There is a difference between a test which you prepared for [by attending class, doing labs, etc] and you found easy and a test purposefully dumbed down as to ensure the vast majority of the class passes.
I mean when I went from high school to college [well it's community college] I actually bumped my average from 65% to around 90% for the first three semesters. It was so ridiculously beneath myself that I simply lost interest [and hence my downward spiral after fourth semester].
In high school I never walked into a test [outside of computer science] thinking "in and out in 15 mins or the next one's free!".
I literally recently wrote a communication midterm in 18 minutes [you're given an hour] and I scored around 15% above the class average!!! And I haven't studied for a class since my O.A.C year in high school!
As for your schooling it sounds like your exactly not the type I'm talking about. You should hang out with undergrads or community college students and ask them "hey anyone here want to dedicate thousands of hours to a cool open source project, take flames from asshats, compliments from users and not get paid a dime for it?"....;-o
I'll let you in on a little tip. Until your 18 in Canada [at least] you're not actually allowed [by law] to skip classes. The school is responsible for your well being during the day and if you go missing it's them who get looked at [at least initially].
Ever hear the saying "you can show a horse the water but you can't make him drink?" that's not just clever it's also what the christian right would call "divine". While I'm not a religious type I do swing for "choice".
It's upto the 14 year old kid to *choose* to act responsibly. It's one thing to show them what responsibility is but it's another for them to actually follow it.
It's because of people like you that I sit in a college where "easy tests" is a good thing. The students don't actually think of learning as a good thing. It's just something they were told they have to do. So in the end even with college grads we end up with [on average from what I've seen] really stupid, unmotivated greedy induhviduals.
I still routinely get the "why do you write free software when charging for it can make money" bit from people ranging from students to 52 year old retired HP engineers.
Hardly anyone does anything [particularly in academia] for the simple pleasure of doing a good job, learning something new and giving back to the community.
You say "we are doomed if we let the children fail" and I'm saying we're already doomed.
As for the "unwarranted searches" um well again it's public property. "Your" locker is actually "their" locker. "Your" safety is everyones safety.
Of course I speak as someone who finished high school without metal detectors on the doors...
The bigger problem I see is you can't really force discipline and respect on children anyways. I mean you can show them how their actions have consequences and all but if the child doesn't take it upon themselves to straighten up there isn't much you can.
For instance, a couple of years ago [ok so roughly 8 or so] the high school I went to started a "10 missed classes and you're suspended". Did that stop skipping? Did that make the students more respectful of the teachers and their peers [specially in grade 9, the first year of high school for us...]? Hell no.
By contrast the "advanced stream" [basically get >60% in advanced courses] I was in was mostly populated with students who behaved themselves, got through the lectures and participated in class. We chose to act like adults we weren't forced to do so.
So left to their own devices most children would come around on their own. The ones who don't want to can live exciting lives with a grade 10 education.
So all this RFID thing is going todo is breed more contempt for "authority" on the part of the students who in my mind are already a bunch of punkagers anyways.
As for "privacy" concerns... um there are none. You're in PUBLIC while at a PUBLIC SCHOOL. So long as the RFID tag is encrypted or something [e.g. not plaintext stored on it] and it's easy to stow when not on campus I don't see the huge security concern.
Large corporations can [and get] sued just as easily as single person shops.
I'm sure if IBM wanted to squash a 30 person "company" [even legitimately] it would be no harder than squashing a one person company.
As for job security [or career security] um wake the fuck up. Even in a huge corporation [such as Bell, Nortel, Microsoft, IBM, etc...] "lay-offs" are always a looming threat when the C's want their pay hikes.
At least if you work for yourself and get laid off you're the only person you can blame;-)
Speak for yourself monkey man. I have some self-control. If the game isn't out for xbox, ps2, gameboy [which I use for pocknetNES mostly] or Linux x86-64 then I don't care for it.
Half life 2 may be a cool game and all but until they release a Linux release [re: never] I won't play it on any of my machines.
Tom
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Factoring specifically has nothing todo with anything that can break DSA. Improvements in NFS related algorithms could however... Also we still have ECC and a few lattice algos left [NTRU anyone?]
I wouldn't worry too much about it though. While I expect new algorithms [probably not even NFS based] to be invented at some point it probably won't be tommorow.
You are limited by the b-day paradox though assuming all k-bit signatures are equally likely...
