. ..cloning can be used for beneficial purposes - to increase population...
Oh y e a h. . . it set me off as well. Like, we really have a problem with UNDERpopulation? I cannot believe that anyone would use this as an argument to start cloning Humans. I agree with other posters that it sounds more like a question of ego than the desire to advance science. We're progressing science beyond the scope of our ability to deal with its moral or ethical consequences. Science should not forget that it is not a question of whether we can do something, but whether we should?
Karma should not be bought, but Ewen has some good ideas for piggybacking subscription rewards ontop of the existing reward system.
Seems like this is nothing new , although/. seems a bit expensive. There should be an unlimited number of ad-free pageviews for the $20 rate though. Providing community service like metamoderating/moderating should not be counted against subscriptions, in fact, I'd like to see these pages Ad-free.
I cannot recall the exact figures, but only a small percentage actually contributes content to Slashdot, and since most of the content belongs to this segment, I say Ewen's ideas are well worth considering.
...perhaps this incentive to contribute will make Slashdot better in the long run?
This story
shows the reaction of our government to limit information potentially
damaging to the United States. In this case, librarians are being asked to become "Firemen" and destroy information in their care. Many people who are tasked to protect their data (backups, archives, etc.) , would be outraged if they were then asked to destroy it before scheduled, that is, unless they work for Enron. How would your students react to being asked to destroy books from their library, or music CDs?
One quote from the LA Times article sums up the motivation behind these acts that your students will be forced to challenge on their own when they graduate:
"We have to get away from the ethos that knowledge is good, knowledge should be publicly available, that information will liberate us," said University of Pennsylvania bioethicist Arthur Caplan. "Information will kill us in the techno-terrorist age, and I think it's nuts to put that stuff on Web sites."
I'm not sure if sheep can recognize their own sheepness, but have your students try to identify such traits in the characters of the book as well as the main character's transition. It is safe to think freely, but eventually you are forced to act on those beliefs. Have your students discuss amongst themselves what concrete beliefs they are willing to stand up for.
The submarine I served on in the early 90's had schematics of the entire boat on punch cards. There were thousands of them -- each containing a piece of microfiche.
Being in charge of parts, and typically the one tasked to research maintenance, I became all too familiar with these cards. Never saw the data on the punchcards used for anything as we pulled them by hand, just by looking at the index number printed on the top. I suspect that coming out of overhaul the entire batch was run, with updated plans substituted, and sorted. By the time I earned my dolphins and started using them, it was about 2 yrs. after the overhaul so finding what the card I needed was frustrating at times.
My boat was decommissioned shortly after I became a civilian again, but I imagine that others still use them...
Look at it this way: At least sponsors can see what their money is buying! I don't foresee them having any problem coming up with the money... besides, they have that wonderful paragraph about people feeling warm and fuzzy about the generousity of contributers, especially people who contributed early on.
Right, wrong, or morally questionable... like most others have said, it's too late to do anything about granting these patents.
Some of these discoveries were made by studying defective material from the sick and dying... opportunistic at best. People who donated material for altruistic purposes should form a class action suit against the companies who are engaging in such restrictive contracts. In so doing, they can seek an injunction against these companies, temporarily stopping them from interfering. Any money from the suit can then be rolled into a fund for financial assistance to bring the total cost of screening down to an affordable level.
If people start to live to 150, and are capable of producing children for more than 100 of those years, the effects could be dramatic, he says. 'People will start to produce dozens of children in their lifetimes, and that will certainly start to skew our evolution. These people will also have more chance to accumulate wealth as well. So we will have created a new race of fecund, productive individuals and that could have dramatic consequences.
Given the limited amount of resources, I would expect that this will not happen until we are ready to go offplanet. Nature will find a way to keep us in check until then...
It would make sense to have colonists be more durable (without turning them into Greys), since the ability to train offspring to their level is not their immediate concern. Once adequate facilities are established, the ability to have more offspring later in their life increases the size of the (now) native gene pool, not to mention the labor pool.
A friend of mine was explaining some of the notation used in piano sheet music. It seems that as the instruments became more capable, the sheet music became more complex. In the computer industry, we can see the same progression. Considering the length of time that it takes to develop quality software, by the time that it is written, hardware that will support it will be just around the corner. Early computer programs had to be written to use very little resources. I believe that there are plenty of examples out there of code that is sloppily written that runs fine because most people have more computer than they need... until they decide to upgrade to the latest greatest OS! So will people make the most out of the new hardware? That all depends on the people who write the software. It depends on the true artist who expresses himself not with code... but in spite of it.
