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'Metal Gear' Symbian OS Trojan Disables Anti-Virus

Omniscientist writes "Just when you thought your Series 60 smartphones were safe, a trojan has surfaced with a two-pronged attack that also in turn disables any anti-virus protection available. Infosyncworld has news about a trojan masquerading itself as a port for the Metal Gear game that disables all anti-virus software on the phone and other necessary utilities like file managers. Also, it affects other phones nearby it via Bluetooth. This trojan has been dubbed 'Metal Gear.a,' quite aptly."

197 comments

  1. Oh Great.. by Renraku · · Score: 5, Funny

    So now I need tin foil for my cell phone, too.

    Well, I don't really have a cell phone, but if I did..I'd need tin foil for it.

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    1. Re:Oh Great.. by UWC · · Score: 1

      If tinfoil around the phone reduces its Bluetooth sensitivity, then yeah, a tinfoil hat just might help. And here I am with a 3660. Bluetooth and Symbian!

      As I've not used the BT capabilities at all, does anyone know if I have to activate the BT on the phone, or is it in some sort of listen mode by default? And if so, is there a way to disable it until I actually need to use it?

    2. Re:Oh Great.. by snorklewacker · · Score: 5, Informative

      Bluetooth is normally off by default. Even if it's on, it's going to prompt you multiple times if an unknown device tries to connect -- once to establish the connection, again to receive anything, then you have to explicitly open the attachment and go through yet another warning about installing software. Spreading via bluetooth is probably more effective via trusted paired devices. my gf and I have 6600's and we have them paired so we can share pictures more or less instantly. So if for some reason one of our phones got this worm, then it would transmit to the other phone pretty much silently -- still wouldn't auto-install though.

      In other words, if you have a brain, you're safe. Watch out for bluesnarf attacks though, which can read all your data off your phone if you have an older bluetooth stack.

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    3. Re:Oh Great.. by UWC · · Score: 1

      Ah, much obliged for the info.

      On a related note, I need to get a Bluetooth USB dongle for my computer. Transferring things to my laptop over IR is so slow and always feels needlessly precarious.

    4. Re:Oh Great.. by mytec · · Score: 1

      In other words, if you have a brain, you're safe...

      We, the masses, have been doing just fine without one of those, thank you very much. We obviously welcome our virus writing overlords.

    5. Re:Oh Great.. by Reignking · · Score: 1

      Does the virus use the same mistranslations into English?

      I feel asleep!

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    6. Re:Oh Great.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you mean "obliviously welcome"?

    7. Re:Oh Great.. by mytec · · Score: 1

      ;-) In hindsight, yeah I do.

    8. Re:Oh Great.. by ingsocsoc · · Score: 1

      Errr... You'd wish it was like that. Many phones don't have this much security (most Nokia, some Sony Erricson, and more)

    9. Re:Oh Great.. by snorklewacker · · Score: 1

      > Errr... You'd wish it was like that. Many phones don't have this much security (most Nokia, some Sony Erricson, and more)

      I'm describing my Nokia 6600 actually, but the security is part of Symbian, so anyone running that release is going to have similar prompts. No doubt there may be vulnerabilities that may bypass one or more security layers, but it seems somewhat unlikely to get past them all, at least for now. I do feel somewhat sorry for folks running PocketPC phones though...

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  2. Sweet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's awesome, but I wish these guys would put their brainpower and idle time towards something more productive, like OSS software development.

  3. Glad I have a dumb phone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nokia 5190 pwnz joo.

    1. Re:Glad I have a dumb phone... by Cobron · · Score: 1

      " Nokia 5190 pwnz joo."
      Yes, but its word suggestions suck.

  4. But really by Icarus1919 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    But really, why would anyone be an all-terrain magnetic rail-gun ballistic missile nuclear launch system for their cell phone anyway?

    1. Re:But really by Zorilla · · Score: 1

      I am the shotgunner! Nobody has ever gotten me off their cell phone!

      ...and now the phone have started to vibrate...

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  5. more! by Prophet+of+Nixon · · Score: 4, Funny

    I just want an unstoppable cell-phone virus that permanently disables ringing... then I could cope with the things being about.

    1. Re:more! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would prefer one that forced the phone to explode in the hands of women and girls who talk about crap loudly. For some reason men and boys don't talk loudly on the phone (or if they do, not on the buses and trains that I travel on).

  6. I hear its AMAZING... by jx100 · · Score: 1, Funny

    ..when the purple-stuffed webworm in the flap jaw space with the tuning fork does a RAW BLINK on hairi kairi ROCK!!!

    I NEED SCISSORS!

    61!!!

    1. Re: I hear its AMAZING... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that the ending to the new game? It makes more sense than MGS 2's!

      Then again, so does this.

    2. Re: I hear its AMAZING... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's an apt quote from MGS2 (the speech is crazy because the speaker has been infected by a computer virus). It's hardly flamebait, although it's not all that funny either.

    3. Re: I hear its AMAZING... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wake up mods!

      This is a quote from Metal Gear Solid 2, when the supercomputer (Arsenal Gear) near the end of the game begins to break down due to a virus.

    4. Re: I hear its AMAZING... by Raijin+Z · · Score: 1

      Genius is often misunderstood if not feared. Also, the phone have started to ring.

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    5. Re: I hear its AMAZING... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this is from metal gear solid 2. don't mod down parent

    6. Re: I hear its AMAZING... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Zzz! I feel asleep!

    7. Re: I hear its AMAZING... by Luigi30 · · Score: 1

      I feel asleep !!

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  7. All I have to say by tomstdenis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    This is what you get for making a phone "more than a phone".

    Well that and price gouging. For example, a "quad-band GSM" phone often cells for $300 more than the average dual-band. However, going quad-band is mostly a small change in terms of the radio/hardware as it's just off by 50Mhz [e.g. the SWR won't be that high]. ... so how do they justify the hike? Oh they add in Java, cameras, ring tones, etc... You want a toy? Buy a gameboy. A phone should be phone.

    Hahahahahahaha

    Tom

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    1. Re:All I have to say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yea, your website says it all "imaluser.com'....

    2. Re:All I have to say by Enigma_Man · · Score: 1

      I concur :) My "very hot brick" phone is perfect.

      -Jesse

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    3. Re:All I have to say by tomstdenis · · Score: 0

      Hey newbie-troll, do some research first...

      tombox ~ # whois iamaluser.com

      Whois Server Version 1.3

      Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
      with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
      for detailed information.

      No match for "IAMALUSER.COM".

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    4. Re:All I have to say by timmyf2371 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      You want a calculator? Buy a calculator.
      You want a text editor? Buy a dedicated word processor.
      You want to watch DVDs or other media? Buy a DVD player.
      You want to send an e-mail? Buy a dedicated e-mailer.

      So, based upon your way of thinking I'm assuming your above post was made via a WebTV or similar dedicated Internet-only terminal, right?

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    5. Re:All I have to say by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 1
      This is what you get for making a phone "more than a phone".

      Reminds me of a story: Two years ago, the Sprint salesmean was trying to sell me the latest Sanyo. This kid (probably still in college), went on and on about the cool features of ringtones and web access. Then, he said, that I "...could even take a picture of someone with the phone and link that picture to that persons phone number". In short, everytime said person called me, their picture would pop up on my phone.

      I asked him "Instead of doing that, couldn't I simply recognize the phone number when it showed up on the screen?" He didn't know what to say.

      The sad thing is, I ended up buying that phone anyway. I saw what my other choices were and the other four phones were ugly-looking. So, I guess I do have some vanity with my phone.

    6. Re:All I have to say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, that may be true.

      However, "whois imaluser.com" (which is how you spell it in your profile), does turn up a hit...

    7. Re:All I have to say by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      That's silly...a computer is a general purpose device that's more or less stationary and is where all the "real work" gets done. A cell phone by its nature is a dedicated telephone (hence the word "phone" in "cell phone") and should just have features revolving around communications (ie telephone, speed dial, caller id and yes, maybe even email).

