Before I decend into rant mode, I'd like to say thank you to Loki.
Some people are saying that that an installer without interaction with all the assorted package managers is pretty silly. I think is is quite smart.
What tools do you put on your system when you do a robust (I'm avoiding saying full because a full Debian would be insane.) install? Just about everything smaller than a bread box and lots of larger things to. Would you use this type of installer to install GNU-Utils? Net-tools? No you wouldn't. That stuff is already there cataloged in the existing database. The type of program somthing like this would install would be external to the core operating system. So I say install it in/opt/package.
"But this breaks the whole UNIX philiosphy.", you say. I agree, I have used the method of sorting config files, binary's, system binary's, home directories and so on to my atvantage many times. "So why do it?", you say? In a three byte extention.dll
How many times do you thing M$ has been blamed for dead or broken OS's that weren't their own doing? Probably more than you or I think. Can you picture a user who dosn't know the system that well, installing a new commercial software package every week. How long is before one of those dumb companies overwrites svgalib?, gtk+?, a kernel module? Yes this problem is part solved on Debian (kudos to the developers) but what is really needed is a standard(all distro's) compare and autoupdate system that will fix any damage a program could do to core libraies.
A broken system should be able detrmine it's broken, to get on the net (yes the net not a cd), and ask how to fix it's self, double check with the user(a "yes" should do it.), download the fix, and commit it. Silly? Crazy? I don't think we can advocate letting just anyone write a.rpm or.deb without it. Let the programs install everything they need in/opt and the/home/user/.program directories.
Yes, I'm aware the GPL would force companies to allow fixes to made to said broken libs under the GPL. That dosn't mean people will know how to install them.
The bottom line is very soon Unix(Linux) will be everywhere and people will think Linux is broken if closed source commercial programs are allowed to romp around the system and change things. If you were one those tens of millions of new users, and you thought Linux is broken because of such things, you would be right.
Here's to two systems, a package manager for the core and system wide apps, and one for commercial closed source apps in the/opt directory sorted by subdirectory package name. A user who is a member of an opt group, should be able to to do the install.
First off for those of you who don't see this as a threat, Think of it this way...
The penguin (funny example right?) has evil plans for Batman. He steals lots of money in his latest scam and buys the mountain the Batcave is hidden in. He takes over the Batcave and uses all it's gadgets for evil.
Come on People this is stuff movies are made of! They make movies about this kind of thing because the right and wrong are clear. Kinda like the social Lowest Common Denominator.
ATTN: Bob Young
Enough analogy, this is a GREAT PR opportunity for Redhat. I say Redhat should offer to match M$'s "donation" dollar for dollar. With just one minor string attached. All software created under the funded GNU program should be GPLed and all patents should be made to the public domain. This would be excelent for Linux, Red Hat, GNU, MIT students and staff and the best part is...
It would turn this M$ PR stunt in to a PR disaster!!!;)
I've got to go diagnose an XFREE86 problem for a newbie now, but please if you work for Redhat foward this to the man. Before they come after my university.
Being a bit of a lurker on that list myself I believe Alexander Juliard, the WINE god, (I hope I spelled that right) used words to decribe their contributions such as outstanding and very signifigant.
In todays news America Online Inc. announced they will be pressing suit against the United States of America. "The federal government knows that when people hear the word "America", they are really thinking of America's largest Internet Service Provider.", a company spokesman said. "We only ask that they never use "America" when they refer to anything having to do with technology or the internet. The use of "America" is easily confused with our operation and it makes us look bad when they say dumb things."
Negotions broke down yesterday after a 24 hour run. AOL said they will be file an injunction tommorow unless the Justice Department yeilds to their demands. "If Columbus was still alive he would be entitled to the IP, but he's not."
AOL(NYSE) was trading at 111 1/2 up 20 3/32 points in heavy trading following the anouncement.
We seem to have a congress with two bridges to burn... How to tax the internet, and how secure can we allow the Internet to be. The real question for congress (if the realize it or not) is not how to tax the internet, but how to justify taxing the internet. Perhaps a combo bill would be powerful enough to ram right through lobby roadblocks.
Some key points of such a bill.
* No review or restriction of any crypto (up to X number of bits encryption.) Complete restriction after X.
