...if ThinkGeek is behind this, or if this is straight out of Rob's head. I mean, I'm sure ThinkGeek is getting their servers mangled right now because of the posting, which is what lead me to this thought (brain fart?).
Most people who use computers are not techincal, nor should they be. That's great that YOU want to learn Linux, but most people should NOT be spending time playing with their PC's at work.
You are right. 100% right. "Most" people shouldn't have stupid things packed in their heads so they can actually walk up to a ATM and use it as the service it is rather than stand and wonder what OS it's running (although I've watched a couple older models boot and they were running MS-DOS 5... serioulsy...).
I do find it great that I WANT to learn Linux. I find it great that I can use an OS that doesn't tie me into license fees and still be able to everything I need my box to do. Thank you for the support!
most people should NOT be spending time playing with their PC's at work.
playing at work. Hmmm... I filled out my time sheet, fixed my exchange server, fixed Manager's Edge (again, for the hundreth time), and several other things. Where from? THIS Linux box. Yea, I'm playing...
And before you say "you're posting on/. at work", I'll have to remind you that you gotta reboot M$'s OS for almost every damn thing you do... I gotta find some way of killing a few minutes here and there...
Many - most - people don't want to learn all that much about a computer.
Yup, you read me right, then. "about a computer".
My Mom, who, at retirement age [the rest]...
COOL! Seriously! No flaming. That's some great stuff. But as I said above and you agreed to, that's not what I was saying.
How arrogant.
Nope, not arrogant, just experienced. I do this with my Mom Dad, and sister almost everyday (and also the dolts here at work). If you wanna run a laundry list of credentials (as you did):
Mom: Registerd Labratory Technicititan. Curently providing daycare for my Son.
Dad: Head of R&D that developed the Video Disk at Zenith in the 70's. Worked for Beltone's R&D department. MANY inovations there. From there went to MARS electronics and was a V for a while while still devloping vialbe products at the same time. You use most of the stuff he's helped designed when standing infront of most vending machines that you stick your bills into (there's still a few old models sitting in the basement at home).
Sister: Well, long story. Not much to say.
Me: Network Administrator for 7 or 8 years now. I've had a keyborad under my fingers since my Dad bought the first commadore back in like 81 or 82 (I forget). I know about them thar things that is named compooters. And I also now about the folks that use them (especially since it's my job now, and not just something I did at home).
(I'd post a pic of the very first Video Disk ever made that my Dad still has haning on his wall, but I don't seem to have the jpg on this machine to upload, sorry).
People who have better things to do than understand UNIX deserve freedom too.
Understood. And I even 100% agree, to a point. To use Win*, you still have to have a basic understanding of what you're saving and where you're saving it to. The basics are NO different from Win*, to Linux (in this example). It's just a totally different enviroment (Linux), so people actually have to learn something different and that is the point. People have to learn. Most people don't want to (or have the capacity to).
That's where the whole Linux thing falls apart. If the average (L)user has only been exposed to Win*, then that's all they know, and most likley, will know. If they have ever even heard the word "UNIX", it's associated with "that computer that is only text, right?" kind of thought.
That's the major thing that Linux needs to overcome to "get users". Either start with our children (as I am doing), or take the time to explain to users the benifits of *NIX (and not from a "Fuck Bill Gates" perspective).
I am a Linux user by choice. After years of Commadore, several versions of Mac, OS/2 (PC-DOS, M$'s OS/2, and Warp!), many Win versions, etc., I find Linux (UNIX in general, I suppose) to be the most intuitve enviroment. Throw on top of that GUI's like KDE (w00t!) and Gnome and BlackBox, etc, you find yourself with a reliable, and pretty machine that can run on shit hardware at NO cost. How can one go wrong?
Just take the time to help the n00bs and the rest will fall into place.
Why can't folks like you figure it out that not everyone wants to study the internal workings of obscure OS's.
That's not what I took from that. Although poorly said, what he (I feel) is trying to say is something like:
People are lazy (yes, there's stupid ones too). They don't want to LEARN anything new. They want to be handed something that they know the person sitting next to them knows because when the person is stumped, rather than hit Google, or try to figure it out, they turn to the person next to them.
"Hey Sam, how do I change the background of my main window here?"
"Main Window? You mean the Desktop?"
"I dunno, I guess."
THAT is my point, and I think Teknogeek's as well.
I'm an Admin. I've seen this in action for 7 or 8 years.
The Crystal Icons seem to be very little more than a myth still, though. Everaldo (the artist of the icon set) has been saying for months that he'll release them in April. We'll see...
Personally, I still prefer the Slick Theme over them any day.