      It seems to me that if your telephone needs an anti-virus program (this is the first time I've even heard of such a thing), then your phone is unnecessarily complicated.

    8. Re:All I have to say by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 1
      However, "whois imaluser.com" (which is how you spell it in your profile), does turn up a hit...

      Yes, and, thanks to the AC's complaints about his name, I clicked on his link. Of course, since I am at work right now, that probably wasn't the smartest thing to do.

      I'll just sit at my desk and wait for the network guys to show up, since I am sure that someone will figure out what I just clicked on.

    9. Re:All I have to say by DrEldarion · · Score: 1

      Yes!

      I, for one, am willing to give up features in order to have a cheaper, smaller phone. It's too bad they don't sell the Siemens SL56 anymore, it's pretty much perfect.

    10. Re:All I have to say by peragrin · · Score: 1

      Were do you get your price information?

      I just picked up the motorola v551 quad band GSM with built in video capture and playback, Bluetooth, etc, etc.

      If I actually get the rebate I will have spent $50, if i don't I will have spent $100.

      If I bought it on the street it's $150.

      Where is the $300 more?? are they paying you to take the cheap phones now?

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    11. Re:All I have to say by Evil+Butters · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up!

      If you need a cell phone that can somewhat subsitute as a handheld PC, you're going to get viruses!

      (I had mod points, but they gave them to me on Friday afternoon. I only work weekdays -- you figure it out!)

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    12. Re:All I have to say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail /-/wireless/B0000WZWSI

    13. Re:All I have to say by waffleman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No. Although I currently use a no-feature cellphone, and am not interested in a camera-java-game phone, I still strongly disagree with you. Just because a current set of add-ons to the basic cell phone are stupid doesn't mean some add-ons wouldn't be useful.

      For example, I could see real use for things like PIM functionality backed by a remote server (PIM functionality alone is bad if the phone can die/break/be misplaced/stolen etc.), a couple gig of onboard flash data storage, speech to text to speech processing, good 1 or 2 button emergency calling with automatic location, and so on. It's actually not too hard to blue-sky dream up things that you might really want in a portable computing device, besides being able to phone people on it.

      I think that cell phone manufacturers have had a real lack of vision as to what they could build so far. Forget the whole remote services area, which for some bizarre reason just hasn't gone anywhere, cell phones could be a great starting point for the next generation computing device. If I could have a portable cell phone/computer that I could plug into a terminal and have it co-operate with servers on the net, you bet I would buy it in a heartbeat. Yes, security would be a major issue, but that is a design/implementation problem, not an issue of vision.

    14. Re:All I have to say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You want a toy? Buy a gameboy. A phone should be phone.

      Speak for yourself. The extra functions of my phone are useful to me, and there's no way I want to simply chop it in two and carry two devices around.

      Yes, the more complex a device gets, the easier it is to sneak something nasty onto it. But if that is your primary factor in deciding what devices to buy, I hope you posted your comment from a WebTV.

    15. Re:All I have to say by Erik+Hollensbe · · Score: 1

      I was coming to post the same thing.

      Seriously folks, it's a phone. If you want a computer, there are tons of other options that will do everything you need, and not have this problem.

    16. Re:All I have to say by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      Phones can get too small though. Many of the phones now are so short they barely reach from my ear to my mouth. No wonder people have to yell into the things!

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    17. Re:All I have to say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Gameboy isn't a toy you isensitive clod!!!

      You can make a music concert with them!

    18. Re:All I have to say by plover · · Score: 1
      I wasn't particularily interested in the camera / Java aspects of owning a phone, but I was insistent that I get Bluetooth on it so I could use it as a network gateway. I already owned a Tungsten T, so I had all the handheld computing power I needed in a comfortable form factor.

      Unfortunately, Bluetooth was only an option on multi-function phones. I ended up getting an S-E T637, which includes a camera, Java, etc. At least the phone's form factor is still small enough that it's not uncomfortable to wear.

      I use SMS messaging frequently. I've played a little bit with the camera, and given it a few MIDI files for ringtones, but haven't used the games or other features much. I've never used the calendar, timer or calculator, for example (didn't really know or care if it had those things.) I do find that I use the WAP browser fairly frequently, but mostly for quick checks to my weather station. For any "real" portable browsing, I pull out the Tungsten. Basically, I would have been much happier with a quad-band that included Bluetooth but omitted the camera and the power-sucking color screen.

      Different form factors for different jobs. A phone needs to be "phone-sized", and that requirement is completely different for a palmtop computer, which needs to be be "palm-sized." I used to think I wanted both in one device, but a phone makes a tiny, lousy palmtop, and a palmtop makes a huge, clunky phone. I carry both.

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    19. Re:All I have to say by yowi · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of a visit to 'Rilpleys Believe it or not'.
      Every one of the earlier inventions (flying cars, candy makers, etc.) Played music. Some of them may have even worked properly if they didn't have to lug around a pipe organ as well.

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    20. Re:All I have to say by GerbilSoft · · Score: 1

      Interestingly, the Nokia N-Gage is a Series 60. That makes it the only dedicated video game device ever to be susceptible to viruses. (Even the Xbox hasn't been infected with a virus in the wild, and it's running a Windows kernel!)

    21. Re:All I have to say by tomstdenis · · Score: 0

      More to the point there are BETTER solutions.
      Some people are replying with "but I use those features" Really?

      First off, try getting your pictures off the phone without using windows or paying to send them via the cell network.

      Second, the photos are low quality and usually hard to focus.

      Third, the ring tones sound worse than the average MOD file of the 90s

      fourth, the java is slow. The demo games play worse than the average atari 2600 game of the 80s.

      etc, etc, etc...

      Sure it's cool and perhaps easy to carry an all in one device. Except it's a jack of all trades and master of none.

      My SP with PocketNES is infinitely more fun to "play". My PowerShot camera is infinitely more precise and worthwhile. My MP3cd player stores way more music and sounds much better

      etc. etc. etc.

      Here's a trick most repliers are missing though. First, I carry a backpack with me. So carrying a cellphone AND a gameboy isn't hard. Second, I don't carry everything I own with me. I can survive a 20 minute busride without my own personal supply of music.

      Also by doing this I'm spreading my money around. I'm buying things **I** want not what they want to peddle on me.

      Tom

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    22. Re:All I have to say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that is why I like my samsung.

      I shopped for a phone WITHOUT a camera and was easy to upload my own stuff to it via USB.

      samsung was the only one that disallowed the service provider from disabling the features on the phone.

      I paid $100.00 less, have a great phone, hell I can make my own polyphonic ringtones or convert mp3's to the ringtone format, add my own animated graphics, upload java apps.

      all without paying 2 arms and 3 legs to the phone company for data transfer and airtime.

      fools get the phones where the only way to get data in or out is through the cellular connection.

      oh and fools are the ones also getting the cameraphones. all cameraphones take pictures that are as good at the $30.00 cheapie digital cameras.

      Nothing in a cameraphone can touch my old Canon A20 2 megapixel camera in clarity and quality of photo. and if I want to take a photo, I use my camera, duh.

      Zaurus, samsung phone, digital camera. I get the best of all worlds and no inconvience.

    23. Re:All I have to say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      First off, try getting your pictures off the phone without using windows or paying to send them via the cell network.

      Easy, all my pictures are saved on a (removable) 1GB SD Memory card. Can store a good number of pictures and music too.
      Second, the photos are low quality and usually hard to focus.

      A 3 Megapixel camera was considered high quality not so long ago.
      Third, the ring tones sound worse than the average MOD file of the 90s

      Ringtones on my phone play small mp3 files. A lot better than your average MOD file.
      fourth, the java is slow. The demo games play worse than the average atari 2600 game of the 80s.