* Online transactions (when the consumer is physically located in the US) must be made by credit or debit card. Credit card/Debit card companies/banks will be responsible for extracting N% federal sales tax.
Now congress can justify why American citizens should pay an internet tax. N-Y% (Y will likely go to kissing somones butt to make this thing pass.) of the internet tax can be spent on propping up agencies like the NSA an FBI so they can effectively brute force X level encription upon court order.
This should work if you choose the correct numbers for N, X and Y.
Whatever you push to the congress critters, remember keep it fair and simple.
Do we get to throw a shipment of PC's into Boston harbor now?? Fun. Fun.
People would just use things like instant messaging or some mutant of traditional email just outside of the legal defination of email. Mutilated or faked headers? Java based portals with certificate uploads on every site? More jobs for net admins?! More Fun!;)
Where would we be if Al Gore had not invented the internet? What else could chalange us like this?
Usually a search on freshmeat is the first thing I recommend a newbie in our LUG to do, if he/she is looking for a specific program or type of program. Many of them use it succesfully.
It's usually in the top 3 linked sites, along with Slashdot and LDP.
I too used freshmeat when I was new to Linux and Unix in general.
What country is friendliest to someone with the perspective modern scientist/geek? I have about had it with this censorship driven, encryption restricting, scam supporing, lobbiest centric, let's buy winmodems by the millions because I don't have a clue fest.
A minimum of loopholes created by ancient legal spaghetti would be preferable.
Maybe if everyone with an IQ over 100 and a moral center bigger than a peanut, moves out to this imaginary-land the crew in Washington (who will still be there) will get it.
Or did I somhow miss the point of the American Dream?
Well anyway the question was where can I move, or at least where could I base a business?
Obviously this subcommittee dosen't realize what this really is yet.
How long before the NSA fires back? I love to see an all out war between the NSA and a powerful(supposedly) elected body. How quickly do you think congress could pass a bill outdating the NSA's usefullness? How many house members would be found floating in a river?
Enough silly rant...This is the meat right here... (Sec. 3) Amends the Export Administration Act of 1979 to grant the Secretary of Commerce exclusive authority to control exports of all computer hardware, software, computing devices, customer premises equipment, communications network equipment, and technology for information security (including encryption), except that which is specifically designed or modified for military use.
Which is exactly what we need for usefull protection without stale laws. A human being in charge and acountable for regulation of encryption. Who not only has the power to regulate (upon a 50 day review period) but not to regulate at all.
This may be a rouse though, supposedly he is to compile data on impedements to law enforcment created by his policy. If the NSA could just buy him out...
How long until we can get a human being in a federal postition directly responsible for regulating cameras, I can think of a few I'd like an explanation for.
I expecting the MIB in front of house any second now.
I think some people don't realize what a "coup' de-ta" this article is. I have been reading US News and World report for 5 or 6 years, I have watched their political nutrality dwindle. They are a big business magazine, typically with republican style adds and endorsments. That all but spells out guess what other financial relationship... I have spotted as many at 10 full page Mircrosoft ads in a single 45 page magazine. The ice was broken a few months ago hey did a feature on Linus, Eric Raymond, and Redhat, but that was really the first mention of Linux ever.
The shocker was this line... "Security profesionals deride Microsoft operating systems, in particular, as porous and unreliable, often crashing and leaving themselves open to attack."
The staff at US News has got to think Microsoft is a dead duck in the evolving OS war to defect. They get BIG bucks from M$. Lots of CEO's read and base there market decisions on US News. This could be a very important gauge of things to come.
The way I read it (several years ago.)the hard drive heads float over the disk surface on a layer of air. That relationship of lift requires that the air be within a certain range of densities(or temperatures). That range of densities is less than allowable between a warm hd and a cold one. Therefore small amounts of air are allowed to pass through miniscule filtered holes to keep the internal air density within a range that is determined by the max and min altitude of the hard drive heads(which have small airplane wing like airfoils, hence "landing zone"). There are actually limitations on how high an altitude any given hard disk can operate at.
Hence submerging is probably a bad idea. (Unless it's a.mil? sealed hard drive designed specifily for underwater(underfluid) use.
I was also diagnosed with Attention Deficit Disorder, when I was screwing up in High School. I think the diagnosis was correct since my problems mostly came from being distracted by the other students games and general craziness going on around me.
