Um how about consuming fewer resources, complying with more open standards [and not just inventing more of your own], costing less, etc...
If Vista is so technologically superior, why can I get more done in Gentoo with fewer requirements? I'd really love to see Vista run with Office/etc in 256M of ram beyond crawling to death.
AMD did well not because the P4 sucked, but because the Athlon was so much better by comparison. The K8 is still holding it's own against the Core 2, despite being several years older. So I wouldn't say there is no talent at AMD, I'd say they're just smaller and can't have as many simultaneous projects going on.
If the K10 lives up to both the private and public hype [hint: I used to work at AMD...] it will give the Core2 a run for it's money. And given that it still has independent FPU and ALU pipes, and the HT links, in certain areas the K10 could actually beat the Core 2 with a solid lead.
Yeah I dunno how common the laptops are. Admittedly I haven't found a place in Ottawa that sells them like that.
To be honest, I just bought a dell laptop [well a while back, but I mean as my last laptop], with the windows tax, flashed the HD and put gentoo on it. Dell laptops tend to be fairly nice, and of course there are the warranties and all.
Actually I think they do. In Toronto there were several places where you could get a barebone laptop [e.g. case + battery + screen + motherboard] and then deck it out with the processor/memory/hd/accessories you wanted.
My compatibility comments remain valid. Also how many improvements involve extending proprietary designs like XPS, Direct3D, [the audio API], etc.
Sure my comment about what they changed was hyperbole. But the point is many of the changes are either overstated, hard to notice, or just in the wrong direction.
For example, WTF is wrong with a PS standard for printing? I use PS [or EPS] for all of my posters/books that I print and the results are professional and proper. Why doesn't Windows move towards using PS as the format fed to the printer?
If you just need a workstation, my local shop that I use has deals less than $500 [http://www.shoprbc.com/ca/shop/product_details.ph p?pid=19598]. They have boxes in all sorts of ranges [e.g. for $884 you can get a box with a dual core E6400, decent GPU, 1GB of memory, etc [http://www.shoprbc.com/ca/shop/product_details.ph p?pid=21011]]. I'm sure many "local shops" in big enough cities have similar deals.
A blank CD costs $0.30, download ubuntu yourself, burn it, install it. That will take all of a couple hours at most [most of which you can be doing other things during].
You don't have to order from Dell to get a pre-built computer of any quality.
Your troll-fu is weak. You became obvious when you said that Visual studio blows GCC out of the water.
First off, Visual Studio is not a compiler. It's an IDE/design tool. Microsoft Visual C++ is the compiler, and no, it sucks. It doesn't optimize nearly as well as gcc [and gcc is hardly the best, it falls behind things like Sun CC], and sports even less standards compliant making it a hazard to develop for.
Second, embracing OSS [as in not trying to kill it off wherever possible] gives people more reasons to run Windows not less. If the goal is to sell Windows, then it seems obvious. I should like to point out that way more people run Windows than Office. So Office is hardly the "killer" application to have.
Vista is no more of a "technology" release, as putting a spoiler and spinners on a honda is a "innovative" improvement in style.
If they were really minded towards science and altruistic academic improvements, their OS would consume less resources [and power] yet still get the same amount done as before. It would be more standards compliant to make development cheaper and more reliable, it would embrace all vendors of software, even the OSS side, etc.
Vista, in my mind, is basically a GUI change [not upgrade, just change] and explorer.exe re-write.
Put this in your noodle and ponder. Windows is the least standards compliant OS in the world [that is in current production], and YET they can't even keep their own software working with it. That is, they hold all of the cards and still can't make a play. That speaks volumes as to the quality of the shite software they put out.
When something like OpenOffice breaks in Fedora, you could say, well it's not Fedora's fault, they're aiming at UNIX/Linux standards by using industry standard libraries [X11, motif, glibc, etc, etc, etc], and the software just didn't work. But when people write for the proprietary Windows libraries and then Vista goes and breaks it all, that's just amazingly shotty engineering.
For some of us MSFT *has* been just an annoying thing of the past. I've been running Gentoo desktop/laptops for the past several years and haven't really looked back. Whenever I buy a new box the first thought in my mind is whether I have a gentoo boot CD handy or not.
