don't care. They see this as a good thing. I believe it goes along the lines of this:
"Hey, I am doing nothing wrong, and if it helps catch people that are, so much the better."
Well, the problem starts when innocent people are accused of doing something by mistake.
Remember, right now there are (apparently) a lot of people out there that are still scared by Sept 11. So, anything like this will be seen as a good thing. Maybe (and this is a HUGE MAYBE) the government is doing this without the intent to gain power over the average citizen. I seriously doubt it, but it could happen. Either way, the people here that are freaking out over this need to understand one thing: You are a minute majority. Even if everyone on slashdot agreed, how many does that make? 750,000? Peanuts to the government.
The only way to stop this type of legislature is to tell people about it, not bitch on slashdot.
btw, I am totally against this type of behavior, I am disgusted that the government would use this time to gain a lot of ground in their invasion of our privacy.
maybe he didn't...
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actually put his insight into use?
Remember, barely a year ago any schmoe with a half-baked idea and a little business savvy could get VC. Well, looks like he didn't learn from the.con eh?
Basically, this is interesting, but it all boils down to doing what they feel is right for their children. That is ok by me. This DOES NOT mean you should do the same with your children, nor does it mean they are severely jaded by computers or anything else.
It was a personal decision for them. Your results may vary.
This isn't really news, in my opinion. It's a family matter, and unless Slashdot has become news for nerd-families, stuff that might matter if you have kids.
The earth's oceans swelled to 500' today, causing massive destruction and chaos. Angels came down from heaven, the devil apologized, Bill Gates opened the source code for all MS products, and every geek agreed.
I really believed this was something we would never see. This can be filed under the never-thought-I'd-see-the-day archives.
"When Mary gets home from work and goes to her PC to check e-mail, the PC isn't just sitting there. It's working for a biotech company, matching gene sequences to a library of protein molecules. Its DSL connection is busy downloading a block of radio telescope data to be analyzed later. Its disk contains, in addition to Mary's own files, encrypted fragments of thousands of other files. Occasionally one of these fragments is read and transmitted; it's part of a movie that someone is watching in Helsinki. Then Mary moves the mouse, and this activity abruptly stops. Now the PC and its network connection are all hers."
Nope. Cause some l33t h4x0r will have own3d her already.
This is scary as hell. I hope it doesn't get implemented. This is far different from Seti...
Screw the oscars. I don't care what a bunch of people have to say about movies. I don't need their approval for a movie to touch me, make me laugh, angry, etc. I am quite capable of doing that myself. Besides, it's all about the Benjamins anyway. Make a ton of money at the box-office? Your in! Popularity contests is all they are. Ok, little flamebait rant for you this morning...
If you don't like it, don't f-ing read it. If you don't want to read Jon's articles, then go to your users page and deselect him. It isn't hard, and you aren't doing anything to anyone except annoying those of us that might actually have something to say ON TOPIC. Are you forced to read his articles? Is anyone sitting next to you with a gun making you read this?
Another Jon Katz article...*WAAA*
please, just go there and change it, add value as opposed to bitching.
"And many of us have had the sense that we are witnessing a re-definition of what culture is. That's of equal appeal to people like me, drawn to the culture of technology but not the machinery, and technologists, who love technology but want it to embrace culture and artistry."
from Dictionary.com:
culture Pronunciation Key (klchr)
n.
The totality of socially transmitted behavior patterns, arts, beliefs, institutions, and all other products of human work and thought.
These patterns, traits, and products considered as the expression of a particular period, class, community, or population: Edwardian culture; Japanese culture; the culture of poverty.
These patterns, traits, and products considered with respect to a particular category, such as a field, subject, or mode of expression: religious culture in the Middle Ages; musical culture; oral culture.
The predominating attitudes and behavior that characterize the functioning of a group or organization.
Intellectual and artistic activity and the works produced by it.
Development of the intellect through training or education.
Enlightenment resulting from such training or education.
A high degree of taste and refinement formed by aesthetic and intellectual training.
Special training and development: voice culture for singers and actors.
The cultivation of soil; tillage.
The breeding of animals or growing of plants, especially to produce improved stock.
Biology.
The growing of microorganisms, tissue cells, or other living matter in a specially prepared nutrient medium.