Since then I've followed it a bit and I learned at least one positive and interesting thing. ADD kids often grow up to be excellent, sucessful business owners. That dosn't sound like a curse to me. Maybe it's not a disease but natural selection, a type of specialization.
It not what your delt but what you do with it.
I would definatly be curious to see if that part of the brain reacts differently in the bulk of ADD people.
The article was pretty good, but they shouldn't have lumped NT in the mission critical category.
Kinda funny that I ranted about intellectual property and copyright rights, and then I find this at the bottom of the page.
"Copyright (C) 1999
This VirtualBeacon(tm) is protected by copyright and is the sole property of The Standish Group International, Incorporated. It is intended solely for the private use of the subscribing company and may not under any circumstances be retransmitted in any form, repackaged in any way or resold through any media.
PLEASE RESPECT INTELLECTUAL RIGHTS!"
Or maybe it's not funny at all, just typical. Good thing they reposted it elsewhere.
If you try the link it doesn't work, but the rest of their site works fine. It almost seems like they took it down.
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This reminds me of a bit I talked about with my technical speech class. The internet can't ever be a total replacement for the printed word. Sites can take down pages when they feel it is time to rewrite history. I'm not saying that is what happened here, but I would be a little ticked if I used this article as a refrance in some kind of report to somebody important, and they in turn accused me of make up sources.
It just goes to show how imporant it is that all internet content must be public domain. It's the only way to keep people honest.
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Anyway, Some people seemed to really get a rise out of this article. I would like to read it. Anybody copy it into their home directory, and care to post it?
* One mouse for normal point and click stuff on the left hand for speed or right because it's easier.
* A pen pad for the right and a cheap monitor or status window for those who have yet to memorize the interface (to track position).
Inverse for lefties.
I think this seems like a great low impact alternitive to typing(smooth sweeping movements rather than short jerky ones.) But how fast can a skilled user manipulate it 20,30,40 wpm? Anyone have an idea?
He was better to ignore Linux. Mentioning it in that kind of context (Linux is only for the desktop apps) will only hurt Microsoft. Talking about it will only inspire people to check it out. With every day that passes, Linux and it's components become more robust and easy to use. I think a fair to large percentage that of the curious that try it, don't look back.
Are we in the "then they laugh at you" or the "then they attack you" stage now?
I hope we are in the "attack you" stage. We all know what comes after that.
"Senior vice president Jim Allchin will oversee both the business enterprise division and the consumer Windows division."
Seems to me they are trying to avoid the inevitable. If I were presiding over a breakup, the first thing I would seperate would be all apps (Office, Internet Explorer, IIS, Developers Studio, etc...) from the Operating system (file Explorer, Control Panel, all object handling stuff, drivers, basic networking code, etc...) Microsofts new companies should be forced to communicate only public api's and info. Any exclusive info shared between the baby Bill's should be treated as an attempt to usurp the judge's ruling.
What they are doing is moving ineffectual components under different names. New sub companies like MSN(failing miserably), Devlopers group(some tolken power lost to seperation there),and the games, input devices and reference products division(Extra junk compared to the rest, kinda like seperating the floor mopper department and calling it a major revamp), and what the heck is the business productivity group(are they assigned to personally kiss Bill's butt?)
I can't be sure, no one who does not work high up in Microsoft can, but this seems like another PR stunt. I'd also be interested to see what would happen if Bill was convicted of some kind of criminal charge and forced to sell some percentage of the stock that left him.... say under fourty percent. It would reveal a great deal about the compatance of current stockholders. (snicker);)
How dare Christian Schaller tell me what is right for me! If I want to use Netscape with what he considers to be a bad licence that's my business.
And I quote,
"I heard many people saying we should be grateful to these companies for allowing us to see the sourcecode and even fix their bugs. Many even said that it would be very unkind of us to try to make competing products to be released under true free software licenses, when these companies had been so gracious towards us."
How come I have never met anyone like this? I have not once heard anyone take such a pathetic groveling position. Why should I, who isn't as picky about my apps as my OS(no I don't use Mac OS), be grouped in with such a shortsighted person.
If the term "Open Source", comes to mean garbage then people won't use software that brandishes it. They will just ignore it.
Learn from Gorbechev's revolution, if he had said, "I am going to end communism in the USSR.", at the begining of his term he would have been dead by morning! This moderate approach is what ESR is good at. A little finesse, and moderation please.
