Have we all been ignoring the gpl here, or is this overwelming frustration we all have just causing us to be blindsided.... Caldera WAS RELEASED by SCO-CORP (yes, later it was spun off) BUT the same company is suing IBM (and harassing companies) for using what they legally gave their rights away from.
This hasn't even made it to court yet, but when it does I REALLY hope a motion for dismissal is filed based upon this very fact. (Then again, most motions for dismissal are ignored if the slightest evidence precludes them... so holding a CD with the *offending* code Labeled *CALDERA LINUX* would surely have some legal holes, what I have no idea... but then again IANAL.)
80$ for a piece of crud OS, or $3.50 for a work in progress, that you can modify without any restrictions upon your personal use. Yeah... they had any chance at all vs. linux.
Besides, they should be suing the chinese gov't..... or perhaps heading to munich with a few lawyers.... or perhaps this is all US legal FUD that wouldn't hold up in any other courtsystem in the world. Yeah I think that's it.
This has been the case all along. BSD has been the linux alternative for ages. Even Linus himself said "If bsdx86 had been around there probably wouldn't be linux" or something near that.
As much as the relgious debacle goes between BSD and Linux, the decision has always been preference.
SCO has forced preference of BSD onto me. I already have preference towards Solaris in the high end market, and Microsoft used BSD for hotmail *heh* so yeah... if I am *forced* to license linux, I will nuke it, and BSD it, so bite me SCO.
I can't believe how much stupidity is being pushed on our community, all of which could be solved by a "filename.c [linenumber-linuenumber]" even if there is some dispute as to whether or not it's unique. Rewrite it and viola, not issue. So attempting to extort the community will not be effective in any case.
heh.... I anticipated this, the first 5 seconds I saw the link I mailed this to every mailbox I could think of. They may be able to claim whatever they want relating to the release of WASTE but they can't remove the fact that it WAS released under the GPL.
AOL can't take the source away from me... or the hundreds of thousands of other downloads. Just like SCO can't take away my dozens of linux cds.... (or force me to license them.)
So... Justin Frankel is the author of that word document. I would bet he attached the GPL to the code as well. So, what is the point? He attached it because it most likely contains GPL code, so the license would seem to make sense.
So i say to you AOL: you released the source (if even by proxy) under the GPL. (which looks kosher to me) How can you claim rights on something which you no longer have control over?
If you do dictate who owns it, then those who wish to code it, will keep it out of the GPL, and possibly not even OSS it.
They own no software patents directly. Novell has refuted their claims, (Novell owns the patents, gets 95% of revenue generated, and SCO bottom feeds the last 5%.) Screw SCO and the horse they rode in on
IANAL but, If they claim ownership of Linux IP, which they released under the GPL (see caldera linux, way back machine) and they are claiming ownership of sources, that they themselves distributed under the GPL....
It seems to me, that the easiest thing to do, would be for the Linux community to come out and say "We don't believe you do own X and X" Buttt.... "Since you released linux, we will grant you GPL license over the code in question...." It would be a smack in the face of the real developers, (if the code in question really is unique) and would actually HELP their claims that they *OWN* that IP... but they would own a freely distributed GPL'd source... so... they would be screwed.
You can throttle your bandwith with bittorrent to begin with, --maxupload_rate or somesuch... or, better yet use TC.... why this is even an issue, I don't know. Throttling your upload is something some people MUST do. Others just leech anyways... and besides, it's in python, so nothing is really stoping anyone from altering BT if this feature WASN'T included (which it is)
Ads aren't the only way to make money. You need to play gigs, even if playing gigs means not eating like a rock star, or driving the best car. You can't get exposure unless you play. Bands are seldom made overnight, and many bands (smashmouth comes to mind) play for years *10-20 is not unheard of* before making it big. Be patient, the RIAA isn't the cause of *ALL* the worlds problems.... yet.
SCO: YOU ARE USING OUR IP UNLICENSED PAY US BIG MONEY. IBM:...Linux is the work of thousands of developers around the world, your claim is baseless. SCO: WE HAVE PROOF IBM: Show us. SCO: NO! IBM: Fine, we'll go to court. SCO: WHAT? YOU DON'T WANT TO BUY US? IBM: Our Lawyers are better than your lawyers. neener neener
The XBOX is the cheapest MP3 network appliance I have. However, the Hard-drive leaves much to be desired. The fact that I can use it as a digital to my stereo from it is a + as well. Then again, my apex 3 disc can run 3 mp3 cds in a loop/random... so really, it just sits there and makes a lot of noise with the stupid fan, and crashes incessantly on my neighbor's games. (and halo, which came free)... that's what you get for buying refurb.
