"based on a survey of 7,800 companies worldwide."
I'm not how these surveys work or what type of people respond to them. If you as admin received a request from someone you have no professional relationship with to tell your most blacklisted apps, how would you respond? Anyone with a reputation wouldn't as this could be an attack vector in itself. And who manually blacklists apps anyway? Any security blacklist is usually predefined by the software you use to blacklist by category or classification. There aren't millions of security people out there all creating their own custom hand written lists, it doesn't work because the vendor releases v2 and your blacklist is useless. The whole article just screams fake news...
There is talk among Washington reporters that they actually wonder if Trump is in possession of his faculties.
Of course he is, his Doctor said he is the healthiest individual ever elected President. Because that sounds like the words a professional doctor would use...
The Russians are a very paranoid people, who think the whole world is out to "get them".
That's an odd thing to say. Do you know many Russians? I know one or two, nether of which are any more/less paranoid than you average muslim/atheist/gay fearing American.
Treating them with some respect may go a long way. This is not a zero-sum relationship.
Like murderers right? Putting them in jail hasn't stopped murders, so we should let them all go. Maybe that could work?
This is the level of intellect we are dealing with with Trump supporters...
If you need more examples, I have switched dozens of people from Windows to Linux. MOstly grandma types who are tired of the problems they have with Windows. And some folks who are more adroit, but likewise tired of the hassle.
And if you can't appreciate that the use cases for computer users worldwide is more than a dozen grandmas you've met, then I can't help you. Cognitive dissonance and all that...
How so? I have a card and I have my iPhone. I can use either.
Apple issues you cards? Or you have to get that from the bank? If the bank does cards and phone apps, what value is Apple adding?
As for security.. someone can steal my card and I have to deal with everything that goes along with that.
True, so if you are that paranoid leave it at home in the safe and use your banking app (which works on phones from more than one vendor)
Someone could even still clone the mag stripe or write down the number and CVV code from the back.
How? The current system involves you tapping the card yourself, it never leaves your possession, how does anyone ever get to see the stripe or the CVV? And since all our card are smart cards, stripe cloning is useless on it's own.
My phone gives out none of that. Sadly we are not in a world where I can leave my (ridiculously insecure) credit cards at home. But I hope we get there soon.
We can in Australia, because our banks have had contactless payment apps for years. This is why Apple will not takeover here, because nothing they offer is new in this market
The only reason the fingerprint would be extra labour is if the phone (either software or hardware) is badly designed.
My daughter has an iPhone. The fingerprint reader works most of the time first go, but not always. To me that is less good design than not needing a fingerprint in the first place.
That is almost always the case. What is generally true, however, is that they find a way to do it *better*.
Maybe, but I'm still waiting to see what is better with Apple Pay than my bank's apps which do exactly the same thing, but on multiple types of devices.
That said.. Apple pay is just another level of security. Contactless cards can be used by anyone who has the card (up to a per-transaction limit of $100 at most places, if I'm not mistaken).
My bank had an NFC phone app before Apple Pay was released, so if you need that level of security it is already there. Also the bank covers the loss of contactless transaction, so even if someone takes your card you're covered. Also you have the choice of the free card, or the app, or both. Apple offers no such choice.
With Apple pay I still need to use my fingerprint to authorize which is nice.
From a Ux perspective it's an extra step which is considered worse.
I also find it easier than rifling through my wallet to find the card I want whereas I always have my phone closer to hand than my wallet and I can very easily choose the proper card right on the phone.
Most people here have their daily transaction card in their phone cover so same process, minus the fingerprint step which is more labour for no real benefit. I keep my wallet in my front pocket, with phone in the other. Contactless goes through leather so it's exactly the same effort to swipe (actually easier when you don't have to scan your fingerprint)
t I'm pretty sure that with Apple Pay the actual card number is replaced with a device-unique token so that the merchant never sees or transmits your actual card number. I don't think that's the case with contactless cards (but I'm not certain about that last bit).
