And no, art does not have to be 'pretty'. In fact, most of the stuff that endures is beautiful, not pretty. There's a distinction, you know.
No - I don't know. Or rather "so you say". Beautiful, pretty, elegant, stunning... start defining them, try locking them in a box and you start having problems. They are not tightly defined quantifiable essences.
For something to be "art" it must be able to be appreciated... it mustbe pretty to somone in some way
"Pretty" != "meaningless fluff" but is simply a statement of appreciation. I'm pretty, that code's pretty neat this picture is pretty that workbench is your pretty... perhaps I go to far.
Art is about
emotional, spiritual communication between an
artist, his culture, work of art, and public.
you almost defined "pretty" there (in a pretentious "arty" way) - but that last cavet... I guess there are no public art collections them. Stopping it being public removes the "art" from the work eh
>some random images are no more art than some
>randomly placed things on my workbench.
sounds like an idea for my next installation. I'm not sure why you don't think that is "art"
Of course I *know* you guys use the imperial system for measurement. I'm used to hearing about miles and inches etc - but when it comes to 1/1000 of an inch... well to me it sounds about the same as a peck or a cubit.
the irony is using ancient and inconvenient measurements with modern technology such as this
my (unpreviewed mungled) point was that this is pretty standard stuff and hardley news. Whether you use the technology on my $1k pooch or a $10k alpaca (which sounds way to high but anyway) the technology is trivial.
I can put a chip in my dog to ID it in case it strays or is stolen. Why is it news that someone is doing this alpaca's?
It's bad enough that it's a slow day on BBC - but this stuff shouldn't raise a blip here.
BTW - tagging 900 in five years? that doesn't sound very much. I mean, 3 alpaca's a week is hardly difficult. If there are 5000 alpas's in NZ (a href="http://www.lifestyleblock.co.nz/articles/753 _Alpaca_farming.htm">soucrce
then I expect there are a tad more in south america.
This is a nice thread - it's why i get slightly uncomfortable reading all the "stupid user" pages.
If we treat our users as lusers we may sometimes find that we are them when making a call to our "service" provider.
Most religions (not just that of the eight Crusade's) have golden-rule sayings such as "treat others as you'd like to be treated yourself" - it's good advice, you reap what you sow
maybe your work culture is different to mine - I think I only know two IT people that have been in the same job for 10 years... and we suspect theyr'e a bit lazy to advance their career. From what I've seen it's the indentured slaves ^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h umm loyal unskilled workers that stay in jobs for life
well this person has.
I am VERY used to living with high-speed internet at work - sure it's not at home but my home activity is mostly work related anyway.
BUT - my current decision is to use a cut rate Dial-up ISP and spend the DSL money on subsriber TV (satillite - we don't have cable in this area... or in NZ at all I think)
Basically - if I want to d/l anything sizable I do it at work. Value for money, DSL isn't worth it for my home activities of web, mail ssh to work or even VNC into a server or two at work. sure it's faster - but it is WAY to much $$ for that small convieience.
In New Zealand (and possibly other nations) we have a single party consent law which basically means any party may record a telephone conversation - without necessarily notifying the other party. This has many weird and wonderful implications - but at least the kind of nuttiness mentioned here wouldn't result. NB and BTW - IANAL
I guess the US, being the only super-power (and colonizer), has so much money left over after ensuring it's people have the best healthcare, lowest crime and best education that protecting it's citizens via these weapons makes sense.
gotcha - I didn't look at the research groups (never have actually - looks like good stuff there) The anti-spam research group should have more promanence on pobox's site
This type of approach doesn't sound totally rubbish - but I'd be happier if ISP's would ALL impliment anti-spoofing filters on their routers as in RFC2827.
Cheat? or efficiently use resources? Is sharing & borrowing/reusing code cheating?
I teach a few papers in the Data Comms & networking area. When I have to prepare a new lecture one of the first things I do is to search for other lecturers material. I then look at it and think - "yeah that's a cool way of presenting the topic" or do a quick reject. I don't take anyone's work outright and present it as mine, I always try to reference - but I have no pangs of guilt that I'm cheating.
I think I've only once used someone elses material in toto - and I got their permission for that.
Now - If I was presenting someone else work as my own - or if I didn't understand the stuff I was teaching, now THAT is cheating.
And failing to reference who's neat stuff you're using - THAT is plagiarizing.
