I don't think so. I would suspect that the people who download the file would be avid promoters of it, and who would do much more for it than against it, and they would also probably actually watch it again on TV (cause nothing else is on anyway).
Anyway there are lots of people who would not be interested in downloading this show (think dialup users who were original show fans) but would like to hear from people who have. I think that it is brilliant guerilla marketing.
By now everyone should understand what Fedora is all about. It is not a production distro, it is not meant for anything but getting the new stuff working and stable FOR a production release. Thusly the releases are going to quick and should not necessarily be an easy upgrade. The fact that you can upgrade from release to relaase if you don't break anything yourself with yum IS impressive, and requires extrodanary effort from the team.
I used to have a paper route as I am sure that some you did. Even back then (1975) my manager told me that the cost of the paper to the subscribers was for the delivery of the paper not the content. The content is paid for by the advertizers.
So how much doesit cost to deliver the paper via the web? Surely it is cheaper than driving stacks of them to the local paperchild orsending via mail.
Also it must be way cheaper to maintain a server room than a paper press.
Should it be free? Do they want me to read their ads? That is what it is all about.
You may want to check out some new products that Apple is making. They are not quite secret and by your statements are obvoiusly not on your current radar screen.
Every PC would cost at least $5,000 Mac Mini,/a> $499 PC developers would be expected to grovel for the supreme privilege of creating apps Xcode - Free with OSX
And Ihave no idead what Your Mac could be taken away by armed fashionistas roaming the streets. is all about.....
Back in the day of good old DOS, the Un*x and Vax guys reminded all the DOS guys, that DOS was just a program loader and not a true operating system.
Doesn't this apply to browsers as well?
I just don't see how refering to these application's as "operating systems" helps any cause they are working twards, and it would seem to add a stigma that is perhaps not necessary.
In theory, we have the power - whether as consumers or as voters. But in reality, I think we don't really have much choice.
We only have power if we excersise it togather, in a unified voice. Then we have all the power in the world. What needs to happen is to get Joe & Josephine Sixpack to give a shit and get them to stop their consuming and voting with out thought.
Or Whitebox for that matter. If you have the need for "enterprise" class utility, then why would you not pay for it from the source and get the support.
To me "enterprise" is a large organization with lots of users needing lots of services somewhere close to 24/7. This means some amount of money is on the line, and thus should be done professionaly.
Now if they tried to make an "enterprise" Fedora that would be an interesting project. But just recompiling RHEL sources into a "new" distro seems to cheapen "enterprise".
But you did not mention the giant sums of money they are using from US consumner spending that is fueling the building. These roads, dams, bridges, electricity generating plants, etc are funded by people in sweatpants and t-shirts at the local super center buying the latest $39 microwave that will replace the one that just died 1 month out of warrenty.
If it is a public terminal, like some posts sugest, then I would think that being more keosk shaped would be in order. Which might lend itself to what other posts have sugested in taking care of the used computer surplus market. However, this also could be a seperate project all togather.
But I think that what NN is going for is cloer to his school project. Which is why a notebook design is key.
They click "Yes" because they simply are doing whatever they think will get them to the next screen. It is no different for the 30+ data entry people that I work with. All they are doing is completing as much as needed, as fast as they can, to get to the next screen
It is Motorola that they teamed up not Apple so it will be a phone that these things talk bluetooth to. So sound quality is already messed up. I guess it would make all those fancy ring tones sound cooler too.
Very un-Creative!!! Why can't they take their efforts and make something new and exciting? This MP3 player free ride has to be near its end anyway. What will the new must have gadget be?
Come on. I got an email yesterday from MacMall and was seriously impressed so I went to/. to see if it had been reported and discussed and sure enough, there was an artical from the prevous day. So I did not post an anouncement.
Then there is this one 2 days late.... Perhaps the poster should have checked as I did. Or better yet who approved this obvious dupe?
However, the gizmo is worthy of its own discussion and is quite cool.
Whay did they have to buy a software company to be able to offer software to fix their problems?
This is just crap, and Joe/Josephine Sixpack will never realize how much crap it is. He/She will just merrily download the fix and go on about their day and applaud Microsoft for fixing a huge problem. When actually they did not, Giant did. No one will be the wiser and Microsoft continues on making crap.
And then there is the problem that this is just a bandaid and the underlying problems are not fixed just covered up and we have a reactive solution to problems instead of proactive solutions to them. Which by and large is the current state of virus, spam, and adware solutions.
