You know the sad thing is that "silent" cooling would be a lot easier if everyone would pull their head out of their asses and look at where their fans are pointed. Case fans all typically either drag air through or throw air against completely un-aerodynamic grills. CPU, VGA, mainboard - pretty much all of them mash air directly against a flat surface. This was fine during the days when you had mabye 2-3 small fans on your Pentium I, but now that demands are higher it's an obvious issue (aside from the fact that cheap fans themselves are made to just push air in rather poor designs).
After getting a system where I was completely satisfied with performance I realized how noisy it was and started to look at quieter solutions. One thing I didn't realize was that a cheap case has thinner metal and vibrates a LOT more. But my biggest mistake was getting a mainboard with a small fan on it. It's by far the noisiest component, and pretty much impossible to really quiet or replace with a quiet component =/ (I'll replace it with a new board once MSI comes out with an nForce board for socket 939 that has no fan). It sort of sucks because a lot of this stuff is hit and miss and you really don't know what you're in for until you actually listen to it yourself and that means you already bought it. Taking advice from people online is risky at best since it seems like a lot of deaf people like to make claims about components...
I think the question will be what will happen if another OS writes to an NTFS partition with WinFS. Will windows throw a fit because stuff appears and dissapears with no explanation to WinFS. I doubt it, but MS has done things more stupid than that. Honestly the only thing that I even care about with WinFS is if I can turn it off. It sounds like it is going to destroy performance with no real benefit to people like me.
I use rssh on all of my servers, and it works quite well. Now days with rsync support I am one happy camper. BUT:
No support for FreeBSD 4x (no wordexp() function) FreeBSD 5.2.x Functional, but due to a typo in wordexp.h you have to correct a line in the system header file to get it to compile - works fine after that.
Also the guy who came up with rssh has pretty much abandoned the project for his own reasons. One of the gentoo people discovered a vulerability which was fixed and eventually made its way back to the ports tree, but I'm not sure how well maintained such a port will be concerning security - although it's supposed to be pretty good code and considered feature complete.
Err.. exactly what apps are you talking about? Cutting and pasting works fine between Firefox, Gaim, XMMS, and any random KDE app I've tried. I'm not saying that this isn't a problem, but the issue might be more with who's app you're using than with the "Linux Desktop" in general.
Now if we REEEaally want to start a flame fest, lets get into drag and drop =)
So if we combine the triangle of Net,Freee,Open to get some sort of Uber-BSD-Megasor, what does it make it? BSDzilla? I guess it would be like Voltron but once all the BSD's unite they all shout RTFM. Episodes include obscure topics like "the bikeshed" and "Theo's rapcore adventure"
Just as an aside and sticking up for 3ware. 3ware is one of the few companies that has good driver support for Linux and FreeBSD. As far as 2port SATA mirroring I always recommend 3ware as my first choice - performance is good enough.
Obviously if you're looking at a raid 5 solution, you're moving more towards higher end stuff, so it would be hard to recommend anything that performs poorly there. Rather dissapointing, but probably not that surprising since their SATA cards seem very similar to the ATA cards, so I'm sure they're throwing performance out the window there somewhere =/
Hmm... Ninja Attack Lawyers. You know, I always try to think up good examle of "Lawful Evil" to explain to people, but I think I have the perfect senario now.
I believe that you can't control file system permissions in XP home either. I think I read that somewhere, so that would be the main reason I wouldn't use XP home. One of the saving graces of NT based systems over 9x is that you can block writing and execution. On win2k you can easily keep a machine under control by making C: read only for everyone but system and administrators, and setting the user's home directory to not allow execution by the user.
What distro do you use? It works for me using Gentoo, but I also use the unstable nvidia drivers (because I couldn't get the "stable" ones to work months back).
Which reminds me, when is Linus going to leave the 2.6x tree alone so we don't have to worry about so much broken shit all the time? Imagine if Windows changed it's kernel a couple times a year and broke the video drivers each time. People would bitch endlessly, but I guess as Linux users, we just have to put up with it.
Most of the linux boot disks don't give much attention to UFS/FFS file systems
That's my main issue as well. I like knoppix, but if I have a REAL problem with my BSD servers, knoppix is pretty much worthless for anything but cloning drives.