Their detailed strategy will certainly take some time to digest (and perhaps several cups of coffee). Interesting post though... perhaps their smaller size allows them to take such giant steps. My country (US) seems like it keeps tripping over its own feet whenever it attempts to deal with technology. Hopefully Slovenia will show the rest of the world a thing or three...
...when I read articles like this I tend to get really excited about the cool tech and the possiblities that they offer. However, it will take a long time for Startling New Advances to make it into our daily lives. People have speculated on the suppression of technology by the government or industry -- but the truth is, it takes a long time for technology to be adopted by a manufacturer. No conspiracies necessary, just a simple fact of economics. How many garage semiconductor factories do you know of? It takes an incredible amount of resources to fund a foundry like AMD or Intel... our combined buying power influences companies like them but only on a 5 quarter plan. Their vision is narrowed down to what works NOW, what can they afford NOW to make more money later... What they demand are deliverables, which is exactly what the Harvard article spoke about. They have created a transistor 10 atoms across. Great, they can now get funding and see what else can be done. Until a process is developed which can be reproduced with the same yield as first generation flat panel displays, that is, when they figure out how to make things cheaply and reliably that are fundamentally useful, with a minimal amount of failures... major manufacturers won't be going near this or any other breakthrough technology. You see, that's what funding is for! To find out if it can yield something useful.
I am interested in how they fare with packing together multiple transistors, like one for red, another for blue, another for green...oh yeah the resolution would be phenominal. Might it also be possible for this to lead to display devices we popped onto our eyes like contacts?
So yeah, it gets discouraging when you think about everything that is possible with what humans know, and compare that with what you can actually buy. Just try to think outside the 5 quarter plan.
Remember:: It isn't illegal to dream. Dreams can become visions which guide our actions today. Together we forge the future.
Awards like this mean plenty to everyone within the industry...Developer, User, or somewhere inbetween: We all benefit by recognizing excellence. What we have here is not necessarily Yet Another Award, but a standard for others in the Linux Community to measure up to. Just because it doesn't come from a Ziff Davis publication does not lessen its value -- besides, it's not like this 'zine hasn't been around enough to have established credibility...
Has anyone done a comparison of all these OSLs (similar to diff)? I'd be curious to see the results. (Might also help others trying to make sense of all these licenses too)
Perhaps what we are seeing here, is not YAOSL, but rather, the license itself being rewritten in the only medium offered to it... re-release with changes, under a new name.
...that's OK, I'd just assume wear mine. More uncomfortable not to have it on when you need it
forget about electronic paper....
on
The Dream Handheld
·
· Score: 3, Informative
...unless you are in advertising.
According to Xerox's Gyricon page, this technology is being geared for billboards. Their smallest font is a size 20! NOT adequate for use in anything that you can hold in front of you. By the time that they are ever able to create more reasonable font sizes, LEPs will be in full scale production.
Besides, electronic paper doesn't seem to be the perfect medium for video...
I agree. This seems like a more reasonable size than an A4 pad. One would have plenty of room for any application, and still be able to have a video conference call in progress... or perhaps watch the ballgame? It seems to be a fine compromise between form and functionality. I like PDAs, (don't get me wrong) but try to draw artwork for your webpage on one... it's just too cramped.
Oh, and one more thing. With the built in networking, you could upload your data to a larger more powerful computer. Or perhaps write a napsteresque app that Borg-a-fies all like devices into a dynamic Beowulf cluster. The onboard AI would have to synchronize with it's peers so that everyone could get what they wanted, or vote to toss the CPU-hog outta the cluster (but allow you to remain if you chose to because they were working on something 'interesting'...
I find it hard to believe that those devices on Star Trek are not taking advantage of some pretty sweeet computing resources on the Enterprise.
Hey, It's all about the stack...
 
RPN stands for Reverse Polish Notation.