Tokens are standard in the payments world. The card readers in the store are owned by the bank (or their agents) and do the same thing. The merchant never sees the number.
I've had some experience in the payments world (not a lot), and nothing Apple is doing is new (unless you live somewhere with 1980's banking tech).
The office worker normally does a few things and needs to do them well
Spread Sheets
Technical Proposals
Power Point type slides
Emails
The top three are from LibreOffice.
To a point, the problem you run into is if you are a decent sized org, you will also have ERP integration, which generally works with Excel out of the box.
You also get compatibility issues if you share docs across organisations. It might work most of the time, but the few times it fucks up you will under the spotlight as to why you chose this shit software.
Windows/Office works with more things more often, which is why most businesses go down that path.
The city government must realize that its not just W10, but anti-virus, and a whole workforce to support W10. In my view, a much larger workforce than is needed for Linux support.
You're talking TCO, which numerous studies have demonstrated the results.
There is a reason that 90%+ of desktops are Windows, and it's not all to do with golf course deals.
Eliminating left turns only makes sense in countries where you drive on the right, right?
UPS is a global company, So I'm assuming they know this won't work out so well in those places that drive on the left. .
We saw this already in the US when Apple Pay was first launched.
Nope, the Australian banking industry is vastly different.
It looks like a last ditch effort by that Aussie banking cartel to prevent Apple from giving the consumer a fast, safe & convenient customer experience WITHOUT handing over personal data for tracking purposes.
Cartel? Really? The banks here had contactless payments for years before Apple. It's already fast, and safe, and convenient, and free, (no $1000 phone required). What value are Apple adding by playing me too? Remember Australia is not like the US, our banks are robust, well regulated and tech savvy already. Our banking tech is generations ahead of the US.
Not only did customers switch banks for Apple Pay they also stopped shopping at retailers who boycotted it.
Because the US banking system is stuck in the 80's. That doesn't apply here. My banks all are more advanced than Apple in this space, why would I as a customer choose Apple over my existing bank?
It took a year before those who opposed it crumbled. I predict the same in Australia.
Because like most Americans you are unaware that things work differently in other places.
The consumer has all the real power here and voting with your wallet is still very effective.
This isn't about Apple. This is about data collection on consumers.
I only wish Apple would use their cash war chest to lobby more to get the necessary legislation to protect public privacy.
What? You're talking out of your hat. Card privacy is already strictly regulated here, Apple are bringing nothing new, merely trying to get in on the action.
Agreed. Apple pay is ridiculously easy and convenient. Works every time and it couldn't be easier. What's more nobody can surf over my shoulder for my pin and the retailer never sees my cc number or even my name.
The retailers have shown time and time again that they are incapable (or unwilling) to secure CC data. Why give them yet another opportunity to cock things up?
Ok I'm gathering from comments here that the banks in the US don't have a similar contactless payments system already?
Here in Australia our banks had contactless, swipe and go cards for years before Apple. So when Apple released Apple Pay it was like WTF, we've had this for years.
So it's not that Apple pay is good, it's that your banks are shit and are stuck in the 80's?
Even though I'm giving up on the Apple Watch and computers I do find the Apple Pay to be pretty convenient.
When you say 'Apple Pay' do you really mean contactless payments? Because we've had contactless payments for years before Apple Pay played 'me too' with the same tech. There is simply no reason to use the Apple version of contactless payments when all the others do a better job, already exist, and don't rely on the Apple ecosystem to function.
OK, so this is a '. . . sky is falling' scenario, but EVERY precaution needs to be considered - and planned for - when introducing a process that is deliberately designed for total species-line extermination
Well it's good we have Slashdot, otherwise no-one else would have thought about this.
How you think these things work?
...and possibly new species as natural selection tries to find a way. Most likely into a species that can change it's sex after adulthood or possess both sets of reproductive organs.
No, the most likely outcome is that the mice will die out.
Nature finding a way is from a movie, it is not how nature actually works. Otherwise the thousands of species animals that are now extinct, wouldn't be.