      I'm not sure Ridge Racer 3D or even Dragon Quest could run on a Atari 2600...
    24. Re:All I have to say by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

      What 50$ phone has a 1GB SD memory card [or even the slot] a 3M pixel camera and a speaker/DSP worthy of "better sounding than your average mod?

      I had the Motorola v220 [which is the only cheap quadband my provider carries]. It had a 640x480 camera [that's 0.3M pixel], 1.2MB of flash memory to store things in and a 22Khz DSP. It game with a "submarine" game which had as much gameplay appeal as playing jacks.

      The pictures sucked ass. You couldn't get them off without either buying software from motorola and run windows [neither of which I want todo] or email them via the provider [at 0.05$ per KB].

      The storage space was puny. 1.2MB makes for very few mp3s/photos.

      The DSP sucked ass too. It was more than good enough for phone calls but it sucked for decent mp3 playback. The ringtones mostly were grainy and annoyed the fuck out of me. I left it on a simple MIDI "beep" tone...

      Trust me. The phone was crap. The only redeeming factor is it was clear for calls, got good reception and had a useful datebook thingy.

      Outside of that all the "added-value bonus gourmet quality additions" were useless and got in the way.

      Tom

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  8. there are others too by adeydas · · Score: 1

    there are some other worms too... i guess one of them puts the picture of skulls in place of all your icons. can any slashdotter put up a link to all the known mobile worms and viruses, plz...

    1. Re:there are others too by fearanddread · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's not a worm. That's a feature.

    2. Re:there are others too by timmyf2371 · · Score: 2, Funny
      http://www.google.com

      Sorry if it takes a little bit of work, but to find out this information you'll have to type in a few search terms - I'll help give you a start.

      Try: "mobile phone" +"virus"

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  9. And that's why by StateOfTheUnion · · Score: 1, Redundant

    I use a v66 dumbphone. It makes phone calls It stores phone numbers. It does voice dialing But I haven't figured that part out yet.

    1. Re:And that's why by lordfener · · Score: 1

      Amen. I have this five-year-old Sony with one incredible feature: it almost never drops phone calls. They'll have to pry it from my cold dead fingers before I give it up for one of these new toys!

    2. Re:And that's why by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      Copy SIM card phonebook to phones memory, you will get "voice tag" option on those numbers.

      V70 user ;)

      and... owner of 7650 Nokia... Eek

  10. And this is unexpected? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Serves people right, quite honestly why idiots still continue to buy products containing embedded MS Windows cr4p is beyond me.

    1. Re:And this is unexpected? by koniosis · · Score: 1

      Symbian OS is nothing to do with Microsoft or Windows.

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    2. Re:And this is unexpected? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't know what you're talking about - don't comment. Series60 runs on Symbian 6.1/7.0a and 8.0a - NOT Windows CE.

      Tosser!

    3. Re:And this is unexpected? by UWC · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Embedded MS crap... I guess this is a troll. Regardless, Series 60 phones don't have any "MS crap" to my knowledge. The OS is Symbian, which has been putting out a good mobile OS for years (I had a Diamond Mako--rebranded Psion Revo Plus--PDA thing that I loved until the nonreplaceable battery crapped out far sooner than it should have). Sun's Java is also installed on Series 60 phones. Unless Bluetooth is somehow MS-related, you're either completely misinformed or trolling. The AC status of the post indicates the latter, I guess.

    4. Re:And this is unexpected? by Omniscientist · · Score: 1
      It is unclear how much input MS has into Bluetooth, however Microsoft is certainly involved with it. It is commonly thought that Bluetooth is proprietary technology owned by one company, however the real case is that Bluetooth is a specification for a wireless technology owned by members of the Bluetooth Special Interest Group (SIG).

      Nokia, IBM, Ericsson, Intel, and Toshiba were the founding members in 1998. Today there are thousands of members, but note that on the board of directors section of the webpage, Jeff Kosar is the Product Unit Manager and he is from Microsoft Corp. However I'm not going to blame Microsoft automatically for the problem if there are 2000 or more companies contributing to the technology.

    5. Re:And this is unexpected? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      products containing embedded Windows cr4p.
      The bug that allows this malware to propagate is in software licensed from Microsoft

      If you don't know what you're talking about - don't comment
      Indeed, why not practice what you preach...

  11. Still needs user interaction though... by Zog+The+Undeniable · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So don't panic too much about the Bluetooth infection method. When something truly independent like Code Red can spread via Bluetooth, that's when people will start leaving their mobiles at home. Hang on, there's an idea...maybe I can sell it to rail passengers and restaurant customers and make $$$$?

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  12. We're surprised? by geekboy642 · · Score: 0

    And thus, a strong push for the argument that a phone should be just a phone.

    I'll bring my gameboy along, I'm sure Metal Gear works better on a platform that games.

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    1. Re:We're surprised? by koniosis · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You're right, why carry around a compact device that can take pictures, play games, sync with my calender and e-mails and allow me to make calls, connect to the internet and now stream videos when I can carry around a Gameboy, a phone, a pda and a camera and a laptop!!

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    2. Re:We're surprised? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats assuming you would need to actually carry around that much junk all the time...

      Who the hell needs a swiss army knife of all that junk anyways...

    3. Re:We're surprised? by geekboy642 · · Score: 0

      Streaming video on a postage stamp.
      Barely-megapixel flashless badly compressed pictures, usually out of focus.
      I've used the internet on a cell phone. 'nuff said.

      I've got a great idea, boys and girls! Let's have a group of stunningly sub-par functions on cell phones, and still not do simple calls correctly all the time!

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    4. Re:We're surprised? by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 1
      I can carry around a Gameboy, a phone, a pda and a camera and a laptop!!

      Uh, why would you need ANY of those things?

      On second thought, I will give you the laptop.. I am a consultant. I feel naked unless I am carrying my laptop.

    5. Re:We're surprised? by wheany · · Score: 1

      If you don't like it, don't fucking buy it!

    6. Re:We're surprised? by koniosis · · Score: 1

      Well, I need a phone of course, I want a PDA for work, e-mail calender etc (work related) I also like to listen to music (my phone works great as an mp3 player), Games are nice (solitaire on your phone!)

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    7. Re:We're surprised? by koniosis · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry I don't require the same level of standard from my devices as you do. I use the camera on my phone for fun, I'm not a professional photographer, I just want snap shots of me and my friends having fun and the 1.3 megapixel camera on my phone does a damn good job of it. The internet on my phone (Motorola A1000) is perfectly useable (mostly thanks to Opera's SSR technology and the large screen), and I find that most the websites I visit even have small screen friendly versions (such as news.bbc.co.uk). Streaming video is equally enjoyable due to the large, high resolution screen.

      If I wanted to spend 4 hours doing reasearch on the internet or If I wanted to take hi quality photos at a special event then I'd proabably use a more appropriate device, but since 99% of the time my phone will surfice for what I need I am happy with it.

      I wouldn't consider the functions on a modern phone "sub-par".

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    8. Re:We're surprised? by UWC · · Score: 1

      Thats assuming you would need to actually carry around that much junk all the time...

      Who the hell needs a swiss army knife of all that junk anyways...


      Isn't that kind of like asking who needs a Swiss Army knife?

    9. Re:We're surprised? by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Why should my cargo pants go to waste? I have a phone, a calculator, a Neuros, a multimeter, a soldering iron, wire, solder, wire clippers/strippers, cat5 cable, cat5 terminators, cat5 crimper, and sometimes more, ALL IN MY POCKETS! What's in my pockets Gollum?

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  13. sometimes I don't like being right by ChipMonk · · Score: 1

    But this isn't one of them.

    People laughed at me when Bluetooth was first announced. I said I didn't want my cell phone or PDA being frisked by other units as I walked around.

    I still refuse to carry any Bluetooth equipment. Who's laughing now?