It is way too expensive. When a TiVo like device is standard fair for people on the Dish and DirecTv for $1000 how many marketing genius do we need to solve that puzzle.
If you read through the discussions you see a trend where this or that is missing from the core but it is available as an addon. Everything is there and documented but you have first know what you are looking for and then find it and install and configure it.
No one solution is right for everyone so there is much fragmentation and LOTS of features that are completely customizable. That is what is both wrong and right. And then you have the ever increaseing revisions which have an amazing amount of dependancies. Which again is both what is wron and what is right.
You can not have your FOSS and eat it too. It is this way by design.
They were overpriced because of the way they were sold. They had a boat load of overpriced sales people who worked on big commisions selling and the the market switched to buying machines that were a commodity, that people bought off a website or from a snail-mail cataloge.
I blame the greedy sales team for the death of SGI.
This mystifies me. I used to do quite alot of work on an Indy and O2's. A while back I got one for a couple of hundred dollars and promptly instlled everything I could find and I was seriously unimpressed. The OS is awesome, the interface is great, I do enjoy working on them. However, a 180 mhz CPU is still slow.
What the artical fails to explain is what these people are running on them that is so much better than what we are using on Mac's and PC's.
The Cosmo stuff was brilliant in 1997. Asa matter of fact the Cosmo World VRML editor was amazing and one of the reasons that I hesitated in selling the O2. But I did not have any video software to work with, so I would really like to know what these video people are running that is so wonderful. I am also wondering where they are getting the software to run on them. Or is it just "I use an SGI, I am cool" that helps rub elbows in the Hollywierd circuits?
BeOS has the same fanatical feel and we all know how cool the BeBox was. But I think that I would still rather a modern CPU from (insert vendor here).
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The actual practicality of a prototype such as this is not in every detail, but that it can be done.
When the production version comes about then you could nit-pick an item like the weight of the vehicle.
And I just bought a winning lottery ticket the same day some guy figured out how to blow up the world in 10 easy steps!!!
I don't think so. I would suspect that the people who download the file would be avid promoters of it, and who would do much more for it than against it, and they would also probably actually watch it again on TV (cause nothing else is on anyway).
Anyway there are lots of people who would not be interested in downloading this show (think dialup users who were original show fans) but would like to hear from people who have. I think that it is brilliant guerilla marketing.
I tried to use "who" as many times as I could....
By now everyone should understand what Fedora is all about. It is not a production distro, it is not meant for anything but getting the new stuff working and stable FOR a production release. Thusly the releases are going to quick and should not necessarily be an easy upgrade. The fact that you can upgrade from release to relaase if you don't break anything yourself with yum IS impressive, and requires extrodanary effort from the team.
Strong Work Fedora Crew!!! Very wonderful effort.
I used to have a paper route as I am sure that some you did. Even back then (1975) my manager told me that the cost of the paper to the subscribers was for the delivery of the paper not the content. The content is paid for by the advertizers.
So how much doesit cost to deliver the paper via the web? Surely it is cheaper than driving stacks of them to the local paperchild orsending via mail.
Also it must be way cheaper to maintain a server room than a paper press.
Should it be free? Do they want me to read their ads? That is what it is all about.
You may want to check out some new products that Apple is making. They are not quite secret and by your statements are obvoiusly not on your current radar screen.
Every PC would cost at least $5,000
Mac Mini,/a> $499 PC
developers would be expected to grovel for the supreme privilege of creating apps
Xcode - Free with OSX
And Ihave no idead what Your Mac could be taken away by armed fashionistas roaming the streets. is all about.....
I would be suprised if Intel actually made a PC. That would totally piss off all the PC makers which buy their componants.
Back in the day of good old DOS, the Un*x and Vax guys reminded all the DOS guys, that DOS was just a program loader and not a true operating system.
Doesn't this apply to browsers as well?
I just don't see how refering to these application's as "operating systems" helps any cause they are working twards, and it would seem to add a stigma that is perhaps not necessary.
In theory, we have the power - whether as consumers or as voters. But in reality, I think we don't really have much choice.
We only have power if we excersise it togather, in a unified voice. Then we have all the power in the world. What needs to happen is to get Joe & Josephine Sixpack to give a shit and get them to stop their consuming and voting with out thought.
Or Whitebox for that matter. If you have the need for "enterprise" class utility, then why would you not pay for it from the source and get the support.
To me "enterprise" is a large organization with lots of users needing lots of services somewhere close to 24/7. This means some amount of money is on the line, and thus should be done professionaly.