I'll back that up. I've been part of a few "let's dump Microsoft" projects, and they all ultimately failed, because the driver behind them wasn't let's use the best product, it was an ideology that MS sucks so let's use something else instead regardless. That is a poor requirement for any solution.
I've made the argument a number of times with the higher ups that by eliminating the Microsoft licensing tax we could higher more people with expertise in Mac/Linux and eliminate MS entirely. They don't listen because "change" is a bad word in the enterprise. My entire business unit could go MS free tomorrow if they would let us get rid of Skype for Business.
Even our executives hate MS yet they keep going back like trained dogs.
I've been through this exercise a few times at the Enterprise level (> 2000 users, my latest project is a 30k user footprint) and we choose MS because it works better for specific use cases (Mainly AD, user devices/group policy/sccm and Email). We have a much larger Linux server fleet for our app servers, so it's not like we don't get Linux, it's just Linux doesn't have the same offering in the backoffice/user management space. We chose Jabber over Skype, so we're also not tied to MS either.
I know this is Slashdot and you have to hate MS to earn membership, but MS is actually better at some things.
I've seen this: some high-powered MS rep chats up a boss, and *presto*:
MS is great
We've got to migrate
No you haven't. This is pure fiction out of some cartoon show that you believe is how these things are done.
These things are far more complicated than that, and without even knowing anything about it, I can guess that the never ending complaints about why a user can't use app x or app y because we have some crackpot shit system that the geeks wanted is the primary driver behind the shift.
You love Linux and open source, we get that, but there are actual real advantages to using the same platform as everyone else.
If web based services are what most office staff and bureaucrats use all day long, then you only need a browser. And Linux runs a browser just as well as Windows. And ChromeOS, if you can call it Linux, runs a browser way better than a desktop. (but that's about all it does)
We ran a Chrome project as a desktop replacement experiment. It's still going after a couple of years, failing mainly due to device issues (printing scanning type things) , and legacy app issues. Because although most of the world is going web, it only takes one non-web app to kill any Chrome strategy.
Anal ventriloquism; impressive. I've switched over hundreds of my clients [who are casual users] from Winblows to Mint over the past six years or so and the less technically adept they are, the more likely they are to benefit.
How, by being tied to you for paid support?
I've run Linux farms, and won't go anywhere else for most application servers, because they can configured perfectly for the task at hand. But user machines need to be prioritised to UI, device compatibility, and familiarity and Linux is horrible by comparison.
I don't expect much agreement in here, but I've worked in several places that allow techy staff (non-MS techies) their own machines (laptop/desktop), and most of them choose Mac or Windows. I know of precisely zero non-techy staff that have even heard of Linux.
There is a reason that the Linux desktop has failed outside a few fringe experiments (like Munich) because it simply doesn't stack up.
Because unemployment rates are really low right now.
Only if you leave out all the people who have given up searching for work. The actual labor participation rate is still much lower than it was at the end of the Clinton administration. It fell a bit under Bush, and even more under Obama.
Yes, yes we've heard this fluff before. Post your methodology for determining 'real' unemployment and then we'll compare yours with the BLS.
I haven't seen anyone come up with a good reason people wouldn't use basic income to work less and be lazy. I can tell you, if I had guaranteed income for life, I would probably not ever work again.
The goal of this program is not to make you personally less lazy, so I'm unsure of the value of your contribution to the discussion.
But since I started, I'll assume you are questioning the rationale behind basic income which has already been discussed in here lots of times. Since you are lazy I'll help you out... http://bfy.tw/A2eo
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Have you ever heard the term "RINO?" As in "Republican In Name Only?" Neocon McCain is the chief RINO,
Of course because the only true Scotsmen do whatever it is you think of that particular day. We know how people like you think.
This article makes no sense at all...
"based on a survey of 7,800 companies worldwide."