And I should probably go ahead and plug Mosfet's Liquid Theme which should have a (back-ported from KDE3) release out soon.:-) It all makes for a very purty desktop! Keep it up everyone!
If you didn't watch Phantom Menace until it was rentable, you would have no idea who this Jar-Jar was
I'll have to disagree. I STILL have yet to watch it. BUT I have a couple geek-a-zoid friends that saw it several-teen times between them. I've watched the trailers, read reviews, seen screen captures, etc. I'm in no rush to get it. The next time I find myself with 17 bucks to burn, maybe I'll get it.
I much more prefer watching Office Space, or Fire Walk with Me, or T-2, anyway.
My point is that I don't need to see it. Maybe if I've nothing better to do, I'll go rent it. I think hitting F5 waiting to try to get a Fyr57 P057 is more entertaining, from what I know of that flick.
Personally, this is a very good read. I found this bit especially interesting:
The processor is completely redundant with the exception of the interface circuits. Upon command from the spacecraft, the signal processor can be switched from the main logic system to a standby redundant logic system. The function of the processor is to sequentially accumulate data on a frame basis from the seven detectors. Data are accumulated in a 24 bit register and then compressed quasi-logarithmically to 12 bits for transmission.
As the other artices say, that baby is getting quite cold. There's a year by year printout of it's tmperature on that page too.
Anyway, I just thougt I'd point this out for those interested in a little more "dry" facts on the thing other than the hoopla of it talking back (which is a feat, don't get me wrong).
I can't speak on OS-X (as I've never used it yet), but i can say that I have a HP-5000 and on of their ink jets (I honestly forget teh model number at the moment), and with Linux (using CUPS) I print to them as a RAW device. It's flwless.
On a similar note, I got my Lexmark Z52 printing from my Linux box here at home just a couple days ago. And no, I'm not using Lexmarks stuff to do it. Just CUPS.:-)
only Google has vowed to NOT accept money from companies for guaranteed placement in search results.
I think "vowed" is a bit strong of a word since Google does take money for (quote from that page) an enhanced text link appears at the top of the Google result page whenever the keyword or phrase you have purchased is searched for by one of our users.
Don't get me wrong, I've Google and have used them for a couple years (or however long, I'm honestly not sure), but I'm just pointing out that the statement fo vowed to not to accept money for guaranteed placement is drop dead wrong. Not even a streth, just dead wrong.
P.S.
That enhanced text link they speak of can't (as far as I can tell) be opened in a seperate window. It forses the focal window to honor the link request...
No, no no, man. What CentrX was trying to say is that Marcelo could've easily uploded a diffrent tarball then he had origanilly released to "cover his ass". He didn't. He admited an "over sight" and submitted a patch. THAT is the attraction of open source. The mistake was caught, fixed and made available in less than 24 hours. Try to get *ANY* of the comercial companies to do that.
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Not even OS companies. How long did it take for the AIM hack to get fixed? XP had a full blown service pack a week after it's release? Then there's Universal Plug-n-Pray...
less than 24 hours ain't bad at all. I think I personally have "gotten" the best attention from Open Source projects. Even something like the IRC client I use. I've e-talked with a couple of the developers a couple times now. Somethings got fixed and submitted to CVS while on with them. My other (real) e-mail address can be found in a good few of Mandrake's RPM's because of things I've reported and helped fix.
SO what?
How does whom-ever think Google is going to be able to pay for the thousands of boxes, and thousands of Meg-a-bytes they use? What's the big deal. It's not this they're popping up X-10 adds. No big deal? Move on.
~~~
BTW, I tried posting this (twice) from the KDE3 Beta2. It choked everytime I tried typing in a LESS-THAN and a letter into this text box (for HTML formating). I think I need to look into this further and submit a bug report if nessissary ((sp) I could never spell that word...).
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DAMN IT!!
HA!
Gotcha! April Fools, silly monkey!
I really wanted glow in the dark beer (oh, and Boba Fett's helmet too...). Damn them.
...if ThinkGeek is behind this, or if this is straight out of Rob's head. I mean, I'm sure ThinkGeek is getting their servers mangled right now because of the posting, which is what lead me to this thought (brain fart?).
URL please?
Just ROT13 your mail and no one can break it.
er...
Wait, nevermind...
Most people who use computers are not techincal, nor should they be. That's great that YOU want to learn Linux, but most people should NOT be spending time playing with their PC's at work.
/. at work", I'll have to remind you that you gotta reboot M$'s OS for almost every damn thing you do... I gotta find some way of killing a few minutes here and there...
