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Firefox 1.0.1 Released

homeobocks writes "Firefox 1.0.1 has been officially released by the Mozilla Foundation, with some important security fixes. An announcement and release notes are available." Presumably this fixes the window injection vulnerabilities.

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  1. On this subject by NoGuffCheck · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Have they released any info on new signups as a result of the Firefox 1.0 NY Times Advert?

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    1. Re:On this subject by PeterPumpkin · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not really, but it can be figured out from this nice chart.

      The ad went out on December 16, 2004.

      This is 37 days after the launch of Firefox. If you look to the downloads per day graph, there is a noticable increase afterward.

    2. Re:On this subject by MikeCapone · · Score: 4, Informative

      www.spreadFirefox.com and Ada's blog at mozillazine.org have most of the information about Firefox's marketshare and marketing campaigns.

      I just installed 1.0.1 and everything seems to be working... Except that they haven't fixed the slashdot rendering bug yet (well, to be fair it's probably slashdot's HTML's fault -- I don't know why they haven't switched to CSS yet. They'd save gigs of bandwidth).

    3. Re:On this subject by dotgain · · Score: 5, Informative
      BTW the workaround for the rendering bug you encounter on /. is to increase the size of your text then decrease it again (Ctrl +, Ctrl -).

      I dunno if it is a slashdot bug or not. It seems to me that if you can fix it with this workaround, then's it's a Mozilla bug (it does it there, too). Yes they definitely should use CSS, but since it's such an ugly site, it'll probably still look better in lynx.

    4. Re:On this subject by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What happened in week 9? There is a big spike there too.

    5. Re:On this subject by jrest · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sorry, but I can't find such an increase. There is a small spike, but not really significant. Also, in the cumulative graph nothing major happens.
      In fact, I come to the opposite conclusion: there was no noticable increase afterward.

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    6. Re:On this subject by zebs · · Score: 1

      If the advert hadn't happened then the number of download might have slowed?

    7. Re:On this subject by dickko · · Score: 1

      The graphs are taken from 37 days (ie. just over five weeks) after the advert, and the final "week" is fourteen. Take that five off and you get week nine, which is probably (or at least, possibly) the week of the advert

      Then again, I may be talking out of my arse...

    8. Re:On this subject by tehshen · · Score: 4, Informative

      Or you could use SlashFix. I am using it on 1.0.1 and it is working as good as ever.

      The main Slashdot rendering bug fix is going to be released with 1.1. This version 1.0.1 is only a security fix.

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    9. Re:On this subject by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      well, to be fair it's probably slashdot's HTML's fault

      Every single time this bug is mentioned, somebody blames it on Slashdot. Every single time, somebody else corrects them. Most of the time there's a reply saying something to the effect of "okay, so it's a bug in Firefox... but it's still Slashdot's fault!". And people continue to post comments like yours.

      What is it going to take to convince people that it's a bug in Firefox? Showing them the bugzilla entry doesn't work. Showing them valid HTML that exhibits the same problem doesn't work. Showing them Firefox developers talking about the bug doesn't work. Telling them that it's fixed in current nightlies doesn't work.

      Where the hell does this irrational superstition that it's Slashdot's fault come from? And why do you fools continue to post comments like this?

    10. Re:On this subject by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's quite simple, really.

      The internet appears to be wearing a massive pair of rose-tinted specticals. These are remarkable things that shield the wearer from any bad things that might be wrong with their favourite piece of software, that rescued them from the evil clutches of Micro$oft (lol) Internet Exploiter (lol).

      As a result of this, it means that Firefox can't have any bugs. I mean, how can it? It's open source! Everyone knows that the instant someone discovers a bug in any open-source software, the magical bug evles emerge from the woodwork and fix it instantly, and upgrade everyone's copies for them.

      Unfortuantely, when you take the specs off, you see that the open-source model doesn't really work that way, and that software as monumentally complex and widespread as firefox can't just shoot out new point-releases every week and expect everyone to keep up to date.

    11. Re:On this subject by leonmergen · · Score: 1

      Welcome to the world of offline advertising, where Cost-Per-Action's can't be tracked and advertisements can't be targetted by operating systems...

      Do you really think other companies see immediate increase ? It's all about brand-awareness, and it's an investment for the future...

      On a personal note, however, I have my doubts how efficient this one-time advertisement will turn out in the long run, too...

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    12. Re:On this subject by Skater · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Statisticians have a concept called "significance". In this case, we'd compare the number of downloads that week to the average of the previous weeks (excluding the first one since it's the first week of release and so was understandably higher - normally reputable statisticians are loath to throw away data but this time it's the right thing to do). Without running the numbers, by looking at the charts I can tell you that we can't say the downloads that week are significantly higher than previous weeks (I'm a trained professional with several years of experience; please don't try that trick at home).

      There's no way to say what would've happened. We could fit a trend to the previous weeks (again excluding the first week) and try to guess (with a huge margin of error), and there might be slight decrease predicted. BUT there are several weeks before the ad where the count jumped back up, too, so I wouldn't be comfortable making any conclusion about a trend from that data.

    13. Re:On this subject by orasio · · Score: 1

      Positive prejudice.
      It's ok that we grow out of it.

    14. Re:On this subject by mattspammail · · Score: 1

      Ditto. If that window injection vulnerability didn't scare you, you're a fool (or maybe you were simply not aware of it).

      BTW, 1.0.1 did indeed fix it. Just mentioning that because the headline says presumably. Nice research!

      http://secunia.com/multiple_browsers_window_inject ion_vulnerability_test/
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    15. Re:On this subject by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      They haven't fixed that yet?

      I won't bother upgrading then... The rendering bugs are the only problems I have at the moment.

    16. Re:On this subject by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where the hell does this irrational superstition that it's Slashdot's fault come from?

      Even if it's wrong, it's not that irrational. Everything usually IS Slashdot's fault.

    17. Re:On this subject by sepluv · · Score: 4, Informative
      Except that they haven't fixed the slashdot rendering bug yet

      This was fixed in Gecko in May 2004 on the trunk which is used by the latest stable version of Mozilla Suite (but not on the aviary branch which 1.0.1 is still based on. Aviary is now being exhumed back into the trunk, so hopefully, future builds (including releases) will all be based off the trunk (so Gecko fixes will propogate to Firefox).

      To fix it in Firefox:

      get a recent nightly build--I find them just as stable

      just install the Slashfix extension.

      BTW the bug only occured sometimes if your machine was fast and it was rendering /. too quickly--you could try reloading--it was a genuine bug as it occured intermittently, but the awful, hoggy, invalid slashcode HTML doesn't help (esp. their use of evil many-nested tables for layout--see the funny and informative Why tables for layout is stupid).

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    18. Re:On this subject by say · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I agree on your analysis, but I do believe that there are some possible ways to determine whether the advertisement did cause more downloads. For instance, you could make a general trend by analyzing download statistics of other comparable software releases. Obviously, there aren't many comparable releases, but I guess there must be some. When we have that trend line, we compare it to the stats for Firefox. If the general trend line dives at about the day number when the advertisement came, and Firefox didn't dive (and this difference is significant, it could indicate that the advertisement worked. However, you can't draw the conclusion that it did or didn't based on this simple analysis. But in a real market analysis I would definitely use this as one of my strategies for analysis.

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    19. Re:On this subject by festers · · Score: 1

      And there are others, like me, who use Firefox exclusively and have never seen this rendering bug that's mentioned from time to time.

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    20. Re:On this subject by rhendershot · · Score: 1

      the slashdot bug appears to be fixed for me. the topics are not laying over the 'menu' on the left. Is there another manifestation that I'm missing?

    21. Re:On this subject by MikeCapone · · Score: 1

      Or maybe it's just that I haven't seen the other threads in which people talked about the issue and I didn't know, but I did know that slashdot's HTML was pretty arhaic and messy from other discussions.

      Now I know. I never was trying to blindly defend Firefox.

    22. Re:On this subject by Fnkmaster · · Score: 1

      Bad link there - see my sig for the link to the official Slashfix home page. :) I haven't touched the code, nor thought about the rendering bug, nor needed to use CTRL-mousewheel or anything else in ages since it just doesn't affect me any more.

      Probably the most useful 20 lines of Javascript I've ever written.

    23. Re:On this subject by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or it didn't work.

    24. Re:On this subject by Rolgar · · Score: 1

      The location of nightlies are here.

    25. Re:On this subject by packeteer · · Score: 1

      You sound very intelligent and informed on this suibject. I would encourage you to make an un-informed opinion on this topic. In fact please do so. Many opinions and assertions are formed on FAR less data that what you went by. So letsa hear it, do you think the ad helped or not? Remember slashdot is the bet place to make wild accusations and crazy guesses from narrow windows of data. So go for it!

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    26. Re:On this subject by nacturation · · Score: 1

      What is it going to take to convince people that it's a bug in Firefox? Showing them the bugzilla entry doesn't work. Showing them valid HTML that exhibits the same problem doesn't work. Showing them Firefox developers talking about the bug doesn't work. Telling them that it's fixed in current nightlies doesn't work.

      So... uh... what you're saying is... it's a problem with Slashdot?

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    27. Re:On this subject by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Easy tiddy from w3c reports 60 errors te last time I looked.

    28. Re:On this subject by donothingsuccessfull · · Score: 1

      What's wrong with selecting "html light" in your prefs?

    29. Re:On this subject by Skater · · Score: 1

      lol - thanks! :)

      I think the ad helped. Maybe people didn't run out and download it right away, but more people now know about it. Here's what convinced me: they've rolled it out on to some end-user's machines as a test at my employer, so presumably everyone will get it soon... at a US government agency! When was the last time you saw a government agency want to use software that didn't have a company name on it? I think that speaks a lot for the quality of Firefox and the mindshare of the project.

    30. Re:On this subject by Skater · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that could be done. However, you'd have to make the assumption that software downloads are somehow correlated. I don't know whether that's true - I mean, I can see that someone who is setting up their new system would be downloading a lot of software, but how often do most people set up new systems?

      I'm not a market analyst, and I don't know much about the techniques and systems they use. That said, I wouldn't use your suggestion as a primary analysis, but maybe as supporting evidence. (I think that's all you intended anyway.)

    31. Re:On this subject by Carnildo · · Score: 1

      It's a race condition between the table layout code and the html download code. The people most likely to see it are those on dialup; those least likely to see it are those on fast high-speed connections.

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  2. IDN Problems Fixed? by michaelhood · · Score: 5, Informative

    From changelog: International Domain Names are now displayed as punycode.

    (wiki linkage mine).

    1. Re:IDN Problems Fixed? by michaelhood · · Score: 3, Informative

      Did you even read the wiki?

      The encoding is applied separately to each component of a domain name which is not representable solely within the ASCII character set, and a reserved prefix 'xn--' is added to the translated Punycode string. For example, bücher becomes bcher-kva in Punycode, and therefore the domain name bücher.ch would be represented as xn--bcher-kva.ch in IDNA.

      Compare an ASCII 'punycoded' URL http://xn--tdali-d8a8w.lv/ (http://xn--tdali-d8a8w.lv/) (working) and its full Unicode counterpart that does include Latvian characters with appropriate diacritics: http://tûdaliò.lv (http://t%C5%ABdali%C5%86.lv) punycoded URLs are prefixed with xn-, and look like nonsense to those of us looking at Latin character sets. Look at the difference between those two sample URLs. Which one is easier to train to identify? Do you have a suggestion for a better solution to IDN spoofing concerns?

    2. Re:IDN Problems Fixed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yes, I have a solution: all browser developers, give up on the silly idea of having non-ASCII domains. Kill this feature!

    3. Re:IDN Problems Fixed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Right, because people who don't use English don't deserve to be on the web. STFU.

    4. Re:IDN Problems Fixed? by ckaminski · · Score: 0

      I'll be happy when everyone's using fscking Unicode so these little problems can go away...

    5. Re:IDN Problems Fixed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I'm sure they're really happy about domainnames like "xn--tdali-d8a8w.lv".

    6. Re:IDN Problems Fixed? by Edgewize · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah, I'm sure they're really happy about domainnames like "xn--tdali-d8a8w.lv".

      Um, you can still enter the full Unicode name in the address bar or use it in links. This only changes how it is displayed /after/ you type it in.

    7. Re:IDN Problems Fixed? by typhoonius · · Score: 5, Informative

      Anyone who's bored can try out the original proof of concept.

      In Firefox 1.0, it displays as "http://www.paypal.com/"; in Firefox 1.0.1, it displays as "http://www.xn--pypal-4ve.com/".

    8. Re:IDN Problems Fixed? by dvdeug · · Score: 1

      This only changes how it is displayed /after/ you type it in

      But that makes spoofing xn--tdali-d8a8w.lv with xn--tdali-d3a8w.lv pretty easy.

    9. Re:IDN Problems Fixed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about we just have ICANN restrict DNS entries to those representable in a single-byte character set? Then, you can have other parts of the world using their native character sets which display fine there but would look like gibberish in English. Select the charset from locale, just like you select language now. *grumble* I18N was a misfeature from the start.

    10. Re:IDN Problems Fixed? by srn_test · · Score: 1

      Well... except that with my fonts the 'a's were visibly different to real ones - they were noticably shorter (the x-height was wrong).

      Not a very convincing spoof, it leapt right out at me as soon as the thing loaded.

    11. Re:IDN Problems Fixed? by shird · · Score: 3, Informative

      uhm... it is the use of unicode that causes the problem. Without it, there isnt a problem.

      Its because some letters look exactly the same but are effectively different unicode characters that lets you register the same 'looking' address but point it to a different site.

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    12. Re:IDN Problems Fixed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      uhm... it is the use of unicode that causes the problem. Without it, there isnt a problem.

      It's a bird!
      It's a plane!

      It's SARCASM FLYING RIGHT OVER YOUR HEAD!!!

    13. Re:IDN Problems Fixed? by Rits · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hush, it's the ascii-reading world that needs protection. Or at least, they decide who needs protection from spoofing...

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    14. Re:IDN Problems Fixed? by handslikesnakes · · Score: 1

      It went over my head too - probably because it was a completely pointless comment. (I mean, really. Has anybody ever said that Unicode would prevent this kind of thing? how was the original statement relevant at all?)

    15. Re:IDN Problems Fixed? by dk.r*nger · · Score: 1

      International Domain Names are now displayed as punycode

      That's all fine and dandy .. but how about spoofing IDN-names? Consider sjælland.dk. I'm going to spoof you, so I'll have you go to sjælland.dk (with the 'a' obscured) (neither link works)

      Who's gonna notice?

      A better solution would be to display a big, ugly warning if you click on a link with an encoded latin letter in it - that would never(?) be for a legit purpose - and perhaps even redirect you to the real site.

    16. Re:IDN Problems Fixed? by Ectospheno · · Score: 1

      If you still have IDN disabled because you were running 1.0 then when you install 1.0.1 its still disabled. The trouble is that the puny-code only displays if you have IDN enabled. :)

    17. Re:IDN Problems Fixed? by sepluv · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, the problem is mainly a wetware bug (and maybe a font bug) caused by the lack of support in wetware for the entire Unicode character set. Computers have no problem knowing the whole of Unicode; people do.

      It is suggested in the RFC (and is IMO common sense) that UAs should alert users (e.g.: by coluring characters by script and a dialog in suspicios cases) when there are characters in a URI from scripts they wouldn't normally use, or a strange mixture of scripts (esp. where characters that are similar to other characters are included).

      Also, in my opinion the user should be able to access both the puny code and the unicode for all URIs displayed in UA GUIs (maybe with a switch if there isn't enough room). IMO, the status bar should default to punycode for now.

      Another thing that would help (wrt to font problems) would be, where there are multiple fonts for a given character that the UA needs to display, for the UA to choose a font which uses distinct characters (either via an ordered list of chacters or AI grapheme comparison). A long-term solution to this might be for the Unicode/UCS standards to include descriptions of conformant graphemes (e.g.: "a Z should have only 3 straight lines with no curly lines (so it doesn't look like a 2)").

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    18. Re:IDN Problems Fixed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if you have IDN _disabled_ entirely it returns "domain not found."

    19. Re:IDN Problems Fixed? by cortana · · Score: 1

      Most internet users are fooled by the bogus "Yuor megahertz has been stoled!!" dialog boxes. You can't expect them to notice something as subtle as the font being incorrect for one character in a domain name. :(

    20. Re:IDN Problems Fixed? by claar · · Score: 1

      On Windows XP at least, there was absolutely no visible difference between the two 'a's; this lead to one heck of a convincing spoof, and is why it was such big news. After all, most users are Windows users..

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  3. Mirrors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:Mirrors by iethree · · Score: 5, Insightful

      it would me much more convenient (and probably less bandwidth-intensive) if they allowed us to update Firefox through the built-in update feature.
      At least Micro$oft doesnt make you totally re-download IE everytime they patch it.

    2. Re:Mirrors by taylortbb · · Score: 1

      They do, Go to:

      Linux:
      Edit\Preferences\Advanced\Check Now

      Windows:
      Tools\Options\Advanced\Check Now

      (The check now buttons say for updates beside them)

    3. Re:Mirrors by PReDiToR · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I did that, I found that Session Saver and Foxy tunes have updates available, but Firefox doesn't.

      I guess they haven't put the updates on the server yet?

      Screw it, I downloaded the whole thing and it took 20 seconds. I closed FF, Zipped up ProgFiles\MozFF and DocSet\User\AppDat\Moz, installed FF 1.0.1 and loaded it up.

      Took less thAn 2 minutes to do all that, I'm updated and no extensions broke.

      Pretty cool. Didn't even need a fricken reboot like IE would have.

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    4. Re:Mirrors by zonker · · Score: 0

      interestingly it says there are "no updates available at this time" right now. perhaps they haven't enabled this yet out of bandwidth concerns, or maybe they are just being cautious about a new update (in case it breaks something)...

    5. Re:Mirrors by whitespacedout · · Score: 1, Informative

      Only checks for extension updates AFAIK.

    6. Re:Mirrors by the_bard17 · · Score: 1, Informative

      Gotta vote against ya, and go with the parent. Following the parent, there are two distinct options for updating: Firefox, and My Extensions and Themes. That's on my Gentoo system, Firefox 1.0

      That would imply that one can update Firefox through that menu. Not sure if it actually works or not, though. I just tried it, and it stated that no updates were available.

      I wonder how Portage would handle it, too... I imaagine that it would assume 1.0 was still installed, and not the update. *shrug* So I waste some time the next time I 'emerge sync && emerge -u world'... I'll probably be at work or sleeping anyhow.

    7. Re:Mirrors by joeldixon66 · · Score: 5, Informative

      From Asa's Blog:

      "We're still working on some with the application update infrastructure and the installer so for the first few days, we'll only be offering the release via full download at the website and then turning on the automatic update system hopefully sometime next week."

    8. Re:Mirrors by Myen · · Score: 5, Informative

      Since you're linking to the en-US version anyway...
      BitTorrent links in case the servers really go to crap. (Theirs, not mine)

    9. Re:Mirrors by Neuroelectronic · · Score: 1

      I downloaded it to my desktop and double clicked it. Took all of 30 seconds.

    10. Re:Mirrors by p0rnking · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Of course it didn't require a reboot like IE ... FF isn't "tied into" the OS

    11. Re:Mirrors by WalksOnDirt · · Score: 1

      I installed 1.0.1, then reinstalled 1.0 because I like the Textzoom extension. This hasn't been officially updated to 1.0, but extensionsmirror has a link to a version patched for 1.0 installs.

      Since it's not being maintained, I'll probably eventually have to give it up, but I won't for such a minor Firefox update.

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    12. Re:Mirrors by koreaman · · Score: 0, Redundant

      But then again, doing nearly anything on Windows says you should reboot. Whether it's actually necessary is another matter entirely.

    13. Re:Mirrors by Rirath.com · · Score: 5, Informative

      I installed 1.0.1, then reinstalled 1.0 because I like the Textzoom extension. This hasn't been officially updated to 1.0, but extensionsmirror has a link to a version patched for 1.0 installs.

      Since it's not being maintained, I'll probably eventually have to give it up, but I won't for such a minor Firefox update.


      Actually, no you don't. Changing extension maxlimits is trival.

      - First, find your profile. In Explorer find: %appdata%\Settings\\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\\extensions

      - Second, open Extensions.rdf with notepad, metapad, etc.

      - Third, find and replace any of:
      em:maxVersion="1.0"
      With em:maxVersion="5.0"

      And you're good to go. You can put any number you want, but I like 5.0 just to make it easier, especially with nightlies in the past. You could also use about:config to lower your version number, but that could have other side effects. Now, if doing this makes your extension not work because of code changes (rarely) or somehow borks your profile (highly doubtful), use at your own risk. :)

      And Extensionsmirror.nl is a great place to find prebumped extensions.

    14. Re:Mirrors by WalksOnDirt · · Score: 1

      Thanks, I hadn't seen that procedure described before.

      Textzoom is working fine now with the new Firefox version.

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    15. Re:Mirrors by Rirath.com · · Score: 2, Informative

      No sweat, glad it worked for you. I messed the application dir up a bit trying to cut my data out of it, and Slashdot took a bit out... just to clarify it should be soemthing like:

      %appdata%\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\(random)\extens ions

      (No space, Slashdot does that.) Also, for new downloads... you can save an extension to your hard drive, rename the .xpi to .zip (or .rar if I'm wrong), unzip it, find the file with the same maxversion line, and edit that higher. Then just rezip the folders and rename it .xpi again. Instant bumped version.

    16. Re:Mirrors by badfish99 · · Score: 0, Troll

      It certainly is necessary. Windows cannot update executable files on the fly; it has to be done at reboot time. Unix doesn't have this restriction.