I'm not how these surveys work or what type of people respond to them. If you as admin received a request from someone you have no professional relationship with to tell your most blacklisted apps, how would you respond? Anyone with a reputation wouldn't as this could be an attack vector in itself. And who manually blacklists apps anyway? Any security blacklist is usually predefined by the software you use to blacklist by category or classification. There aren't millions of security people out there all creating their own custom hand written lists, it doesn't work because the vendor releases v2 and your blacklist is useless. The whole article just screams fake news...
Awesome man, seriously fucking awesome.
There is talk among Washington reporters that they actually wonder if Trump is in possession of his faculties.
Of course he is, his Doctor said he is the healthiest individual ever elected President. Because that sounds like the words a professional doctor would use...
The Russians are a very paranoid people, who think the whole world is out to "get them".
That's an odd thing to say. Do you know many Russians? I know one or two, nether of which are any more/less paranoid than you average muslim/atheist/gay fearing American.
Treating them with some respect may go a long way. This is not a zero-sum relationship.
Like murderers right? Putting them in jail hasn't stopped murders, so we should let them all go. Maybe that could work?
This is the level of intellect we are dealing with with Trump supporters...
Riiight. The guy hasn't even been in office 90 days and the left...
Left? I'm pretty sure John McCain isn't left...
Yea, sure. The same polls that showed Hillary would win in a landslide.
No, they are in fact different polls. That's not to say they are any more accurate, but they aren't the same polls.
If you need more examples, I have switched dozens of people from Windows to Linux. MOstly grandma types who are tired of the problems they have with Windows. And some folks who are more adroit, but likewise tired of the hassle.
And if you can't appreciate that the use cases for computer users worldwide is more than a dozen grandmas you've met, then I can't help you. Cognitive dissonance and all that...
How so? I have a card and I have my iPhone. I can use either.
Apple issues you cards? Or you have to get that from the bank? If the bank does cards and phone apps, what value is Apple adding?
As for security.. someone can steal my card and I have to deal with everything that goes along with that.
True, so if you are that paranoid leave it at home in the safe and use your banking app (which works on phones from more than one vendor)
Someone could even still clone the mag stripe or write down the number and CVV code from the back.
How? The current system involves you tapping the card yourself, it never leaves your possession, how does anyone ever get to see the stripe or the CVV? And since all our card are smart cards, stripe cloning is useless on it's own.
My phone gives out none of that. Sadly we are not in a world where I can leave my (ridiculously insecure) credit cards at home. But I hope we get there soon.
We can in Australia, because our banks have had contactless payment apps for years. This is why Apple will not takeover here, because nothing they offer is new in this market
The only reason the fingerprint would be extra labour is if the phone (either software or hardware) is badly designed.
My daughter has an iPhone. The fingerprint reader works most of the time first go, but not always. To me that is less good design than not needing a fingerprint in the first place.
That is almost always the case. What is generally true, however, is that they find a way to do it *better*.
Maybe, but I'm still waiting to see what is better with Apple Pay than my bank's apps which do exactly the same thing, but on multiple types of devices.
That said.. Apple pay is just another level of security. Contactless cards can be used by anyone who has the card (up to a per-transaction limit of $100 at most places, if I'm not mistaken).
My bank had an NFC phone app before Apple Pay was released, so if you need that level of security it is already there. Also the bank covers the loss of contactless transaction, so even if someone takes your card you're covered. Also you have the choice of the free card, or the app, or both. Apple offers no such choice.
With Apple pay I still need to use my fingerprint to authorize which is nice.
From a Ux perspective it's an extra step which is considered worse.
I also find it easier than rifling through my wallet to find the card I want whereas I always have my phone closer to hand than my wallet and I can very easily choose the proper card right on the phone.
Most people here have their daily transaction card in their phone cover so same process, minus the fingerprint step which is more labour for no real benefit. I keep my wallet in my front pocket, with phone in the other. Contactless goes through leather so it's exactly the same effort to swipe (actually easier when you don't have to scan your fingerprint)
t I'm pretty sure that with Apple Pay the actual card number is replaced with a device-unique token so that the merchant never sees or transmits your actual card number. I don't think that's the case with contactless cards (but I'm not certain about that last bit).
