I think it should be a little more "local" that that. What gives the right of the community to remove access from my [hypothetical] children, to ideas which they deem unacceptable for their children? I think the American Library Association has a really good perspective on this issue.
Nope. It has everything to do with her ability to speak about the issues. Perhaps you missed her "speech to the Digital Hollywood online entertainment conference, given in New York on May 16"
This is not a case of the libraries wanted to protect themselves from the liability of providing minors with unrestricted access to the internet. After all, librarians are typically the strongest supporters of the first amendment and the right to read. Ever go into a library during banned books week? In fact, they encourage you to read any books that have been challenged or censored.
This issue has nothing to do with filtering out access to DeCSS. Don't be rediculous. But as you pointed out, as it stands (pre-appeal and overturn of the DMCA), software (even if is considered speech) that violates DMCA is not protected by the first amendment.
However,
THIS seems to be ok to put in libraries. Funny how that works.
I was going to say the exact same thing, that it sounds like how the distributions work. Sure, the linux kernel currently is managed by Linus, but due to the bazarre nature of open source*, as some random CS guy from Finland, he was able to write a kernel and people started adopting it alongside the BSD and herd kernels, which were already in development.
Although he manages the kernel he does not manage any linux distributions.
* I use the term open source here since we are talking about ESR's open source theories. I usually call it free software.
The very idea that someone can decide how I will view something I've purchased makes my blood boil. Yes it's a viewing license, no I don't technically "own" the movie, but damn it, I want to be able use this on my terms, in my house, in any way I see fit.
I think this is a common misconception. There is no license involved in buying a DVD movie, unlike when you "buy" (actually license) software.
These ideas have been touched on by RMS in "The Freedome to Read."
Go back and read the books again. Society in his book is split up into very different subcultures. I've heard him say in person (at a book reading) he doesn't think that people will be able to get together and act as one homogenous type of group.
Would you happen to have any more information, like which case this was? I was searching for information on the internet and couldn't find much, although I did find this, which was a case in which those coursepacks were NOT illegal, after a long battle:
I am personally interested because I was working on software to help university bookstores track those copyright clearances. I haven't touched the project in a long time though. I'm trying to decide what I think about that now based on this information.
I am an Atheist. That pretty much puts me at the bottom of everyone's list, I know. Religion tends to be a "pick a religion, any religion" proposition. "You must believe is SOMEthing!" they say. Or my personal favorite: "Atheism is a religion too." Yeah, and health is a form of disease. (Health is the absence of disease not a type of disease. Atheism is the absence of religion*.)
Disclaimer: If you think I am bashing your religion right now, think again.
* belief in deities.
The thing is, I think a lot of geeks, especially science geeks, are much more likely to be atheists than the general population. And by atheists what I mean probably includes most peoples' definitions of agnostics and about a dozen other labels. (Like the difference between Free Software and Open Source.)
Because at C|Net, NYTimes, and CNN, you can't posts comments... well, like the one I am replying to. Slashdot is a discussion site, not necessarily a news site.
Taint mode has nothing to do with this. This is a buffer overflow problem caused by the user providing locale strings.
Perl does not have this problem, because perl doesn't let you write past the end of a string onto other variables, the stack, other code, etc...
C, using arrays, and having standard C functions which do stupid things (strcpy), is the problem. Although perl itself is written in C... does it use locales in a stupid way too? We'll have to see now, eh?
I am 25 years old, however I can still remember when I was a teenager, and how I felt about age discrimination against teenagers: unfair.
It may be easy to forget many of you probably felt the same way, but when you become older you probably do forget, and begin looking at things in your own interest. You come up with explanations about why the current situation should be perpetuated, which you would never believe if you were the subject of that discrimination.
I am not going to say, "Oh, I don't care if teens can't buy a computer game or CD or go to a movie, because I'm 25 now. It doesn't affect me." I still think it's unfair and I'm still pissed off about it.
What to do about it, then?