In case you are wondering where I stand I insist on GPL and LGPL for libraries, for my kernel, shared libraries, common tools, and desktop. I do this to prevent companies from holding me hostage.
I can then in turn use common file types, network standards, and OS malibility to protect myself from unruly apps. I prefer more open licences for apps but if a closed app does a better job, so be it.
Don't try to group me in with a bunch of shortsighted morons who want to do someone else's work with no protection for their efforts, I don't believe in, or approve of your "My way or the high way" approach.
Let people know everyone has a choices. We have enough big brothers.
This is likely the worst news I have heard this year, maybe since I started using Linux a year and a half ago. Not being blind, I can see the damage that the unyielding bad attitude towards variation can do. I try my best to not tolerate intolerance at our LUG meetings and inspire conversation. People who believe that any philosophy other then their own is wrong will only bury us. "Us" being the people who want to share the knowledge that there are many better ways than the status quo, that anyone can choose.
Choose being the key word.
The friendly press are going react negatively, and the negative press are going to rip, Linux, GNU, and open source wide open with this. Many of those people who could benefit from Linux and open source stuff and are yet unaware of it's virtues could will be further alienated.
I hope it is not to late to keep Eric, but if it is to late, perhaps we could learn somthing from this.
That treating people's varying philosophies about things like "what open source is" like they are morally wrong, will only make the rift larger. Fight that kind of ignorance like you are fighting a bloody war, and only then do we stand a chance.
I am running an smp machine at home (dual). When I installed windows NT it was ready to go for smp(multi processor.)
Of course if I didn't run smp, I have to drag that code along anyway. Kinda like always always towing a boat trailer on your car just in case you decide to buy a boat. Easy yes. Effecient... well duh.
People don't have to recompile the kernel, it's their choice. Would you want to read a hour of instructions if you choose to make your car have more pulling capcity, or make it more fuel effcient, or make accelerate faster.
I thought so.
Not to mention an automated kernel config is close to 1.0. Now you can push a button on the dash to optimize. Try that in a pinto^H^H^H^H^H windows.
I think it would be good to have access to scoring logs and comments. This would discourage vengeful behavior and quests to devalue peoples opinions with no regard for objectivity.
For the immature and unadult, the only thing worse than people hanging on to their enemies(whether those enimies are personal or in philosophy of ideas) every word, is to be caught being unfair and unbalanced and to be removed from power for it.
The result would be that moderators who want to act unfairly, would likely not act at all.
Thank you Tim! I use a safe OS, everything else..
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I consider an operating system to be a kernel, vital and shared libraries, shared tools, and the desktop(so apps don't have to be rewritten).
I use an open source, forkable without consequence, Operating system so that I will not be held hostage by one company. I believe this raquet style customer hearding to be bad for me and every other person who uses it. As long as I can save to common file types and use my OS to force my apps to behave, then any licence for apps is acceptable.
Don't forget this is about freedom of choice for all not one religion.
"AP: AMD only chip making plant mysteriously exploded only two weeks before the release of the K-7. The only clue the FBI has found so far is a scrap of what is believed to be the leather briefcase the bomb was in, bradishing a shiny metalic sticker on it. FBI director Guy Smilely said at the scene, 'The burnt sticker is printed with an insignia, some kind of swirl and two uninteligable words. We ask that anyone information about this symbol come forward.' Baffled authorities are searching for any clues leading to the the swirl gang."
No I don't think the people at Intel are really terrorists. I'm just dissapointed that their number one competetor is so fragile. In fairness I have a dual PII and love it, but you won't catch me dead with a PIII.
95b just happly bops along ignoring half the power availible to it.
I have no idea about 98.
(rustle shuffle)...Damn can't find the motherboard manual, well I've had it for a year and a half now. The mother board is a 66mhz made by Tyan with an AMI bios. It's a dual PII 266.
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Some people are saying that that an installer without interaction with all the assorted package managers is pretty silly. I think is is quite smart.
What tools do you put on your system when you do a robust (I'm avoiding saying full because a full Debian would be insane.) install? Just about everything smaller than a bread box and lots of larger things to. Would you use this type of installer to install GNU-Utils? Net-tools? No you wouldn't. That stuff is already there cataloged in the existing database. The type of program somthing like this would install would be external to the core operating system. So I say install it in /opt/package.