I wasn't too happy with the FreeBSD rescue disk either. I've been using Frisbee, but it takes forever and a day to load. Not sure about fluxbox as the window manager, but like you I tend not to have any mice connected to any of my machines or laying around. This might finally be the tool(set) I've been waiting for.
So we set up a colony on the moon, then we set up one on mars. Then the moon decides they want to be independent, so there is a bloody war that is swept under the rugs and the survivors from the moon escape past Jupiter where they find an alien weapons factory, and later attack us using giant robots.
Leave it to Japan to start something like this =)
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Why is there an "Edutainment" menu? Why is there an "Editors" menu? There should just be an "Applications" menu, and they let the user categorize their apps the way they want to.
I have to disagree there. If there is one thing Windows does really BADLY it's the start menu. Instead of having Games, Office, etc you just have one huge disorganized clusterfuck. If people want to categorize their apps, they are already free to do so. I certainly agree that the "system/utilities/settings" stuff is really messed up, but I guess the question is it better to put it in multiple places so people are more likely to find it, or put it in one consistent place. That's usually not as easy as it sounds either.
And the two app names is a KDE fix for everyone elses problem, not neccesarily KDE's. What does GIMP do? How are you supposed to know? Is KDE going to rename it? If I install the GIMP and it shows up in my menu's as "Graphics Application" I wouldn't say that's very good either. But again this behavior is configurable - you can show one, or the other or both (default).
KDE is very much overloaded with "stuff" - but many of the menu's are actually pretty well thought out. That's not to say that they don't need work, but they've done a decent job so far.
I use Gentoo on the desktop, and BSD on servers as well. I'm not sure what you mean by "using stable". The base install has nothing to do with ports, differences between 4x and 5x aside..
Most of the popular stuff is about the same as far as how up to date they are. Apache, Postgresql, Samba - they're pretty much the same. Some of the fringe stuff is pretty far out of date though, but as you say, I would rather have something tested well before release then someone throwing the source in the ports tree just to keep it up to date.
My biggest problem with Gentoo is that many things for me are broken, but not because of something broken in portage, but because portage itself is part of the problem and causing screw-ups. Seems like I can't go more than 2 weeks without some mysterious breakage of an application that I will have to dig up a fix. Some things (like torsmo right now for me) will just sit broken until the next update. No one else has problems, just me. I see a lot of Gentoo users report the same sorts of problems, and I hope they'll work on that area a bit more in the future.
As someone who comes from a "I build my own computers" mentality, I wasn't to happy about that either. But as I started getting in IBM Laptops with the "Install Partition" I realized that it wasn't that bad of an idea.
For instance, take all the service packs and hot fixes that are constantly thrown at windows. If I have to do a clean reinstall of XP and the copy I have is pre SP1, I'll be owned the second I hook up to a network (assuming I'm too stupid to turn on the firewall first). Without most of the hotfixes I'll be close to the same situation. By having a copy on a hard drive, PC manufacterers can keep very up to date images shipped with machines instead of the huge lag time of having the correct CD's pressed and shipped with the computer.
The only "proof" that you "own" Windows is that dinky bar code sticker, so there isn't much need for a CD itself really. And fdisk in the hands of most people means they are screwed anyway =)
I was thinking that perhaps it was something odd with your install, but then I realized I have 640mb of ram and my Powerbook only runs for 9 hours at a time so I doubt I'd notice.
You're definatly right about the quality of the OSX port compaired to the others. Seems like every month I find a new fustration to add to the old ones with Firefox on OSX (not present in the Windows or Linux versions). Right now the fact that I can't use the tab key to give non text form fields focus is a gigantic pain in the ass. I'd probably start using Safari if I could get away from my favorite feature, type-ahead =/
That settles it: I'm backing away from this article.
Easy for you to say. What are those poor Mac users supposed to do now that Apple has backed away from the keyboard and mouse because the Mac Mini doesn't have those either? Hit the back button? They don't have one!
I used to say the same thing, but I know a guy who was trying to sell his Ferrari (since he bought a new one), and priced it at like $120k (I don't recall the exact ammount). Then some guy offers to buy it but they end up going round and round over $5000 difference in price.
I'm thinking to myself, one guy has a NEW Ferrari so what does he care, and why is the other guy bitching over $5000? Getting the brakes replaced will probably cost that much. But some people will squabble over price at the weirdest points I guess.