That MSFT is begging people to buy Vista is just mint. I never expected Vista to sell well, mostly because it's a step back in terms of user experience from XP [and costs more in both upfront costs and hardware]. MSFT got complacent and greedy, and this is what they're left with. They could have spent their billions on making windows more industry standards compliant, or invest in useful software like OpenOffice, the gimp, GCC, etc. After all, what's the best way to sell an OS? Make sure there is software for it.
But nooooo, MSFT wanted to hog all the toys. Now the other kids just don't want to play anymore. Yipee.
This is why I love the stock market. You clearly don't have a good grasp about how fabrication works yet invest based on flaw assumptions. They're never running at "full speed" for a significant length of time. there is a long [and expensive] ramp up from design and test runs, especially when using a new process, to fully nominal yields. They can't just lease out fab time to be jumping around from project to project because nothing would get done.
AMD going fabless would just be another way to shoot themselves in the foot. Mostly due to priority restraints but also because not all of the competing fabs have the most advanced process.
AMDs biggest flaw really is that they haven't had a [significantly] new product out in a while. That isn't to say they're not making new stuff, they moved from 939 to AM2 a while back, are on track for 65nm [if not already], etc. But it seems people ignore that and are just waiting for Barcelona.
Their designs are good, processors are efficient, and costs are competitive. If anything is going to "kill AMD" it's not Intel.
Um I don't recall that, maybe that's because AMD started as a fab? They were suppliers of memories and other odds and ends ICs before they got into the CPU business with Intel. If you don't recall they were the second supplier of 8086-386 [iirc] processors. It wasn't until Intel screwed around that AMD ventured on their own.
Actually AMDs "core" business is electrical engineering and IC fabrication. They were a supplier for Intel before Intel got it's fabs if you don't remember. AMD really got in to the CPU business when Intel screwed around with the 386 and other designs. At which point AMD told them to shove it and they designed their own cores.
Nowadays I'd agree that there partnerships with IBM and other fabrication companies makes their role redundant. So I suppose you could say that today their core business should be design. And it would fit well with their buying of ATI [which iirc uses TMSC to fab their GPUs].
Hey shitface, those "jap cars" are made in America, using, surprisingly, more american parts than the traditional Ford or GM.
Besides there are plenty of strong chip fabs outside of China. IBM, TMSC and well Intel to name a few. Sony has a fab as well. There are probably dozen others.
Fabing wafers is not an unskilled labour job. So even if they did it in China it wouldn't be done by your traditional rice farmer in the field. It would have to be done by people with an education in electrical engineering, etc...
But I question, you view other countries getting fabs as a negative, as in you'll be thrown into third world conditions. Maybe I should point out that Canada, France, the UK, Ireland, Italy, Spain, etc... are not Fab leaders either. Last I checked we have plenty of ASIC designers in Canada despite the lack of fabs.
But they're EU members, it shouldn't matter eitherway. that's like Ontario and Quebec bickering over whether the border goes on one side or the other of a border town. In the grand scheme of things, yeah they're different provinces, but really it doesn't matter. Making all of Ireland belong to Ireland makes sense as it's a friggin Island.
But still, eitherway there is a conflict there that the governments have not resolved. Thus disputing the notion that the USA is the only place with turmoil on Earth [in the first world nation category that is].
The fact that England tries to have ANY claim to Ireland pisses me off. Since they're almost real members of the EU [that is the UK I mean] they should just relinquish Ireland to Ireland, and enjoy EU membership rights w.r.t. employment/travel/tourism/etc.
My post has nothing to do with the article and everything with the OPs comment that the USA is a hellhole [by comparison to the other first world nations he's been to].
My point was that just like ANY country, there are faults to be found. If anyone thinks that the states is the only country with faults they're fucking mistaken.
I've been in five [is Ireland first world? hehehe kiddin] 1st world nations and I can say there are areas of the USA that suck ass. There are areas that are ok, and places that are amazing. Depends on where you are. I can also say the same about Canada [where I live], Ireland, the UK and France.
That being said, no nation is immune from shitty politics. Look at the corruption in the Liberal party of Canada for starters [and the Senate]. Look at the handling of Northern Ireland in the UK, look at the work conditions in France, etc. Bad policies and decisions exist everywhere.
Of course I think e-voting is stupid since distributed vote counting by hand is not only easier and cheaper, but involves the public which is a good thing.