You are right. 100% right. "Most" people shouldn't have stupid things packed in their heads so they can actually walk up to a ATM and use it as the service it is rather than stand and wonder what OS it's running (although I've watched a couple older models boot and they were running MS-DOS 5... serioulsy...). I do find it great that I WANT to learn Linux. I find it great that I can use an OS that doesn't tie me into license fees and still be able to everything I need my box to do. Thank you for the support!
most people should NOT be spending time playing with their PC's at work.
playing at work. Hmmm... I filled out my time sheet, fixed my exchange server, fixed Manager's Edge (again, for the hundreth time), and several other things. Where from? THIS Linux box. Yea, I'm playing...
And before you say "you're posting on
Many - most - people don't want to learn all that much about a computer.
Yup, you read me right, then. "about a computer".
My Mom, who, at retirement age [the rest]...
COOL! Seriously! No flaming. That's some great stuff. But as I said above and you agreed to, that's not what I was saying.
How arrogant.
Nope, not arrogant, just experienced. I do this with my Mom Dad, and sister almost everyday (and also the dolts here at work). If you wanna run a laundry list of credentials (as you did):
Mom: Registerd Labratory Technicititan. Curently providing daycare for my Son.
Dad: Head of R&D that developed the Video Disk at Zenith in the 70's. Worked for Beltone's R&D department. MANY inovations there. From there went to MARS electronics and was a V for a while while still devloping vialbe products at the same time. You use most of the stuff he's helped designed when standing infront of most vending machines that you stick your bills into (there's still a few old models sitting in the basement at home).
Sister: Well, long story. Not much to say.
Me: Network Administrator for 7 or 8 years now. I've had a keyborad under my fingers since my Dad bought the first commadore back in like 81 or 82 (I forget). I know about them thar things that is named compooters. And I also now about the folks that use them (especially since it's my job now, and not just something I did at home). (I'd post a pic of the very first Video Disk ever made that my Dad still has haning on his wall, but I don't seem to have the jpg on this machine to upload, sorry).
People who have better things to do than understand UNIX deserve freedom too.
Understood. And I even 100% agree, to a point. To use Win*, you still have to have a basic understanding of what you're saving and where you're saving it to. The basics are NO different from Win*, to Linux (in this example). It's just a totally different enviroment (Linux), so people actually have to learn something different and that is the point. People have to learn. Most people don't want to (or have the capacity to).
That's where the whole Linux thing falls apart. If the average (L)user has only been exposed to Win*, then that's all they know, and most likley, will know. If they have ever even heard the word "UNIX", it's associated with "that computer that is only text, right?" kind of thought.
That's the major thing that Linux needs to overcome to "get users". Either start with our children (as I am doing), or take the time to explain to users the benifits of *NIX (and not from a "Fuck Bill Gates" perspective).
I am a Linux user by choice. After years of Commadore, several versions of Mac, OS/2 (PC-DOS, M$'s OS/2, and Warp!), many Win versions, etc., I find Linux (UNIX in general, I suppose) to be the most intuitve enviroment. Throw on top of that GUI's like KDE (w00t!) and Gnome and BlackBox, etc, you find yourself with a reliable, and pretty machine that can run on shit hardware at NO cost. How can one go wrong?
Just take the time to help the n00bs and the rest will fall into place.
Why can't folks like you figure it out that not everyone wants to study the internal workings of obscure OS's.
That's not what I took from that. Although poorly said, what he (I feel) is trying to say is something like:
People are lazy (yes, there's stupid ones too). They don't want to LEARN anything new. They want to be handed something that they know the person sitting next to them knows because when the person is stumped, rather than hit Google, or try to figure it out, they turn to the person next to them.
"Hey Sam, how do I change the background of my main window here?"
"Main Window? You mean the Desktop?"
"I dunno, I guess."
THAT is my point, and I think Teknogeek's as well.
I'm an Admin. I've seen this in action for 7 or 8 years.
So, CmdrTaco and Hemos locked me up inside a closet and forced me to play for the last week.
So does this mean that Timothy is admitting to be coming out of the closet now?
The Crystal Icons seem to be very little more than a myth still, though. Everaldo (the artist of the icon set) has been saying for months that he'll release them in April. We'll see...
:-) It all makes for a very purty desktop! Keep it up everyone!
Personally, I still prefer the Slick Theme over them any day.
And I should probably go ahead and plug Mosfet's Liquid Theme which should have a (back-ported from KDE3) release out soon.
THANK YOU!
What's the name of the tool you speak of? This is the first I've heard of this handy thing.
TIA!
I find the timing of this article quite ironic since me and a couple other guys here at work are looking into ways to improve our status on searches.