Yeah, I'm fighting this battle right now where I work. I'm the IT guy, but I don't really control remote locations. Every time I go there, there are more color inkjet laser printers. And what do they print in color that's so important? Pretty much nothing I assure you. And when you look at the price per page over years, those inkjets are basically hemerging points as far as money is concerned. But everytime they need a printer (or their existing ones fall over dead after 2 years) they go out and buy another one because they just need a "cheap printer". Well whataver, I'm just the IT guy so what would I know.
I used RedHat since 5x. When I got a job as an IT person it was RedHat that went on the new servers. Then I got burned by dropping 7.3 support. It sucked for me because up2date was convinient and reasonably priced, but sometimes that's the way it goes.
It's also the best thing that's happened to me in IT. I started using FreeBSD and now can consider myself a BSD Zealot - it'll be a cold day in hell before I recommend using Linux on a server over BSD (I'm still okay with Linux on servers though).
On my home machine I started using SuSE and was amazed by how well it was set up compaired to the issues I always had in RedHat. Even after using RedHat for years, it was SuSE that got me to switch to Linux on the desktop instead of just toying with it. Eventually I moved to Gentoo so that I got programs the way they were "meant to be" instead of the wacked out way many comercial distros organize things.
So in the end it was a very good thing. Instead of putting up with "RedHat Linux", I'm now a flexible admin who is comfortable using various BSD's and many Linux distros. Thus with being so happy with the result of being pushed out the door, I don't think I'll ever be comming back.
Actually I'm wondering if anyone thought that through. What is this device going to handle? Excel, Open office, some wacky text file I cooked up? Seriously, who puts their grocery list on a computer? (and I mean REGULAR people) So I'm going to walk over to the next room and type into my computer junk like I need maple syrup? I have a pen and paper in my cupboard - takes 2 seconds to write down. It makes no sense to walk over to the computer (provided it's even on), open a program and type stuff in. Then I suppose I have to download it to some usb keychain/memory card in order to cart it along with me.
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You know the sad thing is that "silent" cooling would be a lot easier if everyone would pull their head out of their asses and look at where their fans are pointed. Case fans all typically either drag air through or throw air against completely un-aerodynamic grills. CPU, VGA, mainboard - pretty much all of them mash air directly against a flat surface. This was fine during the days when you had mabye 2-3 small fans on your Pentium I, but now that demands are higher it's an obvious issue (aside from the fact that cheap fans themselves are made to just push air in rather poor designs).
After getting a system where I was completely satisfied with performance I realized how noisy it was and started to look at quieter solutions. One thing I didn't realize was that a cheap case has thinner metal and vibrates a LOT more. But my biggest mistake was getting a mainboard with a small fan on it. It's by far the noisiest component, and pretty much impossible to really quiet or replace with a quiet component =/ (I'll replace it with a new board once MSI comes out with an nForce board for socket 939 that has no fan). It sort of sucks because a lot of this stuff is hit and miss and you really don't know what you're in for until you actually listen to it yourself and that means you already bought it. Taking advice from people online is risky at best since it seems like a lot of deaf people like to make claims about components...
HP reinvents the serial terminal. news at 11.
I think the question will be what will happen if another OS writes to an NTFS partition with WinFS. Will windows throw a fit because stuff appears and dissapears with no explanation to WinFS. I doubt it, but MS has done things more stupid than that. Honestly the only thing that I even care about with WinFS is if I can turn it off. It sounds like it is going to destroy performance with no real benefit to people like me.
I use rssh on all of my servers, and it works quite well. Now days with rsync support I am one happy camper. BUT:
No support for FreeBSD 4x (no wordexp() function)
FreeBSD 5.2.x Functional, but due to a typo in wordexp.h you have to correct a line in the system header file to get it to compile - works fine after that.
Also the guy who came up with rssh has pretty much abandoned the project for his own reasons. One of the gentoo people discovered a vulerability which was fixed and eventually made its way back to the ports tree, but I'm not sure how well maintained such a port will be concerning security - although it's supposed to be pretty good code and considered feature complete.
Err.. exactly what apps are you talking about? Cutting and pasting works fine between Firefox, Gaim, XMMS, and any random KDE app I've tried. I'm not saying that this isn't a problem, but the issue might be more with who's app you're using than with the "Linux Desktop" in general.