Tokens are standard in the payments world. The card readers in the store are owned by the bank (or their agents) and do the same thing. The merchant never sees the number.
I've had some experience in the payments world (not a lot), and nothing Apple is doing is new (unless you live somewhere with 1980's banking tech).
Microsoft shills have become the next generation of denialists. They experience cognitive dissonance when faced with the truth.
Oh this is going to be fun... My wife has less ...
So your experience is based one individual use case? Cognitive dissonance is indeed a powerful force...
The office worker normally does a few things and needs to do them well Spread Sheets Technical Proposals Power Point type slides Emails
The top three are from LibreOffice.
To a point, the problem you run into is if you are a decent sized org, you will also have ERP integration, which generally works with Excel out of the box.
You also get compatibility issues if you share docs across organisations. It might work most of the time, but the few times it fucks up you will under the spotlight as to why you chose this shit software.
Windows/Office works with more things more often, which is why most businesses go down that path.
The city government must realize that its not just W10, but anti-virus, and a whole workforce to support W10. In my view, a much larger workforce than is needed for Linux support.
You're talking TCO, which numerous studies have demonstrated the results.
There is a reason that 90%+ of desktops are Windows, and it's not all to do with golf course deals.
Eliminating left turns only makes sense in countries where you drive on the right, right?
UPS is a global company, So I'm assuming they know this won't work out so well in those places that drive on the left.
.
We saw this already in the US when Apple Pay was first launched.
Nope, the Australian banking industry is vastly different.
It looks like a last ditch effort by that Aussie banking cartel to prevent Apple from giving the consumer a fast, safe & convenient customer experience WITHOUT handing over personal data for tracking purposes.
Cartel? Really? The banks here had contactless payments for years before Apple. It's already fast, and safe, and convenient, and free, (no $1000 phone required). What value are Apple adding by playing me too? Remember Australia is not like the US, our banks are robust, well regulated and tech savvy already. Our banking tech is generations ahead of the US.
Not only did customers switch banks for Apple Pay they also stopped shopping at retailers who boycotted it.
Because the US banking system is stuck in the 80's. That doesn't apply here. My banks all are more advanced than Apple in this space, why would I as a customer choose Apple over my existing bank?
It took a year before those who opposed it crumbled. I predict the same in Australia.
Because like most Americans you are unaware that things work differently in other places.
The consumer has all the real power here and voting with your wallet is still very effective.
This isn't about Apple. This is about data collection on consumers. I only wish Apple would use their cash war chest to lobby more to get the necessary legislation to protect public privacy.
What? You're talking out of your hat. Card privacy is already strictly regulated here, Apple are bringing nothing new, merely trying to get in on the action.
Agreed. Apple pay is ridiculously easy and convenient. Works every time and it couldn't be easier. What's more nobody can surf over my shoulder for my pin and the retailer never sees my cc number or even my name.
The retailers have shown time and time again that they are incapable (or unwilling) to secure CC data. Why give them yet another opportunity to cock things up?
Ok I'm gathering from comments here that the banks in the US don't have a similar contactless payments system already?
Here in Australia our banks had contactless, swipe and go cards for years before Apple. So when Apple released Apple Pay it was like WTF, we've had this for years.
So it's not that Apple pay is good, it's that your banks are shit and are stuck in the 80's?
Even though I'm giving up on the Apple Watch and computers I do find the Apple Pay to be pretty convenient.
When you say 'Apple Pay' do you really mean contactless payments? Because we've had contactless payments for years before Apple Pay played 'me too' with the same tech. There is simply no reason to use the Apple version of contactless payments when all the others do a better job, already exist, and don't rely on the Apple ecosystem to function.
OK, so this is a '. . . sky is falling' scenario, but EVERY precaution needs to be considered - and planned for - when introducing a process that is deliberately designed for total species-line extermination
Well it's good we have Slashdot, otherwise no-one else would have thought about this.
How you think these things work?