What is the legal basis of majority vs minority status, and how does that relate to civil rights?
Interesting... looks like some other people care about these issues too. Google search: "teen rights"
Choice is good, but it has to be easy. The main reason I don't like GNOME is because of the "choice" of window managers. If I log in cold to gnome, I have no window manager, and if I pick one, configurations and look-and-feel aren't coordinated. You can't expect users to figure out that desktop images are controlled by the window manager but screensavers are controlled by the desktop environment, or whatever. Let them default to E or whatever, and, just like KDE, I can change if it I am so inclined.
You might want to check out Sawmill. Just install helix-gnome and you should be all set up. Sawmill only does the things that it needs to, but it's (almost?) as configurable as E without the redundancies (like have a gnome menu come up on a left click and an enlightenment menu come up with a right click, heh). To tell you the truth I don't know which things are part of gnome and which are part of sawmill, but I don't really want (need?) to know.
Normally I'd say horking some else's style is not illegal, but in this case, he ripped the actual icons off of linux.com. As I write this, the "News" icons on linux.com and that tamu site are the same thing.
I think it's because I provided the link making my post "informative" (karma whoring more likely:) which would make your "redundant"... useless is more accurate (not intended as an insult).
I guess we should come up with an accepted protocol. "RFC: What to do when someone posts a bad link."
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I think it should be a little more "local" that that. What gives the right of the community to remove access from my [hypothetical] children, to ideas which they deem unacceptable for their children? I think the American Library Association has a really good perspective on this issue.
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Remember, banned books week is September 23-30.
http://www.ala.org/news/announcements/bbw2000.htm
Nope. It has everything to do with her ability to speak about the issues. Perhaps you missed her "speech to the Digital Hollywood online entertainment conference, given in New York on May 16"
ta-da:
http://salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/
drivers this and drivers that. What's the big deal?
D. Rivers is my name. Don't wear it out.
Damn. I need to start proofreading.
This is not a case of the libraries wanted to protect themselves from the liability of providing minors with unrestricted access to the internet. After all, librarians are typically the strongest supporters of the first amendment and the right to read. Ever go into a library during banned books week? In fact, they encourage you to read any books that have been challenged or censored.
Banned Books Week:
http://www.ala.org/bbooks/
Hey, banned books week begins one week from now!
This issue has nothing to do with filtering out access to DeCSS. Don't be rediculous. But as you pointed out, as it stands (pre-appeal and overturn of the DMCA), software (even if is considered speech) that violates DMCA is not protected by the first amendment.
However,
THIS seems to be ok to put in libraries. Funny how that works.
I was going to say the exact same thing, that it sounds like how the distributions work. Sure, the linux kernel currently is managed by Linus, but due to the bazarre nature of open source*, as some random CS guy from Finland, he was able to write a kernel and people started adopting it alongside the BSD and herd kernels, which were already in development.
Although he manages the kernel he does not manage any linux distributions.
* I use the term open source here since we are talking about ESR's open source theories. I usually call it free software.
No. It means that yahoo doesn't have a robots.txt file. Think about it.
The very idea that someone can decide how I will view something I've purchased makes my blood boil. Yes it's a viewing license, no I don't technically "own" the movie, but damn it, I want to be able use this on my terms, in my house, in any way I see fit.
I think this is a common misconception. There is no license involved in buying a DVD movie, unlike when you "buy" (actually license) software.
These ideas have been touched on by RMS in "The Freedome to Read."
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html
(site seems to not be responding at the moment though)
... about as well as "Who Wants to Marry a Multi-Millionaire."
Hmm. Read the last paragraph.
IHBT. IHL. IWHAND.
Go back and read the books again. Society in his book is split up into very different subcultures. I've heard him say in person (at a book reading) he doesn't think that people will be able to get together and act as one homogenous type of group.
heh. That's funny.
Oh well, I found out the actual line was: "What does your heart tell you?"
Do what your heart tells you.