Now if we REEEaally want to start a flame fest, lets get into drag and drop =)
So if we combine the triangle of Net,Freee,Open to get some sort of Uber-BSD-Megasor, what does it make it? BSDzilla? I guess it would be like Voltron but once all the BSD's unite they all shout RTFM. Episodes include obscure topics like "the bikeshed" and "Theo's rapcore adventure"
Just as an aside and sticking up for 3ware. 3ware is one of the few companies that has good driver support for Linux and FreeBSD. As far as 2port SATA mirroring I always recommend 3ware as my first choice - performance is good enough.
Obviously if you're looking at a raid 5 solution, you're moving more towards higher end stuff, so it would be hard to recommend anything that performs poorly there. Rather dissapointing, but probably not that surprising since their SATA cards seem very similar to the ATA cards, so I'm sure they're throwing performance out the window there somewhere =/
Hmm... Ninja Attack Lawyers. You know, I always try to think up good examle of "Lawful Evil" to explain to people, but I think I have the perfect senario now.
I believe that you can't control file system permissions in XP home either. I think I read that somewhere, so that would be the main reason I wouldn't use XP home. One of the saving graces of NT based systems over 9x is that you can block writing and execution. On win2k you can easily keep a machine under control by making C: read only for everyone but system and administrators, and setting the user's home directory to not allow execution by the user.
What distro do you use? It works for me using Gentoo, but I also use the unstable nvidia drivers (because I couldn't get the "stable" ones to work months back).
Which reminds me, when is Linus going to leave the 2.6x tree alone so we don't have to worry about so much broken shit all the time? Imagine if Windows changed it's kernel a couple times a year and broke the video drivers each time. People would bitch endlessly, but I guess as Linux users, we just have to put up with it.
Most of the linux boot disks don't give much attention to UFS/FFS file systems
That's my main issue as well. I like knoppix, but if I have a REAL problem with my BSD servers, knoppix is pretty much worthless for anything but cloning drives.
I wasn't too happy with the FreeBSD rescue disk either. I've been using Frisbee, but it takes forever and a day to load. Not sure about fluxbox as the window manager, but like you I tend not to have any mice connected to any of my machines or laying around. This might finally be the tool(set) I've been waiting for.
So we set up a colony on the moon, then we set up one on mars. Then the moon decides they want to be independent, so there is a bloody war that is swept under the rugs and the survivors from the moon escape past Jupiter where they find an alien weapons factory, and later attack us using giant robots.
Leave it to Japan to start something like this =)
Why is there an "Edutainment" menu? Why is there an "Editors" menu? There should just be an "Applications" menu, and they let the user categorize their apps the way they want to.
I have to disagree there. If there is one thing Windows does really BADLY it's the start menu. Instead of having Games, Office, etc you just have one huge disorganized clusterfuck. If people want to categorize their apps, they are already free to do so. I certainly agree that the "system/utilities/settings" stuff is really messed up, but I guess the question is it better to put it in multiple places so people are more likely to find it, or put it in one consistent place. That's usually not as easy as it sounds either.
And the two app names is a KDE fix for everyone elses problem, not neccesarily KDE's. What does GIMP do? How are you supposed to know? Is KDE going to rename it? If I install the GIMP and it shows up in my menu's as "Graphics Application" I wouldn't say that's very good either. But again this behavior is configurable - you can show one, or the other or both (default).
KDE is very much overloaded with "stuff" - but many of the menu's are actually pretty well thought out. That's not to say that they don't need work, but they've done a decent job so far.
I use Gentoo on the desktop, and BSD on servers as well. I'm not sure what you mean by "using stable". The base install has nothing to do with ports, differences between 4x and 5x aside..
Most of the popular stuff is about the same as far as how up to date they are. Apache, Postgresql, Samba - they're pretty much the same. Some of the fringe stuff is pretty far out of date though, but as you say, I would rather have something tested well before release then someone throwing the source in the ports tree just to keep it up to date.
My biggest problem with Gentoo is that many things for me are broken, but not because of something broken in portage, but because portage itself is part of the problem and causing screw-ups. Seems like I can't go more than 2 weeks without some mysterious breakage of an application that I will have to dig up a fix. Some things (like torsmo right now for me) will just sit broken until the next update. No one else has problems, just me. I see a lot of Gentoo users report the same sorts of problems, and I hope they'll work on that area a bit more in the future.
