banned unless they're at fault.
SA was free. Banned idiots and just plain idiots were able to re-register accounts and create a lot of other gimmick accounts. The $10 fee is more of a deterrent than anything else. Without it, SA would have millions of idiots (like you) for members like fark does.
The article "MPAA Goes After More Bittorrent Site Operators" follows immediately after the article "China Closes 1,129 Web Sites".
Coincidence? Or not.
"We reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals." --The American President (20.1.2009)
A warez group we are not.
it's robbery.
Slashdot uses HTML for formatting. Try using less-than and greater-than symbols instead of brackets. So where you would use [i] and [/i] to italicize something on SA, here on Slashdot you use <i> and </i>.
But you guys knew that, right? What with your giant brains, and the preview button and all...
I heard Lowtax eats babies too.
Where do you guys get this shit?
I'm not denying that the MPAA holds/controls the copyrights for movies that are being pirated, but the fact is that they just don't hold the copyrights to .torrent files.
They claim that they do, of course, because, without doing so, they don't technically have any grounds to prosecute torrent distribution sites for copyright infringement.
From the man himself:
4. Generate a metainfo (.torrent) file using the complete file to be served and the URL of the tracker.
So, a .torrent file could be considered a derivative work of the file to be served, so to speak. Thus, it could be reasonable to believe that they have copyright on the .torrent. Or, as my feeble understanding of the law leads me to think, producing a .torrent (a potential derivative work) of a copyrighted file without the owner's authorization is illegal in and of itself.
-- listen to interesting music, support independent radio... WPRB
Before you flame me on my headline, I am talking about the .torrent files, not what can be downloaded from them.
.torrent file is just like a movie review. Both contain information about the movie, the only difference being that a computer reads the hashes and a human reads the review. This make be a bit of a loose analogy, but go with me here.
I feel a
You can't figure out the whole movie just by reading one review, just like a computer can't figure out the file based on what hashes it recieves from the tracker.
But with the same information, you can make sure you are going to see the right movie by reading a review, just as a computer can make sure you are downloading the right file by comparing hashes.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think any defense will stand for making torrents illegal. If they declare them illegal, they will have to make movie reviews, and everything else that even describes a movie illegal.
As long as you don't see it for what it is, but instead mix it up with images of bloodshed and destruction, your judgement is clouded.
I can't speak for anyone else, but although piracy in the true sense of the word does still exist (people board small boats slowly navigating narrow straits in order to steal the cash used to pay payroll and port fees, according to Wikipedia), and although the term now means illegally reproducing media ever since people used to broadcast music from boats just offshore where laws no longer applied, to me the word "pirate" will always conjure up imagery of insult sword fighting, eye patches, bandanas and wooden legs.
Arr, the stereotypin'!
Does it really cause that much harm to call people who break copyright pirates?
Why doesn't anyone go after child porn distributors? Because no one is losing money.
nothing.can.stop.me.now
Thanks to you guys, now I know that this is not true. All that ten dollar bill does is give the person who paid it a sense of superiority. I'll spend that ten bucks on beer instead, and stay here with the Slashdot trolls. Sure, they're assholes too, but at least they're not smug about it.
You are wrong it is only a crime if you profit from it.
The websites went down because they had donate buttons.
If you just let people copy stuff (the leecher iniates the copying - the seeder just has the file available) - it is NOT a crime.
Neither is it a crime to download something it is evaluation - fair use, no problem.
Piracy is making money from selling someone elses work just giving it away is NOT a crime, it is not wrong. It is sharing.
Copyright is wrong it is theft from the Public Domain.
...but then I saw that these guys were using bandwidth to distribute Garfield: The Movie.
For that, I say "Hang the fuckers. Hang 'em high."
Then find the people that actually downloaded it and hang them, too.
s'wut i sed.
Just the fact that you refered to the RIAA's "jurisdiction", as if they're a government body or law enforcement agency, show's how screwed up american government is.
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 04:14:46 -0100 (GMT)
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004, Peter Pehrson - enya.com wrote:
Looks like the reply was written two days BEFORE the email was received? Or somebody has their computer date off by a couple of days....
