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I wouldn't say it's the fault of Mozaic/http/html. It's the lowest common denominator. In fact i'd say we've advanced due to the fact that browsers can handle more on the client side than they ever have. Stateless connections are not something that should be used for web apps, but it works (in a half asses way). That doesn't mean you should blame a pliers because it does a crap job of hammering in a nail.
The new terminal service client is nice, 24 bits support, full encryption, [...]
What kind of encryption does MS use anyway? I mean all documentation that I've seen from MS always goes on about how many bits are used, but never about the algorithm.
Who in the hell moderated this guy as a troll? That's exactly why the electoral college was put in place. That's exactly why each state has TWO representatives regardless of the size of the state. The people who founded the U.S. (and recall that acronym means united STATES) realized that each state should have equal power on some level. They also realized that the weight of people in numbers must also have a voice (thus house of representatives). The electoral college is a balance in that states have a minimum amount, and have to go one way or the other.
If your state elects a senator, and the senator votes against what 51% of the state believes, does that mean that we should just take a tally for everything the state does? This isn't a true democracy, it's a democratic republic. While I'm not sure that the electoral college is still necessary, it was made with a purpose in mind. They didn't just pull this shit out of their ass. Why should Wyoming or North Dakota even be in the Union if their say doesn't matter and all the decisions are being made in LA and New York?
I just installed RH 7.3 in another machine today. Why not 8 or 9? I tried 8 on two servers and I had so many problems with it that I went back to 7.3 . RH9 is still too new and it'll be a while before it passes the testing phase. Truthfully I doubt I'll put enough faith in a RH release for production use until it gains at least a.1
it's not only "System Administrator", many computer related titles are just too generic. I go to college and get a degree in computer science - and I spent many a conversation explaining what in the hell I was going to college for, and the difference between me and the guy who sells used computers (because we both have jobs relating to computers) Where I work now, I used to be the "computer guy" for about 2 years. Then some buzzword guy gets hired and I get converted to "IT Manager" - Although in conversation I still get demoted from "IT Manager" to "IT guy". Sadly this only confuses people MORE because about 60% of the people working there don't even know what I.T. stands for.
Now days I just stick with System Administrator - or occasionally "Master of Smoke & Mirrors and Techno-babble" as a smart ass answer on surveys.
Triple DES uses 168 bits ( [64-8] * 3 ). AES can use 128, 192 or 256 bits - so it sort of depends on what key size you use. AES is also a new algorithm, and some people aren't very trusting of it until its proved itself over the years. Also consider the fact that Triple DES is SLOW compaired to AES, even at 256 bits.
I also noticed that a plugin for back orafice claimes to be able to run AES at 512 bits, but I've never seen the documentation for a key that big.
This is actually sort of true in my opinion. I've actually been sort of annoyed when a server I'm working on doesn't have fortune installed. It really does release a bit of stress when you're frustrated, and for me conveniently works on a serial terminal (which is often more frustrating).
I also noticed to my annoyment that it wasn't an option to install on Red Hat 9, which is fine because you can get a real installation with the offensive stuff included...
Is there even something, I'm not even asking for proof, just a hint or some study that supports the hypothesis that less technical users want eye-candy?
It seems to me that it's based off of the assumption that a lot of tech people consider "non tech" people to be stupid because they don't know how to use a computer, and thus have this belief that they must be easily amused by dancing spinning things. I think many tech people liking the CLI, vs regular people liking the GUI has probably contributed towards this.
I've seen it go both ways, but in all honesty I think users can appreciate something that works and is intuitive. Just because it's cute doesn't make it at all useable - and I've seen plenty of pretty looking programs that are horrific in the terms of usability and ease of use. It's probably somewhat true at the GUI vs CLI level. I mean I've seen people who are absolutely terrified at typing commands at a computer, but are more than happy to use programs where you have to sift through a million menu's a dialog boxes to get anything - or even worse as in MS Office: menus that change.
Personally I think RedHat is shooting themselves in the foot with the short support cycle. The business I work for, for instance is a small buisness. There are customers who just want a Linux distro that gives them support - RPM and up2date lower the learning curve dramatically and can free a business to really start leveraging the power of Linux without worrying so much about watching for bug fixes and security holes. I certainly can't justify getting Redhat Enterprise for something like a small time webserver, backup server, file server or just serving junk like DHCP. And Linux can really shine in these areas.
I also think Redhat is going to miss the boat on the corperate desktop, where everything is configured for the user, and remote administration is fairly easy. Now your going to migrate an entire organization workstation every year or so?
This is slashdot. It's hard to take this site seriously ANY day where the editors post duplicate stories that THEY posted while the other is still on the front page (and I'm not talking about today either).
