...every piece of software has bugs and issues, regardless of the language you use to describe them...
True, there are bugs and issues which dont' bother me as long they are not security flaws.
And as story of qmail shows you can write a software without security flaws - in its seven years of existence, Qmail has never had a security flaw! This is definition of GREAT SOFTWARE to me.
"Nobody notices a speed improvement when running Gentoo.". False.
I did notice speed improvement - I have installed Gentoo on my old Sony laptop - P III 450 Mhz - had before Mandrake there which was slooow. Good but sloow. Booting, starting programs,etc. So I decied to install Gentoo - have 1 on my workstation already.
In 3 hours I installed Gentoot and my whole system is at least 30% faster - this is what I am noticing.
I did stage 3 installation - so no compiling - in case you'd be unifformed, you can install Gentoo without compiling anything.
I am just so pissed off by the weeenies with statements like that: "You have Gentoo? How is KDE? Oh.. still compiling? Gentoo sux...".
Yeah, true, it takes some time to compile KDE on my notebook, but guess what? After 24 hours the latest version is released, I have fresh and brand new KDE while the weenies still wait till _their_best_distro_in_the_world will release new packages or some dude will produce packages and put them somewhere on the web. No thanks I preffer to know binaries I am running.
"Nobody notices a speed improvement when running Gentoo.". Btw: how do you know what everybody notices? I suggest you think before you post. There should be another button for you available next to Submit and Preview, which says: Think Before Post.
Linus: "So you can run the kernel and create non-GPL'd programs while running it
to your hearts content. You can use it to control a nuclear submarine, and
that's totally outside the scope of the license (but if you do, please
note that the license does not imply any kind of warranty or similar)."
It doesn't matter how it feels to you If it wouldn't matter I wouldn't use it, right? And I can _feel_ it the way that I can see how fast several applications start, to name some: mozilla, nautilus, window managers - they start faster, I can see it therefore I feel it, that's what I meant.
The things you menshion about slackware - as you noticed - they are Gentoo related so they have everything to do with Gentoo. Starting from the point when applications, I don't need, do not start and ending up on the kernel patches. Btw: my kernel works very well, and I didn't notice any crushes at all since I use it.
Slackware has just different approach - security first, but hey this is my desktop machine it's not online all the time, no other users here, I don't have to be paranoid about security and stability, it could crush from time to time, I don't care so I do use Gentoo kernel patches, which as I said, didn't cause me any troubles yet.
Its not "from scratch".. Yes, it is in terms you compile stuff from the begining including gcc and such... optimized for you machine...
The benefit of LFS is that... ou gain a deeper understanding of how the system works
You're right but it also depends what you are expecting, you learn - that for sure, but in the end you have optimized, smaller (just the stuff you really need) and faster system.
I am not whining about the test just wondering, as I wrote already why mandrake is faster even if it was compiled for i586 but the test ran on i686??? Just wanted to point out that guys doing the test for sure did someting wrong.
And don't worry about my installation and time I spend on it - one test will not make me change the distro dude!
First of all, I switched from Slack (tried Debian and SuSe before) to Gentoo and I did noticed the difference in speed. In real life, Gentoo is faster!
Second, don't you think there is something wrong with this test? Did I only noticed that or what? Please somebody explain me how is it possible that Mandrake won almost all of the tests? Mandrake was compiled for i586, and it was runing on i686 so the logical conlclusion would be to compile everything as i586 but to run it on i686..? Something definitly wrong here...
I have fast machine (amd 1800+) and I don't care about compiling time, besides it goes fast, so why bother? Why do you complain that it takes so looong to compile stuff? Ofkoz if you have old machine - but you don't have to - you can always get binaries.. so what's the deal??
This test is wrong and prooves nothing - I run Gentoo and I can see it's faster. It just requires little time to read about how to tweak it and than just to compile what you need.
You could say Gentoo is like LFS but with very good packaging system (this is what LFS lacks) and it's much more easy to manage.
Definitly! Slackware was my first distro! When I started 2 years ago - I was a newbie and had no idea about Linux at all, but because of Slackware's simplicity I was able to learn it very fast. Just read a little - Slackware's Book and such...
Later I tried out some other: debian, mandrake, redhat, SuSe.. but it's just crap (sorry all fans, but that's my opinion), overloaded, bloated, slow, unstable and insecure (out of the box)... so I was getting back to Slackware with no regret.
Slack has powerful and simple to use (and understand) packaging system. And it never breaks up if _you_ don't screw something up. I just love it!
Slackware is simple, secure and stable. Do you need more?
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25 seconds? Kinda too short to jerk off I guess... but on the other hand you can try for 25 times.
;)
But seriously I wonder if any of the astronauts had have sex in zero g? If so, was g point easier to find?
oki new design sux, can we have now the older one please?
this movie sucked big time!
...every piece of software has bugs and issues, regardless of the language you use to describe them...