Even if a website does not distribute the copyrighted work itself, one who with knowledge of the infringing activity, induces, causes or materially contributes to the infringing conduct of another party may be held liable for contributory infringement. A&M Records, Inc. v. Napster, Inc., 239 F.3d 1004, 1020-22 (9th Cir. 2001).
Well, why don't we take this case to its logical limits:
Computer chip manufacturers must know or have reason to know that their processors are used to compress and encode digital music and movie files. Therefore, they are contributing to copyright infringement by providing the means to create copies.
Similarly, RAM manufacturers know or should know that everything processed through the computer is temporarily, at least, fixed in RAM. Even intermediate copying, so long as it is fixed for longer than a transient period, is a copy. Therefore, RAM manufacturers are also contributing to the creation of infringing copies.
While we're on the subject, hard drive manufacturers should be sued too because they know their products promote the increasing storage of these large, infringing files.
If it weren't for the CD- and DVD-ROMs, we'd never be able to read the media to begin with, let alone copy it. They must go as well, especially those pesky Lite-Ons that ignore copy protection schemes.
Printers have to go as well. I'm pretty certain Epson and HP know that they are used to print copies of other's works.
Monitors induce others to engage in unauthorized public displays of copyrighted works. Sue their manufacturers too.
The phone and cable lines induce us to send these infringing files to one another, so let's get rid of those as well.
You have to go after router manufacturers too because without those, infringing packets wouldn't know where they are supposed to go.
Don't forget the Internet, which is just a cesspool of copyright infringement. It's whole purpose is to facilitate copying and dissemination of information. Just address that letter to Al Gore, he did it.
Fuck you.
one could design a meta-indexer site (possibly running on freenet?) that indexes indexing sites? Using such a scheme, the primary indexing sites could be created and destroyed on the fly. For example, when it gets too popular (maybe when it serves X amount of torrents), site A sends all its torrents to a decentralized torrent database and automatically terminates. Sites B and C immediately emerge and request Y amount of torrents from the database.
... Oh, wait...
This process continues, with the primary, disposable indexing sites rising and falling as the need arises with meta-indexer site coordinating the whole show. New torrents would enter the system through one of the primary indexers and be uploaded to the database for distribution when that indexer goes down.
This would achieve the nice feature of having torrents publicly available but not so available that the **AA gets wise and sic their legal minions on them. Additionally, since the system provides for the inevitable (indexers dying), it would be much more robust and nearly impossible to shut down.
Theoretically, the **AA could also monitor the meta-indexer, but since the primary indexers could rise and fall within hours, it would be infeasible to try to attack them all, and they cannot shut down the primary indexer.
Just an idea...
Stupidity is inversely proportional to idiocy...
Sure, your friend wants to know. Tell your friend not to worry, pr0n will always be available, else the geek community would go nuts.
"Lawyers may know the law but do they know the technology? "
Call up the EFF, and find out.
> So splitting hairs with dictionary entriesmight make you feel good. But it isn't going to convince any judges, anyone leaning toward the other side, or bring any significant numbers of fence-sitters around to your position. Instead it makes you look like you're disconnected from economic reality, making it counter-productive.
Legal terms are pedantic. Stealing intellectual property is incorrect. Devaluing intellectual property may be correct according to your definition, but it's not stealing. Even with a devalued intellectual property, it still has some value. Stealing deprives 100% of value from the owner of the object for whatever it is worth to the owner at fair market value and/or sentimental value.
I've heard people like Haing Ngor are willing to die for being deprived of sentimental value from an object, but I haven't heard of anyone willing to die for their intellectual property being partially taken.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/79289.stm
Tom (822) did say copyright infringement is illegal... If you think stealing 1 CD is worth a $250000 fine and some jail time versus "partially taking" 1 song, then your argument for a transient copyright law is partially meaningless.
They will sue at whatever level necessary. I think the only true answer is to go to systems where nothing goes directly from sender to reciever but trough an unknowing intermediary, the way that MUTE does. Sure it uses a lot more traffic, but the ever increasing technology will help with this problem. The **AA is simply driving the development of these technologies, they cannot win.
"Do they even know what a .torrent is? Someone should inform these lawyers that their clients don't, actually, own what they're claiming to own."
Since we're noting things. Note that you're depending on the law "There's probably some felony charge associated with that sort of behavior." to secure some kind of win. While we see "/." posts decrying lawyers, and the legal system when it keeps them from illegally obtaining material.