But including other peoples material is just plain sensible.
now... time to do a google search of "ATM filtype:PPT"
The CCNA course will teach you some general networking topics, but much of it is Cisco specific (down to knowing specific commands for different router/switch platforms.)
Sure the CCNA course has lots of cisco specific syntax - but you can't know the syntax without learning the theory - which by the very nature of TCP/IP must be universal. VLSM and subnet masking is the same in Cisco land, *nix or M$.
Same goes with RIP & OSPF - true tho - there is a bit of cisco proprietry routing such as IGRP & EIGRP, but the emphasis is more on RIP and OSPF.
when learning networking I believe its useful to actually impliment the theory. Choosing to do so on Cisco routers, or Linux or Windows is irrlevent. I'd suggest that once you've done the CCNA course then you should hunt down some other routers and switch gear and try to impliment using different syntax. Linux is a good choice for the routing stuff (for RIP anyway - not sure about OSPF).
cavet - I teach in the Cisco Network Academy CCNA programme
Bullshit. Don't take advice from someone who talks about "folks that actually grep their profession"--whatever the hell that is even supposed to mean.
probably meant "grok" - but doesn't grok the meaning
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OK - avian carriers sounds good in theory, and has been implimented. But consider the implications of being spammed using this protocol! Sure its difficult, but if someone does it {shudder}
>It's important to recognize that the college in question is a community college. >In many respects community colleges are largely paperless anyway; for example, many (most?) >don't have their own libraries. > >
There's no danger of research universities going paperless.
Sounds like academic snobbery - I don't know what it's like in the states - but the idea of even a high-school not having a library sounds unlikely.
watch out - one day you may need to leave the ivory tower and compete with those plebs from the community college.
One of the programmes I teach at a polytechnic is the Cisco Network Academy Programme which aims to train novice students to the level of CCNA with lots of hands on router experience (rather than exam-cram)
All of the written material is available online for free (to enrolled paid up students - ie no extra cost) - a book is available - but its not cheap or required.
I find that about 2/3 of the students elect to purchase the book even though it has nothing more than the online material - indeed - the graphics aren't even animated (although there is a CD with simulators and movies).
As one student told me - the book seldom has a glare problem, never flickers, and you can read it in the bath.
It is good to have the material on-line - but there is still a place for "ink-on-pulped-wood" as a transport media. Just because you can do it solely on-line doesn't mean that you should
have you people got any actual references or reviews?
My experience is that edirectory is the best LDAP thing out there - but I'd be interested in some reviews or comparisons that are a little more than "its great/its shit"
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No - I don't know. Or rather "so you say". Beautiful, pretty, elegant, stunning ... start defining them, try locking them in a box and you start having problems. They are not tightly defined quantifiable essences.
For something to be "art" it must be able to be appreciated ... it mustbe pretty to somone in some way
"Pretty" != "meaningless fluff" but is simply a statement of appreciation. I'm pretty, that code's pretty neat this picture is pretty that workbench is your pretty ... perhaps I go to far.
Yes it is
Art is about emotional, spiritual communication between an artist, his culture, work of art, and public.
you almost defined "pretty" there (in a pretentious "arty" way) - but that last cavet ... I guess there are no public art collections them. Stopping it being public removes the "art" from the work eh
>some random images are no more art than some >randomly placed things on my workbench.
sounds like an idea for my next installation. I'm not sure why you don't think that is "art"
the irony is using ancient and inconvenient measurements with modern technology such as this
The only word I can think of is "quaint"
If only you'd use the metric system like congress insisted back in 1886 things really would be easier for you.
my (unpreviewed mungled) point was that this is pretty standard stuff and hardley news. Whether you use the technology on my $1k pooch or a $10k alpaca (which sounds way to high but anyway) the technology is trivial.
I can put a chip in my dog to ID it in case it strays or is stolen. Why is it news that someone is doing this alpaca's? It's bad enough that it's a slow day on BBC - but this stuff shouldn't raise a blip here. BTW - tagging 900 in five years? that doesn't sound very much. I mean, 3 alpaca's a week is hardly difficult. If there are 5000 alpas's in NZ (a href="http://www.lifestyleblock.co.nz/articles/753 _Alpaca_farming.htm">soucrce
then I expect there are a tad more in south america.
If we treat our users as lusers we may sometimes find that we are them when making a call to our "service" provider.