That's obviously absent because NO ONE wants to be mooned by cowboy neil.
As someone who comes from a "I build my own computers" mentality, I wasn't to happy about that either. But as I started getting in IBM Laptops with the "Install Partition" I realized that it wasn't that bad of an idea.
For instance, take all the service packs and hot fixes that are constantly thrown at windows. If I have to do a clean reinstall of XP and the copy I have is pre SP1, I'll be owned the second I hook up to a network (assuming I'm too stupid to turn on the firewall first). Without most of the hotfixes I'll be close to the same situation. By having a copy on a hard drive, PC manufacterers can keep very up to date images shipped with machines instead of the huge lag time of having the correct CD's pressed and shipped with the computer.
The only "proof" that you "own" Windows is that dinky bar code sticker, so there isn't much need for a CD itself really. And fdisk in the hands of most people means they are screwed anyway =)
I was thinking that perhaps it was something odd with your install, but then I realized I have 640mb of ram and my Powerbook only runs for 9 hours at a time so I doubt I'd notice.
You're definatly right about the quality of the OSX port compaired to the others. Seems like every month I find a new fustration to add to the old ones with Firefox on OSX (not present in the Windows or Linux versions). Right now the fact that I can't use the tab key to give non text form fields focus is a gigantic pain in the ass. I'd probably start using Safari if I could get away from my favorite feature, type-ahead =/
That settles it: I'm backing away from this article.
Easy for you to say. What are those poor Mac users supposed to do now that Apple has backed away from the keyboard and mouse because the Mac Mini doesn't have those either? Hit the back button? They don't have one!
[ insert no-button mouse joke here ]
I used to say the same thing, but I know a guy who was trying to sell his Ferrari (since he bought a new one), and priced it at like $120k (I don't recall the exact ammount). Then some guy offers to buy it but they end up going round and round over $5000 difference in price.
I'm thinking to myself, one guy has a NEW Ferrari so what does he care, and why is the other guy bitching over $5000? Getting the brakes replaced will probably cost that much. But some people will squabble over price at the weirdest points I guess.
Yeah, I'm fighting this battle right now where I work. I'm the IT guy, but I don't really control remote locations. Every time I go there, there are more color inkjet laser printers. And what do they print in color that's so important? Pretty much nothing I assure you. And when you look at the price per page over years, those inkjets are basically hemerging points as far as money is concerned. But everytime they need a printer (or their existing ones fall over dead after 2 years) they go out and buy another one because they just need a "cheap printer". Well whataver, I'm just the IT guy so what would I know.
Wait about a year, and Hewlett Packard (HP) will join Lexmark in using the court system to earn money on their printers and print cartridges.
Don't worry, the Chinese will save us! =)
I think that's going to be my new tagline....
I used RedHat since 5x. When I got a job as an IT person it was RedHat that went on the new servers. Then I got burned by dropping 7.3 support. It sucked for me because up2date was convinient and reasonably priced, but sometimes that's the way it goes.
It's also the best thing that's happened to me in IT. I started using FreeBSD and now can consider myself a BSD Zealot - it'll be a cold day in hell before I recommend using Linux on a server over BSD (I'm still okay with Linux on servers though).
On my home machine I started using SuSE and was amazed by how well it was set up compaired to the issues I always had in RedHat. Even after using RedHat for years, it was SuSE that got me to switch to Linux on the desktop instead of just toying with it. Eventually I moved to Gentoo so that I got programs the way they were "meant to be" instead of the wacked out way many comercial distros organize things.
So in the end it was a very good thing. Instead of putting up with "RedHat Linux", I'm now a flexible admin who is comfortable using various BSD's and many Linux distros. Thus with being so happy with the result of being pushed out the door, I don't think I'll ever be comming back.
Actually I'm wondering if anyone thought that through. What is this device going to handle? Excel, Open office, some wacky text file I cooked up? Seriously, who puts their grocery list on a computer? (and I mean REGULAR people) So I'm going to walk over to the next room and type into my computer junk like I need maple syrup? I have a pen and paper in my cupboard - takes 2 seconds to write down. It makes no sense to walk over to the computer (provided it's even on), open a program and type stuff in. Then I suppose I have to download it to some usb keychain/memory card in order to cart it along with me.
Yeah, I'll stick with my piece of paper thanks.