    17. Re:Mirrors by Smack · · Score: 1

      It's amazing how badly Firefox screwed up extension versioning. This procedure is an apt demonstration.

    18. Re:Mirrors by taylortbb · · Score: 1

      The update feature works perfectly, its how I got from 1.0PR to 1.0, however the update feature wont work for about a week. As for when they enable it everyone gets a little icon telling them to update, meaning millions of downloaders.

    19. Re:Mirrors by Rirath.com · · Score: 1

      It's amazing how badly Firefox screwed up extension versioning. This procedure is an apt demonstration.

      I have to agree with you there, especially when using nightlies. There's really no excuse for the silly maxversion tag which rarely means anything at all. For awhile, old perfectly working extensions wouldn't even show, hence the 'Show Old Extension' extension! That's messed up. If an extension isn't broke, and chances are it isn't, it should simply work.

      There are other 'normal' ways to upgrade the version number, including over the update system, but obviously that relies on the original author doing something about it... which isn't something you want to bank on. It certainly should have been done much differently.

      I'm really not sure why authors insist on setting their maxversion so low, especially when they don't plan to 1) put out a new version before the next release, or 2) support their extension later. If you're going to just release it and forget it, you'd think you'd at least bump the version number way up. Perhaps it's an "to get listed at update.mozilla.org" thing. Just a guess.

      This was also a chance for them to finally prove their update system works with 1.0.1. Instead, we're all redownloading the .exe or .zip again. I love Firefox as a surfer and as a web guy, but for a browser that claims to really pay attention to the user and usability, they're missing the obvious: automation.

    20. Re:Mirrors by CarbonUnit_718 · · Score: 2, Informative

      DOWNLOAD THE TORRENTS FOR FIREFOX 1.0.1 at: http://bittorrent.mozilla.org/ I wonder why the built in software updater in Firefox doesn't download updates with the bittorent method.

    21. Re:Mirrors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      YOu may think its trivial. I havn't the faintest idea what you're talking about. Wake up out there - 99% of users don't know what a command line, and I'm doing my best to forget. Here's a rule - if you can't change a setting just with a mouse, your program isn't ready for the public, it's a nerds-only special.

    22. Re:Mirrors by R.Mo_Robert · · Score: 1

      At least Micro$oft doesnt make you totally re-download IE everytime they patch it.

      For most minor updates, Firefox won't either. It would be nice if they could do it here, too (actually--can't the Update feature do it? or at least make it seem like it's just patching instead of downloading the whole thing--I have no idea what it actually would do?), but a 5 MB download certainly isn't too much to ask, and it's actually less than some MS patches. And this is the whole program.

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    23. Re:Mirrors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tivial for the average slashdotter, not the average web user.

      Maybe you don't belong here.

    24. Re:Mirrors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently mods are seething with hatred today, I got modded redundant and you got modded troll.

      ~anonymous koreaman

    25. Re:Mirrors by Myen · · Score: 1

      Because Mozilla doesn't have a bittorrent client? :)

      Not to mention that the software updater doesn't know to update yet - they havn't turned on software update in fear of overloading the server. See here, if you havn't seen it already from all the other comments here.

    26. Re:Mirrors by Metzli · · Score: 1

      Firefox went from 1.0 to 1.0.1 and required replacing the entire app. How is that not a "minor update?" On Windows it also required that the installation not be done in a directory where Firefox already existed, i.e., it couldn't be installed over itself. To me, that's just a bad way to do things. If the intended audience is the average user and not geeks, then this is a terrible way to do things.

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  4. /. rendering by damiam · · Score: 0

    I believe this also contains the fix for the various Slashdot rendering bugs. Can someone confirm this?

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    1. Re:/. rendering by vurg · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nope, the center column still goes off to the left.

    2. Re:/. rendering by bunratty · · Score: 5, Funny

      Firefox 1.0.1 is supposed to have only security and stability fixes. Unless an unstable engineer feels insecure about Slashdot fans complaining about the Slashdot bug, I don't think it'll be fixed until Firefox 1.1.

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    3. Re:/. rendering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No slashdot fix here, boys and girls.

      This is 1.0.1, not 1.1 -- get your binary straight.

    4. Re:/. rendering by damiam · · Score: 4, Informative

      Oops. On further exploration, I see that it's fixed in the trunk, and the fix will be included in the 1.1 release (I guess must have misread that to say 1.0.1). In the meantime, there's always the SlashFix extension.

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    5. Re:/. rendering by va3atc · · Score: 1
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    6. Re:/. rendering by Jonny_eh · · Score: 2, Informative

      If not, get this in the meantime:.

    7. Re:/. rendering by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Funny
      Unless an unstable engineer feels insecure about Slashdot fans complaining about the Slashdot bug

      Some of those self-same Slashdot fans are unstable engineers.
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    8. Re:/. rendering by jals · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Can someone explain to me why Firefox has to create fixes for the Slashdot rendering problems. I was under the impression, and please correct me if I'm wrong (it happens a lot), but I thought the problems were with the Slashdot code? Isn't making /. render properly in Firefox just giving the people at Slashdot one less reason to bother fixing their code?

      I could be way out of line if it is partly Firefox's fault, so sorry if that's the case...

    9. Re:/. rendering by badfish99 · · Score: 1
      If you press a combination of keys that causes Firefox to redisplay the page, it gets it right the second time.

      So the Firefox code will display the same HTML in two different ways on different occasions. How can this be anything other than a bug in Firefox?

    10. Re:/. rendering by munkt0n · · Score: 0

      is it a bug? I thought it was just the piss-poor design of /. this place badly needs a makeover

    11. Re:/. rendering by leuk_he · · Score: 1

      slashfix

      there is also a reference to the bug number and a (workarround)fix. Seems to be a timing bug.

  5. How do I automatically kill history in Firefox? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Let's say someone is finished browsing pr0n for the night and wants to clear the cache, history and cookies automatically on browser exit. Is this possible with Firefox via a setting or script?

    1. Re:How do I automatically kill history in Firefox? by PReDiToR · · Score: 5, Informative

      Grab the Kiosk extension from extensionsmirror.nl.

      Or you could go to Tools > Options > Privacy > Clear all (under Windows).

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    2. Re:How do I automatically kill history in Firefox? by Bagels · · Score: 4, Informative

      Set it to accept cookies for current session only, have it remember history for past 0 days. Don't worry about the cache, as IIRC it's encoded such that it only means something to the browser (not left with the same title as the cached webpage item or even its extension).

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    3. Re:How do I automatically kill history in Firefox? by DrEasy · · Score: 1

      I think Firefox should check out the "private mode" feature that has been announced for Safari 1.2 in the Tiger release. That would address your problem nicely.

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    4. Re:How do I automatically kill history in Firefox? by micsmith · · Score: 1

      Why would you want to hide the fact that you view pr0n? Clearly you don't think it's wrong (because you're doing it) so what's there to worry about? Since you don't think it's wrong then you should be able to defend yourself adequately, or at least not care about what someone (who doesn't appreciate your practice) thinks. What? Those aren't options? Maybe you should reconsider your situation altogether... and you think you're doing everyone a favor by "not providing them with something to worry about." It's time to take a fresh look at ourselves people. Your current life is universally purposeless and you ain't in the right.

    5. Re:How do I automatically kill history in Firefox? by Green+Salad · · Score: 2, Informative
      Here's a simple way. Boot with Knoppix CD or other "live Linux" disk.

      I used to travel with a laptop, now I travel with a Knoppix CD. (much lighter & no theft worries)

    6. Re:How do I automatically kill history in Firefox? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " Why would you want to hide the fact that you view pr0n? Clearly you don't think it's wrong (because you're doing it) so what's there to worry about? Since you don't think it's wrong then you should be able to defend yourself adequately, or at least not care about what someone (who doesn't appreciate your practice) thinks. What? Those aren't options? Maybe you should reconsider your situation altogether... and you think you're doing everyone a favor by "not providing them with something to worry about." It's time to take a fresh look at ourselves people. Your current life is universally purposeless and you ain't in the right."

      There is nothing wrong with surfing porn. Further, there is nothing wrong with hiding it, say, from your wife.
      In fact, it is husband's obligation to surf porn secretly.
      Also, it is wife's obligation to bitch about it when you get caught.
      If you disagree, it is time to take a serious look at your life and realize it's filled with hypocrisy. Also note that life in general is universally purposeless, porn has nothing to do with it. Even life of simple plants, that do not appreciate porn same way as more complex animals, does not have a purpose.

    7. Re:How do I automatically kill history in Firefox? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cool!

    8. Re:How do I automatically kill history in Firefox? by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

      I don't want my passwords removing.

      Its a PITA to click the

      History
      Saved Form Information
      Cookies
      Cache

      items every time, the options nicelt hold the page, and the ones I want clearing stay closed, but I still have to dance down clicking.

      Might be a job for an addin.

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    9. Re:How do I automatically kill history in Firefox? by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 1

      Why would you want to hide the fact that you view pr0n?

      Well, that's rather obvious, isn't it? If you're going to buy your significant other a pretty piece of jewelry you don't want your cache full of websites about jewelry that might spoil the surprise either, now would you? Oh, you mean people use pr0n for non-educational purposes...my bad ;-)

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    10. Re:How do I automatically kill history in Firefox? by LentoMan · · Score: 1
      There is really alot more to browser/windows security than most people think. I'm working on a guide that will be available on my webpage. Even my guide will probably miss out on a few things, but I'll try to keep it updated. Apart from the standard (and hidden) firefox settings, I will go through such things as setting up a ramdrive, wiping files, java/shockwave/flash cache, windows security (mainly logging) a whole lot more. For now, settings such as these are sometimes missed: (flash required) http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en /flashplayer/help/settings_manager03.html http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en /flashplayer/help/settings_manager07.html

      I dont want to plug my site directly, but google me and thou shalt find! :)

    11. Re:How do I automatically kill history in Firefox? by RangerRick98 · · Score: 1

      x (Paranoia) is what you're looking for.

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    12. Re:How do I automatically kill history in Firefox? by ratbert6 · · Score: 1

      Not a good plan... I have grabbed things from my cache many times, an obscured filename doesn't mean it's not there and can't be gotten to

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    13. Re:How do I automatically kill history in Firefox? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Either 1) move out of your parents house, or 2) find a significant other that lets you have porn.

      -- gid

    14. Re:How do I automatically kill history in Firefox? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My fiancee has said outright she doesn't mind me looking at porn. We've talked about it many times. I believe it's rather short sighted to think that a significant other is there for your every beck and call everytime you get an "urge". We're sexual beings, why ignore/fight it? There comes a time when people just want a quickie.

      If you ask me (which you didn't), restricting a guy's access to porn is more likely to make him unhappy in the relationship, thus making more prone to having an affair. Men are more visual when it comes to sex, depriving them of porn will force them to get the visual stimulation elsewhere.

      As for strip clubs... I'm still working on that one...

  6. Yeeehaaa (but...) by A_Non_Moose · · Score: 4, Insightful

    from tfa:

    You can now make links opened by other applications open into a new tab, reuse an existing tab, or open a new window.

    Does it play well with Tabbrowser extension?

    Usually any app that does this kills off my saved session. (grrrr).

    Here's hoping.

    And, isn't msi support supposed to be available?
    (if it is there I did not see it)

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    1. Re:Yeeehaaa (but...) by athakur999 · · Score: 1

      1.0 already has this feature about how to handle incoming links from other applications. Is there something improved about it in 1.0.1?

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    2. Re:Yeeehaaa (but...) by Denver_80203 · · Score: 1

      All works as I'm used to:

      Adblock

      All in one gestures

      Tabbrowser

      scapbook

      smoothwheel

      etc.

      nop issues

    3. Re:Yeeehaaa (but...) by Erigion · · Score: 1

      Uhh... that's under the "What's new for 1.0" So unless you're updating from 0.9 you already have that.

    4. Re:Yeeehaaa (but...) by yogikoudou · · Score: 0

      You can now make links opened by other applications open into a new tab, reuse an existing tab, or open a new window.

      With xchat on linux, you can already do that (firefox 1.0). Right click mozilla firefox > open link in (new tab, new window, current window), or run new firefox.

  7. How does this get posted instead of... by astyanax · · Score: 2, Funny

    the breaking news about Mandrake acquiring Connectiva??

    1. Re:How does this get posted instead of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Scroll down, idiot.

    2. Re:How does this get posted instead of... by Grey+Ninja · · Score: 1

      that was already posted on the main page twice today buddy. =)

    3. Re:How does this get posted instead of... by dhakbar · · Score: 1

      The other 2 replies fail to see the humor in your post, but I did.

      Pat yourself on the back, buddy.

    4. Re:How does this get posted instead of... by Grey+Ninja · · Score: 1

      Actually, I thought he might be joking. But I looked at it for a second, and I thought to myself "Nah, not even a Slashdot geek would make a joke THAT terrible".

    5. Re:How does this get posted instead of... by NiceGeek · · Score: 2, Funny

      You're new here aren't you? (See...another terrible joke)

    6. Re:How does this get posted instead of... by YU+Nicks+NE+Way · · Score: 2, Funny

      In Soviet Russia, you aren't new here, are you?

    7. Re:How does this get posted instead of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Profit!

    8. Re:How does this get posted instead of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And this one time at band ca...

      sorry, wrong type of geek joke...

    9. Re:How does this get posted instead of... by rokka · · Score: 1

      in korea only old people

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    10. Re:How does this get posted instead of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Korea only old people make jokes

    11. Re:How does this get posted instead of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought here, it was

      Your new hear arent u

    12. Re:How does this get posted instead of... by astyanax · · Score: 1

      Wow, I didn't think I'd have to whip out the tags for something so blatant, I guess the slashdot crowd is more ill-humored than I remember.

  8. Re:first post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not.

  9. What's new in 1.0.1 by IO+ERROR · · Score: 0, Redundant
    • Improved stability
    • International Domain Names are now displayed as punycode.

      To show International Domain Names in Unicode, set the "network.IDN_show_punycode" preference to false.

    • Several security fixes.
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    1. Re:What's new in 1.0.1 by mcc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      To show International Domain Names in Unicode, set the "network.IDN_show_punycode" preference to false.

      Please tell me to do it there's a more intuitive way to do that in the GUI.

    2. Re:What's new in 1.0.1 by infogrind · · Score: 1

      It is noteworthy that the Windows installer is now equipped with a digital signature (by the Mozilla Foundation, with a root cert by Thawte). This might well have been done in response to a claim by a Microsoft manager that you don't know what you really get when you download Firefox (especially as there are so many mirrors).

    3. Re:What's new in 1.0.1 by PReDiToR · · Score: 1

      Please tell me to do it there's a more intuitive way to do that in the GUI.

      Why? Do you want to be vulnerable to the spoofing attacks?

      The default behaviour of this setting is to display the URLs so that spoofing won't work, if you are a foreign reader you can set this once and forget about it.

      For the majority of users the default setting is fine, and safe.

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    4. Re:What's new in 1.0.1 by mcc · · Score: 1, Insightful

      What I am asking about at the moment is the exact process of changing the setting away from the default. If you have to at any point ever type the words "network.IDN_show_punycode" to change a basic preference this is not acceptable UI.

    5. Re:What's new in 1.0.1 by SimplexO · · Score: 1

      It's a hidden preference. It's not supposed to be exposed in the GUI. Go to about:config and look at all the hidden prefs. If they all had a front-end, the preference window would look like, well, the mozilla suite.

      Think about it for a second. Your browser allows identical-to-the-eye domain names via a spoofing security issue. Your workaround is to put big "!!!" marks before and after the domain name when it's possible that the user could be spoofed. But really, some people would rather take the risk of getting tricked than have to look at those damn exclamation marks, so you give them a hidden preference.

      Would you, a user interface designer, put this pref in the Options panel? If so, where would you put it?

      If you answered yes to the first question, where would you put browser.blink_allowed? I'm sure somebody somewhere wants that pref exposed. How about browser.chrome.site_icons? "Man, if those little per-site icons don't drive me crazy. I wish I could turn them off, and heaven forbid I type the word chrome, because that's just not acceptable UI."

      Without looking, can you tell me 5 of the options listed in IE's Advanced tab in it's options pane? Since you can't, does that make it good UI that they've exposed those prefs to the user? Don't you think that allowing a "hidden" feature, about:config, to play with all the prefs is an acceptable compromise to facilitate a simple, yet effective UI?

      People like you are reasons why the suite is what it was a year ago. People like Ben Goodger are the reasons why Firefox is objectively better than the suite for almost all people.

      If you've read this far, maybe you would read the Firefox Charter, with their stated goals.

    6. Re:What's new in 1.0.1 by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Please tell me to do it there's a more intuitive way to do that in the GUI.

      It is a stop-gap to avoid having to disable IDNs altogether (Hint: Perfect spoofing, even if only on some fonts is not acceptable). I'm sure there'll be better ways to both display it and configure it in the near future. Since IE doesn't support it, it's not like it is a must-have feature... 90% of the market couldn't use them anyway.

      Kjella

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  10. Re:no mac link? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Post it yourself, bastard.

  11. Does this fix some new types of pop-ups? by stroustrup · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Example: Click on any news story at www.rediff.com and it throws a pop up even in firefox.

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    1. Re:Does this fix some new types of pop-ups? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Running 1.0.1 now, "Firefox has blocked popups..."

      So yes?

    2. Re:Does this fix some new types of pop-ups? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it doesn't.

      Firefox 1.0 here.

    3. Re:Does this fix some new types of pop-ups? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just upgraded and I didn't get any popups. Hope it's fixed because I've received popups on some sites as well.

    4. Re:Does this fix some new types of pop-ups? by stroustrup · · Score: 1

      Yes, I tried with 1.0.1 too and it is fixed! Outstanding!

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    5. Re:Does this fix some new types of pop-ups? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple Safari blocks that.

    6. Re:Does this fix some new types of pop-ups? by Mad+Merlin · · Score: 1
      > Example: Click on any news story at www.rediff.com and it throws a pop up even in firefox.

      On a side note, I didn't see any pop-ups on that page when using Konqueror 3.3.2.

    7. Re:Does this fix some new types of pop-ups? by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      I didn't get pop-ups using FF1.0 or Safari.

    8. Re:Does this fix some new types of pop-ups? by Mr+Ambersand · · Score: 1

      I don't know about firefox, but using Mozilla-stable 1.7.3 on NetBSD-i386 all I got was a dialog box askign me if I wanted to set my pop-up preferences (which I hadn't yet).

      I reloaded the site after setting the preferences and didn't get anything.

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    9. Re:Does this fix some new types of pop-ups? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just installed FF before the story hit /. I don't get pop-ups at rediff.

    10. Re:Does this fix some new types of pop-ups? by MattJakel · · Score: 1

      I'm still running 1.0 and it doesn't throw a popup. Is this bug platform-dependent or what?

    11. Re:Does this fix some new types of pop-ups? by BorgHunter · · Score: 1

      No pop-ups at all for me, using Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041209 Firefox/1.0, which is vanilla Firefox 1.0.

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    12. Re:Does this fix some new types of pop-ups? by TheVidiot · · Score: 1

      No pop-ups in Firefox 1.0+ (nightly build). Good to know!

    13. Re:Does this fix some new types of pop-ups? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably depends on the exact popup code used by each advert. In other words, all these "No popups here!" reports are worthless. Someone create a test page.

    14. Re:Does this fix some new types of pop-ups? by nalav · · Score: 1

      No popup using 1.0 for me. There's about 100 ways to configure all the popup stuff, so that's probably why some people get em and some people don't.

    15. Re:Does this fix some new types of pop-ups? by zxnos · · Score: 1

      i got a pop-up, then added the site to adblock and voila, no more pop-ups (running 1.0.1)

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    16. Re:Does this fix some new types of pop-ups? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      clicking on most links at snopes.com gets me popups with the default settings in 1.0 and 1.0.1

    17. Re:Does this fix some new types of pop-ups? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.warp2search.net/ still throws a popup in 1.0.1 as it did in 1.0.

      This is running on Windows XP, patched to current levels.

    18. Re:Does this fix some new types of pop-ups? by toddf99 · · Score: 1

      blocked for me firefox 1.0.1

    19. Re:Does this fix some new types of pop-ups? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Firefox 0.9.3 and no popups... it's hardly a 'new fix'

    20. Re:Does this fix some new types of pop-ups? by Quino · · Score: 1

      Funny, version 0.93 seems immune to popups from this site as well (Ubuntu rpm package -- didn't upgrade because full screen is broken on Gnome on vanilla firefox it seems).

      I wonder if Ubuntu is backporting fixes to this ol' Firefox ..

    21. Re:Does this fix some new types of pop-ups? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not for me. Running 1.0 on a patched XP box. Perhaps my adblock http://adblock.mozdev.org/ settings are blockig it?

      If you don't have adblock, get it! It's the killer extension for Firefox.

    22. Re:Does this fix some new types of pop-ups? by billmustdie · · Score: 1

      It's in the java settings. Kill Java, kill the popups. Better yet, enable java for sites you need them in ONLY (like my home's router)

    23. Re:Does this fix some new types of pop-ups? by onco_p53 · · Score: 1

      no popups in Mozilla 1.8a6
      (fresh install no adblock)

    24. Re:Does this fix some new types of pop-ups? by Famanoran · · Score: 1

      It would make more sense to me if, rather than it were dependant on the popup code, the browser simply locked its internal function call that spawns a new window, unless the site is authorised to do that...

      You mean it's not done that way?

    25. Re:Does this fix some new types of pop-ups? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ok, what about the popup on spacedaily.com?