Most religions (not just that of the eight Crusade's) have golden-rule sayings such as "treat others as you'd like to be treated yourself" - it's good advice, you reap what you sow
maybe your work culture is different to mine - I think I only know two IT people that have been in the same job for 10 years ... and we suspect theyr'e a bit lazy to advance their career. From what I've seen it's the indentured slaves ^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h umm loyal unskilled workers that stay in jobs for life
well this person has. I am VERY used to living with high-speed internet at work - sure it's not at home but my home activity is mostly work related anyway. BUT - my current decision is to use a cut rate Dial-up ISP and spend the DSL money on subsriber TV (satillite - we don't have cable in this area ... or in NZ at all I think)
Basically - if I want to d/l anything sizable I do it at work. Value for money, DSL isn't worth it for my home activities of web, mail ssh to work or even VNC into a server or two at work. sure it's faster - but it is WAY to much $$ for that small convieience.
In New Zealand (and possibly other nations) we have a single party consent law which basically means any party may record a telephone conversation - without necessarily notifying the other party. This has many weird and wonderful implications - but at least the kind of nuttiness mentioned here wouldn't result. NB and BTW - IANAL
Now you have proven beyond all doubt that you are an idiot - I mean ... willingly engaging in that? oooooo yucky
huh??
yup, was sarcasm, only 1/2 a step up from irony, the lowest form of humour :-)
But you forgot the patent ... btw - can you do all that with a single click?
( ok they aren't colonies they are client-states)
gotcha - I didn't look at the research groups (never have actually - looks like good stuff there) The anti-spam research group should have more promanence on pobox's site
This type of approach doesn't sound totally rubbish - but I'd be happier if ISP's would ALL impliment anti-spoofing filters on their routers as in RFC2827.
Cheat? or efficiently use resources? Is sharing & borrowing/reusing code cheating?
... time to do a google search of "ATM filtype:PPT"
I teach a few papers in the Data Comms & networking area. When I have to prepare a new lecture one of the first things I do is to search for other lecturers material. I then look at it and think - "yeah that's a cool way of presenting the topic" or do a quick reject. I don't take anyone's work outright and present it as mine, I always try to reference - but I have no pangs of guilt that I'm cheating.
I think I've only once used someone elses material in toto - and I got their permission for that.
Now - If I was presenting someone else work as my own - or if I didn't understand the stuff I was teaching, now THAT is cheating.
And failing to reference who's neat stuff you're using - THAT is plagiarizing.
But including other peoples material is just plain sensible.
now
there's a locator for CNAP courses here
Sure the CCNA course has lots of cisco specific syntax - but you can't know the syntax without learning the theory - which by the very nature of TCP/IP must be universal. VLSM and subnet masking is the same in Cisco land, *nix or M$.
Same goes with RIP & OSPF - true tho - there is a bit of cisco proprietry routing such as IGRP & EIGRP, but the emphasis is more on RIP and OSPF.
when learning networking I believe its useful to actually impliment the theory. Choosing to do so on Cisco routers, or Linux or Windows is irrlevent. I'd suggest that once you've done the CCNA course then you should hunt down some other routers and switch gear and try to impliment using different syntax. Linux is a good choice for the routing stuff (for RIP anyway - not sure about OSPF).
cavet - I teach in the Cisco Network Academy CCNA programme
probably meant "grok" - but doesn't grok the meaning
OK - avian carriers sounds good in theory, and has been implimented. But consider the implications of being spammed using this protocol! Sure its difficult, but if someone does it {shudder}
>In many respects community colleges are largely paperless anyway; for example, many (most?)
>don't have their own libraries.
>
> There's no danger of research universities going paperless.
Sounds like academic snobbery - I don't know what it's like in the states - but the idea of even a high-school not having a library sounds unlikely.
watch out - one day you may need to leave the ivory tower and compete with those plebs from the community college.
I find that about 2/3 of the students elect to purchase the book even though it has nothing more than the online material - indeed - the graphics aren't even animated (although there is a CD with simulators and movies).
As one student told me - the book seldom has a glare problem, never flickers, and you can read it in the bath.
It is good to have the material on-line - but there is still a place for "ink-on-pulped-wood" as a transport media. Just because you can do it solely on-line doesn't mean that you should
tis no / tis so
have you people got any actual references or reviews?
My experience is that edirectory is the best LDAP thing out there - but I'd be interested in some reviews or comparisons that are a little more than "its great/its shit"
Dave