Actually I did that a lot and it still didn't fix it. I mean once your profile is nuked why not just start all over? As of 1.3 luckily Moz wont just trash your stuff anymore, but will at least make a copy of your bookmarks before overwriting them.
Not that you care, but there's a bit of history behind Matt's Script Archive (MSA). You could say MSA was one of the first Perl script archives, and certainly one of the most popular. Unfortunately you could say that many of the scripts were sort of half assed. Many of the scripts were bug prone, such as the guest book that wrote to a single text file WITHOUT file locking (thus waiting for the impending doom of 2 simultaneous writes). Others where just exploitable.
The most notorious of them all is by FAR 'formail.pl'. This is a pathetically easy script to use for evil purposes since it basically allows you to directly send crap through sendmail (ie spam) on the server - and even a basic understanding of HTML would allow a person to figure out how to do it. If you have logs on a webserver you can STILL find a lot of hits probing for formail.pl in your cgi-bin. Probably the saddest thing about MSA is the fact that it's been around forever and has thus been cataloged by every search engine out there, and as soon as someone searches for "free perl/cgi-scripts" MSA is almost always at the top of the list.
On the lighter side, if you're new to cgi and want to understand more about CGI/perl security - find a friendly Perl guru and have him/her tell you about how NOT to write CGI scripts by using the ones at MSA as an example. The humor in it is probably best known to Perl programmers as MSA is somewhat infamous in the perl world, and probably the cgi world in general.
In my opinion Moz is capable of doing some weird stuff. I used to have a problem with Mozilla where the browser would start acting "peculiar" then would stop responding. Once you closed the browser the OS (win2k) would instantly reboot my computer - after which my entire profile (bookmarks/mail) would be FUBAR. This happend across many versions, and oddly enough once I switched motherboards, I never had the problem again. Now granted some would say "that's a hardware problem" but I've never had that problem with ANY other software EVER. According to browsing on Bugzilla, Moz isn't capable of bringing down win2k (eh... right), so I wouldn't completely discount the pissing midget monkeys theory.
It will be enough to allow you to transmit your humble URL requests to http://www.disney.com, but not enough for you to host a P2P node or any other kind of unsupervised server.
If you think there's no artistry in music today, you're not listening to the right stuff. It's out there, but it's not the popular gutter trash the music industry pushes.
sndrec32 isn't limited to 60 second as I recall because I'm pretty sure I've recorded more than 60 seconds. It does however record directly into ram, which I've found will kill windows (95) if you record too long and use up too much memory.
if CD sales do soar they will claim that copy protection DOES work, and will push for DRM anyway. If sales don't go up, it's the pirates fault. We seriously can't win this fight because they are corporations that can simply pull the strings of anyone they want. About all we can do now is wait for them to go too far and cause a public "average consumer" revolt which will cause the system to collapse, or at the very least put them in their place and balance out the system.
It's funny you say that, but there is a lot of money to be made in "I like it bug I wouldn't buy an entire CD". Due to a bunch of buzz on Slashdot, I got an subscription to emusic.com. I find that I download album after album of stuff I wouldn't buy on CD, but certainly like enough to specifically seek out. By the end of a month I find that I've downloaded around 10-15 regular CDs worth of stuff. I've discovered that techno is actually decent background music and I've downloaded a hell of a lot of it, even though I've never owned a techno CD in my entire life. I seriously wonder how much money could be made on stuff people like but won't shell out the ridiculous $14 for (again showing that CDs are overpriced). I've also found that occasionally I find a band that I like enough to buy the CD anyway (after which I rip my own very high quality ogg vorbis files).
It's sort of puzzling that many of us can understand the interruption problem, but many who are our MANAGERS do not. A (part time) professor at college told me about how he was a manager and how the place he worked for endlessly harassed the programmers. Eventually he set up a system so that you had to go through a secretary and then it was determined if it was absolutely critical, otherwise you just got dumped to a voice mail box. It sounded like a good idea to me, and now that I work for a place that interrupts me every 10 minutes for a "just reboot your computer" answer, I appreciate it a lot more.
Look on the bright side. Some Canadian got hired for less then you, and within the next year (if not already) he won't have a job either once the company gives that guy the shaft and moves his job to India.
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I wouldn't say it's the fault of Mozaic/http/html. It's the lowest common denominator. In fact i'd say we've advanced due to the fact that browsers can handle more on the client side than they ever have. Stateless connections are not something that should be used for web apps, but it works (in a half asses way). That doesn't mean you should blame a pliers because it does a crap job of hammering in a nail.
The new terminal service client is nice, 24 bits support, full encryption, [...]