    26. Re:Does this fix some new types of pop-ups? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An enormous number of websites rely on "requested popups" (usually onClick), so that wouldn't work for a browser targetted towards general users.

      Speaking of which, I've noticed some sites now pop windows on the "Next Page" link. Probably can't be stopped...

    27. Re:Does this fix some new types of pop-ups? by psin+psycle · · Score: 1

      I have java enabled and I don't get popups either. I think it's flash that gives the popups. I don't install flash and I don't get popups. I've also noticed that other site that people complain about pops have flash...

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    28. Re:Does this fix some new types of pop-ups? by billmustdie · · Score: 1

      I'm starting to question what ppl call a "popup". I had flash on and java /et all OFF and no "real" popups/unders, but had them with it on. What do U think?

    29. Re:Does this fix some new types of pop-ups? by antime · · Score: 1

      Adblock doesn't fix the "popups from links" problem, and neither does Firefox 1.0.1. To see them in action, go to Zophar's Domain (an emulation site) and click on any link in the sidebar.

    30. Re:Does this fix some new types of pop-ups? by Koiu+Lpoi · · Score: 1

      Dude, I added ads.rediff.com to my adblock list (on instinct, really) and didn't get a damn popup.

  12. Re:seems like only yesterday by michaelhood · · Score: 2, Informative

    Hello FUD.

    From changelog:
    International Domain Names are now displayed as punycode. To show International Domain Names in Unicode, set the "network.IDN_show_punycode" preference to false.

    It's just no longer the default, which is what most have been crying for, right? Better security by default so our less web-savvy family and friends don't get owned online?

  13. Check Updates... by adam31 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    How come it doesn't work in the Options->Advanced->Check for Updates tab?

    It says no updates available... Do I need to actually update from the site?

    1. Re:Check Updates... by asa · · Score: 5, Informative

      We'll be turning on the application update mechanism starting next week. Given the daunting task of updating all 27+ million people who have downloaded and are using Firefox today, we've elected to stagger the update over several days.

      --Asa

    2. Re:Check Updates... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "[They] won't be turning on the app update for at least a week. [They're] metering things out so that [they] don't kill [their] infrastructure and [they]'ve got an update bug from 1.0 that causes some nasty server load and [they] need to schedule around the time that load peaks."

    3. Re:Check Updates... by mcn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Thanks. But this delayed mechanism may not be acceptable to general users. We (IT users) may understand the rationale behind. But in order for FF to be accepted widely, the "automatic update" or "check for update" should work before any announcement of such updates.

    4. Re:Check Updates... by ICA · · Score: 1

      Those same people you are referring to probably won't hear about the update either, and almost certainly won't go into their tools menu to manually check for an updated.

    5. Re:Check Updates... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did a manual update check, and it said 1.0 was available -- and did the whole download and installation. I'm already using 1.0.

    6. Re:Check Updates... by Mad+Merlin · · Score: 1
      > Thanks. But this delayed mechanism may not be acceptable to general users. We (IT users) may understand the rationale behind. But in order for FF to be accepted widely, the "automatic update" or "check for update" should work before any announcement of such updates.

      The same "general users" that can't be bothered to ever run something like "Windows Update"?

      Really, I don't think staggered updates will be a big deal, many of those "general users" don't even use their computer every day! Blasphemy, I know, but it happens.

    7. Re:Check Updates... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I really think the general user would prefer not getting the automatic update to getting an error message about the automatic update failing. Now, the chance of an attack being created in a week or so by reverse engineering the fixes does pose a risk, but if you care that much, just download the whole package and install over your old version. Seems to work just fine.

    8. Re:Check Updates... by Synesthesiatic · · Score: 1
      Will we ever see some sort of automatic update feature in Firefox? I know it checks automatically, but if it could update itself as well it'd make my life a lot easier. I do free tech support for a couple of friends, so it saves me having to VNC in and do it myself.

      If not that, then it'd at least be nice if it was more obvious when updates were available. The little arrow thing doesn't really cut it.

    9. Re:Check Updates... by cshields2 · · Score: 5, Informative

      It will most likely not be staggared for the next release, as we will have a major infrastructure upgrade by then allowing the update service to survive the hit all at once. The staggaring had to be done at this point in time.

      Cheers!

    10. Re:Check Updates... by klui · · Score: 1

      I hope the update will change the Windows registry properly. If I uninstall Firefox and reinstall, my icons change back to IE. If I don't uninstall, the entries for the last version stays, especially in the Add/Remove Programs among other places.

    11. Re:Check Updates... by Fortun+L'Escrot · · Score: 1

      bittorrent?

    12. Re:Check Updates... by Fortun+L'Escrot · · Score: 1

      i spoke too soon, i believe its already been set up :)

    13. Re:Check Updates... by Threni · · Score: 1

      > If I don't uninstall, the entries for the last version stays, especially in the
      > Add/Remove Programs among other places.

      Yeah, I made the mistake of trying to uninstall the older versions once - it took out the current version too. I'm sure this is in the FAQ but the behaviour should be obvious, and it's not obvious that attempting to remove older versions will also remove the current version, as many other programs handle this correctly.

    14. Re:Check Updates... by shokk · · Score: 1

      What makes you think general users even know it is out? They are the type of poeple that don't find out about these updates for at least a year.

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  14. Whew! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's about time they fixed those security issues. I was getting tired of using Internet Explore in the meantime.

    1. Re:Whew! by thatiger · · Score: 1

      Not to fear! You will soon be able to download windozs updates through Firefox. ;)

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  15. Re:seems like only yesterday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IE doesn't use IDN, except in some places like Japan, and now they're vulnerable to phishing scams.

  16. Editorialship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Presumably this fixes the window injection vulnerabilities.

    How hard would it have been to have read the release notes and given us a definitive answer?

    1. Re:Editorialship by rkaa · · Score: 1

      Quite hard, since the official changelog isn't updated yet. An unofficial one exists though, and two "Frame injection vulnerabilities" are fixed.
      Links to the (unofficially) fixed bug-reports here:
      http://www.squarefree.com/burningedge/relea ses/1.0 .1.html

      I wonder if they've fixed Mozilla though.. it downloaded "bla.exe" without my knowledge two weeks ago (new build). bla.exe is an agent for "Trojan.Vundo". The firewall blocked its attempt to download the actual damaging code, but all the same - an unpeasant surprice.

  17. It'd be nice if XSLT+XML = HTML kept info on prev by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you download a page which uses XSLT, fill out a form, and then submit; and it is an error condition, if you hit 'back', it doesn't keep your values -- it blanks them out!

    *arggh*

  18. Security Fix by krikat · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does the security fix remove internet explorer?

    1. Re:Security Fix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but it lets you explorer the internet.

    2. Re:Security Fix by OmegaBlac · · Score: 1
      Does the security fix remove internet explorer?
      Unfortunately, no. You will need to install the Debian patch for that fix. ;)
    3. Re:Security Fix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.litepc.com/ieradicator.html

    4. Re:Security Fix by GothicX · · Score: 1

      Hahaha... But let's see what come with IE 7, maybe some things removed like ActiveX.. something.. everyone knows but just now M$ tried to fix it up. Firefox is gaining control =) not remote one :P

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  19. Re:first post by ABeowulfCluster · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Congrats on your first Smackdown.

  20. OS X-specific fixes? by moosesocks · · Score: 4, Informative

    Any word on if this includes fixes for the massive memory leaks in the OS X port? I know they were on track for 1.1, but it's possible they could have made their way into 1.0.1......

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    1. Re:OS X-specific fixes? by BioCS.Nerd · · Score: 1

      I couldn't tell you. But I do see they didn't fix the middle mouse button problem with this release either. It is in the nightlies though the last time I checked.

    2. Re:OS X-specific fixes? by mbaciarello · · Score: 1

      You mean the one where tab-related extensions (and possibly others) simply ignore any middle-mouse click despite what their preferences say?

    3. Re:OS X-specific fixes? by BioCS.Nerd · · Score: 1

      That'd be the one. I installed a nightly last night and that fixed the problem. The only time the nightly has crashed on me is when I have 15+ tabs open or so.

    4. Re:OS X-specific fixes? by MustardMan · · Score: 1

      Yeah it's amazing to me that firefox hasn't supported middle clicking for so damn long. I've been sticking to safari until they get this one nagging issue fixed. It's a shame that middle clicking doesn't work, too, because I would love to have extensions available. I have become so accustomed to middle clicking, however, that I'm not about to give it up.

  21. "Wow, what a fix." by game+kid · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I guess the parent means the code itself is displayed as opposed to the punycode results. It's tougher to spoof letters with Unicode when the punycode source is displayed instead. (...right?)

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  22. Re:first post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Confucius say, second poster is first loser.

  23. Better Release Notes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
  24. Re:seems like only yesterday by jdkincad · · Score: 4, Informative

    They removed default compatibility for international domain names. I wonder how much of an impact this will have on foreign adoption of Firefox over IE

    None. IIRC they just turned off IDN support, and did not remove it. If someone needs it, the can turn it back on.

    IE has no IDN support without third party software, so Firefox is still a better choice if you need IDN support.

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  25. This version doesnt fix some new type of popups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Try this site: It shows a sarcastic popup saying "your browser has successfully blocked a popup!" http://www.indianmasala.com/
    How insulting!

  26. Actual list of changes by timealterer · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here is the full list of changes and related bugs for Firefox 1.0.1.

    You'll note that it's quite terse - this is not the 1.1 update from trunk that will get us rendering fixes, etc. that we'll see in June or so. Almost all security fixes here.

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    - Allen Pike
    Altering time, one time at a time.
  27. Re:seems like only yesterday by jeffg · · Score: 4, Informative
    They removed default compatibility for international domain names.

    Your statement is misleading.

    Support for IDNs is still present, it's just that after inputting a URL using an IDN domain name like http://www.göögle.com/, it is displayed as the punycore representation in the address bar: http://www.xn-ggle-5qaa.com/

    The merits of this work around are certainly up for debate (hint: the debate started years ago).

    I wonder how much of an impact this will have on foreign adoption of Firefox over IE.
    Seeing as no currently shipping version of Microsoft Internet Explorer supports IDNs... you can probably stop wondering. :)
  28. Is a .0.1 dot release really newsworthy by Bustback · · Score: 0
    Firefox 1.0.1 has been officially released by the Mozilla Foundation

    I'm all for keeping up with the latest releases of software, and frequent sites like version tracker to keep all my little gems in tip top shape, but I can't seriously recall when the last time a .0.1 dot release was even remotely newsworthy.

    Let's see how long it takes before a 1.0.1.0.0.1 release makes the news.

    1. Re:Is a .0.1 dot release really newsworthy by homeobocks · · Score: 3, Informative

      As I mentioned in the story, 1.0.1 contains fixes for 9 security holes, some of which allowed spoofing.

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    2. Re:Is a .0.1 dot release really newsworthy by Bustback · · Score: 0

      I'm on OS X - that was 9 security holes fixed that I didn't need to worry about in the first place. Still not newsworthy IMHO (humble opinion being the operative words).

    3. Re:Is a .0.1 dot release really newsworthy by Bruno_me · · Score: 1

      phpBB 2.0.11 was a 0.1 release that fixed a hole used to exploit a few thousand servers...

    4. Re:Is a .0.1 dot release really newsworthy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn, if some scriptkiddie wins one of those "free mini macs", you MacIgnoramuses are going to be some very juicy pickings.

    5. Re:Is a .0.1 dot release really newsworthy by CarlinWithers · · Score: 1

      I think this is newsworthy... Sure not much changed, but Firefox is something that brings us geeks together. It's OK to be excited about a new product/idea/program. Sure it might get a little cartoonish and people might celebrate every small detail. But why spoil our fun?

    6. Re:Is a .0.1 dot release really newsworthy by mcc · · Score: 1

      Right now this story has 182 comments. That's more than any of the three stories before it on the slashdot front page, all of which are hours old.

      Apparently a 0.0.1 release is newsworthy enough that people care more about it than at least three other things on the slashdot front page right now.

    7. Re:Is a .0.1 dot release really newsworthy by Wizarth · · Score: 1

      Excellent point. +1 Insightful (pretend it's a mod point.)

  29. Re:It'd be nice if XSLT+XML = HTML kept info on pr by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I submitted a feature request / bug report regarding the lack of a true "back" button which actually keeps a true page history instead of just a list of URLs (ideally the server would have no idea you hit "back" and would recieve no request at all).
    It turns out problems like this are actually put there on purpose because banking sites have threatened to block Firefox if it doesnt do this.

    As for why there's no about:config option, that's for Jesus to figure out.

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  30. Be kind to the mirrors, use official bittorents!!! by Jedbro · · Score: 5, Informative

    Be friendly to the Mozilla.org mirrors, they
    have set up an official Bittorent seeder.

    -Jed

    ( http://bittorrent.mozilla.org/ )

  31. Re:But can I upgrade using Software update? by bersl2 · · Score: 4, Informative

    They are going to enable that in a few days, after those who know about the upgrade have cleared from the servers, lest they be fried.

  32. Re:It'd be nice if XSLT+XML = HTML kept info on pr by EMR · · Score: 1

    This also happens with regular HTML pages w/o XSLT+XML when doing posts, in both IE and Firefox.

  33. Dual Boot by schnits0r · · Score: 1

    Anyone who has set up a dual boot system like myself, does anyone know if 1.0.1 Windows settings will still be compatible with 1.0 in linux?

    1. Re:Dual Boot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just upgraded to 1.0.1 Windows and there were no problems with 1.0 Linux. All of my settings were still correct.

      After that, I upgraded to 1.0.1 Linux, and everything was still working fine for that as well.

    2. Re:Dual Boot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The third tier of updates (1.0.x) pertain to only minor bug-fixes, so yes they will still be compatible with 1.0 in Linux. Compatibility between 1.0.x and 1.1 may be different story.

  34. Re:Ah, so this software does have vulnerabilities by Jedbro · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Oh yeah, so you are saying I could either
    1) Download a 10 to 20 meg patch for IE... or
    2) Download a 4.5meg Firefox release and have a faster, better, secure, more complaint browser...

    Damn that is a tough choice.

  35. 404 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I went to download it and got sent to getfirefox.com, which game me:

    Not Found

    The requested URL /pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/1.0.1/win32/en-U S/Firefox Setup 1.0.1.exe was not found on this server.


    Great...

    It's not on the FTP site either

    Someone jumped the gun?

    1. Re:404 by rincebrain · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's just not on some mirrors.

      Why not use the torrent?

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      It's only an insult if it's not true.
  36. Major crashing Bug by kyhwana · · Score: 2, Informative

    Is anyone else getting the type a URL into the URL bar crash?
    It doesn't matter what URL I try to enter, with tabs or without, *boom* it crashes.

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    My email addy? should be easy enough.
    1. Re:Major crashing Bug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably the "corrupt profile" thing that's plauged Mozilla since like forever.

    2. Re:Major crashing Bug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a big problem for FF. It is still Mozilla. Strip away the hype and underneath it's just Mozilla with a cute icon.

      hmm.

    3. Re:Major crashing Bug by SteakandcheeseUm · · Score: 1

      nothing on this end.

    4. Re:Major crashing Bug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      try doing a clean install. del your firefox directory and the user directories that store the config info and cache. call us in the morning.

    5. Re:Major crashing Bug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I experienced the same problem.
      It doesn't matter if I try an URL or the google search. Both leads to a crash.
      I installed 1.0 again and it works fine.

    6. Re:Major crashing Bug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Could it be that you were using one of the optimized builds? I experienced the same kind of crash, while a colleague next door, who was using the original build from mozilla.org, had no trouble upgrading.

      In any case, uninstalling the old version and doing a fresh install, seems to have cured the problem.

    7. Re:Major crashing Bug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Assuming your on Windows, try deleting the contents of your Mozilla Firefox dir and reinstall.

    8. Re:Major crashing Bug by code601 · · Score: 1

      I had the moox build before upgrading and this was happening to me, I can verify that deleting you mozilla dir and doing a fresh cleans it right up.

    9. Re:Major crashing Bug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No crash here... you must be on crack.

    10. Re:Major crashing Bug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This crash is probably caused by installing 1.0.1 over a previous .zip/.tar install. You should never install Firefox using the installer to a location where you have previously "installed" a .zip/.tar build. Try to uninstall, remove EVERYTHING from the old install directory and reinstall. Or just install in a different directory. That should help.

  37. Uh-oh... by $uperjay · · Score: 1

    Just downloaded for Win2k; crashes on startup. Uh-oh!

  38. I gave up with Firefox already on the Mac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used it for a while on the Mac, but too clunky. To it's credit it does start to display pages faster than Safari, and ad block is nice but it's just too ugly and depressing a browser. The interface still feels like it is struggling with non-standard Mac ways of drawing windows, the windows feel kind of 'floppy' and Unixy. Very un Mac like. And then if you hit the Expose button a mysterious tiny window appears. Not cool. If you read the console logs, there are tons of warnings about obselete code in Firefox.

    Downloadable themes are all truly horrible as well...(pink cats' paws anyone ?)

    Maybe this fixes some bugs, but I feel Firefox needs to come a longggg way yet for Mac users IMHO.

    1. Re:I gave up with Firefox already on the Mac by nukem996 · · Score: 1

      My mom had a job for awhile that used a mac and had been using firefox for awhile. I put camio(http://www.mozilla.org/products/camino/) on and it worked fine. It uses the mac gui, try that.

    2. Re:I gave up with Firefox already on the Mac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The interface still feels like it is struggling with non-standard Mac ways of drawing windows, the windows feel kind of 'floppy' and Unixy. Very un Mac like.
      Exactly my thoughts. I use Firefox on other unices (and during those occasional painful Windows moments) and it's just great. But the OSX version is horrible interface-wise.
      And then if you hit the Expose button a mysterious tiny window appears. Not cool.
      This one was fortunately fixed in 1.0.
      Downloadable themes are all truly horrible as well...(pink cats' paws anyone ?)
      As someone else pointed out, now there are themes available to accurately mimic the Aqua look, but that does nothing to hide the very un-Aqua-like operation of interface elements.

      Someone mentioned Camino, but to me, it seems like the worst of the two worlds; it has neither the features and plug-in system of Firefox nor the polished interface of Safari.

  39. Slashdot bug? by Maskirovka · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hopefully Slashdot will render correctly in this version.

    1. Re:Slashdot bug? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I'm curious, are you using the Linux version (or Mac, or anything non-Windows)?

      The reason I ask is I've seen so many people post about this Slashdot rendering bug, yet I've never seen it, and I've browsed Slashdot with Firefox on multiple different machines. I was trying to figure out how it is that this problem plagues so many people, yet I've never seen it on any system -- and i've tried it on at least 6 or 7 different computers. Then it occurred to me, all the computers I tried it on were Windows boxes. Maybe this is a platform-dependent bug.

      So, what OS are you running?

    2. Re:Slashdot bug? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you're confused. This is an update of FIREFOX, not SLASHDOT.

      You're waiting for a new version of SLASHDOT.

    3. Re:Slashdot bug? by tajmorton · · Score: 1

      I've found that if you Ctrl+= it and then Ctrl+- it. (E.g, View|Text Size|Increase, View|Text Size|Decrease). BTW, the rendering only seems messed up for me in the Linux version. The windows version works fine...strange.

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    4. Re:Slashdot bug? by ArbitraryConstant · · Score: 1

      screenshot

      Sometimes it's a lot worse, like the text will appear more than a screen to the right, or at the extreme left of the window, undernead the links on the left.

      I've seen it on Windows, Linux, and Mac, on Mozilla and Firefox. Using a proxy server seems to increase the probability of it happening. Most of the time things load fine.

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    5. Re:Slashdot bug? by irhtfp · · Score: 1

      FWIW, the easiest way I've found to refresh the screen is to hold down the control key and roll the mouse scroll wheel forward and then back (or vice versa). This does the same thing as Ctrl+ and Ctrl- .

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    6. Re:Slashdot bug? by skadus · · Score: 1

      Hopefully people will shut up about the Slashdot bug in the next version.

      (Seriously, how often does it happen that resizing the font or downloading an extension can't fix it? I haven't come across it in forever and I look at Slashdot several times a day every day.)

    7. Re:Slashdot bug? by civilizedINTENSITY · · Score: 1

      Cool. How did you know this? I suspect there are many such shortcuts "hiding" in Firefox...

    8. Re:Slashdot bug? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      And for the records the linux version have always worked for me while the win32 shows this bug once in a while

      Could be that i use linux at home (DSL) and win32 at work (OC3)

    9. Re:Slashdot bug? by Joe+Tie. · · Score: 1

      You're lucky, I'm unlucky, or a combination of both. I usually see it about 40% of my page loads.

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    10. Re:Slashdot bug? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.squarefree.com/burningedge/releases/1.1 .html

      Read the bug fixes section - it has been fixed, just not in time for this release.

    11. Re:Slashdot bug? by Mornelithe · · Score: 1

      Maybe you should get the latest version of your ACRONYM DICTIONARY. :)

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    12. Re:Slashdot bug? by Tetrad69 · · Score: 1

      I don't know about the grandparent, but I knew this because it's an IE shortcut.

    13. Re:Slashdot bug? by JimDabell · · Score: 1

      No, it won't, the fix is in the 1.1 branch.

    14. Re:Slashdot bug? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you're confused. The bug is in FIREFOX, not SLASHDOT.

      And you're a fucking MORON. If you're going to call somebody confused, at least make sure you aren't spouting DRIVEL.

    15. Re:Slashdot bug? by jesser · · Score: 1

      There's no branch for 1.1 yet. The bug is fixed on the trunk.

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    16. Re:Slashdot bug? by JimDabell · · Score: 1

      That's what I meant. Sorry for the imprecise (actually, incorrect) language.