Such a growth or colony, as of bacteria.
seems to me that culture's definition still hasn't changed Jon;)
"Based on the Greek word, "haptesthai," meaning touch, haptic technology enables people to feel touch sensations while interacting with a digital display, like a computer screen and a hardware device such as a joystick or mouse."
your boss would listen to you, not the marketing team. Perferably, he or she would be in a position where they could not be bullied by outside forces. What would be really nice would be to be included in those nifty meetings that the managers seem to have so much fun in, so I can raise my little hand and say, excuse me, but what you suggest is not feasible, much less realistic. However, since you seem hell bent on doing this, when I realease this product, feel free to take responsibility for having pushed this project so hard.
ok, sorry, went off a little, but it would be nice to be included in the thought process, so we can add our very important $.02.
I wish you luck, most middle managers I know end up being told, "I don't care if the programming department says its un-realistic, just do it.
1st, you have the launch of several different consoles. This in turn makes people want games to play on them, so they buy titles that maybe they wouldn't normally, if a large group of titles were out there.
2nd, the economy is in the sh!tter, so people tend to stay at home more, and it's easier to justify a $50 video game you can play for a long time as opposed to a dinner out at some fancy place.
3rd, PCs are cheap as hell, fast, and getting cheaper/faster by the day. That gaming market exploded as well I expect.
lastly, There are a lot of really cool games out there. Online games, pc games, console games, it's all good.
that should just about sum up everything in one post.
yeah, the analogy was a little strong, but in this case, people can lose money, as opposed to their life. Now, that wouldn't bother me too much, as I would rather be alive and poor than dead and rich, but for others I can't speak.
"The best UI people on the planet are those working in the car industry.
We need to make it a criminal law to change certain API's. There are potentially
huge impacts. When we produce a new drug, we can't just release it to millions of
people without some sort of testing."
yeah, but how long should the testing cycle be? For example, we hear all the time about drugs being recalled because of illnesses caused by its use. Beta testing is a great way to do this, however, even then you can't know until your program is running on a lot of machines in different environments, with different variables.
So, what can you do? Well, you release the software after doing as much testing as possible, and wait to see the results...then patch, patch, patch..which is the way it's being done now. That's why early adopters know (or should know)what they are getting into, and why most of the companies I have dealt with, (running win2k) waited for SP2 to come out before upgrading.
Or, you could establish some sort of body, like the FDA does, that tests the heck out of software for a while before shipping. Problem with that though, is that by the time it is approved, its obsolete.
but I guess I missed it. What would these things be used for? I mean, in the article it said they would be able to traverse difficult terrain, etc., but we already have robots that can do that.
This is a serious question, What the hell would they be used for? Did someone see that in the article or somewhere else?
Did somebody find...
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an interest in robots or something? This is like the 50th story today on robots. Ok, second, but still.
Quick breakdwn of robot topics lately:
microscopic robots
tiny robots that can move in different ways
robots designed to kill other robots
as well as the 3 or 4 AI articles, and a few others I didn't bother to read.
Maybe....
News for Scientists, Stuff for Robots?
ok, this comment was posted in jest, so don't get your robots in a wad.
from above:
"but it seems in this country that the people who end up working for the government are the ones who couldn't cut it in the private sector, especially in the IT field"
Uhm, how bout those guys that pretty much invented the architecture of the net as we know it today?
There are TONS of highly skilled people working in the government, you just never hear about them. And, believe it or not, when the government gets its hand on a genius IT guru, he or she is VERY WELL compensated, since the government knows they can go else where at any given time.
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Ok,
Now that I have your attention, I would like to point out a fact that a lot of people seem to miss:
Jon is good for slashdot. He makes you think. Yes, a lot of his articles are high on the fluff-meter, but he means well AND, it's his opinion. You are allowed to voice yours, he is allowed to voice his. Many people here despise him, and yet they keep on posting replies to his messages. That's exactly what is wanted here. He gives a view point, you say BS, jump on it, and add your $.02. Then, your opinion is considered, people post to that, and so on. It's called communication, and it rocks. If you really don't like his articles, go to your preferences page and stop seeing them.
One last thing...Jon is human like the rest of us, please keep those posts that call him stupid, an asshole, etc., to a minimum. How would you like it if a bunch of people got together and PUBLICLY posted how much of a moron you are?
The heart of the net can be described as evolution.
The heart of the net is the beat..wait, no, that's rock'n'roll.