    And, more importantly, how long until a crooked cop uses such a vulnerability to plant evidence on your PDA?

    1. Re:sometimes I don't like being right by koniosis · · Score: 1

      Ermm.. or you can simply turn bluetooth off?

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    2. Re:sometimes I don't like being right by snorklewacker · · Score: 1

      > People laughed at me when Bluetooth was first announced.

      I'm still laughing at you. Why some geeks choose to remain ignorant is beyond me. If you don't want to use it, fine. I like using my ericsson bluetooth headset on my nokia phone thankyouverymuch. If a crooked cop wants to plant evidence, they can just drop a kilo into my trunk. Jesus.

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    3. Re:sometimes I don't like being right by Psion · · Score: 1

      "They also laughed at Bozo the clown." -- Carl Sagan

    4. Re:sometimes I don't like being right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and many of us laugh at the BHA.

  14. Now for the second stage of infection... by commieboyredux · · Score: 0

    Fox-DIE will kick in, and you'll have to get a new cell phone...

  15. Just wait by Auckerman · · Score: 1

    There's going to be a day when all cell phones are running servers over wireless for p2p communications. When that day comes, walking past the wrong person will hose your phone.

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  16. Metal Gear Symbian by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1

    Gah! The thought boggles the mind.

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  17. missed opportunity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It would've been better if if made other people's phones display "!" and make a *RrrRRREEK!* sound when you walked near them.

    1. Re:missed opportunity by Firefly1 · · Score: 1

      Heh, good one. And I guess the removal tools would be labeled 'Foxdie' by the community...

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  18. Since no one has done it yet... by JossiRossi · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Oh look a Metal Gear Port.. horray downloading..."
    "Dude you're cell.. it's dying I think..."
    "Snake? SNAKE?! SSSSSNNNNAAAAAKKKKEEEEEE!!!!!!"

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    1. Re:Since no one has done it yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Snake? SNAKE?! SSSSSNNNNAAAAAKKKKEEEEEE!!!!!!"

      Badger, badger, badger...

      Whoops, wrong snake...

  19. Communicator by matmcfad · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Does anyone ever think of hitting the off button on there bluetooth?

    1. Re:Communicator by Ironsides · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When Latest windoze worm announced:
      Does anyone ever thing of hitting the off button on there cable/DSL modem?

      If you use it, you leave it on. If you don't use it, you may not even know it is there.

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    2. Re:Communicator by AtariAmarok · · Score: 1

      "When Latest windoze worm announced: Does anyone ever thing of hitting the off button on there cable/DSL modem?" Yeah. I've learned how to read the blinky light patterns to tell when malware is coming down the pipe. As soon as I see it in the queue, I hit the off button!

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    3. Re:Communicator by Palshife · · Score: 1

      How is that viable? If you know you have a worm it's better to disable the network connection on your PC. Why disturb other devices on your network because of one infected device?

      Turning off bluetooth is a good idea if you know you're not gonna use it. Mod grandparent up.

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    4. Re:Communicator by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      Yes.. but if you run a service of some sort from home.. disconnecting isn't an option.

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    5. Re:Communicator by Ironsides · · Score: 1

      What I mean by that is this:
      Lets say the latest windows worm has been released. I am not yet infected. I am not going to shut off my cable modem just because there is a worm on the internet that I have not contracted.

      As for turning off bluetooth if I'm not gonna use it. I highly doubt a lot of these people that aren't using bluetooth even know that they have bluetooth in their phones, much less what it is. And before saying anything about it being in the manual, How many people actually read the entire manual other than for finding out exactly how to do what they want to do? Most people will only read it for finding out how to us e the features they want to use, not to find out about all the options they have.

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    6. Re:Communicator by Ced_Ex · · Score: 1

      Yeah. I've learned how to read the blinky light patterns to tell when malware is coming down the pipe. As soon as I see it in the queue, I hit the off button!

      That's frikkin amazing!!! Hell, if your monitor ever goes down you could just surf by staring at the blinking lights! Amazing... simply amazing.

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  20. Anti-Virus on Sybian? by Gothmolly · · Score: 0

    God I hope I don't have to worry about viruses on my Sybian OS cell phone. Who knows how many people it might infect?

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    1. Re:Anti-Virus on Sybian? by REBloomfield · · Score: 1

      i read this page just to find the first one of these. Hello :) Glad it's not just me that gets confused.....

    2. Re:Anti-Virus on Sybian? by throbbingbrain.com · · Score: 1

      At first glance I thought the article title was "Metal Gear Sybian". Whoa! Sounds painful.

  21. Funny thing by America+Balls · · Score: 2, Funny

    I fell asleep last night with the comfort of knowing that all Series 60 phone users were safe. In fact, I said a little prayer giving thanks for that. Tonight, I doubt I sleep at all, what with all the worrying I will do for those poor, poor series 60 phone owners.

  22. kiss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they should have "Kept It Simple Stupid" make cellphones just be a cellphone, i dont need video games, i dont need music, i dont need a digital camera built in, i just want to make a friggin phone call...

    but NNOOOOO, they gotta cram in all sorts of kludge making it more complicated, and vulnerable to attacks by malware...

    /rant

    1. Re:kiss by koniosis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Funny, I do want those features, just because you don't doesn't mean no phone should have them. You can still buy phones that do pretty much nothing useful other than being a phone, I reccommend you buy one of them; I'll buy one with a calender and games (since that's what I want).

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  23. Infiltrate Outer Heaven and destroy Metal Gear!~ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So is this the next gear'? I was a little dissapointed with the lack of one in MGS3, perhaps this is Metal Gear Trojan!

    Bipedal worm that can launch ddos attacks from anywhere in the world. Mwah.

  24. A virus - whats new... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So what we're saying is that if people download warez it might contain viruses. If people receieve a bluetooth message (think email) and run the attachment without thinking where it came from then they might get infected by a virus.

    This is news ?

  25. Stop the press! by sjofi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You can install a program on your computer that does bad things. Also on your Symbian mobile phone if you really really want to and decide to discard multiple warning messages.

  26. The phone have started to move! by GlueyPorchBoy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Any real fan of the series would be expecting a set-up, anyway.

    1. Re:The phone have started to move! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Yes, but what if they drop their guard and feel asleep?

    2. Re:The phone have started to move! by Erik+Hollensbe · · Score: 1

      Ah, slashdot. The last bastion of good old school gamer in-joke humor.

      Probably the only reason I still come back. :)

      Does the virus wipe away giant blocks in the screen as you run the stylus over it? Be sure to follow the right pattern to avoid those holes!

  27. Infection by Renraku · · Score: 1

    What if someone were to find an exploit in a few cell phone OSes? Then find an exploit in the routing software/hardware of cell towers?

    Infect their own phone, that infects every cell tower it cells to, and that tower infects every cell phone it can see, etc.

    I'd make the payload somthing to either disable the ringer, or play some annoying loud-ass tone for hours.

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    1. Re:Infection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [homeland securitymobile pulls up outside, labeled Flowers By Irene (apologies to Simpsons writers)]

      That could indeed prove quite the annoyance. At the moment, I'd think the effect would be fairly limited. Even from a single manufacturer, the OS is going to differ among some models. Assuming that a current virus had the ability to distribute itself in such a way and to automatically infect and execute all susceptible phones and towers, the effect would be limited to a particular OS and possibly a particular carrier.

      I've noticed phone variety actually increasing in the US lately. Standard brands already were Nokia, Motorola, and Sony/Ericson. Now you can easily get phones by Samsung, Siemens, LG, Palm/Handspring, Blackberry (or whatever its manufacturer is), Sidekick (again, not sure of the manufacturer or OS), and even some running Windows Mobile. Unless OS/brand choice begins to converge, the effects would be limited.

    2. Re:Infection by sqlrob · · Score: 1

      What about the holes in Jave ME?