The short history:
 
In the 1920's Polish mathematician (and philosopher) Jan Lukasiewicz developed "Polish Notation" where the operators preceded the arguments. This was in the interest of simplifying symbolic algebra. Later in the 1960's HP found this to be an efficient method of performing calculations and implemented it, but instead had the operators entered after the arguments - hence REVERSE Polish Notation. This allowed intermediate calculation results to be kept on the stack and evaluated later WITHOUT ROUNDOFF ERROR that resulted from copying down the displayed results and entering them later. So not only was this more efficient, it also became a more accurate methodology! Due to the technological limitations of the time, it also allowed full algebraic calculations to be performed.
 
You can read a lil more at the following sites:
http://www.calculator.org/rpn.html http://www.hpmuseum.org/rpn.htm http://www-stone.ch.cam.ac.uk/documentation/rrf/rp n.html  
Best of luck going back to school. May you never stop learning!
yes indeed... When I was younger I didn't think that I needed math, but later I found out that anything reaallly cool demanded a solid understanding of it. My math teacher and I were both trying to figure out how to use our new HP48GX calculators to do things, and it ended up that he would show me the math, and I would show him how to use the 'bloody thing'. I loved my HP48GX, took the HP48 programming course and bought the serial port 'experimenters' cable. RPN, excellent display abilities, and a simple command language, helped establish neural paths that were not there before. It was sad when the math dept. made the decision to use TIs and not support the use of HPs... perhaps similar decisions by other math depts. contributed to HP's decision?... but to learn of THIS... I'm shocked. I cannot imagine a world without HP making calculators. They made a quality product as those with functional models from the 80's attest to. I expect to have mine for many years to come...I find it difficult to think about math without thinking in RPN. I have never been so attached to a piece of hardware. Thanks HP... wish that you'd reconsider.
"...Testing this experiment has been a long time in coming, and we were
worried that radiation may have damaged the GPS receivers."AMSAT President Robin Haighton, VE3FRH
Off-the-shelf components promise to decrease the cost of missions, but what risks are we taking by doing so?
Few companies use Gallium Arsenide (GaAs) as a substrate in the manufacture of their semiconductors due to its cost. It is brittle, and does not possess a native oxide (used as an insulating layer). Consequently most companies use good ol' Silicon (Si). One of the benefits of devices built on GaAs, is their capability to function normally in a high-radiation environment. They are said to be radiation-hardened.
Should a device need to be radiation-hardened, it would most likely need to be manufactured in another company's fab, using/developing a new process.
Even if the software was written today, and a satellite was ready to be deployed tomorrow, it'd be a long time before we had an autonomous and station-keeping satellite...simply due to the time needed to build a radiation-hardened device. It'd just be a matter of time (and statistics) before a Si-based device malfunctioned and took out several other satellites along with it.
Existing satellites will likely be fine, but as they are EOL'd I would expect their replacements to have this technology. In the interim, maybe satellites can be built with the capability for an upgrade module that NASA can intall for them at a later date? --providing another market and decrease TCO for companies/governmments that require satellites.
The same page also lists a style of computer that uses off-the-shelf optical components and light interference. A database running on such a device is essentially an acoustic wave. What if an AI was written, that took advantage of the ambiguity a quantum computer provides, and that stored it's output in the optical interference computer, modulating that wave over time as new data was considered. Data from input devices would be understood within the context of its remembered experience. Might we have a computer that thinks and remembers like we do? A computer that thinks? A computer that dreams?
EXactly. I doubt that the NSA funded this research (or you wouldn't be reading about it), but if they DO pick up the tab for the next 5 years, you can bet that this is the last you'll hear of it. It wouldn't surprise me if the NSA quarantined the area, started a BI for all current researchers, and posted an armed guard outside the lab.
This is actually an olde paper originally listed under the Microsoft Research section of their web presense as the Millenium Project. I ran across it 3 or 4 yrs ago, printed out a copy and shoved it under my friends noses at our local coffee shop, and they were intrigued and it sparked off many wonderful conversations about the evolution of operating systems and we imagined living in such a worlde.
When I first heard about Oxygen, I remembered Millenium and during subsequent talks on the floor with my naieve co-workers, all I got was skepticism. Oxygen was too pie in the sky for them but had I been able to show them this paper I would have had a more compelling argument, but I could not find it anymore on their site.
I have viewed every major release from Microsoft to be in direct support of this, and the first widespread use of PDAs (other than palm) where synching with the mother computer was the lynchpin of its existance, to be a significant shift in how we view our computers... a necessary one for this to work in the new e-conomy. With Microsoft's recent move to make Passport play nice with other similar technolgies, we have the first indications of how they expect to pull this off...