Algorithms based on quadratic equations [QWARTZ comes to mind] are usually touted as "super fast and small" and usually turn out to be just small and insecure [or otherwise too obscure to implement].
If you want to lower the size of signatures used in your system redesign your system. Do batch signatures for instance.
First off, discount all "insecure" solutions to a problem. Now judge the remaining solutions.
It's really easy to write a "simple to use" insecure OS [for instance] then one where the user must actually login, use privilege separation, etc...
For instance, saying "oh GPG is too hard to use compared to MegaSuperUltraCrypt 9000 (tm)" is kinda meaningless if the latter is hopelessly insecure by comparison.
Does security require work on the part of the user? Yes. There is no way getting around that. You have to carry a token and/or memorize a password for authentiation [for instance]. Not much you can do to get around that.
One of the big things that peeves me about customers is when they say thing like "we don't want to have to do that" and the only legitimate answer you can give them is "you're going to have to and this is why."
So far I've been lucky and with a clear explanation they agree to my designs [in all 3 consulting gigs I've had...] but being patient is key I guess.
Sections 309 through 315 of the Canadian Criminal Code.
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/c-46/42515.html
The jist of it
- Always must be reasonably true 309 - public interest 310 - public conduct in public affairs 311 - past public interest 312 - if it was invited 313 - you were asked for it 314 - relevent character reference 315 - "righting a wrong"
So just because something is true doesn't mean you can always publish it. For example, a company can't legally black ball you unless it's relevent to the employement.
For example, if you make for a bad waiter the company can't then turn to your next employer [who is seeking a reference] and say "he's a lousy candidate for taxi driver because he can't wait tables". [ok admitedly far fetched example but...]
It wouldn't be relevent to the new job and therefore the "contempt" shown and saught "section 298" would be libel.
In Canada the "truth" has to be in the publics best interest as well.
So yes, technically outing a co-worker because they were actually a bed-wetter in the 9th grade could be libelous even if it's true and well documented.
Speaking as someone accused of libel [and successfully backed the person off in one fell swoop of the CCC] I know what constitutes libel [at least in Canada].
The jist of Libel is [around section 297-8 of the CCC]
s297 - In sections 303, 304 and 308, "newspaper" means any paper, magazine or periodical containing public news, intelligence or reports of events, or any remarks or observations thereon, printed for sale and published periodically or in parts or numbers, at intervals not exceeding thirty-one days between the publication of any two such papers, parts or numbers, and any paper, magazine or periodical printed in order to be dispersed and made public, weekly or more often, or at intervals not exceeding thirty-one days, that contains advertisements, exclusively or principally.
s298 - (1) A defamatory libel is matter published, without lawful justification or excuse, that is likely to injure the reputation of any person by exposing him to hatred, contempt or ridicule, or that is designed to insult the person of or concerning whom it is published.
However, my defense [IIRC section 309] was
s309 - No person shall be deemed to publish a defamatory libel by reason only that he publishes defamatory matter that, on reasonable grounds, he believes is true, and that is relevant to any subject of public interest, the public discussion of which is for the public benefit.
In my case I was outing a crypto troll in sci.crypt;-)
URL for these sections http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/c-46/42515.html
at a star trek con... three words. Babylon five uniform.
Then when someone calls you stupid for dressing in the wrong get up point a mirror in their face and tell them their mother did a bad job with the uniform.
I agree. These rather wasteful supercomputers are getting less and less impressive.
You know what would be impressive? Published results!
I mean they consume gobs of resources [power, material, waste]. That's not impressive. That's an American city block. What would be impressive is having to show for it at the end of the day.
If GIMP guys cared so much about rivalling Adobe they would have produced an Adobe clone [or better] by now. Clearly they're either lazy or just not trying to replace Adobe.
And it's not about being "cheap". If all you want todo is import a photo, crop it and save [or other such tasks] Adobe is an expensive overkill.
If you have to edit prints for a commercial purpose you probably want the best tools to do the job.
Just like back in the day when GCC wasn't the best [well for x86] compiler around. The kids [hey me!] used DJGPP and the pros used Watcom. Watcom optimized better and produced code that ran faster. You wouldn't say a DJGPP user is "cheap" if they're not producing commercial code.
Photoshop is a COMMERCIAL package. Gimp is a FREE package. Likely if you're in the business of doctoring females and selling product you can afford a Photoshop site license.