Shut up you unoriginal flake of a human being. OMG it's orwell, no it's some other cliche end of the world despair. You voted for those people. Here's a tip, take responsibility for your nation. Organize educational debates, don't put up with the riff-raff of cheap shots and empty sentiment. Get the population to actually weigh the issues on more than "which one appeals to my righteous ignorant sense of direction best."
Frankly, you all deserve the shit that happens there. So do us Canadians. Where I have the advantage [in particular] is that I don't care about the future. So as long as the fourth Reich doesn't come after me it's a-ok in my books.
Dynamic linking has it's downsides (like requiring many files to be laying around). If he statically links than the other code is inserted into his executable image which is where the question comes from.
If drugs are so bad, and eventually lead your life to ruin, why do so many people take them?
I think for many it's because they don't realize what a rotten deal they have [if they ever do] until they're so helplessly tied to MS owned file formats and way of doing things [cuz finding the print command in another office suite is ACTUALLY beyond the capabilities of some].
You're not competing against free, you're competing against the artists who choose an online distribution model. The problem is the studios still want to sell you individually plastic wrapped discs, since for whatever reason, they think it's less at risk to piracy. The solution for many is simple, sell your collections online.
Judging by itunes I'd say there is a market for people buying tunes online. That would put less pressure on making CDs and ultimately increase their profit margins since it costs less to upload an mp3 than to ship a plastic disc.
What if they choose to sell it in America later? Are all the people who pirated it going to buy it then? I doubt it.
You could re-write what you're saying like this "it's okay for me to steal the chocolate bar today, as tomorrow I'll pay twice."
No, you don't get to wandering around willy-nilly making up the rules as you go. If they don't sell it in America you'll have to import it yourself. It's that simple.
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Um how about consuming fewer resources, complying with more open standards [and not just inventing more of your own], costing less, etc...
If Vista is so technologically superior, why can I get more done in Gentoo with fewer requirements? I'd really love to see Vista run with Office/etc in 256M of ram beyond crawling to death.
Tom
AMD made 8086 and 286 parts as well.
AMD did well not because the P4 sucked, but because the Athlon was so much better by comparison. The K8 is still holding it's own against the Core 2, despite being several years older. So I wouldn't say there is no talent at AMD, I'd say they're just smaller and can't have as many simultaneous projects going on.
If the K10 lives up to both the private and public hype [hint: I used to work at AMD...] it will give the Core2 a run for it's money. And given that it still has independent FPU and ALU pipes, and the HT links, in certain areas the K10 could actually beat the Core 2 with a solid lead.
Tom
Yeah I dunno how common the laptops are. Admittedly I haven't found a place in Ottawa that sells them like that.
To be honest, I just bought a dell laptop [well a while back, but I mean as my last laptop], with the windows tax, flashed the HD and put gentoo on it. Dell laptops tend to be fairly nice, and of course there are the warranties and all.
Tom
Actually I think they do. In Toronto there were several places where you could get a barebone laptop [e.g. case + battery + screen + motherboard] and then deck it out with the processor/memory/hd/accessories you wanted.
Tom
My compatibility comments remain valid. Also how many improvements involve extending proprietary designs like XPS, Direct3D, [the audio API], etc.
Sure my comment about what they changed was hyperbole. But the point is many of the changes are either overstated, hard to notice, or just in the wrong direction.
For example, WTF is wrong with a PS standard for printing? I use PS [or EPS] for all of my posters/books that I print and the results are professional and proper. Why doesn't Windows move towards using PS as the format fed to the printer?
Tom
So it accepts inline asm with parameters right? It supports C99? etc.
I'd still much rather have a recent GCC over a recent CL any day.
Tom
Why not just buy a blank box from a local shop?
h p?pid=19598]. They have boxes in all sorts of ranges [e.g. for $884 you can get a box with a dual core E6400, decent GPU, 1GB of memory, etc [http://www.shoprbc.com/ca/shop/product_details.ph p?pid=21011]]. I'm sure many "local shops" in big enough cities have similar deals.
If you just need a workstation, my local shop that I use has deals less than $500 [http://www.shoprbc.com/ca/shop/product_details.p
A blank CD costs $0.30, download ubuntu yourself, burn it, install it. That will take all of a couple hours at most [most of which you can be doing other things during].