Why does everyone feel the need to summarize the net? You can't do it. It's just the big wonderful, horrible, informational, disgusting, collection of people, their thoughts, data, and lives.
Damn, I ask why everyone tries to summarize it, and then that's what I go and do. Shame on me. But then again, don't you Em Emalb me for everything anyway?
Some states have a hands free cell phone policy. I can see a bunch of techno-wannabees out there DRIVING and trying to IM each other. Can you say crash? And not just the blue screen kind...
leet_loser_1: dude, hold up, I just got into an
accident:(
leet_loser_2: bummer:(
One benefit I can see would be if people actually pulled over when they are lost, looking for a place to eat, etc. Other than that, I don't see much.
For you comment on us wanting dead tree books, I vote yes. I like being able to make notes in the margins, highlight, etc., and taking a book places is usually easier than a laptop or pc.
On a side note, ancedotes are good. Most topics are usually pretty dry, so adding in a little humor can make the books more fun.
"I get paid way less than I should because I turn my pager off on weekends. I don't put in any overtime unless it's critical. Yeah, I'm not living the high life, and not going to have much when it comes to retirement funds..."
And why is this fair? This is what I am saying. Why should you be plugged in 24/7 to get a good salary? Basically you are saying that you are forced to sacrifice salary because you want to spend time with your child. I commend you in this, and I wish more people would. However, is it fair that you can't have it both ways? Why not get that good salary AND spend time with your kid? Are corporations blind to this? Seems to me to be that way. And yes, I know that life isn't fair...but this isn't something to be taken lightly. He's taking an admitted pay cut because he wishes to spend time with his family. IMO, shame on your company, and others like it.
Slashdot Mirror
don't care. They see this as a good thing. I believe it goes along the lines of this:
"Hey, I am doing nothing wrong, and if it helps catch people that are, so much the better."
Well, the problem starts when innocent people are accused of doing something by mistake.
Remember, right now there are (apparently) a lot of people out there that are still scared by Sept 11. So, anything like this will be seen as a good thing. Maybe (and this is a HUGE MAYBE) the government is doing this without the intent to gain power over the average citizen. I seriously doubt it, but it could happen. Either way, the people here that are freaking out over this need to understand one thing: You are a minute majority. Even if everyone on slashdot agreed, how many does that make? 750,000? Peanuts to the government.
The only way to stop this type of legislature is to tell people about it, not bitch on slashdot.
btw, I am totally against this type of behavior, I am disgusted that the government would use this time to gain a lot of ground in their invasion of our privacy.
actually put his insight into use?
.con eh?
Remember, barely a year ago any schmoe with a half-baked idea and a little business savvy could get VC. Well, looks like he didn't learn from the
If the shoe fits....
"Microsoft's campaign contributions significantly surpassed those of Enron," said Roeder in his report."
So? What does Microsoft have to do with Enron? Oh, I get it..It's popular to bash Enron right now.
More to the point, what did you expect MS to do? Suddenly start playing fair?
Oh, you got me, here's where I hid the bodies, etc.? Please.
Basically, this is interesting, but it all boils down to doing what they feel is right for their children. That is ok by me. This DOES NOT mean you should do the same with your children, nor does it mean they are severely jaded by computers or anything else.
It was a personal decision for them. Your results may vary.
This isn't really news, in my opinion. It's a family matter, and unless Slashdot has become news for nerd-families, stuff that might matter if you have kids.
The earth's oceans swelled to 500' today, causing massive destruction and chaos. Angels came down from heaven, the devil apologized, Bill Gates opened the source code for all MS products, and every geek agreed.
I really believed this was something we would never see. This can be filed under the never-thought-I'd-see-the-day archives.
Sounds good to me.
"When Mary gets home from work and goes to her PC to check e-mail, the PC isn't just sitting there. It's working for a biotech company, matching gene sequences to a library of protein molecules. Its DSL connection is busy downloading a block of radio telescope data to be analyzed later. Its disk contains, in addition to Mary's own files, encrypted fragments of thousands of other files. Occasionally one of these fragments is read and transmitted; it's part of a movie that someone is watching in Helsinki. Then Mary moves the mouse, and this activity abruptly stops. Now the PC and its network connection are all hers."
Nope. Cause some l33t h4x0r will have own3d her already.
This is scary as hell. I hope it doesn't get implemented. This is far different from Seti...