Funny how you like the system when it's in your favour, while when it's against you, you hate it with a passion.
So then, what if my dvd gets stepped on? Then I can't watch my movie anymore. I could then go onto one of these sites and download the movie, which I already own the rights to watch, and then make a personal use copy with a dvd-r.
It seems to me that this is legal. If, therefore, the content of the site (torrents) can be used legally, how can the site be held responsible for illegal use?
Isn't that like holding a rental place responsible for people copying their movies, a gun store for armed robbery, or a car dealership for illegal drag racing?
US box office sales are predicted to break records this year. I guess with all this extra money, they can afford to go after anyone who may prevent them from setting another record next year.
How bout a torrent of a directory containing a rar file containing a movie?
.rar file would be 100% diffrent from the movie. derivative work or not. and since you created it. you would hold the copyright on that rar file.
At no time did bit torrent ever "touch" the movie. How can it still be a derivative work?
And really. the
Anyone who cant make bit torrent work is...
a) behind a router you have no clue how to configure.
b) behind a firewall you have no clue how to configure.
c) just stupid.
It seems that the majority of people seem to agree with the current state of our copyright laws, and they think that the actions of the **AA is just, yet damn near everyone has commited copyright infringement at some point, and those that haven't surely have freinds or family that have. So why aren't more people turning themselves and others in and paying their $10,000 fines so that copyright holders can recoup their losses? Personally, I have always felt that those in glass houses should not throw stones, but the 'Holier than thou' group seems to think that breaking the law is okay so long as you do not get caught.
Damn, talk about an insensitive clod....
>I'm not denying that the MPAA holds/controls the copyrights for movies that are being pirated, but the fact is that they just don't hold the copyrights to .torrent files.
>They claim that they do, of course, because, without doing so, they don't technically have any grounds to prosecute torrent distribution sites for copyright infringement.
It hardly matters. The only person who could dispute the copyright of the torrent file is the person who created the torrent, and it's pretty obvious what would happen to that person if he stepped up to dispute their claim.
As an AC pointed out elsewhere in this thread, a hash of a movie is as "derivative" a work as the page count of a book, or the weight of a statue.
It may uniquely identify the original work, but it communicates none of the original information within that work. If a one-way hash is used, it can actually be mathematically demonstrated that the hash alone cannot be used to recover the original content.
That's the whole problem here. The people that host torrents are legally in the right, but it doesn't seem to matter because the MPAA has more laywers.
Most normal people won't even bother to look for kiddy porn on the p2p. If they found any, I'm sure they'll raise a stink about it. Therefore, only the sickos will bother and somehow, I don't think they'll get all bothered over it. Therein lies the problem.
Kaseijin> It's a mathematical transformation of the initial work.
Kaseijin> What distinguishes it from a sample processed beyond recognition?
Indeed.
I hereby direct your attention at the following mathematical transformations:Now, I admit that these hash functions are not the best ones to choose from, due to a higher than average percentage of collisions, but that is beside the point -- a crappy hash function is still a hash function.
That said, I submit that every instance of the numbers "1" and "0" and any combination thereof (in particular, binary code) is an application of the hash functions above to copyrighted material, child pornography, terrorist activity or any other type of illegal content.
Possession and distribution of such data is therefore criminal.
God bless America!
RIAA & MPAA: You're going down my friend, along with the rest of them stinky pirate skum.
- Voice of Ambience -
and im not telling which one it is
hint: it has torrent in the name.
Why should the parent be modded down? Slashdot moderators do not exist to enforce Lowtax's silly little rules.
Oh, but mjh49746, piracy costs consumers more by paying higher prices and by having to impose copy controls on them.
Bullshit! They can set any arbitrary price they want and make up any reason that they want, so don't feed me the WIPO line. Drop the price, treat your customers with respect, and go after the REAL pirates and piracy will drop. Raise the price, treat your customers with contempt, and sue everyone in sight and piracy will only get worse as well as them having to deal with more angry people like me.
You're right. Try wondershaper and play a bit with the settings. It really works well!
WE DON'T NEED NO BLOG CONTROL.