You don't have to order from Dell to get a pre-built computer of any quality.
Tom
Your troll-fu is weak. You became obvious when you said that Visual studio blows GCC out of the water.
First off, Visual Studio is not a compiler. It's an IDE/design tool. Microsoft Visual C++ is the compiler, and no, it sucks. It doesn't optimize nearly as well as gcc [and gcc is hardly the best, it falls behind things like Sun CC], and sports even less standards compliant making it a hazard to develop for.
Second, embracing OSS [as in not trying to kill it off wherever possible] gives people more reasons to run Windows not less. If the goal is to sell Windows, then it seems obvious. I should like to point out that way more people run Windows than Office. So Office is hardly the "killer" application to have.
Tom
Vista is no more of a "technology" release, as putting a spoiler and spinners on a honda is a "innovative" improvement in style.
If they were really minded towards science and altruistic academic improvements, their OS would consume less resources [and power] yet still get the same amount done as before. It would be more standards compliant to make development cheaper and more reliable, it would embrace all vendors of software, even the OSS side, etc.
Vista, in my mind, is basically a GUI change [not upgrade, just change] and explorer.exe re-write.
Put this in your noodle and ponder. Windows is the least standards compliant OS in the world [that is in current production], and YET they can't even keep their own software working with it. That is, they hold all of the cards and still can't make a play. That speaks volumes as to the quality of the shite software they put out.
When something like OpenOffice breaks in Fedora, you could say, well it's not Fedora's fault, they're aiming at UNIX/Linux standards by using industry standard libraries [X11, motif, glibc, etc, etc, etc], and the software just didn't work. But when people write for the proprietary Windows libraries and then Vista goes and breaks it all, that's just amazingly shotty engineering.
Tom
For some of us MSFT *has* been just an annoying thing of the past. I've been running Gentoo desktop/laptops for the past several years and haven't really looked back. Whenever I buy a new box the first thought in my mind is whether I have a gentoo boot CD handy or not.
That MSFT is begging people to buy Vista is just mint. I never expected Vista to sell well, mostly because it's a step back in terms of user experience from XP [and costs more in both upfront costs and hardware]. MSFT got complacent and greedy, and this is what they're left with. They could have spent their billions on making windows more industry standards compliant, or invest in useful software like OpenOffice, the gimp, GCC, etc. After all, what's the best way to sell an OS? Make sure there is software for it.
But nooooo, MSFT wanted to hog all the toys. Now the other kids just don't want to play anymore. Yipee.
Tom
This is why I love the stock market. You clearly don't have a good grasp about how fabrication works yet invest based on flaw assumptions. They're never running at "full speed" for a significant length of time. there is a long [and expensive] ramp up from design and test runs, especially when using a new process, to fully nominal yields. They can't just lease out fab time to be jumping around from project to project because nothing would get done.
AMD going fabless would just be another way to shoot themselves in the foot. Mostly due to priority restraints but also because not all of the competing fabs have the most advanced process.
AMDs biggest flaw really is that they haven't had a [significantly] new product out in a while. That isn't to say they're not making new stuff, they moved from 939 to AM2 a while back, are on track for 65nm [if not already], etc. But it seems people ignore that and are just waiting for Barcelona.
Their designs are good, processors are efficient, and costs are competitive. If anything is going to "kill AMD" it's not Intel.
Tom
Um I don't recall that, maybe that's because AMD started as a fab? They were suppliers of memories and other odds and ends ICs before they got into the CPU business with Intel. If you don't recall they were the second supplier of 8086-386 [iirc] processors. It wasn't until Intel screwed around that AMD ventured on their own.
Tom
Actually AMDs "core" business is electrical engineering and IC fabrication. They were a supplier for Intel before Intel got it's fabs if you don't remember. AMD really got in to the CPU business when Intel screwed around with the 386 and other designs. At which point AMD told them to shove it and they designed their own cores.
Nowadays I'd agree that there partnerships with IBM and other fabrication companies makes their role redundant. So I suppose you could say that today their core business should be design. And it would fit well with their buying of ATI [which iirc uses TMSC to fab their GPUs].
Tom
Hey shitface, those "jap cars" are made in America, using, surprisingly, more american parts than the traditional Ford or GM.
Besides there are plenty of strong chip fabs outside of China. IBM, TMSC and well Intel to name a few. Sony has a fab as well. There are probably dozen others.