Gimp is more for say "the rest" of us who just want to be able to "manipulate" an image without forking over $$$ or pirating a copy.
And why the sudden urge to smoke? My parents smoked. My babysitters [when I was 7] smoked. None of my friends smoke [by design] and even if they did I wouldn't follow their footsteps.
Maybe they continue to smoke [at first] because of the rush but I can't imagine they continue to smoke [after a year] or even start because of the rush. It's the same thing with drinking.
Yeah cuz holes in your lungs and a retarded year-long cough is what "feels good".
Smokers claim it feels good as an excuse. Just like people who drink pop like the taste [which is hard to believe considering what it actually is].
I may live with my parents but that's because I didn't drop out of school to find any burger joint job so I can be "teh awesomes" while I live in a shitty apartment with my teenage pregnant wife.
I decided to attend college and build up my talents as a software developer and cryptographer. Oh for fucking shame.
Who said the way you're implying to live [e.g. move out quick, find *any* job and live with it] is the best? I know many people who did that and they're basically struggling to get both classes and $$$ work done on time. They'll finish College without any discernable talents because they will be one of 600 other grads.
I pay rent to my parents, I pay my own bills. Just I don't pay as much [I pay about 600$/month in bills]. The extra time I have I spend on my projects like the LibTom series of consulting which further set me apart from the "diploma mill" grads I'll be graduating with.
Of course maybe that's because I can tolerate my parents and not act like a little prissy punkager who must "hate his parents" cuz it's uncool to think otherwise.
Yeah like totally for sure. I mean all you have todo is hide your smokes in your prodda then jett with your nikes when the fuzz comes around to bust ya.
Mind if I swig some $CHEAP_BEER cuz I'm totally needing to fake being drunk off 37mL of 2.5% alcohol. Like you know, "independent".
"Punkagers" as I call them [and I'm only 22 so you can figure out how much I hate conformity] like to be totally rebellious doing the stupidest shit.
Sure I had a beer [one] when I was 17 [before the legal age of 19]. But I wasn't particularly proud of it [to the point of bragging]. I was at an office party and had a beer. Whoopy-fucking-doo. Did I then turn into a lush because it was "cool" to drink? No. See I have the ability to reason that being a total fucking sheep isn't exactly how I'm going to spend my short life span on Earth.
You know how I "rebelled" in school? I read TAOCP [re: Knuth] during finite math classes [statistics] to the point where I got a detention for missing work. Then in detention I decided I was going to keep reading it.
While perhaps "nerdy" in my way of rebellion [cuz not many 18 yr olds read TAOCP] it did help out. I just finished my second contract consulting gig and I'm not even finished College yet. I've had a speaking appearance already too, etc...
It's all too easy to conform with your buddies and do the $POPULAR_EVENT_OF_WEEK. It's more meaningful and character defining to have your own path.
You smoked not because of the buzz but because you wanted to fit in with your buddies. I'm sure you were apprehensive of smoking at first and your friends all grew "mob mentality". I'm sure if you were a loner you probably wouldn't have started.
Before anyone mentions that loners have social tendencies like drinking/etc it's usually to act like others too [or some misguided goal of obtaining the allusive high]
Point is.... I hope you die of lung cancer in a car fire you fucking piece of shit smoker. Smokers are the rudest mean small little people who care shit all for the people around them because they think it's their "right" to pollute your lungs with the hate of some greedy monopolistic company trying to leverage a synergy between your wallet and their bank accounts.
So smoke up you vile smoking filth. You'll die painfully some day.
I realize that convention specifies the $ goes first. I'm just saying when I wrote the message where I put the $ wasn't my focus. In my mind though it makes sense to put it last not first.
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There is a difference between a test which you prepared for [by attending class, doing labs, etc] and you found easy and a test purposefully dumbed down as to ensure the vast majority of the class passes.
... ;-o
I mean when I went from high school to college [well it's community college] I actually bumped my average from 65% to around 90% for the first three semesters. It was so ridiculously beneath myself that I simply lost interest [and hence my downward spiral after fourth semester].
In high school I never walked into a test [outside of computer science] thinking "in and out in 15 mins or the next one's free!".
I literally recently wrote a communication midterm in 18 minutes [you're given an hour] and I scored around 15% above the class average!!! And I haven't studied for a class since my O.A.C year in high school!