    17. Re:Slashdot bug? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's amazing that people still think this is true. I view slashdot on FF in both Linux and Win2K, and there is no problem.

    18. Re:Slashdot bug? by VargrX · · Score: 3, Informative
      If your using Ad-Block, there's a very easy way to fix this - add
      http://images.slashdot.org/pix.gif
      to your block list and the problem go's away.

      I would imagine that this could also be added to a proxy easily enough also.

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    19. Re:Slashdot bug? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a standard shortcut. Works in IE, Office, and OpenOffice.org, too, of what I have installed.

    20. Re:Slashdot bug? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you meant to say i.e. (that is) not e.g. (for example).

  40. Pop-ups by goodgoing · · Score: 1

    Nice to see new releases, but some pop-ups still get through the pop-up blocker.

    1. Re:Pop-ups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get Adblock, configure it better and popups will never appear. The issue is Flash on the page is activating the popups, which the popup blocker can't stop. However if adblock is configured properly then the flash advert never shows up.

  41. Re:Ah, so this software does have vulnerabilities by chickanmonkey · · Score: 1

    b) there's no patch - full install! it's a feature, not a bug

  42. Re:It'd be nice if XSLT+XML = HTML kept info on pr by Mad+Merlin · · Score: 1

    Why is that? Because of the possible security issues when used on a public computer?

  43. why am i hearing this on slashdot ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    and why does the so called "auto update" (thats buried deep in the advanced options menu unlike IE on its toolbar) tell me there are no updates ?
    if you are going to have an autoupdate feature you could at least make it work or remove it until it does !

  44. How can I find out? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I wonder what version I'm using?

    1. Re:How can I find out? by IWannaBeAnAC · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wow. This statement epitomizes everything that has gone wrong with slashdot!

  45. Too bad it still doesn't fix the RAM problem by Kip+Winger · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I downloaded it a few minutes ago, and despite its claims of being a faster browser, it still has the issue of it consuming 48,324K of RAM to simply view this webpage, after a fresh install and start of it. I don't have many bookmarks, RSS feeds, or anything. Opening up a few tabs instantly balooned that amount to 69,424k.

    Even the original Mozilla, which is bloated, uses a mere 20,482K to open slashdot.org, while it can open up my loads of e-mail only using 24,223K of RAM. Using Thunderbird in addition to Firefox, since they don't share the same instance of the Gecko rendering engine, causes another 28,292K of RAM to be used. Internet Explorer 6 even with SP2, on the other hand, only consumes about 3,840K of RAM to open up slashdot.org, and Outlook Express only consumes 2,248K.

    I recall it even being worse on Linux due to the fact that it loads quite a large amount of libraries with it, that runs slowly under older machines even under Fluxbox or the ultra-minimalist evilwm.

    Whatever Firefox does, it should have made it a priority before the 1.0 Release to clean up the amount of RAM it abuses to do what it does. Even after waiting months for 1.01, it seems to have gotten worse than I recall, and I haven't put it in debug mode or developer mode or anything -- I disabled anything like that in the Custom Installation.

    But fortunately, I've got 1GB of RAM, and there's barely any spyware, so I'm ok with it now. I just wish I didn't have to put either Dillo for Linux or IE6 on Win98 for those old late Pentium Is / early Pentium IIs I fix up for people in my spare time, since Firefox is a nice browser despite its flaws. Too bad it won't run decently on anything less than a Pentium III with 256MB of RAM.

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    1. Re:Too bad it still doesn't fix the RAM problem by Bustback · · Score: 0
      Funny how it takes 48,324k to render 74k of text, as of this post.

      Now, where'd the other 48,250k go?

    2. Re:Too bad it still doesn't fix the RAM problem by zxnos · · Score: 2, Interesting

      interesting, on my leet 334MHz celeron 230 MB RAM i have firefox using 18,964K on a slashdot, IE using 15,112K and opera sitting at 18,600K. w/ five tabs in firefox i am at 34,000K... IE and opera have gone doen to 3k and 4.5K respectivley the only problem i have is that firefx has a habit of scrolling the page as it loads. i blame the 2 MB video card...

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    3. Re:Too bad it still doesn't fix the RAM problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can deal with the memory bloat and leaks, but the massive swap-sposion caused by raising the window (Bug 76831) is killing me. (My work box has this shite 5400rpm drive.)

    4. Re:Too bad it still doesn't fix the RAM problem by MrEcho.net · · Score: 1

      Yes they do need to fix the ram issue.

    5. Re:Too bad it still doesn't fix the RAM problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
      But fortunately, I've got 1GB of RAM, and there's barely any spyware, so I'm ok with it now. I just wish I didn't have to put either Dillo for Linux or IE6 on Win98 for those old late Pentium Is / early Pentium IIs I fix up for people in my spare time, since Firefox is a nice browser despite its flaws. Too bad it won't run decently on anything less than a Pentium III with 256MB of RAM.
      Do try K-Meleon, as it performs much better than Firefox on older computers. Its RAM usage should be somewhat lower as it doesn't use XUL for the GUI, but still has Gecko underneath.

      My computer is 4 years old now and Firefox is not a dream to use as it keeps freezing up for 2 seconds whenever its CPU usage maxes out. K-Meleon is much lighter, though not as pretty ;)
    6. Re:Too bad it still doesn't fix the RAM problem by Buelldozer · · Score: 1

      On my Win XP SP2 box, viewing this thread FF consumes 23Meg. That's it.

      If yours is using 48 you might want to investigate your system a bit.

    7. Re:Too bad it still doesn't fix the RAM problem by Owndapan · · Score: 2, Informative
      Mine is at 37K with several tabs opened, 5 RSS feeds, heaps of bookmarks, and with a few extensions installed. This is less than IE opening to a blank page on my PC. Maybe you have a lot of extensions installed? I have never actually seen it higher than 40K (even with heaps of tabs open), but maybe I'm just lucky.

      Note that on Windows, I believe the task manager only reports the maximum amount of memory used, not the current amount.

    8. Re:Too bad it still doesn't fix the RAM problem by Owndapan · · Score: 1

      Errr... 37MB :$

    9. Re:Too bad it still doesn't fix the RAM problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I know anecdotal evidence isn't worth much, but here's what I see looking at this page (no tabs):

      PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
      26677 user 21 1 52608 31m 15m R 4.0 8.3 0:12.31 firefox-bin

      That's 16m unshared memory. Opening a few tabs (5) to this same page:
      26677 user 21 1 55580 32m 15m R 4.0 8.6 0:17.11 firefox-bin

      That's 17m unshared memory.

      Opening 5 more tabs (for a total of 10 tabs) to a more graphics page like fark.com brings it up to:
      26677 user 21 1 67964 38m 15m S 4.3 10.2 0:25.90 firefox-bin

      That's 23m unshared memory.

      Opening 10 more tabs (for a total of 20 tabs, 5 slashdot, 5 fark.com, 10 ps2.ign.com) to a even more graphical page like ps2.ign.com brings it up to:

      26677 user 21 1 106m 81m 23m R 6.9 21.7 0:49.53 firefox-bin

      For a total of 58m unshared memory.

      Closing all 19 of the tabs brings the memory back to:
      26677 user 21 1 91720 70m 17m S 0.3 18.8 0:53.77 firefox-bin

      For a total of 43m unshared memory.

      So yea, not perfect, but I definately don't see 50m or RAM being used after opening the browser.

    10. Re:Too bad it still doesn't fix the RAM problem by darkmeridian · · Score: 2, Informative

      There may be something wrong with your setup. When you uninstall Firefox, you have to delete all the stuff in your Profiles folder. I am running Windows XP SP2 with six tabs, one of which is this website, and there's only 28,288K of memory usage.

      Delete all the stuff in your \Mozilla\Firefox folder when you uninstall Firefox when installing a newer version. There may be extensions getting in the way of your setup.

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    11. Re:Too bad it still doesn't fix the RAM problem by rm999 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps it uses a lot of RAM because you have a lot. I've never taken an OS class, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's a possibility. When I upgraded from 256 to 768 megs of ram, I found my computer actually made use of the additional ram and ran faster (perhaps less paging?).

    12. Re:Too bad it still doesn't fix the RAM problem by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

      Well and good OS will automaticly grow and use the RAM it's given. Windows and BSD both will use all available free RAM for disk cache, if nothing else needs it (I don't know about Linux, but I'd assume so). Take a box with lots of RAM sometime and boot it clean. Wait for the disk to settle after the inital load, and call up something that's fairly large and takes a bit to load. Then close it, and load it again. Notice it loads WAAAAAY faster? IT's still in memory, Windows cached it since it had extra space. It'll stay there until something needs the RAM, then it gets overwritten.

    13. Re:Too bad it still doesn't fix the RAM problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      read the readme. This hasn't been nessesary since 1.0 came out. Uninstall, keep mozilla directory and profile directory, install new version should work for most extensions. If it doesn't work FF should detect which extensions are outdated and disable them by default.

    14. Re:Too bad it still doesn't fix the RAM problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wish people would get over this fear of programs using memory.

      RAM is meant to be used, if you have free (non swap) memory then your system isn't running as fast as it could be.

    15. Re:Too bad it still doesn't fix the RAM problem by Datasage · · Score: 2, Informative

      You CANT use task manager to get the full memory ussage of any app. It only displays the ussage of the physical memory, it doesnt say how much page file space it uses.

      Though I do agree that Firefox could use a bit better memory managemnt, after opening a bunch of windows or tabs, closing them doesnt free up all the memory it used to show the windows.

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    16. Re:Too bad it still doesn't fix the RAM problem by JoshRosenbaum · · Score: 1

      Perhaps the RAM issue is just a dynamicly sized cache that FireFox uses? Perhaps the more RAM you have, the more cache it will use?

    17. Re:Too bad it still doesn't fix the RAM problem by sahrss · · Score: 1, Informative

      Known troll, see parent's posting history.

      I'd like to know what mods modded up an anecdotal post that had no collaboration, from a troll with a history like that!

      As far as anecdotes - 24k of RAM on Win2k, opening 20 new blank tabs barely increases the amount of RAM it uses.

    18. Re:Too bad it still doesn't fix the RAM problem by Myen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Firefox 1.1 (/Mozilla 1.8) should be better - they very recently fixed a bug where (some?) closed tabs, with whatever content on it, got leaked. Not in 1.0.1 / Mozilla 1.7.6 because they're afraid of sticking too many changes into a security release and breaking stuff.

      Bug 283063 if you want to check and know how (to prevent all of /. killing Mozilla's bug database).

    19. Re:Too bad it still doesn't fix the RAM problem by linguae · · Score: 1
      But fortunately, I've got 1GB of RAM, and there's barely any spyware, so I'm ok with it now. I just wish I didn't have to put either Dillo for Linux or IE6 on Win98 for those old late Pentium Is / early Pentium IIs I fix up for people in my spare time, since Firefox is a nice browser despite its flaws. Too bad it won't run decently on anything less than a Pentium III with 256MB of RAM.

      Not quite. I have Firefox running on three very low end machines: a 475MHz K6-2 with FreeBSD, a 266MHz Pentium II with Windows 98se (which I'm typing this comment on now), and (get a load of this) an old junker 120MHz Pentium with Windows 95 that somebody gave to me a few weeks ago, all with 64MB RAM. Firefox runs quite well on all of them; it may take about 10-15 seconds for it to load, but once it is loaded, the brower's speed is pretty well.

      Firefox might not run on an old 386 (has anyone tried yet?), but Firefox seems to take care of old PCs very well, as far as my experieces go.

    20. Re:Too bad it still doesn't fix the RAM problem by EnronHaliburton2004 · · Score: 1

      I'll back you up there.

      I just checked, and Firefox was using over 60M of RAM. It's been running for 12 hours, but I was away for 10 of those hours.

      I just restarted Firefox, and upon startup it uses about 25M of RAM. I quickly visited about 50 sites, and now it's using about 68M of RAM.

      Is this the browser memory cache perhaps?

      I've got the Tabbrowser Preferences, ChatZilla and the Yahoo Toolbar (Official Beta) loaded.

      WinXP SP2, 1.4Ghz, 512M of RAM.

    21. Re:Too bad it still doesn't fix the RAM problem by shellbeach · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Too bad it won't run decently on anything less than a Pentium III with 256MB of RAM.

      I run it on a Cyrix-133Mhz with 40Mb of RAM and Win95 - it runs better (less memory usage, faster) than IE5. Still slow to start up, of course, but I'm not expecting much from an old machine like that ...

    22. Re:Too bad it still doesn't fix the RAM problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "barely any spyware"? LOL!

    23. Re:Too bad it still doesn't fix the RAM problem by CaptainPotato · · Score: 1

      Must be your setup - on my old Celeron 366 with a Voodoo3 2000 and 128mb RAM running Slackware 10.0, with Blackbox as the Window Manager, at 1024x768 it flies along. That is, flies along in comparison to how quickly the same box ran Win98, Win2000 (when the box had 256mb RAM) and using Opera or IE5.5.

      It serves nicely as a backup web browsing machine when my main box is occupied by other things.

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    24. Re:Too bad it still doesn't fix the RAM problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True, but there is no excuse for modern browsers eating so much resources. What is a browser doing ? downloads a bunch of text with http protocol, interprets it and displays it in a window. For goodness sake no browser should be eating up tons of RAM. It should not take 5MB of RAM to display an 8k page. Something is clearly wrong.....

    25. Re:Too bad it still doesn't fix the RAM problem by kawaichan · · Score: 3, Informative

      yes you can.

      go to -> Windows Task Manager -> view -> select column -> check virtual memory size

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    26. Re:Too bad it still doesn't fix the RAM problem by tooth · · Score: 1
      Too bad it won't run decently on anything less than a Pentium III with 256MB of RAM.

      dude, wtf are you talking about? I run it on a pII-333 with 128mb ram and it's useable. My old man runs it on a vanilla pentium (233) with 64 mb ram.. it's a bit slow, but usable. (adblock is the only extension installed)

    27. Re:Too bad it still doesn't fix the RAM problem by cheekyboy · · Score: 1

      I agree the ram prob should be fixed, at least the leaks.

      Though when you think about what ram cost in 1998, ie 2 days wages bought you crap all, today that buys you a huge amount of ram. So perhaps we should all run min 1g ram.

      Though with this bad economy and rich getting richer (bastards), and us poor folk living week to week with increasing credit card debt, we cant just say "screw it buy 1gig ram" when we have lives, and food to buy and rent to pay and electricity to pay for.

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    28. Re:Too bad it still doesn't fix the RAM problem by AbRASiON · · Score: 1

      You are one brave mofo.............

      No seriously - I know people are saying computers are over-powerful for todays basic needs but that thing is a dog,........

    29. Re:Too bad it still doesn't fix the RAM problem by cheekyboy · · Score: 1

      true, i agree, system ram should always be at 100% usage, for cache etc...

      BUT what we hate is stupid ass programs having leaks or caching TOO MUCH when not needed. Stupid ass windows still pages out tonnes of stuff to disk, even though you may only use 400 out of 512meg ram.

      I mean, comon, thats just pure lunacy, crap coding done by idiotic grad programmers.

      Why page out when usage is 80%? Why cant I have a setting, "* DONT PAGE OUT if 95%" for christs /antichrists sake.

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    30. Re:Too bad it still doesn't fix the RAM problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just for the heck of it, I decided to repeat my tests using the latest nightly from the trunk.

      This page:
      PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
      27574 user 21 1 51416 27m 14m S 3.7 7.3 0:08.01 firefox-bin

      So that's 13m of unshared mem.

      5 slashdot tabs of this page:
      27574 user 21 1 52772 28m 14m S 1.3 7.7 0:11.73 firefox-bin

      So that's 14m of unshared memory

      5 tabs of this page, and 5 of fark.com:
      27574 user 21 1 60644 36m 14m S 1.3 9.6 0:18.45 firefox-bin

      22m unshared mem.

      5 tabs here, 5 of fark.com, 10 of ps2.ign.com:
      27574 user 21 1 74092 49m 14m S 2.3 13.2 0:31.36 firefox-bin

      35m of unshared mem.

      Closing of all 19 tabs (leaving just this page):
      27574 user 21 1 71500 51m 14m S 1.7 13.7 0:36.08 firefox-bin
      37m of unshared mem.

      Well, it still doesn't appear to free up the memory after closing tabs yet, however it does seem to use less memory :)

    31. Re:Too bad it still doesn't fix the RAM problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I must second this post.

      K-Meleon is the only Gecko-based browser that contains the functionality and security of Gecko in a form that is usable on machines scaling all the way down to 486s. The machine I use the most at work is a non-MMX Pentium @ 200 MHz w/128 MB EDO RAM and a 5400 RPM ATA/33 hard disk, and K-Meleon is the only modern browser that flies on this system. Even a base Netscape 4.8 browser-only install on the same system is slower to load and run, somehow. It's so fast and stable compared to Firefox that it is also my main browser on my PII, PIII, Athlon, and P4 systems at home. And get this....no Seamonkey or Firefox build has _ever_ run well on my K6-2/450, but it's been running every version of K-Meleon just perfectly since version 0.6 (K-Meleon is currently at version 0.9).

      It really does make a huge difference not to use XUL for every interface element in the browser. K-Meleon (and Camino for the Mac, which I enjoy using as well) prove that point very well. And as for extensions....the only extensions I really care about come as default features implemented as kplugins in the K-Meleon default install, including the equivalent of flashblock and _configurable mouse gestures_. Great, great stuff at work here, and I hope the current K-Meleon team can find talented contributors who are willing to help accelerate development. That's the only downside to the project as far as I'm concerned: Not enough contributors means milestone releases are not made very often.

    32. Re:Too bad it still doesn't fix the RAM problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. And much in the same way, any good browser will use spare RAM to cache rendered pages. I seem to remember that even Netscape 4.x had a setting where you could alter the amount of RAM it used for caching purposes (distinct from the cache disk space).

    33. Re:Too bad it still doesn't fix the RAM problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The task manager on NT-based Windows versions is capable of displaying both current RAM in use as well as maximum amount of RAM used since launch.

      I'm on a seriously ignored W2K PC right now, running Firefox 0.8. I have 67 tabs open across seven windows, and my current mem usage is about 76 MB, peak mem usage is about 109 MB. In the process view of task manager, check view | select columns and select what columns you'd like to watch. For Gecko debugging purposes, I highly recommend checking mem usage, peak mem usage, and GDI objects in addition to any of the other defaults. (GDI objects was a major deal with recent versions of Firefox, Seamonkey, and K-Meleon, because of a GDI leak that these browsers once shared, which caused drastic screen corruption after many objects were loaded. This bug has been fixed in all of these browsers, but it's still a good idea to make sure that your apps are playing nice and fair with GDI resources.)

    34. Re:Too bad it still doesn't fix the RAM problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how about; I still use a PII 233MHz / 96MB RAM. Runs firefox petty well.
      I have 2 servers; 1 166-MHz server (web/smtp/spamassassin/imap4/pop3/ftp/apache2/ssl) and a powermac clone running as server at 200MHz, 92MB ram. used for mail relaying, intranet server, fileserver, IRC server, used for shell.

      Okay, my workstation is faster, a athlon at 1100mhz, 200MB mem. But still.. I think I could do with much slower stuff.. just use a lighter DE.

    35. Re:Too bad it still doesn't fix the RAM problem by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Well, it still doesn't appear to free up the memory after closing tabs yet, however it does seem to use less memory :)

      Just out of curiosity, how large mem cache are you using ? Because if you have any, the pages displayed in tabs would stay there even after the tabs were closed.

      I currently have 6 windows open in FF 1.0 Linux, several which are showing image galleries and the rest showing Slashdot pages (about 40 tabs in total), with a total memory consumption of 153 megs (90 megs RSS, 16 megs shared, 20 megs memory cache). I've never seen the memory consumption go over 200 megs, even with hundreds of tabs open.

      Now if only I could get my in-development extension, multi-level tabs (which would allow each tabbed "sub-window" to have their own row of tabs, and these sub-windows have their own, and so on, to form a hierarchical tab tree instead of the flat list we now have) working - there appears to be a bug in FF, causing it crashes when you close tabs in this setup...

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    36. Re:Too bad it still doesn't fix the RAM problem by m50d · · Score: 1

      Try Konqueror or Epiphany under linux and Opera under windows for slower machines.

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    37. Re:Too bad it still doesn't fix the RAM problem by Jugalator · · Score: 1

      Is this the browser memory cache perhaps?

      Yes, Firefox, even the 1.1 nightlies is known to grow beyond its own bound of the memory cache. When you have bad memory problems, type about:cache in the address bar and you'll likely see the maximum cache size is lower than your current size. This has been going on for a pretty long time by now, and I've personally had Firefox use over 100 MB myself quite easily, and when I stress tested it once, I got it over 700 MB.

      When I was having a single browser open, with a single tab, showing Firefox.com.

      And don't tell me Firefox is deciding how to best use the RAM, and it's using that much to improve browser performance, since the entire OS was sluggish as hell after this until I closed its process.

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    38. Re:Too bad it still doesn't fix the RAM problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True. That something is your understanding about what's going on.

    39. Re:Too bad it still doesn't fix the RAM problem by Lord+Omlette · · Score: 1

      Maybe the guy is a troll, but Firefox used to regularly eat up hundreds of megs of memory. Now I make it a point to just use Ctrl-Alt-Del to kill all instances of Firefox every hour or so, which is hardly a friendly solution.

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    40. Re:Too bad it still doesn't fix the RAM problem by shellbeach · · Score: 1

      No seriously - I know people are saying computers are over-powerful for todays basic needs but that thing is a dog,........