"But this breaks the whole UNIX philiosphy.", you say. I agree, I have used the method of sorting config files, binary's, system binary's, home directories and so on to my atvantage many times. "So why do it?", you say? In a three byte extention .dll
How many times do you thing M$ has been blamed for dead or broken OS's that weren't their own doing? Probably more than you or I think. Can you picture a user who dosn't know the system that well, installing a new commercial software package every week. How long is before one of those dumb companies overwrites svgalib?, gtk+?, a kernel module? Yes this problem is part solved on Debian (kudos to the developers) but what is really needed is a standard(all distro's) compare and autoupdate system that will fix any damage a program could do to core libraies.
A broken system should be able detrmine it's broken, to get on the net (yes the net not a cd), and ask how to fix it's self, double check with the user(a "yes" should do it.), download the fix, and commit it. Silly? Crazy? I don't think we can advocate letting just anyone write a .rpm or .deb without it. Let the programs install everything they need in /opt and the /home/user/.program directories.
Yes, I'm aware the GPL would force companies to allow fixes to made to said broken libs under the GPL. That dosn't mean people will know how to install them.
The bottom line is very soon Unix(Linux) will be everywhere and people will think Linux is broken if closed source commercial programs are allowed to romp around the system and change things. If you were one those tens of millions of new users, and you thought Linux is broken because of such things, you would be right.
Here's to two systems, a package manager for the core and system wide apps, and one for commercial closed source apps in the /opt directory sorted by subdirectory package name. A user who is a member of an opt group, should be able to to do the install.
First off for those of you who don't see this as a threat, Think of it this way...
The penguin (funny example right?) has evil plans for Batman. He steals lots of money in his latest scam and buys the mountain the Batcave is hidden in. He takes over the Batcave and uses all it's gadgets for evil.
Come on People this is stuff movies are made of! They make movies about this kind of thing because the right and wrong are clear. Kinda like the social Lowest Common Denominator.
ATTN: Bob Young
Enough analogy, this is a GREAT PR opportunity for Redhat. I say Redhat should offer to match M$'s "donation" dollar for dollar. With just one minor string attached. All software created under the funded GNU program should be GPLed and all patents should be made to the public domain. This would be excelent for Linux, Red Hat, GNU, MIT students and staff and the best part is...
It would turn this M$ PR stunt in to a PR disaster!!! ;)
I've got to go diagnose an XFREE86 problem for a newbie now, but please if you work for Redhat foward this to the man. Before they come after my university.
Associated Press 9/24/99
In todays news America Online Inc. announced they will be pressing suit against the United States of America. "The federal government knows that when people hear the word "America", they are really thinking of America's largest Internet Service Provider.", a company spokesman said. "We only ask that they never use "America" when they refer to anything having to do with technology or the internet. The use of "America" is easily confused with our operation and it makes us look bad when they say dumb things."
Negotions broke down yesterday after a 24 hour run. AOL said they will be file an injunction tommorow unless the Justice Department yeilds to their demands. "If Columbus was still alive he would be entitled to the IP, but he's not."
AOL(NYSE) was trading at 111 1/2 up 20 3/32 points in heavy trading following the anouncement.
Warning !!! IANAL
We seem to have a congress with two bridges to burn... How to tax the internet, and how secure can we allow the Internet to be. The real question for congress (if the realize it or not) is not how to tax the internet, but how to justify taxing the internet. Perhaps a combo bill would be powerful enough to ram right through lobby roadblocks.
Some key points of such a bill.
* No review or restriction of any crypto (up to X number of bits encryption.) Complete restriction after X.
* Online transactions (when the consumer is physically located in the US) must be made by credit or debit card. Credit card/Debit card companies/banks will be responsible for extracting N% federal sales tax.
Now congress can justify why American citizens should pay an internet tax. N-Y% (Y will likely go to kissing somones butt to make this thing pass.) of the internet tax can be spent on propping up agencies like the NSA an FBI so they can effectively brute force X level encription upon court order.
This should work if you choose the correct numbers for N, X and Y.
Whatever you push to the congress critters, remember keep it fair and simple.
Do we get to throw a shipment of PC's into Boston harbor now?? Fun. Fun.
