Which leads directly back to your argument. Ok, I will cede this one to you. They can just hire someone outside US jurisdiction to send SPAM for them. Make it illegal for them to hire someone else to send for them, unless they are a US company. It's cyclical.
So your solution would make it illegal to buy things from the spammers? That is the analogue I drew. Why punish the "victim" and not the perpetrator? Would you throw a rape victim in jail? You also need a license to watch television in the UK. Don't get me wrong, I love the UK (Northern Ireland especially), but that is not an act I would like to follow. If the stations are broadcasting illegally, find out why. Is it because of restrictions on speech, red tape, exorbitant fees that only people with deep pockets can afford? The more voices you have, the better. I read a study that stated that ~60% of SPAM originates in the US (yay, were number 1!). I do not know if that means "starts here, then gets shot off to a Chinese server, then bombards inboxes back in the US". If so, where would the law take affect? At the originating machine? At the mailserver? Somewhere in between? We need to come up with some hard, fast guidelines worldwide if we have any serious desire to end the SPAM problem.
If you are in the IT field, and work at a job you may consider "unsecure", you are still making contacts and impressing people if you do well. Once you are in the field you are IN. You won't believe the amount of job offers you get when you get a Net Admin/Engineer job. It is analagous to "when you have a girlfriend, suddenly girls talk to you. when you were single, they would not give you the time of day." Good luck man. I would keep a second part-time job just for a hobby, the less computer related, the better.
Thank you for the rational response. I thought I made it clear I was not stating a fact, that I was uncertain. I was correct, in a sense, but was mistaken as to what my information was in reference to. Thanks for clearing it up for me.
Just because there is a market for contingency does not denote unreliability. How do you define reliability? Power going out once a day, week, month, year? Car batteries rarely die, but does that mean that a set of jumper cables is a vote of no confidence? No, it means you are prepared for contingency.
The telegraph and the lightbulb are trivial applications of common knowledge, should they be unpatentable as well? What is the incentive to invent if any and everyone can just copy it and use it as their own? Just like Communism, what is the incentive to produce if you don't get anything out of it? Not much.
Playing devil's advocate sure is fun! Anyway, blaming the process rather than the result is juvenile. Innocent people get convicted, therefore there should be no laws! On the other hand, how do you protect someone who has worked their ass of on something, to have it snatched by some copycat. I realise it is the goal of most programmers to make their mark on things, but, why is the computing world so different from the "real" world?
Don't pull a "what about the children?!?!" on me. I tend to not worry about things. People who expect perfection are likely to be disappointed. Am I a medical software developer? No. If I were I would not hold the same viewpoint. I would strive to make the best code possible, but it is not possible to test for every contingency. Expecting perfection from everything is insane. As an atheist, I do not pray that often. I know it is just a figure of speech though.
This seems like old news to me. I seem to recall Sun saying they were not going to produce their own chips anymore, and just use AMD 64 chips. I recall this happening ~6 months ago.
What the fuck is the difference between a regular patent and a newfangled "intellectual property" patent that you seem so opposed to? If someone patents a process to make thingamjigs, that is ok, but if someone patents a piece of software to control their patented machines that produce those thingamajigs that is suddenly wrong, and "information wants to be free"? Give me a break!
Yes, yes it is. If a mime gets hit by a tree in the forest, does anyone care? Sometimes, no matter how much testing you do, shit just happens. It is a fact of life. Show me one perfect, bug free, piece of software. Stuff breaks all the time, we only notice it when it affects us. We take for granted sometimes how good we have it. Power in this country is extremely reliable. We act as if a bomb dropped when the power goes out. Some parts of the world do not have power, clean water, etc. We should think of that before we start whining about having to actually talk to each other, use candles, read books, etc.
What is next on the agenda, protesting ownership of property? Everything should be free, unless it is yours? What a giant waste of time, I have no problem with software patents, if they are issued sanely. The people patenting hyperlinks and such are the exception rather than the rule.
Over 100mbps. It really is not that much data being passed back and forth, just refreshing the video information. The applications live on the server. Profiles don't much matter if everything is on the server. All the Exchange data would reside on the server farm as well. We would like for nothing to be stored on the client's machine, for backup and data integrity purposes.
Not diskless clients, thin clients. So, they have their own HDDs, but access most applications through the portal. I do not have this deployed, it is just in testing.
Slashdot Mirror
Built by a man named Lyle Lanley, if I remember correctly.
Which leads directly back to your argument. Ok, I will cede this one to you. They can just hire someone outside US jurisdiction to send SPAM for them. Make it illegal for them to hire someone else to send for them, unless they are a US company. It's cyclical.