      *grin* ... it's not through choice! Just happens to be the PC connected to the microscope at one place where I do research, and if I want to check my mail or read /. it's that or nothing. Don't worry, at home I've got an AthlonXP 2000 with 512Mb RAM; at my normal workplace there's P4s with the same. But any port in a storm ...

    41. Re:Too bad it still doesn't fix the RAM problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sigh. That's slashdot for you...
      I too had the feeling this was a troll, went to his history and bingo.
      so i dutifully modded -1, troll.
      Today I get the message I got meta-moderated unfair for doing so, yay.

  46. Re:What's Firefox? by ICA · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wow, I'm guessing this was an attempt to be funny, but it missed so badly I had a hard time figuring out what it was trying to say. Thanks for the useful post.

  47. A few bugs in this release by CaptBubba · · Score: 4, Informative
    After installing 1.0.1 on WinXP I could not navigate anywhere. Everytime I would hit enter after typing something into the location bar firefox would crash.

    I've gone back to 1.0 and there are no problems. here's a link to the windows 1.0 versions in case anyone else similarly needs to revert back.

    1. Re:A few bugs in this release by kyhwana · · Score: 1

      Try uninstalling 1.0 and then doing a clean install of 1.0.1, that worked for me.
      (Uninstalling firefox keeps your profile so all your extensions/etc are still there, except where you installed plugins into the program directory)

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    2. Re:A few bugs in this release by blanktek · · Score: 1

      I can vouch that this fixes the problem. If you click the error report it reports the offending module is version 1.0.0. It seems the update isn't great, because I had to uninstall, then manually delete the directory.

    3. Re:A few bugs in this release by sublimusasterisk · · Score: 1

      I just wanted to voice the fact that I'm experiencing this as well. I went back to either the official or the the MOOX version of 1.0 and everything is fine again.

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    4. Re:A few bugs in this release by Jason+O'Neil · · Score: 1

      I read somewhere else on this page that it is due to using an optimised version of Firefox. (One made to run faster on your processor). A couple of others are experiencing the exact same problem.
      Try uninstalling completely, and then re installing. Alternatively, keep using 1.0 until they release versions that are optimised for your processor type.

    5. Re:A few bugs in this release by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      here's a link to the windows 1.0 versions

      Firefox supports Windows 1.0 ?? :-)

    6. Re:A few bugs in this release by dveditz · · Score: 2, Informative

      This crash is bug 280084. We have tracked this down to people who install 1.0.1 over an earlier .zip build. The file structure is different: never, ever mix the two.

      Solution:
      - don't use .zip builds
      - if you must use .zip builds you must always install each build into a new directory. There is no installer to do any cleanup of obsolete files.
      - if you've already mixed the two uninstall and re-install 1.0.1 into a virgin directory. If the crash persists anyway delete "xpti.dat" from your profile.

    7. Re:A few bugs in this release by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Good God, you should not have to UNINSTALL AND THEN REINSTALL THE FREAKING APPLICATION TO GO FROM 1.0.0 to 1.0.1!

      This is a major security flaw - the fact that Firefox is so fucking hard to upgrade (and upgrades break any themes and extensions you were using) means that a lot of people are going to get fed up and stick with their current version, holes or no holes. And Firefox users will get 0wn3d and Firefox will look bad.

      For fuck's sake, guys, I'll even put up with a reboot, if you can just Get. Firefox. Upgrading. EASILY!

    8. Re:A few bugs in this release by bmalia · · Score: 1

      I agree. My grandma isn't going to know how to delete the previous installation and re-install. The automatic update feature needs to WORK and 1.0.1 should NOT be rolled out on automatic update until it does, even if it has to disable some extensions! That's better than having the whole thing crash!

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    9. Re:A few bugs in this release by CaptBubba · · Score: 1

      I have never installed a .zip build of firefox. firebird and pheonix yes, but not firefox.

  48. Re:Ah, so this software does have vulnerabilities by Joe123456 · · Score: 0

    The ie update aslo updates system stuff

  49. Re:This version doesnt fix some new type of popups by ebingo · · Score: 1

    In fact, it seems like it's a pop-up that pops another one.
    But here, Firefox still blocked the first and the second one. I had to ask Firefox to show me the blocked windows to see what it was about and understand what you meant.

  50. Re:Be kind to the mirrors, use official bittorents by game+kid · · Score: 0

    Finally, a seeder that won't get taken down amid __AA threats. Hopefully we at Slashdot won't take said seeder down with the rush to download the new 'fox (though I doubt a small seeder dl will do that to something like the Mozilla site).

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  51. Re:Ah, so this software does have vulnerabilities by lokalhost · · Score: 1

    ah yes, the browser does complain about all those poorly coded sites that ie renders fine.

  52. Re:It'd be nice if XSLT+XML = HTML kept info on pr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, IE/Mozilla preserves form values on this very comments.pl page. Might depend on the cache settings.

  53. Re:What's Firefox? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Thanks. I thought it was just me there that couldn't make any sense of this... Perhaps he's just confused, but IE does that to people, can't blame him.

  54. Awesome news! by realmolo · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm gonna read about it tomorrow on Slashdot! Or maybe even later tonight!

  55. Bittorrent! by GarfBond · · Score: 4, Informative
    Official BT Torrents here!

    Now if you're worried about putting too much strain on the Mozilla download servers, use the BT links!

    Alternatively, this page lists translations and direct download links

    1. Re:Bittorrent! by cortana · · Score: 1

      Bit Torrent Torrents? ;)

  56. Slashdot rendering bug fixed for me by ID000001 · · Score: 1

    I have been using Firefox on Slashdot for a long time and the rendering error have always been there on 90% of the time I load. After upgrading to 1.0.1 it seem to have been completely fixed for me. Thanks!

  57. Now in more languages by teslatug · · Score: 2, Informative

    They upped the number of localized versions.

  58. Re:Ah, so this software does have vulnerabilities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Speaking of FF, you wrote, "more complaint (sic) browser..."

    I'm with you, I'd definitely complain if forced to use FF.

    Well let's see why. The IE update actually updates a number of potential vulnerabilities in several libraries that Windows uses, thus fixing several things in a large OS. When patching FF, you only fix a file or two. An equivalent comparison would be an apt-update along with a patch to FF.

    Secondly, FF is NOT faster, despite the FUD that FF zealots like to spread. I've timed both and it takes FF several seconds longer to start up as well as to render a complex page.

    Not a tough choice here. FF is still in geek beta. As FF gets more and more use, we'll start to see a flurry of these security updates, yup... makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

  59. Re:It'd be nice if XSLT+XML = HTML kept info on pr by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 1

    yeah, though there were also some notes about what information could be stored in cache, which I suppose might have something to do with spyware or viruses (*randomguess)

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  60. Update button? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So why is there a software update "Check Now" button in the FireFox options, when it doesn't find and install this? Is it a feature that has yet to be implemented, or is there some other configuration setting I need to do first for it to work?

    Not that it's tough to manually download & install the update. It'd just be nice if I could tell my co-workers to "click on this button and it'll update itself."

    1. Re:Update button? by hyu · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As someone else mentioned earlier, though it's worth repeating, in order to stagger the downloads and not overload the servers the update feature from within Firefox will not be enabled for roughly a week.

  61. Re:seems like only yesterday by theguyfromsaturn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think a better approach to this issue would be an "intelligent" punycode display. For instance, if any ASCII character is respresented using IDN characters then AND ONLY THEN should punycode be used.

    As I understand it, there is only one IDN representation of non ASCII characters, if the only characters using IDN are non ASCII, then the address cannot be spoofed. However if an ASCII character is being represented using IDN representation, then spoofing is likely taking place, switch to punycode. This would preserve the ease of use for end users (punycode url are incomprehensible however much more comprehensible than other things they may be) without affecting the security since unnecessary use of IDN codes would trigger the "fishy" flag.

    What do you think? Does this approach make sense. If so what is the best way to transmit this view to Firefox developpers?

    Of course, I could be out to lunch on this one too, since I don't know in detail how the IDN thing works.

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  62. New Download Count? by Denver_80203 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I would be interesting to see how many people download 1.0.1 over time vs 1.0. Statistically it would be hard to say how many people upgraded, didn't upgrade, first copy of firefox was 1.0.1 but, I would like to see the number seperately.

    1. Re:New Download Count? by duncanbojangles · · Score: 0

      Statistically it would be hard to say how many people upgraded, didn't upgrade, first copy of firefox was 1.0.1

      They could do a simple check to see what browser the request came from to tell if it was a new user of firefox or someone upgrading. I doubt anyone would upgrade firefox using a different web browser.

  63. Tablet PCs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I wish they would fix the pen input problem on the tablet PC. I'd rather use firefox, but I'm stuck with IE until I can easily enter pen input into the browser fields.

  64. Good Experience by CarlinWithers · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's nice to see so much enthusiasm in the computer world. Personally, I've loved Firefox. It's nice to have the same browser in both Windows and Linux. Got it late (about 2 months ago), but it's done me good. I couldn't go back to non-tabbed browsing and no nested searches window. Also, scanned with ad-aware today. Only two files!!! Both in IE cache from the few times I've had to use IE for ActiveX integrated sites. Used to think 500 was normal. Thanks Firefox, and I expect more good coming from this.

    1. Re:Good Experience by Myen · · Score: 1

      Of those 500, how many are cookies?

      And is Ad-aware scanning Firefox cookies? It doesn't seemt to be doing that for me.

      In particular, it saw an 2o7.net cookie for IE but not Firefox (I explicitly told it to just scan my Firefox profile). I would expect more in Firefox because I rarely even use IE now...

    2. Re:Good Experience by CarlinWithers · · Score: 1

      That's a good call. Although if you have it scanning the whole disk, doesn't that include cookies that would be in a firefox directory? I assume that they use the same cookies as IE.

    3. Re:Good Experience by Myen · · Score: 1

      Firefox uses Mozilla's cookie system - it has a cookies.txt file that holds all cookies, as opposed to IE's one text file per cookie.

      Also, as I said above - I told Ad-aware to explicitly scan my Firefox profile directory, where my cookies are, and it didn't find the things it would for IE. So it seems to not understand Firefox cookies at all. Hence, whether it's the whole disk wouldn't matter.

    4. Re:Good Experience by Gorath99 · · Score: 1

      That's odd. Adaware occasionally does find tracker cookies on my machine and I only use IE for banking sites.

      Do you have the most recent version of Adaware (not just the data files)?

    5. Re:Good Experience by Myen · · Score: 1

      Ad-Aware SE Personal, 1.05, did the auto-update.
      WinXP (not like that matters)

      Maybe it's because I have Personal?

  65. Re:This version doesnt fix some new type of popups by mrnobo1024 · · Score: 3, Informative

    That's not actually a popup, it's just an image inside an with CSS "position: absolute". There's no way to stop this unfortunately, blocking absolute positioning would screw up a lot of site's layouts.

  66. Re:This version doesnt fix some new type of popups by LnxAddct · · Score: 2, Informative

    It blocks fine in 1.0 and 1.0.1.
    Regards,
    steve

  67. Re:This version doesnt fix some new type of popups by whitespacedout · · Score: 1

    Version 1.0 blocks it just fine AFAIK.

  68. Did you have the flash blocker? by Kip+Winger · · Score: 1, Informative
    I've heard from a few friends that the plugin that blocks Flash animations from playing until you hit the large button in the center will crash any pages that load flash under Firefox 1.0. Which is pretty much anything, from cnn to ebaums to slashdot itself.

    Uninstall Firefox, delete your C:\progra~1\Firefox folder, and then delete the extensions folder from your profile under C:\docume~1\(username)\applic~1\mozilla\firefox folder, and install Firefox 1.0.1. It'll work fine.

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    1. Re:Did you have the flash blocker? by CaptBubba · · Score: 2, Informative

      Interesting. I do not have that plugin installed, however I do have another (adblock) that overlays flash animations with a clickable tab. Perhaps that could be what is causing the problem.

    2. Re:Did you have the flash blocker? by DoraLives · · Score: 1
      I've heard from a few friends that the plugin that blocks Flash animations from playing until you hit the large button in the center will crash any pages that load flash under Firefox 1.0

      No such thing has ever happened to ANY of the machines I've loaded with 1.0 (and there's been a bunch) along with flashblock (all of those machines).

      Just so you know, ok?

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    3. Re:Did you have the flash blocker? by DoraLives · · Score: 0
      I do have another (adblock) that overlays flash animations with a clickable tab. Perhaps that could be what is causing the problem.

      Likely not. Adblock has been rock solid running version 1.0 in every machine (quite a bunch) I've ever loaded them into.

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  69. Re:Ah, so this software does have vulnerabilities by freitasm · · Score: 3, Informative

    Secondly, FF is NOT faster, despite the FUD that FF zealots like to spread. I've timed both and it takes FF several seconds longer to start up as well as to render a complex page.

    Well said... Check previous /. story with browser speed comparison. Opera is faster, but IE is actually faster than Firefox in most operations.

  70. Re:This version doesnt fix some new type of popups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AFAIKT firefox/linux doesn't do that, but I have seen some java popups under the same setup (after I turned them on for my router admin)

  71. horrible themes? by SweetAndSourJesus · · Score: 2, Informative

    Have you seen the GrApple themes?

    Über secks.

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    1. Re:horrible themes? by kyhwana · · Score: 1

      Bah, Mac OS X only.
      Why don't they port these over to win32/linux?

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  72. STILL GETTING POPUPS... by furry_wookie · · Score: 0

    Man... still getting some of those new popups.

    I was hoping they fixed it.

    Here for example and you get some:
    http://www.drudgereport.com

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    1. Re:STILL GETTING POPUPS... by digitalchinky · · Score: 3, Informative

      Seriously, you need to spend a little more quiet time with google. +firefox +popup +blocking +tutorial

      It's not hard. I see nothing except for the odd tiny fraction of css crap.

      Fix it yourself because - 'they' - will never hold your hand until it works just nice and peachy the way you personally want.

      If a site you like has more advertising than actual content, then maybe you need to go elsewhere. The net is a pretty big place, apparantly with lots of duplication...

    2. Re:STILL GETTING POPUPS... by SweetAndSourJesus · · Score: 1

      "Fix it yourself because - 'they' - will never hold your hand until it works just nice and peachy the way you personally want."

      I'm sure a good deal of Firefox's acceptance can be attributed to developers/people in the know not having that shitty attitude.

      Do you drive by stranded motorists and scream at them for not being mechanics?

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    3. Re:STILL GETTING POPUPS... by digitalchinky · · Score: 1

      You missed the point by a wide margin. I was not trolling, software will always be a few steps behind the advertisers, the only way to stay in front is to 'learn', rather than 'depend'

      Stopping popups in firefox with a tiny amount of tweaking is insanely simple - there are numerous tutorials about it.

      Your last: I do drive by and admonish them if they are placing either themselves, myself, or other motorists in danger with their actions. If I can assist by pushing the 'problem' off to a safer location, I will.

      My attitude is not shitty, it is simply intolerant of people who fail to help themselves in the face of such overwhealming documentation.

    4. Re:STILL GETTING POPUPS... by kurokaze · · Score: 1

      I think you missed his point... you have to ask yourself, for what audience was FireFox intended?

      Granted, the parent of this thread reads /., so at the very least you can assume he's somewhat technically inclined. However, for the mass market audience that FireFox targeted, I can almost guarantee that none of them are interested in hunting for documentation for a problem that they probably can't even articulate.

      Last but not least, intolerant attitudes don't help anybody.

  73. Re:seems like only yesterday by jeffg · · Score: 2, Informative
    However if an ASCII character is being represented using IDN representation, then spoofing is likely taking place, switch to punycode.
    [...]
    Of course, I could be out to lunch on this one too, since I don't know in detail how the IDN thing works.

    It might be time for you to do a little more reading...

    The issue isn't an ASCII letter being "represented using an IDN representation" in the way that you seem to imply.

    It's a matter of an ASCII character being replaced with a unicode letter that LOOKS the same. It's not just a different way of encoding the same character, it's an entirely different letter that just LOOKS like the letter it is impresonating.

    That's why it's called a homograph attack. :)

  74. Pop-ups on Drudge by tkeubank · · Score: 1

    what is with the pop ups on drudge report, they have always been blocked before. How do you get rid of these new ones? The pop-up icon does not display like it normally does... arrgggg!

    1. Re:Pop-ups on Drudge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      You admit you look at that site? You should have your ID taken away.

    2. Re:Pop-ups on Drudge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I read it for shits and giggles every once and a while. What's wrong with that?

    3. Re:Pop-ups on Drudge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All the more reason to use adblock. Even if you have reservations about blocking ads, it works great to stop those nasty popup scripts from running

  75. Firefox sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Firefox Sucks!
    It's so slow to load. Much slower than IE.
    It doesn't even render pages properly. IE has always been perfect.
    What's this about Firefox vulnerabilities? IE with SP2 is much safer.

    Who uses Firefox? Only Linux zealots, hippies, and Mac users.

    Real computer users use IE. Us real computer users that actually have jobs will not deal with third-class software like Firefox.

    The moderating system did not hinder me from posting this.
    -Computer Expert.

    1. Re:Firefox sucks by kanarde · · Score: 1

      Just because you "sign" your post "computer expert" doesn't mean you are one...

      -God

    2. Re:Firefox sucks by linguae · · Score: 1
      Who uses Firefox? Only Linux zealots, hippies, and Mac users.

      I'm a FreeBSD user who occasionally uses a Windows box, yet I'm a Firefox user. Hmmm, what does that make me? According to your logic, Netcraft confirmed that I'm a dying, Microsoft shill.

      Real computer users use IE. Us real computer users that actually have jobs will not deal with third-class software like Firefox.

      Real computer users use the best tools available. Us real computer users that actually have jobs will not waste their time and efforts with insecure, buggy, non-standards compliant software like Internet Exploder.

      Have fun cleaning out your machine for spyware for the umpteenth time.

    3. Re:Firefox sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This should be modded as funny. Some people on /. have no sense of humour. I've noticed.

      Mac users don't use Firefox much anyway.

    4. Re:Firefox sucks by billmustdie · · Score: 5, Funny

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 24, @10:35PM (#11773968) Firefox Sucks! It's so slow to load. Much slower than IE. It doesn't even render pages properly. IE has always been perfect. What's this about Firefox vulnerabilities? IE with SP2 is much safer. Who uses Firefox? Only Linux zealots, hippies, and Mac users. Real computer users use IE. Us real computer users that actually have jobs will not deal with third-class software like Firefox. The moderating system did not hinder me from posting this. -Computer Expert.

      Rofl
      Who comes up with this stuff?

    5. Re:Firefox sucks by mjkjedi · · Score: 1

      I don't know why everyone's taking this seriously... it's a joke. It has to be a joke. Someone's sense of humor is too subtle for the slashdot crowd, maybe?

      If it's not, I'm laughing anyway.

    6. Re:Firefox sucks by a8o · · Score: 1

      Bill Gates?

  76. Fixes? Heh. by lastberserker · · Score: 0, Troll

    Didn't you wish they fixed setup as well? Well, wish again!

    And yes, I downloaded from the main site using Firefox 1.0 PR, so nothing and nobody else to blame here.

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    1. Re:Fixes? Heh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Troll? What the heck?!

      These show an error during Firefox's installation process.

    2. Re:Fixes? Heh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is all fake, they are manipulated images.

    3. Re:Fixes? Heh. by lastberserker · · Score: 1

      I wish they were! :-( No, all 100% genuine from my third in a row attempt to install fresh Firefox. I guess I'm stuck with 1.0 PR until 1.1 comes out.

      Burn, karma, burn...

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    4. Re:Fixes? Heh. by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Well, the error message says that we should complain to Microsoft about it. Maybe the installer program was made by Microsoft ? Can we start wild speculation about a conspiracy and/or Microsoft bashing now ?

      BTW. MODERATORS ! Parent is propably not troll. There is no evidence that these screenshots were forged. Please understand the difference between legitimate conplains and trolling before moderating. Thank you.

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    5. Re:Fixes? Heh. by Myen · · Score: 1

      Wow.. :)

      Where did you get the setup from? Just asking because the image has references to 2004-09-10 (Seamonkey 1.7.3 branch?)

      Since Firefox 1.0 was ~1.7.5, that would mean it's a pre-1.0 installer... Maybe try re-downloading it? Or from a different mirror?

    6. Re:Fixes? Heh. by NoMercy · · Score: 1

      The installer is relatively new in the scheme of things, though it does seem to be the only version you can get your hands on easilly.

      Win32 zip distribution:
      http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/rel eases/1.0.1/win32/en-US/Firefox 1.0.1.zip

      Torrent of the same:
      http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/rel eases/1.0.1/win32/en-US/Firefox 1.0.1.zip.torrent

    7. Re:Fixes? Heh. by cortana · · Score: 1

      Browse ftp.mozilla.org for a zip file of Firefox. No need for any crappy installer program. :)

  77. Huh... by panth0r · · Score: 0

    Why would anyone use iE anymore?!

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  78. Crashing problems. by Captain+Scurvy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sadly, this update doesn't fix the crashes I've been experiencing lately. Firefox crashes with me on certain URLs, especially those crappy xanga/myspace pages that are heavily-laden with video and sound. Before 1.0, I never experienced a crash. I make sure to submit the crash reports, though, so hopefully someone can figure out what's on.

  79. Automatic upgrade stats by bstadil · · Score: 1
    Good point. asa a bit down in this thread mentioned they will turn on the Upgrade system in a few days, due to bandwidth issues.

    The stats from that should give a good indication of how many of the 27MU downloads are being used.

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  80. Re:What's Firefox? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, replying to a post you didn't find funny to let the poster know that you didn't find it funny. Thanks for the useful post.