What kind of encryption does MS use anyway? I mean all documentation that I've seen from MS always goes on about how many bits are used, but never about the algorithm.
Who in the hell moderated this guy as a troll? That's exactly why the electoral college was put in place. That's exactly why each state has TWO representatives regardless of the size of the state. The people who founded the U.S. (and recall that acronym means united STATES) realized that each state should have equal power on some level. They also realized that the weight of people in numbers must also have a voice (thus house of representatives). The electoral college is a balance in that states have a minimum amount, and have to go one way or the other.
If your state elects a senator, and the senator votes against what 51% of the state believes, does that mean that we should just take a tally for everything the state does? This isn't a true democracy, it's a democratic republic. While I'm not sure that the electoral college is still necessary, it was made with a purpose in mind. They didn't just pull this shit out of their ass. Why should Wyoming or North Dakota even be in the Union if their say doesn't matter and all the decisions are being made in LA and New York?
See guys... doesn't it feel good to bring yourself down an intellectual notch for 2 hours of your life?
I bring myself down a couple intellectual notches at work for 8 hours a day, I don't need it when I [in theory would] go to the movies too. =P
Only movie I'm looking to see this summer is Kill Bill, which at least hints at having a coy sense of style.
I just installed RH 7.3 in another machine today. Why not 8 or 9? I tried 8 on two servers and I had so many problems with it that I went back to 7.3 . RH9 is still too new and it'll be a while before it passes the testing phase. Truthfully I doubt I'll put enough faith in a RH release for production use until it gains at least a .1
NT4 ran (runs..) on the alpha, but MS stopped offering updates and service packs for it a long time ago.
it's not only "System Administrator", many computer related titles are just too generic. I go to college and get a degree in computer science - and I spent many a conversation explaining what in the hell I was going to college for, and the difference between me and the guy who sells used computers (because we both have jobs relating to computers) Where I work now, I used to be the "computer guy" for about 2 years. Then some buzzword guy gets hired and I get converted to "IT Manager" - Although in conversation I still get demoted from "IT Manager" to "IT guy". Sadly this only confuses people MORE because about 60% of the people working there don't even know what I.T. stands for.
Now days I just stick with System Administrator - or occasionally "Master of Smoke & Mirrors and Techno-babble" as a smart ass answer on surveys.
From Dictionary.com:
" Note: The order was first limited in numbers, and its members were bound by vows of chastity and poverty."
history repeats itself? =P
That depends:
Triple DES uses 168 bits ( [64-8] * 3 ). AES can use 128, 192 or 256 bits - so it sort of depends on what key size you use. AES is also a new algorithm, and some people aren't very trusting of it until its proved itself over the years. Also consider the fact that Triple DES is SLOW compaired to AES, even at 256 bits.
I also noticed that a plugin for back orafice claimes to be able to run AES at 512 bits, but I've never seen the documentation for a key that big.
This is actually sort of true in my opinion. I've actually been sort of annoyed when a server I'm working on doesn't have fortune installed. It really does release a bit of stress when you're frustrated, and for me conveniently works on a serial terminal (which is often more frustrating).
I also noticed to my annoyment that it wasn't an option to install on Red Hat 9, which is fine because you can get a real installation with the offensive stuff included...
... rock bands used as tools of war because of their immunity to laser rifles due to smoke generators.
guarded by shiny tanks with lots of mirrors.
Is there even something, I'm not even asking for proof, just a hint or some study that supports the hypothesis that less technical users want eye-candy?
It seems to me that it's based off of the assumption that a lot of tech people consider "non tech" people to be stupid because they don't know how to use a computer, and thus have this belief that they must be easily amused by dancing spinning things. I think many tech people liking the CLI, vs regular people liking the GUI has probably contributed towards this.
I've seen it go both ways, but in all honesty I think users can appreciate something that works and is intuitive. Just because it's cute doesn't make it at all useable - and I've seen plenty of pretty looking programs that are horrific in the terms of usability and ease of use. It's probably somewhat true at the GUI vs CLI level. I mean I've seen people who are absolutely terrified at typing commands at a computer, but are more than happy to use programs where you have to sift through a million menu's a dialog boxes to get anything - or even worse as in MS Office: menus that change.
Personally I think RedHat is shooting themselves in the foot with the short support cycle. The business I work for, for instance is a small buisness. There are customers who just want a Linux distro that gives them support - RPM and up2date lower the learning curve dramatically and can free a business to really start leveraging the power of Linux without worrying so much about watching for bug fixes and security holes. I certainly can't justify getting Redhat Enterprise for something like a small time webserver, backup server, file server or just serving junk like DHCP. And Linux can really shine in these areas.