As for your schooling it sounds like your exactly not the type I'm talking about. You should hang out with undergrads or community college students and ask them "hey anyone here want to dedicate thousands of hours to a cool open source project, take flames from asshats, compliments from users and not get paid a dime for it?".
Tom
I'll let you in on a little tip. Until your 18 in Canada [at least] you're not actually allowed [by law] to skip classes. The school is responsible for your well being during the day and if you go missing it's them who get looked at [at least initially].
Ever hear the saying "you can show a horse the water but you can't make him drink?" that's not just clever it's also what the christian right would call "divine". While I'm not a religious type I do swing for "choice".
It's upto the 14 year old kid to *choose* to act responsibly. It's one thing to show them what responsibility is but it's another for them to actually follow it.
It's because of people like you that I sit in a college where "easy tests" is a good thing. The students don't actually think of learning as a good thing. It's just something they were told they have to do. So in the end even with college grads we end up with [on average from what I've seen] really stupid, unmotivated greedy induhviduals.
I still routinely get the "why do you write free software when charging for it can make money" bit from people ranging from students to 52 year old retired HP engineers.
Hardly anyone does anything [particularly in academia] for the simple pleasure of doing a good job, learning something new and giving back to the community.
You say "we are doomed if we let the children fail" and I'm saying we're already doomed.
As for the "unwarranted searches" um well again it's public property. "Your" locker is actually "their" locker. "Your" safety is everyones safety.
Of course I speak as someone who finished high school without metal detectors on the doors...
Tom
The bigger problem I see is you can't really force discipline and respect on children anyways. I mean you can show them how their actions have consequences and all but if the child doesn't take it upon themselves to straighten up there isn't much you can.
For instance, a couple of years ago [ok so roughly 8 or so] the high school I went to started a "10 missed classes and you're suspended". Did that stop skipping? Did that make the students more respectful of the teachers and their peers [specially in grade 9, the first year of high school for us...]? Hell no.
By contrast the "advanced stream" [basically get >60% in advanced courses] I was in was mostly populated with students who behaved themselves, got through the lectures and participated in class. We chose to act like adults we weren't forced to do so.
So left to their own devices most children would come around on their own. The ones who don't want to can live exciting lives with a grade 10 education.
So all this RFID thing is going todo is breed more contempt for "authority" on the part of the students who in my mind are already a bunch of punkagers anyways.
As for "privacy" concerns... um there are none. You're in PUBLIC while at a PUBLIC SCHOOL. So long as the RFID tag is encrypted or something [e.g. not plaintext stored on it] and it's easy to stow when not on campus I don't see the huge security concern.
Tom
Large corporations can [and get] sued just as easily as single person shops.
;-)
I'm sure if IBM wanted to squash a 30 person "company" [even legitimately] it would be no harder than squashing a one person company.
As for job security [or career security] um wake the fuck up. Even in a huge corporation [such as Bell, Nortel, Microsoft, IBM, etc...] "lay-offs" are always a looming threat when the C's want their pay hikes.
At least if you work for yourself and get laid off you're the only person you can blame
Tom
People still use windows? Christ almight folk... get with the program!
Tom
Speak for yourself monkey man. I have some self-control. If the game isn't out for xbox, ps2, gameboy [which I use for pocknetNES mostly] or Linux x86-64 then I don't care for it.
Half life 2 may be a cool game and all but until they release a Linux release [re: never] I won't play it on any of my machines.
Tom
Factoring specifically has nothing todo with anything that can break DSA. Improvements in NFS related algorithms could however... Also we still have ECC and a few lattice algos left [NTRU anyone?]
I wouldn't worry too much about it though. While I expect new algorithms [probably not even NFS based] to be invented at some point it probably won't be tommorow.
Tom
You are limited by the b-day paradox though assuming all k-bit signatures are equally likely...
Algorithms based on quadratic equations [QWARTZ comes to mind] are usually touted as "super fast and small" and usually turn out to be just small and insecure [or otherwise too obscure to implement].
If you want to lower the size of signatures used in your system redesign your system. Do batch signatures for instance.
Tom
Biometrics alone aren't sufficient and aren't really suitable for all tasks.
Proper security relies on several credentials, e.g. things you have, things you know, etc...
a pin + biometrics for example, could be much more secure than biometrics alone. pin + smart card + biometrics would be even better.
Tom
Wrong question.
First off, discount all "insecure" solutions to a problem. Now judge the remaining solutions.