  81. Re:Ah, so this software does have vulnerabilities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice troll, but the last "Cumulative Update" for IE was only ~3.7MB.

    PS -- everyone remember to download your 15MB critical Java patch!

  82. No more mr. Memory Hog by Daedalon · · Score: 5, Informative

    Windows users who have problems with Mozilla software (Firefox, Thunderbird or Suite) being too slow or using too much memory and CPU, check out the Moox optimized builds.

    One of my friends reported having constantly about 100 MB more free memory after switching to Moox M2 in his Athlon XP. A bit of a warning though: I tried to install original 1.0.1 over Moox M2 1.0, and it now crashes every time I press enter in the URL bar. Now typing in Internet Explorer, I'm anxiously waiting for Moox optimized 1.0.1 builds to come out and solve the situation.

    1. Re:No more mr. Memory Hog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you miss the article a week or so back where they tested Moox builds against the official release and found that in ALL CASES the so-called "optimized" builds were in fact SLOWER?

  83. Just upgraded and I already found a bug :/ by Nimloth · · Score: 0

    Anyone else get instant crash every time they try to load about:config in the address bar?

    1. Re:Just upgraded and I already found a bug :/ by Famanoran · · Score: 1

      nope, not me.

    2. Re:Just upgraded and I already found a bug :/ by Nimloth · · Score: 0

      It's worse than I though, anything I type in the address bar or the google bar, when I hit enter it just closes Firefox and kills the process.
      I disabled all my extensions (which seemed to work anyways) and put back the default theme, still no luck.
      I'm looking on the Firefox support forums, seeing a lot of bug reports but not this perticular one :/

    3. Re:Just upgraded and I already found a bug :/ by Nimloth · · Score: 0

      Ok well it's fixed now, posting this in case some of you experience the same thing.

      I had downloaded the optimized build of Firefox 1.0 for Barton core chips, and it seemed that the upgrade, although it didn't complain upon install, didn't like that very much.

      I restored the old directory I had backed up before installing that build (the official 1.0 realease), then I reinstalled 1.0.1 and everything works.

  84. I'm excited by SteelV · · Score: 1

    I read Slashdot multiple times each day, but there are certain news stories that really excite me. Firefox updates / information, as well as new Google features / sites.

    Of course, various other articles inerest me as well, but those excite me. :)

    Too bad there weren't too many "visible" updates, however security is always a good thing!

    Unfortunately, I can't update right now, I guess their servers are temporarily overloaded. I'll try later!

    1. Re:I'm excited by tritonic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      True, some people seem a bit worried that Slashdot.org is turning into FireFoxNews.org. But I'm with you

      Remember that it's not just one geek-friendly browser we're talking about here - the future of the entire internet's at stake. The popularity of this one browser could be the only thing that prevents the web turning into a microsoft-dominated proprietary system a few years down the line, destroying any chance linux might have had on desktop machines.

      And if that's not an exciting and important Slashdot story, I don't know what is.

  85. Re:This version doesnt fix some new type of popups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mod up. (You could disable javascript of course -- I'm seeing these DHTML ads on a bunch of sites.)

  86. Re:What's Firefox? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, replying to a post that you didn't find useful to let the poster know that you didn't find it useful. Thanks for the useful post.

    Erm. Wait...

  87. too sexy for your linux by SweetAndSourJesus · · Score: 1

    Goes to show you can't please everyone, I guess.

    Mac guy: All these themes suck!
    Linux guy: Man, why can't we get those sexy mac themes?
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  88. What I love about Firefox ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... (and Mozilla software in general) is easy upgrades. Firefox "remembers" all the settings and comes back after upgrade exactly as it was. That's very good.

    WinAmp, OTOH, is sucky when it comes to upgrades. It remembers nothing and needs to be reconfigured after upgrade. Hope, it'll get fixed some day.

  89. Re:This version doesnt fix some new type of popups by mcc · · Score: 3, Funny

    That's, um, not exactly a popup. That's a picture of a windows popup, in the webpage itself.

    Somehow the illusion is less convincing when you use a Macintosh and you find yourself looking at a Windows XP window border...

  90. Not quite. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Don't worry about the cache, as IIRC it's encoded such that it only means something to the browser

    Not so. Type in "about:cache" (not the quotes). From there there are links to view the contents of the cache.

  91. Re:What's Firefox? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ah, Pot, Kettle--I see you two have met.

  92. Re:It'd be nice if XSLT+XML = HTML kept info on pr by eddy · · Score: 1

    That's just dumb. For starters, you could limit the "true back button" to non-SSL-pages. I assume no sane bank is running plain http? Sounds more like sites are afraid something will break if the user is able to backtrack in the history.

    That I can go back quickly is one of the reasons I run Opera, although unfortunately the the feature has deteriorated a little lately (a reload is initiated much more often now than any time before)

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  93. Re:This version doesnt fix some new type of popups by Yaztromo · · Score: 1
    Try this site: It shows a sarcastic popup saying "your browser has successfully blocked a popup!" http://www.indianmasala.com/

    Not here. FireFox 1.0.1 on Mac OS X.

    I don't know what it is about my configuration, but even with stories earlier this week about various sites using pop-ups that can defeat Firefox's pop-up blocker, I haven't been able to get any of the referenced sites to send me a pop-up, even after 20 reloads.

    Maybe it's Adblock. Or maybe it's the fact that I've disabled many of the Javascript features. Or that since v1.0 I had requested pop-ups redirected to open new tabs instead of a new window (and then, I'm only getting pop-ups that I've specifically clicked on and permitted).

    Or, maybe I'm just very, very, very lucky. Nah!

    Yaz.

  94. A little strange by tritonic · · Score: 1

    Hmm, a handful of fairly minor security bugs. Makes you wonder why they're releasing a new version already..

    "More security holes fixed in Firefox 1.0.1 will be made public after Firefox 1.0.1 is released."
    (from http://www.squarefree.com/burningedge/releases/1.0 .1.html)

    ..unless there's something else we haven't heard about yet..?

  95. Here is an example. by maotx · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here is an example how Firefox 1.0.1 shows IDN names.*
    Click the Fake and Real link to see the difference.

    The Fake site will not work with Internet Exporer with the latest service pack.

    *Requires Firefox 1.0.1

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    1. Re:Here is an example. by ozbon · · Score: 1

      You can also change it in FF1.0

      type about:config into the address bar on FF, then search for network.enableIDN and set it to false.

      Bingo, Job Done.

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    2. Re:Here is an example. by tehshen · · Score: 1

      Except this 'fix' of yours doesn't work which is what all the fuss was about. network.enableIDN changes back whenever you restart Firefox. You need to modify user.js or prefs.js, or just get the latest version, really.

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    3. Re:Here is an example. by stuntpope · · Score: 1

      network.enableIDN User set boolean false

      That's Firefox 1.0 on Windows, many days after I set it and after many restarts. But enough of that, on to the upgrade.

    4. Re:Here is an example. by ozbon · · Score: 1

      Mine's been set to false for the last three weeks, including daily restarts, and has never yet reset to true.

      But anyway, if it doesn't work for some then it's not an ideal fix, agreed.

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  96. Thanks, Cartman! by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 1
    Who uses Firefox? Only Linux zealots, hippies, and Mac users.

    Congratulations on your choice of corporate software. Keep repeating your mantra to ensure the flow of happy-good feelings.

    I wonder if you were truly proud of yourself, if you would feel the need to profess it so loudly. . .


    -FL

    1. Re:Thanks, Cartman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even many Linux zealots don't use Firefox... that's pretty telling.

  97. Spreadfirefox.com by hazzey · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How is this going to affect the download stats? Will we now have double the numbers because everyone has to download it again?

  98. Re:It'd be nice if XSLT+XML = HTML kept info on pr by magefile · · Score: 1

    Threatened to block if it doesn't do which - "true history", or "URL list" as it does now? Anyway, if you really need "true history", go File->Work Offline to keep it from reloading the page.

  99. Re:This version doesnt fix some new type of popups by Wizarth · · Score: 1

    Or in my case, WinXP with decoration turned off. But, I bet once you click it, it does launch a pop-up, which would work for most users (Oh, a dialog box, click ok). In fact, since it's right over the main content, your pretty much required to click on it and get the pop-up, just to use the site.

    How damn rude! I never used the site, but if a site I do use does that, they will lose a customer!

  100. It works fine. by LokieLizzy · · Score: 1

    I just downloaded it. 3 tabs open (2 running Acrobat Reader), and only 35k of RAM held hostage.

    The update works. Quit yer bitchin'.

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    1. Re:It works fine. by IWannaBeAnAC · · Score: 1

      Huh? Did you even read the comment I replied to?

    2. Re:It works fine. by realitybath1 · · Score: 0

      He's giving you evidence for your case. :)

  101. Nice, but seemingly unnecessary by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    I decided I'd help seed, I have a box on a couple of OC-3s, why not? Well, so far it's doing jack. The download proceeded to complete in a couple of seconds at the rate of 500kb/sec and since then I've sent out almost no data. Their download server is apparantly top notch and needs no assistance.

    Also, the Linux torrents seem broken, BT won't open them.

    1. Re:Nice, but seemingly unnecessary by CrackHappy · · Score: 1

      I've never seen a BT connection like that!

      People hopping on then off the torrent like mad. My client barely has time to connect and send them data before they're gone again, usually I get a single update telling me they're at like 60% after about a second.

      Amazing... their server KICKS ass!

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  102. Re:seems like only yesterday by CeleronXL · · Score: 1

    Err.. network.IDN_show_punycode is a pref added in this version. So its not that the simply changed the default, they added a pref for those who wish to not use punycode.

  103. You sure that's an OS-X thing? by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    Firefox uses a ton of RAM on Windows too. One of it's flaws, it seems, at least as compared to IE. I don't much care, it's cheap to throw RAM at the problem and it hardly rates as the most RAM hungry app I have, however it seems to be a complaint I've heard a lot from more than just Mac users.

  104. crashes when I visit blockbuster site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The moment I visit blockbuster.com firefox 1.0.1 crashes!
    Either its an extension conflict or this wasn't quite ready for prime-time... :-(

  105. Doesn't look like 1.0.1 to me by mfearby · · Score: 1

    How do we know we're actually downloading the 1.0.1 release, when the download filename is "Firefox Setup 1.0.exe". The update feature under Tools, Options, doesn't work either (as mentioned above). If they're going to release a point release, then how about updating the web site to reflect that? Otherwise, people that might not have seen the announcment might browse by one day, and think "oh, it's still 1.0, I'll stick with what I got". And since the update feature seems to be dead at the moment, that's very baaaaad.

    1. Re:Doesn't look like 1.0.1 to me by real_smiff · · Score: 1

      ah, this is probably because you're using a localised build like en-GB, and the site is detecting this, and this locale hasn't been updated yet, so you still get offered 1.0. that's what happened to me anyway, took me a second to realise what was going on and go for the full list - Firefox Setup 1.0.1.exe is what you want, although it may not exist for you yet - confusingly, this is the file name regardless of language.
      to moz site designers: not ideal imho, maybe indicate there's an en-XX newer, and maybe include language in file name.

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    2. Re:Doesn't look like 1.0.1 to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not downloading 1.0.1 if you have that filename. I just tried that and because of my locale got the EN-GB v1.0 installer, not the generic English 1.0.1 installer; there isn't an EN-GB v1.0.1 yet.

      For windows, ignore the big green download link on the announcement page and go to the list of downloads. Then you can make sure that you get the right one. If you get the right build, its installer will have 1.0.1 in the file name.

    3. Re:Doesn't look like 1.0.1 to me by dpu · · Score: 1

      The address is http://www.getfirefox.com/ - the little green box in the top-right lets you download FFwin 1.0.1 ;)

      Need other builds? Click the little linky right below that one that says "Other systems and builds" - see how all the version numbers are very clearly marked? The new ones are even in bold!

      The main mozilla.org site only seems to be on the ball when it comes to Mozilla builds or major project releases. These point releases are *always* at the project sites first. Go figure that, eh?

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    4. Re:Doesn't look like 1.0.1 to me by mfearby · · Score: 1

      When I click on the big, green, download link, I expect it to *download* the file I'm after. I realise that there's probably some other trickery going on underneath, but do you expect everybody to be bothered with this insignificant minutiae? It's hard enough trying to get people to kick their IE habits, so making the acquisition of the latest, patched, version of Firefox a difficult process isn't going to help the Mozilla cause!

  106. Broken ctrl keys. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Firefox on UNIX sucks for changing the behavior of ctrl-u ctrl-k ctrl-a ctrl-e, etc...

    1. Re:Broken ctrl keys. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I totally agree.
      Check http://conkeror.mozdev.org/

    2. Re:Broken ctrl keys. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Change the keys back to the proper Emacs bindings with
      $ echo gtk-key-theme-name = \"Emacs\">>~/.gtkrc-2.0
      Restart Firefox for it take effect.
  107. No!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    News at 11! Firefox is released. Great! This is awesome!!!

  108. Re:Change Log by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Firstly, don't plagarise. Cite your sources. Your list is an exact copy of http://www.squarefree.com/burningedge/releases/1.1 .html.

    Secondly, if you do plagarise, make sure you steal the right frigging document! You posted a changelog for the not-yet-released Firefox 1.1. This is Firefox 1.0.1. Its changelog can be found at http://www.squarefree.com/burningedge/releases/1.0 .1.html.

  109. Re:It'd be nice if XSLT+XML = HTML kept info on pr by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 1

    if it /does/ do "true history", they would block it. I dont think they care what alternative is available, they just dont want people to be able to use the back button to actually show what was seen before. You know, like a back button.

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  110. MOD PARENT UP!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, I get the exact same error. It started right after I installed 1.0.1.

    I've tried going back to my previous build (a custom build from Moox's website), but the error persists. It looks like I'm going to have to erase everything and reinstall. That sucks bigtime, considering all work I've done installing extensions and configuring them the way I like. :(

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  111. Java != JavaScript by VeneficusAcerbus · · Score: 1

    PLEASE get it straight!

    1. Re:Java != JavaScript by billmustdie · · Score: 1

      ouch, i'm only trying to help, k? K all, it's JavaScript! JavaScript. JavaScript. JavaScript. must remember. Point is, java can cause popups... IANAjava bean, but I know some popups are from java scripts... and die when you kill it... Point is kill more popups by killing/optimising java for your usage. The sites I saw in this thread where ppl were saying "works for me"/"not me" were java issues. Java is cool, but only when you want it.

    2. Re:Java != JavaScript by VeneficusAcerbus · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I didn't mean to sound insulting. I just don't like it when people confuse Java with JavaScript because they are completely different. Again, I'm sorry.

    3. Re:Java != JavaScript by billmustdie · · Score: 1

      Not a Problem at all, I'm a assembly programmer by trade (8,16 bit industrial deterministic), so I'm not as fresh as you on the "new" languages at all. I knew you didn't meen any bad will.

  112. Re:This version doesnt fix some new type of popups by Derling+Whirvish · · Score: 1

    IE on WinXP SP2 with IE's pop-up blocker set to "high" also blocks it.

  113. You mean they don't? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is that a fact? Why include the feature in a 1.0 version if they're not going to make use of it?

  114. Re:It'd be nice if XSLT+XML = HTML kept info on pr by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 1

    That's a good point about SSL. But really the main problem is that whenever you get a message that says "The page you have requested required POST data blah blah blah", you should get a "just go back" option in addition to "re-send POST data" and "don't go back"- in my mind it is pretty much encouraging people to do things which you never want to do on a banking site. If you completed your transaction, need to go back because you need the transaction number for records or such, you NEED a real back button, and you most certainly do NOT want to re-send data. That is to say: Really the whole idea of banking sites wanting to block this is backwards, because financial situations are the primary reason for wanting this.

    I ran opera until I started using gmail and opera started crashing all the time in Linux. *(that is, my installation of Opera on my installation of Linux, I have no general information, I just couldnt run Opera in linux anymore). I loved its real back button.

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  115. Doesn't require 1.0.1 by Theatetus · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually you don't need 1.0.1 to see how it works; spoofstick on 1.0 displays the bogus URL as xn--blah-blah-blah...

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    1. Re:Doesn't require 1.0.1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spoofstick is pretty ugly though.

  116. Re:Ah, so this software does have vulnerabilities by Jedbro · · Score: 1

    Really?
    What update was that. On my fresh WinXP install, to get the latest IE from microsft, I downloaded the bare minumum to only get the latest IE updates and not all the OS patches, I was still learking at around 30megs, I'd love to see a 3meg patch for IE that actually fixes multiple security issues.

    I'm not trying to throw FX down your through, I just think the parent comment has no validity whatsoever.

    Cheers

  117. Thank you :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It worked. (not the first time, but on the second try, curiously)

  118. Porn browsing tips for firefox =D by H3g3m0n · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You can also simply set the number of days in the History option under privacy to 0. An even better idea is to start firefox with the -profilemanager commandline paramater, create a special profile called somthing such as "noprofile", and set all the cache, history, cookies etc... to not be stored. You can then make a script/shortcut file that runs "firefox -profile noprofile" which will load that profile.

    You can do things such as put an obviouly diffrent skin on it to make sure you arn't running the wrong profile and install flashgot to allow you to grab entire image/movie gallerys.

    You can have a custom adblock filter list to remove nonrelevant images such as those backgrounds, banners and image borders that sites have which slows down your browsing.

    Under linux I have everything setup to use an highly encrypted filesystem so nothing can be accessed without the password, if you have your images, firefox profile, and its starting script in there then noone will beable to find anything also because its encrypted and only accessable by you, you can leave the history to be saved and create bookmarks etc. Just remember to unmount the filesystem and clear the loopback device.

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    1. Re:Porn browsing tips for firefox =D by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why bother going to so much trouble? It's only porn ffs!

    2. Re:Porn browsing tips for firefox =D by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Child porn, perhaps?

    3. Re:Porn browsing tips for firefox =D by AkaXakA · · Score: 1

      Under linux I have everything setup to use an highly encrypted filesystem [for porn]

      Wow. You sure take porn waaaaaaaaaay to serious.

      Then again, respect for owning up.

    4. Re:Porn browsing tips for firefox =D by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just... wow.

    5. Re:Porn browsing tips for firefox =D by nacturation · · Score: 1

      Peter, your father and I want to have a word with you right now, young man!!

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  119. Re:Be kind to the mirrors, use official bittorents by trawg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've been seeding these for about 1/2 hour with only 30mb uploaded (--max_uploads 100) - I'm sure there's a lot of people seeding, but it would have been great to see a link to the BitTorrent mirror page in the news post to spare the mirrors. I can't figure out why more slashdot news posts aren't edited when there is a BitTorrent link added for the content referred to in the item (especially when its an official torrent provided by the content creators!)

  120. it should bittorrent the autoupdate by cheekyboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wonder if they thought of using bittorrent to download the latest update. Or does bittorrent not scale to 27m users? :)

    You could always have a seperate tracker for each country or each major region.

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    1. Re:it should bittorrent the autoupdate by gnuman99 · · Score: 1
      1. Files are smallish
      2. The tracker would implode

      Better just to use mirrors.

    2. Re:it should bittorrent the autoupdate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's not forget:

      3. some ISPs (Universities, etc.) block bittorrent.

  121. yes, i have a better solution. by mewphobia · · Score: 1
    Do you have a suggestion for a better solution to IDN spoofing concerns?

    Why doesn't firefox just check the current locale of the user, and if there are characters outside that locale, make the address bar red and display a warning similar to the popup blocker one.. a bar across the top of the screen.

    Or maybe even better would be to only do the red address bar thing if there are characters from two seperate locales.

    1. Re:yes, i have a better solution. by wheany · · Score: 1

      Or highlight the non-7-bit characters in the domain name in red. With an option to disable the highlighting.

    2. Re:yes, i have a better solution. by sepluv · · Score: 1

      The RFC says that UAs should do that, but they didn't. Grrrr...

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  122. installing over 1.0? also search plug design query by real_smiff · · Score: 1
    before i uninstall FF 1.0 and lose all my search plugins* and plugins (qt etc.),
    is it ok to install 1.0.1 over 1.0? will all security fixes be properly applied? (do i need to clear user profiles? i hope not)
    will 1.0 be removed from the add/remove programs?

    sorry if i should have RTFAQ but it doesn't seem to go into detail. I am capable of backing up the necessary dirs and doing this myself, but i'm really asking so i know how to best instruct other users & for future releases. many thanks!

    *why oh why are they in the program files dir, not the user profile? who sets permissions for users to install to this dir, or tells users to log on as admin to install search plugins?

    also, a note that the GB (that's Great British) edition does not yet seem to be out. darn, i'm back to en-US ;) and where's our en-NZ edition, Ben :) cheers

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  123. Re:Ah, so this software does have vulnerabilities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WindowsXP-KB867282-x86-ENU.exe
    2/8/2005
    3737 KB

  124. Re:This version doesnt fix some new type of popups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is adblock working.

    The new popups (not the one from the link which isn't really a popup) are based on Flash.

    However if you have adblock setup correctly you won't see them.

  125. Re:Be kind to the mirrors, use official bittorents by kinema · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As Bittorrent has become so popular one has to wonder why FF doesn't support it natively or via plug-in as a download method.

  126. The Book of Mozilla by Spectracide · · Score: 1

    Still no new verse in The Book of Mozilla.

    1. Re:The Book of Mozilla by m50d · · Score: 1

      Of course not. This is only a minor release.