...now if we figure in wireless networks access nodes, so that our handheld or tablet is able to pull our data we begin to see how viable this concept really is.
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Oh y e a h. . . it set me off as well. Like, we really have a problem with UNDERpopulation? I cannot believe that anyone would use this as an argument to start cloning Humans. I agree with other posters that it sounds more like a question of ego than the desire to advance science. We're progressing science beyond the scope of our ability to deal with its moral or ethical consequences. Science should not forget that it is not a question of whether we can do something, but whether we should?
...as long as the drive was physically identical there would be no problem.
Karma should not be bought, but Ewen has some good ideas for piggybacking subscription rewards ontop of the existing reward system.
/. seems a bit expensive. There should be an unlimited number of ad-free pageviews for the $20 rate though. Providing community service like metamoderating/moderating should not be counted against subscriptions, in fact, I'd like to see these pages Ad-free.
...perhaps this incentive to contribute will make Slashdot better in the long run?
Seems like this is nothing new , although
I cannot recall the exact figures, but only a small percentage actually contributes content to Slashdot, and since most of the content belongs to this segment, I say Ewen's ideas are well worth considering.
This story shows the reaction of our government to limit information potentially damaging to the United States. In this case, librarians are being asked to become "Firemen" and destroy information in their care. Many people who are tasked to protect their data (backups, archives, etc.) , would be outraged if they were then asked to destroy it before scheduled, that is, unless they work for Enron. How would your students react to being asked to destroy books from their library, or music CDs?
One quote from the LA Times article sums up the motivation behind these acts that your students will be forced to challenge on their own when they graduate:
I'm not sure if sheep can recognize their own sheepness, but have your students try to identify such traits in the characters of the book as well as the main character's transition. It is safe to think freely, but eventually you are forced to act on those beliefs. Have your students discuss amongst themselves what concrete beliefs they are willing to stand up for.
Being in charge of parts, and typically the one tasked to research maintenance, I became all too familiar with these cards. Never saw the data on the punchcards used for anything as we pulled them by hand, just by looking at the index number printed on the top. I suspect that coming out of overhaul the entire batch was run, with updated plans substituted, and sorted. By the time I earned my dolphins and started using them, it was about 2 yrs. after the overhaul so finding what the card I needed was frustrating at times.
My boat was decommissioned shortly after I became a civilian again, but I imagine that others still use them...
Look at it this way: At least sponsors can see what their money is buying! I don't foresee them having any problem coming up with the money... besides, they have that wonderful paragraph about people feeling warm and fuzzy about the generousity of contributers, especially people who contributed early on.
Right, wrong, or morally questionable ... like most others have said, it's too late to do anything about granting these patents.
Some of these discoveries were made by studying defective material from the sick and dying... opportunistic at best. People who donated material for altruistic purposes should form a class action suit against the companies who are engaging in such restrictive contracts. In so doing, they can seek an injunction against these companies, temporarily stopping them from interfering. Any money from the suit can then be rolled into a fund for financial assistance to bring the total cost of screening down to an affordable level.Given the limited amount of resources, I would expect that this will not happen until we are ready to go offplanet. Nature will find a way to keep us in check until then...
It would make sense to have colonists be more durable (without turning them into Greys), since the ability to train offspring to their level is not their immediate concern. Once adequate facilities are established, the ability to have more offspring later in their life increases the size of the (now) native gene pool, not to mention the labor pool.
Until then, "blend" like there's no tomorrow !Speaking as a car-less geek, I wish that a similar product would come out for motorcycles with a heads up display.
A friend of mine was explaining some of the notation used in piano sheet music. It seems that as the instruments became more capable, the sheet music became more complex. In the computer industry, we can see the same progression. Considering the length of time that it takes to develop quality software, by the time that it is written, hardware that will support it will be just around the corner. Early computer programs had to be written to use very little resources. I believe that there are plenty of examples out there of code that is sloppily written that runs fine because most people have more computer than they need... until they decide to upgrade to the latest greatest OS! So will people make the most out of the new hardware? That all depends on the people who write the software. It depends on the true artist who expresses himself not with code... but in spite of it.