If the claim is that the system needs to be stricken of all SCO *owned* code. Isn't the first argument: What code do you really own, what happened in the AT&T Case (open the court files) show us what needs to be changed BEFORE a lawsuit ever took place.
The technical community is VERY good at solving these sorts of problems. Even if we are talking 6-18 months time to rewrite all the sources they are claiming are in violation. That's much shorter than this court case with IBM is going to be.
Besides, even if they are not *really* in violation. And there are claims for both sides, if they were re-written, SCO loses their lawyer money, and we can go back to ragging on M$-Wintel-DMCA and the US court system.
What bothers me, is just as happened with the DMCA, there was some outrage after the fact. Very little antagonism on our part, and viola DMCA is now mandate.
If someone can stop SCO from forcing me to download OBSD, I would be eternally grateful
Now, forgive me... but why bother pirating M$-bloatware when the 5-10% of users who actually will reformat their systems. These things aren't going to be super gaming platforms to begin with.
How the "pirate market" really matters I couldn't say. If you can get on the internet, you are 3 steps away from pirate software.
--- Newsflash, microsoft files suit against every ISP running DNS. Their claim: negligent ISPs allow users to find serial keys by being the *portal* to www.kazaa-lite.com.
umm... duh... he *conceded* that criminals could use it as an "offensive" weapon, he made a difference between male criminals and female criminals. It's a weapon for cripes sake it shocks people who touch you. Now, let me see... ask for a ride home, get frisky, charge jacket, shock victim, steal car. Now how that really matters what gender you are when it takes place, i don't know.
Also, it'd be interesting what kinda singatures this thing makes when it charges up. I bet it's not even compatible with bluetooth...
I disagree as do some of the developers in MuD-Dev. If you do create something that has this massive effect to the server, but you have multiple servers. It's possible to have multiple worlds so to speak. Ok, so all that work that went into freeport isn't good anymore. Maybe you make the zone a big spawn with huge creatures, or develop something else in the spot. You give te potential for unique and original material for players who don't get new experiences (in sony's case) unless they shell out more $$$ for expensive expansions.
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Sick some animal rights activists after him... then see how much money he's got for lawyers
Have we all been ignoring the gpl here, or is this overwelming frustration we all have just causing us to be blindsided.... Caldera WAS RELEASED by SCO-CORP (yes, later it was spun off) BUT the same company is suing IBM (and harassing companies) for using what they legally gave their rights away from.
This hasn't even made it to court yet, but when it does I REALLY hope a motion for dismissal is filed based upon this very fact. (Then again, most motions for dismissal are ignored if the slightest evidence precludes them... so holding a CD with the *offending* code Labeled *CALDERA LINUX* would surely have some legal holes, what I have no idea... but then again IANAL.)
If you open up the WORD document INSIDE the WASTE packages, the AUTHOR of the Document WAS JUSTIN FRANKEL..... which stinks of personal involvement.
good thing you posted AC, otherwise you'd be in some sort of karma hell for slashdotting a C64
80$ for a piece of crud OS, or $3.50 for a work in progress, that you can modify without any restrictions upon your personal use. Yeah... they had any chance at all vs. linux.
Besides, they should be suing the chinese gov't..... or perhaps heading to munich with a few lawyers.... or perhaps this is all US legal FUD that wouldn't hold up in any other courtsystem in the world. Yeah I think that's it.
This has been the case all along. BSD has been the linux alternative for ages. Even Linus himself said "If bsdx86 had been around there probably wouldn't be linux" or something near that.
As much as the relgious debacle goes between BSD and Linux, the decision has always been preference.
SCO has forced preference of BSD onto me. I already have preference towards Solaris in the high end market, and Microsoft used BSD for hotmail *heh* so yeah... if I am *forced* to license linux, I will nuke it, and BSD it, so bite me SCO.
I can't believe how much stupidity is being pushed on our community, all of which could be solved by a "filename.c [linenumber-linuenumber]" even if there is some dispute as to whether or not it's unique. Rewrite it and viola, not issue. So attempting to extort the community will not be effective in any case.
heh.... I anticipated this, the first 5 seconds I saw the link I mailed this to every mailbox I could think of. They may be able to claim whatever they want relating to the release of WASTE but they can't remove the fact that it WAS released under the GPL.
AOL can't take the source away from me... or the hundreds of thousands of other downloads. Just like SCO can't take away my dozens of linux cds.... (or force me to license them.)
So... Justin Frankel is the author of that word document. I would bet he attached the GPL to the code as well. So, what is the point? He attached it because it most likely contains GPL code, so the license would seem to make sense.
So i say to you AOL: you released the source (if even by proxy) under the GPL. (which looks kosher to me) How can you claim rights on something which you no longer have control over?
If you do dictate who owns it, then those who wish to code it, will keep it out of the GPL, and possibly not even OSS it.