So your solution would make it illegal to buy things from the spammers? That is the analogue I drew. Why punish the "victim" and not the perpetrator? Would you throw a rape victim in jail? You also need a license to watch television in the UK. Don't get me wrong, I love the UK (Northern Ireland especially), but that is not an act I would like to follow. If the stations are broadcasting illegally, find out why. Is it because of restrictions on speech, red tape, exorbitant fees that only people with deep pockets can afford? The more voices you have, the better. I read a study that stated that ~60% of SPAM originates in the US (yay, were number 1!). I do not know if that means "starts here, then gets shot off to a Chinese server, then bombards inboxes back in the US". If so, where would the law take affect? At the originating machine? At the mailserver? Somewhere in between? We need to come up with some hard, fast guidelines worldwide if we have any serious desire to end the SPAM problem.
It is meant to be redundant. Redundancy and sarcasm come across better spoken than written.
If you are in the IT field, and work at a job you may consider "unsecure", you are still making contacts and impressing people if you do well. Once you are in the field you are IN. You won't believe the amount of job offers you get when you get a Net Admin/Engineer job. It is analagous to "when you have a girlfriend, suddenly girls talk to you. when you were single, they would not give you the time of day." Good luck man. I would keep a second part-time job just for a hobby, the less computer related, the better.
Virtual hosts anyone?
Or should that read "You reek, ugh!"?
What is that old saying? "You can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear".
Thank you for the rational response. I thought I made it clear I was not stating a fact, that I was uncertain. I was correct, in a sense, but was mistaken as to what my information was in reference to. Thanks for clearing it up for me.
Just because there is a market for contingency does not denote unreliability. How do you define reliability? Power going out once a day, week, month, year? Car batteries rarely die, but does that mean that a set of jumper cables is a vote of no confidence? No, it means you are prepared for contingency.
The telegraph and the lightbulb are trivial applications of common knowledge, should they be unpatentable as well? What is the incentive to invent if any and everyone can just copy it and use it as their own? Just like Communism, what is the incentive to produce if you don't get anything out of it? Not much.
Playing devil's advocate sure is fun! Anyway, blaming the process rather than the result is juvenile. Innocent people get convicted, therefore there should be no laws! On the other hand, how do you protect someone who has worked their ass of on something, to have it snatched by some copycat. I realise it is the goal of most programmers to make their mark on things, but, why is the computing world so different from the "real" world?
Do these 43 million active users know they are active users? I suppose basing your business plan on deceit and subterfuge is the American way.
Don't pull a "what about the children?!?!" on me. I tend to not worry about things. People who expect perfection are likely to be disappointed. Am I a medical software developer? No. If I were I would not hold the same viewpoint. I would strive to make the best code possible, but it is not possible to test for every contingency. Expecting perfection from everything is insane. As an atheist, I do not pray that often. I know it is just a figure of speech though.
How the fuck is this flamebait?
This seems like old news to me. I seem to recall Sun saying they were not going to produce their own chips anymore, and just use AMD 64 chips. I recall this happening ~6 months ago.
What the fuck is the difference between a regular patent and a newfangled "intellectual property" patent that you seem so opposed to? If someone patents a process to make thingamjigs, that is ok, but if someone patents a piece of software to control their patented machines that produce those thingamajigs that is suddenly wrong, and "information wants to be free"? Give me a break!
No, no it doesn't. I meant software in the sense of "running power plants" or "actually does something". Not "Hello World" samples.
Yes, yes it is. If a mime gets hit by a tree in the forest, does anyone care? Sometimes, no matter how much testing you do, shit just happens. It is a fact of life. Show me one perfect, bug free, piece of software. Stuff breaks all the time, we only notice it when it affects us. We take for granted sometimes how good we have it. Power in this country is extremely reliable. We act as if a bomb dropped when the power goes out. Some parts of the world do not have power, clean water, etc. We should think of that before we start whining about having to actually talk to each other, use candles, read books, etc.
What is next on the agenda, protesting ownership of property? Everything should be free, unless it is yours? What a giant waste of time, I have no problem with software patents, if they are issued sanely. The people patenting hyperlinks and such are the exception rather than the rule.
OK, I am doing a survey, how many /.ers steal cable? /sarcasm
Over 100mbps. It really is not that much data being passed back and forth, just refreshing the video information. The applications live on the server. Profiles don't much matter if everything is on the server. All the Exchange data would reside on the server farm as well. We would like for nothing to be stored on the client's machine, for backup and data integrity purposes.
Are you a government agent?
Not diskless clients, thin clients. So, they have their own HDDs, but access most applications through the portal. I do not have this deployed, it is just in testing.
A Canadian two dollar bill no less.