Their detailed strategy will certainly take some time to digest (and perhaps several cups of coffee). Interesting post though... perhaps their smaller size allows them to take such giant steps. My country (US) seems like it keeps tripping over its own feet whenever it attempts to deal with technology. Hopefully Slovenia will show the rest of the world a thing or three...
...when I read articles like this I tend to get really excited about the cool tech and the possiblities that they offer. However, it will take a long time for Startling New Advances to make it into our daily lives. People have speculated on the suppression of technology by the government or industry -- but the truth is, it takes a long time for technology to be adopted by a manufacturer. No conspiracies necessary, just a simple fact of economics. How many garage semiconductor factories do you know of? It takes an incredible amount of resources to fund a foundry like AMD or Intel... our combined buying power influences companies like them but only on a 5 quarter plan. Their vision is narrowed down to what works NOW, what can they afford NOW to make more money later... What they demand are deliverables, which is exactly what the Harvard article spoke about. They have created a transistor 10 atoms across. Great, they can now get funding and see what else can be done. Until a process is developed which can be reproduced with the same yield as first generation flat panel displays, that is, when they figure out how to make things cheaply and reliably that are fundamentally useful, with a minimal amount of failures... major manufacturers won't be going near this or any other breakthrough technology. You see, that's what funding is for! To find out if it can yield something useful.
:: It isn't illegal to dream. Dreams can become visions which guide our actions today. Together we forge the future.
I am interested in how they fare with packing together multiple transistors, like one for red, another for blue, another for green...oh yeah the resolution would be phenominal. Might it also be possible for this to lead to display devices we popped onto our eyes like contacts?
So yeah, it gets discouraging when you think about everything that is possible with what humans know, and compare that with what you can actually buy. Just try to think outside the 5 quarter plan.
Remember
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." -- Arthur C. Clark
Awards like this mean plenty to everyone within the industry...Developer, User, or somewhere inbetween: We all benefit by recognizing excellence. What we have here is not necessarily Yet Another Award, but a standard for others in the Linux Community to measure up to. Just because it doesn't come from a Ziff Davis publication does not lessen its value -- besides, it's not like this 'zine hasn't been around enough to have established credibility...
Has anyone done a comparison of all these OSLs (similar to diff)? I'd be curious to see the results. (Might also help others trying to make sense of all these licenses too)
Perhaps what we are seeing here, is not YAOSL, but rather, the license itself being rewritten in the only medium offered to it... re-release with changes, under a new name.
Just a thought...
try this: Motosoto Community
...that's OK, I'd just assume wear mine. More uncomfortable not to have it on when you need it
...unless you are in advertising.
According to Xerox's Gyricon page, this technology is being geared for billboards. Their smallest font is a size 20! NOT adequate for use in anything that you can hold in front of you. By the time that they are ever able to create more reasonable font sizes, LEPs will be in full scale production.
Besides, electronic paper doesn't seem to be the perfect medium for video...
I agree. This seems like a more reasonable size than an A4 pad. One would have plenty of room for any application, and still be able to have a video conference call in progress ... or perhaps watch the ballgame? It seems to be a fine compromise between form and functionality. I like PDAs, (don't get me wrong) but try to draw artwork for your webpage on one... it's just too cramped.
Oh, and one more thing. With the built in networking, you could upload your data to a larger more powerful computer. Or perhaps write a napsteresque app that Borg-a-fies all like devices into a dynamic Beowulf cluster. The onboard AI would have to synchronize with it's peers so that everyone could get what they wanted, or vote to toss the CPU-hog outta the cluster (but allow you to remain if you chose to because they were working on something 'interesting'...
I find it hard to believe that those devices on Star Trek are not taking advantage of some pretty sweeet computing resources on the Enterprise.
Hey, It's all about the stack...p n.html
  RPN stands for Reverse Polish Notation. The short history:
  In the 1920's Polish mathematician (and philosopher) Jan Lukasiewicz developed "Polish Notation" where the operators preceded the arguments. This was in the interest of simplifying symbolic algebra. Later in the 1960's HP found this to be an efficient method of performing calculations and implemented it, but instead had the operators entered after the arguments - hence REVERSE Polish Notation. This allowed intermediate calculation results to be kept on the stack and evaluated later WITHOUT ROUNDOFF ERROR that resulted from copying down the displayed results and entering them later. So not only was this more efficient, it also became a more accurate methodology! Due to the technological limitations of the time, it also allowed full algebraic calculations to be performed.