Why would they wipe out mosquitos instead of wiping out the true culprit: the malaria protozoa itself?
Because mosquitos are easier to wipe out than a protozoa?
Because mosquitos are fucking annoying to billions of people so it's a double win.
...and possibly new species as natural selection tries to find a way. Most likely into a species that can change it's sex after adulthood or possess both sets of reproductive organs.
No, the most likely outcome is that the mice will die out.
Nature finding a way is from a movie, it is not how nature actually works. Otherwise the thousands of species animals that are now extinct, wouldn't be.
I'll back that up. I've been part of a few "let's dump Microsoft" projects, and they all ultimately failed, because the driver behind them wasn't let's use the best product, it was an ideology that MS sucks so let's use something else instead regardless. That is a poor requirement for any solution.
I've made the argument a number of times with the higher ups that by eliminating the Microsoft licensing tax we could higher more people with expertise in Mac/Linux and eliminate MS entirely. They don't listen because "change" is a bad word in the enterprise. My entire business unit could go MS free tomorrow if they would let us get rid of Skype for Business.
Even our executives hate MS yet they keep going back like trained dogs.
I've been through this exercise a few times at the Enterprise level (> 2000 users, my latest project is a 30k user footprint) and we choose MS because it works better for specific use cases (Mainly AD, user devices/group policy/sccm and Email). We have a much larger Linux server fleet for our app servers, so it's not like we don't get Linux, it's just Linux doesn't have the same offering in the backoffice/user management space.
We chose Jabber over Skype, so we're also not tied to MS either.
I know this is Slashdot and you have to hate MS to earn membership, but MS is actually better at some things.
I've seen this: some high-powered MS rep chats up a boss, and *presto*:
MS is great We've got to migrate
No you haven't. This is pure fiction out of some cartoon show that you believe is how these things are done.
These things are far more complicated than that, and without even knowing anything about it, I can guess that the never ending complaints about why a user can't use app x or app y because we have some crackpot shit system that the geeks wanted is the primary driver behind the shift.
You love Linux and open source, we get that, but there are actual real advantages to using the same platform as everyone else.
If web based services are what most office staff and bureaucrats use all day long, then you only need a browser. And Linux runs a browser just as well as Windows. And ChromeOS, if you can call it Linux, runs a browser way better than a desktop. (but that's about all it does)
We ran a Chrome project as a desktop replacement experiment. It's still going after a couple of years, failing mainly due to device issues (printing scanning type things) , and legacy app issues. Because although most of the world is going web, it only takes one non-web app to kill any Chrome strategy.
Anal ventriloquism; impressive. I've switched over hundreds of my clients [who are casual users] from Winblows to Mint over the past six years or so and the less technically adept they are, the more likely they are to benefit.
How, by being tied to you for paid support?
I've run Linux farms, and won't go anywhere else for most application servers, because they can configured perfectly for the task at hand. But user machines need to be prioritised to UI, device compatibility, and familiarity and Linux is horrible by comparison.
I don't expect much agreement in here, but I've worked in several places that allow techy staff (non-MS techies) their own machines (laptop/desktop), and most of them choose Mac or Windows. I know of precisely zero non-techy staff that have even heard of Linux.
There is a reason that the Linux desktop has failed outside a few fringe experiments (like Munich) because it simply doesn't stack up.
Only if you leave out all the people who have given up searching for work. The actual labor participation rate is still much lower than it was at the end of the Clinton administration. It fell a bit under Bush, and even more under Obama.
Yes, yes we've heard this fluff before. Post your methodology for determining 'real' unemployment and then we'll compare yours with the BLS.
I haven't seen anyone come up with a good reason people wouldn't use basic income to work less and be lazy. I can tell you, if I had guaranteed income for life, I would probably not ever work again.
The goal of this program is not to make you personally less lazy, so I'm unsure of the value of your contribution to the discussion.
But since I started, I'll assume you are questioning the rationale behind basic income which has already been discussed in here lots of times. Since you are lazy I'll help you out...
http://bfy.tw/A2eo