People would just use things like instant messaging or some mutant of traditional email just outside of the legal defination of email. Mutilated or faked headers? Java based portals with certificate uploads on every site? More jobs for net admins?! More Fun! ;)
Where would we be if Al Gore had not invented the internet? What else could chalange us like this?
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Usually a search on freshmeat is the first thing I recommend a newbie in our LUG to do, if he/she is looking for a specific program or type of program. Many of them use it succesfully.
It's usually in the top 3 linked sites, along with Slashdot and LDP.
I too used freshmeat when I was new to Linux and Unix in general.
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What country is friendliest to someone with the perspective modern scientist/geek? I have about had it with this censorship driven, encryption restricting, scam supporing, lobbiest centric, let's buy winmodems by the millions because I don't have a clue fest.
A minimum of loopholes created by ancient legal spaghetti would be preferable.
Maybe if everyone with an IQ over 100 and a moral center bigger than a peanut, moves out to this imaginary-land the crew in Washington (who will still be there) will get it.
Or did I somhow miss the point of the American Dream?
Well anyway the question was where can I move, or at least where could I base a business?
Obviously this subcommittee dosen't realize what this really is yet.
How long before the NSA fires back? I love to see an all out war between the NSA and a powerful(supposedly) elected body. How quickly do you think congress could pass a bill outdating the NSA's usefullness? How many house members would be found floating in a river?
Enough silly rant...This is the meat right here... (Sec. 3) Amends the Export Administration Act of 1979 to grant the Secretary of Commerce exclusive authority to control exports of all computer hardware, software, computing devices, customer premises equipment, communications network equipment, and technology for information security (including encryption), except that which is specifically designed or modified for military use.
Which is exactly what we need for usefull protection without stale laws. A human being in charge and acountable for regulation of encryption. Who not only has the power to regulate (upon a 50 day review period) but not to regulate at all.
This may be a rouse though, supposedly he is to compile data on impedements to law enforcment created by his policy. If the NSA could just buy him out...
To learn more about the Secretary of Commerce... Department of Commerce website
How long until we can get a human being in a federal postition directly responsible for regulating cameras, I can think of a few I'd like an explanation for.
I expecting the MIB in front of house any second now.
I think some people don't realize what a "coup' de-ta" this article is. I have been reading US News and World report for 5 or 6 years, I have watched their political nutrality dwindle. They are a big business magazine, typically with republican style adds and endorsments. That all but spells out guess what other financial relationship... I have spotted as many at 10 full page Mircrosoft ads in a single 45 page magazine. The ice was broken a few months ago hey did a feature on Linus, Eric Raymond, and Redhat, but that was really the first mention of Linux ever.
The shocker was this line... "Security profesionals deride Microsoft operating systems, in particular, as porous and unreliable, often crashing and leaving themselves open to attack."
The staff at US News has got to think Microsoft is a dead duck in the evolving OS war to defect. They get BIG bucks from M$. Lots of CEO's read and base there market decisions on US News. This could be a very important gauge of things to come.
The way I read it (several years ago.)the hard drive heads float over the disk surface on a layer of air. That relationship of lift requires that the air be within a certain range of densities(or temperatures). That range of densities is less than allowable between a warm hd and a cold one. Therefore small amounts of air are allowed to pass through miniscule filtered holes to keep the internal air density within a range that is determined by the max and min altitude of the hard drive heads(which have small airplane wing like airfoils, hence "landing zone"). There are actually limitations on how high an altitude any given hard disk can operate at.
Hence submerging is probably a bad idea. (Unless it's a .mil? sealed hard drive designed specifily for underwater(underfluid) use.
Matthew Newhall
Yes! I'm in heaven!
This is nice.
I was also diagnosed with Attention Deficit Disorder, when I was screwing up in High School. I think the diagnosis was correct since my problems mostly came from being distracted by the other students games and general craziness going on around me.
Since then I've followed it a bit and I learned at least one positive and interesting thing. ADD kids often grow up to be excellent, sucessful business owners. That dosn't sound like a curse to me. Maybe it's not a disease but natural selection, a type of specialization.
It not what your delt but what you do with it.
I would definatly be curious to see if that part of the brain reacts differently in the bulk of ADD people.
Matthew Newhall
Yes! I'm in heaven!
This is nice.