    3. Re:Infection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd make the payload somthing to either disable the ringer, or play some annoying loud-ass tone for hours.

      They already did this with radios. It's called Christmas Music.

  28. The Willie Nelson factor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    "People laughed at me when Bluetooth was first announced"

    I choose to steer clear of it due to its really idiotic name, anyway. It does not sound like high tech. It sounds like something you find in someone's mouth in the front row of a Willie Nelson concert.

  29. I think I have this one by AtariAmarok · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I think I have this one on my web-enabled phone I'm using to get to Slashdot now. I see something odd happening to the icons in the cor $%$YT$%45#@544D3$ [end of line]

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  30. My cheesy metal gear jokes > Yours by Crimsane · · Score: 0

    "The worm cloaks itself in a cardboard box labelled 'dock A'"

    "This looks like a pretty solid virus"

    "Man this worm is huge! Its big enough to be a snake!"

    "The virus next target is the new PSP handheld console, shooting high speed UMD's at your enemies rail gun style"

  31. MG by justforaday · · Score: 5, Funny

    I guess I should expect to see people staring at their phones going "Snake? SSSSNNNNAAAAAAKKKKEEEEEE!!!!"

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  32. woo hoo by minus_273 · · Score: 1

    go ngage! go ngage!

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  33. I am by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Actually, I'm laughing pretty hard at the thought people don't know you can disable bluetooth on phones.

    I only turn mine on when I'm synching with something or using it as a data connection with my laptop.

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  34. I'm getting around these problems. by AtariAmarok · · Score: 1

    I'm getting around these problems, as I have done all I can to make my mobile phone very secure. You can see a photo of the modifications so far.

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  35. Heh! by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    You technodweebs that just have to have George Jetson crap get what you ask for.

    I carry a TELEPHONE, that's all it does. I don't need to carry a frigging computer around on my belt, or play games, that's stupid. You have to have all this techno crap with you every waking second and now you have created your own personal hell.

    My typical phone conversation.
    (ring ring): Hello?
    caller: My computer is messed up, help me.
    me: What's your address?
    caller: 1234 blah blah street.
    me: I'll be right there. Bye.

    typical total call time, under 60 seconds.

    The number of times I've ever wanted to play a game, snap a photo, surf the web, send a TM using my cell phone? ZERO..

    The number of times my cell phone ever failed me?
    ZERO...

    The kid across the street from me showed me his cell phone, the games it can play, pictures of his GF's tits, surfing the web in a 25x10 browser. Whoopty-doo....

    1. Re:Heh! by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 1
      pictures of his GF's tits,

      Well, I'm not a fan of fancy phones. But if they include that picture as one of the features, they just sold me.

    2. Re:Heh! by o0congee0o · · Score: 1

      I agree on some level, but my sidekick II helps out a lot when I needed to lookup a review of a game that I never heard of. saved me tons of money

      But the games, camera and mp3? I have a digi cam ,a gameboy and ipod for that.

    3. Re:Heh! by lidocaineus · · Score: 1

      Don't be such a luddite. Just because you see an example of stupidity and ineffectual use doesn't mean the rest of us can't figure out how to use our technology in an efficient way.

      My phone is hooked up via bluetooth to my headset, pda, and laptop. Depending on where I am at any one time, incoming calls are routed to the headset (if I want), show up on the screen with the matching profile plucked from the laptop's address book (if I want), or SMS's are sent back and forth between the PDA or laptop (if I want), and email arrivals are announced from various IMAP servers as well as downloaded if neccessary (if I want).

      Did you catch the magic phrase in that previous paragraph? Let me iterate if it's not clear: IF I WANT. The option is there. It isn't always on, because sometimes, it's completely useless. Other times, it's completely invaluable... and the ease at switching between working modes is literally one button. Oh wait, if I have to interface it with my PDA or laptop, I have to lift up the laptop cover or turn on the PDA.

      It still acts very well as a phone. None of the features interfere with the added options (and if they did, I'd sure as hell return the phone right away). Find a phone that does the basic well. If you want more, seek those options out. If those further options diminish the quality of the basic functions, you made a bad choice. How hard is that for you folks to understand?

    4. Re:Heh! by sqlrob · · Score: 1

      Don't be such a luddite. Just because you see an example of stupidity and ineffectual use doesn't mean the rest of us can't figure out how to use our technology in an efficient way.

      The problem is, it's not an example of stupidity, it's lots of them. People as an aggregate are stupid (MyDoom required user intervention to spread, no holes were taken advantage of)

    5. Re:Heh! by Glendale2x · · Score: 1

      I find my Sprint phone's browser handy for controlling the lights on my house. I have a web page set up (in the same vein as the guy with the X-10 Christmas lights) that looks good on the screen and is easy to use with the phone's interface. Since Sprint doesn't chage per byte or whatever, I can use the browser as much as I want. Although I don't really use it much, it's great for turning on the front door and driveway lights as I'm pulling up at night.

      Text messaging is good because I like to avoid bothering people around me whenever possible. And the camera phone was great for the time I saw someone in an SUV drive around the "road closed" construction barricades and right into a big hole they had cut into the street. Only the back end of the vehicle was visible above street level. Priceless.

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    6. Re:Heh! by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      You hit on an intersting idea, the phone as a universal remote. Maybe they could stick an infrared transmitter on the end of it and put in a library of electronic control codes (TVs, stereos, etc). The phone could become a real "swiss army knife" electronic device.

      Plus you could use the infrared device for transfering info between phones (contact info) but Bluetooth obviously can do that also.

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    7. Re:Heh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope you're posting this from a Babbage Analytical machine connected to the internet via a tin can and string then.

    8. Re:Heh! by EddWo · · Score: 1

      They already have an IR tranceiver on them, it was the precursor to Bluetooth. All you need is the right bit of software to turn it into a universal remote.

      http://www.psiloc.com/index.html?action=ShowArticl eItem&ida=152

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  36. Virus code name...Metal Gear?!? by Takeel · · Score: 2, Funny
  37. OSS shortcoming: who does the boring stuff? by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's awesome, but I wish these guys would put their brainpower and idle time towards something more productive, like OSS software development.

    The problem is that much of what needs to be done is boring and/or unchallenging. Some folks program because they like to solve problems, the "journey", not because they have a strong commitment to a project, the "destination". In the OSS world there are lots of people who would like to work on the interesting things and if they cannot they are more likely to not contribute than go work on the boring parts. Commercial software has an advantage here, do the drudgery, collect a paycheck. The solution: more donations, less "free beer", that fund programmers to work on the boring stuff.

    1. Re:OSS shortcoming: who does the boring stuff? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      It'd be nice if companies would fund OSS development like this, as we saw with the German government funding some KDE development. Instead of paying some greedy software company a lot of money every year for recurring license costs, a group of companies that need some certain software could pool their funds and pay OSS developers to create the software, which then is released for anyone to use under the appropriate license. For the companies funding it, they'd probably save a bundle in the long term.

      Maybe someone needs to set up the infrastructure to support this: collecting funds, organizing projects, hiring and paying developers, etc. Someone could even set up a company to do this. As long as it's kept small and not publicly traded, they could be profitable while still satisfying the customers and helping further OSS.

  38. Now for something totally off-topic by bambenek · · Score: 1

    Well, kinda off topic... An InfoSec Christmas Carol - Tw4z t3h N1t3 B3f0r3 Xm4z #end shameless self-plugging #note: at least I'm honest

  39. Hmmm, Good idea though by Altima(BoB) · · Score: 1

    Makes me think that a Metal Gear Solid game would be a good idea for a phone, and the best part is that your service provider could bill you for each codec call you initiae to Meryl. And Revolver Ocelot could torture you by making you type an inane text message as quickly as possible using all capital letters and the words LOL and L8R.