Screw the oscars. I don't care what a bunch of people have to say about movies. I don't need their approval for a movie to touch me, make me laugh, angry, etc. I am quite capable of doing that myself. Besides, it's all about the Benjamins anyway. Make a ton of money at the box-office? Your in! Popularity contests is all they are. Ok, little flamebait rant for you this morning...
happy hunting!
ok, someone has to say it.
If you don't like it, don't f-ing read it. If you don't want to read Jon's articles, then go to your users page and deselect him. It isn't hard, and you aren't doing anything to anyone except annoying those of us that might actually have something to say ON TOPIC. Are you forced to read his articles? Is anyone sitting next to you with a gun making you read this?
Another Jon Katz article...*WAAA*
please, just go there and change it, add value as opposed to bitching.
"And many of us have had the sense that we are witnessing a re-definition of what culture is. That's of equal appeal to people like me, drawn to the culture of technology but not the machinery, and technologists, who love technology but want it to embrace culture and artistry."
;)
from Dictionary.com:
culture Pronunciation Key (klchr)
n.
The totality of socially transmitted behavior patterns, arts, beliefs, institutions, and all other products of human work and thought.
These patterns, traits, and products considered as the expression of a particular period, class, community, or population: Edwardian culture; Japanese culture; the culture of poverty.
These patterns, traits, and products considered with respect to a particular category, such as a field, subject, or mode of expression: religious culture in the Middle Ages; musical culture; oral culture.
The predominating attitudes and behavior that characterize the functioning of a group or organization.
Intellectual and artistic activity and the works produced by it.
Development of the intellect through training or education.
Enlightenment resulting from such training or education.
A high degree of taste and refinement formed by aesthetic and intellectual training.
Special training and development: voice culture for singers and actors.
The cultivation of soil; tillage.
The breeding of animals or growing of plants, especially to produce improved stock.
Biology.
The growing of microorganisms, tissue cells, or other living matter in a specially prepared nutrient medium.
Such a growth or colony, as of bacteria.
seems to me that culture's definition still hasn't changed Jon
it's a joke...don't laugh.
"Based on the Greek word, "haptesthai," meaning touch, haptic technology enables people to feel touch sensations while interacting with a digital display, like a computer screen and a hardware device such as a joystick or mouse."
kinda like masturbating your computer....
your boss would listen to you, not the marketing team. Perferably, he or she would be in a position where they could not be bullied by outside forces. What would be really nice would be to be included in those nifty meetings that the managers seem to have so much fun in, so I can raise my little hand and say, excuse me, but what you suggest is not feasible, much less realistic. However, since you seem hell bent on doing this, when I realease this product, feel free to take responsibility for having pushed this project so hard.
ok, sorry, went off a little, but it would be nice to be included in the thought process, so we can add our very important $.02.
I wish you luck, most middle managers I know end up being told, "I don't care if the programming department says its un-realistic, just do it.
It's a combination of several factors, imo.
1st, you have the launch of several different consoles. This in turn makes people want games to play on them, so they buy titles that maybe they wouldn't normally, if a large group of titles were out there.
2nd, the economy is in the sh!tter, so people tend to stay at home more, and it's easier to justify a $50 video game you can play for a long time as opposed to a dinner out at some fancy place.
3rd, PCs are cheap as hell, fast, and getting cheaper/faster by the day. That gaming market exploded as well I expect.
lastly, There are a lot of really cool games out there. Online games, pc games, console games, it's all good.
that should just about sum up everything in one post.
yeah, the analogy was a little strong, but in this case, people can lose money, as opposed to their life. Now, that wouldn't bother me too much, as I would rather be alive and poor than dead and rich, but for others I can't speak.
thanks,
From the article:
"The best UI people on the planet are those working in the car industry.
We need to make it a criminal law to change certain API's. There are potentially
huge impacts. When we produce a new drug, we can't just release it to millions of
people without some sort of testing."
yeah, but how long should the testing cycle be? For example, we hear all the time about drugs being recalled because of illnesses caused by its use. Beta testing is a great way to do this, however, even then you can't know until your program is running on a lot of machines in different environments, with different variables.
So, what can you do? Well, you release the software after doing as much testing as possible, and wait to see the results...then patch, patch, patch..which is the way it's being done now. That's why early adopters know (or should know)what they are getting into, and why most of the companies I have dealt with, (running win2k) waited for SP2 to come out before upgrading.