I also think Redhat is going to miss the boat on the corperate desktop, where everything is configured for the user, and remote administration is fairly easy. Now your going to migrate an entire organization workstation every year or so?
This is slashdot. It's hard to take this site seriously ANY day where the editors post duplicate stories that THEY posted while the other is still on the front page (and I'm not talking about today either).
Actually I did that a lot and it still didn't fix it. I mean once your profile is nuked why not just start all over? As of 1.3 luckily Moz wont just trash your stuff anymore, but will at least make a copy of your bookmarks before overwriting them.
Not that you care, but there's a bit of history behind Matt's Script Archive (MSA). You could say MSA was one of the first Perl script archives, and certainly one of the most popular. Unfortunately you could say that many of the scripts were sort of half assed. Many of the scripts were bug prone, such as the guest book that wrote to a single text file WITHOUT file locking (thus waiting for the impending doom of 2 simultaneous writes). Others where just exploitable.
The most notorious of them all is by FAR 'formail.pl'. This is a pathetically easy script to use for evil purposes since it basically allows you to directly send crap through sendmail (ie spam) on the server - and even a basic understanding of HTML would allow a person to figure out how to do it. If you have logs on a webserver you can STILL find a lot of hits probing for formail.pl in your cgi-bin. Probably the saddest thing about MSA is the fact that it's been around forever and has thus been cataloged by every search engine out there, and as soon as someone searches for "free perl/cgi-scripts" MSA is almost always at the top of the list.
On the lighter side, if you're new to cgi and want to understand more about CGI/perl security - find a friendly Perl guru and have him/her tell you about how NOT to write CGI scripts by using the ones at MSA as an example. The humor in it is probably best known to Perl programmers as MSA is somewhat infamous in the perl world, and probably the cgi world in general.
In my opinion Moz is capable of doing some weird stuff. I used to have a problem with Mozilla where the browser would start acting "peculiar" then would stop responding. Once you closed the browser the OS (win2k) would instantly reboot my computer - after which my entire profile (bookmarks/mail) would be FUBAR. This happend across many versions, and oddly enough once I switched motherboards, I never had the problem again. Now granted some would say "that's a hardware problem" but I've never had that problem with ANY other software EVER. According to browsing on Bugzilla, Moz isn't capable of bringing down win2k (eh... right), so I wouldn't completely discount the pissing midget monkeys theory.
It will be enough to allow you to transmit your humble URL requests to http://www.disney.com, but not enough for you to host a P2P node or any other kind of unsupervised server.
And how are you panning on sending email?
If you think there's no artistry in music today, you're not listening to the right stuff. It's out there, but it's not the popular gutter trash the music industry pushes.
sndrec32 isn't limited to 60 second as I recall because I'm pretty sure I've recorded more than 60 seconds. It does however record directly into ram, which I've found will kill windows (95) if you record too long and use up too much memory.
and audacity kicks ass!
if CD sales do soar they will claim that copy protection DOES work, and will push for DRM anyway. If sales don't go up, it's the pirates fault. We seriously can't win this fight because they are corporations that can simply pull the strings of anyone they want. About all we can do now is wait for them to go too far and cause a public "average consumer" revolt which will cause the system to collapse, or at the very least put them in their place and balance out the system.
It's funny you say that, but there is a lot of money to be made in "I like it bug I wouldn't buy an entire CD". Due to a bunch of buzz on Slashdot, I got an subscription to emusic.com. I find that I download album after album of stuff I wouldn't buy on CD, but certainly like enough to specifically seek out. By the end of a month I find that I've downloaded around 10-15 regular CDs worth of stuff. I've discovered that techno is actually decent background music and I've downloaded a hell of a lot of it, even though I've never owned a techno CD in my entire life. I seriously wonder how much money could be made on stuff people like but won't shell out the ridiculous $14 for (again showing that CDs are overpriced). I've also found that occasionally I find a band that I like enough to buy the CD anyway (after which I rip my own very high quality ogg vorbis files).
It's sort of puzzling that many of us can understand the interruption problem, but many who are our MANAGERS do not. A (part time) professor at college told me about how he was a manager and how the place he worked for endlessly harassed the programmers. Eventually he set up a system so that you had to go through a secretary and then it was determined if it was absolutely critical, otherwise you just got dumped to a voice mail box. It sounded like a good idea to me, and now that I work for a place that interrupts me every 10 minutes for a "just reboot your computer" answer, I appreciate it a lot more.
Is it possible to tell if Mozilla runs slower? That's like determining the exact second the paint started to peel ;)
Look on the bright side. Some Canadian got hired for less then you, and within the next year (if not already) he won't have a job either once the company gives that guy the shaft and moves his job to India.