What
Everyone I know with a disposable income less then 30,000GBP owns something pirated, has pirated something or sells pirated goods.
I don't know that many people with >30kGBP [they tend to go to dinner parties ow something] but a lot of them download from the Internet.
So, on my estimates (the adv income being about 25kGBP) more than half the population on the UK breaks copyright laws.
I'd like to see someone product figures that go against this because I don't believe that they can.
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
>That's the whole problem here. The people that host torrents are legally in the right, but it doesn't seem to matter because the MPAA has more laywers.
Feh, you're just kidding yourself. There has always been "aiding and abetting X", "vicarious infringment", "conspiracy to commit X", and similar legal principles with which to nail the torrent hosters. It was just a matter of time before the hammer came down.
o rly?
Every year with inflation, or currency trade markets, your dollars in your wallet and bank are devalued.
That is partial THEFT, because really, you have less purchasing power, ie, you really buy less for what you have. Now a small decrease of 4-7% might be not too noticeable for one year, but do it continously and after 20 years, you have devalued by 80%+. Now that is DAMN stealling in my book and its 100% legal because the smart govt/financial people KNOW that things like this are too hard to comprehend for the average dumbo out there who hates maths.
Please file a theft report with the police, "err LEO, the govt stole 20% of my money over the last 3 years, please arrest the govt bankers."
Just as legit as MPAA suing downloaders for 'potential theft', the inflation theft is more REAL and we are all slaves to it.
If the govt cant be fair to its citizens, then I do not respect the govt or its laws that dont agree with me.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
Please don't use the word "retarded" to mean stupid. That's just crazy.
That is all.
What I hated was minimum transfer speeds of 5kbs or 15 kbs , if you dropped for one second below that rate, then your cut off, totally utter crap code coded by utterly useless C grad drop outs. Any smart person would add a average over last 30minutes value, and if it drops below 10% of the MARK for more than 10 minutes.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
I don't think it's been tested, but I think SCOTUS would say, NO, congress does not have to make law to legalize a treaty, to enter into a treaty their must be a 2/3rds majority and presidential approval beforehand.... they are AUTOMATICALLY equivelant to the constitution in degree of enforcement..
Clause 2: This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
every day http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Random
That's because you couldn't figure out how to fix your configuration, something everybody seems to do, hurting those who are properly configured.
Please don't use the word "crazy" to mean wrong, incorrect, or inaccurate. That's just poorly formulated imprecise communication.
Already done.
I've heard of a few distributed tracker projects, which I don't want to name here because this kind of suprnova thing will happen again. Suffice to say the P2P technology satisfies a huge need, and it will only get harder to stop, and easier to use. We all know that "information wants to be free", or whatever accurate, yet cliche phrase, you want to say.
WASTE was cool, though it's sad that Frankel had to go and get fired from his gig, and it is too complex to spread like Bit Torrent has.
On a side note, the MPAA is a lame duck dead organization, and so is the RIAA. Artists make a lot of their money from touring, and movie stars are beginning to leverage themselves across industries. Soon, we won't have to deal with this crap.
The internet could be the greatest tool ever, if the initial hurdle of copyright could be overcome. But I don't need to tell people here that.
What about using something like freenet for this?
I've been wondering this as well. Freenet might only be as fast as one would get with a dial-up connection, but that's fast enough for a text only site such as a torrent list. Sure, it'd lack some of the modern nicities, but not getting sued for running it, and not having to pay hosting fees, would seem a nice payoff.
Everything will be taken away from you.
Plus they love abusing and exploiting the stuff whenever they Spam/DDos places.
And don't you guys deny it, SA goes out of their way to find people, write up a long "humorous" flame to inspire and work up the SA "troops," and then give their email/forums/im/etc just so that you can spam the hell out of them. When ever directly addressed about how they encourage this, the sites runners weasel around it, and yet they still present the links in a "nudge nudge wink wink, say no more" kind of way.
People claim they ban those on the forum who do this, but you have to give it to them that none of them are stupid enough to do it under their name. They claim no responsibility about those SA readers they encouraged to spam/DDos. I know one recent rant piece that got featured on several sites(including slashdot) encouraging their readers to spam the hell out of one place because they couldn't get their way.