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  127. about:cache by cheekyboy · · Score: 3, Informative

    Memory cache device

    Number of entries: 208
    Maximum storage size: 31744 KiB
    Storage in use: 7436 KiB
    Inactive storage: 7127 KiB

    List Cache Entries
    Disk cache device

    Number of entries: 312
    Maximum storage size: 50000 KiB
    Storage in use: 18025 KiB
    Cache Directory: C:\Documents and Settings\Development\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\fd8vwgvl.default\Cac he

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    1. Re:about:cache by Jugalator · · Score: 1

      Browse e.g. DeviantArt images for a while back and forth, then visit some other image heavy pages, and then come back with your results from about:cache. At least I usually then get storage in use > maximum storage size. And it doesn't fix itself by closing all tabs. If there isn't a bug filed for this, there really should be.

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    2. Re:about:cache by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By the way, this is a screenshot from the thread of the now "FIXED" bug (and no, this behavior hasn't changed at all even in the latest 1.1 nightlies): https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=173 180 (open in separate tab/window)

    3. Re:about:cache by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone who uses "KiB" in serious technical discussions is a certifiable wanker.

  128. try MYIE, it has tabs by cheekyboy · · Score: 1

    If you must use IE , then get MYIE, it has a firefox type front end to the IE engine, and gives all cool extra feature in it. Some perhaps that FF could steal.

    Its a good compromise if you MUST still use IE at work or banking sites.

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  129. Yes by mbaciarello · · Score: 1

    Well, to be more precise: memory leak or not, Linux and Windows versions are 10x more stable.

    Firefox on my Powerbook crashes at least once a day, it has problems with Flash and Java applet visualization I've never had on other platforms, JavaScript and FireFox windows (such as those from extension prefs) sometimes just don't do anything when you click on them, many search bar plugins simply crash the whole app, many extensions just don't work and/or make your favorites disappear (TabBrowser Preferences, for one.) Finally, I get the beach ball cursor way too often (meaning the application won't respond.)

    I've never had any of that on other platforms. The OS X port is way behind the quality of other OS's, to the point I have been giving up FF and using Safari before 1.0 came out. Not that it has fixed much, it's just that I missed my extensions too much...

    1. Re:Yes by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Firefox has been relatively stable on OS X for me, although I have a completely different usage pattern. I use adblock, nuke anything, weatherfox, and several of the webmail-related extensions, and haven't had a problem with that. However, my browsing style involves accumulating more and more windows and tabs, until Firefox finally crashes (I've got 11 windows right now, and each of them probably has a full row of tabs). It's doing pretty well right now, but after it sits like that for a few days it gets slower and slower (e.g., see characters appear one at a time when I type) until it crashes.

      My issue is reproducable on Linux (and presumably Windows) also, of course. ; )

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    2. Re:Yes by archen · · Score: 1

      I was thinking that perhaps it was something odd with your install, but then I realized I have 640mb of ram and my Powerbook only runs for 9 hours at a time so I doubt I'd notice.

      You're definatly right about the quality of the OSX port compaired to the others. Seems like every month I find a new fustration to add to the old ones with Firefox on OSX (not present in the Windows or Linux versions). Right now the fact that I can't use the tab key to give non text form fields focus is a gigantic pain in the ass. I'd probably start using Safari if I could get away from my favorite feature, type-ahead =/

    3. Re:Yes by GileadGreene · · Score: 1

      I've had absolutely no problems with Firefox on OS X. In fact, it's been more stable for me than the version on my Linux box. I regularly leave Firefox running for days at a time.

  130. Re:Change Log by CrackHappy · · Score: 1

    I love this line:
    * 217527 - Left column on Slashdot is sometimes too narrow or too wide for its contents.

    Nice to know the FireFox folks are regularly reading Slashdot!

    (waves to FireFox developers - you guys are doing great work)

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  131. Could it be AdBlock? by mbaciarello · · Score: 1

    Yeah, same here on OS X and FF 1.0.

    I have AdBlock, too, but it's really not very strict - it's only blocking an ad with "/RealMedia/ads/" in it, so maybe it's that one?

    JavaScript enabled, though.

    1. Re:Could it be AdBlock? by Yaztromo · · Score: 1
      I have AdBlock, too, but it's really not very strict - it's only blocking an ad with "/RealMedia/ads/" in it, so maybe it's that one?

      I don't really know. I was under the impression that Adblock couldn't necessarily block the pop-up window itself, but instead its contents. I'm also running Flashblock (so I don't download Flash media that I haven't blocked or otherwise whitelisted). Javascript is enabled, but I've disabled Javascript from being able to raise/lower windows, move or resize windows, hide the status bar, or change the status bar text.

      That, and I do have some scripts blocked by Adblock (one script on one site I'm on pops up a "You can't do that" dialog if you right-click on anything on the site. Obliterated that one pretty quickly ;) ). So perhaps I've already blocked whatever is causing everyone else to get pop-ups.

      Which would seem to me that, the moral of the story is, get Adblock :).

      (And for those who think everyone should download all the ads and Flash a site throws at them, I'm sometimes accessing the 'net via GPRS, where ads not only increase the download time for many pages (significantly), but also winds up costing me money. I even connect to a special proxy that re-compresses what images do remain down to lower colour depths and overall file sizes just to max out the speed and minimize the cost when I'm on the road).

      Yaz.

  132. Fixes checked into trunk... by imputor · · Score: 1
    Several high-profile memory leak fixes were checked into the Trunk this week. Download a current nightly to see if it fixes your problem, or wait until 1.1 to see the patches in action. Specifically, fixes were landed for these bugs (not linkified because bugzilla blocks slashdot as a referrer... copy and paste!):
    • https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131 456
    • https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=283 063
  133. Arg! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean I now need to tell everyone that I told to upgrade to Fire Fox because it was secure by design that they now need to update it because of security problems?!?!? Thanks a lot for making me look like an idiot! :(

  134. Re:Change Log by MrEcho.net · · Score: 1

    Its still broke
    every other time its off.

  135. Spoiler by CowsAnonymous · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just so you know, if you're going to reinstall from scratch, I already read the EULA and no; there's no $1000 prize.

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  136. Who bothers with these little releases? by lexiconographolologi · · Score: 0

    Like I am going to risk losing all my bookmarks. Sheesh.

  137. Since when did the links.... by tod_miller · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...Make us download the files from the same place as the unwashed masses? Man, go back to linking to rough and ready nightly CVS snapshots ok! :-) ;-)

    Congrats FF peeps, I hope the popup blocking works now... will install at work, fusk that pute first, then try at home. :D heheh :D have a good day everyone.

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    1. Re:Since when did the links.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Weird, I though we were the unwashed masses...

  138. Re:This version doesnt fix some new type of popups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    with all the people saying it blocks just fine i have to say that it dosent.

    Well ff does detect some popup and blocks it, but that offending window does indeed pop up.

    Although to the trained eye (and mac/*nix) users this is obvious and it scrolls with the page.

  139. Re:Change Log by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's cause the changelog the guy posted is from the still-in-progress 1.1.0, not the build that was released today, 1.0.1.

  140. mod parent down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    wrong changelog.

  141. Re:Change Log by Jugalator · · Score: 1

    Nope, that change log is ripped from the unofficial incomplete Firefox 1.1 release notes at Burning Edge. As wrong as you can be.

    Try this instead:
    http://www.squarefree.com/burningedge/releases/1.0 .1.html

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  142. bug in Help-About and about: ? by rastos1 · · Score: 1
    When I try to open Help->About I get an error window with title 'Gecko' and text
    XML Parsing Error: undefined entity
    Location: chrome://browser/content/aboutDialog.xul
    Line Number 19, Column 16:

    title="&aboutDialog.title," creditslabel="&copyrigh...
    -------^
    Anybody seen this?
    1. Re:bug in Help-About and about: ? by Kick+the+Donkey · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'm getting that too under Linux. The Help->About works fine under windows...

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  143. Re:seems like only yesterday by wheany · · Score: 1

    ...in Japan?

  144. Re:seems like only yesterday by Jugalator · · Score: 1

    IIRC they just turned off IDN support, and did not remove it.

    They didn't even turn it off, just the "pretty printing" part of it when presenting the entered URL. If you type www.räksmörgås.se you can be sure to be transferred to the proper site as usual, also in 1.0.1 without fiddling with settings.

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  145. Time warp by leomekenkamp · · Score: 1

    Anyone notice that the aboutbox still says

    (c) Copyright 1998-2004

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    1. Re:Time warp by vitalyb · · Score: 1

      Never really understood what this means anyway. That the copyright is only valid till 2004?

    2. Re:Time warp by Nurgled · · Score: 1

      It means that different elements of the work were created in different years. Some parts were released in 1998, while others in the years leading up to 2004. They should have changed it to 2005 to include the new elements in the latest release. Assuming a hypothetical copyright term of five years, some parts of Firefox would have become public domain in 2003, while the most recent security fixes would be covered until 2010. Of course, it would be up to the would-be distributor to determine which parts are public domain and which are not.

      The copyright expiry year isn't included in the copyright statement, since it varies in different places and may be changed by alterations to the standard copyright term.

    3. Re:Time warp by vitalyb · · Score: 1

      So... Since they forgot to update it to 2005 right now it means that the text is currently public domain?

    4. Re:Time warp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is typical for patch releases. My Windows XPSP2 is (c) 1981 - 2001 for example.

    5. Re:Time warp by Nurgled · · Score: 1

      The stated copyright year is just a formality. Copyright is automatic, so it's all copyrighted unless explicitly placed in the public domain.

  146. Wait, something looks weird. by Jerk+City+Troll · · Score: 1

    I cannot identify your operating system. I'm not quite sure what "Start" is, but it looks fairly primative and that could be causing you some issues. Why don't you just get on the bandwagon and start using Linux or MacOS XI?

  147. Linux improvements by xgamer04 · · Score: 1

    Hopefully there will be some fixes in the linux version. For some reason, when I click on .rpm files, the download dialog OK button is grayed out... (no, I don't think it's an omen)

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  148. Re:This version doesnt fix some new type of popups by rjstanford · · Score: 1

    The site uses Javascript to detect the (non)existance of the popup window to unhide a div. So disabling Javascript does indeed get rid of this issue - and an unfortunately large amount of useful functionality. Ah, well.

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  149. are you on crack? by subtropolis · · Score: 1

    sheesh - you'd think you'd been told to do it with emacs. This is how "to do that in the GUI":

    type "about:config" in the address bar. Hit enter.

    scroll down to "network.IDN_show_punycode" (hint: it's alphabetical). Right-click on it and select "modify".

    An input dialog will pop up saying "enter boolean value" or some such. The text field will say "true". Change that to "false". Click "OK".

    All done.

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  150. Links inaccurate by EvilNutSack · · Score: 1

    They need to fix the links asap.
    The 'Free Download' link at http://www.mozilla.org/ is for 1.0 not 1.0.1

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  151. search function by Horizon_99 · · Score: 1

    Really wish they would have fixed the search function for websites that use frames. Searching the sun javadocs with firefox has proven to be a very frustrating experience...

    Any fixes/plugins out there to patch this?

  152. Just reload by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 1

    Pressing the "reload" button always fix the /. rendering for me.

    1. Re:Just reload by dotgain · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but a reload takes much longer, doesn't it? I can reflow the text in a couple of seconds utually.

    2. Re:Just reload by bryhhh · · Score: 1

      Nice try, but it took seven reloads for me to be able to get to this story. Glad I saw the , tip though (never have mod points when I need them), it seems to work great.

    3. Re:Just reload by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 1

      I guess it depend on your connection speed. Reload is faster for me because I'm the bottleneck here :)

    4. Re:Just reload by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Impossible. Either way it is redrawing the content, except a reload has to pull it down from the net again.

  153. Re:This version doesnt fix some new type of popups by thakadu · · Score: 1

    I just tried it and it doesn't on my system. (Windows XP SP2, Firefox 1.01)

  154. Re:What's Firefox? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rep....nevermind.

  155. What branch, tag for FIREFOX 1.1 ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    could someone point out, which branch or tag to use to get a CVS checkout of firefox 1.1 ?

    1. Re:What branch, tag for FIREFOX 1.1 ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      Assuming you meant 1.0.1:
      FIREFOX_1_0_1_RELEASE
      Use the following to get a list of tags:
      cvs status -v filename
    2. Re:What branch, tag for FIREFOX 1.1 ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I meant 1.1

      1.1 > 1.0.1

  156. how big? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    how big is this download going to be?

    BTW i hear that MS are look at IE7 by mid year.

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  157. Re:Ah, so this software does have vulnerabilities by Mant · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Of course FireFox patches only fix Firefox, becuase that is all it is. That also means any problems in it only affect Firefox.

    Ask anyone with a clue about computer security and they will tell you that is a good thing, unlike IE flaws causing problems all over the place becuase it is integrated into windows. It isn't like using Firefox stops you using windows update you know.

    It definately is slower to start, as IE is loaded up when windows is. You don't notice IE's start up time as a seperate thing. As for spped in use, it depends on what the page is, images, script, CSS, complex layout and so on as too which one is faster.

    I'm sure we will see lots of security updates for it, although so far it doesn't seem close to IE in terms of patches. I've never seen anyone claim it wouldn't need security updates. The argument has always been as open source the security would be better and the updates quicker.

    I do suspect you a really a troll.

  158. No left click by bhima · · Score: 1

    When I install >0.9.3 here at work I find that I can not left click on anything... Bizarre!

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  159. Adblock by tartarugo · · Score: 1

    I noticed a distinct increase in stability on OSX since I started using Adblock. I tend to surf with a single window loaded with up to 40 tabs, and it works like a charm. The frequent crashes of older versions are now history for me, although I still keep the habit of periodically saving a tab group bookmark just in case.

    If you're new to Adblock, remember that for it to actually do something you'll have to configure some filters . I tend to use these regularly updated filters).

  160. here in germany... by boeserjavamann · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...they also had a big advert in the most important german newspaper "faz". http://www.zeitform.de/download/041202-firefox-faz -anzeige.pdf -- moz1.8 rulez ;)

  161. Your point. . ? by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 1
    Even many Linux zealots don't use Firefox... that's pretty telling.

    Uh, okay. So they use Oprah.

    Look. You use a piece of software made by a corporation with zero ethics and two and a half stars out of five for progamming acumen. And nobody really cares, so quit yelling about it. If you can only take pride in your choices by thumping your chest and making half-assed arguments, then you have more pressing issues to deal with than which browser you use.


    -FL

  162. Re:Maintenant dans plus de langues by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

    Elles ont levé le nombre de versions localisées.

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  163. Re:Ah, so this software does have vulnerabilities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >I've timed both and it takes FF several seconds longer to start up as well as to render a complex page.

    Well IE actually loads into memory when your machine starts up, FF doesn't. So not much of a comparison there.

    As for render better. I haven't seen any rendering slowing down to a point where I have had to revert to IE. More/better features/security in Mozilla then IE. Main reason I use it.

  164. Re:Acum în mai multe limbi by psergiu · · Score: 1

    Au crescut numãrul de versiuni localizate.

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  165. Not Upgrading by aaroncrab · · Score: 1

    I don't think I'll be upgrading untill they release FF 1.1. Reinstalling all my extensions and tweaking around in aboug:config to get everything the way I like it is too much trouble and installing over an old install tends to cause problems.

  166. But it can be confusing, and can break security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are problems with back buttons and dynamic sites.

    For the sake of argument I'll stay with the banking example (but there are lots of others). You make a transfer for $1,000 out of your bank account. Transaction is confirmed, you then click back to go to your 'statement' page - and you see your old balance that has been pulled out of the browser's cache.

    That could be genuinely confusing to users who might then be inclined to think the transaction has failed.

    The current behaviour is to cache the page together with an expiry time - if the server specifies that the page should not be cached (as most dynamic sites do) then the browser has no choice but to contact the server again.

    Indeed, I've used a couple of banking sites in which have used availability of links as a security measure. Using IE's work offline feature to go back (because these old sites were very slow), the server would still think that your last viewed page was 'A' and that this page only linked to 'C', 'D' and 'E'. If you clicked back and opened page 'B' - you'd get a nice error message back like 'Pages have been accessed in the wrong order. For security reasons you have been logged out. You can log in again by clicking here.'

    1. Re:But it can be confusing, and can break security by DavidTC · · Score: 1
      It's only a problem because every single damn broswer has implemented the back button incorrectly since the dawn of time.

      The standard clearly says that going back and forth should not reload the page. You should be able to page like it's a book.

      And, if banks care about this, they're on crack. First of all, people don't expect things to change when they go back and forth. If people flip back to before a transaction, they rather expect it not to have happened. People do not map backwards and forwards to space, they map it to time. (If they did map it to space, it would be screwed up anyway, because you can magically go in circles while walking forward and backward.)

      Second, having them change causes as much problems as otherwise. (Double posting, double 'delete fourth record', etc etc.)

      Third, if they really want to stop it, they could use a meta tag saying not to cache the page. Um, duh.

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  167. 1.0.2 anyone? by real_smiff · · Score: 1

    actually, (with 1.0.1 semi-officially released?) there's already files marked 1.0.2 on the ftp, like here, and in folders for the last couple of days. hmm any news on this, anyone? no one seems to have mentioned it. sorry if this is uh, a secret of some sort.

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    1. Re:1.0.2 anyone? by prandal · · Score: 1

      Fixes so far for 1.0.2 are:

      "Null defense and an uninitialized variable fix that Coverity's SWAT scanner found" (nsAutoCompleteController.cpp)

      and

      "Remove autocomplete.xpt as an interim fix for bug 280084"

    2. Re:1.0.2 anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thanks, where are you getting the changelog please?

  168. Re:Be kind to the mirrors, use official bittorents by MoogMan · · Score: 1

    Are there plans to integrate this into the firefox update mechanism? Because that would be a logical approach (a lot of auto-updates occur at the same kind time - over a day or two), and lets face it, hellacool :-)

  169. one question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is there an easy way to install firefox, updates or installation over a lan?

  170. GUI question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does anyone know how to make "Find in this page.."(Ctrl F) work like it used in 0,8 with a popup and not with a bar at the bottom?

  171. still get the popups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.drudgereport.com/

    go here and click on a link, you will get a popup...

    but, if you set your mousewheel button to open links in a new tab you wont get a popup...

  172. The other way around by Khali · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wouldn't it make more sense to do it the other way around? Make the update available first, then after some time make the new, complete package available.

    By releasing packages before the update is made available, you are almost asking for current users of Firefox 1.0 to download the full 1.0.1, which will result in a higher load on your servers.

    1. Re:The other way around by jthayden · · Score: 1
      By releasing packages before the update is made available, you are almost asking for current users of Firefox 1.0 to download the full 1.0.1, which will result in a higher load on your servers.

      Yes, but it will also result in a higher # of downloads. It smells to me like there might be some stats padding here.

  173. "F" for usability by TrentL · · Score: 1

    Doesn't look like 1.0.1 to me, either. I can't find 1.0.1 on the site. They get an "F" for usability, since I was not able to complete my task of upgrading.

  174. Cool. Very stable release! by trintron · · Score: 1

    Installed and everything just works! Adblock and all of my themes!

  175. Solaris Release Typing Problems (slightly OT) by Quaryon · · Score: 1

    Is anyone else using the Solaris/SPARC Firefox release? With every version up to and including 1.0 I've had severe problems when typing into the browser, either into the URL bar or HTML form entries. It seems to be in some kind of "advanced text entry" mode whereby hitting one key straight after another will do funny things - for example hitting "co" quickly produces a copyright symbol, not what I want if I'm going to a .com or .co.uk URL!

    Similarly, typing "th" produces a Greek symbol (teta?), and the space bar just plain won't work unless I leave a gap of about two seconds between characters, which I find quite hard since I type very quickly..

    This doesn't happen in any other Solaris app for me, by the way, so I don't think it's a Solaris setting - sounds like something has been turned on in Firefox that I don't want. It would be nice if there was a good way to turn it off.

    I've actually had to type this message in xemacs and then paste it into the browser because of this problem.

    Q.

  176. Re:This version doesnt fix some new type of popups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This guy is on crack. 1.0.1 blocks pop-ups from this site just fine...

  177. Re:This version doesnt fix some new type of popups by micheas · · Score: 1

    adblock seems to stop the ad though :-)

    I wonder if adblock will ever be idiot proof though, or if it will create a smarter class of users. as you have to learn about wildcards if you wnat to use adblock effectivly.

  178. The best part.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting
    ..is how the Windows installer is now signed with a code signing cert.

    Now Peter Torr can trust it!

  179. Firefox users rule by roelbj · · Score: 1

    As of now, my torrent session for Firefox Setup 1.0.1.exe has 204 seeds and 2 peers. That is the best ratio I've ever seen... just more proof that Firefox users are some of the most conscientious netizens around.

  180. That's bug 280084 by prandal · · Score: 1

    Usually caused by installing over an unpacked .zip build.

    You need to delete <install directory>/components/autocomplete.xpt and try again.

  181. Re:This version doesnt fix some new type of popups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well ff does detect some popup and blocks it, but that offending window does indeed pop up.

    Not here it doesn't. No popups on that site. Firefox 1.0 for Windows.

  182. I can consistently make FF crash by DrHanser · · Score: 1

    Just by typing a query (anything) into the search bar. Any query at all, including a blank one. It's set to Google for whatever that's worth. The second most-used feature of FF for me, doesn't work. Windows version. Dunno if it's the same on Linux.

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    1. Re:I can consistently make FF crash by joethehumanity · · Score: 1

      Works on mine. Although my version crashes every time the Quality Feedback thing pops up, prompting the amusing error message "Firefox.exe has crashed. Would you like to tell Microsoft about this problem?"

    2. Re:I can consistently make FF crash by DrHanser · · Score: 1

      I can also make it crash by typing in a URL. Ridiculous.

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  183. Software Packages by bleaked · · Score: 1

    Software package management is the job of the operating system, not the specific application.