It's really easy to write a "simple to use" insecure OS [for instance] then one where the user must actually login, use privilege separation, etc...
For instance, saying "oh GPG is too hard to use compared to MegaSuperUltraCrypt 9000 (tm)" is kinda meaningless if the latter is hopelessly insecure by comparison.
Does security require work on the part of the user? Yes. There is no way getting around that. You have to carry a token and/or memorize a password for authentiation [for instance]. Not much you can do to get around that.
One of the big things that peeves me about customers is when they say thing like "we don't want to have to do that" and the only legitimate answer you can give them is "you're going to have to and this is why."
So far I've been lucky and with a clear explanation they agree to my designs [in all 3 consulting gigs I've had...] but being patient is key I guess.
Tom
Sections 309 through 315 of the Canadian Criminal Code.
...]
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/c-46/42515.html
The jist of it
- Always must be reasonably true
309 - public interest
310 - public conduct in public affairs
311 - past public interest
312 - if it was invited
313 - you were asked for it
314 - relevent character reference
315 - "righting a wrong"
So just because something is true doesn't mean you can always publish it. For example, a company can't legally black ball you unless it's relevent to the employement.
For example, if you make for a bad waiter the company can't then turn to your next employer [who is seeking a reference] and say "he's a lousy candidate for taxi driver because he can't wait tables". [ok admitedly far fetched example but
It wouldn't be relevent to the new job and therefore the "contempt" shown and saught "section 298" would be libel.
Tom
In Canada the "truth" has to be in the publics best interest as well.
So yes, technically outing a co-worker because they were actually a bed-wetter in the 9th grade could be libelous even if it's true and well documented.
Tom
Speaking as someone accused of libel [and successfully backed the person off in one fell swoop of the CCC] I know what constitutes libel [at least in Canada].
;-)
The jist of Libel is [around section 297-8 of the CCC]
s297 - In sections 303, 304 and 308, "newspaper" means any paper, magazine or periodical containing public news, intelligence or reports of events, or any remarks or observations thereon, printed for sale and published periodically or in parts or numbers, at intervals not exceeding thirty-one days between the publication of any two such papers, parts or numbers, and any paper, magazine or periodical printed in order to be dispersed and made public, weekly or more often, or at intervals not exceeding thirty-one days, that contains advertisements, exclusively or principally.
s298 - (1) A defamatory libel is matter published, without lawful justification or excuse, that is likely to injure the reputation of any person by exposing him to hatred, contempt or ridicule, or that is designed to insult the person of or concerning whom it is published.
However, my defense [IIRC section 309] was
s309 - No person shall be deemed to publish a defamatory libel by reason only that he publishes defamatory matter that, on reasonable grounds, he believes is true, and that is relevant to any subject of public interest, the public discussion of which is for the public benefit.
In my case I was outing a crypto troll in sci.crypt
URL for these sections http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/c-46/42515.html
Tom
at a star trek con... three words. Babylon five uniform.
Then when someone calls you stupid for dressing in the wrong get up point a mirror in their face and tell them their mother did a bad job with the uniform.
Tom
I agree. These rather wasteful supercomputers are getting less and less impressive.
You know what would be impressive? Published results!
I mean they consume gobs of resources [power, material, waste]. That's not impressive. That's an American city block. What would be impressive is having to show for it at the end of the day.
Tom
If GIMP guys cared so much about rivalling Adobe they would have produced an Adobe clone [or better] by now. Clearly they're either lazy or just not trying to replace Adobe.
And it's not about being "cheap". If all you want todo is import a photo, crop it and save [or other such tasks] Adobe is an expensive overkill.
If you have to edit prints for a commercial purpose you probably want the best tools to do the job.
Just like back in the day when GCC wasn't the best [well for x86] compiler around. The kids [hey me!] used DJGPP and the pros used Watcom. Watcom optimized better and produced code that ran faster. You wouldn't say a DJGPP user is "cheap" if they're not producing commercial code.
Tom
I always find comment like this retarded.
Photoshop is a COMMERCIAL package. Gimp is a FREE package. Likely if you're in the business of doctoring females and selling product you can afford a Photoshop site license.
Gimp is more for say "the rest" of us who just want to be able to "manipulate" an image without forking over $$$ or pirating a copy.
They're not intended for the exact same audience.