    And of course let's not forget being able to sit on a bus and make every other passenger listen to Liquid scream "SNAAAAAKE! PREPARE TO DIE, MY BROTHEEEERRR!!!!"

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    1. Re:Hmmm, Good idea though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  40. Metal Gear Solid, huh? by SlackGirl · · Score: 1

    Shuddering in anticipation of the "Naked Raiden" virus...

  41. I bet it was a mexican hacker. by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 1

    Metal Gear: Worm Eater

  42. snaaaake!!! .... SNAAAAAAaaakkee!! by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Was the last thing my phone said before being infected ;)

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  43. Will Hideo Kojima hear about this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If so, we can expect something like this in the next game.

    MGS4: Viral Snake

    [CALL]

    Mei Ling: Snake be careful when logging onto the various computers in the compound. They could be... boobytrapped.

    Snake: Boobytrapped? How?

    Otacon: Snake, haven't you ever heard of computer viruses?

    Snake: Well yea.

    Otacon: Those terminals will attempt to upload a trojan virus to any foreign piece of equipment that logs onto it. It makes them almost as dangerous as the guards around there.

    Snake: But it's not like I'm a walking cellphone or something.

    Colonel: Snake, this is serious!

    Mei Ling: Actually, with the reprogrammable nanites in your body, you basically are.

    Snake: ...

    Otacon: Yea Snake. Try not to get hax0red out there.

    Snake: Hax..huh?

    Otacon: *sigh*

    [END TRANSMISSION]

  44. "Grownup" cellphones are needed too by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 1

    Nonsense, very poor analogy. The basic phone is a ubiquitous device that everyone knows how to use, that should not need an instruction manual. The cellphone should be the highly portable incarnation. "Grownup" models, forsakes the "kiddie" crap and make it smaller or enlarges the battery, are needed too.

    I'm dreading the day when my four year old Motorola StarTAC dies.

    1. Re:"Grownup" cellphones are needed too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yea, if they made a cel-phone that was a regular sized phone (yknow like my cordless at home) and didnt have a buncha video games & crap on it... i might actually think about getting one.

      But until then, verizon can keep their glorified game boys.

    2. Re:"Grownup" cellphones are needed too by SeanDuggan · · Score: 1

      They do sell phones which basically boil down to making and receiving calls. Heck, most of the places will practically give them away, even without a contract. As for the regular size, well, one of the purposes of cell phones is that they be easily carriable. Do you normally stuff your wireless phone down the front of your pants? {turns slightly green} Never mind... don't answer that.

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    3. Re:"Grownup" cellphones are needed too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not interested in carrying it around in my pocket, most likely if i had a cel phone it would spend most of its time in my glove box or in a desk drawer at work.

      I'm also not interested in trying to have a conversation over a telephone that is roughly the size of a thimble.

  45. Obligatory by WolfgangVonEstevez · · Score: 0

    Can you hear me now?

  46. You dont have to say... by Blitzenn · · Score: 1

    You don't have to use the adjective 'crooked' in front of cop anymore. The word cop says that itself these days. If you need to denote a cop who is not crooked, you HAVE to say 'Honest' cop however. Otherwise it is assumed that they are crooked.

    1. Re:You dont have to say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'Honest' cop that would be a LEO

    2. Re:You dont have to say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Lower Earth Orbit"? Please be more specific with your acronyms.

  47. Personally, if I were a virus writer... by mark-t · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The most perfect crime isn't just one where you're not actually caught, it's one where nobody ever notices that the crime was committed in the first place. If you shut down the antivirus software, you leave a potentially very visible avenue that leads directly to the cause.

    That's why if I were to actually go about writing a virus, it would not actually disable any existing antivirus software at all, but would make suitable patches to the most common ones so that my virus would simply not be detected by it, thereby convincing most people into naively believing that their antivirus software is running as expected during what is actually the virus's dormancy period.

    Why nobody else has tried this is beyond me.

    Does the fact that I would even think of something like this make me a bad person?

    1. Re:Personally, if I were a virus writer... by Etcetera · · Score: 2, Funny
      Why nobody else has tried this is beyond me.


      Heh... how do you know they haven't?

    2. Re:Personally, if I were a virus writer... by lifeblender · · Score: 1

      But if you did that, you might not get any recognition for your hard work.

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    3. Re:Personally, if I were a virus writer... by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

      The perfect hack would be for somebody to break into Symantec or similar and leave a definition file for any of the Windows internal dlls.

      W32.Windows.xp

      Distribution: High
      Damage: High
      Threat Containment: Easy

      Technical Details.
      Most computer systems come pre-infected with this virus, otherwise it can be downloaded at any of the torrent sites around.

      Removal Instructions.
      You must first seek a guru. He will supply you with one of many Linux disks. Insert one in your drive and reboot your computer. Follow the prompts on screen.
      Do not be fooled by any messages Windows may display when you insert the disk, these are diversionary tactics.

      If your work computer is infected, you may find that removing the W32.Windows virus may lead to premature loss of employement, be sure to consult with your in-situ guru.
      Do not follow the advice of any PHBs though.

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    4. Re:Personally, if I were a virus writer... by mark-t · · Score: 1
      It would be amusing, true... but by no means perfect. It would be very obvious to most people what was done.

      To qualify as truly perfect, it has to be so completely invisible that nobody has any realy way to find out that it's on their system until it's too late, the idea being that you have a dormancy period long enough to allow it to propogate and on a certain date at a certain time (UTC), the virus does its dastardly deeds.

  48. Just the beginning for Bluetooth by yetanothermike · · Score: 1
    There are a lot of easy ways to sabotage cell phones using Bluetooth. The fact that it's a GAME on a CELL PHONE just makes it even jucier. Get people who have to have their games, and people who don't know what they are doing on their phones... I can see the headlines now.

    Just wait until people are bugging all your conversations by using your own cell phone right there in your pocket. Companies will need to ban cell phones from conference rooms because people can't trust them.

    You think Windows is riddled with problems? Just wait until you see what script kiddie Bluetooth "hackers" do to people who don't even know their phones HAVE Bluetooth, let alone what to do with it.

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  49. Ha ha slackers get pwn3d! by gelfling · · Score: 2, Funny

    So who has more free time on their hands - the people who play online games on their phones or the people who write viruses for people who play online games on their phones.

    I swear it's slackers like you that will lead to more ridiculous regulations.

  50. Its not just my phone! by bluGill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have to disagree. My cell phone is more than my phone. It is a device that I carry with me for many purposes. Sure I get calls on it, but that isn't the most important thing I use it for.

    My main use for it turns out to be a clock that isn't uncomfortable to wear (I hate things on my wrist).

    It also has some simple games good for keeping me entertained while waiting for the waiter to bring my order. (this is slashdot, of course I don't know any girls to eat with)

    It is a handy kitchen timer that I can hear even when I'm at the other end of the house. The phone is on me, not the stove.

    There is a useful calender that reminds me when important events come up. (A pain to enter them)

    There is a calculator for times when I need to deal with more digits than I can remember at one time. I wish it has hex and graphics functions, but it works.

    There is a camera attachment. Sure the pictures are poor, but it works, and I'm more likely to have this with me than a fancy camera.

    All this, rolled into one tiny 1.5x4x.75 (inch) device.

    1. Re:Its not just my phone! by m2bord · · Score: 1

      and who hasn't played with that handy vibrate function?
      uhmm....did i just say that out loud?

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    2. Re:Its not just my phone! by Erik+Hollensbe · · Score: 0

      I have to disagree. My cell phone is more than my phone.

      You lost the argument right here, bud.

      You realize that almost everything you said you qualified with "low quality", right?

      If you need a simple computer, buy a simple computer. Don't buy a phone with a simple computer, buy a simple computer with a phone.

      Sounds the same but they are very different things.

    3. Re:Its not just my phone! by Grishnakh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm all for adding extra functionality, but only when it works well and works right. Otherwise, forget it.