I was a visitor of the place they attacked, and lets say things didn't work out as SA had planned. At least it is nice to know that sometimes you pick a target that is bigger then you, and you get the slap down you disserve.
These dumb shits. go ahead sue your customers. Waste the common resources on lawsuits.
It may sound trite, but it's simply inevitable:
Information wants to be free. People will make it so. Technology will enable them.
They more deep pockets attack individuals, the more technology will enable distributed information sharing. When is someone going to write a simple mysql torrent database that rsyncs with peers. The next generation of p2p will include completely distributed search. Try and sue everyone you morons.
These people are so closed minded it's astounding... their business model is OVER. wake up, play ball with the rest of us. If they would simply realize that *can not control* distribution any longer, we would all be better off.
Clousseau: That man is crazy!
Doctor: We don't use that word around here.
Clousseau: What word do you use?
Doctor: Now, now.
Clousseau: Well, he is very now, now. I can assure you that.
I run a tracker. There is no way for me to know what goes on in the tracker. I used it to track files for JPL's Maestro project. The torrents for Maestro are all located on my web server.
.torrents that point to your own tracker, than I see a problem, but with my server, I don't see anyway to be convicted.
.torrents are so small, it can handle), then it seems the *AAs would be powerless to stop it.
However, the only things I know are being hosted there are things I put there myself. There are things being hosted, but I have no way to know what they are. I can see occasional spikes in my download graphs, and it makes me wonder what they are, but I can't possibly know. All I see are IPs and hashes. If someone where hosting illegal torrents on my tracker, I don't see anything I can do about it or anyway I could be held responsible (since I have no knowledge of what is being tracked and no way (to my knowledge) to stop it). The tracker runs in the background on my server, I don't touch it for weeks or months and yet it can help move terabytes of data that I know nothing about.
However, if you hosted a torrent site that posted
So here is the thing, if people made torrents with random trackers they found on the internet (by, for example, a Google Search) and posted them on Freenet (which would be okay since
Andrew
what
5 manbabies
well duh everyone knew that sheesh
1) Someone, perhaps. Not enough someones to make up a paycheck.
2) Probably. The number of people who keep the software on their computer is going to be much lower than the number of people who pirate it in the first place, though.
And a lot us seen this quote done so many times to justify so many things it has lost its meaning.
Seriously, here you go comparing your "right" to free entertainment at the expense of others to political beliefs. Maybe some of us "unwashed masses" actually respect the works of others, respect how they wish to distribute & charge for their works.
Why don't you give a shit and not download the stuff, you are in no way entitled to it! If you think you are, why not move to some "free" country that doesn't respect intellectual property laws. Then again, maybe if you get your way things can go the route where companies/artists etc all don't produce anything worthwhile because it isn't worth the effort if there is no financial incentive, and no one is going to pay to support it.
Don't you just love how they are always the ones to make these demands?
"Napster when away, you people MUST make a decentralized network!"
"These decentralized networks are too slow, you people MUST make them FASTER!!"
"OH NO, they found out about decentralized P2P, you people MUST add encryption NOW!!!"
"WHAAAAAAAAAAH, these networks are too slow, you people MUST make them faster!!11one"
There are more similar demands I have seen, but lets leave it at that.
Seriously, every time the RIAA/MPAA/BSA/etc make any progress in taking care of those who are illegally downloading stuff, some "experts" chime in making similar demands. All this stuff does is giving more creditable proof to the RIAA/etc that P2P is a threat, these networks are obviously being designed & used to illegally swap movies/songs/software/etc, P2P users are doing what ever they can to avoid the consequences of their actions, and the RIAA/etc all must do something about it.
im going to start a protest group at my school.
they are a bunch of high schoolers who live to rip music off their friends, so i dont think they'll have a problem with fighting the organization that wants to take everything away from them.but i dont know how to start. any advice? i dont even think my tecchies know what the MPAA is _
help...
Someone should start a non MPAA BitTorrent site. I have downloaded various interesting films from Suprnova which I probably couldn't go into Blockbuster and rent. The Unauthorized Biography of Dick Cheney and the Annabelle Chong story are a couple of examples.
You have to build your own network, and it has to have moderately strong anonymity. Nothing else will work.