Thank you very much AC!
The article was pretty good, but they shouldn't have lumped NT in the mission critical category.
Kinda funny that I ranted about intellectual property and copyright rights, and then I find this at the bottom of the page.
"Copyright (C) 1999
This VirtualBeacon(tm) is protected by copyright and is the sole property of The Standish Group International, Incorporated. It is intended solely for the private use of the subscribing company and may not under any circumstances be retransmitted in any form, repackaged in any way or resold through any media.
PLEASE RESPECT INTELLECTUAL RIGHTS!"
Or maybe it's not funny at all, just typical. Good thing they reposted it elsewhere.
Matthew Newhall
Yes! I'm in heaven!
This is nice.
If you try the link it doesn't work, but the rest of their site works fine. It almost seems like they took it down.
This reminds me of a bit I talked about with my technical speech class. The internet can't ever be a total replacement for the printed word. Sites can take down pages when they feel it is time to rewrite history. I'm not saying that is what happened here, but I would be a little ticked if I used this article as a refrance in some kind of report to somebody important, and they in turn accused me of make up sources.
It just goes to show how imporant it is that all internet content must be public domain. It's the only way to keep people honest.
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Anyway, Some people seemed to really get a rise out of this article. I would like to read it. Anybody copy it into their home directory, and care to post it?
Thanks! ;)
Matthew Newhall
Yes! I'm in heaven!
This is nice.
For righties...
* One mouse for normal point and click stuff on the left hand for speed or right because it's easier.
* A pen pad for the right and a cheap monitor or status window for those who have yet to memorize the interface (to track position).
Inverse for lefties.
I think this seems like a great low impact alternitive to typing(smooth sweeping movements rather than short jerky ones.) But how fast can a skilled user manipulate it 20,30,40 wpm? Anyone have an idea?
Matthew Newhall
Yes! I'm in heaven!
This is nice.
He was better to ignore Linux. Mentioning it in that kind of context (Linux is only for the desktop apps) will only hurt Microsoft. Talking about it will only inspire people to check it out. With every day that passes, Linux and it's components become more robust and easy to use. I think a fair to large percentage that of the curious that try it, don't look back.
Are we in the "then they laugh at you" or the "then they attack you" stage now?
I hope we are in the "attack you" stage. We all know what comes after that.
Matthew Newhall
Yes! I'm in heaven!
This is nice.
"Senior vice president Jim Allchin will oversee both the business enterprise division and the consumer Windows division."
Seems to me they are trying to avoid the inevitable. If I were presiding over a breakup, the first thing I would seperate would be all apps (Office, Internet Explorer, IIS, Developers Studio, etc...) from the Operating system (file Explorer, Control Panel, all object handling stuff, drivers, basic networking code, etc...) Microsofts new companies should be forced to communicate only public api's and info. Any exclusive info shared between the baby Bill's should be treated as an attempt to usurp the judge's ruling.
What they are doing is moving ineffectual components under different names. New sub companies like MSN(failing miserably), Devlopers group(some tolken power lost to seperation there),and the games, input devices and reference products division(Extra junk compared to the rest, kinda like seperating the floor mopper department and calling it a major revamp), and what the heck is the business productivity group(are they assigned to personally kiss Bill's butt?)
I can't be sure, no one who does not work high up in Microsoft can, but this seems like another PR stunt. I'd also be interested to see what would happen if Bill was convicted of some kind of criminal charge and forced to sell some percentage of the stock that left him.... say under fourty percent. It would reveal a great deal about the compatance of current stockholders. (snicker) ;)
How dare Christian Schaller tell me what is right for me! If I want to use Netscape with what he considers to be a bad licence that's my business.
And I quote,
"I heard many people saying we should be grateful to these companies for allowing us to see the sourcecode and even fix their bugs. Many even said that it would be very unkind of us to try to make competing products to be released under true free software licenses, when these companies had been so gracious towards us."
How come I have never met anyone like this? I have not once heard anyone take such a pathetic groveling position. Why should I, who isn't as picky about my apps as my OS(no I don't use Mac OS), be grouped in with such a shortsighted person.
If the term "Open Source", comes to mean garbage then people won't use software that brandishes it. They will just ignore it.
Learn from Gorbechev's revolution, if he had said, "I am going to end communism in the USSR.", at the begining of his term he would have been dead by morning! This moderate approach is what ESR is good at. A little finesse, and moderation please.