Fabing wafers is not an unskilled labour job. So even if they did it in China it wouldn't be done by your traditional rice farmer in the field. It would have to be done by people with an education in electrical engineering, etc...
But I question, you view other countries getting fabs as a negative, as in you'll be thrown into third world conditions. Maybe I should point out that Canada, France, the UK, Ireland, Italy, Spain, etc... are not Fab leaders either. Last I checked we have plenty of ASIC designers in Canada despite the lack of fabs.
But they're EU members, it shouldn't matter eitherway. that's like Ontario and Quebec bickering over whether the border goes on one side or the other of a border town. In the grand scheme of things, yeah they're different provinces, but really it doesn't matter. Making all of Ireland belong to Ireland makes sense as it's a friggin Island.
But still, eitherway there is a conflict there that the governments have not resolved. Thus disputing the notion that the USA is the only place with turmoil on Earth [in the first world nation category that is].
Tom
The fact that England tries to have ANY claim to Ireland pisses me off. Since they're almost real members of the EU [that is the UK I mean] they should just relinquish Ireland to Ireland, and enjoy EU membership rights w.r.t. employment/travel/tourism/etc.
My post has nothing to do with the article and everything with the OPs comment that the USA is a hellhole [by comparison to the other first world nations he's been to].
My point was that just like ANY country, there are faults to be found. If anyone thinks that the states is the only country with faults they're fucking mistaken.
Tom
"stan" is a reference to a quote from Family guy. The rest of the comment is an observation on my current lack of the lady friends.
Tom
I've been in five [is Ireland first world? hehehe kiddin] 1st world nations and I can say there are areas of the USA that suck ass. There are areas that are ok, and places that are amazing. Depends on where you are. I can also say the same about Canada [where I live], Ireland, the UK and France.
That being said, no nation is immune from shitty politics. Look at the corruption in the Liberal party of Canada for starters [and the Senate]. Look at the handling of Northern Ireland in the UK, look at the work conditions in France, etc. Bad policies and decisions exist everywhere.
Of course I think e-voting is stupid since distributed vote counting by hand is not only easier and cheaper, but involves the public which is a good thing.
Tom
Shut up you unoriginal flake of a human being. OMG it's orwell, no it's some other cliche end of the world despair. You voted for those people. Here's a tip, take responsibility for your nation. Organize educational debates, don't put up with the riff-raff of cheap shots and empty sentiment. Get the population to actually weigh the issues on more than "which one appeals to my righteous ignorant sense of direction best."
Frankly, you all deserve the shit that happens there. So do us Canadians. Where I have the advantage [in particular] is that I don't care about the future. So as long as the fourth Reich doesn't come after me it's a-ok in my books.
Tom
Buy a guitar or piano and learn to play music. There are other things in life than watching TV.
Heck, you want a challenge, find a way for me to get a date on Friday that doesn't involve a "rough trick named stan" and I'd salute you.
Tom
Shhh it's a make work project. We were taught [in Canada] that 1g = 1ml = 1cm^3.
Tom
Dynamic linking has it's downsides (like requiring many files to be laying around). If he statically links than the other code is inserted into his executable image which is where the question comes from.
Tom
If drugs are so bad, and eventually lead your life to ruin, why do so many people take them?
I think for many it's because they don't realize what a rotten deal they have [if they ever do] until they're so helplessly tied to MS owned file formats and way of doing things [cuz finding the print command in another office suite is ACTUALLY beyond the capabilities of some].
Tom
You're not competing against free, you're competing against the artists who choose an online distribution model. The problem is the studios still want to sell you individually plastic wrapped discs, since for whatever reason, they think it's less at risk to piracy. The solution for many is simple, sell your collections online.
Judging by itunes I'd say there is a market for people buying tunes online. That would put less pressure on making CDs and ultimately increase their profit margins since it costs less to upload an mp3 than to ship a plastic disc.
Tom
What if they choose to sell it in America later? Are all the people who pirated it going to buy it then? I doubt it.
You could re-write what you're saying like this "it's okay for me to steal the chocolate bar today, as tomorrow I'll pay twice."
No, you don't get to wandering around willy-nilly making up the rules as you go. If they don't sell it in America you'll have to import it yourself. It's that simple.
Tom