Tom
And why the sudden urge to smoke? My parents smoked. My babysitters [when I was 7] smoked. None of my friends smoke [by design] and even if they did I wouldn't follow their footsteps.
Maybe they continue to smoke [at first] because of the rush but I can't imagine they continue to smoke [after a year] or even start because of the rush. It's the same thing with drinking.
Yeah cuz holes in your lungs and a retarded year-long cough is what "feels good".
Smokers claim it feels good as an excuse. Just like people who drink pop like the taste [which is hard to believe considering what it actually is].
I may live with my parents but that's because I didn't drop out of school to find any burger joint job so I can be "teh awesomes" while I live in a shitty apartment with my teenage pregnant wife.
I decided to attend college and build up my talents as a software developer and cryptographer. Oh for fucking shame.
Who said the way you're implying to live [e.g. move out quick, find *any* job and live with it] is the best? I know many people who did that and they're basically struggling to get both classes and $$$ work done on time. They'll finish College without any discernable talents because they will be one of 600 other grads.
I pay rent to my parents, I pay my own bills. Just I don't pay as much [I pay about 600$/month in bills]. The extra time I have I spend on my projects like the LibTom series of consulting which further set me apart from the "diploma mill" grads I'll be graduating with.
Of course maybe that's because I can tolerate my parents and not act like a little prissy punkager who must "hate his parents" cuz it's uncool to think otherwise.
Tom
I'm addicted to the sweet sweet love of caffeine.
Tom
Yeah like totally for sure. I mean all you have todo is hide your smokes in your prodda then jett with your nikes when the fuzz comes around to bust ya.
Mind if I swig some $CHEAP_BEER cuz I'm totally needing to fake being drunk off 37mL of 2.5% alcohol. Like you know, "independent".
"Punkagers" as I call them [and I'm only 22 so you can figure out how much I hate conformity] like to be totally rebellious doing the stupidest shit.
Sure I had a beer [one] when I was 17 [before the legal age of 19]. But I wasn't particularly proud of it [to the point of bragging]. I was at an office party and had a beer. Whoopy-fucking-doo. Did I then turn into a lush because it was "cool" to drink? No. See I have the ability to reason that being a total fucking sheep isn't exactly how I'm going to spend my short life span on Earth.
You know how I "rebelled" in school? I read TAOCP [re: Knuth] during finite math classes [statistics] to the point where I got a detention for missing work. Then in detention I decided I was going to keep reading it.
While perhaps "nerdy" in my way of rebellion [cuz not many 18 yr olds read TAOCP] it did help out. I just finished my second contract consulting gig and I'm not even finished College yet. I've had a speaking appearance already too, etc...
It's all too easy to conform with your buddies and do the $POPULAR_EVENT_OF_WEEK. It's more meaningful and character defining to have your own path.
You smoked not because of the buzz but because you wanted to fit in with your buddies. I'm sure you were apprehensive of smoking at first and your friends all grew "mob mentality". I'm sure if you were a loner you probably wouldn't have started.
Before anyone mentions that loners have social tendencies like drinking/etc it's usually to act like others too [or some misguided goal of obtaining the allusive high]
Point is.... I hope you die of lung cancer in a car fire you fucking piece of shit smoker. Smokers are the rudest mean small little people who care shit all for the people around them because they think it's their "right" to pollute your lungs with the hate of some greedy monopolistic company trying to leverage a synergy between your wallet and their bank accounts.
So smoke up you vile smoking filth. You'll die painfully some day.
Tom
I realize that convention specifies the $ goes first. I'm just saying when I wrote the message where I put the $ wasn't my focus. In my mind though it makes sense to put it last not first.
Tom
It makes sense to me.
I mean you don't have a Ghz2.2 cpu do you? $ is a unit of currency. It should follow the number not preceed it.
It's C24 in my room and currently h23m00!
Tom
Yeah well my 2.2Ghz AMD64 only generates half of the heat as your G5 with a 2500RPM fan [re: quiet] for cooling ;-)
Hehehe...Idling nicely at 24.5C right now...
[And yes, I'm just joking around. G5s are cool in their own right]
Tom
Though not apples/oranges I got my 3200+ NewCastle for 295$ CDN. It's a shit load faster than my P4 2.8Ghz I replaced [which cost me 260$ CDN].
I can't fathom other than sheer ignorance why someone would buy a 1000$ CPU without doing just a "little" research...
Tom