      Here's what I use my phone for:
      1) telephone (duh)
      2) clock - always synced to universal time by network
      3) calculator - in case I need to do a simple calculation
      4) calendar/appointment minder

      Everything else the companies are offering seem to suck, including web access, email, SMS, games, and especially cameras. The big problem with all of these is actually not the technology, but the exhorbitant cost. Why should I pay fees to email pictures to myself, when I should be able to just plug in a USB cable and download them directly? Why should I pay fees to access the web instead of just using my minutes as if it were a voice call. To the tower, it's all just data. And why do SMS messages cost more than voice calls, when they take far less bandwidth? All these things smack of profit-grabbing by the cell carriers, so I just stay away from them. It's just like the old days when your landline carrier wanted to charge extra for caller ID, 3-way calling, call waiting, etc. Oh wait, the landlines still charge extra for these, don't they?

      Forget all these overpriced "services". I'll sign up for things when they become reasonably priced (i.e. free, or part of the basic service). For now, this just seems to be basic cellphone service, plus the little extras like the calculator that are included on the phone, but don't use the network.

    4. Re:Its not just my phone! by bluGill · · Score: 1

      And where can I find an affordable computer that fits in my pocket? My phone was free! (Okay, I signed a one year contract, but I was going to keep the same plan for a year anyway so that doesn't count)

      Make sure this computer is small enough that I can use hold it to my ear like a phone, because I just want one gadget to carry around. Every simple computer (palm type device) I've seen is a lot larger than my phone.

      I own a gameboy. I don't take it to work with me though, which means I don't have it on lunch break. I have a nice laptop computer, but it doesn't go with me everywhere. They are both too big, and not universal enough to want with me. Sure the phone features are all qualified with low quality, but it is good enough! My phone is with me everywhere. It is small enough to use everywhere. I'd like it to be better, but the constraints of size mean that something has to be sacrificed.

    5. Re:Its not just my phone! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what you want is a PDA. Then you could read ebooks and do lots of other stuff.

      A phone is a phone is a phone.

      A computer is a multi-purpose device, a phone is a phone (or at least should be).
      And similar, a camera is a camera. Why do you want a shitty little camera on a phone?

  51. What is this "cell phone" thingy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is this "cell phone" thingy?

  52. my ... phone? by Errtu76 · · Score: 1

    Help! My phone slash mp3 player slash radio slash camera slash calculator slash agenda slash gaming device slash clock got a virus!

  53. I was thinking the things... by flibberdi · · Score: 1

    Actually I was in an channel some weeks ago and this dude was really upset on Noka for

    1. Trying to sqeese the developers to pay for some "extended" "PRO" program,which you'd have to join (pay money) to get some API's (crypto etc),Documents and support.

    2. Not releasing CodeWarrior mobile for free (They bought it), instead they are trying to squeese the developers for their last dime.

    3.Not releasing the emulators for Linux (You have the J2ME ones...), even though they have been kind enough to provide you with an old gcc (crosscompile) on their site.

    Well he went on (I prob missed a few things here) and said that someone ought to make some bad malware to "Phuck em up". I am seriously!! That was what he said (hackerish eh?...).

    Was it this dude or was it someone else doin it for some other reason??

  54. Anti-virus software means it wasn't safe by kindbud · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just when you thought your Series 60 smartphones were safe, a trojan has surfaced ... that disables all anti-virus software...

    If the things need anti-virus software, they were never safe to begin with.

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    Edith Keeler Must Die
    1. Re:Anti-virus software means it wasn't safe by Ava3ar · · Score: 0

      how does that scout saying go again ?? but seriouslly i have never heard of a phone with anti-virus software, at least they dont say it in teh showrooms

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      ¦^)= The Vengance Will Come =(^¦
    2. Re:Anti-virus software means it wasn't safe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Preposterous. By your analogy, you're saying Windows isn't secure.

    3. Re:Anti-virus software means it wasn't safe by tunah · · Score: 1

      They don't need anti-virus software. They need anti-virus software OR a healthy cynicism when it comes to anti-virus vendors.

      --
      Free Java games for your phone: Tontie, Sokoban
  55. Do you use Symbian instead of Pocket PC? Beware. by gfecyk · · Score: 1

    Gee, phones with after-the-fact anti-virus software. Java. Custom games. Trojans posing as games. All because Symbian's the most popular OS for phones.

    I don't suppose there's a Limited User mode for a phone, is there? :-)

    --
    Use Evolution instead of Outlook? Bewa
  56. Seriously by phpsocialclub · · Score: 2, Insightful

    For a bunch of self defined "nerds" people here sure have a problem with high tech phones. I guess they have never wanted to look something up on google in the car, or connect their laptop to the internet wirelessly, check their email, or take a picture of something funny or important.

    My nokia 6600 is awesome, gets great battery life, and reminds me when i am supposed to be places. Bluetooth lets me transfer information from my laptop to it, such as contact and calendar events.

    It has revolutionized the way I use my cell phone,

    If all you want to do is talk on the phone, thats fine, but as a bunch of nerds you must see how the smart cell phone is the future. Oh yeah, it never drops calls either.

    1. Re:Seriously by TakaIta · · Score: 1
      I guess they have never wanted to look something up on google in the car, or connect their laptop to the internet wirelessly, check their email, or take a picture of something funny or important.....reminds me when i am supposed to be places......such as contact and calendar events

      I don't have a car
      I don't have a laptop
      I have a camera to take pictures
      I have a conscience to remind me where i should have been, and that is bad enough
      I have an old-fashioned paper calendar which is mostly empty. Usually I remember an appointment, or I forget it when it wasn't important enough to remember

      The point is that being a nerd is something different then letting your life be ruled by equipment.

  57. Is Symbian a Ubiquitous Platform? by lordDallan · · Score: 1

    What, if anything, does this story have to do with adding/decreasing the credence of the "security through obscurity" myth/theory?

    Is there something really valuable to be gained by hacking Symbian phones? Some financial motive that gets people motivated to hack. Or is it just an insecure OS easily hacked?

    1. Re:Is Symbian a Ubiquitous Platform? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I work on one of the Symbian Anti-Virus apps, thus the AC status. I can say that the OS is fairly open to abuse in several ways. Having said that, there is a mechanism in place to digitally sign applications - it's just that it's expensive and time consuming to do so.

      Of course, there is substantial financial motive to access people's phones, and one "trojan" has already tried that. The Mosquitos game was hacked, but the authors had anticipated that and written in a routine to detect a hack and send sms's to a premium rate number in that event - thus causing the would-be abuser to pay anyway. They chose to shut it down when word got out for fear of the publicity.

  58. batten down the hatches by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    Where's my mobile firewall? 3G TCP/IP, BlueTooth, IR, serial... my "MiniMe" is wide open to any attacker who comes around.

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    make install -not war

  59. Safe Hex... by Beefslaya · · Score: 0
    Just when I thought it was safe to take the shrink wrap off my Bluetooth devices.

    Shucks---

  60. So is this like... by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

    Metal Gear Solid Worm? Like as opposed to a solid snake.

    And is there a Liquid Worm out there, lurking?

    (and no I am not a fanboy; those games *SUCK* big balls: I always though the solid and liquid snake names were some obscure Japanese fecal-matter reference).

    --
    In the free world the media isn't government run; the government is media run.
  61. The Patriots by n0wak · · Score: 1

    It is obvious that this is part of a conspiracy by the Patriots to cause an "apparent malfunction" within GW.

    FISSION MAILED.

  62. I don't get it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why would someone think that this virus poses a problem?
    I work for a big, international mobile communications provider and most of my colleagues have those phones because Sytmbian 60 has a better usability than any other mobile phone OS in a modern gadgety phone. Not a single one of them ever leaves bluetooth enabled all the time because it sucks your battery dry in no time (with a 7650/3650 it reduces standby from 3-4 days with a used battery to about 1 1/2 days). Even if they did, the default is to ask the user before any communication with another device is allowed.