Fortunately, you can build that network on top of the existing insecure, tracable internet. freenet/tor/MUTE are incubators for the next generation of fully anonymous, high performance p2p. It's a matter of time until one good coder puts all the pieces together.
And then there's WiFi p2p, which is going to be unbelievable once we all have nodes in our cars, backpacks, etc.
Nail, meet MPAA coffin. Slashdot, meet nail.
Before I go on holidays. I'm going to stick this back here, were only the determined will see it.
There's one thing that's never brought up in these discussions when discussing pirates. The word is "trust". Well what do you mean? Trust as in anyone with something important, or sensitive can trust you. Pirates (of all kinds, and scales) have shown that they are more than willing to be flexible when it comes to ethics. Now imagine that a "former" pirate has just applied for a security clearance, working with sensitive information. Can you trust someone who bends so easily for "A MUSIC OR MOVIE DISC (let alone the other things that are pirated daily)". Enemy governments would have a field day with such an individual. What about private businesses? Would you trust your intellectual property (Trade Secrets, Copyright, Patents, key to the executive washroom?*) with such individuals? Charities aren't any safer, and trust is a more important commodity with them than money.
And of course lets keep in mind that piracy can be a gateway crime to bigger and badder acts. How so? Well, do you see any kind of "limits" for someone who's so willing to flaunt social laws. How many crimminals have started out torturing pets? Would you trust a pirate in your accounting department? What happens if he/she gets in difficult financial times? For the average joe, the only thing that keeps them from "not doing it" is that they have firm beliefs (usually raised on) about "not doing it." The pirate unlike joe however has already demonstrated flexible ethics.
So basically what it comes down to is that pirates are sacrificing their future amoungst society for A MOVIE OR MUSIC DISC. Talk about losing so much for so little.
*That's not a joke. Can you trust them with physical security too?
I resent that!
Is Capitalism Good for the Poor?
Time to make a stand, Public Enemy #1:
Read the letter and you'll see who some of the lawyers doing this are. Some slashdotters may feel its time for some payback?? Sign them up for a bunch of "Free" offers.
In this case Matthew Oppenheim is the dick who sent the letter.
Off of his law firm's site:
During the six years that Mr. Oppenheim was at the **RIAA** from 1998-2004, he oversaw a wide range of legal, strategic and technology matters...
I'm hoping he chokes on all that money he's been making out of litagation!
http://www.jenner.com/people/bio.asp?id=1258
"RIAA President Cary Sherman cautioned the U.S. Senate that Kazaa could be a tool for adults to lure children into having sex."
Might as well outlaw the internet itself, then; as well as telephones, public parks, and candy stores.
[Posting on this topic, I should specifically point out that my sig is a joke I got from Last Comic Standing.]
Thanks to the War on Drugs, it's easier to buy meth than it is to buy cold medicine!
So now it's OK to deprive someone of part of their rightful income by infringing their copyright, as long as it's not all of it? Perhaps it's wrong to keep their rent from them, but the money for their daughter's Christmas present doesn't matter?
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
and where stands the legit use of it?
i had,
but beaware many torrents (or not a big part of all) get listed on google
google spidering doesnt reach every hole
Most of them already do produce crap which is why noone wants to pay for stuff only to find out it is crap and they wasted their money.
never here
;)
.ptland to all bt/azuzu community everywhere
i get some probs with jaba 1.5 though but its a pII200 mhz 1gb ram and solely 900GB of space... but mainly, its some locks of the azuzu app suite when the numofcon is huge (+20 torz)
not the sys.. last uptime was 38 days
slackware off course
but dyndns+ssh+vnc works wonders since i can keep a falcon eye everywhere i go, even at work and restart/kill da process
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No, but they can make you want something by lying to you. In the end, if you purchase the product, does it matter whether they tricked you into buying it or "made" you?
Who said anything about depriving? Do you think that by creating something, and me using it, you're somehow entitled to full compensation? The law does not agree (see anything related to selling used software).
This whole subthread is about that. Please go and read the original posts again.
That depends what you mean by "full compensation". Do you mean "fair compensation", in the sense that if others benefit from my work then I am entitled to proportionate compensation in return? If so, then morally yes. Anything else disadvantages the person actually creating the work in favour of the free-loader, which is not in the interests of society.