/., or do I come clean... Hmmm...
:-)
Looks like I just found the solution. Now, do I play it off as my own and hope they don't read
d00d, wake up. It's this really weird thing called "HUMOR" that is unheard of here on /., it seems...
If you didn't watch Phantom Menace until it was rentable, you would have no idea who this Jar-Jar was
I'll have to disagree. I STILL have yet to watch it. BUT I have a couple geek-a-zoid friends that saw it several-teen times between them. I've watched the trailers, read reviews, seen screen captures, etc. I'm in no rush to get it. The next time I find myself with 17 bucks to burn, maybe I'll get it.
I much more prefer watching Office Space, or Fire Walk with Me, or T-2, anyway.
My point is that I don't need to see it. Maybe if I've nothing better to do, I'll go rent it. I think hitting F5 waiting to try to get a Fyr57 P057 is more entertaining, from what I know of that flick.
Just my own opinion.
And when he's introduced for the first time in this one...the audience is going to have a laugh
Source?
Sorry, but the question needs to be asked.
Not as sexy. (Score:2, Redundant)
Redundant? I thought that was funny as hell! D00d's got a good point, too.
Or the success of the X-33...
:-)
Or X-34...
Or the X-30...
What about the X-10?
Woah. A /. user on Windows? Nah... I must not have had enough coffee yet.
:-)
You all HAVE to read this. Seriously. This is a good bit of nice dry tech specs on the Pioneer 10.
Personally, this is a very good read. I found this bit especially interesting:
The processor is completely redundant with the exception of the interface circuits. Upon command from the spacecraft, the signal processor can be switched from the main logic system to a standby redundant logic system. The function of the processor is to sequentially accumulate data on a frame basis from the seven detectors. Data are accumulated in a 24 bit register and then compressed quasi-logarithmically to 12 bits for transmission.
As the other artices say, that baby is getting quite cold. There's a year by year printout of it's tmperature on that page too.
Anyway, I just thougt I'd point this out for those interested in a little more "dry" facts on the thing other than the hoopla of it talking back (which is a feat, don't get me wrong).
Does this mean OS X will finally support PCL?
:-)
I can't speak on OS-X (as I've never used it yet), but i can say that I have a HP-5000 and on of their ink jets (I honestly forget teh model number at the moment), and with Linux (using CUPS) I print to them as a RAW device. It's flwless.
On a similar note, I got my Lexmark Z52 printing from my Linux box here at home just a couple days ago. And no, I'm not using Lexmarks stuff to do it. Just CUPS.
woah, that was some nasty typing... sorry folks. :-(
and I even pre-viewed a couple times...
only Google has vowed to NOT accept money from companies for guaranteed placement in search results.
I think "vowed" is a bit strong of a word since Google does take money for (quote from that page) an enhanced text link appears at the top of the Google result page whenever the keyword or phrase you have purchased is searched for by one of our users.
Don't get me wrong, I've Google and have used them for a couple years (or however long, I'm honestly not sure), but I'm just pointing out that the statement fo vowed to not to accept money for guaranteed placement is drop dead wrong. Not even a streth, just dead wrong.
P.S. That enhanced text link they speak of can't (as far as I can tell) be opened in a seperate window. It forses the focal window to honor the link request...
No, no no, man. What CentrX was trying to say is that Marcelo could've easily uploded a diffrent tarball then he had origanilly released to "cover his ass". He didn't. He admited an "over sight" and submitted a patch. THAT is the attraction of open source. The mistake was caught, fixed and made available in less than 24 hours. Try to get *ANY* of the comercial companies to do that.
/RANT
RANT Src="OffTopic"
Not even OS companies. How long did it take for the AIM hack to get fixed? XP had a full blown service pack a week after it's release? Then there's Universal Plug-n-Pray...
less than 24 hours ain't bad at all. I think I personally have "gotten" the best attention from Open Source projects. Even something like the IRC client I use. I've e-talked with a couple of the developers a couple times now. Somethings got fixed and submitted to CVS while on with them. My other (real) e-mail address can be found in a good few of Mandrake's RPM's because of things I've reported and helped fix.
Try that with a comercial company.
SO what?
How does whom-ever think Google is going to be able to pay for the thousands of boxes, and thousands of Meg-a-bytes they use? What's the big deal. It's not this they're popping up X-10 adds. No big deal? Move on.
~~~
BTW, I tried posting this (twice) from the KDE3 Beta2. It choked everytime I tried typing in a LESS-THAN and a letter into this text box (for HTML formating). I think I need to look into this further and submit a bug report if nessissary ((sp) I could never spell that word...).