Phantom Menace?
There was a lawsuit. The universities lost.
l
Would you happen to have any more information, like which case this was? I was searching for information on the internet and couldn't find much, although I did find this, which was a case in which those coursepacks were NOT illegal, after a long battle:
http://www2.h-net.msu.edu/~women/threads/pack.htm
I am personally interested because I was working on software to help university bookstores track those copyright clearances. I haven't touched the project in a long time though. I'm trying to decide what I think about that now based on this information.
I am an Atheist. That pretty much puts me at the bottom of everyone's list, I know. Religion tends to be a "pick a religion, any religion" proposition. "You must believe is SOMEthing!" they say. Or my personal favorite: "Atheism is a religion too." Yeah, and health is a form of disease. (Health is the absence of disease not a type of disease. Atheism is the absence of religion*.)
:)
Disclaimer: If you think I am bashing your religion right now, think again.
* belief in deities.
The thing is, I think a lot of geeks, especially science geeks, are much more likely to be atheists than the general population. And by atheists what I mean probably includes most peoples' definitions of agnostics and about a dozen other labels. (Like the difference between Free Software and Open Source.)
Hmm. Slow News Day.
The article states that they have been spending $10 million a year.
Because at C|Net, NYTimes, and CNN, you can't posts comments... well, like the one I am replying to. Slashdot is a discussion site, not necessarily a news site.
Taint mode has nothing to do with this. This is a buffer overflow problem caused by the user providing locale strings.
Perl does not have this problem, because perl doesn't let you write past the end of a string onto other variables, the stack, other code, etc...
C, using arrays, and having standard C functions which do stupid things (strcpy), is the problem. Although perl itself is written in C... does it use locales in a stupid way too? We'll have to see now, eh?
I am 25 years old, however I can still remember when I was a teenager, and how I felt about age discrimination against teenagers: unfair.
It may be easy to forget many of you probably felt the same way, but when you become older you probably do forget, and begin looking at things in your own interest. You come up with explanations about why the current situation should be perpetuated, which you would never believe if you were the subject of that discrimination.
I am not going to say, "Oh, I don't care if teens can't buy a computer game or CD or go to a movie, because I'm 25 now. It doesn't affect me." I still think it's unfair and I'm still pissed off about it.
What to do about it, then?
What is the legal basis of majority vs minority status, and how does that relate to civil rights?
Interesting... looks like some other people care about these issues too. Google search: "teen rights"
here are a few appetizers:
http://pages.prodigy.com/teenrights/agediscr.htm
http://pages.prodigy.com/teenrights/
... when he said Corporatism is Socialism for Corporations.
Choice is good, but it has to be easy. The main reason I don't like GNOME is because of the "choice" of window managers. If I log in cold to gnome, I have no window manager, and if I pick one, configurations and look-and-feel aren't coordinated. You can't expect users to figure out that desktop images are controlled by the window manager but screensavers are controlled by the desktop environment, or whatever. Let them default to E or whatever, and, just like KDE, I can change if it I am so inclined.
You might want to check out Sawmill. Just install helix-gnome and you should be all set up. Sawmill only does the things that it needs to, but it's (almost?) as configurable as E without the redundancies (like have a gnome menu come up on a left click and an enlightenment menu come up with a right click, heh). To tell you the truth I don't know which things are part of gnome and which are part of sawmill, but I don't really want (need?) to know.
Two things:
C-14 dating is only for things that LIVED on Earth.
C-14 dating is only for things that lived on EARTH.
Normally I'd say horking some else's style is not illegal, but in this case, he ripped the actual icons off of linux.com. As I write this, the "News" icons on linux.com and that tamu site are the same thing.
I think it's because I provided the link making my post "informative" (karma whoring more likely :) which would make your "redundant"... useless is more accurate (not intended as an insult).
I guess we should come up with an accepted protocol. "RFC: What to do when someone posts a bad link."
Only obvious to some, apparently.