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
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Exactly what sanctions are they talking about? Last I checked:
1) copyright infringment cases were civil, not criminal cases
2) The MPAA was not a government
So, exactly how can a corporation levy "sanctions" against a person for "destroying" evidence in a civil case? What are they going to do, blockade his house?
Isn't this just an empty threat? Or is it pure stupidity? Isn't this just Police Chief Wiggum telling Homer to bring that evidence to court, or they have no case?
Seriously, wtf are they talking about?
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The MPAA (over 50% owned my non-american Jap companies) is insane. The MPAA is working against technology and freedom which cannot be allowed. In the end they will lose. They(big monopolistic film) represents a very small tiny fraction of the US economy and yet they are asking for measures which will stop freedom for everyone else. We need to have digital theatres with digital projectors we need to stop allowing the MPAA companies to control film distribution. If it takes it we need to boycott their products entirely. Small filmmakers have taken the lions share of film awards because their product is better in every way. We need to break up news monopolies and cable monopolies too. We need to so we can have an explosion of choice in a low-priced super competitive free market.
The MPAA (over 50% owned my non-american Jap companies) is insane. The MPAA is working against technology and freedom which cannot be allowed. In the end they will lose. They(big monopolistic film) represents a very small tiny fraction of the US economy and yet they are asking for measures which will stop freedom for everyone else. We need to have digital theatres with digital projectors we need to stop allowing the MPAA companies to control film distribution. If it takes it we need to boycott their products entirely. Small filmmakers have taken the lions share of film awards because their product is better in every way. We need to break up news monopolies and cable monopolies too. We need to so we can have an explosion of choice in a low-priced super competitive free market.
Is something I really don't believe in. I created a lot of poetry, prose, music, scientific research, legal research and computer programs/software, and I believe that their *creation* should generate revenue, not their *repetition*.
So, I don't use the forementioned word. I use the "right" words: copyright infringement. Yes, I would be insulted if someone made money out of my songs/poetry/other stuff (not likely) but NOT to the point of having such person imprisoned for a substantial term (here in Brasil, 2 to 6 years IIRC). I would seek -- maybe -- civil legal remedies and compensation/damages, nothing else. But I am not -- and you probably knew that -- Madonna nor Eminem. In one angle, my poetry and songs are better -- at least in MY opinion, and that's what counts to me. In another, they make millions of dollars by propagandizing their pop culture and inciting its repetition to death. If they (unlikely) do this to some of my work and make a lot of money, hey, it's my work, my copy-rights, my money. But I wouldn't put them in jail for that.
OTOH, I would put people behind bars for plundering boats, killing people and robbing property -- and THAT is piracy.
It's better to be the foot on the boot than the face on the pavement. ~~ tkx Kadin2048
So what if I own this work, and want a compressed version and don't want to take the time to do it myself?
Then perhaps the MPAA should prosecute on charges such as those? The fact is, they're prosecuting for copyright infringement, while the defendants have not infringed upon any copyright. The MPAA is just wrong here. That point really shouldn't even be open to argument.
dongz lol, fuck you, dongz hehehehe
it should be modded down because you are a faggot
I think when you say disserve you mean deserve.
I'm pretty sure they spam sites that are either furry or pedophilia. Glad to know you're a visitor of those wonderful sites.
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O jumento e o cavalo
...
Eles nunca andam só
Quando sai pra passear
Levam a eguinha Pocotó
Pocotó, Pocotó, Pocotó,
minha eguinha Pocotó
(something like:
The mule and the horse
They do never walk alone
When they goes for a ride [SIC]
They take the Clap-a-clap mare
Clap-a-clap, Clap-a-clap, Clap-a-clap,
my litlle Clap-a-clap mare
)
And THIS was one of the most copyright infringed things. I do (and a lot -- but not millions -- of people) think anything I wrote when I was 14 is better poetry than that.
a. I never said I was alone in my appreciation for my poetry/prose/music nor that I was alone in my disgust for the cream of the Pop. do YOU like Britney, Justin, etc songs?
b. this takes me to the next item: nowadays, BAD poetry is being rewarded, not the good one. REALLY BAD poetry (see above) is what you are describing as "a more elevated activity"
It's better to be the foot on the boot than the face on the pavement. ~~ tkx Kadin2048