    I see the problem with viruses on devices like that of course but unless you use really untrustworthy sources for your software there shouldn't be any problem.

    I'd be more worried about wireless lan and the likes...

  63. LEO? by Blitzenn · · Score: 1

    Waht the hell is a LEO? The generally accepted defination of LEO is Low Earth Orbit. What the heck are you noting?

    1. Re:LEO? by Kehvarl · · Score: 0

      Law Enforcement Officer. Doesn't anyone read Anne Mccaffrey? errr.. wait, nevermind, forget I asked that.

  64. plug in a USB cable by rhendershot · · Score: 1

    "BitPim is a program that allows you to view and manipulate data on LG VX4400/VX6000 and many Sanyo Sprint cell phones. This includes the PhoneBook, Calendar, WallPapers, RingTones (functionality varies by phone) and the Filesystem for most Qualcomm CDMA chipset based phones."

    http://bitpim.sourceforge.net/

    I've been using this with my LG vx6000 phone so I can use it as calendar and update from my work or home computer. Works for me...

  65. Anyone? by TheRaider · · Score: 1

    Hmm.. Apparently nobody here has seen the movie Cellular ..

  66. Otacon sez by fyrewulff · · Score: 1

    It's true. Viruses can bloom on the battlefield, Snake.

    --
    "We need to get over this notion, that, for Apple to win... Microsoft must lose." - Steve Jobs, 1997
  67. Easy fix available by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just call the Colonel or Mai Lin on your codec and they'll walk you through the process.

  68. "Metal Gear.a"? by webrunner · · Score: 1

    Why couldn't they have taken the cool path and named it "FOXDIE"?

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    ADVENTURERS! - ANTIHERO FOR HIRE - CARDMASTER CONFLICT
  69. Verizon/Brew versus Open by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well this is the result of the _other_ choice.

    Bascially you can have a very closed system like Verizon does with Brew, where you only allow applications that are certified, and go through a major publisher. Or you can have an open system where apps can come from anywhere and do anything.

    OK, OK, I guess J2ME could be made to be in between with certain functions not available to the app -- but who wants to make an app that is restricted? (Not to get into another debate but as a developer I need to problem solve and the higher level languages ofter remove that ability).

    Personaly, I vote for the open system. The closed system is just AOL'ing new phone users who don't know they should not be being charged 99 cents to put their own wallpaper on their phone. The closed system is also open to many internal conflicts of interest where crappy apps are put up just because they can be sold to an unsuspecting public when a brand is slapped on.

    While slightly ugly, the Nokia 6600 can be purchased for $0 through tomorrow and has Bluetooth (not crippled V710 bluetooth) and a camera, video, etc, etc. Its programmable using Symbian, an open standard. You can buy a book, write a program, and put it on there...

    1. Re:Verizon/Brew versus Open by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Link to deal on 6600:

      http://nokia.letstalk.com/inc/widgets/simplecart /p roductmapfeatures.htm?metaCode=1795345408&depId=0& pgId=100&prId=26042

  70. Where can I get the source code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hello everybody!

    I'm currently begining to study the security of symbian, but I can't get the source or binaries of any of those virus ("Skulls" and so on)and trojans.

    Does anybody know how can I get them?

    Thanks in advance

  71. Another OSS Shortcoming: Expecting others to pay by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 1

    I'm not directing this at you, I'm directing this at the "community" at large. Your post just reminded me of this other problem.

    **We** should be contributing to various organizations. As I said in the other post, less "free beer", consider it tipping the waitress/bartender. I guess this is the other OSS shortcoming, too many people expect others (government, companies) to pay. Few people donate their own time or money (buy CDs from org rather than download ISO, etc.) but they have lots of suggestions on how others should spend money or time.

  72. Re:Another OSS Shortcoming: Expecting others to pa by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

    I agree that some more personal donations would help. But I'm just pointing out that many companies and governments, which aren't in the business of selling software, would probably save money in the long run by financing OSS projects which they need instead of continually paying some overpriced vendor. The example of the German government commissioning Kolab I think is a good one; it probably cost them far less to pay some contractors to build this for them than it would have to pay per-seat Exchange2000 licensing to Microsoft every year (plus, that money stays in the country, which is always good). If lots of companies, and even better, governments, did this, OSS would really explode, even without individuals contributing any money. A lot of high-profit software companies would be in trouble with their shareholders, but that's their problem.

  73. Re:Another OSS Shortcoming: Expecting others to pa by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 1

    The problem is that governments are not really interested is saving money or OSS. In reality it is "local" politics. The German decision may be viewed as a jobs program, or possibly seeding a domestic software industry.

    It is not government's role to take down high profit companies, and it is not only the company shareholders that would be in trouble, it is the employees who would be in trouble. The executives and such have their golden parachutes, the little guys get screwed. Things are far more complicatd than you suggest.

  74. Worm Removal Instructions by NotAPirate · · Score: 1

    Up Up Down Down Left Right Left Right 1 2 #

  75. Re:Another OSS Shortcoming: Expecting others to pa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ---I'd like to see a minimal but "complete enough" distro released that costed something reasonable, say ten bucks, but every app's lead developer and the distro maker all shared in the cash pie. I wouldgladly supportsome effortlike that. It would be in the distros benefit to really pick and choose which apps to include, but their "community" would be the ultimate decision makers, and the various coders would know that their efforts would at least result in *some* coin.

    --zogger, posted running BlueFlops Linux, two floppy distro with a graphical browser

  76. Re:Another OSS Shortcoming: Expecting others to pa by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

    It is not government's role to take down high profit companies, and it is not only the company shareholders that would be in trouble, it is the employees who would be in trouble.

    You're missing something: the world has countries other than the USA, and it's not the job of other countries' governments to enrich companies in the USA.

    If I were a taxpayer in Latvia, I would absolutely want my government to seed a domestic software industry rather than send money to some big corporation in the USA. The German government's decision here was absolutely the right one.

    The problem is that governments are not really interested is saving money or OSS. In reality it is "local" politics.

    Huh? Since when is it not the job of government to wisely spend its citizens' money? Again, you're viewing the world through USA-tinted glasses. Here in the USA, the government is indeed corrupt and does everything it can to give handouts to the rich and doesn't bother saving money or supporting local industries. However, not all countries' governments are this way, nor should they be. Luckily for the Germans, the German government appears to have domestic interests at heart and doesn't freely send their money overseas.

  77. Re:Another OSS Shortcoming: Expecting others to pa by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 1

    You're missing something: the world has countries other than the USA, and it's not the job of other countries' governments to enrich companies in the USA.

    I have missed nothing. You are restating my opening comment: "The German decision may be viewed as a jobs program, or possibly seeding a domestic software industry."

    Here in the USA, the government is indeed corrupt and does everything it can to give handouts to the rich and doesn't bother saving money or supporting local industries. However, not all countries' governments are this way, nor should they be. Luckily for the Germans, the German government appears to have domestic interests at heart and doesn't freely send their money overseas.

    That is naive. Government corruption and waste is not USA-specific. There is no shortage of it in Europe. Also, the USA protects and promotes its companies as well as a means to protect jobs, tax revenue, etc. It has no need to promote OSS because the dominant companies are US based. In areas where the US is not dominant there have been similar activities. Things are far more similar on both sides of the Atlantic than you suggest.

  78. Re:Do you use Symbian instead of Pocket PC? Beware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is limited user mode. Limit yourself :)

    1) Go to bluetooth preferences, make phone hidden. Make it visible just when pairing devices which you know.

    2) Use major, big sites for software download. Prefer signed applications.

    3) Use latest phone firmware (this costs money for Nokia)

    4) Do not crack applications. Do not crack applications. Do not crack applications :)