Or, you could establish some sort of body, like the FDA does, that tests the heck out of software for a while before shipping. Problem with that though, is that by the time it is approved, its obsolete.
Other than that, this was a most excellent read.
but I guess I missed it. What would these things be used for? I mean, in the article it said they would be able to traverse difficult terrain, etc., but we already have robots that can do that.
This is a serious question, What the hell would they be used for? Did someone see that in the article or somewhere else?
an interest in robots or something? This is like the 50th story today on robots. Ok, second, but still.
Quick breakdwn of robot topics lately:
microscopic robots
tiny robots that can move in different ways
robots designed to kill other robots
as well as the 3 or 4 AI articles, and a few others I didn't bother to read.
Maybe....
News for Scientists, Stuff for Robots?
ok, this comment was posted in jest, so don't get your robots in a wad.
It's called battle bots. cheezy reference to stupid show=-1 over-rated.
Ok, so they are learning autonomous systems eh?
Great, how bout we let them learn something other than death and destruction?
Johnny-5 must hate hearing this news.=cheezy reference to stupid 80's show=+5 priceless
linking their URL to slashdot. If they can't handle it, then maybe this won't be a good thing :)
from above:
"but it seems in this country that the people who end up working for the government are the ones who couldn't cut it in the private sector, especially in the IT field"
Uhm, how bout those guys that pretty much invented the architecture of the net as we know it today?
There are TONS of highly skilled people working in the government, you just never hear about them. And, believe it or not, when the government gets its hand on a genius IT guru, he or she is VERY WELL compensated, since the government knows they can go else where at any given time.
Ok,
Now that I have your attention, I would like to point out a fact that a lot of people seem to miss:
Jon is good for slashdot. He makes you think. Yes, a lot of his articles are high on the fluff-meter, but he means well AND, it's his opinion. You are allowed to voice yours, he is allowed to voice his. Many people here despise him, and yet they keep on posting replies to his messages. That's exactly what is wanted here. He gives a view point, you say BS, jump on it, and add your $.02. Then, your opinion is considered, people post to that, and so on. It's called communication, and it rocks. If you really don't like his articles, go to your preferences page and stop seeing them.
One last thing...Jon is human like the rest of us, please keep those posts that call him stupid, an asshole, etc., to a minimum. How would you like it if a bunch of people got together and PUBLICLY posted how much of a moron you are?
Let the flames/trolls begin.
The heart of the net can be described as evolution.
The heart of the net is the beat..wait, no, that's rock'n'roll.
Why does everyone feel the need to summarize the net? You can't do it. It's just the big wonderful, horrible, informational, disgusting, collection of people, their thoughts, data, and lives.
Damn, I ask why everyone tries to summarize it, and then that's what I go and do. Shame on me. But then again, don't you Em Emalb me for everything anyway?
Some states have a hands free cell phone policy. I can see a bunch of techno-wannabees out there DRIVING and trying to IM each other. Can you say crash? And not just the blue screen kind...
:(
:(
leet_loser_1: dude, hold up, I just got into an
accident
leet_loser_2: bummer
One benefit I can see would be if people actually pulled over when they are lost, looking for a place to eat, etc. Other than that, I don't see much.
For you comment on us wanting dead tree books, I vote yes. I like being able to make notes in the margins, highlight, etc., and taking a book places is usually easier than a laptop or pc.
On a side note, ancedotes are good. Most topics are usually pretty dry, so adding in a little humor can make the books more fun.
thanks
from the previous poster...
"I get paid way less than I should because I turn my pager off on weekends. I don't put in any overtime unless it's critical. Yeah, I'm not living the high life, and not going to have much when it comes to retirement funds..."
And why is this fair? This is what I am saying. Why should you be plugged in 24/7 to get a good salary? Basically you are saying that you are forced to sacrifice salary because you want to spend time with your child. I commend you in this, and I wish more people would. However, is it fair that you can't have it both ways? Why not get that good salary AND spend time with your kid? Are corporations blind to this? Seems to me to be that way. And yes, I know that life isn't fair...but this isn't something to be taken lightly. He's taking an admitted pay cut because he wishes to spend time with his family. IMO, shame on your company, and others like it.
To publish this and let your site get slash-dotted.