True, there are bugs and issues which dont' bother me as long they are not security flaws.
And as story of qmail shows you can write a software without security flaws - in its seven years of existence, Qmail has never had a security flaw!
This is definition of GREAT SOFTWARE to me.
"Nobody notices a speed improvement when running Gentoo.". False.
I did notice speed improvement - I have installed Gentoo on my old Sony laptop - P III 450 Mhz - had before Mandrake there which was slooow. Good but sloow. Booting, starting programs,etc. So I decied to install Gentoo - have 1 on my workstation already.
In 3 hours I installed Gentoot and my whole system is at least 30% faster - this is what I am noticing.
I did stage 3 installation - so no compiling - in case you'd be unifformed, you can install Gentoo without compiling anything.
I am just so pissed off by the weeenies with statements like that: "You have Gentoo? How is KDE? Oh.. still compiling? Gentoo sux...".
Yeah, true, it takes some time to compile KDE on my notebook, but guess what? After 24 hours the latest version is released, I have fresh and brand new KDE while the weenies still wait till _their_best_distro_in_the_world will release new packages or some dude will produce packages and put them somewhere on the web.
No thanks I preffer to know binaries I am running.
"Nobody notices a speed improvement when running Gentoo.". Btw: how do you know what everybody notices? I suggest you think before you post. There should be another button for you available next to Submit and Preview, which says: Think Before Post.
just wondering... does the wooden wheel have force feedback support?
Linus: "So you can run the kernel and create non-GPL'd programs while running it to your hearts content. You can use it to control a nuclear submarine, and that's totally outside the scope of the license (but if you do, please note that the license does not imply any kind of warranty or similar)."
One more thing. Just measured that.
Gentoo boots in 25 seconds (to the shell, and I do start some stuff, sshd, postifx, saslauth, etc).
6 seconds later I have X running with Fluxbox (with gdm & autologin) + bunch of dockapps.
So it's like 31 seconds all toghether. This is very good result as for the desktop system. Bit that! Than we can talk.
It doesn't matter how it feels to you
... ou gain a deeper understanding of how the system works
If it wouldn't matter I wouldn't use it, right? And I can _feel_ it the way that I can see how fast several applications start, to name some: mozilla, nautilus, window managers - they start faster, I can see it therefore I feel it, that's what I meant.
The things you menshion about slackware - as you noticed - they are Gentoo related so they have everything to do with Gentoo. Starting from the point when applications, I don't need, do not start and ending up on the kernel patches. Btw: my kernel works very well, and I didn't notice any crushes at all since I use it.
Slackware has just different approach - security first, but hey this is my desktop machine it's not online all the time, no other users here, I don't have to be paranoid about security and stability, it could crush from time to time, I don't care so I do use Gentoo kernel patches, which as I said, didn't cause me any troubles yet.
Its not "from scratch"..
Yes, it is in terms you compile stuff from the begining including gcc and such... optimized for you machine...
The benefit of LFS is that
You're right but it also depends what you are expecting, you learn - that for sure, but in the end you have optimized, smaller (just the stuff you really need) and faster system.
I am not whining about the test just wondering, as I wrote already why mandrake is faster even if it was compiled for i586 but the test ran on i686???
Just wanted to point out that guys doing the test for sure did someting wrong.
And don't worry about my installation and time I spend on it - one test will not make me change the distro dude!
First of all, I switched from Slack (tried Debian and SuSe before) to Gentoo and I did noticed the difference in speed. In real life, Gentoo is faster!
Second, don't you think there is something wrong with this test? Did I only noticed that or what? Please somebody explain me how is it possible that Mandrake won almost all of the tests?
Mandrake was compiled for i586, and it was runing on i686 so the logical conlclusion would be to compile everything as i586 but to run it on i686..? Something definitly wrong here...
I have fast machine (amd 1800+) and I don't care about compiling time, besides it goes fast, so why bother?
Why do you complain that it takes so looong to compile stuff? Ofkoz if you have old machine - but you don't have to - you can always get binaries.. so what's the deal??
This test is wrong and prooves nothing - I run Gentoo and I can see it's faster.
It just requires little time to read about how to tweak it and than just to compile what you need.
You could say Gentoo is like LFS but with very good packaging system (this is what LFS lacks) and it's much more easy to manage.
Definitly! Slackware was my first distro! When I started 2 years ago - I was a newbie and had no idea about Linux at all, but because of Slackware's simplicity I was able to learn it very fast. Just read a little - Slackware's Book and such...
Later I tried out some other: debian, mandrake, redhat, SuSe.. but it's just crap (sorry all fans, but that's my opinion), overloaded, bloated, slow, unstable and insecure (out of the box)... so I was getting back to Slackware with no regret.
Slack has powerful and simple to use (and understand) packaging system. And it never breaks up if _you_ don't screw something up. I just love it!
Slackware is simple, secure and stable. Do you need more?
BTW: Thank you Patrick for your hard work!