Now if they tried to make an "enterprise" Fedora that would be an interesting project. But just recompiling RHEL sources into a "new" distro seems to cheapen "enterprise".
You are absolutly correct.
But you did not mention the giant sums of money they are using from US consumner spending that is fueling the building. These roads, dams, bridges, electricity generating plants, etc are funded by people in sweatpants and t-shirts at the local super center buying the latest $39 microwave that will replace the one that just died 1 month out of warrenty.
If it is a public terminal, like some posts sugest, then I would think that being more keosk shaped would be in order. Which might lend itself to what other posts have sugested in taking care of the used computer surplus market. However, this also could be a seperate project all togather.
But I think that what NN is going for is cloer to his school project. Which is why a notebook design is key.
They click "Yes" because they simply are doing whatever they think will get them to the next screen. It is no different for the 30+ data entry people that I work with. All they are doing is completing as much as needed, as fast as they can, to get to the next screen
It is Motorola that they teamed up not Apple so it will be a phone that these things talk bluetooth to. So sound quality is already messed up. I guess it would make all those fancy ring tones sound cooler too.
Very un-Creative!!! Why can't they take their efforts and make something new and exciting? This MP3 player free ride has to be near its end anyway. What will the new must have gadget be?
Way to figure out the name of the chick you saw on flashyourrack.com!!!
Come on. I got an email yesterday from MacMall and was seriously impressed so I went to /. to see if it had been reported and discussed and sure enough, there was an artical from the prevous day. So I did not post an anouncement.
Then there is this one 2 days late.... Perhaps the poster should have checked as I did. Or better yet who approved this obvious dupe?
However, the gizmo is worthy of its own discussion and is quite cool.
If you have to modify the powerlines and have transmiters ever Km then you might as well just string fiber everywhere.
Whay did they have to buy a software company to be able to offer software to fix their problems?
This is just crap, and Joe/Josephine Sixpack will never realize how much crap it is. He/She will just merrily download the fix and go on about their day and applaud Microsoft for fixing a huge problem. When actually they did not, Giant did. No one will be the wiser and Microsoft continues on making crap.
And then there is the problem that this is just a bandaid and the underlying problems are not fixed just covered up and we have a reactive solution to problems instead of proactive solutions to them. Which by and large is the current state of virus, spam, and adware solutions.
Sorry got the numbers all wrong:
DirecTv and Dish PVR $1000.
Me and "Fat finger Fred" will shut up now.
It is way too expensive. When a TiVo like device is standard fair for people on the Dish and DirecTv for $1000 how many marketing genius do we need to solve that puzzle.
Joe Sixpack is not even going to know about it.
This is "Bob" in a new dress.
If you read through the discussions you see a trend where this or that is missing from the core but it is available as an addon. Everything is there and documented but you have first know what you are looking for and then find it and install and configure it.
No one solution is right for everyone so there is much fragmentation and LOTS of features that are completely customizable. That is what is both wrong and right. And then you have the ever increaseing revisions which have an amazing amount of dependancies. Which again is both what is wron and what is right.
You can not have your FOSS and eat it too. It is this way by design.
They were overpriced because of the way they were sold. They had a boat load of overpriced sales people who worked on big commisions selling and the the market switched to buying machines that were a commodity, that people bought off a website or from a snail-mail cataloge.
I blame the greedy sales team for the death of SGI.
This mystifies me. I used to do quite alot of work on an Indy and O2's. A while back I got one for a couple of hundred dollars and promptly instlled everything I could find and I was seriously unimpressed. The OS is awesome, the interface is great, I do enjoy working on them. However, a 180 mhz CPU is still slow.
What the artical fails to explain is what these people are running on them that is so much better than what we are using on Mac's and PC's.
The Cosmo stuff was brilliant in 1997. Asa matter of fact the Cosmo World VRML editor was amazing and one of the reasons that I hesitated in selling the O2. But I did not have any video software to work with, so I would really like to know what these video people are running that is so wonderful. I am also wondering where they are getting the software to run on them. Or is it just "I use an SGI, I am cool" that helps rub elbows in the Hollywierd circuits?
BeOS has the same fanatical feel and we all know how cool the BeBox was. But I think that I would still rather a modern CPU from (insert vendor here).
I have a new notebook with an AMD64 cpu and I want to try out a few distro's w/o installing them....
However, I have only gotten Gentoo to fire up. Does anyone know of a good multimedia AMD64 LiveCD?