They own no software patents directly. Novell has refuted their claims, (Novell owns the patents, gets 95% of revenue generated, and SCO bottom feeds the last 5%.) Screw SCO and the horse they rode in on
It seems to me, that the easiest thing to do, would be for the Linux community to come out and say "We don't believe you do own X and X" Buttt.... "Since you released linux, we will grant you GPL license over the code in question...." It would be a smack in the face of the real developers, (if the code in question really is unique) and would actually HELP their claims that they *OWN* that IP... but they would own a freely distributed GPL'd source... so... they would be screwed.
No joke, CBS marketwatch article quotes Mcbride
I posted my article submission in my journal
You can throttle your bandwith with bittorrent to begin with, --maxupload_rate or somesuch... or, better yet use TC.... why this is even an issue, I don't know. Throttling your upload is something some people MUST do. Others just leech anyways... and besides, it's in python, so nothing is really stoping anyone from altering BT if this feature WASN'T included (which it is)
Ads aren't the only way to make money. You need to play gigs, even if playing gigs means not eating like a rock star, or driving the best car. You can't get exposure unless you play. Bands are seldom made overnight, and many bands (smashmouth comes to mind) play for years *10-20 is not unheard of* before making it big. Be patient, the RIAA isn't the cause of *ALL* the worlds problems.... yet.
SCO: YOU ARE USING OUR IP UNLICENSED PAY US BIG MONEY. ...Linux is the work of thousands of developers around the world, your claim is baseless.
IBM:
SCO: WE HAVE PROOF
IBM: Show us.
SCO: NO!
IBM: Fine, we'll go to court.
SCO: WHAT? YOU DON'T WANT TO BUY US?
IBM: Our Lawyers are better than your lawyers. neener neener
The XBOX is the cheapest MP3 network appliance I have. However, the Hard-drive leaves much to be desired. The fact that I can use it as a digital to my stereo from it is a + as well. Then again, my apex 3 disc can run 3 mp3 cds in a loop/random... so really, it just sits there and makes a lot of noise with the stupid fan, and crashes incessantly on my neighbor's games. (and halo, which came free)... that's what you get for buying refurb.
If the claim is that the system needs to be stricken of all SCO *owned* code. Isn't the first argument: What code do you really own, what happened in the AT&T Case (open the court files) show us what needs to be changed BEFORE a lawsuit ever took place.
The technical community is VERY good at solving these sorts of problems. Even if we are talking 6-18 months time to rewrite all the sources they are claiming are in violation. That's much shorter than this court case with IBM is going to be.
Besides, even if they are not *really* in violation. And there are claims for both sides, if they were re-written, SCO loses their lawyer money, and we can go back to ragging on M$-Wintel-DMCA and the US court system.
What bothers me, is just as happened with the DMCA, there was some outrage after the fact. Very little antagonism on our part, and viola DMCA is now mandate.
If someone can stop SCO from forcing me to download OBSD, I would be eternally grateful
Yes.... so you get modded down.... for being right... happens a lot
Now, forgive me... but why bother pirating M$-bloatware when the 5-10% of users who actually will reformat their systems. These things aren't going to be super gaming platforms to begin with.
How the "pirate market" really matters I couldn't say. If you can get on the internet, you are 3 steps away from pirate software.
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Newsflash, microsoft files suit against every ISP running DNS. Their claim: negligent ISPs allow users to find serial keys by being the *portal* to www.kazaa-lite.com.
umm... duh... he *conceded* that criminals could use it as an "offensive" weapon, he made a difference between male criminals and female criminals. It's a weapon for cripes sake it shocks people who touch you. Now, let me see... ask for a ride home, get frisky, charge jacket, shock victim, steal car. Now how that really matters what gender you are when it takes place, i don't know.
Also, it'd be interesting what kinda singatures this thing makes when it charges up. I bet it's not even compatible with bluetooth...
*COUGH* Intellectual-Property-Theft *COUGH* *COUGH* XEROX *COUGH*
And having a banner ad for the Ipaq urgently flashing at the top of the screen.
It also includes shots like this. We're supposed to be looking at the wire she's holding. It's a plot point, damn it.
It's good to see geeks don't change.
I disagree as do some of the developers in MuD-Dev. If you do create something that has this massive effect to the server, but you have multiple servers. It's possible to have multiple worlds so to speak. Ok, so all that work that went into freeport isn't good anymore. Maybe you make the zone a big spawn with huge creatures, or develop something else in the spot. You give te potential for unique and original material for players who don't get new experiences (in sony's case) unless they shell out more $$$ for expensive expansions.
so that's why all my coworkers are always minty-fresh.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH-HAAAAAAAAAAA!
As always, someone does something stupid. Alienates their clients, and then expects to keep their monopoly too.