  You can read a lil more at the following sites: http://www.calculator.org/rpn.html http://www.hpmuseum.org/rpn.htm http://www-stone.ch.cam.ac.uk/documentation/rrf/r
  Best of luck going back to school. May you never stop learning!
yes indeed... When I was younger I didn't think that I needed math, but later I found out that anything reaallly cool demanded a solid understanding of it. My math teacher and I were both trying to figure out how to use our new HP48GX calculators to do things, and it ended up that he would show me the math, and I would show him how to use the 'bloody thing'. I loved my HP48GX, took the HP48 programming course and bought the serial port 'experimenters' cable. RPN, excellent display abilities, and a simple command language, helped establish neural paths that were not there before. It was sad when the math dept. made the decision to use TIs and not support the use of HPs ... perhaps similar decisions by other math depts. contributed to HP's decision? ... but to learn of THIS... I'm shocked. I cannot imagine a world without HP making calculators. They made a quality product as those with functional models from the 80's attest to. I expect to have mine for many years to come ...I find it difficult to think about math without thinking in RPN. I have never been so attached to a piece of hardware. Thanks HP... wish that you'd reconsider.
"...Testing this experiment has been a long time in coming, and we were worried that radiation may have damaged the GPS receivers."AMSAT President Robin Haighton, VE3FRH
Off-the-shelf components promise to decrease the cost of missions, but what risks are we taking by doing so?
Few companies use Gallium Arsenide (GaAs) as a substrate in the manufacture of their semiconductors due to its cost. It is brittle, and does not possess a native oxide (used as an insulating layer). Consequently most companies use good ol' Silicon (Si). One of the benefits of devices built on GaAs, is their capability to function normally in a high-radiation environment. They are said to be radiation-hardened.
Should a device need to be radiation-hardened, it would most likely need to be manufactured in another company's fab, using/developing a new process.
Even if the software was written today, and a satellite was ready to be deployed tomorrow, it'd be a long time before we had an autonomous and station-keeping satellite...simply due to the time needed to build a radiation-hardened device. It'd just be a matter of time (and statistics) before a Si-based device malfunctioned and took out several other satellites along with it.
Existing satellites will likely be fine, but as they are EOL'd I would expect their replacements to have this technology. In the interim, maybe satellites can be built with the capability for an upgrade module that NASA can intall for them at a later date? --providing another market and decrease TCO for companies/governmments that require satellites.
The same page also lists a style of computer that uses off-the-shelf optical components and light interference. A database running on such a device is essentially an acoustic wave. What if an AI was written, that took advantage of the ambiguity a quantum computer provides, and that stored it's output in the optical interference computer, modulating that wave over time as new data was considered. Data from input devices would be understood within the context of its remembered experience. Might we have a computer that thinks and remembers like we do? A computer that thinks? A computer that dreams?
EXactly. I doubt that the NSA funded this research (or you wouldn't be reading about it), but if they DO pick up the tab for the next 5 years, you can bet that this is the last you'll hear of it. It wouldn't surprise me if the NSA quarantined the area, started a BI for all current researchers, and posted an armed guard outside the lab.
This is actually an olde paper originally listed under the Microsoft Research section of their web presense as the Millenium Project. I ran across it 3 or 4 yrs ago, printed out a copy and shoved it under my friends noses at our local coffee shop, and they were intrigued and it sparked off many wonderful conversations about the evolution of operating systems and we imagined living in such a worlde.
When I first heard about Oxygen, I remembered Millenium and during subsequent talks on the floor with my naieve co-workers, all I got was skepticism. Oxygen was too pie in the sky for them but had I been able to show them this paper I would have had a more compelling argument, but I could not find it anymore on their site.
I have viewed every major release from Microsoft to be in direct support of this, and the first widespread use of PDAs (other than palm) where synching with the mother computer was the lynchpin of its existance, to be a significant shift in how we view our computers... a necessary one for this to work in the new e-conomy. With Microsoft's recent move to make Passport play nice with other similar technolgies, we have the first indications of how they expect to pull this off...
...now if we figure in wireless networks access nodes, so that our handheld or tablet is able to pull our data we begin to see how viable this concept really is.