  184. Important Note: Clean Directory by OhBrian · · Score: 1

    Right at the start of the release notes for Firefox 1.0.1 it says "Prior to installing Firefox 1.0.1, please ensure that the directory you've chosen to install into is clean and doesn't contain any previous Firefox installations.". Lots of folks (like me) who download and run the Windows installer have found that Firefox shows up multiple times under installed programs. The only way to clear out previous versions is to uninstall all versions and manually delete files and clear the install directory.

    This is imporatnt to coprorate folks who may be using an asset or build tracking system to track adoption of software products. You get bad data if a PC shows that it has multiple versions of any program installed.

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  185. Known bug! (bug 280084) by prandal · · Score: 2, Informative

    It is usually caused by installing over an unpacked .zip build.

    You need to delete <install directory>/components/autocomplete.xpt and try again.

    The fix is checked in for Firefox 1.0.2

  186. Upgrade? by Snarfy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So do they allow you to upgrade from 1.0 to 1.0.1? All I read is this:

    "Prior to installing Firefox 1.0.1, please ensure that the directory you've chosen to install into is clean and doesn't contain any previous Firefox installations."

    So why do I want to uninstall my old version prior to installing a new version? Can they not handle a simple upgrade?

    (Seriously, I'm asking a question. I like Firefox, so this isn't flaimbait.)

  187. Re:Be kind to the mirrors, use official bittorents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great idea! Why don't you get started on that?

  188. "Known Vulnerabilities in Mozilla" by Dasch · · Score: 1

    Browsing the changelog, I stumbled over this site, which lists security fixes in Firefox, Thunderbird and Mozilla Suite. One line I found interesting was in the Thunderbird section:

    MFSA 2005-10 javascript: links launch Internet Explorer

  189. It never fails by jdavidb · · Score: 1

    I just upgraded from 1.0PR to the real 1.0 Wednesday...

  190. Search Engine Field Bug? by wazzzup · · Score: 1

    My install of 1.0.1 on my Windows box at work crashes if I execute a search in the search engine field. Doesn't matter what search engine I choose. Anybody else experiencing this?

    1. Re:Search Engine Field Bug? by ticktockticktock · · Score: 1

      Have you tried creating a new firefox profile and seeing if the problem still persists?

    2. Re:Search Engine Field Bug? by wazzzup · · Score: 1

      Yes. The problem still exists. I'm going to try to go back to 1.0 and see what happens.

    3. Re:Search Engine Field Bug? by wazzzup · · Score: 1

      Going back to 1.0 worked. Something about 1.0.1 doesn't work. Unfortunately, my company firewall blocks whatever port the quality feedback agent runs on.

    4. Re:Search Engine Field Bug? by ticktockticktock · · Score: 1

      Quite odd. I am having no issues with this in Firefox 1.0.1 in Windows XP with Service Pack 2 installed.

    5. Re:Search Engine Field Bug? by ticktockticktock · · Score: 1

      I found a forum post of someone having the exact same issue as you and someone replied it may be because they installed Firefox 1.0.1 on top of an existing 1.0 installation.

    6. Re:Search Engine Field Bug? by aok · · Score: 1

      The first thing on: http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/releases/ says:

      "If you are experiencing a crash when entering text into the address bar, you can correct the problem by removing the autocomplete.xpt file from your Firefox components directory, for example C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\components. To avoid this crash, do not install a new installer build on top of an older zipped build."

  191. Re:Be kind to the mirrors, use official bittorents by Otik2 · · Score: 1

    Here's the Bugzilla discussion on that:

    https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23675 5

    You have to copy and paste that, of course.

  192. Update by wazzzup · · Score: 1

    It happens if I type an address into the URL field and hit enter as well. I just thought I'd see if it was my setup (likely) or if others were experiencing the problem as well.

  193. I'll tell you why. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where the hell does this irrational superstition that it's Slashdot's fault come from?

    The rendering bug isn't Slashdot's fault, but it is Slashdot's choice to use code which causes that bug to be displayed. It's unprofessional and embarrassing for a site that is supposed to be the hub of web geekdom to serve all its pages with such a prominent and irritating glitch.

    What makes it not just annoying but exasperating is that the work of bypassing the glitch and bringing Slashdot up to modern web standards has already been done. Implementing this code would not only make Slashdot play nicely on handheld devices... it would actually save them money.

    So why doesn't Slashdot do this? It's almost as if they've made a deliberate choice to annoy their users. Just like the story dupes we see, sometimes on the same page, it's one more example that the folks who run Slashdot Just Don't Give A Shit.

    Maybe that's some of Slashdot's charm at times. But make no mistake, the rendering bug could be fixed with a few hours work. They choose to render this way.

    1. Re:I'll tell you why. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Check out this insignt from the Slashbot dimension.

      it is Slashdot's choice to use code which causes that bug to be displayed

      Yup, Slashdot chose a layout in 1998 specifically designed to break a browser in 2004. Great thinking, skippy!

      bringing Slashdot up to modern web standards has already been done

      Umm, that's a static mockup. You do know there is a difference between a mockup and something that actually works don't you?

      the rendering bug could be fixed with a few hours work

      OK, Ace, pull the CVS and fix it this weekend then. You might find that a total rewrite of the templating system would take more than a 'few hours'.

      So why doesn't Slashdot do this?

      Because they've got shite code written by college students 8 years ago. But it's shite code that WORKS in high-load situations and makes them a lot of money. Therefore it would be immensely stupid to rewrite it just because the HTML markup is unfashionable.

      Hey, I know you college kids think everything can be rewritten from scratch at the drop of the hat, but you're in for a shock when you GET A JOB. Shite code lives forever. It's often not feasible to replace it. Don't assume OSDN is stupid -- they've got PHBs, maybe they've run the numbers and just decided that the cost/risk/reward is not worth it.

      Let's say a rewrite would cost $100,000. Would it increase revenues? NO. Would it increase viewership? NO. Would it add features? Only a couple that most people don't care about (handhelds). Bandwidth costs? You might save a couple grand a year, but that's a 10 year payback time. Would it even work when you were done? WHO KNOWS. High cost, high risk, low reward. Think about it.

    2. Re:I'll tell you why. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Check out this insignt from the Slashbot dimension.

      The irony of a misspelled Anonymous Coward flame post calling me a "Slashbot" isn't lost on me. You're adorable.

      Yup, Slashdot chose a layout in 1998 specifically designed to break a browser in 2004. Great thinking, skippy!

      Slashdot knows about the bug, they choose not to fix it. It is their choice. And no, this really isn't great thinking, it's just an obvious observation. But thanks anyway.

      Umm, that's a static mockup. You do know there is a difference between a mockup and something that actually works don't you?

      Sigh. It's not a "mockup". It is actual code that renders on a browser. Yes, I acknowledge it's not a full, ready-to-implement patch, but there's nothing being done with CSS that isn't already being done in a more laborious way with tables, so your intimation that moving to CSS is going to hurt Slashdot in the speed department just isn't supported.

      OK, Ace, pull the CVS and fix it this weekend then. You might find that a total rewrite of the templating system would take more than a 'few hours'.

      Fair enough. But it's nowhere near the laughable $100,000 estimate you give. There are people already out there doing the work for free. (Slashcode is GPLed, remember?) But the apathy and lethargy Slashdot's programming team has shown in accomplishing this is legendary.

      But it's shite code that WORKS in high-load situations and makes them a lot of money. Therefore it would be immensely stupid to rewrite it just because the HTML markup is unfashionable.

      I think the definition of "WORKS" you use is debatable. When a bug causes a large minority of your readers to reload each page multiple times in order to get it to render correctly, I wouldn't say that it works properly. But maybe I just have higher standards than you. I would also point out that it isn't just a matter of appearance. Updating Slashcode is inevitable. You can't stay in HTML 3.2 forever. Perhaps some non-geek-oriented sites could, but not Slashdot.

      Shite code lives forever. It's often not feasible to replace it. Don't assume OSDN is stupid -- they've got PHBs, maybe they've run the numbers and just decided that the cost/risk/reward is not worth it.

      Exactly my point -- they've made the choice not to fix the rendering bug. Glad you finally see that. Making a site that uses modern standards, renders properly, and doesn't annoy their users isn't a priority to them. They Don't Give A Shit.

      And, yeah, I do think that's stupid. Or rather, I think it's shortsighted. It's the same kind of Microsoftian thinking that led them to leave Internet Explorer to rot while Firefox gradually became a threat. Both Slashdot and Microsoft I'm sure will do quite well into the indefinite future even if they don't give a rat's ass about their users. Once you achieve a certain amount of market momentum, it's hard to lose it. But it happens.

      And yeah, once upon a time, I expected a little more from Slashdot. In the mid-to-late 90's, they were the herald of geek cool to me. Now they seem as if they don't even like what they do here. From a management perspective, I think Slashdot has squandered its brand and is continuing to do so.

      The real test will be when the day comes that I simply don't care enough to write posts like these anymore.

    3. Re:I'll tell you why. by sstidman · · Score: 1
      Umm, that's a static mockup. You do know there is a difference between a mockup and something that actually works don't you?

      Sigh. It's not a "mockup". It is actual code that renders on a browser. Yes, I acknowledge it's not a full, ready-to-implement patch, but there's nothing being done with CSS that isn't already being done in a more laborious way with tables, so your intimation that moving to CSS is going to hurt Slashdot in the speed department just isn't supported.
      It is a mockup. All the author of the article you quote did was take a copy of a Slashdot page, store it on his local computer and then convert that single page to modern HTML/CSS. When you receive a page from SlashDot, that page is rendered by a set of scripts known as SlashCode. SlashCode itself will need to be modified to implement modern coding standards. I have never looked at SlashCode, but I suspect that the update is no small undertaking.
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    4. Re:I'll tell you why. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is a mockup

      In my experience, when a client asks for a mockup, you provide him with a Photoshopped image of what the proposed design changes might look like. That is a mockup. If the client okays it, you move on to drafting the code. Maybe your experience is different.

      Since the CSS page I linked to includes a valid CSS stylesheet and template, I'd say it's not proper to refer to it as a mockup. It contains some working code, although admittedly not all the code you would need.

      Others have already implemented CSS enabled Slash themes. This was the sort of thing I was referring to when I wrote earlier that only a few hours of work stood between the HTML 3.2 pages we see today and a CSSified Slashdot.

      Looking a little deeper, these patches rely on hacks that wouldn't be appropriate in a production environment as harsh as Slashdot's, but the fact remains that the owners of Slashdot really haven't made modern web standards or user experience a priority. And they should.

    5. Re:I'll tell you why. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At this point it's clear you haven't got a clue about software development. I estimate software projects for a living, and I'll stand by the $100K number as a lowball for rewriting /.'s presentation layer.

    6. Re:I'll tell you why. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my experience, when a client asks for a mockup, you provide him with a Photoshopped image of what the proposed design changes might look like.

      That's a web designer's idea of a mockup - an image that is representative of a page. A web developer's idea of a mockup is a static HTML page that is representative of a dynamically generated page.

      When we're talking about the difficulties of fixing a CMS to emit better HTML, we're talking web development, not web design.

      the fact remains that the owners of Slashdot really haven't made modern web standards or user experience a priority. And they should.

      That has nothing to do with the topic at hand; the Firefox rendering bug. Like I keep pointing out, there is a VALID HTML TESTCASE that exhibits the same bug. Complying with the HTML specification simply wouldn't fix the problem. And people like you still insist that it's Slashdot's fault for using crappy HTML! What the fuck is it going to take to get through to you morons?

    7. Re:I'll tell you why. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      the fact remains that the owners of Slashdot really haven't made modern web standards or user experience a priority. And they should.
      That has nothing to do with the topic at hand; the Firefox rendering bug.

      Well, now we're back to where we started

      Again: The rendering bug isn't Slashdot's fault, but it is Slashdot's choice to use code which causes that bug to be displayed. It's unprofessional and embarrassing for a site that is supposed to be the hub of web geekdom to serve all its pages with such a prominent and irritating glitch.

      SHOUT all you WANT, bold yourself crazy, the fact remains that Slashcode renders poorly on a major browser and is in need of a major update even if it didn't.
    8. Re:I'll tell you why. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The rendering bug isn't Slashdot's fault, but it is Slashdot's choice to use code which causes that bug to be displayed.

      And you are saying that "the owners of Slashdot really haven't made modern web standards or user experience a priority" as if modern web standards have anything to do with this whatsoever, and this could just be fixed by making the HMTL compliant. You are wrong.

    9. Re:I'll tell you why. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A move to CSS would both end this bug and bring Slashdot back into the 21st century. For whatever reason, this is excruciatingly hard for you to admit, but it happens to be true.

    10. Re:I'll tell you why. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CSS has nothing to do with complying with the W3C specifications. The table element type is in HTML 4.01 Strict, XHTML 1.0 Strict, XHTML 1.1 and the XHTML 2.0 drafts. You can use tables as much as you like and still comply with the W3C specifications.

      It seems you're just another one of those fuckwits that keeps going on about "web standards" (hint: CSS isn't a standard, neither is HTML 4.01 or any form of XHTML) when it's quite clear that you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. You'll be telling us that XHTML saves bandwidth next.

      A move to CSS would both end this bug and bring Slashdot back into the 21st century.

      Last time I checked, Slashdot is in the 21st century. Hyperbole just makes you look stupid.

  194. Re:This version doesnt fix some new type of popups by Jondaley · · Score: 1

    WebWasher (Windows only) blocks whatever you are talking about, and a half dozen other ads on that page.

    It is great software, and just changed to "donation-ware" the other day, so go download it.

    More "techy" than other blockers I have seen, and so is very customizable. I haven't seen a popup or ad in years (other than the coffee porn posted the other day on /.)

  195. maybe some bugfixes, too? by whitroth · · Score: 1

    Maybe this release will fix the reason I went back to .91 (and I run Linux):
    - random crashes, including one or two that
    may have panicked my system, or crashed
    KDE on my wife's
    - the frequent loss of file associations
    - not wanting to run .wmv in mplayer
    (and NO BLOODY WAY to manually tell
    it what I wanted something opened in)

    mark

  196. I wish that they would've fixed... by guitaristx · · Score: 1

    the >2GB yields negative file size and download speed bug (t3h bug). Looks like it won't happen until v1.1.

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  197. Security fixes, *finally* by sjonke · · Score: 1

    Apparently the Linux version of Firefox received quick "hotfixes" for the variety of security flaws that cropped up in Firefox 1.0, but the Mac version, at least, did not receive a single security update until today with this release, and it appears that there are still some remaining old and unfixed security flaws. The oldest being from August and September of 2004. While still much better than Internet Explorer, it doesn't make for a particularly stellar security patching record by any means. Not on the Mac anyway. Did the Windows version receive timely "hotfixes" for these flaws? What about the remaining unpatched flaws? To be fair, they did fix the IDN flaw quicker than Apple, which has yet to release a fix for their Safari?, but that's a first.

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  198. 64 or 128 MB minimum!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/system-req uirements.html

    Minimum Hardware

    • Intel Pentium II or AMD K6-III+ 233 MHz CPU (Recommended: 500MHz or greater)
    • 64 MB RAM (Recommended: 128 MB RAM or greater)
    • 52 MB hard drive space

    Windoze 98 IE rulez in my Pentium 66 MHz, 16 MiB RAM!!!

    open4free ©

  199. the f0x r0x by torrents · · Score: 1

    nice that there's another release for all those who prefer not to grab the nightly builds... the speed with which bugs are fixed is nothing short of impressive...

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  200. turn off memory cache? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've tried turning off the memory cache in firefox and it seems not to work properly. Various sites do not work correctly. As I remember it was somewhere inside of about:preferences that I did that.

    I'd prefer to disable memory caching entirely and use only disk caching. Then Linux's built-in disk caching can figure out what is best to be in memory or not at the current time. After all, Linux has a global view of my system usage whereas firefox only cares about firefox.

    -Rob

  201. Windows .exe smaller by elliott666 · · Score: 1

    This is the first upgrade I've seen in years that was smaller in file size than the previous version...how nice!

  202. Re:This version doesnt fix some new type of popups by Fnkmaster · · Score: 1

    It is NOT a pop up. It doesn't "pop up" because it's not a fucking pop up window, it's just an image overlaid on top of the page. If you want to block it you will need an adblock rule to block the offending Javascript or div layer, period.

  203. "Small-minded Mozilla mocked by wider world" by hkmwbz · · Score: 1
    Don't flame me! Those are not my words. This article in The Register explains how Mozilla's response to the IDN spoofing issue has not gone down well with "the rest of the world".

    Does Mozilla suffer from being too US-centric? If Mozilla was, say, Japanese, surely they wouldn't have accepted a fix like that?

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    1. Re:"Small-minded Mozilla mocked by wider world" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not a fix, it's a temporary workaround. Stay tuned for more information before starting the token USA-bashing.

  204. Re:This version doesnt fix some new type of popups by Yaztromo · · Score: 1
    The site uses Javascript to detect the (non)existance of the popup window to unhide a div. So disabling Javascript does indeed get rid of this issue - and an unfortunately large amount of useful functionality. Ah, well.

    Well, just to ensure I haven't confused anybody, I do not have Javascript disabled. I've just used Firefox's advanced options to prevent certain Javascript functions from working, including raising and lowering windows, moving and resizing windows, removing the status bar, and changing the status bar. But that's it. Otherwise, Javascript is completely enabled.

    Yaz.

  205. Want type ahead find on Safari? by mbaciarello · · Score: 1

    I'd probably start using Safari if I could get away from my favorite feature, type-ahead =/

    Well I've got great news for you: check here

    Find While Typing works great, and there's more goodness on that little page.

  206. Correction by sepluv · · Score: 1

    Sorry; slashfix link was wrong. Try the Slashfix extension WWW site.

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  207. Time to Fork Firefox aka the new Google Browser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am the only one to notice that Firefox has turned into the Google Browser? I have been a user of Firefox since it was called Phoenix and the version number was 0.3. What happened? All of the sudden the default home page is a Firefox Start page on Google. Google is the default search in the search box (I know this has been there for the last couple of versions), and if you type a search term in the address bar the search takes place on Google.

    Why has Google taken over features within Firefox? One of the reasons that I chose to use Firefox was the freedom from a single source (Microsoft) for the domination of features used in the browser for surfing the Internet. I know that Blake has gotten a job a Google but this is ridiculous. I have been able to remove these "Google" defaults by manually editing files and removing files after installing 1.0.1 but this is beyond the casual users expertise.

    I want a open source Browser that is free of corporate domination, be that from Microsoft, Google, or any other corporate entity that is attempting to control the Internet.

    Does this project need to fork to gain this independence?

  208. Konqueror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Suffering with an old version of Konqueror 3.1 I tried the links. The spoofed links did not take me to a site, they failed with unknown host errors. Also, the URL bar show an obviously incorrect URL something to the effect of:

    http://www.p%F3ypal.com

    In case Slashcode renders the above URL incorrectly it is a percent sign, capital F, number three(3).

  209. Suite vs. FF/TB? by alexo · · Score: 1

    Which reminds me:

    If I want to use both the email client and the browser, would I be better off installing FireFox+ThunderBird or the full Mozilla suite?

    Can the suite use the FF/TB plugins?

    1. Re:Suite vs. FF/TB? by sepluv · · Score: 1
      If I want to use both the email client and the browser, would I be better off installing FireFox+ThunderBird or the full Mozilla suite?
      Well they are basically the same thing (esp. now Aviary is being abolished). It depends on whether you usually use your email client and browser at the same time or seperately, and whether you prefer the UI of Fx/Tb or Moz App Suite. I prefer the smaller footprint of Fx so I've used it as my main browser since Fx 0.1. You could also consider the real possibility of just using Fx, webmail and the webmail extension (works with most webmail systems).
      Can the suite use the FF/TB plugins?
      It depends whether the authors have ported them to MAS. In theory, most plugins from one Mozilla program should port to another with little or no work as they all use same XPI system and sometimes you might just be able to install a Fx plugin (that hasn't been ported) into the Suite--YMMV--obviously, it all depends on whether they rely on stuff that is different in Fx from MAS.

      Check whether your fav plugins have been ported on update.mozilla.org.

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  210. Firefox 1.0.1 Released by rinkjustice · · Score: 1

    and it still doesn't render Slashdot properly!

    All you fanboys can put your pitchforks down now.

  211. more localisations available here (l10n) by real_smiff · · Score: 1
    sorry to reply to myself, but the other regions seem to exist now here, even though they are not on the webpage yet. i've downloaded and installed en-GB 1.0.1 and it seems to work fine. i hope these are final/ready 1.0.1, can anyone confirm?

    (also, can anyone please tell me what the "l10n" in "latest-aviary1.0.1-l10n" means?)

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  212. First Mozilla release to be digitally signed by 50m31sl4sh. · · Score: 1

    Win32 release is signed with Mozilla certificate using M$ Authenticode technology.

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  213. Re:seems like only yesterday by theguyfromsaturn · · Score: 1

    OK, but we kind of already know which UniCode characters look like the ASCII characters. Which means that whenever those characters (and only those) are used that's when spoofing is likely. If the UniCode characters represent non-ASCII characters, there is no more risk of spoofing than with punychode itself, since www.thisissomeurl.com can look similar to www.thisissomeur1.com and be used for phishing anyways wether we use punycode or not. Some amount of phishing will always take place because in a long url, the brain will tend to assume what the next letter is.

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  214. Optimized localisations (l10n) are now landing! by lee_robert_001100 · · Score: 1

    Looks like MOOX is making optimized versions of the different localisations! Here is the direct link: http://www.moox.ws/tech/mozilla/localizedbuilds.ht m