In case you are wondering where I stand I insist on GPL and LGPL for libraries, for my kernel, shared libraries, common tools, and desktop. I do this to prevent companies from holding me hostage.
I can then in turn use common file types, network standards, and OS malibility to protect myself from unruly apps. I prefer more open licences for apps but if a closed app does a better job, so be it.
Don't try to group me in with a bunch of shortsighted morons who want to do someone else's work with no protection for their efforts, I don't believe in, or approve of your "My way or the high way" approach.
Let people know everyone has a choices. We have enough big brothers.
This is likely the worst news I have heard this year, maybe since I started using Linux a year and a half ago. Not being blind, I can see the damage that the unyielding bad attitude towards variation can do. I try my best to not tolerate intolerance at our LUG meetings and inspire conversation. People who believe that any philosophy other then their own is wrong will only bury us. "Us" being the people who want to share the knowledge that there are many better ways than the status quo, that anyone can choose.
Choose being the key word.
The friendly press are going react negatively, and the negative press are going to rip, Linux, GNU, and open source wide open with this. Many of those people who could benefit from Linux and open source stuff and are yet unaware of it's virtues could will be further alienated.
I hope it is not to late to keep Eric, but if it is to late, perhaps we could learn somthing from this.
That treating people's varying philosophies about things like "what open source is" like they are morally wrong, will only make the rift larger. Fight that kind of ignorance like you are fighting a bloody war, and only then do we stand a chance.
I am running an smp machine at home (dual). When I installed windows NT it was ready to go for smp(multi processor.)
Of course if I didn't run smp, I have to drag that code along anyway. Kinda like always always towing a boat trailer on your car just in case you decide to buy a boat. Easy yes. Effecient... well duh.
People don't have to recompile the kernel, it's their choice. Would you want to read a hour of instructions if you choose to make your car have more pulling capcity, or make it more fuel effcient, or make accelerate faster.
I thought so.
Not to mention an automated kernel config is close to 1.0. Now you can push a button on the dash to optimize. Try that in a pinto^H^H^H^H^H windows.
The auto configure can be found at...
http://ma.us.mirrors.freshmeat.net/appindex/199
...soon to come to a distro near you.
I think it would be good to have access to scoring logs and comments. This would discourage vengeful behavior and quests to devalue peoples opinions with no regard for objectivity.
For the immature and unadult, the only thing worse than people hanging on to their enemies(whether those enimies are personal or in philosophy of ideas) every word, is to be caught being unfair and unbalanced and to be removed from power for it.
The result would be that moderators who want to act unfairly, would likely not act at all.
I knew there was somthing funny going on. I posted this Monday.
I consider an operating system to be a kernel, vital and shared libraries, shared tools, and the desktop(so apps don't have to be rewritten).
I use an open source, forkable without consequence, Operating system so that I will not be held hostage by one company. I believe this raquet style customer hearding to be bad for me and every other person who uses it. As long as I can save to common file types and use my OS to force my apps to behave, then any licence for apps is acceptable.
Don't forget this is about freedom of choice for all not one religion.
Only one fab plant? I can see the headline now.
"AP: AMD only chip making plant mysteriously exploded only two weeks before the release of the K-7. The only clue the FBI has found so far is a scrap of what is believed to be the leather briefcase the bomb was in, bradishing a shiny metalic sticker on it. FBI director Guy Smilely said at the scene, 'The burnt sticker is printed with an insignia, some kind of swirl and two uninteligable words. We ask that anyone information about this symbol come forward.' Baffled authorities are searching for any clues leading to the the swirl gang."
No I don't think the people at Intel are really terrorists. I'm just dissapointed that their number one competetor is so fragile. In fairness I have a dual PII and love it, but you won't catch me dead with a PIII.
Sweeping comments like that don't alienate me from Red Hat... Just the Gartner Group.
Sorry no dice, success dosn't automaticly make someone suck.
I'm doing it right now, and warm reboots work.
95b just happly bops along ignoring half the power availible to it.
I have no idea about 98.
(rustle shuffle)...Damn can't find the motherboard manual, well I've had it for a year and a half now. The mother board is a 66mhz made by Tyan with an AMI bios. It's a dual PII 266.